Firefighter Proposals
From the comments, the supposed contract proposals presented to the CFD negotiating committee:
- Be prepared for a long fight folks.
This is from Local 2's website:
The Fight Is On!!!!!
May 25th, 2012
Brothers and Sisters,
City representatives met with Local 2’s Executive Board yesterday and presented their proposals for our next collective bargaining agreement. City negotiators did not address any of our proposals nor did they present us with any proposals on how to fix our pension system.
We obviously refused to agree to any of these horrendous proposals, and if what you are about to read makes you angry, it should. This looks to be a long and bitter battle.
Below is a synopsis of some of the City proposals:
· Eliminate Duty Availability Pay
· Only those designated as the EMT B/EMT P would be compensated as such for that shift (All would have to maintain their EMT license for their entire career)
· Eliminate 7% for Cross-Trained FFPMs
· Eliminate furlough buy-out provision completely
· Holiday Pay would be paid to only those who work the actual day.
· Non-duty lay-up coverage from 12 months in a 24 month period to 12 months in a 48 month period
· Days off for Bereavement Leave would be restricted and must include the day of the funeral
· Tuition reimbursement would be for EMT B/EMT P training only
· Candidate Probationary period from 9 months to 18 months for new employees
· Acting down to no longer be considered a variance
· All double houses (Engines and Trucks) would be manned with 9 instead of 10
· All BLS ambulances would be converted to ALS
· Only 1 vacancy order per year in June
· Eliminate Clothing Allowance
· Allow indoor training during inclement weather
· Eliminate Tech A and Diver Pay except for those working in that capacity on a given shift
· Eliminate all Cross-Trained Pay-Grade designations
· Reclassification of Ambulance Commander to F4 Pay Grade
· Eliminate Physical Fitness Incentive Program
We will, of course, continue to vigorously fight these insulting, ridiculous proposals. There likely will come a time when all Local 2 Members will need to join in voicing our disgust over these outrageous attacks on the wages, benefits and conditions we have fought for and earned throughout the years. The City is testing our resolve. The battle has begun! Everyone must take an active role in our future.
We will continue to update you when the situation warrants.
Fraternally,
Tom Ryan
President
Guess what time it is people?
Labels: fire fighters, from the comments
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
113 Comments:
Wow! The only thing that I 100% agree with is all ambulances ALS,the BLS is bullshit taxi cab ride! As a veteran CPD copper we are with you,your fight is our fight,and our fight is your fight! We need to UNITE NOW! No more separation, good humored jokes but now they are after our lively hoods boys and girls! Hey Mike Shields wake up what say you??
Nothing mentions about rahm and his evil crew funding PENSIONS!
How about eliminating all the useless fucking Aldermen, their family employees, and any paid program that has produced zero benefits.
This I can see....· Eliminate Clothing Allowance.
They receive this along with being able to turn in uniforms and get replacements for free.
well the benefit we have over fire is that we actually generate revenue for the city. Parking tickets, movers, impounds, tows, anov's and dui arrests. If they try to fuck us that way I don't see any officer bringing in tickets. especially anything where they don't get court out of it.
Call Ed From MSNBC, he seems to like to fight politicnas who want to take away from the middle class
Ah Yes... Thank You Dineen, Nolan Danahue and hopefully not Shields.
This is what we get for not sticking together!
IT'S REACH AROUND TIME!
Half those things are put in there with the expectation of giving them back so that the other side can feel like they won something in the staged fight. See, look, we're willing to negotiate and give back. Look how understanding we are. We gave you x, y, and z.
And if you don't fight at all then the city will just take x, y and z as a gift and laugh.
It's all about making you feel like you fought and won something while you're getting raped.
Sorry, don't want to divide any group employed by the city. But the firefighters have got NOTHING to gripe about.
The QUOTA Kids will be the future.
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working the holiday?
How do they get uniform allowance when they have a commissary system?
The rest I agree is an outrage
Oh but wait the city loves us though and our leaders have our back they said so on tv. Lmao lmao.
We must go on offensive and ask for more , not assume the game is only what we can keep. They already got us on defensive. Defensive start no way to win a war. Barrage media etc. 3% pay increase per year retire 20 yrs 75% pipe dreams Like that etc
Duty availability and uniform allowance for firefighters? Isn't your start time always the same? Don't you exchange your uniforms at a commisary? You are our comrades and I support you but I think you will lose those two points.
