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- A veteran officer with a clean record is being investigated by the St. Petersburg Police Department (SPPD) after he warned the father of a robbery victim about a dangerous part of town.
Officer Thad "Stu" Crisco, who was recently in headlines for honoring his fallen partner David Crawford, allegedly warned St. Petersburg father Bob Esposito about letting his 16-year-old daughter hang around the Northshore Pool at night. Esposito's daughter was one of five teens robbed by a group of armed men there about 10:30 p.m. on a recent weeknight.
"I wouldn't come down here at night," Esposito said of the Northshore Pool area and Downtown, where he admits he used to loiter as a teen. "And I was told by one of the police officers not to come down here either."
That comment, made by Crisco the night of the robbery, was inadvertently relayed to his superior when Esposito was following up with SPPD. The department then launched an investigation into "disparaging comments against the city."
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
73 Comments:
I love rainbows and unicorns!
rainbow beach is a nice colorful place to be at night, everyone please go.
Fuck you ... it's called 1st amendment.
I don't live in the city or work in the city....I will warn whomever I please.....
First the second amendment then the first....when will the Daleys of this world give up?
how about a..
A First Amendment Investigation.
Yeah SCC...
j-fled was looking under every legal rock to shut the blog down for the same reason...
it is about time for the so called "ACLU" to stand up for once for the police. Or would it be better for one to just say"call the Mayors office" with that question after someone asks an officer what about this part of town etc?
I hope that guy sues and owns a part of the city. Free speech is the FIRST Amendment for a fucking reason.
It's just like a bunch of pansie politicians to try to ban an American's right to speak freely.
Oh, by the way. Chicago is a shithole run by assholes who are intent on destroying it while they rob it blind.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fuck you ... it's called 1st amendment.
7/02/2011 01:22:00 AM
Not when you are on duty and working for the city.
The ACLU had defended police before- it defends anyone who's constutional right have been violated. Just give them a call if this happens to you.
What? Is it me, I'm I dyslexic, did I read the article differently. I don't understand if the officer was from SPPD or Chicago.
Next they will be burning books.
So, by NOT telling the truth about the city, you are in compliance.
wow giving a warning to potentially help someone. how did they find out about this. why would the father complain about this unbelievable
Rhamfather & McBulbs will be putting out an memo to the effect that CPD coppers will be ordered to wear dog anti-bark collars which will zap them whenever they dare to speak naughty things about the city.
6 years ago I got lost in St.Petersberg,flew down and had no gun,in daylight it was a scary place.Accidentally found a police station to ask directions and the Officer was behind bullet proof glass.Pretty much every city in this country is full of shitbags enjoying the freebies.
Damn liars. Part 1 is to lie to us, and to keep on lying even when called out on it; part 2 is to try to keep you from telling the truth.
But they still can't make me or Amy Schwartz shut up.
--Law Abiding Citizen
what did he say that was offensive or worth invesitagting?
Wumpy
I tell everyone I know to avoid Chicago political hacks, Englewood, and democrats.
Keep buying weapons and ammo folks.
Many CPD officers have been ordered to lie to the public about crime conditions. When we had the old beat rep meeting, I was banned for telling the truth ( never got promoted either )
I look at some of those who said the company line, promosted for lying, being thieves and scoundrels
I work in 001 and I warn every tourist who asks for directions about the wilding shitheads! This is called PRO-ACTIVE POLICING!
When I was a Realtor (90's) I was told I would be sued if I warned clients about a bad part of town and was instructed to refer them to the cops who were more free to speak about those matters.
I guess that's over now. Just leave the proles to their fates, I guess.
All this was predicted years ago. There is no more Freedom of Speech. You can't say what you think or some higher up will hammer you one way or another.
Worked for a Commander in 024 (KA) who told us not to warn people about Juneway Terrace and its surrounding area. A young lady of apparent Swedish decent moved into one of the apartment buildings. Her first day back to work her apartment was cleaned out! When she came into 24 to make the report, I suggested she break her lease. It wasn't called Juneway Jungle for nothin!
I work downtown and people asked all the time "is it safe?" referring to certain areas of the city! I tell them the truth! I would say if your asking would I let my family go there then I answer yes or no! What a bunch of bullshit! Should we send the "victims" to meet the "animals?" This is getting worse what are we to properly tell tourists? What is the "correct response?"!
