Body Cameras?
- Before hitting the streets, Oakland police officer Huy Nuygen's routine usually goes something like this:
Gun ready? Check. Bulletproof vest strapped? Check.
Body camera secured? Check.
Wait, body camera?
This isn't like the "bluetooth-type" cameras we wrote about years ago. This is a camera about the size of a current microphone package actually attached to your vest that films everything when activated. And how are they selling it to coppers in Oakland? It's all for your safety!
- Whether attached to shirt lapels or small headsets, the cameras are intended to provide more transparency and security to officers on the street and to reduce the number of misconduct complaints and potential lawsuits.
"First and foremost, it protects the officers, it protects the citizens and it can help with an investigation and it shows what happened," said Steve Tidwell, executive director of the FBI National Academy Associates in Quantico, Va. "It can level the playing field, instead of getting just one or two versions. It's all there in living color, so to speak."
In Oakland, where the department is still under federal supervision because of a case in which four officers were caught planting drugs on suspects a decade ago, the cameras are like another set of eyes, said Capt. Ed Tracey.
Well, if a feeb is recommending it, what could possibly go wrong? And if a member of management adds his two cents worth, well golly, this must be flawless!
Once again, it falls to the sane who walk among the thin blue line to point out that these provide exactly the same amount of "protection" to officers as our Blue Light Cameras offer to the citizenry - that is to say, "none." This device is a witness that might provide assistance in the event of a bad beef in Oakland, but we can still count on one hand exactly how many prosecutions have been brought against bad beefers who have lied on sworn affidavits against CPD members.
Once again, it falls to the sane who walk among the thin blue line to point out that these provide exactly the same amount of "protection" to officers as our Blue Light Cameras offer to the citizenry - that is to say, "none." This device is a witness that might provide assistance in the event of a bad beef in Oakland, but we can still count on one hand exactly how many prosecutions have been brought against bad beefers who have lied on sworn affidavits against CPD members.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
86 Comments:
I will never agree to wear one of these cameras,I wonder if the bosses in Oakland wear them. Even if they are in the office they should wear one. Bosses always second guessing officers from behind a desk, do they wear a uniform and carry a gun? Then they should hit the streets once aweek wearing the camera and answering calls, see how they like it.
No shit, lets see the FBI wear them if they are such great inventions. They will spend a million dollars to try and catch a cop stealing $100, and do nothing to a lying bastard making a false allegation. Kiss my ass, if I want one of those, I'll buy it myself
I have no problem with cameras! It would have saved me from to bullshit lawsuits! As long as you are not that person doing the wrong things............ Then what do u have to worry about?
Stick one of these little cameras up McGruff"s ass and we can get the latest scoop.
I'll accidentally leave it on while taking a dump.
Guess what's going down in Mac's old town. Newark?
Judge Napolitano: Newark Law Would Require Pizzerias To Hire Armed Guards
[...]
A city councilman is now proposing a law that would require certain small restaurants to have “armed guards” standing over the places after 9 PM.
more >> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/judge-napolitano-newark-law-would-require-pizzerias-to-hire-armed-guards/
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There you go.
The so-called Chicago entertainment district wants a special police force?
Have at it and create your own with your money. Don't push YOUR problems on the middle class trying to keep their heads above water with endless city and state taxes and fees.
The pizza delivery drivers should be armed too...and put a light bar on the car...ya know? Mercenaries.
Think about it.
better believe those are coming and the lucky ones will be the beat cars
Like the in car camera's. You as a P.O. can't download and bring the video with you to court. An asa or public defender can order it but the lowly P.O. has no right to download it and bring it to court. The offender lies on the stand and it's your word against his. Maybe if it is a big case the asa will order the video but good luck with that. Proof that some dirtbag defendant or his piece of shit so called witness commited perjury... well the asa's are too understaffed to get the video proof and charge appropriatly. Now if you as an officer don't recall everything months or years later you can bet your ass the pd will order the video to impeach your ass shove it down your throat. The department, city, and fop could care less if there is video to help you.