A Fire Fighter Strike was a bad idea back in '79. It was badly handled, bad public relations, no one remembers why they were striking.
All people remember is they left the citizens vunerable and produced wounds in the CFD that still haven't healed.
One of the worst things to come out of that strike was that Jane Byrne lost the election and eventually got us Richie Daley.
Stay Safe, to all of CFD, we love you guys and want you to suceed. Do everything you can short of a strike and we will support you with everything we have.
To all of the working police officers out there: keep working hard. The harder you work, the more appreciative the city politicians and mayor is of your hard work. As you can see, your hard work and dedication really pays off! Keep generating that revenue for the city.
I can't wait for our turn...
Is anyone surprised at this bullshit? This is how the Evil Racoon operates. Throw everything but the kitchen sink at you and in the end if you still get a few crumbs off the floor feel very lucky. Remember the Speed Cameras? He wanted 3,000 all over the city. The hours were from 5am to 11pm. The kind Evil asshole relented (?) and cut back the hours and cameras down to 300....for now. He still got those fucking cameras! This bastard can shake all the hands he wants. He will still stick that BIG ONE up your ass every chance he gets. He wants to nickle and dime police, fire, and all city workers and then piss those savings away on HORSESHIT that he can get a photoop for. Fuck this little son of a bitch. He is a no good sneaky little conniving whore and should be treated as such.
Retired now but I clearly remember when we didn't have the FOP union. These assholes could do anything they wanted to you. Anything. You got whatever table scraps the politicians threw down to you on the floor. Looks like our mayor wants to go back to those days. Unions are under attack all over the country. Repubs and Dems are all trying to break the unions and make us modern day slaves. Democrats were always the party of the working man. Not no mo!
What a fucking mistake to go after the very folks who can make or break this asshole on the 5th floor. They are so arrogant. They already have the teachers taking a walk in September so lets see where this all goes.
what time is it ??? for police its 01-jul-12
Perhaps a show of support from FOP members and a statement from FOP President indicating our support and disgust with such ridiculous proposals. If this is what they hand to CFD just imagine what vile crap they will throw at us.
Thanks for keeping the city from burning officers, now bend over and prepare for a fucking like you never had before.
Oh Gee and those FF have had it so good for so long. Whers are cross traing bump??
remember in november! if it must be the aldermen should also step up to the plate. this will show the citizens, their true colors. no need for extra body guards we need pos on the street. rahm is still short of the thousand he promised. citizens are still being mugged, and shot, while aldermen have special protection. if they were all members of nato, this would not happen. check the budget and find out where all the money goes, or is supposed to go.
Sorry but I agree to half of those, and I'm a FF
Strike by cfd cpd and teachers! Fuck the bs law prohibiting it. The can try to fire us all, good luck with that. We need to come together, strength in numbers. I'm far from being a democrat but i can't understand how they voted this Mayor into office? This Emanuel isn't even a democrat, he's anti union and anti collective bargaining. He's all for making himself look like he turned around the city's deficit regardless of who it hurts.
And the firefighters union endorsed political candidates that hurt the firefighter causes. So this is what you get.
The Tuition Reimbursement program has been abused, and the City is correct to demand that the area of study be job related. Some area colleges and universities have turned into diploma mills because they know the City will send students who will pay, guarantteed.
Then there was the copper in 019, a known Medical Roll Abuser who left the job with a disability because he claims the station door injured some part of his body. This mope went to ultrasound technician school on the tuition reimbursement program. Why should the City pay to train someone in Ultrasound, when the person is alrady trying to avoid their regular job, which was supposed to be the police department? Chef training might be appropriated for the Fire Dept. because they cook for themselves, but how does that apply to the police department?
http://tinyurl.com/7oxgfh7
Remember, boys, they can strike, we can't
They want to play with Fire first this time b/c they know FOP with new regime is going to be the toughest to deal with at the bargaining table.
Some seem fair.
However, at least they didn't proposed a 6-2, 8.5 hours shift that was rumored.
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working the holiday?
How do they get uniform allowance when they have a commissary system?