Officers threatened after Emily Good arrest
Rochester police officers involved in the arrest of activist Emily Good, who filmed a traffic stop and posted the video online, have had threats made against them
By PoliceOne Staff
ROCHESTER, N.Y. — Rochester police officers involved in the arrest of Emily Good, the activist who filmed a traffic stop and posted her video online, have had threats made against them.
Good was charged with obstructing governmental administration while videotaping a traffic stop in front of her house on May 12. Prosecutors dropped the charge this week, citing lack of evidence.
The video and arrest prompted some criticism of the officers involved in message boards and social network sites, according to The Democrat and Chronicle.
Police officers are paying special attention to those officers' homes in fear of retaliation, Locust Club President Mike Mazzeo said during a news conference Thursday.
He said that least one arresting officer's home address was posted online. Local, state and federal officials are investigating and subpoenas and court orders for information have been issued, he said.
"There's been cellphone calls, there's drive-bys on residences — a vehicle drove by a residence and something was shouted out," Mazzeo said, prompting officers and their families to fear for their safety.
"Mrs. Good's message that has gone out to the public — that you have a right to question the actions of a police officer — is irresponsible and is a danger to the officers, the individual they are dealing with and any other bystanders," he said. "A simple street stop can turn deadly in seconds."
It's amazing how a police department will prosecute it's own members for the most trivial things and violate thier constitutional rights in an instant. If police departments went after criminals with the same enthusiasm, there would probably be a lot less crime. I hope this officer sues, of course, I imagine florida must have money to burn to do something so stupid. The constitution applies to everyone. Where's the ACLU now?
The Officer didn't do anything wrong, quite the contrary. Why do the Police issue community alerts regularly for crime problems in the first place? An irresponsible waste of tax dollars is about to occur and I hope the Chief there is required to cough up as well.
God bless and God help America
Freedom of Speech is becoming DOA thanks to Communist playbook rules like this.
This can't be serious but is! What kind of crazy shit,is going on? A copper now cannot advise people on the "dangerous parts of town!" Sorry but I tell people the truth,don't travel to the areas that could be on the program "when animals attack"
freedom of speech you liberal retards
What's the difference between putting out a community or business alert or simply just giving a verbal warning to a citizen about a crime pattern or incident? Sounds like the officer was doing exactly what he was hired to do, offering a little crime prevention. The department might want to check how much money they have in their wallet.
Has the city ever done anything remotely close to this to a Chicago Cop. No
SCC why stir up trouble for no reason.
This job is a job please don't let it run every aspect of your life.
Yeah SCC...
j-fled was looking under every legal rock to shut the blog down for the same reason...
7/02/2011 02:33:00 AM
When that FBI whistleblower spoke the truth, Weis tried to muzzle and fire him.
The common element? Embarrassment. Can't have the truth come out, because that might reflect badly on the agency, the municipality, the department, etc.
Kind of like telling people we shut a BEACH because it's hot outside.
Years ago I once got into a lot of shit for advising a citizen at a CAPS meeting to "move out" of the neighborhood if she felt that afraid of her new neighbors. Oh well she eventually moved out,I however, am still in this shit city.
Is this all his Dept. has to do, go after one of their own for making a statement such as this? What idiocy!
Hey why don't you Google Newark officers disciplined for blog criticism and see what McCarthy does to surfs who have an opinion. You retards have no clue what he is capable of. Or watch the episode in brick city where he offers the "heads" to the mayor when an officer arrests a media member at a parade.
If the function of the police is crime prevention, by preventing some wayward hapless sap from being victimized, isn't he is doing what he is paid to do?
Sorry that it offends some peoples' sensitivities. Don't like it, clean up your act.
I had numerous people come up to me asking what areas on their Chicago map they should avoid. Just folded the map and gave it back to them, saying " you have it."
So......what did he do wrong????
If they don't want to warn people about certain areas...
...why would any city publish crime stats about that area.
Officers Lawyer, "If this officer knew the crime stats and he related knowledge of those published stats from memory then is he not doing his job."
It could be a BIG PAYDAY for that officer.
