Teachers Lose a Big Round
Hundreds of tenured Chicago Public School teachers laid off for economic reasons in 2010 did not have the right to be rehired to new jobs, unlike other teachers in the state, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled Friday.
CPS officials hailed the decision as “historically significant” and a reaffirmation of reforms that began with the 1988 Chicago School Reform Act and the discretion it gave CPS principals to hire staff.
“The Illinois Supreme Court in this decision essentially upheld the right of [a CPS] principal to decide who is going to fill a vacancy,’’ said CPS attorney James Franczek.
However, Chicago Teachers Union President Karen Lewis said the opinion “amplifies Chicago’s separate and unequal practices.’’ The union disputes the 5-2 decision and is “evaluating its options,’’ Lewis said in a news release.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
72 Comments:
This is absolutely insane. Only in Chicago do we lay off teachers for not having funds and then tell them goodbye and you aren't in line for your jib back. Wtf
You should have to exhaust the layoff list before you rehire newbs.
Fucking Chicago sucks
Make Chicago a seperate State away from Illinois altogether. Chicago is way beyond saving. Living in the most corrupt City, County and State in the country is hell. How these politicians get elected is beyond me. I can't think of anyone who I have voted for in years has ever made it to office. The blood suckers, liars, and corrupt bastards allways get voted in. How can this be? When will it ever stop? Am I the only person who see's these people for what they really are? I hope not.
They will have to go to SCOTUS to get any satisfaction. Our state courts are as corrupt as all of the politicians. Wouldn't trust any of them.
How did Justice Ann Burke vote? Did she abstain or is she one of the three who voted against the teachers? It must be nice to have friends (wife) in high places.
Wait til the Ballerino comes after us on this next contract. I hope the boys at FOP are ready to dig in for the long haul. This will be a make or break moment in CPDs history - will we come out the victors? Or will we just lay back and allow the pipe to be forced in balls-deep, and then some?
I've never seen morale so low, nor apathy so pronounced in my 26 years on this job. I expected more animation and verbalization from the Entitlement Police, A.K.A. The Hair Gel Police, but they've proven to be mostly Sheep, content to go with the flow and afraid to rock the boat, lest they get bumped to a rapid or be separated from their partner.
I've also talked to (what's left of them) some KMA-ers that have all but thrown in the towel with keeping abreast of and challenging the HQ Koolaide they're trying to force-feed us.
Some truly can't see - or worse - don't want to see just exactly what the tyrant on the 5th floor is trying to do to us. Nor do they see how the CPD hierarchy is bought and paid for and structured to hasten our demise.
Well, here it comes.
Been on the dept. 12 years but no clout, too bad.
Welcome to 1st watch in 007 for the rest of your employment.
What ? You bought a house on the far n/w side and fuel costs & camera fines are killing you.
TOUGH SHIT !
Solcialism only works if your last name is castro in cuba or dayley in chicago.
I'm sure Rahm got a chubby one when he heard this.
Is it just me or does that fucker sort of look like the grinch? Especially around the eyes. He sure the Hell acts worse than the grinch. At least in the end the grinch displayed a heart.
Democrats have never liked public sector unions except when they have been able to control them and then are able to use them to funnel money into DNC coffers. This is one of the major reasons that Democrats really hate the Police and Fire unions and are trying to find ways of controlling or getting rid of them. You may think that it might be far fetched but just look at what they've done to our department already and it will get alot worse.
BTW...about the pensions...have a Plan B...just saying.
At least they can strike they might as well take advantage of that right as long as they still can. It seems that it might be their only option.
Every fucking time I read something about Rahm I keep hear what Chico said during the election."PAY THE RAHM TAX" I know the citizens of Chicago are pissed at themselves because we have a MF that we will probably never get out of office. He is setting himself up with the right MF to steal the election if need be. I can't see this little man taking a loss like a big man
The CPS Beast, aka Karen Lewis, better successfully rally the troops for a strike. Bring the fucking 9.5-clawed rat to his knees when the parents of every public school child is demanding his head for putting the teachers in such a position to begin with.
At least with us, every civilian has to be laid off first. After that comes the Hair Gels. At least most of them are still in Mom's basement so the transition wouldn't be all that difficult if/when it happens.
No wonder Chicago has one of the worst public school systems in the nation. If anyone gets fucked over more that us its the teachers. Strike!!!! I know u guys need to eat but your barely eating now so what do u have to lose? Strike and send a message.