The rest I agree is an outrage
5/27/2012 12:59:00 AM
We do too. 8 on the books when we are off.
I'm retired CPD and if I hadn't refused to cross the picket line I would've been CFD. I know we all like to bust balls with CFD in a joking manner. Remember that people other than police read this blog and that all of us are under attack. Lets try not to throw shots at CFD and hopefully they'll respond in kind. Ladies and gentlemen its time to support each other and unite against those that would seek to take away benefits we earned.
The CFD get a lot of shit that hasn't made sense for decades.. All those bumps in pay. Bullshit. The average copper wears 12 different hats for no bumps. Uniform allowance? They turn in their cloths for new shit. Most of the time they wear a t shirt and shorts. WTF do they need an allowance for? DIVERS! Check out their contract. Over 200 hundred of them on STAND by status with the bump in pay. That's like passing the detective test and getting their pay, but not doin the job. That comes out to over 600 grand a year payed out. Their getting some shit deals, but over all they have been gettin over. Thier Union has always gottin better deals since Richie.
And it's too bad that FOP blew the deadline. Don't think the city isn't going to jump on that.
Ask to take away residency. Rahm wants to take away everything, let's get something in return!
If this asshole keeps this up, we might have to organize another march!
Expect the same crap for us!
Firemen get paid to sleep at work too. I have no sympathy for them.
The BLS ambulance was only put in place because dude was too lazy to go to a doctor and wanted a free ride.
As a po I say get rid of duty availability and uniform allowance. Roll that money over into my salary so I get it every paycheck and it's all in my pension and overtime.
in 1980 i went on strike to protect the pension fund, manning, pay for overtime, promotions.manning affects the pension, there was money for promotions,but the city spent the money elsewhere. just like today, they owe money to both funds, where is it. ask the budget director burke. the press save for some were on the city side, sound familiar. at the end of the day we got a contract,byrne tried to back out after promising one. she wanted to give the cpd & cfd bindind arbritration.
They can have the uniform allowance if they will replace all
My uniforms and the equipment I want at anytime I want it.
They can take my duty availability if they when they can not deny me the use of my time whenever I feel like it. Also they can never again cancel my days off or restrict my furlough. Further no more deviation from court and I don't need to call in to tell them. And how about one start time per shift
We also have rumors CFD, Like cutting medical time off, no CU for holidays unless you work,No raise, increased medical contributions, cutting personal days,cutting uniform allowance etc...
Mike Shields you need huge shoulders,let us know what you think WE need to do,to stop the bulldozer of rahm and his henchmen we are ready,we are strong. Mike will you lead like George Patton or fall like France did???
You know damn well Racoon eyes has some sinister proposals all lined up for us too. I would like to think Shields and his crew would post the city's ridiculous proposals on our website like the firefighters union has done on theirs.
Without a doubt there is a major battle ahead.... one where we're fighting all of the benefits that have been earned through negotiation over the last 30 years.
Racoon eyes wants all of em back and then some.
I hope the evil bastard rots in Hell.
I fully support the fire department in all their efforts including contract negotiations. However, I do have to say that when I found out that they get a uniform allowance just like us but get all their uniforms for free and replaced for free I was a little floored.
Contract negotiations have traditionally been a give and take process ... you have to give something up to gain something else. I see no mention on the firefighters site of what the city plans on giving up to gain all those ridiculous proposals
Oh that's right I forgot Racoon eyes doesn't subscribe to the give and take tradition all he knows is the take,take, take part.
Hey Rahm karma is a bitch and I truly believe you'll get yours in the end!
If you had ever even THOUGHT about going back for ANY degree, you better sign your ass up for it immediately!!! Looks like what we knew would eventually happen is here: the end of tuition reimbursement.
I'm guilty of putting off that MBA myself, I'll be signing up ASAP to be grandfathered in.
The days of letting the City pay for your Law degree is rapidly coming to an end. Get 'em while you can!
teacher, fireman and cops need to all go on the lines togather..
Stay Safe, to all of CFD, we love you guys and want you to suceed. Do everything you can short of a strike and we will support you with everything we have.
5/27/2012 01:52:00 AM
ehh, if this shit plays out anywhere even CLOSE to the bullshit this little cocksucker's trying to pull and they DO have the right to strike?
