Power Plant Shutdowns
- Edison International announced Wednesday that Midwest Generation will shutter Chicago's Fisk and Crawford coal plants in September, ahead of schedule and years before a state-imposed deadline to clean up or shut down the plants.
Chicago is the only major U.S. city with coal plants operating within its borders. For years, environmental and community groups have blamed Fisk and Crawford for high asthma rates and other health problems in their predominantly Latino, low-income neighborhoods. A 2010 report by the National Research Council estimated that pollution from the coal plants costs surrounding areas $127 million a year in hidden health costs.
In total, 150 to 180 employees are expected to lose their jobs, according to Edison International. Severance benefits are not required under the collective bargaining agreement.
So 180 less jobs in Illinois, a state hurting for jobs. And this is the topper:
- Midwest Generation's plants in Illinois represent approximately 5,943 megawatts of electric generating capacity out of a total of 44,127 megawatts in the state.
The entire article doesn't even address where Illinois is going to make up almost 13% of its electrical generating capacity. We haven't seen Edison building any nuclear power plants - in fact, the ones that exist are reaching the end of their useful life and are being mothballed. Coal plants aren't being built. So called "peaker" generators aren't any good for long term power. Is Edison buying power from out-of-state? That isn't always good business sense and if power shortages arrive in generating states, then net buyers of power will be the first cut off.
Anyone have any idea what's the end result here?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Instead of burning dirty coal lets burn dirty politicians. Maybe they will generate less pollution after they are cooked. The upside will be no more greedy self serving political assholes to deal with.
Didn't I read somewhere about a plan where we would buy electric directly from the city?
This would allow them to raise the prices at their whim (no Citizens Utility Board oversight) and actually charge different rates for different parts of the city.
Not to mention the usual problems that go along with government-run anything.
"The entire article doesn't even address where Illinois is going to make up almost 13% of its electrical generating capacity."
More hard-hitting reporting!
What I'd like to know is, who's got a covetous eye on all that land?
State Line Generating out in Indiana is also shut down.
Now trace the lost jobs back out the BNSF and Milwaukee Road, all the way out to Wyoming and Montana where "super railroad" was built to get the low-sulfur coal to us here.
The nuclear plants are aging, and solar/wind/etc. are just Solyndra/Obama scams.
Where are we going to get peak power this summer? Emanuel's finger?
This is a disaster.
Yup and consider this...
Electric Vehicle Charging
[ 2 ] By Christel Hunter | May 9, 2011
Car buyers who wish to take advantage of new technology electric vehicles — either battery electric vehicles or plug-in hybrid vehicles — have several choices. With no additional electrical system upgrade to their home, battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles can be charged using a standard 120-volt, 20-amp receptacle. This is referred to as Level I charging. Unfortunately, a full charge at this voltage can take quite some time, generally estimated at 8–20 hours. If a shorter charge time is desired, a 240-volt charging station can be installed which cuts charge time approximately in half. This is referred to as Level II charging, and connections are achieved using a standardized connector manufactured to SAE J1772. For an even faster charge, Level III chargers operate at 480 volts and can charge a vehicle in less than half an hour; these are presently rare, not fully standardized and only available in non-residential locations.
http://www.iaei.org/magazine/2011/05/electric-vehicle-charging/
AND if we are going to enforce the new EPA mileage standards there's going to be a lot of lost tax revenue that is going to have to be made up for somewhere down the road.
Another crisis no doubt that will not be allowed to go to waste as the no-bid clouted contractors are most likely already lining up to cash in.
18 cent fed tax, 19 cent Illinois tax, cook county gas tax, Chicago gas tax and then to top it all off we're one of the few states that charge a sales tax on gas...and one of the highest in the nation 10%
Do the math. If your vehicles mileage is doubled, billions of dollars in lost tax revenues result.
On the creating jobs propaganda.
Let me just say that the latest Food Stamp Caseload report is in. It covers Feb. and it's going the wrong way. About 13,000 more people in Illinois are on Food Stamps in Feb 2012 v Jan 2012. If we're creating living wage jobs why is this number going up?
http://frac.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/snapdata2012_february.pdf
Don't worry, The Democrats have Solyndra to fill that gap!