I'm sure the mayors kids don't go to public school
So can this happen to Police & Fire? Thi is what happens when you get a dictator. The poloshitens save there own job and make us look like we are theives. Why is there pension funded at 140%?
Democrats have never liked public sector unions except when they have been able to control them and then are able to use them to funnel money into DNC coffers. This is one of the major reasons that Democrats really hate the Police and Fire unions and are trying to find ways of controlling or getting rid of them. You may think that it might be far fetched but just look at what they've done to our department already and it will get alot worse.
BTW...about the pensions...have a Plan B...just saying.
Are you insane it's not just city there's a war on unions through out this country starting with our neighbors , city doesn't want to get rid of them they just want to control them . And the way things are going pitting working folks against each other were losing that battle We've got to have a better message to save our selves and sorry buddy that's not it .
Anonymous said...
They will have to go to SCOTUS to get any satisfaction. Our state courts are as corrupt as all of the politicians. Wouldn't trust any of them.
2/19/2012 01:18:00 AM
Corrupt as they come, look at the Chief Judge, Anne Burke! Married to Ed Burke! As connected as they come and Rahm couldn't even move Ed Burke off the Chair of the Finance Committee. Fucking bullshit.
Rotten crooked bastards.
Rahm is a BIG TIME Union Buster! Rahm is worst than Daley!
Rahm is EVIL and a possessed Devil!!
Bye Bye Lieutenant's union, you are goners. Rahm will just demote all you guys - no more union. The writing is on the wall
Wait til the Ballerino comes after us on this next contract. I hope the boys at FOP are ready to dig in for the long haul. This will be a make or break moment in CPDs history - will we come out the victors? Or will we just lay back and allow the pipe to be forced in balls-deep, and then some?
I've never seen morale so low, nor apathy so pronounced in my 26 years on this job. I expected more animation and verbalization from the Entitlement Police, A.K.A. The Hair Gel Police, but they've proven to be mostly Sheep, content to go with the flow and afraid to rock the boat, lest they get bumped to a rapid or be separated from their partner.
I've also talked to (what's left of them) some KMA-ers that have all but thrown in the towel with keeping abreast of and challenging the HQ Koolaide they're trying to force-feed us.
Some truly can't see - or worse - don't want to see just exactly what the tyrant on the 5th floor is trying to do to us. Nor do they see how the CPD hierarchy is bought and paid for and structured to hasten our demise.
2/19/2012 01:39:00 AM
Got the point, but I'm sick of the hair gel and kma comments. So they both go with the flow, but its the gels are sheep, and the kmas are throwing in the towel.....how about we have no leadership to follow. Everyone bitches but nobody (gel or kma) seem to be taking a stand. 3 more years and hello transfer to Texas!
Well age discrimination is alive and well. "Teachers with tenure"
Rahm will tell them to go back to school so that they can learn to become 45~55 year old welders at the city colleges and maybe land one of the $12.50/hour part-tome temporary jobs of the 21st century.
Was the investment in the graduate degree worth it?
Did they get to even finish paying off their student loans before the Illinois Supreme court sentence them into indentured servitude?
Tenured Teachers....in their peak earnings years for retirement too. The American dream is a nightmare.
Watch for the Youtubes as they pop-up - Teachers joining the Occupy protestors claiming "we never-ever thought this would happen to us...we played by the rules..etc..etc.."
The only thing preventing the financial hardship and carnage from happening within CPD are the upcoming summits. After the summits...
Yeah contracts and even the US Constitution are meaningless symbols -- illusions. What rights? The right to bear arms under the second amendment barely survived and as soon as the next supreme court judge retires and is replaced they can attack that again. Due process is gone as the president now has the power of a monarch. He can jail anyone at anytime without even a trial. You want to see the evidence? Too bad it's a state secrete is all he has to claim. Chalk it up right there with warrant-less searches and wiretaps and ask yourself what is it exactly that you swore to uphold?
The bankers are running this show. None of them went to jail for their frauds and they're preparing to rape us again. Watch the mad asset land and property grabs at fire sale prices in Greece as the civil war breaks out.
It's just another sign of the class wars about to break out. That's all.
So where is the outrage? Where are the hippie protestors camping out at our city hall?
/cricket noise
sorry, but we have a DEMONratic machine here.