You better fucking believe they better strike the fuck outta this little fucking prick and shove it up his ass so far he has to open his mouth to take a shit.
how do they get paid ...?
How do they get...?
The rest I agree is an outrage
5/27/2012 12:59:00 AM
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Idiots. Already, the City is playing divide and conquer - and you're all playing into their hands.
Try not bitching about one single thing CFD gets. Let's support them (it's a novel concept, but try it).
SOLIDARITY! Strength in numbers! SUPPORT them without bitching and whining about what they get. Because the more they lose, the more WE will lose. Use your brains.
Relax guys & girls, this is only what was thrown on the table. Like my union steward said "this is a starting point, this will only save them a little bit of money. While everyone is fighting & arguing over these small things that will say the same some small change, he will be sticking the screws to us with the pension issue."
Why would Local 2 be negotiating both the contract & pension changes together. He is playing with the smoke & mirrors again. BE CAREFUL
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What a fucking mistake to go after the very folks who can make or break this asshole on the 5th floor. They are so arrogant. They already have the teachers taking a walk in September so lets see where this all goes.
5/27/2012 03:45:00 AM
No they are not arrogant nor are they foolish. They are smart. They know they can get away with it because no matter how badly they treat us, some of us are still going to go out there and generate revenue and arrests for the city.
Sometimes I will look at the summary history of various districts on the pdt and the question I ask myself when I see the activity generated by fellow officers is; WHY?
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working
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We get time when a holiday falls on our RDO. Is that what they get too? Or something like that?
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working the holiday?
How do they get uniform allowance when they have a commissary system?
The rest I agree is an outrage
5/27/2012 12:59:00 AM
You still don't get "divide and conquer". You are an idiot.
Every benefit we have is representative of the pay we get for giving up a huge portion of our personal lives to serve and protect.
In lieu of pay we have been afforded other benefits. Any time they take away a benefit, they have diminished our pay. They made it look like they are just pulling some obscene benefit. They are smart, you are not because you can't see it.
Uh, 12:59, we get paid for the holiday when we're not working, remember the 8.5 hours of time you get?
This all stinks. Their union negotiated these benefits and they - or comparable benefits - must stay.
hopefully not Mike Shields.........
Look Mike Shields is right there with Rahm. He won't admit it but he damn well is right in the area.
Didn't any of your mommas have enough common sense to teach you to shut the fuck up when you've got nothing to say? I am a copper and any copper who criticizes what cfd gets is a complete asshole. You don't walk in their shoes. You'd pitch a bitch if they commented on what we have or deserve.
Hey SCC I don't get why you would post any comments that are critical of cfd benefits. Those comments can only hurt us down the road in our own negotiations. Seems like you didn't think this one through.
Rahm did say "you have to bleed", well this is what he meant!
FOP and Firefighters should file a law suit requiring city to repay
funds that were required every pay day into our pension fund . How many Police Officers retired , passed away within a year and the city's share of the officers 30+ years of service were never paid into the pension fund . CPD & CFD pensions would be funded over 100% if City of Chicago had paid their required share into our funds
Remember- CFD rides our back on contract negotiations. Its called a "me too" clause. Its about time they pull their own weight. Some of these proposals are valid.
Sorry, don't want to divide any group employed by the city. But the firefighters have got NOTHING to gripe about.
5/27/2012 12:46:00 AM
You fucking moron. Firefighters have the 'me too' clause. They have the same contract we do. They already took uniform allowances from the medics and it will be gone from the firemen now too. That's the only thing on there that I agree with (and I'm married to a fireman). It's asshats like you that are reason we can't stick together. Shut the fuck up and let the big boys do their job. No one cares about your opinion
All of these downgrades and cuts yet the City can give twenty-nine million dollars to a privately-owned firm to front a proposed building at Lake and Canal Streets ? Emmanuel and his City Council lackeys are real poot-butts. And all they are willing to give is a handshake and a phony smile.
Both the fop and local 2 should counter the city with threats of fighting the residency rule.if rahm gets his way both of us will be taking a huge paycut on top of pension reform,I think its time to call 9.5 bluff!!
I can see uniform allowance.. They still incur upkeep, dry cleaning and so on ...
Those proposed cuts (without the uniform and holiday pay) translate into nearly a 15% pay cut for me.
