Um, What?
Ridiculous:
- 020 strikes again!! Call comes out Man with a gun...from a mental ward. A PO and Sgt respond. They get there and the staff tell them that they can't take their guns into the ward with them. So they check their guns before going in!! Hello? What is wrong with that place?
We get our chain yanked a bit, but is this serious? A gun call and someone gives up the one thing that might protect them against a gun?
"Nineteen Paul" boys and girls.
You've got security? Call them. You've got doctors and nurses with powerful anti-psychotic medications? Administer them. Either the police are allowed to do their jobs with the tools provided them or the hospital handles their own shit and stops calling the police. And any supervisor that requests, tells or orders an Officer to surrender his or her weapon on a "Man with a Gun" call, regardless if the call came from a secure mental ward with bars on the windows and locks on the doors, can go to hell.
"Nineteen Paul" boys and girls.
You've got security? Call them. You've got doctors and nurses with powerful anti-psychotic medications? Administer them. Either the police are allowed to do their jobs with the tools provided them or the hospital handles their own shit and stops calling the police. And any supervisor that requests, tells or orders an Officer to surrender his or her weapon on a "Man with a Gun" call, regardless if the call came from a secure mental ward with bars on the windows and locks on the doors, can go to hell.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
137 Comments:
wtf? dont tell me the sgt and ofr checked in their guns!
AMEN!
How about the mental wards be equipped with tranquilizer darts?
Don't call the police, except to file a report, which shouldn't be necessary unless a death occurs.
Give up a weapon when responding to a person with a gun?? NO!
I'm a Sgt. In a district with a lot of hospitals and I can tell you that if they tried that with me on a man with a gun call I'd tell them they were on there own, 19-p and wed be gone.
I would tell my Sergeant to go f*#k himself if he ever gave me that order.
I certainly would have told them to go fuck themselves! Come on Sarge.
Ask for water bazooka then or slingshot! that should do the trick.
what idiot does that... if i can not take my gun, then fuck you, I am not going in.... What IDIOTS; did they have you check your balls too????
This can't be the whole story.
I can't believe ANYONE would go into a gun call unarmed. Perhaps one of the nutjobs called in a phony call?
Some clarification is needed here!
Surely you jest! I can't believe that cops would give up their guns so easily and walk into a potentially deadly situation unarmed. If it were me, I'd refuse to give up my gun, then turn around and leave. They can find some other sap to disarm. I even hate locking up my pistol before going into court.
If it were me, I would tell the stupid sergeant, you give up your weapon, I will be out here. Yell if you need me and then I will come in and shoot the mother fucker. I/f,153,016.
There used to be a time when we were the police. I can understand the copper calling for a supervisor, but the supervisors response? That's crazy. Maybe he should be checked in while he's there.
If true, what's that say for the dumasses who checked their guns in and handled job?
"They get there and the staff tell them that they can't take their guns into the ward with them."
My suggestion:
So then they tell the staff, you bring the guy here, and we'll cuff him. Seriously, we'll wait right here and grab a smoke ... be careful, I hear he's got a gun.
If it wasn't so sad it'd be funny. Like some of the POLICE letters on our stars and uniforms are disappearing.
Wow! That's almost as bad as the PO who called to ask what kind of report she should make because a male taking female hormones (he's gonna have "the surgery") had CONSENTUAL, unprotected sex. He claimed that by having unprotected sex, he had been sexually assaulted. He was worried that having unprotected sex would mess up the hormone treatment.
I told her the only crime was that this guy was an idiot & he was wasting her time. She said the "victim" insisted on a report. Again, I told her there was no report to be made. It was bad enough that the hospital called 911. Obviously, her sergeant blew her off & she didn't have enough balls to tell the guy, "Tough. You made a bad choice, now live with it."
In the end, I told her just make a Non-criminal:Against person GOCR and tell this moron absolutely nothing was going to be done...WTF!
Really? I can't believe one copper, let alone 2, was stupid and wreckless enough to listen to the hospital personnel. "Squad, the hospital wants me to lock up my gun before I enter the premises. Make this a 19P and hold me down for a personal at Starbucks." No supervisor with any balls would write you up for that. When you get sued in federal court because someone got killed, how do you explain voluntarily taking your weapon off?
SCC-
And any supervisor that requests, tells or orders an Officer to surrender his or her weapon on a "Man with a Gun" call, regardless if the call came from a secure mental ward with bars on the windows and locks on the doors, can go to hell.
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You can tell your immediate supervisor that, on scene, but then you'll be stripped and eventually fired for disobeying a direct order. Rightfully so. What kind of soldier isn't willing to follow his General into battle?
Everyone was taught how to defend themselves in the academy in order to take down an offender. Remember to use the fierce open handed strikes along with tactical arm bar take downs and atomic elbow drops. Guns are nice, but like a relationship with ones parents, you must learn to separate from them and be a man on your own.