Da Mayer is busting unions via the poop chute illegally and there is no recourse because oc the years oc patronage hiring and stroking. This is the system that everyone who pulled the D handle in the voting booth wanted.
Welcome to the slippery slope
The Illinois Supreme court ruled in Tiny Dancer's favor! Surprise, surprise, surprise! Tiny Dancer knew what the decision was going to be long before the court made it public, you can bet on that. Hell, Tiny Dancer knew what the decision was going to be long before the court took the case.
A good contract this time around for PO's would be not to lose anything. If you honestly think in this economy we will see a big raise without giving up major concessions think again. Stick with a minimal if any raise and keep current work schedules and benefits in tact. No arbitrator will agree to a big raise this time anyway.
Just change the wording from teachers or bargaining member to educators or contracted employee and The City won't have a problem with violating a Contract.
The Public Safety,Education and Works Administration.
NO UNION UNDER RAHMULUS.
They probably laid off teachers that were not doing a adequate job. Why should those teachers be the same rehired. Better to hire quality teachers. I see no problem with this.
So I can work for 19 years and be apporoaching retirement at which time the principle on their own, or by some other power to be, could make a decission to fire me or lay me off for what ever reason, not hire me back when an opening occures and then I am out of luck, the city wont have to pay their portion of the pension fund and will be able to keep the city money to due what they want with it, and I will only be able to collect my fiar share. And this could happen no matter how good a teacher I might be, or may be this could happen because I did not give to the political organization the my principle, who was given the job by the powers to be, wanted me to contribute to? Where do I sign up! Look out CPD is next. The new police board assigned by the mayor is already in full swing.
Anonymous said...
Well, here it comes.
Been on the dept. 12 years but no clout, too bad.
Welcome to 1st watch in 007 for the rest of your employment.
What ? You bought a house on the far n/w side and fuel costs & camera fines are killing you.
TOUGH SHIT !
Solcialism only works if your last name is castro in cuba or dayley in chicago.
2/19/2012 02:52:00 AM
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Say, what??
I feel that the "unions" are nothing more then a patronage club, but that just my opinion. Seems history has shown that they too are corrputed by politics.
But I find it interesting as certain politicians play to that crowd, they crush them too.....
Honor amoung theives... nope
Teachers want to be considered professionals, but then they want a union and job rules to protect them and senority rules that let more qualified teachers go. Sorry, I don't agree with the union or the teachers. Politics creeps into private industry also and effects professionals who work in the private sector. The principal should be able to hire and fire whom they want to, not hbased on senority, just like the private sector.
There is nothing in federal law that protects public sector unions or demands that the government recoginize them. Having a public sector union is based only on state law. Eliminate the state law or alter the law and you eliminate or alter the public sector union. There is no inherent right for public sector employees to collectively bargain.
Why would anyone want to be a teacher (or a police officer or fireman) in this city. These politicians and judges are morally (and should be held criminally) liable for the conditions they create by their irresponsibility.
Teachers are OVERPAID.
They want a 30% raise? 25% the first year and 5% the second year?
Who got ahold of Whitney's crackpipe??
Teachers' pay - especially in Chicago - should be frozen until they start showing some performance standards and taking responsibility for cranking out a 50% drop-out rate and those who do graduate can't compete with most suburban HS graduates.
Most people in private industry got anywhere from 1-3% this year if they didn't get laid off and they didn't get the summers off either.
30%?? Keep dreaming. There needs to be major reform in Illinois and we'll see the teachers acting like a bunch of Greeks throwing temper tantrums when their platinum benefits get cut.
Rahm is looking to break the unions, his plan is to bring in auxiliary non-union people in all positions, no benefits, no insurance, no pensions, no cost to the city.
Auxiliary Fire Fighter
Auxiliary Police Officer
Auxiliary Teaching Positions
Private Garbage Collection that YOU pay for each month!
Contracted Water Dept. Services that are bidded out to the Rahm connected!
Public Transportation to go to the Private Sector!
And he will get all of this through his connections in Springfield who will make new laws to support his plans.
All the unions that sucked up to him were knifed in the back!
Beware of Democrats bearing Gifts?
11:31 Am :That is why we are not in the private sector . Everyone makes choices and we chose to go with a Union backed job. Don't be a hater ,cause you chose poorly.I back the Teachers Union 100% and hope they strike to bring this dictator Mayor to his knees! A month long strike will go a long way to keep the Homicide rate rising!