Obama pledged to go after the Coal Industry and he has. And Green Energy Projects like Solyndra will save us. Oh, I forgot they went bankrupt after taking $530 million tax dollars. HOW IS THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKIN OUT FOR YA?
The end result is that we have an increasingly fragile power grid, where we may experience emergency blackouts, or pre-planned "brown-outs," with no electric service for many hours at a time. ComEd thinks and operates like a government agency ... they pay their top people top salaries ... but they do not care at all, how their decisions affect the individual citizen or family.
PREPARE NOW, for times when you will get NO service from ComEd. I have already purchased several kerosene heaters, and kerosene, for the eventuality that we have a power shut-down in the middle of a typical Chicago winter. Without power, what will you do to keep your home heated? In the summer, we can just sweat and suffer with no A/C, but in the winter, this could mean life or death. Prepare now. ComEd is a truly heartless company. And to top it off, they have a plan to install "SmartMeters" in every home within a few years. Do a YouTube search on "The Dark Side of Smart Meters," to see how diabolical these meters are. You are FAR better off with the current analog meter you have right now.
Estimated "hidden health costs." How does one estimate things that are hidden? Is this one of those estimates of WMDs?
Actually, the two plants that are shutting down only comprise 2.5% of the states generating capacity (http://www.fiskandcrawford.com/about.html).
"The entire article doesn't even address where Illinois is going to make up almost 13% of its electrical generating capacity."
Midwest Generation has more than those two coal plants.
The $530 million that went to Solyndra could have purchased air scrubbers for every single coal powered plant in the US.
Of course asthma in the community has nothing to do with cockroach dander and poor housekeeping practices, it is all the evil coals fault. Funny how asthma was never a problem before, seeing how that power plant has been there for what, 80 years? Connect the dots media. But we know you won't because it doesn't fit yours, nor the socialist template.
Just getting closer to Obama's goal of making the cost of electricity "necessarily skyrocket."
So years ago when that area was white (it used to be called Hawthorne - NOT Little Village or as they call it La Villita), were the asthma rates hi then too?!! If they were, light would have been shed upon this matter for a VERY long time. Maybe the reason why asthma is so prevent in this area (and other lo income areas) is:
A) It's FILTHY!!!! PICK UP YOUR TRASH!! Around your home - front back and sides including the areas adjacent to your home (alley and street). Little Village and Pilsen are FILTHY FILTHY areas! More filthy than other Hispanic lo income areas such as Humboldt Park, Back of the Yards and South Chicago. Here's a thought. Maybe the people that actually live there should spend more time cleaning and taking care of their neighborhoods instead of complaining about other things like this!!
B) ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - that area is SOOO overcrowded - it's ridiculous. If our immigration laws were enforced, over-crowding wouldn't be an issue. In fact, probably 2/3's of the population in that are would be gone.
C) DIRTY PEOPLE!! - Not everyone that lives in that area is dirty or a low-life. I've been in homes in that area that are VERY well kept and clean - in and out. Those are the exception. And that's why, most Hispanic people who are that way LEAVE once they are able to. HOWEVER, MANY of the people that live there do not clean their homes, throw out trash as they should and guess what?! They have rodent problems (mice, rats, roaches, ants, etc). Roaches are a HUGE cause of asthma. Why do roaches comes you may ask? Maybe because people DO NOT CLEAN their homes ESP their kitchens and bathrooms or any place where water is used let alone food in the kitchen.
BUT of course you can't even have a public service announcement telling people to tidy after themselves because all the liberals, reverends, community hacktivists will be up in arms about it.
BUT instead we'll close down plants that employ people that actually contribute to society in a productive way, pay taxes, obey the law, etc.
Get locked and loaded boys and girls if you haven't done so already.
Unrest is coming.................
It was said about 2 years ago. Comed not updating the power grid will cause Chicago to have rolling blackouts like parts of the west coast. Starting to look like that might actually happen.
when the power gets tight on hot days, cut off the areas where the "activists" live. And, is the gov going to add 120million back to the state to maybe reduce my taxes, since the "Hidden medical costs (wtf???)" are no longer needed
Not a cop and I don't work for Exelon Nuclear or Midwest Gen, but this question is in my wheelhouse.
