Expired Equipment
We were taking an inventory of our personal gear and discovered what some of our readers have already noted in the comment sections:
- Gas mask filters have an expiration date
And we'll give you two guesses as to how many people we work with are noticing the exact same thing. Here's a hint:
- all of them
But there's no need to worry boys and girls. We also talked to a friend of ours who related that there are no plans to use OC or CS gas downtown at any point during the G-8/NATO event. One of the most potent riot control devices we have is completely off the table. The reason? It would look bad on TV and remind people of 1968.
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posted by SCC at 8:01 AM
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How many cops wear expired vests? I've seen some with the same vest they got hired with over 10 years ago.
Please check out George Schmidt's piece on Substance News about a night without gun violence: "Rahm touts crime drop." Hilarious
http://substancenews.net/articles.php?page=2999§ion=Article
High Ho High Ho it's a lootin I 'll be goin. High Ho High Ho it's looting I'll be goin. Lordy lordy christmas in may and I'm plannin now makin me list becuse I've been so good!
Intensified Verbal Judo classes will now be available on
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Despite massive tax hike IL still billions in debt?
Where did the money go? Stolen? Feds?
A friend also said that Inspectors will always be assigned full time to any MFF function. In May and in the future. Can you imagine CW breathing down your neck when trying to stop thousands of protestors? Another reason not to join!
We need to be careful here or Chicago is going to burn like LA did in the 90's. While the protesters may start it, just like with the L.A. riots bangers will spread it and take advantage of any lapse in police attention to cause complete anarchy.
Crappy decisions like this are going to get some police killed.
You have a gas mask?!?!
I'm still trying to replace my helmet from the 68 riots!
The gas mask filters are expired as well as the gas that we bought for the TABD. No plans to buy more gas or mask filters. Where did the 65mil that we got from the feds go?
The CPD may not have plans to use CS or other gasses, but the protesters might have other ideas.
SCC said...
"But there's no need to worry boys and girls. We also talked to a friend of ours who related that there are no plans to use OC or CS gas downtown at any point during the G-8/NATO event. One of the most potent riot control devices we have is completely off the table. The reason? It would look bad on TV and remind people of 1968."
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Gee, I hope the anarchist protesters are aware of these rules and don't bring their own chemical sprays or gas emitting projectiles, because then we'd just look stupidly out equipped when we are unable to fight fire with fire.
It's beginning to sound more and more like the Raccoon 9.5 thinks he can erase all of the old "Police Riot" footage in the 1968 news archives and replace them with tender new Chicago Police images that he hopes will help him win the 2016 nomination for the White House!
Unfortunately, when all this shit blows up and hits the fan and is out of control, WE will be the ones to suffer for it and not the Raccoon.
Over the past few days with all the talk about the G8/NATO summit ramping up, I have been sitting here and giving it some thought. Not that my thoughts matter, but I figured I would share.
I won’t rehash most of the stuff guys and girls have already pointed out. Yes the equipment we have sucks, no we shouldn’t have to buy our own gear, the training instructors and training course is good but not enough (three day course). Helmets, gear, training and, mostly, the incompetence of the nitwits in charge (I almost said “leading”LOL) etc. all very good points indeed. But now we need to start getting our minds in the right place.
Let’s look at and break it down. We know from past precedent that this is going to be like nothing else this city has seen for over four decades. This isn’t going to be like the Bulls “celebrations,” or the DNC circa ’96, or the war protests. This is an international event that is going to attract a whole different class of asshats that we have never had to deal with at our level. Get your head around that pronto.
The city is guess-timating that 10,000 protestors are going to show. Protest related websites are calling for 500,000 people to show. So, based on common sense and the law of averages, we should expect somewhere in between those numbers. I am taking 125,000 in the pool. So now let’s break that down. Based on the 125,000 number, according to the CDP training guys, 3% - 5% of those people will be bent on causing damage and committing violence. So, that puts the number of violent protestors near the 5000 – 7000 person range. And they are going to be our problem.
Whether we like it or not many of us are going to be out there on the frontlines of this thing. We are going to be hands on with people and getting in the shit. And that means we have a responsibility to ourselves to make sure we take care of our own. We all know that no one else is going to take care of us, so we will do what we do best and take care of ourselves.
While it sucks that the powers that be have decided to be on the cheap about this, that doesn’t mean you need to be unsafe. Yes, you are going to end up spending some money for shit you need to keep yourself, and your partners, safe, but it is what it is.
Make sure that if you have turtle gear it is in good condition. Make sure the straps work and it still fits properly. Make sure your helmet fits snugly. Make the necessary adjustments to get it to where it is comfortable for hours on end. Make sure that you have good boots and extra bdu’s. Go through your gear bag and make sure all the pieces that you want are there, and if they aren’t, replace them. Start doing this now. May is only 4 months away and it will be here in no time.
Start stockpiling water, granola bars and bandaids. Curlex tape, dish soap, laundry detergent, foot powder will come in handy, so everyone on the team start chipping in and getting this stuff together. (I would hope most of these supplies are self explanatory, as to their relevance.) Batteries for whatever flashlight you use, maybe a pocket tool like a leatherman or the likes. All this needs to be had before the shit hits the fan, because once it does, you won’t have time to go find it, or you will be too exhausted to care.
There is going to be all kinds of stuff flying through the air, bags of shit and urine, rocks, ball bearings, pop bottles and cans, and Lord knows what else. Make sure you have everything covered that you want to protect. Buy a groin protector and a throat protector (the one that came with the old turtle gear blows), to protect those vital areas. Have a good set of gloves or two to protect your hands. Get some safety glasses, and wear them under your face shield, just in case. And maybe consider something to wear on your head, under your helmet, that will protect your ears, even if just from getting stuff in them.
Hell’s bells, I could go on all day listing this stuff, stuff the department isn’t even thinking about, but we, the grunts on the ground, must think about. Ultimately it is our safety that is on the line out there and we are going to have to take matters into our own hands to make sure we walk away from this thing safely. Start making your list, check off an item or two everyday. Make sure you are looking out for you and your team mates. The most important thing is to go home safely. Good luck, God’s speed and let’s be careful out there.
A Sgt who hopes his people see as a leader.
Don't worry friends, we will have several grenadiers on hand to quell any sort of uprising.
Move Back, Move Back!
Aldo Raine
People should be reminded of 68.maybe, just maybe, then they will wise up and let the police take back control of the streets and do real police work and put a real dent in crime and violence.....although I doudt it
No use of CS gas? Lets see how long this politically correct sissy attitude will last after they start the multiple arsons,looting of Chicago. London burned for 5-7 days before the police were allowed to do their jobs.
That and it would get into the air intakes of the large buildings. I am sure the protesters won't be using anything.
When is FOP going to post there endorsements? COuld SCC post it as well?
But nothing stops them from using it on us. Who the fuck is running the show?
Did anyone tell the protesters that?
They are recruiting chem students here to help mix "coctails" for the police that would involve gas and or other nasty stuff.