A lot of 36th ward guys at the Laborers Union meeting this morning crying how they're being picked on by Tom Byrne in sanitation. They all voted for Tiny Dancer, thought Banks and DeLeo would protect them. Redistricting cut the 36th into three wards. Rahm doesn't have to deal them in anymore.
7: 06am. There is no reason to call a union president any names. This woman went straight on with the mayor. Has been vocal and articulate on defending the rights of union teachers. She might not look like cindy crawford, but at least has been trying to keep the little guy from dancing away with the rights of every teacher working for CPS. CPD should take the lead and take on her examples. 20 years ago, the mayor was nothing but a mullet wearing little pipsqueak that was able to bs his way through many political circles, by way of money funneled by certain northshore groups that hadnt really had a representative in the political game, in the same vain as bloomberg in New York. The democrats have stolen from the unions for way to long and the books reflect that. Their is no union money (pension) to funnel through anymore, burke, daley, madigan, cullerton, joyce, made sure of that. Now union workers are in the fight for the survival of the middleclass. Teachers need to strike and all other unions need to do the same. The unions need to take on to the streets and march straight to the 5th floor of city hall. CPD, CFD cant, but they can participate in other ways. Time to stop the name calling amongst the most important professions that make up a civilized society and fight the good fight together. Their is only one enemy, the politicians and carpetbaggers that swear we can't rid of them.
Ive said it before, the cpd and cfd should form voting bloc. pick out one elected official and dump him. we are talking about 30,000 votes. its the only thing that the pols understand. squeeky wheel gets the oil.
They probably laid off teachers that were not doing a adequate job. Why should those teachers be the same rehired. Better to hire quality teachers. I see no problem with this.
2/19/2012 10:05:00 AM
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Based on your writing sample, it looks like you were taught by some of those inadequate teachers of which you speak.
Rahm is looking to break the unions, his plan is to bring in auxiliary non-union people in all positions, no benefits, no insurance, no pensions, no cost to the
You would have to be stupid or a gang member to be a CPD officer with no benefits. You think there are scandals now???? Will NEVER happen with the police. The City gets funding from the government for these professions. Who would fund a private sector police officer?? Donations?? Shut the hell up with your non sense typing!
Wait til the Ballerino comes after us on this next contract. I hope the boys at FOP are ready to dig in for the long haul.
2/19/2012 01:39:00 AM
You must be joking. FOP ready to dig in for the long haul? LOL
This is the most inexperienced group we've ever had during the worst of times.
Not a word about destruction of the contract and union by closing districts and areas without saving a dime?
UNION BUSTING 101 AT ITS FINEST BOYS AND GIRLS.
Good Luck. We're about to get our ass kicked. Wish Bella was in there.
You hair gels really don't know anything except what time Spongebob is on.
They probably laid off teachers that were not doing a adequate job. Why should those teachers be the same rehired. Better to hire quality teachers. I see no problem with this.
2/19/2012 10:05:00 AM
You must not have much experience with the politics in this city,county, and state. The fact that you trust the city to monitor who is doing an adequate job or not and even worse...you believe they actually act upon that information is strange. There were students protesting GREAT teachers that got cut, highly experienced, great education and training and loved by their students. That means nothing when you're not with the machine buddy. What are you an outsider?
Teachers want to be considered professionals, but then they want a union and job rules to protect them and senority rules that let more qualified teachers go. Sorry, I don't agree with the union or the teachers. Politics creeps into private industry also and effects professionals who work in the private sector. The principal should be able to hire and fire whom they want to, not hbased on senority, just like the private sector.
2/19/2012 11:31:00 AM
The problem is that this isn't private sector. And if the principal decides to hire/fire someone at will, with no justifiable reason...then what? In case you didn't know, we have huge problems with that type of control here. So...the principal wants you to teach to test but the kids won't actually learn anything except how to take the Iowa test...just do it. Or the principal assigns you to a class with behavioral problems and learning disabled kids all mixed in like a stew...then fires you because they say their scores aren't improving...this is reality.
Reality Check said...
Teachers are OVERPAID.
They want a 30% raise? 25% the first year and 5% the second year?
Who got ahold of Whitney's crackpipe??