Northern Illinois (including Chicago) gets about 80% of its electricity from the nuclear generating plants scattered around the northern half state. This fluctuates with scheduled maintenance outages, etc. Midwest Gen has more coal plants than just the two mentioned, so not all the capacity will be gone at once, but they might close the others over the next few years if they don't get emissions concessions from the state and the EPA.
The two plants closing generate 858MW of coal that is going away, and 214MW of oil fired peakers that probably won't be closed.
Also, not all our power needs to be produced locally. The PJM grid ties us into 14 other states with something like 160 GW of total capacity (can't remember the exact number). There is a capacity surplus in the grid, so with some really complicated math you can balance your load across the grid and not really miss these two plants.
The nuclear plants are getting license extensions to run for a few more decades, and hopefully we'll wise up and start building more.
CPD and CFD are always welcome to come down 55 to hang out and train with the geeks in the woods. :)
Pipefitters will starv,no more 0T!
RE: "Anonymous said...
Didn't I read somewhere about a plan where we would buy electric directly from the city?"
The City is considering negotiating a rate from a 3rd party electricity provider for both the City offices and residents.
If approved, it WILL NOT BE A MANDITORY CHANGE, but an OPTION for anyone to consider.
It will require a ONE YEAR CONTRACT and will CUT THE COST OF ELECTRICITY APPROXIMATELY IN HALF - from 7 to 8 cents per KWH, to 4 cents per KWH.
The 3rd party electricity will still be delivered by Comed, and metered by the esisting meters, but will be generated from windmills and solar - NOT from COAL or GAS.
Regarding the coal fired power plant shutdowns, YES, they will eliminate jobs, but they will eventually also clean up the air in Chicago - mostly in the Pilsen neighborhood.
That dirty air contributes to millions of dollars a year in unnecessary healthcare costs.
So, to answer two questions:
1. NO, the City will not be selling electricity.
2. The sale by the 3rd party will still be regulated by the ICC.
3. YES, it will eliminate jobs at those plants but most of those workers will be retained to decommission the plants and then be moved within the company that owns the plants.
See: www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1942572247/Chicago-s-last-two-coal-plants-to-close-in-September for more information on the power plant closings.
See: www.electricaggregation.org for more information on how power purchasing aggrigation is saving power customers money.
OFF TOPIC!!!!!
1029hrs @ Compstat meeting CFD called to respond to meeting!!
Someone had a seizure during the meeting.
Details to follow!!
The Fisk Generating Station at 1111 W. Cermak (shown at right, in Pilsen) and the Crawford Generating Station at 3501 S. Pulaski (in Little Village) are owned by Midwest Generation, a subsidiary of California-based Edison International, a corporation which sells electricity to Commonwealth Edison. None of the power generated at Fisk and Crawford is actually sold to Illinois utilities, but rather is used to maintain reliabity of the electrical grid during peak times. Chicago residents are therefore bearing the ill health effects of dirty plants that send their product elsewhere
So we suffer the health problems and IlLINOIS dosen't get the power from the power plant NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I'd like to know is, who's got a covetous eye on all that land?
5/03/2012 12:21:00
Exactly.
If your familiar with the Fisk site, you would have noticed that they have constructed some of those huge electrical transmission towers along the area where the old coal yard used to be. They are bringing in some high voltage from somewhere. Another thing that no one seems to talk about with ComEd. Their property on Cermak Rd. was once used by the Peoples gas light & Coke Co. They used coal to make natural gas for years before it became cheeper to buy. The land itself was polluted and they had been replacing the soil there for years. How many additional cases of cancer has that caused to people that live, work and patrol that area????
This is obamas plan to shut down all coal fueled energy producing plants in the entire USA.
Throw in that the State Line Generating Plant is shut down as well.
Add another 10% loss in capacity and we're down almost one quarter of the systems capacity....
You're actually defending coal power plants within city limits because there are jobs there? Listen to the hacking coughs of the kids all over this city, and tell me something's not wrong with the air, and coal's not partially to blame. We need coal, unfortunately, but there's no reason to have a plant w/in a high pop density area.
We have a boat at Michigan City, and every year we get a letter from NICOR saying that if ever the plant, which is right there next to the marina, lets any dust or material land on our beautiful white boats, it will pay to have them detailed. Guess what...we have NEVER had to take them up on their offer. Coal is clean and cheap and efficient. And coal provides thousands of jobs in this country. Nice comments on the "smart meters". This should be a great year.