In addition, does the dept have enough small fire extingushers for moltov coctails and the like?
Each offficer should have at least one.
Not to mention that those blue helmets they give us, which are essentially motorcycle helmets, only have a lifespan of five years. most manufacturers of motorcycle helmets recommend that you replace your helmet every five years because the material that protects your noggin deteriorates after five years
68 has nothing to do with it. A lot of the buildings get their ventilatiion at ground level. This would cause some of the buildings to have to evacuate .
At the tier 1 training and review training classes they said that the city will not be authorized to use gas or OC.
They also said not to worry because the expiration don't really mean much. All it means is that they will work but they won't work for as long. They are normally meant to last for 24 hours (or something like that) of continuous use but since they are expired they will only work for something less than that.
Well, if an order is given not to use CS, CN, or Pepper then that just allows you to use the next step up in the use of force, and that much closer to layin down some lead.
Seeing the demographics of the normal protesters for these type events, 1968 won't mean anything to them.
1968 was 44 years ago, I think everyone can move on.
i worked the to-spot overtime yesterday for the first time. i was told that our dept issued radios would not work in the subway today. this dept is truly a joke!
....and with the cost of gasoline, especially since Obama took office, the hurling of molotov cocktails with be replaced by a more greener product, bullshit.
Was the federal grant already spent or diverted to the DNC?
YOUR SAFETY is not a Department concern. Since the revised medical policy, I'm certain we'll be given special waivers for riot injuries.
You hard chargers and reverse seniority guys are FUCKED !
I/F. KMA
Check this video out...We are so fucked here come May..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkZvtGCh5YA&feature=related
We can't use gas. But protesters can. Hmmmmm????
Today I saw a uniformed PO working the parking lot of Pete's Produce on 87th and Loomis. I saw no car, just him in uniform guarding the store.
The G8/NATO instructors are telling everyone in class that the expiration does not matter, its that they have a 24 hour life after they are used the first time( Save money and put out BS is what this is called). It is also said we will not use gas. Lets say that is true what happens when the protesters use gas? With a expired gas and no gas. Guess who is better prepare?
we're going to stop 300,000 people with kind words, don't you know - that's Garry's new way of policing. same goes for outdoor roll calls, seat belt, curfew and contact card missions. Man, I can't tell you how much I love being the police in Chicago
The City and the Department are going to use the bullshit excuse that they don’t want to risk the OC getting into the ventilation systems of the downtown buildings. It’s a public safety concern they’ll say. OC, if disbursed in volume (such as to control a riotous crowd) will linger in the air and be sucked into the air intakes of the surrounding buildings… Well, here’s a friggin idea- have the City event planners notify all of the building operations staff that during the period of 18 May through 22 May they should shut down the ventilation system during that period or at minimum remain aware of the crowd situation in the vicinity of their facility and be prepared to perform an emergency shutdown of the system to avoid circulating the OC through their facility. After all, there is a riot outside. Instead, they risk the lives of the police by ensuring they don’t have the tools to do the job.
If you all remember, back in mid-May 2011 the Department issued an order to have all of the Districts and Units send all of their MK90 OC Dispensers back to the Academy because they were about to expire, and they would replace them with a fresh supply. Has anyone had theirs replaced? Hang on- I have to stop laughing… Ok, so it appeared that the Department was looking out for the wellbeing of the troops and replacing old, outdated, expired, damaged or potentially ineffective equipment and were going to be reissuing a fresh supply. Oh the tears—I’m laughing so hard! So it appears in reality that the Department actually collected all of the supply of large volume OC dispensers in advance of the anticipated G8/Nato riots so that we won’t have them to use. Ok, back to my original statement, they are going to use the bullshit excuse that they don’t want to risk the OC getting into the ventilation systems of the downtown buildings. For anyone not paying attention that meant that in order to ensure the police officers are ill-equipped for the situation, they caused the officers in the Districts to go the entire summer without the proper equipment to control the summertime drunk and violent street parties in the ghetto.
Be prepared for the “official” statement to come out as soon as someone from the media questions his wannabe highness Mr. Emanuel or his puppet dummy Mcstupid. “We cannot allow our officers to utilize a tool that that may put the health of the individuals who work in an area where there may be a crowd control situation(not riot) at risk, therefore we have decided not to allow them to use the OC spray and are looking at alternatives that are better suited for the situation.” Damn, I’m good. I can hear the bullshit now! The alternative? Don’t club them, don’t spray them, don’t taze them. Don’t verbally abuse them, don’t infringe on their 1st Amendment or any other “right”, and don’t lose your temper when they throw piss, shit and firebombs at you. I guess all that is left is brute manual force. And of course, that is only if they have put the health or wellbeing of a citizen or another police officer in extreme risk. Otherwise, I guess the City wants us to let them burn, break and steal everything. We can only interpret their actions to the best of our understanding. Ok… you took our tools away so, this is what we are forced to do. Just watch and issue stern warnings, you are professional observers. Watch for the official statement- C’mon media, somebody have the balls to ask so you can see we know what we are talking about.
I don't even have a gas mask... How about shields for the helmets? SCC, I went down to equipment and supplies at 35th street and requested a new shield/cover for my helmet and was told they do not have any. and they don't know if they're going to have them by time g8. Just awful!
something to think about when g-8 comes to town:
the city needs us now more than ever.
1) when was the last time this city bargained in good faith with us?
2) our last contract was 10% for five years.
3) they are ill prepared to handle this summit, if this goes south there will be hell to pay politically, for rahm and obama.
4) this will be the biggest challenge this dept has faced since '68, its a whole different time now. i think we are in trouble.
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I remember buying some stuff from that Pauly guy in 023 many moons ago. I think the official CPD issue was 3M Scoville units. Pauly's was 15M!!!! Wonder if he's still around...*laughs maniacally*
You want to bet the powers that be will not use CS gas if the anarchists try to destroy the Magnificent Mile?
If the city is unable to control this Rahm may be history.
If the protesters want to sleep in the park I say let them - South of McCormick Place with their brothers in the movement.
TRP
What the department fails to realize is that ten years ago you would've had tons of volunteers for this mff even with having to come out of your own pocket. Because back then a lot of people were happy to come to work and to go the extra mile because there were at least some competent bosses still on this job that treated u good and even most of the dum ones would at least back you. Now you can't name one boss that could lead a boy scout troop. It would be nice to see no one volunteer for this just to send a message. But you will always have idiots that act like company men no natter what. One day they will learn just like the rest.
It would look bad on TV and remind people of 1968.
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1968 forever blackened the reputation of Chicago and its police department. it does not matter much who started it, or why. it got out of control and looked bad on TV, what little got on TV.
most citizens think the job of the police is to act to reduce the level of violence in such situations. not go around beating heads and making it worse as most believe happened in 1968. fairly or not, history has judged what happened in 1968 and the judgment does not reflect very well on Chicago or the Chicago PD.
this time around everything will be on video. every little interaction with a potential rioter.
there is potential for the department and the city to look really bad. other cities have hosted it in the US and have done remarkably well. that means it can be handled. whether Chicago and its police department is up to the task is the only real question. and the answer may not come until afterward.
if it gets out of control, chances are that CPD will get a fair share of the blame for it. maybe that blame is fair, maybe not. that is just the way things are.
not a cop.