Teachers' pay - especially in Chicago - should be frozen until they start showing some performance standards and taking responsibility for cranking out a 50% drop-out rate and those who do graduate can't compete with most suburban HS graduates.
Most people in private industry got anywhere from 1-3% this year if they didn't get laid off and they didn't get the summers off either.
30%?? Keep dreaming. There needs to be major reform in Illinois and we'll see the teachers acting like a bunch of Greeks throwing temper tantrums when their platinum benefits get cut.
2/19/2012 02:30:00 PM
At least the techers have the balls to start high in the first round of negotiations. Lets see what the FOP does when they start negiotations. Teachers know they will not get a raise but understand their side. Lost hoidays, extended days, extra days at end of school year pushing end of school till end of jne. Two extra hours a day and 14 extra work days a year.
CPD and CFD are next. Let the police and fire prove why they deserve raises. You just do not understand ashole. He is after every union and teachers were first. Why did Hoff retire so suddenly????
Teachers are OVERPAID.
They want a 30% raise? 25% the first year and 5% the second year?
Who got ahold of Whitney's crackpipe??
Teachers' pay - especially in Chicago - should be frozen until they start showing some performance standards and taking responsibility for cranking out a 50% drop-out rate and those who do graduate can't compete with most suburban HS graduates.
Most people in private industry got anywhere from 1-3% this year if they didn't get laid off and they didn't get the summers off either.
30%?? Keep dreaming. There needs to be major reform in Illinois and we'll see the teachers acting like a bunch of Greeks throwing temper tantrums when their platinum benefits get cut.
2/19/2012 02:30:00 PM
WHAT performance standards?!?!? You can't make children learn if they don't want to. You can't make them learn when they don't have support systems at HOME. I graduated from CPS and I had some excellent teachers that made miracle lesson plans out of low funded programs housed in falling apart classrooms. And guess what??? I still failed their classes because I wasn't interested in studying till I joined the Army to help pay for college. I had great teachers, went to a great school, and had great parents who were pushing college since I was in 3rd/4th grade. I still didn't even try once I got to high school. Now for you to tell me that you know how to review my teachers who had other failing students in their classes...you better have another way besides my test scores. I tested fine every year but my grades were atrocious. Yet you had kids who came everyday and had higher GPAs and didn't test as well. You can't say...your students failed, you're a bad teacher. You can be the best teacher but if your students going home and aint eating dinner, eating flamin' hots and pop all day, don't sleep at regular hours, stay up all night watching television, have irregular attendance, live on a block where there is high calls for service volume, dad is in IDOC (if he is even identified), mom never had a career but maybe some small jobs here and there..it's CRAP to hold a teacher responsible for the outcomes of the few hours a day she sees this kid. They are human beings not God in the flesh!
STRIKE, CPS you can do it we cannot! You can be the leaders to put rahmbo and his crew in place Just do it!
Thanks to all the men in blue willing to stand up for the teachers.
Now, I'm no Karen Lewis fan, but I'm the daughter and sister of union teachers. Just like cops, the minority crap teachers make the majority - dedicated professionals - look bad; thus the flamers that posted here.
As the Reader has reported, more than a few of the tenured teachers who were given the boot were at the top of their game - literally labeled master teachers. The only thing they did wrong was stay in the job too long, making them too expensive.
At least one person said principals should be able to hire/fire. The problem with that? An increasing number of principals know shit about teaching in a classroom, yet pull down at least 50%, even double, what the teacher's making. (Of course, many (most?) of them aren't union, so I guess that makes them okay.) My sister suffered under one a-hole - a guy with zero experience either teaching or in a public school - who took a "student is always right/teacher is always wrong" approach, nearly ruining the careers of several excellent teachers in the process. One teacher made the mistake of grabbing a kid's backpack, trying to break up a hall fight. The kid cried abuse, and the principal took the kid's side.
My office is right across the street from City Hall. I promise you, if Rahm's nightmare comes true, and City Hall and Daley Plaza - hell, even the little plaza outside the Thompson Center - look like Madison a year ago, I will proudly link arms with all of you
The one thing I fear will be different from Madison? Unlike Walker, Emperor Emanuel will not exempt cops and firefighters. I say - bring on the pipes and drums and, with tears running down my face, I - like thousands of others - will march behind you.
(OT) 1 easy city job GONE!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-charged-with-trying-to-carry-loaded-gun-onto-a-plane-at-midway-20120219,0,2596312.story
The money train is running out of steam, and lots of hard choices will be made in the coming years. It will be painful for all involved.