A lot of ignorant people on this job think that clouted officers get on specialized combat teams because of just using phone calls. Not true. The brass pays attention to the officers that are adept at being able to physically take down 5 offenders on their own. Someone like me, a master of Greco-Roman wrestling and fifteen time black belt, quickly gained the attention of the white shirts when I was a brand new pup out of the academy.
If this story is true, hopefully the officer was able to conduct himself in a proffesional manner in front of his Sgt.
You never know? One day he might even make the Strike Team, and become a 'under cover car ridin', court hoggin', arrest stealin', contact card writing son of a gun!'
Wooooooooooooooooooooo!
Peace. Word is bond.
This is a famous call of three years ago that coppers still talk about in 20-24. Man with a knife at Lakeshore hospital's third floor. Officers arrive, and one states "they won't let us in unless we disarm" & a female Sgt says "my detective friend says we have to disarm when entering a hospital" a 20th district tact sgt goes "no police officer is to disarm, if they don't let us in armed, tell em they're on their own" Lakeshore let em in. Guess that sgt left 020.
When the then-new O.E.C. building opened on Madison Avenue, I was a newly promoted sergeant in 012. Upon receiving a call to meet the Watch Manager there, I entered the building and was told that I could not walk past the civilian security guard until I surrendered my duty weapon. I asked this goof if he recognized me as a uniformed Chicago Police Department sergeant. He said yes, but "the rules were the rules". As I started walking past him, he said, "You can't go up there with your weapon." I said, "What are you going to do? Call my supervisor? Go right ahead." After that, anytime I received a call in that building, the security guard would get up and approach me and, upon realizing that I was the one that "caused trouble", never bothered me again.
I cannot believe that somebody would actually give up their weapon in a case like the one described in the situation you described. But, then again, maybe today, they would.
sort of same thing happened at hellgrove hospital,had a juvy mental fighter kickin it up because of lack of flamin hots in her diet.we were gonna drag her fatass to help tie her down in the bed but were told we had to leave our guns with the desk personal or in the janitors closet.laughed and left that hippo on the break dancin on the floor kicking at their security.19 paul solves it all.
I once got a burglary call at the buddist temple in 009 on 31st street and the key holder said I had to remove my boots...I refused, and turned away only to see a fng about to untie his shoe laces....unbelieveable.
Bill Cozzi helped out with a drunk in a hospital and see what that got him. Let hospital security do there job.
You are not required to follow THEIR policies, your are required to follow ours. Do you think the hospital is going to give two shits if you get killed. Let their staff handle their problem if they're refusing to let you in with your gun.
Ohh yea, I'm also not taking my fucking boots off either before entering a house of worship which requires it for their members.
19-P bad idea--if shots fired, someone killed, etc.
How 'bout a big F/U, we're the police and we're going in on a serious call!!!!
IF the article is true, the really disturbing thing is that the officers did in fact give up their weapons.
Hindsight is 20/20, but what they sould have done is AMF.
Man with gun=police with gun. But, lock ward is like a lock up, state law no guns/weapons.
Common sense, not just following rules should have governed this one.
I even hate locking up my pistol before going into court.
8/25/2011 12:49:00 AM
thats why you should carry an extra concealed one to those courts - ankle, in the pants, etc
then you can "lock up your pistol", one of them anyways, and still have protection availiable
I do not believe that happened. If it did...that Sgt has to go. I question if it happened because that type of call is going to get a very fast, huge response up there. Everything is "real" in A3.
WTF! If this incident is as reported then it calls into question the competence of the sergeant . . . and the PO's. Who in their right mind would even consider giving up their weapons - especially on a "Man with a gun" call? You never give up your weapon - mental ward, private property or otherwise. As you say: either 19P - handle your own crap, or let the police do their job. Personally, I don't know any coppers that would relinquish their piece.
The Sgt. must be the biggest softball on the department.
Back in the day, at 13th and Michigan court, whoever wanted the police came to the lobby; police would not give up their guns no matter how nicely we were asked to do so.
First book my Criminal Justice teacher gave us to read nearly 30 years ago was Joseph Waumbau's The Onion Field. Visualizing one partner pleading with his partner not to put down his gun stayed with me the rest of my life. Never. Police work is not about making everyone feel COMFORTABLE. Safety First, you and your partners.
To Judge Black of Tazwell County Illinois, thank you for teaching me about discretion, a lost art in modern day policing.
Ah, no one addressed the question as to how did the nut case get a gun into a locked ward.
