Crime Down Again!
We have reached the tipping point where there is so little crime, we actually end up owing the future a number of aggravated batteries, a few domestics and a dozen or more hot cars - oh wait, hot cars keep going up. Scratch that one.
Meanwhile:
Meanwhile:
Five men were killed and at least 18 other people — including two children — were hospitalized after violence in the city this weekend.
Despite the violent weekend, Chicago Police announced Sunday that violent crimes have decreased for the 30th consecutive month and there have been 31 fewer murders this year than through June of last year, a 14.4 percent decrease. The crime stats also indicate a decrease in aggravated batteries, aggravated assaults and criminal sexual assaults.
Are there any actuaries out there who can determine the per capita rate of homicides? We lost at least 200,000 people in the recent census, and since rates are measured in terms of crimes per 100,000, is this a real drop in crime or just a statistical equivalent? And are we still doing that thing with people shot during robberies? And the other thing that negates the FBI ever using Chicago numbers in their crime stats because they're so hinky?
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
55 Comments:
Really ? That's awesome !
How can they possibly say that crime is down every freaking month, when all anybody with half a brain needs to do is read about all the agg batts and homicides that the papers report every day?
It's almost like somebody is intentionally trying to play a joke on everybody. "I know - let's just keep saying crime is down every month, and see how long it takes the stupid citizens to figure out it's bullshit."
I've actually seen victims of homicides resurrected weeks after being killed and walking the streets again in order to keep numbers low. Its amazing. Its like Weekend at Bernies.
Whatever the count is, add two bodies from 004. Guy through his eye, with brain matter splashed on his g/f, and the f/2 found shot in the head in a garage on Ewing.
But hey! Crime is down! All the media sez so! Cue the sheeple: Baaaaaaaaaaaa!
It’s just like Global Warming, you’re not supposed to ask for any proof, you’re just supposed to believe !
What about property crimes? Criminal damage reports? Thefts? And what of the clearance rates, esp. for violent crimes, like robberies? Oh, I forgot, robberies are property crimes, acc. to Cline.
I just don't understand how people can believe these lying political hacks any more. Crime has been going down for years here in Chicago, heat closes beaches, guns are evil and cameras will protect us all. Just sip on this KoolAid.
Crime has gone down for over 30 straight months with the shortage of cops? We don't need any more cops. In fact lets get rid of all of them and let the animals run the asylum. If anyone really believes these numbers they have been playing with themselves way too long.
Crime down?
No one told 002 that today! They were a little busy...
Medical treatment and EMS response are saving lives. If not for these two vastly improved factors over the past 30 years or so, we would have 2000 murders a year. Also, as we all know, figures can lie and liars can figure. Done.
The glass isn't half empty, IT'S HALF FULL !
Holy Shades of George "Friggin" Orwell Batman !!
Maybe a "journalist" should look at the initial call for police...just because no one signed a complaint doesn't mean the crime didn't happen...
batip, burgrt, theftr, theftj, asltip, asltrt, dist,
The calls come in all day long...a 19P or B doesn't mean it didn't happen...
Anonymous said...
....anybody with half a brain needs to do is read about all the agg batts and homicides that the papers report every day?
7/11/2011 12:07:00 AM
Chgo newspapers! Really? Sun times lost journalistic credibility when Rupert Murdock seized it in the early 80's. Tribune is slanted and becoming more of a rag everyday. If you only had half a brain.
All I can say is....Headquaters @ 35Th street has some pretty sharp pencils. I call total bullshit!!
Saying crime is down is like saying Mayor Daley is an honest man! I call bullshit!
I've actually seen victims of homicides resurrected weeks after being killed and walking the streets again in order to keep numbers low. Its amazing. Its like Weekend at Bernies.
7/11/2011 12:14:00 AM
lmao...
You know why nobody pays attention to cops? Cuz we're stupid. Read this thread, for example. Reported crime IS down. And yes, that means homicides, too.
The FBI won't take our data because we don't count "rapes," we count CSAs. There's a difference.
Chicago is now the 4th largest city in the US, after NY, LA, and now Houston - which has 2.8 million people and about 5500 sworn. We have less than 2.6 million and about 11,500 sworn on the payroll.
Want the per capita? Divide the number of homicides (or any other crime) by 2600 to get how many per 1000 residents. That's the number to make your comparisons with. (Of course, for NY use 7800, LA 3500, Houston 2800)
We're well on our way to be a 10000 sworn force.
Whatever the count is, add two bodies from 004. Guy through his eye, with brain matter splashed on his g/f, and the f/2 found shot in the head in a garage on Ewing.
But hey! Crime is down! All the media sez so! Cue the sheeple: Baaaaaaaaaaaa!
7/11/2011 12:34:00 AM
Those are called "death investigations" not homicides.
A double ration of kool-aid for the non- believers.
Never question the Commissars of City, er, Kremlin Hall.
Now close your eyes & click your heels and repeat after me, I do believe, I do believe, I DO BELIEVE!
Now don't you feel better?
Anonymous said...