If Mayor Emanuel knew that the Chicago Police Department was woefully undermanned and still brought the G-8 and NATO summits to Chicago is he not liable for these officer's injuries.
Where is FOP on this one ? Police Officers are not real estate salesmen but we do know the real estate and who lives there.
So how come there's no comments on whats going on at the Taste? Or is it all rainbows and unicorns down there too?
Burglars Hit Mag Mile Louis Vuitton Store
A smash-and-grab break-in early this morning at the Magnificent Mile Louis Vuitton store netted several purses and other leather goods from the tony high-end retailer.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/
breaking/chi-burglars-hit-mag-mile-louis-vuitton-store-20110702,0,3164814.story
About 30 years ago, several similar smash-and-grabs prompted the North Michigan Avenue Retailers Association to place a call to the Mayor's office. The next day, a new 018th District, 1st watch detail was born known as the Michigan Avenue Detail. I believe it still exists, but has morphed into another district-wide tactical team. Betcha they get reeled back to Michigan Avenue, exclusively, after this one.
You have a right to say what you want- ala 1st amendment, BUT you dont have a right to be a policeman. Sorry 01:22AM
So just shut your mouth. Chicago is a Utopian society so take your SOMA and drink your kool-aid.
Isnt the article about St. Pete, FL and not Chicago?
12:38 PM
Talk to retired Sgt. John Northen, fool.
While on duty you do not have First Amendment rights. You must conform to the Rules & Regs of the employer, The Chicago Police Department, which must adhere to the larger organization, The City of Chicago. This is just like if you worked for any private company as well. Deal with it.
I work in an area of many many tourists and NEVER hesitate to tell the truth. Im not a fucking politician, im a copper and if you want the sugarcoated version we arent the ones to ask. Unless of course you are a high ranking suck ass white shirt that sold your soul for a few extra bucks
Isnt the article about St. Pete, FL and not Chicago?
7/02/2011 05:04:00 PM
you're not from around here, are you?
Has the city ever done anything remotely close to this to a Chicago Cop. No
SCC why stir up trouble for no reason.
This job is a job please don't let it run every aspect of your life.
7/02/2011 12:38:00 PM
tell that to your masters.
the beginning of communism.
Rules and Regs Rule 32 (which I figure they could stretch every which way):
Engaging in any public statements, interviews, activity, deliberation
or discussion pertaining to the Police Department which reasonably
can be foreseen to impair the discipline, efficiency, public service,
or public confidence in the Department or its personnel by:
(a) false statements, or reckless, unsupported accusations.
(b) the use of defamatory language, abusive language,
invective or epithets.
you go out and work now you have a target on your back--- it's not the one you thought it would be but the bullshit one you forgot about that will get you jammed--- fuck the police department and their numbers and their bullshit, be true to yourself and the coppers who are on the watch with you--- fuck the numbers trap that the department has set up for you--- be an independent thinker and do the job the way you think it should be done--- follow your first instincts....
tell your yound daughters Englewood at night is where all the cool kids are .... ya
Has the city ever done anything remotely close to this to a Chicago Cop. No
SCC why stir up trouble for no reason.
This job is a job please don't let it run every aspect of your life.
7/02/2011 12:38:00 PM
You're obviously a civilian, so you don't have a clue how funny your comment is.
This job DOES run most every aspect of our lives. It controls where we can and cannot live. It controls aspects of what and how much we can ingest re: alcohol and meds. Our conduct off duty can and often is called into question. Our choices of off-duty, part-time work are limited by the Department.
But thanks for the laugh. (And, one more thing; you telling police officers, who write a police blog, not to make it all about the job -- is ridiculous.)
"I always want to know my officers are representing this city in a very positive light," Foster said.
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This is the type of quizzling ruining this nation right here ....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fuck you ... it's called 1st amendment.
7/02/2011 01:22:00 AM
Not when you are on duty and working for the city.
7/02/2011 06:42:00 AM
Hey Wise Guy show me where it says not while you are on duty in the 1st Amend. Who told you that you give up your rights when you become a cop! You are an idiot!
Animal Farm in real life...George Orwell was a man of vision. The fucking liberal fucks in this country have driven Political Correctness to the ultimate level: Do NOT speak the truth or tell it like it is, just keep living the lie. No fucking libtard wants the truth unless it's self serving. The Revolution is coming and we're going to ram it right up the asses of every fucking liberal piece of shit in this country
You have the duty to say it. It used to be called the 'Bureau of Crime Prevention.'