Another idiot for a sergeant and I hope the P.O was just some young new kid on that job that didn't have the exerperience and confidence yet to tell the idot sergeant to go fuck himself. FYI everyone... We don't need to take off our shoes, our vests, our radios, our GUNS or anything else for ANYONE when we are on duty and in the performance of our official duties. Our rules trump everyone elses, including those of some mental hosptial. These employees at this hospital that were denying the police access to the building for a person with a gun call could have and should have been arrested for obstructing the police. This sergeant ought to be ashamed of himself for putting that P.O in a situation where he could not defend himself had the offender indeed been armed. The P.O really needs to learn from this that there are certain orders you do not have to follow on this job. Jumping off a bridge and robbing a bank are two of them and disarming yourself is another.
What an idiot SGT!!! There are good SGT's out there, but in the past few years we have been getting some SGT's that are doing no one any good.
jack nicholson popping out from behind the door while wielding an ax comes to mind--- I was never crazy about checking my gun at impoundment court or skokie but no way will it happen on a 1a man with gun call--- 19p, tell the guy with the gun to come outside...
This day on this job, its probably true. It doesnt surprise me. Anyone in the know? Who are these officers? Just to stay away from them!
Do you see how YOU feel about YOUR guns? Take a look at all these comments about the guns.Now you know how the general law abiding public feels about OURS.
Concealed Carry Illinois!
As far as the hospital is concerned,they called for our service. Its on OUR terms not theirs.Elst let their crack(head) security team handle it. And to the PO with the issue locking up his gun for court...I feel ya. Its a damn shame but it is what it is. Now while having a secondary concealed is a good idea,dont let the Chief or some Deputy get wind of it or worse the Judge.
020 strikes again!! Call comes out Man with a gun...from a mental ward. A PO and Sgt respond. They get there and the staff tell them that they can't take their guns into the ward with them. So they check their guns before going in!! Hello? What is wrong with that place?
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Kind of like no guns in a prison, isn't it?
Better safe than sorry.
I think the sgt and the PO probably made the right call.
8/23/2011 04:20:00 PM
Made the right call? If I read correctly it said the call was a man with a gun, and taking off your weapon is a right call? I don't fucking think so. I as well as you(maybe) are the police. We are allowed to and supposed to carry our weapons(our tools of the trade for survival)and you want me or other officers to put down our weapons for hospital rules. FUCK THAT!!!!!
8/23/2011 08:56:00 PM
I can't believe this is true.
What do you expect it's Area 3.
This can't be the whole story.
I can't believe ANYONE would go into a gun call unarmed. Perhaps one of the nutjobs called in a phony call?
Some clarification is needed here!
8/25/2011 12:47:00 AM
And when will you know if the "nutjob" called in a phony call. Before or after he shoots and kills you while you are unarmed after going in without you gun? You are the police, and on duty, you never-ever remove your weapon.
Wow! That's almost as bad as the PO who called to ask what kind of report she should make because a male taking female hormones (he's gonna have "the surgery") had CONSENTUAL, unprotected sex. He claimed that by having unprotected sex, he had been sexually assaulted. He was worried that having unprotected sex would mess up the hormone treatment.
I told her the only crime was that this guy was an idiot & he was wasting her time. She said the "victim" insisted on a report. Again, I told her there was no report to be made. It was bad enough that the hospital called 911. Obviously, her sergeant blew her off & she didn't have enough balls to tell the guy, "Tough. You made a bad choice, now live with it."
In the end, I told her just make a Non-criminal:Against person GOCR and tell this moron absolutely nothing was going to be done...WTF!
8/25/2011 01:11:00 AM
Why did you do that? He gets no report. Get it? NO REPORT! God damn we've become such pussies.
Tyical of diamond girl and the likes of her in 020.
I was at Children's Memorial a couple weeks ago with my partner on a dog bite. We parked in the front and walked in. There was some f/1 at the reception desk. I asked "which way to the ER?" and this idiot said "you will have to wait out here because you can't go in with your guns." We simply laughed at her and kept walking. But after the fact we were trying to figure out what she wanted us to do with our guns. We should of asked, but WOW people are stupid.
Can you imagine what would happen if any of us check our guns and someone gets hold of them? Jesus this town needs an enema!!!!!
I'm the Sergeant that responded. We did not disarm ourselves as requested by the less than helpful Chicago Lakeshore Hospital staff. Officer safety first. Hell, I carry way to many weapons and would have filled several of their lockers. 19-Paul no, but a case report was prepared. I made complaints to the CPD's Legal Affairs, the Illinois Department of Public Health and the Joint Commission about the Hospital's failure to secure their staff phone from psychotic patients, lack of staff assistance to the responding officers, and the Hospital's policy of requesting the police to disarm. Note to any officer having business with the Chicago Lakeshore Hospital staff - many staffers appear hostile to the police. Use caution and stay safe. Lakeshore can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands (well actually not the firearms are willed to my kids) .