I'll say this. I'm moderately proactive, a little under 8 years on, if this happens to us I won't do a fucking thing. I missed the last D test by several months and therefore have zero hope of advancing before I hit ten years. If ever. If I worked at taco bell as a moderately proficient cashier for this long, I am certain they would have at least promoted me to assistant manager by now.
since nowadays police officers are labeled as a bunch of liars this may be a useful tool---- on the other hand, ipra and iad have not been very aggressive in prosecuting cases in which the video has proven that the complainant lied about officer misconduct---
One hand.....I have not heard of even one successful case prosecuted.
Good luck getting ahold of the video to sue some asshole for defamation, liable, or false police report.
That will be the end of ANY and ALL things resembling aggressive police work. I know im crazy to say this even now, but im still out here working and doing my thing. If that comes to Chicago, im done.
-signed, a gang guy who would bid to 012 and drive in circles all day.
"If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"....
How many times have LEO's EVERYWHERE said that to someone? Interesting, all this "hell no, we won't go" now that the shoe is on the other foot.
Don't waste my time with this "cops don't lie" shit. Other than my personal experience of same, admittedly limited to one incident) I work with a LOT of cops here in Iraq, and you might be surprised at how many of them will admit that cops lie all the time, a few will even admit to having done it themselves. There is a sense of leveling the playing field against perps, or just saying what's necessary to be said to get things done. No different than any other human being.
But please don't tell me cops don't lie. Most people do when the penalty for telling the truth gets too heavy. A lot of cops like to think they're different, and they are, but not so much in that regard. On top of that, all it takes is a few (and everyone here knows CPD has them) and everyone else has to live with the consequences. That's just the unfortunate nature of the beast.
A reputation is one of the easiest things to lose, and almost impossible to regain. One "Oh shit" makes every "attaboy" you ever got disappear like a fart in a windstorm.
One of the reasons that very little in Shitcago/Crook County is open and transparent is that no one really wants it that way......
Wanna freak out liberal America?
Wear one and download it to YouTube every day so the Democrats can see what a hellhole THEY have created with their welfare state!
The camera does not see everything and will always miss the little clues that the copper easily picks up on that aggressive action is necessary, clenching of fists, tensing of muscle, etc., because the camera will be bouncing around at the slightest movement of the PO and will not catch the entire scene as it is too close to the soon-in-the-future offender. People might hear the talk but will say talking is not actionable to go hands-on and fight with someone. Sort of like Dick Tracy always taking the first round fired at him before fighting the bad guy.
I doubt this will help more than 2 coppers a year but will go against many. Look at the BART subway shooting video. The PO obviously meant to taser the guy but used his gun accidentally as it was next to the taser and that PO got years in prison. That PO was obviously shocked that he had shot the guy and not stunned him as a result of poor training and poor policy by the department yet he has years in prison to serve now. That camera was no help and it was a cell away from the action that captured everything. No thanks.
Actually, Chicago is an anomaly with cameras. They are supposed to be used to aid in an investigation if an officer is attacked during a traffic stop. Not in Chicago, though.
The scum-bag defense bar turned the tables on us here and convinced the public that the cameras are a check on excessive force and a way to find out "what really happened on the street."
Blago pushed for cameras when Rev Meeks was stopped in 005 a few years back.
2 years ago, 4 Oakland POs were gunned down after a street stop; if the camera aids in nailing a perp who shoots a PO...I have no problem with it.
I think it's a great idea!
However we should also start with every FBI Agent, Senator and Congressman first.
Why us the city wasting money on in car cameras that do not do shit. Can't get the downloaded info to court. They are one dimentional. You can't see what the human eyes see. Worthless technology. Only good for jamming coppers.
It seems like a good idea overall, but getting the average street cop to believe that is going to be tough.
It certainly will affect how cops act and react. Some of that may be good, some of it not. Probably in the end won't make any real difference. Might make a few cases and break a few others.
Technology does move forward. The criminals will learn.