Anonymous said...
Rahm is looking to break the unions, his plan is to bring in auxiliary non-union people in all positions, no benefits, no insurance, no pensions, no cost to the
You would have to be stupid or a gang member to be a CPD officer with no benefits. You think there are scandals now???? Will NEVER happen with the police. The City gets funding from the government for these professions. Who would fund a private sector police officer?? Donations?? Shut the hell up with your non sense typing!
2/19/2012 09:27:00 PM
Yeah your right bud, keep drinking that Democratic Kool Aid pal!
The money train is running out of steam, and lots of hard choices will be made in the coming years. It will be painful for all involved.
2/19/2012 11:09:00 PM
The money train is being stolen by the politicians and being blamed on the city workers. Everyone suffering but the politicians! Why is that??
What do Chicago city workers, firemen, policemen, and teachers have in common with Rahm, the aldermen, the occupiers, and the welfare bustouts?
They all vote Democrat!
You get the government you voted for...
Last year if anybody cared to read or look at the NEW pension laws I warned that the elected state reps and senate excluded their pensions into a seperate and exclusive fund all by themeslfs! They are no longer grouped with the judges, policemen, firemen or anyother goverment worker, they now have their OWN private pension fund almost completely funded!
Anonymous said...
So I can work for 19 years and be apporoaching retirement at which time the principle on their own, or by some other power to be, could make a decission to fire me or lay me off for what ever reason, not hire me back when an opening occures and then I am out of luck, the city wont have to pay their portion of the pension fund and will be able to keep the city money to due what they want with it, and I will only be able to collect my fiar share. And this could happen no matter how good a teacher I might be, or may be this could happen because I did not give to the political organization the my principle, who was given the job by the powers to be, wanted me to contribute to? Where do I sign up! Look out CPD is next. The new police board assigned by the mayor is already in full swing.
2/19/2012 10:44:00 AM
Just read this post. This is why YOU would be laid off. Please, tell me you are not a teacher. If you are, this is what is wrong with CPS.
teachers demand 30% raise hahahah
bwahaha , rahm didn't give them the 4% in current contract .
the money ain't there
Rahm require all teachers to pass new standard basic skill test for new teachers . 70% won't pass , including pricipals.
Cops have been the bad guys for a while. Now teachers are the bad guys, too. I'm a CPS teacher and husband is a cop. If our jobs are as essential and critical as our bosses tell us and as the public seems to think, how come we can hardly pay our bills? Three kids in Catholic schools so they'll be physically safe, surrounded by decent peers, and have some skills when they graduate -- and we just scrape by. Old shitty cars, no dishwasher, infrequent eating out and vacations, furniture bought used, coupon clipping, attempting to save for college, home repairs done on the cheap. WTF? Where's the fucking reward for serving the public? Does anybody give a shit about how hard we work? And about what we sacrifice? How has it evolved that we teachers and cops are simply shit upon with society's approval?
That was a hit to all of us. Dont ever believe they were laid off because of their teaching abilities
There were other reasons, personality conflicts, favortism, making room for a friend.
How would the po's like it if their watch commander or XO or commander could decide who was laid off. It would be beat officers, not the front office crew, radio room officer or house cats
whats is this tier system for schools? why doesnt every area in the city have a elite school, instead of screwing hard working family that can afford private school. another liberal indoctrination and social experiment being conducted in chicago.. please lower my taxes since certain kids are chosen with lower test scores get better education than mine.
the law says what it says.
it's a good way to get rid of shit teachers. would it be better to let bad teachers into the classroom?
So I can work for 19 years and be apporoaching retirement at which time the principle on their own, or by some other power to be, could make a decission to fire me or lay me off for what ever reason, not hire me back when an opening occures and then I am out of luck, the city wont have to pay their portion of the pension fund and will be able to keep the city money to due what they want with it, and I will only be able to collect my fiar share. And this could happen no matter how good a teacher I might be, or may be this could happen because I did not give to the political organization the my principle, who was given the job by the powers to be, wanted me to contribute to? Where do I sign up! Look out CPD is next. The new police board assigned by the mayor is already in full swing.
If you were a teacher you should be fired. You can't spell and your grammar is atrocious. In any case your point is valid.
Anonymous said...
