Fast and Furious II
Anyone following the ATF gun scandal?
The ATF, at the direction of the Justice Department and numerous high ranking officials, allowed known gun runners to purchase something like 2,000 weapons in violation of existing safeguards to prevent such actions, and then allowed these weapons to disappear into Mexico where they have been used in countless murders, executions and drug wars. The unstated purpose was likely to provide the Obama administration with a pretext for claiming US gun laws were fueling the drug wars south of the border. The main stream media abetted this by claiming some obscene percentage of guns traced came from US gun shops. This from a very narrow sampling of tens of thousands of thousands of seized guns. The media also ignored the fact that many South and Central American armies were more than willing to supply these weapons at a fraction of the cost and with none of the American paperwork as fully automatic weapons are among the most tightly regulated in the US.
The operation came to a screeching halt when at least two of the illegally obtained weapons were used to kill a US Border Agent during a firefight and it came to light that gun shop owners had reported the illegal purchases to authorities, but the ATF ordered agents to let the guns go into Mexico despite the pleas of ATF whistler blowers. There are Congressional hearings and all sorts of people are on the hotseat.
Now it comes to light that another 1,000 weapons were sold to the MS-13 gang in Honduras:
The ATF, at the direction of the Justice Department and numerous high ranking officials, allowed known gun runners to purchase something like 2,000 weapons in violation of existing safeguards to prevent such actions, and then allowed these weapons to disappear into Mexico where they have been used in countless murders, executions and drug wars. The unstated purpose was likely to provide the Obama administration with a pretext for claiming US gun laws were fueling the drug wars south of the border. The main stream media abetted this by claiming some obscene percentage of guns traced came from US gun shops. This from a very narrow sampling of tens of thousands of thousands of seized guns. The media also ignored the fact that many South and Central American armies were more than willing to supply these weapons at a fraction of the cost and with none of the American paperwork as fully automatic weapons are among the most tightly regulated in the US.
The operation came to a screeching halt when at least two of the illegally obtained weapons were used to kill a US Border Agent during a firefight and it came to light that gun shop owners had reported the illegal purchases to authorities, but the ATF ordered agents to let the guns go into Mexico despite the pleas of ATF whistler blowers. There are Congressional hearings and all sorts of people are on the hotseat.
Now it comes to light that another 1,000 weapons were sold to the MS-13 gang in Honduras:
There are now reports that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious. 1,000 of those guns were sold to MS13 buyers.
Congress gave the ATF $29 million in 2009 including $10 million in stimulus money for "project gunrunner," the predecessor of "fast and furious." A year later it got $37 million more to expand gunrunner.
So the people arming the gangs in the drug wars in Mexico and MS-13 in Honduras aren't US gun shops after all - it's the Obama administration along with corrupt third world dictatorships. Anyone else wondering how many of these weapons were subsequently re-smuggled into the US to be used against gangs and police here?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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I think obama is going down for this, impeachment goodbye.
ATF to require gun buyer information on border
http://news.yahoo.com/atf-require-gun-buyer-information-border-213420855.html
This scandal has not been reported by MSM.
The following websites have , " The Hill ", Hot Air " &" Michelle Macklin ", also Washington Times & Washington Post, have ever since Holders DOJ got caught w/ their pants down, approximately a year ago.
Holder refuses to cooperate w/ investigating committees.
Even the non- paranoids believe this is attempt by Obama administration & Democratics to further erode 2nd Amendment rights.
The real reason is control.
ATF to require gun buyer information on border
http://news.yahoo.com/atf-require-gun-buyer-information-border-213420855.html
Every time these planted stories about "Lax US gun laws arming Mexican gangs" come up, they've been accompanied by photos of M-203 rifles, M-79 grenade launchers, and plenty of shiny new 40mm explosive shells for them -- along with hand grenades, .223 SAWs with the big plastic magazine on the side, etc.