For the most part it ought to put a stop to the videos that are taken from a far being the only video of an incident. The video from the individual cops perspective is going to be more meaningful than blurry cell phone video taken from 50 yards away.
It will put a few bad actors away, but that is not the worst thing. If they are so stupid as to do shit on video that gets them jammed up, do they really need to be cops in the first place?
surgically install this crap in the foreheads and coccyges of all elected politicians, with video and audio data streams sent directly to SCC.
now this would be one helluva crystal ball unit.
OT fire in 12
-signed, a gang guy who would bid to 012 and drive in circles all day.
7/11/2011 03:53:00 AM
figure eights are better, less vertigo.
I don't see what the problem is.
-Signed,
Living on Clout Nine.
If these devices come to the CPD be careful not to accidently drop it into a glass of salt water after hitting the street.
Yeah right; it's for our safety! Not. And did everybody forget that we work in Chicago and our criminal courts are in Crook County. They'll throw just as many cases out, findings a no probable cause or not guiltys and give super duper probation for your case on tape or not. And I guess police discretion is a thing of the past then too if I wear a camera. no more breaks, no matter how petty the crime. everybody goes to jail. that will go over really well with everybody, i'm sure.
All this camera does is discourage any Officer from engaging...period.
Let's review the number of arrests, citations and contact cards for 3 months and compare the activity to the same time before cameras were mounted on the Officer and then make a judgement call on how these cameras fit in with the duties of a Police Officer.
I beleive it will show a sharp decline in all three categories.
There's a show on cable called "Cops, P.O.V" It's like cops but the officer has a camera over his ear (bluetooth). One area was in some county in the south. The other was in Cincinatti. Very good pictures. Change and technology will always come, like it or not.
I am sure the citizens are wondering why Officers are so against these cameras. It is simple: they are only used against us and do not help in the prosecution of our arrests.
Now, we don't object to discipline if one of ours is caught doing something wrong. We are Police Officers after all. Yep, the Media has told you otherwise, but we don't want the bad eggs in our ranks. It makes us all look bad.
It is a felony to hit a Police Officer, and it should be. If they are crazy enough to wack one of us, they need jail time away from you. The reality is, nobody gets charged with a felony, if at all.
If some mope got clobbered in the past, it was because we knew that's all he was going to get. Prosecute the bad guys who do wrong to us, and we'll be glad to wear the cameras.
since nowadays police officers are labeled as a bunch of liars this may be a useful tool---- on the other hand, ipra and iad have not been very aggressive in prosecuting cases in which the video has proven that the complainant lied about officer misconduct---
7/11/2011 03:23:00 AM
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Such a device would be very useful in this case, in which an investigation is still pending: http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/14652784/article-Inventory-does-not-list-gun-in-slain-man-s-car?instance=secondary_story_left_column
OT chicago will change 50 ward boundries on aug 1 , wasn't rahm going to reduce number of alderman to 25 , another campaign promise broken , anyone see a pattern here
lies lies lies , daley keeps body guards while young bblack and hispanics are murdered
they should have a female LT in 014 on the 3rd watch wear one then maybe IAD can punish the right person.
"Still under investigation after cops caught planting drugs on a suspect TEN YERS AGO"?
Since when does a city totally, and seemingly forever, lose control of its police department? Since when are the FEDS supposed to be in the business of running local police departments?
This is crazy. And downright unAmerican - remember that thing about the feds being a government of limited powers?
I'll say this. I'm moderately proactive, a little under 8 years on, if this happens to us I won't do a fucking thing. I missed the last D test by several months and therefore have zero hope of advancing before I hit ten years.
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Bad news for ya kid, without a phonecall you have zero hope for any advancing. You'll see. Welcome to the rest of your career. Might want to explore other career options before it's too late, unless you don't mind doing what your doing without the certainty of a pension
As one of the lawyers who defends you guys, let me say this about that: a video would be a great thing to have in our cases. It's not easy to bring alive how bad the behavior of arrestees is in a nice quiet courtroom where the asshat plaintiff is sitting there all cleaned up and looking as respectful as he's ever looked in his entire life. A video would put the lie to that charade right away. And if you can bring alive what a liar the plaintiff is about his own behavior, you win.