Anonymous said...
Not to change the subject BUT
Did you know that the FOP agreed to allow the city to change the watch assignments of all personnel, Detectives & PO's who have their units disbandsed. Chief Tom Byrne told the Unit & Watch Reps of the Detective Division (Area 4 & 5) that the watch assignments picked before transferring to another area will be honored at their new assignment. R.A. of the FOP signed off to allow the city change the watch assignments in order to balance the assignments of the watches.
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU WORKING FOR, RICH!!!!!
A disgrunted officer.
1/19/2012 08:16:00 PM
The Tribune stated in today's edition that Occupy Chicago just got two new offices at the business incubator at 300 W Cermak and will be using one as a SELF DEFENSE ACADEMY. Self defense against who the police?
And at G8 training they told you your filters are expired and you will have to go down and get your replacement..ummmm why would they have them at the training??
Expiration on gas mask filters isn't like the expiration on milk.
They're a passive mechanical device. There are a couple things that could go wrong in theory, but for the most part, it's one of those 'gear optimization' protocols where the infinite dollars of governments can afford to be ridiculous. Wouldn't surprise me if at some point along the way, the entire concept of canisters expiring resulted from some connected NATO contractor who makes them.
Expired Irritant Filter (small one with purple sticker) will still work fine when expired. Make sure you are clean-shaven if you anticipate using your mask so you get a good seal. Find a recent military vet in your district to help you out...
Along with expired equipment, how many officers actually maintain their weapons? Change out their ammo?
Sure the protestors have no plans to use chemical agents....
SO it's totally okay with Mayor Emanuel, the City Council, the folks that run the Police Dept that we all have expired filters for our masks? The reason? Because we have no plans to use the gases. Wellllll, here's a thought for you. What if the protesters/rioters decide to use it? No one's thought of that one huh? Seriously this city has become a huge joke. It's so bad all you can do is just shake your head. Why aren't our local reporters all over this kind of stuff? If our local media ever decided to go after the city and start reporting on all the goofy things going on, they would have headline stories for the next year. What the hell happened to this city in the last decade??? Or even just the last 5 years. We have really gone down the $hitter. It's really sad.
I'm sure the protesters won't either since that will make them look bad
Let THEM run rampant the first day.
Let THEM have their moment on TV and You-Tube smashing windows on Michigan Avenue, setting fires and tormenting citizens on the streets and in the offices of the corporations on LaSalle Street. Let THEM beat up news crews and reporters.
Let THEM get that on TV as we wait and let the public outrage grow and demand we take back the streets.
Let McCarthy be really embarrassed by this and say something stupid; it may be our best chance of dumping this goof.
Then it's... "Cry Havoc! And let loose the dogs of war!"
Why are so many people so concerned about G8? you have got to be crazy to stress as much as it sounds like people are.
1. This department does not give a shit about any one of us.
2. 99% of the protesters hate us. They don't know a single one of us but hate us because of the job we have.
3. The "leaders" that will be coming to town do not care about us.
Are we really worried about the training or are we bitching just to give the city a hard time? All we need to do is look out for one another. If these jagoffs get out of hand and vandalize the city....so be it. Do what you can but first and foremost watch each others back.
as far as gas masks go....no need to worry. WE WILL NOT LAUNCH GAS DOWNTOWN NO MATTER WHAT. That decision has already been made. The people running the show have one concern.....$$$$
The city knows if assholes damage property guess what happens....the building owner makes an insurance claim. Cost to the city...$ZERO!!
Give 1000 P.O.'s 40mm guns, shotguns with sock rounds and rubber bullets, and hand out gas masks....cost to the city....HUGE. Just look at Boston when the girl was killed by a "less lethal" round to the eye...how much did the city pay out? The training, the gear, and the lawsuits all add up. Deb Kirby isn't a police officer....she's more like an insurance adjuster for the city trying to figure out the cheapest way to pull this thing off so the city can pocket as much G money as possible.
Instead we should all be FUMING about the ward remapping. Why is it that the city wants all departments to make CUTS yet the aldermen are not? Wouldn't this be the perfect time to REDUCE the number of wards?? It's like a family where the children are starving and the parents are dying of obesity. The kids are eating baloney and the parents have Filet. But that's right, keep worrying about what will happen come May.
But there's no need to worry boys and girls. We also talked to a friend of ours who related that there are no plans to use OC or CS gas downtown at any point during the G-8/NATO
That is not what they said at training.
Advance and hug,advance and hug!
How about using military flame throwers. Scorch the news media at the same time as the protestors and the public won't see a thing. Just a thought.
OT and UNREAL. I will keep this brief. 26th cal Thurs rm 702 Judge Ford 1st time up Agg UUW...ASA agrees clean case no wrinkles. Prob tells us off. 1st time arrested Hon discharge from army but hanging out on corner at 63 Rockwell no where near where he lives. Judge tells her "work it out Im not sending this guy to prison for a year because he made a mistake". She still goes forward...I tesify for maybe 7 mins no problems. His lawyer doesn't even cross examine me and no other witnesses. Judge Ford finds him NOT guilty. A 20 yr veteran of CPD slaps a guy and gets 2 yrs in prison but this guy gets a free pass and basically told its ok for UUW and running from the police. Liberal Fuckers.....Sully 008th Dist 1st watch
That doesn't mean they won't be using those types of agents
I was told that I'd get a new one when they did the fit test last year. You can guess whether or not that actually happened.
So looking bad is more important than officer safety, complete ass hats!!! IOD here I come, fuck it I'll swallo my pride this once.
Well hey, the "dignitaries" are here. Martial law and no-one is allowed to be in the streets except for the "dignitaries"!
Hell that's all you have to do. Pass another damn city ordinance.
I'm pretty sure the alderman will sign on to rubber stamp whatever hizzhonor proposes.
This is for your safety. Oh and let's not forget it's for the Chiiiildren. Pffft.
Remember the DIGNITARIES are here!
Serve and protect the DIGNITARIES.
OR...I'll tell you what.
Fricken ridiculous b.s. I mean really let's be serious about crime prevention and protection of our citizens. You want to do crime prevention?
Then DON'T BRING THE DIGNITARIES HERE THAT ATTRACT THE CRIMES AND ENDANGER THE PEOPLE HERE!!!.
That's all. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.
If this was a gang leader summit it would not be tolerated and to many of the middle class people the DIGNITARIES are nothing more than gang leaders.
IF the primary purpose of the CPD is to protect its citizens and prevent crimes instead of react to crimes then just don't do the summit here.
Why should it be accepted? We know the history of this event. Why are we all, the people of this community, accepting it?