Cops have been the bad guys for a while. Now teachers are the bad guys, too. I'm a CPS teacher and husband is a cop. If our jobs are as essential and critical as our bosses tell us and as the public seems to think, how come we can hardly pay our bills? Three kids in Catholic schools so they'll be physically safe, surrounded by decent peers, and have some skills when they graduate -- and we just scrape by. Old shitty cars, no dishwasher, infrequent eating out and vacations, furniture bought used, coupon clipping, attempting to save for college, home repairs done on the cheap. WTF? Where's the fucking reward for serving the public? Does anybody give a shit about how hard we work? And about what we sacrifice? How has it evolved that we teachers and cops are simply shit upon with society's approval?
2/20/2012 11:32:00 AM
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Come on now, calm down a little. I don't know what salary steps you and your husband are at, but with three kids school you both have to have been working for a while. A 10 year teacher, according to the CPS salary schedule earns around 81K a year with just a Bachelor' Degree, another 85K or so for the husband, plus his ot and extra checks puts you in the 175 thousand area or so. While that is not a fortune it should be enough to raise 3 kids and have enough left over to donate to some of the families that not only do not have 2 good incomes, but rather have lost all their income.
ANON. said -
.....it's CRAP to hold a teacher responsible for the outcomes of the few hours a day she sees this kid. They are human beings not God in the flesh!
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Sorry but I have been in some of the bad schools in Chicago and many have retired on the job.
If it is such a bad job - and I have heard that one FOR YEARS - why do they keep returning every September?? Go find another job.
No one is forcing a teacher to stay, but their pay and benefits AND TIME OFF (the summers) are great compared to the efforts they put forth.
Sorry, but if you think the teachers in Chicago are deserving of a raise, you my friend have never observed a typical school day at most of the Highschools.
Again - look at the facts. Test scores, attendance rates, dropout rates.
Any company turning out a 50% defect rate would go out of business quickly. No one working at that company deserves a raise or bonus - including its Chief Executive Officer.
No one deserves a raise at CPS until they start making some improvements that are measurable, consistent, and longlasting.
Don't expect a raise for just "showing up" - not in this economy and not in ANY job public or private. Get real.
I applaud the city's decision. They, in small part, are finally addressing the surplus of poor performing employees. Why would anyone endorse a system that re-hires teachers that principals don't want? Is it any wonder that the city schools are so bad when the system rewards poor performance?
It's a matter of economics. I don't care what union it is, there is no way a member can contribute a as little as 6-15% of salary and after 25 years retire and get $25,000+ with Medical & Cost-of-living increases. And, let's not forget to mention the exfravagances and perversions of un-used sick day payouts and multiple pensions.
Illinois RepubliCrats have been real good at bullshitting all of you and kicking the can down the block and now we've reached the end of the block.
As a person who is in the private sector who must finance my own pension -- and that of public employees -- by virtue of the cost of public pensions being baked in to property taxes and the cost of everything I buy, I say to you: Welcome to the club. You've been fucked.
The situation might not have been so economically unsustainable had the people at the levers of political power in both parties seen that shipping our jobs off-shore was not a plus for sustaining the American society as it eliminated the multiplyer effect of a manufacturing economy which finances pensions, schools, roads, bridges, etc..
A collossally mis-managed State like IL just amplifies the problem. Undocumented aliens siphioning off already diminished resources (I'm not one that buys undocumented aliens contribute more then the draw from our entitlement society).
Abortion has been another nail in our coffin. Had the millions of American children aborted over the last 30 years, not been aborted, there would be a source of millions and millions and millions of young American entry wage workers entering the workforce keeping wages in check and in creasing tax receipts in payroll & sales taxes. Just like the generations before them before the scurge of liberalism took hold in the USA.
It makes no sense to send trillions out side the USA to primarily China to be invested in China's schools, roads and bridges. It makes no sense to send trillions more of our dollars to dig oil out of the ground in the middle east, pay the cost of shipping it great distances in order to put it back in the ground here to be pumped out of the ground again. Not when there is oil right under us, offshore and in Canada.
That's how I see it. I'll get off my soapbox. Untill we get these buttboy politicians out of power we will circle the drain.
Fuck the rest of the world. We take care of ourselves, the rest of the world can do whatever the hell they want because they no better anyways (in their eyes).
Just don't fuck with us.