" I've actually seen victims of homicides resurrected weeks after being killed and walking the streets again in order to keep numbers low. Its amazing. Its like Weekend at Bernies."
Actually those are Chicago Cook County Democrat zombie voters that turn up at each election.
Sun Jul 10, 2011
Stats Show Violence Down, Car Theft Up
Overall crime down 4 percent from last year
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.
Ooops:
Five dead, 19 wounded in weekend violence
BY MICHAEL LANSU Staff Reporter/mlansu@suntimes.com July 10, 2011 7:51PM
Remember, if it's not reported it didn't happen. Less police on the streets means less reprots being made, which means the "appearance" of crime being down.
Don't give a 19P to a job when you can give it a report. Someone shoots at an occupied house but no one in custody? don't make it a criminal damage to property, make it an agg batt or reckless discharge. the sgts want you to make the lowest possible case report because they are pressured by their bosses to help keep the stats "down." but, really, if you work in any of the ghetto districts, what can they do to you if you give it the highest possible UCR code? heck they might even promote you to a nice district or a unit just to get you to be quiet.
The paper suffling and lies continue. Crime down - hah
Always remember, there are 3 types of lies. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.
I find it hard to believe that Agg batts are down, seems like every day multiple people are getting shot or stabbed. Just curious, I do know that when a gang member gets shot in either the legs or arms and aren't saying much that the det. list the shooting as a gang violation. Is this listing of a "gang violation" taking away the listing of the agg batt, just curious?
The projects are down and 200,000 criminals have moved out. I would be amazed if crime weren't down.
Good for us, not so good for the suburbs. I wonder what their crime rate looks like.
A better stat to look into is the number of people shot a year... I bet numers are through the roof...
the project are gone , thousands of boerded up homes in englewood
yep crimes down
get rid of most illegals and tear down a few more ghetto homes and crime will be reduced
and we're still counting several people shot as 1 incident ... plus takes so long to get police service, people just give up on trying /waiting for report.. waited 2 yours recently on a traffic crash with one vehicle not driveable , lady that hit me just wanted to forget about and pay for my damages, finally I put other her in my car and went to station.... response times are miserable...
How the F can ROBBERY be considered a property crime...Stick a person up...shoot him..= property crime..grab a person at gunpoint and take their ca = property crime..wtf let the media know
Its only reported crime is down. Lots of folks don't even bother reporting it or waiting for the police to show up at their home.
I thought the new boss said no playing with the numbers... what a joke safest city in the world! if your a criminal that is... Thanks Daley you jagoff
There are figures and specific stats left out because they are too true, real and emotional for the public to hear. We know the truth, we speak it and we live it. It's the lying bosses that know the truth and turn it to say what they need and what the public want's to hear
I am a seventy year old women. I heard on the news that crime is down, almost gone. I was so relieved. Maybe before going to bed I could again walk down to the all night store to pick up bread and milk for breakfast. Then I turned on my police scanner and I hear "man shot in 025" and twenty minutes later "man shot in 015". This can't be true, my old ears must be playing tricks on me because I KNOW the news media and the mayor would NEVER lie to an old lady.
crime is down dope sales are up! as long as we let dude do what they want and paid them off crime will be down..
the working class people are being extorted by the welfare criminal and politicians...lower our taxes and cut welfare and see what kinda of crime stats you'll have then..
Can I get a raise now?
See? No need for Concealed Carry!
The reason homicides are down is because they're making them death investigations at the detective level when there isn't a known offender. What a joke!
Hello, Lakeview resident here... can I get some Police input as to the Boystown situation? Has anyone reading this been working around the Belmont area? From what I hear, the community is grateful and supportive and acknowledges the increased police presence. My wife and I just moved here three weeks ago and I am new here, but first, I love reading this blog, and FWIW, I sense that people here appreciate your efforts; I was curious to hear your perspectives as to how crime there has been handled, whether it seems to be abating, etc.
Only the dead have truly found peace in Chicago.
I am a seventy year old women ...
I'm a lonely, seventy year old man and looking for a companion who likes to take long walks at night to the local store to pick up milk and bread for breakfast. Let's hook up.
If the dead can rise up and vote on election day in Chicago why can't homicide victims do the same and walk around to bring that homicide rate down.
Crime is dropping, but we have one of the worst big city per-capita crime rates in the nation (i.e. we have a long way to go before our crime rates are respectable).
Here is a nice table comparing murder rates of some big cities using 2008 data:
City; Population; Murders; Murders per 100,000
1) San Diego; 1,271,655; 55; 4.33
2) New York; 8,345,075; 523; 6.27
3) San Antonio; 1,351,244; 116; 8.58
4) Los Angeles; 3,850,920; 384; 9.97
5) Phoenix; 1,585,838; 167; 10.53
6) Houston; 2,238,895; 294; 13.13
7) Dallas; 1,276,214; 170; 13.32
8) Chicago; 2,853,114; 510; 17.88
9) Philadelphia; 1,441,117; 331; 22.97
10 Oakland; 410,587; 115; 28.01
11) D.C.; 591,833; 186; 31.43
12) Detroit*; 908,441; 365; 40.18
*2009 data
Notice a pattern? As the % of X goes up, so does homicide rate go up...