To me it's all an unnecessary risk with no rewards.
Because the mayor says so and it's been planned? SO WHAT! Cancel it before people and property get hurt. We don't need the Crystal Ball Unit to tell us what is going to go down. If the mayor and the city leaders go forward and do this anyway and people get hurt in the process EACH AND EVERY one of the politicians that demanded it should be held accountable for their actions. NOT THE TAXPAYERS.
Yeah, we all go blindly forward like we MUST do it -- like suicide martyrs on a mission.
We make jokes and ridicule the religious fanatics -- oh look at the martyrs... how can those people be so stupid and backward to follow some mullahs directions?
Well look in the mirror my friends. It's crazy the way we all have been conditioned even to the point of putting our personal safety at risk for no reason.
so what happens when the "protesters' use it?
After the "protesters" bust up the city and all our equipment the Feds will be asked to replace these items. The city in their theivery will use the cash or misuse the cash on more flower pots. Will get zip. Good luck and be safe to all.
Yes, great, we don't 'plan' to use it. But what if the rioters - uh, protestors - use gas, oc spray, etc? Then what?
Would have been nice to have the STUFF you guys have now back in the late 60s early 70s. Be safe provide back up and check 6.
Retired wheel gunner
Who gives a shit how it looks on T.V. These are OUR streets, not the scumbag liberal one week visitors streets. If the city wants to give us expired equipment, sub-par protective gear, and take our powers to truly protect our city...OH WELL! I will sit back and watch these professional destruction crews break everything in sight and protect myself and my brothers and sisters in blue. The mayor invited this chaos, so let him deal with the aftermath of what he invited to our unprotected city. What's that manager of Macy's...all of your windows are broken? Sorry, the media and the politicians have tied the hands of the police. Here is your report # and you can send the bill to City Hall C/O Mayor Emmanuel, because he knew what these protesters do, and the destruction that they cause.
Learn the real reason why we cannot use OC spray. Logistical problems with office buildings in the loop. Maybe if FOP left their safe office and walked over to the academy and asked a few questions, the truth will come out. Hey Mike, the answers are at 13oo W. jackson. Talk to the trainers and learn the truth before you spread rumors.
Dear Carol Marin, In May from the 19th-22nd the City of Chicago and its Police and Fire Personnel are going to be injured, maimed and killed to advance one misguided,immoral assholes political aspirations. The lack of accountability by those inviting the unneccessary mayhem is a subject that if addressed now,could lessen the physical toll on all parties involved. . As the only JOURNALIST with the skill to elicit a response from this arrogant tyrant, we are begging you to force his hand. Please help not only us but the merchants,citizens and property that is going to be destroyed and simply ask WHY AND WHO PROFITS.
Ot. Good article in Kass today about a judicial candidate. With the last name of Degnan. Son of daleys right hand man Tim Degnan. Seems this guy has never even set foot in a court room. Ok maybe he will lose right. Well the funny things is is that Mike Madigan made every person that was running against him drop out. Including a guy that is presently a judge and has been for twenty years. So the next time you question an absolutely crazy verdict or sentence, here is a perfect example why. Gotta love chicago. Even justice is for sale for the right hand price here.
The real reason- air intake for the high rises are all on street level. Also the unpredictable wind pattern between buildings renders gas ineffective. Also air intake for subway is on the street.
Imagine u throw CS and the trained anarchist protester pops it down to the el tracks. Now you have a decon nightmare.
It's not just expired its nonexistent.
Not only is my mask's filter expired, but my 90's issued helmet's lining is starting to show the effects of time and age..dry rotting, with it's padding literally falling out.
does that surprise anyone?.....in the liberal, Democratic, land of fruits and nuts, socialistic, Obamaville....
Everybody knows this ship has sunk and McNuttcase and all the EXEMPTS are no better than the Italian sea captain who jumped into the life boat to save himself.
But one thing I do take solace in that is looming overhead..."SOLYNDRAGATE: Huge Email Dump Implicates Obama And Rahm." They fucked themselves and I got a front row seat and I am waiting for the shoe to drop.Somehow I bet Daley has a role in this scandal too.
Uh, reminding them of 1968 may be the only thing we have on our side. Let's not take it off the table just yet.
Now, if we could simply be assured that the PROTESTERS won't bring their own to use against US.... and, a message for the trolls here..
Many of us are cops. That are bitter. That complain. That are unorganized. HOWEVER.. DO NOT MISTAKE THIS AS WEAKNESS. We are a group that complains together... but we also take care of business together... take out one of our own and you will likely be the outlet for most of the angst spewed on this blog. This is not a threat, not a promise. It is a fact.
We won't but they will using gas. Unreal.
Anonymous said...
You have a gas mask?!?!
I'm still trying to replace my helmet from the 68 riots!
1/20/2012 08:37:00 AM
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Since 1968 was 44 years ago, it is not very likely that you still have need of a helmet, unless you became a real pain in the ass when you retired and your wife is chasing you with a rolling pin.
I was there 44 years ago, by the way
This is Rahm's event. Success or failure it will be his. You guys will be facing ball bearings shot from wrist rockets, bricks, bottles, Molotov cocktails, bags of shit and piss in addition to what you usually face. It won't be pretty.
Off Topic - Huff Post reports Illinois is 8.5 billion dollars behind on unpaid bills. Moody's has downgraded us due to "weak management practices".
So, yesterday, our 'fiscally responsible' governor stated he would support a bill to pay ALL catastrophic medical bills FOR LIFE for any student injured in school-related sports activities!
Oh. My. God. Can we recall this incompetent multi-millionaire?
Garry McCarthy should require every officer to replace epired body armour . It could save their life. I purchase a new one every 5 years with my uniform allowance.
Bosses on CPD today have no b---s
The city and police department have a legal requirement to protect is employees and equip them with the right tools. If anyone gets hurt because they fail to do so they are liable
Intensified Verbal Judo classes will now be available on
E-Learning.
1/20/2012 08:12:00 AM
Wouldn't that be a violation of the contract the city has with that Thompson guy who wrote verb al judo?
maybe equipment and supply would of caught that awhile back, but instead of the acting commander trying to secure her next spot she could have taken a proactive approach and ran the section instead of just get out of grade pay. well I gessed it payed off how are things going in 14
i am in the 704 unit, i have my dept issued kevlar helmet and a really really big can of silly string. Bring It On!
isn't Rham a liberal socialist, like Barack?..let folks riot, loot, steal....it's the socialist way..
Hey...Screw all the CRYBABY'S and evryone else....media and the politicians...G8...we have to be in FULL SURVIVAL MODE...that means everything goes....Self Preservation should be JOB #1 !!!! and BTW I'm not going near any of those pricks with just a Shield and Riot Baton....Kiss my Royal AMERICAN ASS!!!!!
The Not A Cop Posting On 1/20/1142am
In my opinion, is very good.
Take a look see.