F#ck Chicago. I hate the city more than anything. I wouldn't recommend living or visiting here to anyone. It is the absolute worst city in the entire world. Avoid it like the plague.
If you must travel in Chicago, bring a gun and nevermind the stupid laws. Your life is far more important than the retarded corrupt views of generations of scumbag politicians. If you must use the firearm in self defense, by all means please do. There are dozens of gun rights organizations who will pick you your attorney costs, and possibly make yours a landmark case to overturn more retarded Chicago, Cook, and Illinois anti-gun nonsense laws
@ 05:40:00 PM
and when that fool is done talking with Northside, have him give Lt. Andrews in 011 a call as well if you want to know about CPD's retaliation against employees who call it how they see it.
what was the final disposition of j-fled's witch hunt against the Lt.?
Whenever anyone askes me how safe some place is, I tell them. I've steered many people away from buy property in shitty neighborhoods. All you have to do is tell them to go by at night and on the weekends (day & night) to see what's going on.
It's a legit question, from a concerned citizen. Besides, it's called freedom of speech!
Engaging in any public statements, interviews, activity, deliberation
or discussion pertaining to the Police Department which reasonably
can be foreseen to impair the discipline, efficiency, public service,
or public confidence in the Department or its personnel by:
(a) false statements, or reckless, unsupported accusations.
(b) the use of defamatory language, abusive language,
invective or epithets.
7/02/2011 08:14:00 PM
Helooo! One can infer that this pertains to the department and not the city. And since when is telling the truth making a false statement or using defamatory langueage?
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I just do not believe that a police officer is ordered to lie about crime conditions. He is just told do not comment on them. You are employees of an organization and when you are on duty or in uniform, you must conform to the department policies. When you are off duty, you can do what you want as long as you do not represent yourself as a department member. The 1st amendment does not apply in this case.
Hey why don't you Google Newark officers disciplined for blog criticism and see what McCarthy does to surfs who have an opinion. You retards have no clue what he is capable of. Or watch the episode in brick city where he offers the "heads" to the mayor when an officer arrests a media member at a parade.
Here's the link:
http://www.edmecka.com/articles/newark-officer-fighting-rebuke---he-was-suspended-over-internet-blog.html
The Consitution of the United States applies to all Americans all the time. Don't blame the public schools for not knowing that, ahhh yes I remember Jackie Vaughan, unfortunately.
Fuck you ... it's called 1st amendment.
7/02/2011 01:22:00 AM
Not when you are on duty and working for the city.
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I'd argue...It's our job to serve AND PROTECT. If someone asks me if Englewood is a safe place to walk through at night, should I say yes to support the city? That would be dereliction of duty. The city wouldn't have my back when that person ended up dead.
Oh no! A though crime!
What is next, "pre-crime?"
I just do not believe that a police officer is ordered to lie about crime conditions. He is just told do not comment on them. You are employees of an organization and when you are on duty or in uniform, you must conform to the department policies. When you are off duty, you can do what you want as long as you do not represent yourself as a department member. The 1st amendment does not apply in this case.
7/03/2011 09:05:00 AM
so, if your daughter calls you on duty and asks you if it's safe to attend the pr festival, you're gonna take the 5th?
7/02/2011 12:38:00 PM said:
Has the city ever done anything remotely close to this to a Chicago Cop. No
SCC why stir up trouble for no reason.
This job is a job please don't let it run every aspect of your life.
replies: its been done alot unofficially..."bringing disrepute" could start being stretched into this, read your GO's SO's,,,, it is a topic of interest to many sworn and to readers of this blog,,,,this job is a job,,,hopefully I don't know you, because you are real clueless if you think that way.
so, if your daughter calls you on duty and asks you if it's safe to attend the pr festival, you're gonna take the 5th?
7/03/2011 04:19:00 PM
Great example! THANKS...
"WHERE THEY BURN BOOKS, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY ALSO BURN PEOPLE”
This quote above is taken from the 1821 play by Heinrich Heine called “Almansor”; but was revived to refer to the Nazi burning of books during the Holicost.
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