Lets remember who gets a raise each year now without a vote....9.5 and the aldercrooks. But police and fire are the enemy who are bankrupting the city.
Police will be lucky to keep the contract we have now. That is how Rahm wants it. And no raise. No mention of increased pension contributions.
It is bullshit! As a police officer for over 15 years all the unions need to back each other and stick together on this. Police, Fire, Teachers, Streets and Sans.
These all look bad, but there's no way im gonna deal with indoor training when the weathers bad. Fuck you!
Things will change when normal people go nuts and start dragging the politicians in the street and beating them. Protests around buildings don't work.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Duty availability and uniform allowance for firefighters? Isn't your start time always the same? Don't you exchange your uniforms at a commisary? You are our comrades and I support you but I think you will lose those two points.
5/27/2012 01:43:00 AM
What is the police duty availability for?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Relax guys & girls, this is only what was thrown on the table. Like my union steward said "this is a starting point, this will only save them a little bit of money. While everyone is fighting & arguing over these small things that will say the same some small change, he will be sticking the screws to us with the pension issue."
Why would Local 2 be negotiating both the contract & pension changes together. He is playing with the smoke & mirrors again. BE CAREFUL
5/27/2012 11:58:00 AM
That exactly right!!! Why the fuck are pensions and the contract being negotiated together. Bad move local 2.
Anonymous said...
Sorry but I agree to half of those, and I'm a FF
5/27/2012 06:54:00 AM
Really?? You agree to half of those concessions?? This cant be from somebody who actually works for this city. If You really do you are such a sad soul. If all these benefits which have been negotiated into the contract over the years for one reason or another bother you please go work for a non-union shop. I'm sure hometown or evergreen park are hiring. They would love having a person with your thought process.
Oh.. almost forgot, I'm a fireman too.
Remember, boys, they can strike, we can't
5/27/2012 08:32:00 AM
CFD cannot strike
Local 2 did not want to include pension reform with contract talks, the City wants them 2 items to be negotiated together.
It was not a bad move from Local 2 because we never initiated this. It was what was thrown at us from the city when we wanted to start contract talks!
The " me too" clause only applies to wages and healthcare, nothing else
If it did all pos and ffs would have either 9 or 18 month probation, not different ones
Also when it comes to the death leave we already have that about the day of the funeral
"This I can see....." Please shut up.
For all of you trolls and ignorant posters, go fuck yourselves.
For you politicians, especially Mayor 9.5, don't push your luck thinking that the police will just keep rolling over every time you try to fuck them with compensation or on their pension. EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY has a breaking point. When that point is hit with CPD and CFD it may be time for you politicians to run and hide your shameful faces, because you will not like the response that will come your way.
Mayor Emmanuel, you are truly one of the biggest POS out there. Karma is a bitch.
29 and a day said...
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working the holiday?
How do they get uniform allowance when they have a commissary system?
The rest I agree is an outrage
5/27/2012 12:59:00 AM
Hey dipshit. We (police) get paid for holidays we don't work. it's called comp. time, on our RDO.
If the CFD gets uniform allowance plus commissary then more power to them.
Easy does it, guys
A house divided .....
Both the fop and local 2 should counter the city with threats of fighting the residency rule.if rahm gets his way both of us will be taking a huge paycut on top of pension reform,I think its time to call 9.5 bluff!!
5/27/2012 03:48:00 PM
You are a moron. Threats of fighting the residency rule? Oh, for sure that would have TD 9.5 shaking in his shoes. Give me a break.
Firefighters get uniform pay plus get free uniform through their commissary so that is something that can be cut since it is duplicitous. Sad thing is that they will do it to us too and we don't have a commissary. We have to rely only on that check. Sorry FF's I know you guys need the pay too but since you've got two avenues to get uniforms they probably will cut one.
As a po I say get rid of duty availability and uniform allowance. Roll that money over into my salary so I get it every paycheck and it's all in my pension and overtime.
5/27/2012 10:06:00 AM
I have heard that that money was given in lieu of raises and was to be considered part of our salary. Maybe some old timers can clarify this.