School protestors are making a visit to the Racoon's house on the North side tonight. This will be a candle light vigil. May I suggest Torches instead folks. I have spoken to Igor and he has an ample suppy for all of you. A guest appearance by the Wolfman and Frankenstein would be most welcome.
Anonymous said...
A lot of 36th ward guys at the Laborers Union meeting this morning crying how they're being picked on by Tom Byrne in sanitation.
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Was at a 19th Ward pub recently. Same story on the other side of town. The guys that I met from the 19th Ward said Tom Byrne was an obnoxious no nothing.
Anonymous said...
That was a hit to all of us. Dont ever believe they were laid off because of their teaching abilities
There were other reasons, personality conflicts, favortism, making room for a friend.
How would the po's like it if their watch commander or XO or commander could decide who was laid off. It would be beat officers, not the front office crew, radio room officer or house cats
2/20/2012 11:50:00 AM
This is true. Front office people haven't been the police for years and years, but they could get held while the police get cut under the Rahmster.
Anonymous said...
Rahm is looking to break the unions, his plan is to bring in auxiliary non-union people in all positions, no benefits, no insurance, no pensions, no cost to the
You would have to be stupid or a gang member to be a CPD officer with no benefits. You think there are scandals now???? Will NEVER happen with the police. The City gets funding from the government for these professions. Who would fund a private sector police officer?? Donations?? Shut the hell up with your non sense typing!
2/19/2012 09:27:00 PM
Yeah your right bud, keep drinking that Democratic Kool Aid pal!
Has nothing to do with democrats or republicans. Law enforcement agencies got funding when Bush was in office too! If you think Chicago will be run anymore differently with a republican as mayor your nuts! Chicago has been run the same way since before the Chicago fire! It will NEVER change! You have multiple governors both republican and democrat in power going to prison in this state. Its accepted and known in Washington Chicago will never change or they would have never put a Chicago guy in the White House! It makes no sense to cry about it anymore.
What do Chicago city workers, firemen, policemen, and teachers have in common with Rahm, the aldermen, the occupiers, and the welfare bustouts?
They all vote Democrat!
You get the government you voted for...
You think a republican mayor would change Chicago?? There have been both republican and democrat governors imprisoned in this state! Explain that? How long has Chicao been run this way?? Um FOREVER! It wont change! Obviously its accepted in Washington it wont change because a Chicago guy is president! And one more thing....if you think voting in this city and state is LEGIT...you smoke crack!
Anonymous said...
Ive said it before, the cpd and cfd should form voting bloc. pick out one elected official and dump him. we are talking about 30,000 votes. its the only thing that the pols understand. squeeky wheel gets the oil.
2/19/2012 07:55:00 PM
Good luck with that. Alot of people that you work with drink the Kool-Aid from the trough.
it's a good way to get rid of shit teachers. would it be better to let bad teachers into the classroom?
2/20/2012 03:34:00 PM
They were not all bad goof. Its the gene pool they teach. Its like being a cop in 7 or 11. There are some pretty good coppers in those districts that get some great arrests. If they fire all those cops in those districts and start over, would that eliminate crime in those areas?? HELL NO! Its the gene pool that live in those areas thats the problem. You can change somebody who doesnt want to obey the law, and you cant teach somebody who doesnt want to learn!
2/20/2012 11:32:00 AM
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Come on now, calm down a little. I don't know what salary steps you and your husband are at, but with three kids school you both have to have been working for a while. A 10 year teacher, according to the CPS salary schedule earns around 81K a year with just a Bachelor' Degree, another 85K or so for the husband, plus his ot and extra checks puts you in the 175 thousand area or so. While that is not a fortune it should be enough to raise 3 kids and have enough left over to donate to some of the families that not only do not have 2 good incomes, but rather have lost all their income.
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175 grand?! Don't we wish! I make 55 before taxes, more than 2/3 of which goes to Catholic schools. We're barely clearing 100 -- and strange as it sounds, in Chicago that doesn't go too far, particularly when attempting to live in a non-shit neighborhood where property taxes exceed 8 grand per year. Furthermore, you take the liberty of presuming both that ot is regular and dependable income and also that we don't donate at mass. Overall, however, you miss my point, which is that teachers are now the bad guys as well. I imagine that you've bought into the notion that educators should be willing to "sacrifice" in order to cure the ills of poverty(both economic and cultural.)
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