I once got a burglary call at the buddist temple in 009 on 31st street and the key holder said I had to remove my boots...I refused, and turned away only to see a fng about to untie his shoe laces....unbelieveable.
8/25/2011 04:21:00 AM
Hey I'm not tech savy with the lingo. What's fng or was that a typo?
This must be a joke? what the fk are they thinking about.I am not surprise your commander is a fuck up !she hides officers inside the review office.That commander only protect the lazy officers not the working ones. this district is so crazy that the lockup officer is everywhere except in the lockup he is the watch secretary leaves the lockup to be do schedules there by creating a safety!!!!.
this place should be fine . the officers are the authority are they stupid.what are the sgts doing start enforcing your authority and tell these people to go fuck themselves. officers don't take people there this is your safety.but this is not the only place lawrence hall for boys is another one this applies to them too safety of officers should be number one these places are like a jail you can come in but you must be let out wtf. wake up before someone gets hurts bad.
The producers of the "deadliest warrior" need to come in and evaluate who is the deadliest cpd warrior - tact, geu, tru, msf, 06 incident car or strike force. Chip in if I missed one
I was in 020 when a beef came in about "Discilpline" aka beatings came in at a Muslim School on Foster. Coppers show up, hear yelling and go in. Bearded asshole MFs the coppers for taking shoes off, copper gives it back to him.
The DC gets letters from all over the world from jihadists.
Nothing happened.
I won't take one article of uniform off at a church, temple, home, etc. I'm not going to a gun call unarmed.
I also carry a .380 hidden when I go to those courts.
illinois masonic tried that with me 15 years ago> as a ppo i told them politely to "f" themselves. when i turned and pressed the elevator button they changed their minds
You can tell your immediate supervisor that, on scene, but then you'll be stripped and eventually fired for disobeying a direct order. Rightfully so. What kind of soldier isn't willing to follow his General into battle?
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An alive one in this case. No way boss (General??), your wrong. You wish but your wayyyy wrong. Please stop watching the Military Channel, most of those portrayed knew how to lead men. Sorry Napolean.
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I would tell my Sergeant to go f*#k himself if he ever gave me that order.
Here you will take 30 for insubordination.
Lotsa' rage here, but where's the provenance of the story?
Even the Sheriff of Mayberry would consider that a stupid idea.
Another example of merit promotion at work. Way to go sparky! You are the Police, never gove up your tools, you tool.
I'm a Sgt. In a district with a lot of hospitals and I can tell you that if they tried that with me on a man with a gun call I'd tell them they were on there own, 19-p and wed be gone.
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is it monday morning already???
I don't even carry a gun when I'm in a beat car in Englewood. Once I had to twist a guy's ball sack right off!!! I swear.....I'll do it again!!!!
Chicago is the same department that makes US check our own guns when we go to process offenders in our own lockups and processing areas. I am suprised someone has not missed a gun on a search and we havn't had a room full of police hostages.
So stop saying you won't give up your gun. We do it every day and I have not heard of anybody filing a safety grievence over it or any boss telling his troops they could keep their guns in his lockup
Are you fucking soft?
Heartgrove is the same way. No guns allowed in their wards. They want you to check it at the desk. The phone girl will put it in her drawer.
I'll bet the sergeant is a merit sergeant.
One question. How did they secure their weapons?
I'm a sergeant in 020 and have been to Lakeshore Hosp. many times. I, too, have been asked to disarm there and of course refused to do so. On one call the staff by the front door asked me to talk on the phone with their security who was upstairs. The security told me he was a CPD detective and before I could come upstairs I would have to disarm as it was a violation of state law to bring a firearm into a mental hospital. I told him that under state law I could bring in a firearm if an emergency existed. He told me it wasn't that much of an emergency and I still needed to disarm. I told him that if it wasn't an emergency I didn't need to be there and "Bye bye and 19Paul." A previous poster likened this to bringing a gun into a lockup. Read the order, you can go into a lockup armed, if necessary.
With our new Super, can this officially be called a McJob?
I used to work at a mental ward in a hospital during college. That's usually the standing policy. I never understood why Psych ward staff would call Police. Most hospital security guards carry guns now.
had calls there many times before and if i cant take my gun upstairs then you get no service from me...call one of your useless security guards..this place is a joke!!!
Just a couple of days ago....we get a call from a nursing home.....they wanted my partner and i to "scare" a drunken resident in a wheel chair so he'll stop harrasing the staff......in return ....my partner and i informed them that the days of "the big bad police" scaring your kids or idiots are long gone....turn around and left......19p......these hospital's ....clinics and nursing home's with mental's will never have your back if it turns around and get physical.....