Hopefully the FOP won't bend over for the city. Just like they do with political endorsements. Fran Hurley. Mike Matigan Matt Oshea. Ginger rugai. Anita Alvarez. Etc etc
Duty availability means that my starting time, and therefore my ending time can vary by as much as 5 hrs depending which watch you are on. You could be on the desk at 1300 or on a rapid at 1800. We don't know our schedule in advance, the next days assignments are posted during the tour, so less than 24hrs notice of you hours. You can also have your watch changed and your RDO changed to meet manpower needs. You can have your RDO cancelled. You can have an entire furlough segment unavailable. We deserve every peeny of that and there are deuche bags like Beale that want to take it away.
iremen get paid to sleep at work too. I have no sympathy for them.
The BLS ambulance was only put in place because dude was too lazy to go to a doctor and wanted a free ride.
As a po I say get rid of duty availability and uniform allowance. Roll that money over into my salary so I get it every paycheck and it's all in my pension and overtime.
5/27/2012 10:06:00 AM
What part of the effing city do you live in? I live by Midway and you think CFD is sleeping? Did you ever hear of ambulance assist? You are living back in the 70's. If you are still on the CPD, I am sure you are not on the street, unless you are in some hole. Try to stick together, or are you too dumb to figure that out? Thanks CFD, from long before I was CPD! Some jerks just don't get it? Grew up across the street from the firehouse, 57th and Halsted. Guess you grew up in a much better neighborhood, where you didn't have to hear them run all day and all night long! Guess you never had fire all around you when you were growing up! Thanks CFD!
Retired CPD 2010
Dry cleaning, have you ever seen a firemans uniform?
27 Yr CFD Member said...
Local 2 did not want to include pension reform with contract talks, the City wants them 2 items to be negotiated together.
It was not a bad move from Local 2 because we never initiated this. It was what was thrown at us from the city when we wanted to start contract talks!
Well that dosent mean they should continue to be
29 and a day said...
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working the holiday?
How do they get uniform allowance when they have a commissary system?
The rest I agree is an outrage
5/27/2012 12:59:00 AM
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They get paid the same as CPD = if the holiday falls on your RDO = you get 8 hours on the books;
if the holiday falls in a Furlouh day = you get 8 hours.
Their commissary system does not pay for EVERYTHING that they wear = hence a uniform allowance.
Those little extras were negotiated by the union.They were agreed to by the city because it had no effect on the pensionable base and any future raises would be based on a smaller base salary. Each of those things were a raise of sorts and something was given up or a percentage raise was passed on in order to obtain those moneys. I'll grant you some have stupid names and some people might think we don't deserve them but we earn every nickel we get whatever you want to call it.I also think they are trying to get our eyes off the true target which is your PENSION
Anonymous said...
Firefighters get uniform pay plus get free uniform through their commissary so that is something that can be cut since it is duplicitous. Sad thing is that they will do it to us too and we don't have a commissary. We have to rely only on that check. Sorry FF's I know you guys need the pay too but since you've got two avenues to get uniforms they probably will cut one.
5/27/2012 11:34:00 PM
$$$$$$$
City is already researching a commissary system for us.
Rahm is not your friend said...
29 and a day said...
how do they get paid for holidays when they arent actually working the holiday?
How do they get uniform allowance when they have a commissary system?
The rest I agree is an outrage
5/27/2012 12:59:00 AM
Hey dipshit. We (police) get paid for holidays we don't work. it's called comp. time, on our RDO.
If the CFD gets uniform allowance plus commissary then more power to them.
5/27/2012 10:14:00 PM
This is exactly what old man Daley did to keep control of his city employees. Divide and conquer. Do you know thew history of the CFD benefits? NO! Just like duty availability for CPD was given to replace a rasie. Quit critizing others until you know the history. Wait until Rahm negiotates with us. Will CFD critize us? I doubt it. CFD is very organized and pro union. At least the CFD union is vocal and will fight for every benefit. Let us watch FOP when they start to negiotate. Watch the behind the scene negiotations.
That "Me Too" clause =
that was something that the FOP negotiated away many many years ago.
We did have it = but sadly it is gone forever.
this is just posturing by both sides. they will eventually come to some agreement. the bottom line is that the city is broke and there just is not going to be as much money to spend in the future as has been spent in the past. there is no way around that.
city employees in all departments are going to end up having to participate in the spending reductions.
my guess is CFD and CPD will end up getting the best deals, while the other city employees will get really hosed to take care of those two departments.