Guys Guys,,,when are you going to realize that this city is not the place to be the police? If you have less than 10 years, why the f are you not looking to get out of this cess pool of police haters? You love the city? F you and stick it up your ass for you are a closet liberal. Young guys,,,,test and test out west. We WILL be detroit. F U democrat machine types that think that there is "HOPE".
"It would look bad on TV and remind people of 1968."
Naked hippies smokin pot and dancin remind people of 1968, and the TV never shuts up about it. If I see Channel 11's Geoffery Baer segment about "Chicago In The 60s" one more time, I'll puke. Every baldin, saggin old freak who ever picked a flower or threw a rock, he looked em all up.
They're still in an exalted state. Framed peace signs on the wall of their "bourgeois" brick home...
"Expiration on gas mask filters isn't like the expiration on milk.
"They're a passive mechanical device. There are a couple things that could go wrong in theory, but for the most part, it's one of those 'gear optimization' protocols where the infinite dollars of governments can afford to be ridiculous. Wouldn't surprise me if at some point along the way, the entire concept of canisters expiring resulted from some connected NATO contractor who makes them."
--1/20/2012 11:47:00 AM
CBW-type filters have two stages; first, a paper mechanical filter, then a layer of activated charcoal that is treated with various chemical "impregnants." I am not an expert, but I imagine that these could change with time, "go stale," especially if the thing absorbs any moisture.
05:42 Your dreaming, what do you think, you come on the CPD and the city is responsible to protect you.
Yea, I see alot of po's living large off the city as a result of their lawsuits. Oh yea, the ones that are IOD have gotten huge settlements for their injuries because the city has a legal right to protect them
"Not to mention that those blue helmets they give us, which are essentially motorcycle helmets, only have a lifespan of five years. most manufacturers of motorcycle helmets recommend that you replace your helmet every five years because the material that protects your noggin deteriorates after five years."
--1/20/2012 09:57:00 AM
Yeah, the "plasticizer" migrates out of the styrofoam lining, and the lining gets harder and harder and loses its ability to absorb shock, transmitting shock instead.
Like the scientist (really) told me about an old helmet I had, "It might stop you from getting a skull fracture, but you could still get a brain injury."
Anonymous said...
Today I saw a uniformed PO working the parking lot of Pete's Produce on 87th and Loomis. I saw no car, just him in uniform guarding the store.
1/20/2012 10:57:00 AM
Cooter?
"The Tribune stated in today's edition that Occupy Chicago just got two new offices at the business incubator at 300 W Cermak and will be using one as a SELF DEFENSE ACADEMY. Self defense against who the police?"
--1/20/2012 11:45:00 AM
Doesn't the city run that "incubator?"
....with taxpayers' money?
What the hell?
Are street gangs also going to get office space there? Remember the El Rukn "Temple of Moorish Science?" >pfft<
That $65M? It is either yet to arrive or has already been spent on something unrelated to Rahm's big adventure.
OT and UNREAL. I will keep this brief. 26th cal Thurs rm 702 Judge Ford 1st time up Agg UUW...ASA agrees clean case no wrinkles. Prob tells us off. 1st time arrested Hon discharge from army but hanging out on corner at 63 Rockwell no where near where he lives. Judge tells her "work it out Im not sending this guy to prison for a year because he made a mistake". She still goes forward...I tesify for maybe 7 mins no problems. His lawyer doesn't even cross examine me and no other witnesses. Judge Ford finds him NOT guilty. A 20 yr veteran of CPD slaps a guy and gets 2 yrs in prison but this guy gets a free pass and basically told its ok for UUW and running from the police. Liberal Fuckers.....Sully 008th Dist 1st watch
1/20/2012 01:16:00 PM
Not that I agree with this judges decision but don't most cops on this blog(myself included) preach conceal carry to the citizens and always say there's not enough police so arm yourselves. Most of the cops here have gone as far and asked Mike Shields and the FOP to fight for concealed carry and say it's our 2nd amendment rights to bear arms. So make up your minds.
Ghosts of 68
Read a lot about 68 here lately. Truth be told so have the vandal coming here .
I hope it IS like 68 this time where all the real chaos was confined to a small section
Of town near the Hilton Hotel .I am not going to put any ideas in any bodies mind
But with all of you guarding the loop god help the neighborhoods.
Call Carol Marin to force a response and his hand? I'm begging you? Get over it, G8 is coming, period and the city can't hire any new po's because they would still be in the academy. I just hope you are not a po and if you are I don't want you anywhere near me out there. I'm just glad I know a bunch of guys that dont say shit, dont complain about the equipment and will go out there and do their job and have my back and we will all get thru this. Thats what the job is about, taking care of each other in times like the G8, not whining about everything. I sure hope the protesters can't smell fear
talk about expired equipment... i just found a trojan condom in my wallet from high school.
OC spray ....OC spray ?
we don't need no stinkin' OC spray
O'Brien said...
Anonymous said...
You have a gas mask?!?!
I'm still trying to replace my helmet from the 68 riots!
1/20/2012 08:37:00 AM
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Since 1968 was 44 years ago, it is not very likely that you still have need of a helmet, unless you became a real pain in the ass when you retired and your wife is chasing you with a rolling pin.
I was there 44 years ago, by the way
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I think what he is trying to say is the helmets that were in use in 1968 were still being issued when he was hired. I recall folks that got hired as late as 89-90 being issued those types of helmets. I was hired in 1991 and was issued the motorcycle helmet.
When I went through TARA, the instructors told us to go to Home Depot and get the masks that painters use...look for N94 rating on it.
Officers who know they will be on the front lines should look into a product called "Quick Clot". I believe it is sold in most hunting stores, and police gear sites on line. It's a safe, sterile way to stop profuse bleeding from a catastrophic injury.
Personally, I think it should be standard issue to every officer, but I know that's laughable in this city.
The FBI carries it in their field packs.
Re:
Since 1968 was 44 years ago, it is not very likely that you still have need of a helmet, unless you became a real pain in the ass when you retired and your wife is chasing you with a rolling pin.
I was there 44 years ago, by the way
Lighten up Francis!!! Man, some of you guys are wound way too tight! I believe the above poster was making a little joke.Wow
Don't worry about Inspectors! Have you ever seen one where anything was happening. Like dangerous stuff? That will never happen. They are inspectors for a reason. They are "reluctant" to get involved in police stuff, especially dangerous street stuff.
These scumbags all vote democrat and are big BO supporters. Hell, Barak would even toss shit at the police except he throws like a sissy. Who can forget him throwing out the first pitch at "Comensky Field"
Hmmm, hope the rioters don't realize this and toss some o.c. your way.
What the fuck was wrong with the 68 film. I thought the hippies got what they deserved.
How about putting the 50 thieves on the line with you guys. They allowed Rahm to bring this thing to Chicago. That would be the just thing to do.
master Jim Marsh taught me the art of speed cuffing. who remembers walking in the halls of the cpd academy with their hands in their pocket and Jim would walk around the corner and slap ya? the good old days.