This is the craziest thing i have ever heard... do they have a secure lock box to secure your weapon? If they were so worried about weapons how did the suspect get one? If i were one of those officers i would of either coded the job or walked back to the car, pretended to secure my weapon and put it in the cargo pants pocket. Everyone in illinois has stupid rules ( no concealed carry, taxes, residency rules, ect. ) that are going to kill or hurt people.
just another day in crooked illinois!
sure you can get my gun...it's gonna be hot, empty and in slide lock...but you can get it
This insane crap is not just happening in 020, it is occurring everywhere there is a boss looking out for him/herself for their next merit promotion. Example: E.R. from B&A actually tried to tell bomb techs trained to defuse bombs how they were gonna do it and what equipment they should use to speed things along. Why? Cause his boss T.S. was there and didn't want to look bad. Then he physically pushes a tech out of the boss conference so he wouldn't hear the obvious BS coming. UNBELIEVABLE! I was not shocked but disappointed. The B&A guys did a great job and then had to wait an extra hour for their boss' show to end.
I seriously doubt this happen.
Domestic violence court alert!
When you surrender your weapon make sure you walk through the County Officer's office to the elevators.
If not, you are walking in an unsecured area without your gun.
how bout this one, last night in 015 the park car asks for help and when everyone arrives there is a naked man jumping on their hood as they sat in their car doing nothing, then as everyone else went hands on they walked away and refused to do anything, most worthless car i have ever seen
I/f,153,016.
8/25/2011 12:52:00 AM
Hi, HB! :)
A lot of ignorant people on this job think that clouted officers get on specialized combat teams because of just using phone calls. Not true. The brass pays attention to the officers that are adept at being able to physically take down 5 offenders on their own. Someone like me, a master of Greco-Roman wrestling and fifteen time black belt, quickly gained the attention of the white shirts when I was a brand new pup out of the academy.
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Dude I didn't know arrogance was a side effect of smoking dope. And the only ignorant people your refering to are the ones that believe your fantasy show
You never know? One day he might even make the Strike Team, and become a 'under cover car ridin', court hoggin', arrest stealin', contact card writing son of a gun!'
Wooooooooooooooooooooo!
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I understand you're purposely posting inflammatory remarks to incite the crowd..... but please stop referencing Ric Flair. You already did it once with the "diamonds are forever" bit, but yet again you're trying to be clever using his lines. Work on new material, broseph.
Attn: 1:21AM:
I think that you are the person the hospital called about.
I have a hard time believing this. No cop could be that stupid . Please attempt to verifiy.
You are as much the "Real PO" as you are willing to be. If this had gone badly, the Sgt. would be to blame. If you want service it will be delivered, but you are not in charge. If you are in charge, then you don't need the police.
I think the problem here is that some of us are too afraid to "Nineteen Paul". "We can't nineteen paul this or nineteen paul that cuz what if..." Oh please.
You won't let me in because I have a gun. Nineteen Paul the motherfuckin job and tell them to have a nice day
Everyone was taught how to defend themselves in the academy in order to take down an offender. Remember to use the fierce open handed strikes along with tactical arm bar take downs and atomic elbow drops. Guns are nice, but like a relationship with ones parents, you must learn to separate from them and be a man on your own.
A lot of ignorant people on this job think that clouted officers get on specialized combat teams because of just using phone calls. Not true. The brass pays attention to the officers that are adept at being able to physically take down 5 offenders on their own. Someone like me, a master of Greco-Roman wrestling and fifteen time black belt, quickly gained the attention of the white shirts when I was a brand new pup out of the academy.
If this story is true, hopefully the officer was able to conduct himself in a proffesional manner in front of his Sgt.
You never know? One day he might even make the Strike Team, and become a 'under cover car ridin', court hoggin', arrest stealin', contact card writing son of a gun!'
Wooooooooooooooooooooo!
Peace. Word is bond.
8/25/2011 01:21:00 AM
I am not sure what academy you attended but recruits were never trained to use open hand tactics against a man with a gun. You can take your greco roman bullshit and shove it. A 9mm will quickly equalize the battle. Who cares about being professional in front of a white shirt? When you say "pup" did you mean a "dog"? 15 degree bullshit.
I worked in 018 and yrs ago Northwestern Hosp had the same policy with theit mental wards.No guns allowed.Got a Sgt. with balls to respond.Docs said No guns.(man w/a gun call) Sgt said No guns? No police.19 Paul.NW beefed to D/C.D/C said No guns? No police.Sue us asswipe.After that we could go in with AR47s
Exactly! I'd 19p it and leave. NO WAY am I giving up my gun when responding to a job.
Let's not ferget, it was a "mental" who killed one of our officers not too long ago. If they need our help, they better adhere to our RULES. Otherwise, we can wait outside, while they deal with the offender.
DO NOT PUT YOUR LIFE IN HARM'S WAY UNNECESSARILY, THINK OF YOUR FAMILY FIRST!