Every time I see this bullshit, I point out that this is purely military hardware, unavailable at Ed's El Paso Gun Corral -- but plenty available at the Mexican Army armories from which much is probably stolen, plenty available in other gunrunning circles.
Dope money talks real loud.
"The U.S. gun stores are hurting the poor Mexicans." BS. It's Obama and ATF and the vicious gangs like Zetas and MS whom their governments do not have the balls to simply shoot on sight and dump into pits, or kick out into the ocean from night helicopter flights...
It is past time. It's them or us.
There ain't nothing like creating your own crisis that you can use later to pass laws that make you look like a hero now is there?
Aren't they (the Libs) still blaming this on the NRA? Seems strange to me that the Elmer Fudd types are causing all this trouble. Or, maybe they aren't.
If anyone doesn't think that they are actively trying to destroy the United States, think again. ObaMAO the communist hates the fact the the US is a superpower and wants us knocked down off of our "high horse."
These communist democrats are destroying this country.
I've noticed the Fast and Furious a while ago and whenever flash mob crimes are mentioned I post mentioning the ATF's crimes. Last time I checked CNN they didn't go into details, so I doubt most CNN readers know any details. I may check again and see what they're reporting but CNN also slants left and hides or distorts reality.
This is sickening, and if the facts on this are remotely true, congress needs to start impeachment proceedings against Obama.
They do all this so they can trace them back to US and then have a reason to disarm us and get rid of the 2nd amendment. This video says a lot. After all Barry acts like a dictator so it's not surprising...
When "fast and furious" was conceived, does anyone remember who was the White House chief of staff? Oh, yeah. It was our new mayor (Rahm "never let a good crisis go to waste" Emannuel). But it would only be idle speculation to think that he may have had a hand in putting the program in place . . .
One question, why?!????
And since it's the administration nothing will be done.
SCC says: "Anyone else wondering how many of these weapons were subsequently re-smuggled into the US to be used against gangs and police here?"
Well, it's our fault for not embracing "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", for only THEN will we be able to actually secure our Borders.
Liberalism IS a mental disorder.
And this morning Holder and Co announce new powers given to ATF.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/170823-doj-gives-new-tools-to-atf-to-fight-guns
This should be investigated and every last person responsible should be indicted and prosecuted no matter how high the investigation goes. Unlike the Blago investigation that was stopped before Rahmbo and Obama would most likely have been implicated.
And the best part is that this program was funded in part by that stimulus money that was supposed to get people back to work (remember shovel ready jobs?). It was recently reported on Foxnews. The head of the ATF was gonna be Obamas fall guy. He instead has been testifying on his own in private sessions in congress. Uh oh Obama
I'm glad you finally got on this SCC. And to think a fair portion of the country watched the news last year that was telling the sheep that it is American's love of guns and loose laws that are filling the cartels with guns.
Yeah, cause billion dollar crime outfits love expensive neutered semi autos from US Gun Stores. As if South AMerica and China can't provide full auto at a fraction of the cost.
This should be pounded everyday by the networks and the papers, makes Watergate look like some kids taking off with bubblegum.
Sometimes I don't know who is worse, the evil scumbags in DC taking our rights or the fucking Media who provide their cover.
BATFE should be disbanded.
This is at best, complete and total incompetence on the part of our government. At worst, this is our governments attempt to take away our 2nd amendment rights by fomenting violence in neighboring countries, and then blaming our laws for their deaths.
And come election time all we are going to hear about this from the media is the sound of crickets because the chosen one can do no wrong. Barry O is the worst president to date and yet nobody is allowed to say it.
Dear SCC,
Don't let your disgust for Obama cloud your judgment. I'm not happy with Obama, the Dem's or the Repbub's either. However, I just happen to know one of the ATF agents and believe me Obama had little to nothing to do with it. All the chips were in place way before Obama got in. Blame the top "Good Ole Boys" in the ATF and the Justice department. It was their brain fart.
A.T.F. will wear the jacket but it was sanctioned by another "alphabet" agency to find how deep the drug web goes.