Report all IODs
do not go home until it's complete and signed
of course, keep your copy.
go on medical.
"One of the most potent riot control devices we have is completely off the table. The reason? It would look bad on TV and remind people of 1968."
The new crop of young protesters could benefit from a reminder of 1968...
Well Rahm is hoping, as with his DC buddies, that this will be a major civil unrest situation... what that will mean is anybody's guess....
I remember buying some stuff from that Pauly guy in 023 many moons ago. I think the official CPD issue was 3M Scoville units. Pauly's was 15M!!!! Wonder if he's still around...*laughs maniacally*
1/20/2012 11:29:00 AM
Pauly was last seen working in Unit 050, O'hare Airport.
Don't know if he retired yet?
Airport guys want to let us know?
"One day they will learn just like the rest."
By the time the city/department learns it will be far too late.
They've already ruined an entire generation of police officers.
Once in awhile the worksheets have an "*" next to a few Beat Cars indicating that those beat cars/persons have been selected as an incident team should something go wrong at a pre-planned event throughout the city. Most of the times I never even inquire whats it for.
But should this happen, which I'm sure it will while I'm pushing my beat car around during the G-8 They can kiss my Ass!!!
They have known about this How Long??
How much time did they have to Prepare??
Who actually Invited this Shit to the City??
I have news for You supervisor(s) If I am not given proper equip. You can Kiss my Ass!!!
"They're a passive mechanical device. There are a couple things that could go wrong in theory, but for the most part, it's one of those 'gear optimization' protocols where the infinite dollars of governments can afford to be ridiculous. Wouldn't surprise me if at some point along the way, the entire concept of canisters expiring resulted from some connected NATO contractor who makes them."
Same thing with body armor.
But there are a lot of variables, such as storage conditions, etc.
"Along with expired equipment, how many officers actually maintain their weapons? Change out their ammo?"
1% of the department. You know who you are.
"SO it's totally okay with Mayor Emanuel, the City Council, the folks that run the Police Dept that we all have expired filters for our masks? The reason?"
The reason is, you're expendable.
Nobody cares about patrol.
"Let THEM run rampant the first day."
This might be the strategy to follow.
Until they allow us to actually take control and not simply be passive knobs, let them have at it.
"Imagine u throw CS and the trained anarchist protester pops it down to the el tracks. Now you have a decon nightmare."
Decon? CS and OC are non-persistent agents.
Not only is my mask's filter expired, but my 90's issued helmet's lining is starting to show the effects of time and age..dry rotting, with it's padding literally falling out.
1/20/2012 03:41:00 PM
Pictures, video? YouTube it. Embarrass the brass.
Anonymous said...
Don't worry about Inspectors! Have you ever seen one where anything was happening. Like dangerous stuff? That will never happen. They are inspectors for a reason. They are "reluctant" to get involved in police stuff, especially dangerous street stuff.
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They sure like 020. Either they are scared to be in a fast district or that wonderful commander there calls them in.
Anonymous said...
Officers who know they will be on the front lines should look into a product called "Quick Clot". I believe it is sold in most hunting stores, and police gear sites on line. It's a safe, sterile way to stop profuse bleeding from a catastrophic injury.
Personally, I think it should be standard issue to every officer, but I know that's laughable in this city.
The FBI carries it in their field packs.
1/20/2012 08:29:00 PM
And as crazy as it sounds, keep tampons with you. Pack them in an open wound to stop a hemorrhage and the ER docs will be able to remove it to work on you. Quick clot is good for some instances but sterile dressings are just as good and won't cause other problems.
In1968 we didn't have Tasers!!! Now that will awesome!!!!!
"Let THEM run rampant the first day."
This might be the strategy to follow.
Until they allow us to actually take control and not simply be passive knobs, let them have at it.
1/20/2012 11:16:00 PM
Yes, let's do that. Toronto tried it and the outrage and outcry from the citizens caused them to adopt the exact opposite strategy in response.
Thanks for the suggestion, Occupy Chicago, but we'll handle it on our own.
master Jim Marsh taught me the art of speed cuffing. who remembers walking in the halls of the cpd academy with their hands in their pocket and Jim would walk around the corner and slap ya? the good old days.
1/20/2012 09:36:00 PM
Ah, yes; "Please do not resist, sir!"
we might not be using gas... but iam sure the anarchist are cooking up some toxic stuff....
I got a 5A furlo and heading down to mexico. Bringing back a couple of those bandoliers..anyone need anything?
Rick 013
I have two gas masks, one old junk and one new with nice unexpired filters. When I retire in a few months the City will get the one that is old and good for shit and also they get the old filter canisters.
I get the new stuff. You have to learn how to play this shit. I even managed to get prescription lenses inside of the new mask that snap into place. I'll probably give the new mask to some PO that needs it, I'll show him how to get new prescription lenses for cheap.
Anonymous said...
Officers who know they will be on the front lines should look into a product called "Quick Clot". I believe it is sold in most hunting stores, and police gear sites on line. It's a safe, sterile way to stop profuse bleeding from a catastrophic injury.
Personally, I think it should be standard issue to every officer, but I know that's laughable in this city.
The FBI carries it in their field packs.
1/20/2012 08:29:00 PM
Quick Clot is good along with some wound dressing , tape etc. The Department will NEVER issue this stuff to individual officers unless you are assigned to SWAT or a sniper. They will tell you to call an ambulance. CFD won't go near if there is gunfire or the area is not secure. They are not combat medics.
Equally important is a personal Tourniquet to be carried always.
http://www.amazon.com/Tac-Med-Solutions-SOFTT-W-Tourniquet/dp/B003YDSO1W/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1327147003&sr=8-5
The reason Chicago has not had any serious demonstrations was because of the reputation the police earned from 68 and the bosses with balls.
The '68 Convention did more than just make Chicago look bad; it forever changed the Democrat Party! After '68 the Radical Elitists who protested the War took over and that is why today the Democrats are radical and anti-America. Yet to compare '68 to '12 is absurd. The '12 Demonstrators will have far better communication skills and equipment than CPD. Have we been able to "stop" a flash mob? Our abilities will onlly be reactive not proactive to these demonstrators. Also someone raised the radios not working in the subway and the answer is YES. There are several places in the CTA Subway system where Radio or phone service does not work. If you confront troubl there, you cannot summon help.
An expired vest is their choice. Mine isn't and I'm not choosing an expired gas mask filter it's forced on me. Your argument is lame and has no merit. So in your pea brain we should all suffer because of a few who choose to wear an expired vest. You are an idiot. Besides the vest is an individual decision, and not your business.
Anonymous said...
I remember buying some stuff from that Pauly guy in 023 many moons ago. I think the official CPD issue was 3M Scoville units. Pauly's was 15M!!!! Wonder if he's still around...*laughs maniacally*
1/20/2012 11:29:00 AM
Pauly was last seen working in Unit 050, O'hare Airport.
Don't know if he retired yet?
Airport guys want to let us know?