Its all going according to plan:
Enjoy watching that 55" lcd screen you just got, want to watch tv. pay the city. how convenient. I was downtown a while ago and looked up at all these glass towers hmm, whats inside them I asked, wow their sure are a lot of big banks, big Hq's and other secret big player corporations here. How, why are we broke again?
They make you take off your shoes at the airport, they frisk old ladies, they limit liquids to "three ounces or less, everything in a clear plastic bag," but masked men with climbing gear and backpack spray tanks filled with an unknown substance can invade a Chicago power plant and climb hundreds of feet up above the city, can dangle off bridges endangering interstate commerce on a navigable waterway, with no consequences whatsoever.
THAT IS BECAUSE "ENVIRONMENTAL" RADICALS LIKE "GREENPEACE" ARE THE MAYOR'S BUDDIES.
The Mayor does not like electricity either.
I saw all those large, expensive four-color-process posters on city bus shelters -- the anti-power-plant material. I get the sneaky feeling that we paid for these, and for the ad space, "as a public service."
...and then Emanuel is crawling over the plant sites with a bunch of "activist" people. I believe he wants to make "parks" out of the locations.
Both Edison and People's Gas now lay out that "delivery" bull__t. Not responsible for anything anymore. Everything is handled by someone else, somewhere else. "Thank you for telling us, we will relay your concerns." Customer Service Department gibble-gabble.
The basis of this was summed up in a Dilbert cartoon -- "If we manage effectively enough, we can turn a profit without having any product at all."
They are serious.
SOMEONE got away with $450 million from the Obama/Solyndra "green power" robbery. It's not like the money was raked into a pile and burned.
"In the summer, we can just sweat and suffer with no A/C..."
--5/03/2012 04:29:00 AM
...unless you are frail and elderly, in which case you will be left to die as in 1999.
"Roaches are a HUGE cause of asthma. Why do roaches come you may ask? Maybe because people DO NOT CLEAN their homes ESP their kitchens and bathrooms or any place where water is used let alone food in the kitchen."
--5/03/2012 07:34:00 AM
A. RACIST.
B. NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT.
C. ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
It is the dust of dried-up, dead roaches that is a powerful allergen. The walls and everything are full of it where FILTHY DIRTY PEOPLE LIVE.
Even in the workplace -- bitch getting all excited about "bees coming in." Look in the wastebasket under her desk, there is an inch of brown fluid from all the old sandwiches, banana peels, etc. she has been plopping in there for months.
Gee, I wonder what attracts bugs?
Ahit, ahit, ahit, ah nees mah inhala.
So will everyone else around you.
Thanks loads.
"Obama’s hostility toward the coal industry started before he became the leader of the free world. While campaigning for the presidency in 2008 Obama promised his cap-and-trade energy policy would make electricity prices “skyrocket” and he added, “So if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can – it’s just that it will bankrupt them.“
Theblaze.com
"When it comes to alternative energy, Obama positively drove on to the left shoulder. The administration has promised wonders from wind, solar and advanced coal combustion. It has thrown money at these as though it were rice at a wedding. The most conspicuous of this mind-over-matter exercise was, of course, Solyndra. But the spending has been lavish, indeed promiscuous, and the bankruptcies are filling up court dockets
"There is a capacity surplus in the grid, so with some really complicated math you can balance your load across the grid and not really miss these two plants."
--5/03/2012 08:37:00 AM
Great post!
I'm sure you know that gut feeling that "a power plant in the hand is worth two in the bush." Losing THREE -- State Line, Crawford, Fisk.
There is too much of that "complicated math" today -- all this "just in time" philosophy. Yeah, there is always an investment tied up, like my extra food, flashlight, batteries at home, but I think it is worthwhile.
Kind of like the Russians didn't scrap their old T-34s -- they saved them to bury hull-down. Instant strongpoint to protect a road junction or other strategic asset. A couple of guys could exact one hell of a toll and really hold things up for a while.
Us? We donate old ambulances, pumpers, etc. to Mexico, and brag about it in the newspaper. Anything bad happens, we count on "mutual aid" to fill in. There are good plans, but maybe we rely on it more tha we should.