Let the hospital's security go inside, while we watch their weapons. When they come out with the offender(s), we cuff and proceed according to our rules.
Omg, that's is the dumbist thing I ever heard of...
I refused, and turned away only to see a fng about to untie his shoe laces....unbelieveable.
8/25/2011 04:21:00 AM
What's a 'fng'?
So, assuming it wasn't a bogus call, how did the mutant get the gun into the "secure" unit? Let me guess... he wasn't wearing it out in the open on a duty belt. What a bunch of maroons...
Man with gun=police with gun. But, lock ward is like a lock up, state law no guns/weapons.
Common sense, not just following rules should have governed this one.
8/25/2011 05:40:00 AM
Common sense is non-existant in an liberal society.
We got a new sgt on the southside that codes out the bullshit hospital jobs, tells dispatcher 'that's a hospital security issue not a police matter'. Most of us are glad, this hospital calls all day for bs that should never hit the board. The dogs ain't happy. They don't mind staying down for an hour on belligerent patient calls.
I work in the 20th District and know the Sgt. in question well. He is a stand up guy who would never do anything to hurt a PO. After reading the report, it clearly states that once on the scene officers were met by hospital staff who stated to them that they had to lock up their weaponds at which time the Sgt. flat out said NO......
I am a suburban cop and we have a mental hospital in town. We used to get called there every once in a while for an out of control patient or something along those lines. Each time we would go they tell us we have to check our guns and each time we outright refuse to the point where the Watch Commander now responds to all calls at the hospital. After we told them we wouldn't check our guns, they refused us access to the facility. We documented that refusal and cleared.
Guess what, they don't call anymore.
If the Sgt and Officer turned over or checked their guns, shame on them. They should both know better.
O.T. 19 of 50 slain police killed in ambushes
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-08-25/19-of-50-slain-police-killed-in-ambushes/50138148/1
Maybe just maybe this has contributed to an increase in police related shootings. Attempted assassinations of police officers across this country are on the rise.
Be Safe
Unbelievable. The five years I had to see patients at the ER or police stations (5 total) - I felt a hell of a lot safer at the station, even if interviewing in the holding cell. Guy in ER - throwing off his leathers and giving me the look - damn ER security have their thumbs up their asses. Geez. Glad I'm out.
--No Cop Here
I understand you're purposely posting inflammatory remarks to incite the crowd..... but please stop referencing Ric Flair. You already did it once with the "diamonds are forever" bit, but yet again you're trying to be clever using his lines. Work on new material, broseph.
8/25/2011 02:02:00 PM
Damn, you said "broseph" that's my line. Stop stealing my sayings. I have a patent on that term damn it!!!!
I'll give you my gun when you take it from my cold, dead hands!!!!!
The producers of the "deadliest warrior" need to come in and evaluate who is the deadliest cpd warrior - tact, geu, tru, msf, 06 incident car or strike force. Chip in if I missed one
8/25/2011 08:58:00
CAPS officer. desk dolly, one of the four watch secretaries per watch, p.o. assigned as the crossing guard supervisor, the copper in the the bright plain clothes that nobody knows her name or what she does but is always walking around the station. Shall i go on?
Anonymous said...
how bout this one, last night in 015 the park car asks for help and when everyone arrives there is a naked man jumping on their hood as they sat in their car doing nothing, then as everyone else went hands on they walked away and refused to do anything, most worthless car i have ever seen
8/25/2011 12:48:00 PM
Do something about it. Make them do the work and make the arrest. Why didn't a white shirt supervise them? Complaining on the blog is a waste of time.
To the Two Posters asking the question:
"What's FNG"
It's Military Shorthand for "FUCKING NEW GUY"
SOUND LIKE SGT'S WITH NO BALLS SYNDROME AGAIN.
SCARED TO MAKE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION AND PUTTING THE OFFICER LIVES IN DANGER.
TO MUCH COLLEGE ON THIS JOB NOW!
CAN I HAVE 5 HOURS ON THE END AND TAKE MY LUNCH AND 2 PERSONALS?
Heartgrove is the same way. No guns allowed in their wards. They want you to check it at the desk. The phone girl will put it in her drawer.
8/25/2011 10:42:00 AM
And that's why I tell them flat out I will wait with the patient at the door going to the back until their security staff shows up to take possession of him. I told them flat out I will not relinquish my firearm under any circumstances. They didn't look pleased but they complied. NEVER GIVE UP YOUR WEAPON UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!
My wife went into labor while
I was on duty. I got to NW and was told that I had to give my gun to the civilian security guard because "we all know crazy cops". I told them that I would then have to arrest him for a UUW.
Just curious but whats the hostage response team suppose to do in this situation ? If it comes down to a man holding the fine doctor at gun point is the hostage response team entering without their weapons.......