From reading some of the comments, it appears some of you dont realize just about everything the fireman get, we get in one form or another. If they get screwed we will too. He's talking about taking away the 13 holidays, you'll only get paid if your actually working, Our Uniform Allowance will be gone, our medical will be changed, no more acting out of grade, no more bid spots, he will come after us too.
rahm save $ for cpd and cfd . cut alderman to 20 , 311 does all the aldermans work . cut pay and benefits for alderman , it's a part time job.
Duty availability is part or and included in the pension. Thats almost like being part of your alary, only difference its paid quarterly, not twice monthly Years ago it was not included in the pension
"A Fire Fighter Strike was a bad idea back in '79. It was badly handled, bad public relations, no one remembers why they were striking.
All people remember is they left the citizens vunerable and produced wounds in the CFD that still haven't healed.
One of the worst things to come out of that strike was that Jane Byrne lost the election and eventually got us Richie Daley.
Stay Safe, to all of CFD, we love you guys and want you to suceed. Do everything you can short of a strike and we will support you with everything we have."
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What fucking idiot wrote this??? CFD members are reaping the benefits on the backs of those in CFD who had the balls to stick together and topple that crazy bitch Byrne to the ground. They fought for ALL the benefits available to CFD today and pushed Byrne to sign the CPD contract. Byrne fired strikers and sent telegrams their homes verifying it; she was on TV, CFD uniform in hand, telling us we'd never wear the uniform again. Crazy, drunken, bitch. Jeeze, I'm glad you, "...love you guys,and want you to succeed." Now all YOU have to do is grow a pair, and fight for your rights.
Those little extras were negotiated by the union.They were agreed to by the city because it had no effect on the pensionable base and any future raises would be based on a smaller base salary. Each of those things were a raise of sorts and something was given up or a percentage raise was passed on in order to obtain those moneys. I'll grant you some have stupid names and some people might think we don't deserve them but we earn every nickel we get whatever you want to call it.I also think they are trying to get our eyes off the true target which is your PENSION
5/28/2012 08:29:00 AM
One of the best comments yet. This is exactly why it was done because they dont count toward pension and raises. Now to all you haters on this board how about showing a little SOLIDARITY for some fellow blue shirts and stop your bitching!!! Remember they will be coming for CPD next.
Just remember folks - CPD and CFD -
whatever you give away in negotiations YOU NEVER GET BACK!
Been told firemen have a commissary to get uniforms and replace them, but also get a uniform allowance for cleaning them and stuff like that , alterations, etc
What fucking idiot wrote this??? CFD members are reaping the benefits on the backs of those in CFD who had the balls to stick together and topple that crazy bitch Byrne to the ground. They fought for ALL the benefits available to CFD today and pushed Byrne to sign the CPD contract. Byrne fired strikers and sent telegrams their homes verifying it; she was on TV, CFD uniform in hand, telling us we'd never wear the uniform again. Crazy, drunken, bitch. Jeeze, I'm glad you, "...love you guys,and want you to succeed." Now all YOU have to do is grow a pair, and fight for your rights.
5/28/2012 11:33:00 AM
The only firemen that got fired were the ones that committed crimes during the strike. Byrne did not fire them for striking!
So much petty jealousy and straight up ignorance in this thread. It's embarrassing!
What are you going to do if they end residency? Honestly, I want to know. I live in the farthest NW corner of the City and there are reasonably priced houses that have been sitting on the market for up to two years! You honestly expect to be able to sell your house and hit the burbs? Dream on!!!
Ten years ago lifting residency might have been great. Now, it would absolutely be a curse.
Remember anyone can write on this site, like the person who wrote I agree with half of the concessions and signed FF, yeah right, probably because u are not a firefighter and probably can't even spell firefighter so its signed FF.
The city is attempting to attack every benefit fought for. Thank you for your dedication and hard work and possibly not coming home to your family now go fuck yourselves!
Remember this at our up coming negotiations. To hell with satisfaction and current contract. We have families too. Remember gas will soon be $5 along with everything else inflated. City stickers are now $85. Red light cameras, etc.