"The nuclear plants are getting license extensions to run for a few more decades, and hopefully we'll wise up and start building more."
Not with this Nanny State.
The enviros first hit Illinois mining jobs -- now they don't want anyone burning low-sulfur either, even if it comes all the way from Wyoming. I see those plant stacks on a clear summer day (not when it's below zero just at sunset, when the enviros take their pictures so the hot air will look really dramatic) and they are about as clean as you can get.
I know what a Ringelman chart is...so did the old city inspector who'd give you a ticket for smoke back in the day. Not just for stationary boilers, either. They used to hang out on railroad overpasses, getting locomotive numbers and writing those tickets.
In the meantime, the population is going to be increased by at least 150 million by 2050 if we don't stop it.
Talk about drawing a load.
I know the real Com Ed engineering guys do not rest easy -- they feel like they are on shifting sand, nothing to work with but they'll take the heat if anything goes bad.
If I see that it is safe and will not distract them, I always stop and say thanks to the guys who have to go down the 130-degree hole in August and work on that terrible "parkway cable;" what is that, 117 kV? That or up the pole on a winter night. They are Com Ed, not what's in the public relations office.
Some utilities have helicopters with a seat built 'way on an outrigger for a third man who repairs high voltage lines while the crew hovers. I mean...I can't look.
God bless and stay safe.
"Roaches are a HUGE cause of asthma. Why do roaches come you may ask? Maybe because people DO NOT CLEAN their homes ESP their kitchens and bathrooms or any place where water is used let alone food in the kitchen."
--5/03/2012 07:34:00 AM
There is no working copper reading this who has not seen white enamel kitchen stoves that are BROWN with YEARS of accumulated grease -- and it's all the way down the sides and back, too, when you see it out in the alley finally.
What really gets me is the older people who always have relations at the door for loans, free babysitting, etc. -- but never with a bucket of cleaning things.
"What I'd like to know is, who's got a covetous eye on all that land?"
--5/03/2012 12:21:00
Here ya go --
Emanuel names group to study reuse of Fisk, Crawford power plant sites
April 25, 2012
"Mayor Rahm Emanuel...named a panel dominated by Pilsen/Little Village community activists and politicians..."
"Mr. Emanuel said in a statement. "We need to work together to determine the best use for this land, that will create jobs and economic opportunity in these communities. That is why I have convened this task force."
"Named to the group were the area's two aldermen, Rick Munoz, 22nd, and Danny Solis, 25th, as well as three community officials: Jerry Mead-Lucero, organizer with the Pilsen Environmental Rights and Reform Organization; Nelson Soza, executive director of the Pilsen Alliance; and Kimberly Wasserman Nieto, executive director of the Little Village Environmental Justice Organization."
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120425/BLOGS02/120429876/emanuel-names-group-to-study-reuse-of-fisk-crawford-power-plant-sites
Cool. Just wait for the air conditioner overload season to kick in. Rolling brown outs and black outs.
"Listen to the hacking coughs of the kids all over this city..."
--5/03/2012 01:15:00 PM
Yeah, right. Those clove bidi cigarettes from Indonesia -- "Sigaret Kretek" and so forth from the dirty little stores who don't care how they make a nickel will put a kid in the hospital decades before any generating station. The things are toxic, cause chemically-induced pneumonia, and can help collapse a lung.
You don't even have to finish the whole pack.
I'm sure there is newer crap today; some of these "synthetic incense" blends or whatever that drive people out of their minds.
Get locked and loaded boys and girls if you haven't done so already.
Unrest is coming.................
5/03/2012 07:34:00 AM
Just as they planned.... Remember their motto, don't let a crisis go to waste.