This sounds like one of those stories that starts out, when originally told by the people who were there, as a pretty benign situation but by the time it's been filtered through about 30 ears and reaches the blog stage, it turns into something wild and completely different.
Although it makes you think, if you were on a call like that and were instructed to give up your weapons, how would you know that the patients hadn't taken over the ward already, and the guy you were relinquishing your weapon to was one of them?
Sounds like something got lost in the translation, though.
Sue us asswipe.After that we could go in with AR47s
8/25/2011 03:03:00 PM
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Is that a new hybrid weapon? A cross between an AR15 and an AK47? Maybe you made a typo.
FNG is a Fucking New Guy.
JAFO is Just A Fucking Observer.
Cranky old bastard is me.
think about this, where ever you go look around for a minute. there are fire hoses, fire alarms, fire extinguishers, etc. everything for an off duty firefighter to do his/her job. then look around again where are the tools of the trade to help us police? if we dont bring them there are none. NEVER give up your firearm!!!! carry everywhere, the life you save might be yours or a loved one. as usual ladies and gents be careful, shoot straight and make home for the loved ones every night
I am not sure what academy you attended but recruits were never trained to use open hand tactics against a man with a gun. You can take your greco roman bullshit and shove it. A 9mm will quickly equalize the battle. Who cares about being professional in front of a white shirt? When you say "pup" did you mean a "dog"? 15 degree bullshit.
8/25/2011 02:50:00 PM
Dude, lighten up. He's being sarcastic. Take a day off once in a while.
Prayers to our Bros on the C.F.D. that were seriously injured at 70th and Justine. You ARE THE BEST.
Ranger T.S. said...
I don't even carry a gun when I'm in a beat car in Englewood. Once I had to twist a guy's ball sack right off!!! I swear.....I'll do it again!!!!
8/25/2011 10:10:00 AM
you were rdo, right?
What's a 'fng'?
8/25/2011 03:53:00 PM
you.
Peace. Word is bond.
8/25/2011 01:21:00 AM
apparently, the Ultimate Tact Warrior has a bastard offspring.
is it a boy, a girl, or a hybrid?
Many people in security positions or places of "authority" are little more than robots. They are told "do this but don't do that" and they are expected to comply by their employer. They don't want them making independent decisions that require common sense, because many don't possess that quality.
More than once, I had to slap the cuffs on doormen in the high rises on and around Michigan Avenue in 018. These goofs would say they couldn't buzz us in without permission of the resident... this while we were going to serve a search warrant!
Duh!
Relax everyone, Sgt Sachs handled it the right way. Who is the DOPE who posted this BS?
Good for you Sgt. Sacks !
To everyone crying about giving up a sidearm, the CPD doesnt have any Tazers? A tazer will incapacitate a threat alot quicker than a bullet. If you cant get a guy in cuffs who is being repeatedly tazed than you may want to get a job as a security guard at Bestbuy.
They must be craaaaaaazzzzzy !
We got a new sgt on the southside that codes out the bullshit hospital jobs, tells dispatcher 'that's a hospital security issue not a police matter'. Most of us are glad, this hospital calls all day for bs that should never hit the board. The dogs ain't happy. They don't mind staying down for an hour on belligerent patient calls.
8/25/2011 05:07:00 PM
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Well itsn't this along the lines of the Chicago Public Schools Safety and Security Section.
Why do they have paid security guards working for the CPS and the CPD has to respond to jobs in those schools.
Shouldn't their highly paid security being handling those jobs????
FNG is military slang from Vietnam, maybe even before...
F*&%$ing (fill in the blanks)
New
Guy
Referring to guys fresh in Vietnam who aint know diddley bop
I refused, and turned away only to see a fng about to untie his shoe laces....unbelieveable.
8/25/2011 04:21:00 AM
What's a 'fng'?
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Fucking New Guy!
To all you fucking new guys, stop asking what fng means.
What's a 'fng'?
8/25/2011 03:53:00 PM
You are, J.A.F.O.
From a troll: I would rather not believe that a SINGLE CPD officer would give up their gun under any circumstances. WTF do you mean they checked their guns? You lock up whatever jag off demanded you do that on a municipal DO charge. Let the asshole explain to the judge he was not disorderly when he tried to disarm a police officer by talking him out of his gun. Jumping Jesus. And if there is more than one jag off there as I suspect, call a wagon and load it up.
Regarding Childrens Memorial, I had similar experience. I was asked by desk girl if I was on duty, while I was standing in front of her in uniform. When I responded I was on duty and laughed, she responded that it was ok for me to be armed then. wtf..