It's all about reclassifying crime. Kid gets beat with a bat, ucr code changed from agg to simple. And the public is none the wiser.
OT: No Beach Closings Today?
89.1F degrees. Water temp 71 F
No high bacteria counts. I guess that's because the seagulls are all at work right?
Crime is down means that the gang intimidation is working.
Hear no evil -- see no evil -- speak no evil.
According to "First 48hrs. Missing Persons" there's a missing every 30 minutes in Chicago, if we could figure out how to concentrate them to 007,003,011,015 crime would really drop.
Someone hasn't received Supt.GMax memo about how he wouldn't tolerate phony figures. If crime is down why is he picking on poor ol' Carothers?
Police manpower is down, crime is down, beaches closed, can I expect my water bill to be down too?
Off Topic ; But on another manpower issue... RahmShanks said last week one way he intended to shrink the city deficit was not to hire 150-200 city vacancies. Stating this would save the City $20 (?) million a year.
How much did the City save by not hiring police to replace retireees for the past 3 years? Why wasn't that figure reported by the media?
Crime is being down all depends on what crime means and what violent crime means.
The despots definition of violent crime and the general populations definition is obviously two separate things.
I imagine someone getting hit with a stray bullet is not a violent crime per-say to some. Now is someone driving a car -- shot in the head - then crashing into a brick wall. Maybe it was the auto accident that kill em eh? Maybe everything is an accident and that's why crime is down.
MOB RULE
We are now in the state of Mob rule.
Just get yourself a large enough mob and you get to do whatever you want.
Take illegal entry into the country for example.
Everyone from the president to the mayor of this sanctuary city endorses illegal immigration.
We are lectured that the illegal immigrants are already here and trying to do something about it now would be like locking the barn door after the horses got out.
And we are told they are only trying to make a better life. That we cannot deport them all.
Why? Because they represent a mob.
The only thing that prevents deportation is the will to do it. Not doing it makes a mockery of the law and the justice system.
So now not only do the mobs enter the country.
The concept works so well the mobs enter the high class stores to the local Walgreens to grab anything they want and run. It's mob rule.
See how well it works!
Even at the higher levels of the social-economic food chain like at the banking level it's mob rule.
"Last week, Attorney General Lisa Madigan trumpeted a national settlement with JP Morgan Chase and 23 other states over bid-rigging. The national settlement totaled $92 million. Illinois received $2.2 million. Bank of America and UBS previously settled with the states for $67 million and $90.8 million, respectively, so this was obviously a very widespread practice."
more >> http://capitolfax.com/2011/07/11/not-enough-4/
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and that bid rigging by the bankers is mob rule -- banking gangsters bid rigging municipal bond contracts and just getting a slap on the wrist with no real consequences. Why? The mob is big enough to do what they want.
The banks divided up the turf just like the old style gangsters did and there is absolutely ZERO will to prosecute these people on criminal charges. Isn't that nice?
I'll bet from petty thieves to bank robbers they would like to have that mob deal. Hey...we will not admit or deny anything. Here's some of the money back and we'll call everything square. What in the hell kind of justice is that?
And you want to promote "broken windows " and sweat the so-called little things with all these major crimes going down?
Ha... The public will laugh in your face. Anyone that does get caught knows the only reason that they are not getting away with it like the bankers is that their mob isn't big enough yet so it's time to do some more recruiting.
Mob Rule baby.
Maybe if and when we get a President and a Governor and a Mayor that are willing to protect our borders instead of being an apologist and making a mockery of the laws we can do "broken windows" and make it work.
Until then it's just another media buzz word that attempts to conjure up a positive image of the oligarchs plan.
Remember it's the mob that rules.
Let's face it its all just public relations BS. The only time crime stats make a difference to anyone is when you or someone you know becomes a victim.
Why not release the number of court convictions for say, gun shot victims?
I don't think that number would be so impressive do you?
Anyone dare to estimate, I'd say maybe 2-3 percent tops.
a daley relative kills a man,
ya got nuttin kid
dats killin crime!
It is quite apparent that crime is down this year.
Thank you Chicago Police Force!
Hundreds of city workers earned over $10,000 in OT in four months
BY FRAN SPIELMAN
City Hall Reporter
Last Modified: Jul 12, 2011 02:07AM
Nearly 460 city employees each racked up more than $10,000 in overtime through the first four months of this year, fueling Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s demand for the work-rule changes he says he needs to avoid 625 layoffs.
A hoisting engineer in the Department of Streets and Sanitation tops the overtime list, with $37,546 in payments through April 30, records show.
More than two dozen hoisting engineers, operating engineers and motor truck drivers in Streets and San and Water Management topped the $20,000 mark, with at least a dozen other Streets and San drivers close behind.
A foreman of motor truck drivers in the Department of Aviation raked in $30,728. A supervisor of animal care aides got $17,211.
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