What a tangled web we weave... I guess "Fast & Furious" and now "Castaway" are what Obama meant when he told Sarah Brady he was working "under the radar" on changing gun laws... Why should OUR government have to work "under the radar" to change any laws, or to do anything for that matter? Can you say "AGENDA"???
The purpose of the Op was to blame US gun owners and pass more stringent gun laws in the US. Damn those commies!
This is some serious wrong shit. The fucking mainstream media, gives it minimal time. This is shit that should result in hard prison time for a lot of federal govt. policy makers.
Allowing guns to fall into known extremely violent murderers, then misstating facts to say most of their weapons come from the U.S. TREASONOUS.
barry and his minions will go down as the worst president and administration in U.S. History,not because he is 1/2 black but because he has no clue how to be president!
i love that a n.m. department disbanded after this and the chief of police and village mayor where involved......its like they have a lil bit of chgo in em
this is what you get when '' we hate the man'' crowd is in the whitehouse. someone needs to explain for this shit .
Don't get too excited. Nothing will come of this. When the creeps in Washington create these scams they also have a plan to clean up their trail.
(OT) talked to an electrician today about getting a generator installed, the price? $3,500 for a genrac type whole house that is tied into main power box,it will switch on when power is out and immediately go off when power comes back on,and it runs on natural gas virtually no maintenance.
The feds are really stupid. They are running the asylum, aka, the White House, like a bunch of "honor roll" ghetto dudes. We had our very own fed...J Fled, run our own asylum at 35th st., look what he created there.
Eric Holder and Barry need to face charges for this mess.
this, too , will be deep-sixed by racist Holder per orders by the uber -libtard Obama.
Nobody died in the Watergate scandal.
This is way worse, and barry's hands are all over this.
RIP Agent Terry
check out crimefile.com Obummer is doing everything possible to cover up this outrage!
So the plan was to provide murder weapons to homicidal psychotics and see what happens???
I don't know who is the bigger idiot: the AH that came up with the idea or the moron that signed off on it.
If this had happened under the Bush Administration, there would be calls for impeachment.
Seeing as ATF agents AND gun dealers were calling ATF to protest this means that this was a backdoor plan to institute some sort of "National Emergency" or Martial Law and suspend, not just the 2nd Amendment, but all the Bill of Rights and the entire Constitution.
Paranoia: A heightened state of awareness every freedom loving American should be in right now.
What coverage the mainstream media is giving this says that this went as high as the Justice Department.
BS.
It went all the way to the White House. And Rahm was there when it happened, so he knows something about it.
Wasn't it around the same time this was going on Holder's DOJ was suing AZ for trying to control its' Borders?
Who approved the funding?
I called one of the AZ Gun stores where these purchases were going on referenced in Congressman & Grassley's Congressional Report. I asked how people could purchase a gun without the background check & waiting period, given my experience purchashing a few guns living in PA & IL.
I was told in AZ there is a 24hr. waiting period & an instantaneous FBI background check on for all sales.
So this recent thing from Holder is complete Barabra Striesand:
And this morning Holder and Co announce new powers given to ATF.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/170823-doj-gives-new-tools-to-atf-to-fight-guns
7/12/2011 07:59:00 AM
Given gun purchasing law in AZ at the time of Fast an Furious, the government - FBI - knew who bought what and how often somebody/s bought a gun.
Gist: There are ample gun laws already in place.
Obama and his crew are intentionally creating chaos in multiple spheres of influence to weaken the USA in perfect accordance with the Weather Underground methods of the 1960's
Congress better grow a pair fast.
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
P.S.
In copper vernacular, you got to be soft if you don't think Holder, Hillary and Obama didn't know about the straw purchases of guns originating in the USA were illegally going in to a FOREIGN country.
Think - Funding, Domestic and International Law.
Buck Naked
cleanupatf.org
The SCC of the ATF
http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/07/florida-congressman-questions-new-operation-castaway-gun-running-scandal/
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