Embrace the technology, Luke.
(And oh, yes, the lowly copper can bring the video in. The prosecution is always going to want it if it helps their case.)
Sure...it'll help the officer...until it gets knocked loose or damaged in a fight when the officer needs it the most to protect himself.
Yeah, right...technology strikes again!
Will the Watch Commanders wear them so we can see how many times they win at Solitaire?
If I worked at taco bell as a moderately proficient cashier for this long, I am certain they would have at least promoted me to assistant manager by now.
7/11/2011 02:18:00 AM
Your time will come, Obi-Wan. If you're lucky, by election time next year the economy will have collapsed and you'll be applying for work at Taco Bell.
What Do You Think It would Find If a Body cam Was Strategically Placed sumwhere On/In/Up The Ballerino?
OLD RETIRED COPPER SAYS:
Anyone who would take the job of police officer nowadays is truly out of their fuckin mind.
Anonymous said...
That will be the end of ANY and ALL things resembling aggressive police work. I know im crazy to say this even now, but im still out here working and doing my thing. If that comes to Chicago, im done.
-signed, a gang guy who would bid to 012 and drive in circles all day.
7/11/2011 03:53:00 AM
With OR without cameras, you are a damn fool for doing ANY aggressive policework any more. Just look at our leadership. Fat, bloated, arrogant, cowardly, and incompetent. Just like our current Government. Exempt salaries should all be cut 20% , along with Alderclowns and City Managers, and the savings used to hire Police . But then the big bossrs woulden't have their Pay-to-Play money to drop to the Mayor and Democommie Party Regime, to keep their money-funnel jobs.
Sorry just a civilian making a comment here. You are probably right to be skeptical - it will be used against you. But, I wonder if the same attitude was used when Highway Patrol cams were introduced. Apart from providing us with a full season's worth of drunk drivers gamely wobbling thru sobriety tests - they seem to have provided a few tapes that saved or contributed to officers being exonerated of charges. I am thinking of a few "sexual assault" charges that were thrown out due to video-cam evidence. Anyways, I am sure the video will somehow "not be working properly" whenever someone gets beat-up for no good reason.
I'm on camera where I work, almost everyone is. I don't see the big deal. If the majority of officers do nothing wrong the video will protect you from frivilous complaints and provide evidence for trial.
Anonymous said...
I'll say this. I'm moderately proactive, a little under 8 years on, if this happens to us I won't do a fucking thing. I missed the last D test by several months and therefore have zero hope of advancing before I hit ten years. If ever. If I worked at taco bell as a moderately proficient cashier for this long, I am certain they would have at least promoted me to assistant manager by now.
7/11/2011 02:18:00 AM
Always put it on paper, (TO-FROM, etc). If needed for proof of your police actions taken for proof of your proper conduct. Then if camera video is refused, you have your copy of your To-From as proof you at least tried, and someone above you did not comply with your request.
If FOP weren't such asleep at the Wheel dimwits, they would have told you to do this already, but are probably too busy out golfing and eating hot dogs and drinking beer onyour dues dollars. Remember, CYA at ALL times, ALWAYS, on this job. Don' be the next Cozzi.
Boy, they must not want them to do ANYTHING
nonymous said... I have no problem with cameras! It would have saved me from to bullshit lawsuits! As long as you are not that person doing the wrong things............ Then what do u have to worry about? 7/11/2011 12:30:00 AM
Ok "boss"
i wish daley would of wore one,that thief...why does he receive anything from the city.
They have been doing this in the UK for years. You pull up tell them they're being recorded, etc. Gives a clear picture of what is going on and being said. Not that I'm for it but we're being recorded by the rats anyway.