In 2008, the liberal advocacy publication The Chicago Reporter ("Investigating race and poverty since 1972") published an "investigative" article that branded the Fisk plant as a "toxic neighbor"---despite public health data from the city Health Department that showed that not only were asthma rates in Pilsen/Little Village no higher than in other city neighborhoods, they were actually lower. Those stats didn't fit the liberal narrative, so The Chicago Reporter trotted out activists to poo-poo the data and claim that illegal immigrants' fear of being deported led to underreporting of asthma in the Hispanic community---which is baloney because Chicago, long a sanctuary city, even serves large numbers of illegals at its two Health Department clinics in that area. AND Health Department stats, just in case, were nudged upwards by epidemiologists to reflect the possibility of underreporting. But facts are stubborn things, and the environmental lefties have consistently ignored them when it comes to Fisk and Crawford. http://www.chicagoreporter.com/news/2008/10/toxic-neighbor
This is all propaganda. Barry has an agenda to bankrupt coal power plants. Less power plants = monopoly = HIGHER PRICES. GE is exempt from all of this and can build plants wherever and however they want. GE builds them 20 miles south of the border. I guess environment is not affected there huh? Because they sponsor Barry he needs to pay them back somehow so he shuts down the competition. It's similar to Wal-Mart killing small retailers. California and other states already experience blackouts. They are testing how people will take it because soon it will be a regular occurrence. China builds 2 coal plants a week and here they shut down 2 a week.
This whole GLOBAL WARMING and GO GREEN agenda is another hoax. It is so sad that people believe this bullshit. Since when water is a commodity and carbon dioxide is a poisonous gas? Anyone with brains knows that it's the TEMPERATURE that sets the CO2 level and NOT the other way around. No one bothers to research any of it - people just read headlines and suddenly become environmental experts.
I highly recommend watching this interview
and reading the book "BEHIND THE GREEN MASK". It will open your eyes at a lot of things.
"The City is considering negotiating a rate from a 3rd party electricity provider for both the City offices and residents."
Thanks for that info!
Maybe we can sell all our generating plants to Chicago Parking Meter Company and have that company from Abu Dabai maintain the plants and reap the windfall profits. Daley's law firm could negotiate the sale so we can all get fucked good and hard.
What could go wrong?
"electric will necessarily skyrocket".. and NOW we are being asked to PAY for COM ED to install SMART METERS.. ask the people in CA who have them.. THEY not YOU control how COOL or HOT your house is basically the electric company can turn DOWN or UP your thermostat remotely...30-35 years ago the people had their electric bills doubled .. WHY.. we were told we were purchasing a new power plant that would belong to the people and keep our bills LOW.. each year they GO UP.. and the plant well some POLITICIAN SOLD the plant to EXXON.. and strangely enough the PEOPLE never saw the profits from the sale NOR who did it..
To P.O. Randy Stevens:
Quit being such a liberal with your electrically heated home. Buy a house with natural gas heat, then all you'll need is a backup generator that runs off natural gas during the winter to run your furnace and the rest of your home. It will also keep your refrigerator and lights going during the summer blackouts. Please don't endanger your family with white gas space heaters.
While everyone was climbing all over about the pollution from the Fisk plant, they seem to ignore the smelting company accross Cermak Rd. from the Fisk plant. If anyone ever drove to the Police academy from the south, say up Loomis St., you would wonder what the fog was for at least two blocks. It was the discharge from that company heating metals! Imagine the pollution with the company going three shifts? That can't be healthy... And a high school to the west.
Com Ed doesnt rely on these stations.They have added cap banks that will pick up any slack needed.Also there is PJM.Google it.
Anonymous said...
What I'd like to know is, who's got a covetous eye on all that land?
5/03/2012 12:21:00
Exactly.
5/03/2012 11:15:00 AM
Why, none other than Vanecko Property Development and Management dontcha know!!!!
Anonymous said...
"Obama’s hostility toward the coal industry started before he became the leader of the free world. While campaigning for the presidency in 2008 Obama promised his cap-and-trade energy policy would make electricity prices “skyrocket” and he added, “So if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can – it’s just that it will bankrupt them.“
Theblaze.com
5/03/2012 03:39:00 PM
Anonymous said...
"When it comes to alternative energy, Obama positively drove on to the left shoulder. The administration has promised wonders from wind, solar and advanced coal combustion. It has thrown money at these as though it were rice at a wedding. The most conspicuous of this mind-over-matter exercise was, of course, Solyndra. But the spending has been lavish, indeed promiscuous, and the bankruptcies are filling up court dockets
5/03/2012 03:47:00 PM
ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT!!!!!!!!! GREAT POSTS!!!!!
I've heard of people trying to harness electricity from lightning.
http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Lightning_Power
"One strike has enough energy to light 150,000,000 light bulbs."
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