Kudos to you Jeff Sacks for telling the hospital "No." Under absolutely NO circumstances give up your gun at a crime call. If the FOP had any balls they'd challenge the no guns at court thing too. What's the judge going to do - throw a gavel at the armed offender?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just a couple of days ago....we get a call from a nursing home.....they wanted my partner and i to "scare" a drunken resident in a wheel chair so he'll stop harrasing the staff......in return ....my partner and i informed them that the days of "the big bad police" scaring your kids or idiots are long gone....turn around and left......19p......these hospital's ....clinics and nursing home's with mental's will never have your back if it turns around and get physical.....
8/25/2011 11:26:00 AM
No shit! Just ask Cozzi.
These jagoff security guards should be locked up for obstructing an officer if they ever get in a copper's way.
Anonymous said...
how bout this one, last night in 015 the park car asks for help and when everyone arrives there is a naked man jumping on their hood as they sat in their car doing nothing, then as everyone else went hands on they walked away and refused to do anything, most worthless car i have ever seen
8/25/2011 12:48:00 PM
Why didn't you guys just leave? Or, after putting the nekkid due in custody, but him in thier car...and then leave?
Why did you do that? He gets no report. Get it? NO REPORT! God damn we've become such pussies.
8/25/2011 08:25:00 AM
Because after explaining that very thing to her several times, it was obvious that she was too scared to tell him that.
I cannot believe that I have not read one comment that stated we should make an arrest. If I was on that call I would inform the staff that if they did not open the door for me I would 1. get it open the hard way, and 2. once I get in there and finish answering this call of a man with a gun you will be going to jail for obstruction. We are the fucking police people. Act like it. It is our responsibility to ensure the safety of the people inside regardless of it being a psych ward. There could be some accountability upon leaving. Besides I would love to see the look on their face when I hit that door with a ram. Priceless.
OLD SCHOOL
Dude I didn't know arrogance was a side effect of smoking dope. And the only ignorant people your refering to are the ones that believe your fantasy show
8/25/2011 01:46:00 PM
am not sure what academy you attended but recruits were never trained to use open hand tactics against a man with a gun. You can take your greco roman bullshit and shove it. A 9mm will quickly equalize the battle. Who cares about being professional in front of a white shirt? When you say "pup" did you mean a "dog"? 15 degree bullshit.
8/25/2011 02:50:00 PM
Oh for crying out loud! You 2 seriously can't when someone is blowing smoke up your ass? That's sad, really sad...
Sgt. J. Sacks, Unit 020 said...
I'm the Sergeant that responded. We did not disarm ourselves as requested by the less than helpful Chicago Lakeshore Hospital staff. Officer safety first. Hell, I carry way to many weapons and would have filled several of their lockers. 19-Paul no, but a case report was prepared. I made complaints to the CPD's Legal Affairs, the Illinois Department of Public Health and the Joint Commission about the Hospital's failure to secure their staff phone from psychotic patients, lack of staff assistance to the responding officers, and the Hospital's policy of requesting the police to disarm. Note to any officer having business with the Chicago Lakeshore Hospital staff - many staffers appear hostile to the police. Use caution and stay safe. Lakeshore can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands (well actually not the firearms are willed to my kids) .
8/25/2011 08:33:00 AM
Thanks for clearing this up, Sarg. Glad to hear you did the right thing!
Well itsn't this along the lines of the Chicago Public Schools Safety and Security Section.
Why do they have paid security guards working for the CPS and the CPD has to respond to jobs in those schools.
Shouldn't their highly paid security being handling those jobs????
8/25/2011 10:16:00
Should be but they want junior locked up for anything and everything. And since the principals run the dept. now they speed dial the commander and get their way.
To everyone crying about giving up a sidearm, the CPD doesnt have any Tazers? A tazer will incapacitate a threat alot quicker than a bullet. If you cant get a guy in cuffs who is being repeatedly tazed than you may want to get a job as a security guard at Bestbuy.
8/25/2011 10:01:00 PM
You're a fool. Go back to writing editorials for The Final Call and leave this discussion to adults.
Nothing to add-I laughed my ass of at some of the responses. Disarm and then go chase a man with a gun down the halls????? hahahaha, what fuckin' idiots some of these "medical professionals" can be. Educated idiots.
I was with retired detective bernatek from A2VC in a simil;ar situation going to interview an offender and victim in a hospital. The hospital security guard told bernatek we would have to check our weaons before going on the ward. He politely told her that we werent checking our weapons. . He also stated that he is a po on duty and it wasn't going to happen. Bernatek then told the guard to get the fuck out of the room when we interviewed 2 people. We promptly went in and did our jobs. Screw anyone that makes you check your weapon out on the street doing police work.
To everyone crying about giving up a sidearm, the CPD doesnt have any Tazers? A tazer will incapacitate a threat alot quicker than a bullet.
OK, troll ( I pray you are not CPD), you show up at a gun fight with a taser, let me know how it went.
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