1/20/2012 10:58:00 PM
I believe Paul V. just retired as he turned 63. He could have given the Dept. another 5 years. Great guy to have in a fight with you ....
I believe it will be closer to the 300,000+ number... I believe that Chicago is about to experience the perfect storm... We have a mayor who is the epitomy of what the protest are about. He has had his finger in the political, banking & wallstreet game playing that have toppled our economy... Lets be honest, even we would want to protest this guy... every single occupy group will be sending people to this city, and as such, the anarchist, have never had the platform they will have this spring.
Don't stress it. Stand together, take a deep breath, and follow the lead of our gold stars. When you see the protester acting up, go to him request he stop his actions, ask politely if he wants to go to jail, extend your hand and gently place him or carry him to be arrested, as demonstrated during the occupy movement. I forgot , and be sure to wait at least an hr. or two.
68 has nothing to do with it. A lot of the buildings get their ventilatiion at ground level. This would cause some of the buildings to have to evacuate .
VVVVV
Thank you my friend G*Ate anonymous
For the out of shape people, wearing a gas mask may actually cause you to have a heart attack. You might consider getting a cardiopulmonary examination before using a gas mask.
They will work just fine.
At training we were told to replace our cartridge and the academy TARA unit gave me one, a simple exchange. People have to start looking for answers instead of just problem talking points
"Anonymous said...
"Along with expired equipment, how many officers actually maintain their weapons? Change out their ammo?"
1% of the department. You know who you are.
1/20/2012 11:12:00 PM"
Every Wednesday our Boss brings out a gun kit at Roll Call. With the "Pizza Oven", everything is there, oil, brushes, patches.
No excuses, take care of your weapons.
Just for clarification, when they say we will not use gas they are referring to tear gas - CS, CN- and not pepper spray - OC . That will be used as it does not vaporize and linger in the air. Our masks are to do 2 things: 1. protect us against OC we may use in large quantities; 2. protect us against chemicals, etc the bad guys may use. I know we all like to bitch but let's also report facts, not rumors and use some common sense.
I got a 5A furlo and heading down to mexico. Bringing back a couple of those bandoliers..anyone need anything?
Rick 013
1/21/2012 03:17:00 AM
say hola to my cousin, Chalkito, for me.
at a healthy distance, of course.
Chalkie
Officers who know they will be on the front lines should look into a product called "Quick Clot". I believe it is sold in most hunting stores, and police gear sites on line. It's a safe, sterile way to stop profuse bleeding from a catastrophic injury.
Personally, I think it should be standard issue to every officer, but I know that's laughable in this city.
The FBI carries it in their field packs.
1/20/2012 08:29:00 PM
And as crazy as it sounds, keep tampons with you. Pack them in an open wound to stop a hemorrhage and the ER docs will be able to remove it to work on you. Quick clot is good for some instances but sterile dressings are just as good and won't cause other problems.
If you are going to carry medical equiptment, for God's sake, get training in its use. There is nothing more stupid than dropping cake on gear you have no idea how or when to use. There are several local companies that provide suitable training. If you don't want to spend the money on training, find an officer with military or civilian medical experience.
As far as gear goes, why not go with the same trauma gear that the military carries? It is called an IFAK. A trauma dressing, a tourniquet, some gauze, some gloves,some tape and maybe some trauma shears. It has been working pretty well in Iraq and Afghanistan for the last 10 years.
As far as quick clot goes, it is designed for arterial wounds that are too high on the arm or let to be able to apply a tourniquet. It isn't something you are going to use on 99% of wounds. Tampons were something Special Forces medics used decades ago for penetrating chest wounds. Nobody uses them anymore, or does anyone here in the States recommend you try to plug a penetrating chest wound. You are probably just going to do more damage sticking a foreign object into a wound you can't visualize.
Was told at training that my old helmet would be retrofitted so I won't get shit and urine on my face and I would get a new gas mask. Why not give it to me at the training when all of us are here in one place? Do they have the stuff or did they use the money for something else? Better Idea my helmet is over 20 years old and I am over 50. I quit tact and went on the watch. Good luck youngsters I wish you the best. I had fun at all 6 Bulls events and other crap. I hope you have fun and do not get hurt.
Anonymous said...
I don't even have a gas mask... How about shields for the helmets? SCC, I went down to equipment and supplies at 35th street and requested a new shield/cover for my helmet and was told they do not have any. and they don't know if they're going to have them by time g8. Just awful!
1/20/2012 11:21:00 AM
If you really need/want one, Seer has a site and will sell you one for $12-15. Small price to pay or would you rather fight blindfolded?
"Let THEM run rampant the first day."
This might be the strategy to follow.
Until they allow us to actually take control and not simply be passive knobs, let them have at it.
1/20/2012 11:16:00 PM
Yes, let's do that. Toronto tried it and the outrage and outcry from the citizens caused them to adopt the exact opposite strategy in response.
Thanks for the suggestion, Occupy Chicago, but we'll handle it on our own.
1/21/2012 01:03:00 AM
you do understand that you, 1:30am, just proved 11:16pm's point, don't you?
Here's an idea for you guys looking for better helmets/shields. Look up any recent retiree or soon to be retiree and see if a swap will help you out. Dumbshit dept. lets retirees keep helmets if they have over twenty years of service(just about everyone). Some have newer helmets. If the dept had kept those helmets there would have been a pool of helmets/faceshields for distribution.
talk about expired equipment... i just found a trojan condom in my wallet from high school.
1/20/2012 07:24:00 PM
put it on ebay, someone will bid on it.
I think what he is trying to say is the helmets that were in use in 1968 were still being issued when he was hired. I recall folks that got hired as late as 89-90 being issued those types of helmets. I was hired in 1991 and was issued the motorcycle helmet.
1/20/2012 07:55:00 PM
'86 and I have a '68 helmet.
It doesn't matter if the idiot know it all bosses and the goof balls at TARA say no OC. You all have personal OC spray and a use of force policy. Stay within the policy and happy spraying. Make sure you have extra's. Its gonna be fun.
Y'all should just refuse to work the G8 Protests. Rahm is in full agreement with the protestors, and he is at best setting you up to fail at worst lining you up to be slaughtered by mobs, and then you'll STILL be made to look the villains by the corporate media.
folks be careful out there... there are "current & official"
Chicago Police Tactical Shirts on sell on ebay with a star number and name tag. i reported these items with ebay and are still being sold. the FOP needs to take action!
Hey "not a cop" I don't give a Fuck who started it, I have a RIGHT to defend myself, I don't care HOW it looks on tv, and I WILL. even if it means shattering my baton to pieces on you and your sissy Commie friends!
Today I saw a uniformed PO working the parking lot of Pete's Produce on 87th and Loomis. I saw no car, just him in uniform guarding the store.
1/20/2012 10:57:00 AM
Cooter?
1/20/2012 06:52:00 PM
Boss Hogg?
1/20/2012 11:29:00 PM
Cletus?