Chicago will no doubt have a casino soon and will be rolling in revenue. Our contract is for years, not time to sell out.
If you had ever even THOUGHT about going back for ANY degree, you better sign your ass up for it immediately!!! Looks like what we knew would eventually happen is here: the end of tuition reimbursement.
I'm guilty of putting off that MBA myself, I'll be signing up ASAP to be grandfathered in.
The days of letting the City pay for your Law degree is rapidly coming to an end. Get 'em while you can!
Too late. Most colleges are now requiring that you pay them up front so YOU can wait until the city sends the check.
Let's face it ...everyone is screwed...this ass got elected because the 4,000 people who voted recognized his name for being Obama's boy...he's screwed the teachers and he'll do the same to CPD/CFD . Don't know much about CFD, but I think CPD and the teachers need new/stronger union leaders that will get their mesage to the public and fight this little asshole to the end...everything you hear is so one sided...I know teachers that pay over $2,000 a year out of pocket to keep their classrooms running and hang materials that CPS tells them they need to have displayed....and teachers that are threatened with violence everyday they go to teach the kids Rahm cares so deeply about( in front of the cameras anyway).Why doesn't the news ever talk about that??? I hope CPD,CFD and the teachers stand together and ruin this evil little man....
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If you had ever even THOUGHT about going back for ANY degree, you better sign your ass up for it immediately!!! Looks like what we knew would eventually happen is here: the end of tuition reimbursement.
I'm guilty of putting off that MBA myself, I'll be signing up ASAP to be grandfathered in.
The days of letting the City pay for your Law degree is rapidly coming to an end. Get 'em while you can!
Too late. Most colleges are now requiring that you pay them up front so YOU can wait until the city sends the check.
5/29/2012 04:03:00 AM
You're right. I got my MBA and had to pay up front for classes. Still I managed to graduate before some of the bean counters in the higher echelon started paying attention and questioning why they were paying for my schooling.
By time the leaves fall I will be collecting pension checks. God bless you all and please stick it in the ballerina's ass every chance you get.
Whats wrong with this? Cpd bashing cfd and vice versa. Were all in this together. We need to stick together. If they screw cfd or teachers then us at cpd need to be with them. If they break one union and get their way the city will continue with the rest. Bitch all u want but once we give something up we won't get it back. Don't be stupid
Would it be the truth or a lie if I said that a Jewish Mayor will negotiate the best deal for you?Or is that a unfair and biased assumption?Am I politically incorrect by saying this mayor is being politically correct?Tom Ryan should read the book "you can negotiate anything".Anger just gets in the way of your chess game!
Since a lot of you"anonymous" posters have no idea what you are talking about I will set the record straight. I am a paramedic for the CFD and we generate a lot of income for the city. I'm gonna say for every shift I work my partner and I create about $15-$20k!!!! It's approximately $1000 for an ambulance to take you to the hospital. How many of you officers can say that??? You don't generate that in one year! We don't get a uniform allowance we have to trade in old stuff for new. Our duty availability is for when we get mandatorily rehired because we are so short handed. Which happened often during NATO. Also if there is an emergency recall you will be called in to work. These ambulances run their butts off! Usually we are up for most of our 24 hour tour! If you think it's a cake job then I invite you to come and ride with us, especially on a weekend in the summer when the city is up for grabs but pack a lunch because we won't be making it back to the firehouse or stopping for an hour and a half lunch at Portillos!!!
funny how some of you coppers th ink we cfd sleep all day yet our brothers on the west side have our back every day because they are there with us. we thank them for their support. your next
Just a clarification for all you ignorant idiots! Duty availability for firemen is to pay the overage in hours that they work in a week! A fireman works 24 hours on and 48 hours off so in any given week they work 8 hours over 40 some weeks they work 72 hours! So the duty availability is a nugget if you will to compensate the hour overages! The pay if you do the math is for much less than their scale, it's not at time and a half and all members get the exact amount regardless of rank or time on! Take away that Differential"Duty Availability" Pay and then what will the City pay them time and a half for anything over 40? So for you less informed officers instead of sitting on your asses while all this crime is happening criticizing the CFD get you nose to the grind and do your job! I would love to see the day any of you officers would work 32 hours at less than time and a half ever! So what do you officers get duty availability for again?????
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