ATTN POWERS THAT BE:
The implementation of this will advance social chaos. So if that's the outcome you wish to produce for whatever reason, full speed ahead.
Who cares? The supreme court decision of no searces of cars subsequent to arrest furthers Miranda from decades earlier. The snowball is continuing to pick up steam, and we are headed for destruction.
I am a worker. Period. Plain and simple. You can call me stupid or naive or whatever else you want to call me. But I am the working police. The day when we are required to put on a camera is coming. I have no problem with it because I do everything by the book. I sleep well at night.
great idea for cops who want to lose their house and freedom to those ground feeder lawyers!!no way!!AGAIN CATER TO THE THUGS THAT ARE RUINING OUR CITY!
How about some body cameras for the alderman WITH microphones too. Wearing them 24/7 will be mandatory so we can protect them for their own safety. We can include a "I've fallen and I can't get up" like panic button for some of the senior members of the city council and that will enable a police response within minutes!
Most of all it will save the taxpayers money as we now can put the remaining security specialist money to better use.
Big brother is watching you baby. Film at 10:00 as they say.
gee i wonder who's nephew is gonna get the body camera contract ?????
just askin ?
Criminals and politicians first as a pilot program for 20 years to see how it works out!
I have no problem with cameras! It would have saved me from to bullshit lawsuits! As long as you are not that person doing the wrong things............ Then what do u have to worry about?
Stay of the blog you parasite....and if your a cop your a moron!
I am a worker. Period. Plain and simple. You can call me stupid or naive or whatever else you want to call me. But I am the working police. The day when we are required to put on a camera is coming. I have no problem with it because I do everything by the book. I sleep well at night.
7/11/2011 01:56:00 PM
Until the one moment of anger and human nature takes over and you slap some asshole caught on camera, like Cozzi and the Sgt from 006. Then what. They will only believe the camera instead of what "justifiable" reason you come up with.
This is ridiculous ....why not stick a camera up our a$$ so they can see us take a S#it,where is the point of our privacy,we take an oath,there is trust,until that is in question , it's self incriminating let them carry the camera if they want to document wrong doing! They want us to live at a higher standard until we are accused when that standard is in question the accuser is believed and our sworn trust is out the window....
"How about some body cameras for the alderman WITH microphones too. . . "
Why do you think Illinois is one of the last states to require a court order to record a conversation in public? The crooked Illinois politicians want a County Judge to review all applications for a COH so that LE cannot listen in to their crooked conversations, unless we can set forth reasonable cause to believe they are committimg a crime. The Feds can record on the say-so of an AUSA.
Hey let's all wear them all the time,let's base everything we do on rewind,now let's see what I did or could have done,damn little mistake here ,big mistake there,wow something I did that was actually good,truly inspiring,I should have been and actor,or director,or maybe a movie star...you know what, I can make good decisions without a camera it just makes me feel a little too self conscious ,if I wanted to be an actor ...I would have joined ....the C.P.D.!!
I don't need a camera to keep me honest....just a pension and no jail cell!
This is how vigilanteeism and death squads occur. This craziness will keep up until it reaches the rich burbs and lakefront.Then we don't care what happens up there.
"The motion filed today claims that Massoli, has a meritorious defense to the allegations.”
The above quote was taken from a story on Chicago Breaking News about the porn star who failed to show up for an appearance and her subsequent court date.
Does this mean you can now use a "meritorious defense to an allegation"?
Reporting Sergeant/Lieutenant cannot be held responsible for his totally incompetent decisions and/or actions because he is only a meritorious Sergeant/Lieutenant in the first place and the court should understand that meritorious/idiot/incompetent are pretty much the same thing.
The BART cop did just under a year in prison and is out now.
I blame his dept for not training him properly and the courts are doing the same thing in the civil suit.
Hey didn't JS have a Squad car camera prove that the person beefing on him was out and out lying? When he asked for charges against the beefer from IAD they blew him off. Then he brought it up at one of J-Fleds "Open" meetings and Aunt Bea was so upset she had him dumped out the Academy.