/20/2012 11:29:00 AM
Pauly was last seen working in Unit 050, O'hare Airport.
Don't know if he retired yet?
Airport guys want to let us know?
1/20/2012 10:58:00 PM
PAuley gone as of 12/2011
"Let THEM run rampant the first day."
This might be the strategy to follow.
Until they allow us to actually take control and not simply be passive knobs, let them have at it.
1/20/2012 11:16:00 PM
Yes, let's do that. Toronto tried it and the outrage and outcry from the citizens caused them to adopt the exact opposite strategy in response.
Thanks for the suggestion, Occupy Chicago, but we'll handle it on our own.
I think that was the point of the post. Force the people to demand that we take police action and not just stand around like decorations.
"How about putting the 50 thieves on the line with you guys. They allowed Rahm to bring this thing to Chicago. That would be the just thing to do."
They're "peace officers" aren't they?
That's why they can carry a gun.
Rahm can put 50 more peace officers on the street this way.
Quick Clot
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Over hyped. Read up on it. You will find that virtually no EMS units carry it anymore. It has its place, but regular gauze is probably a better choice. Combat gauze is perhaps a better choice, but really, it has very limited utility as well.
The goof who suggested tampons needs to rethink that as well. Talk to an actual medical provider about what they think. Tampons are just not a good choice as packing material for a wound. People think you can just slide it inside a bullet hole or something, but wounds just don't make convenient holes for you to slide something like that in. Israeli bandages are about as good as they get. If you think you need something, that is the kind of bandage to get. Best to get at least two though so you can try one out ahead of time. They are not hard to work with but they do take some thought when using them.
expired filters
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as long as they have not been opened they are probably fine. even if they have been opened they are probably fine.
did you know that car baby seats have an expiration date as well?
it is mostly about reducing the manufacturers long term liability.
Deb Kirby isn't a police officer....she's more like an insurance adjuster
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The costs of various options have to be part of the equation. Just about anything the city does has both good and bad aspects.
Brute force to the level that would get cops in this country locked up for long periods of time (and justifiably so) has not worked in other countries where that level of force is acceptable. So it just cannot be used here, at least as a first choice as some here seem to be advocating.
What the leaders of the protest would love to see happen is for CPD cops to get out of control and go on a rampage against mostly non-violent protesters as happened in 1968.
As long as what force is used by authorities is directed appropriately, the protesters end up losing and the police force looks like the good guys.
No matter what the city or its police department do, it will be messy and inconvenient, but protests always have been. Other US cities have had G8 protesters and done a very credible job of dealing with it. The police have come across as looking professional for the most part. No reason Chicago can't also handle it.
Reality is that it is not a police problem as much as a political problem. It only becomes a police problem if the politicians muck it up enough.
Look what happened during the occupy Chicago protest. It was all but a non-event, because the city used its head instead of beating heads.
Not a cop.
OT and UNREAL. I will keep this brief. 26th cal Thurs rm 702 Judge Ford 1st time up Agg UUW...ASA agrees clean case no wrinkles. Probation tells us offender 1st time arrested Honorable discharge from army but hanging out on corner at 63 Rockwell no where near where he lives. Judge tells her "work it out Im not sending this guy to prison for a year because he made a mistake". She still goes forward...I testify for maybe 7 mins no problems. His lawyer doesn't even cross examine me and no other witnesses. Judge Ford finds him NOT guilty. A 20 yr veteran of CPD slaps a guy and gets 2 yrs in prison but this guy gets a free pass and basically told its ok for UUW and running from the police. Liberal Fuckers.....Sully 008th Dist 1st watch
1/20/2012 01:16:00 PM
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So let me get this straight, 'Sully' .....You pinched a never arrested, working and paying taxes, Army veteran (who was Honorably discharged) with a gun.
Then Judge Ford, who has done more good deeds for Police than you will know, tells you guys in advance that he is not going to send the guy to prison, to work it out. Then the ASA, instead of pleading the case down, which they could have, takes the cowards' way out and puts the case on to make the Judge the bad guy.
And the Judge tosses the case.
Are you fucking kidding me ?? So what !!! This is not the Lindberg case. The judge was upfront, probation told you the guy has no record, and what? You want a pound of flesh?
Quit Chicago, and go get a job in Naperville or Schaumburg, or some other pinhead suburb. That type of case means something in DuPage. It is a dime a dozen in Chicago.
The Judge did the right thing. The only goofs here are the ASA who could have grown a set and pled the case like he/she knew should have, and you for acting like you were wronged somehow.
Get over it.
Your hands may be tied but mine are not. Couldn't be easier to just blend in with the protesters, and be looking for the andy thayer, bill ayer types. Get close and then convince them to change their ways. Then turn and blend right back in. Easy. Just need an asp, and some gel o.c. (so don't get blowback) and a colorful hat or jacket that can be removed quickly. In the confusion nobody'll see or be able to do shit.
Make sure that if you have turtle gear it is in good condition. Make sure the straps work and it still fits properly. Make sure your helmet fits snugly. Make the necessary adjustments to get it to where it is comfortable for hours on end. Make sure that you have good boots and extra bdu’s. Go through your gear bag and make sure all the pieces that you want are there, and if they aren’t, replace them. Start doing this now. May is only 4 months away and it will be here in no time.
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Water, Lots of water. You will dehydrate fast.
I believe Paul V. just retired as he turned 63. He could have given the Dept. another 5 years. Great guy to have in a fight with you ....
1/21/2012 07:49:00 AM
did you ever observe him ride a segway?
We need to be careful here or Chicago is going to burn like LA did in the 90's. While the protesters may start it, just like with the L.A. riots bangers will spread it and take advantage of any lapse in police attention to cause complete anarchy.
1/20/2012 08:21:00 AM
You are absolutey correct. Weeks before this G8 starts you will see people coming into the city. You will start to get some idea of what is going to happen. So will the gangbangers. It's an opportune time for them. Flash mobs will seem like child's play. I hope the good citizens are preparing for this. What could be better, a leaderless Police Department. Revenge for "68" the press will really like that. and the chance of a lifetime for the gangbangers. I pray to God that I am wrong.
my helmet has a giant 6 inch spike on top.
You guys have no idea what you are talking about. New filters for FM12 masks and new masks are being given to Tact and Gang Enforcement officers. Ask the right people before you run your mouth.
Another guy that has no idea what he is talkng about. We will have OC on the front lines and it will not contaminate the ventilation systems of buildings downtown, OC is not a particulate like CS or CN.
"The Judge did the right thing. The only goofs here are the ASA who could have grown a set and pled the case like he/she knew should have, and you for acting like you were wronged somehow."
Not to pile on here, but this poster is correct.
Once you put handcuffs on the offender, you've won!
It's the States Attorney's job to argue the case/get the max punishment under the circumstances, not yours.
If the ASA cannot win it, it's their loss.
Unless you're the victim, you've won. Let it go.
Call in the National Guards....let them fight the guard and try to sue the fed gov. It won't happen.
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