Yeah, those cameras are there to help us.
Let G-MAC strap one on his forehead every morning. This way we can see just which Fake reverunds Ass his head had been up!
The first of many to transfer out of 011 has begun with a Sgt leaving. Watch for many people to leave 011 in the near future.
DO NOT think of bidding to 011 it is no longer what it once was due w/c's with issues.
one step forward two steps back. They dont respond to stupid calls but have to wear pen cameras WTF Oakland
TO: -signed, a gang guy who would bid to 012 and drive in circles all day.
FROM: 012
SUBJECT: Driving in Circles
We appreciate your desire to come join our
skilled team.
However, may we suggest you stay
where you are, in that 012 is already at capacity with such talent that you possess.
Although there won't openings for Bid anytime soon, we will keep your request on file.
Feel free to stop by anytime when you're in the neighborhood, we'll leave the light on.
OT:
Headline writes the blog post for you.
http://www.suntimes.com/6455200-417/honor-student-was-drunk-high-at-time-of-fatal-crash.html
Fact: The Punks School has a 30% dropout rate. Has NO Students in Honors programs for the 2010/11 school year.
Down sizing alderman by 50%. Great idea to save money. Start with the useless 10ward guy
Even in the most grave situation, about to be disarmed, and if you suvive an attack from an assailant (use of force model), camera video will be used in court, (if Alvarez decides to prosecute) for the DEFENSE to dissect and spin the video to show how YOU acted improperly. And of course on the 6:00 News several times a day for weeks. Otherwise cameras not needed, unless for training purposes to see how you died.
Don't second guess an assailant, nobody gets an even break. Keep your distance. Stay safe.
OT
Terre Haute IN PO killed in gun battle trying to arrest suspect wanted on warrent.
Rectal cameras are the answer, trust me on this...now close your eyes and spread those cheeks.
I will have to start shooting steroids pretty soon just to have the strenght to carry all the shit the department says I need to do my job.
The BART cop did just under a year in prison and is out now.
That whole incident was just a tragedy. Who knows how one will react in the stress and heat of the moment?
While that police officer went to jail for a year, one can argue that he did screw up, tho not intentionally. So Invol Manslaughter is equivalent. But they had to give him jail time to keep the savages from going ape.
The big problem is that 8 other police officers killed citizens under the same circumstances-grabbing the firearm instead of the TASER. None of them were charged.
What everyone overlooks (or is too chicken-sh!t to say) is that if the citizen hadn't been acting like an AH, he should not have gotten shot, or even TASERed.
Minneapolis PD have had these for about a year.
You have to go out on the street with the right mindset: I am a recorder of citizens stupidity.
Too bad Chicago will never let these be used to coppers benefit.
The BART cop did just under a year in prison and is out now.
I blame his dept for not training him properly and the courts are doing the same thing in the civil suit.
OUR ACADEMY IS BS AND SO IS THE FTO PROGRAM
Body Cameras,
I agree put one on lt. h. from 014. she once told me "to get the **** out of her office.." I wish i had a camera on then.. she was probably off of the meds.
I would rather wear the rectum camera.
Adapt, overcome, move on. Like always.
7/11/2011 04:14:00 PM
Anonymous said...
I am a worker. Period. Plain and simple. You can call me stupid or naive or whatever else you want to call me. But I am the working police. The day when we are required to put on a camera is coming. I have no problem with it because I do everything by the book. I sleep well at night.
7/11/2011 01:56:00 PM
OK your stupid and naive.
7/11/2011 01:56:00 PM
OK your stupid and naive.
7/12/2011 10:56:00 AM
And this is how you retire anymore.
Who pays for this technology? What is the point of these devices?
Don't cops and their departments need money for vests, bullets, patrol cars, healthcare, pensions and such?
Seems like some technology nerds with a hardon for microchips just got a government contract selling 'solutions' to bureaucrats.
So cops needs to walk about like they are doing an iCarly show now? This makes the crime in a city get reduced how exactly?
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