Sergeants List Delayed Why?
Two interesting rumors. First one:
- Sgt.'s and Lt.'s list were done as of Friday but because someone leaked it out HR got pissed and intentionally held it back while they investigate the leak. Apparently, Ladner who was out of town on Friday was not to happy and so the decision was made to hold it back pending investigation.
List won't be out until they feel it is adequate now...
Ladner is a control freak who thinks she runs the entire Department, and it might be true if she has the power to stop promotion lists in a Department that couldn't keep a secret to save itself. Whatever, the list won't be secret unless she releases it on a Wednesday afternoon when no one is looking.
The second rumor is a bit more believable, given the history of the CPD:
- Hey SCC, supposedly one of the "merit picks" you shine the spotlight on ended up taking 30 pending before the Police Board a few days before the list was released, so now the entire merit list is undergoing a serious second look to weed out potential embarrassments.
Does anyone else think that maybe that should have been the first thing done for a "meri-clout-orious" list - a simple background check for open investigations?
Labels: promotions, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
130 Comments:
Who cares about sgts, when are they going to make a Dets. class??
both false... its for the fiscal year reasons. Stop holding your breath people. the list wont be out until end of june or beginning of july. That way the city can make these sgts on next years budget. Downtown is aware of this... The list was never going to be released two weeks ago or last week. Those are all rumors. For gods sake the list isnt even done yet. The merit board hasnt even sent the picks down yet to 35th st. relax everyone. its all about money and it always has been. If its after july first the money can be put on next year. merit picks from the board are due by jun 12th.
Dont be so happy to see anyone take 30 pending. In this day anyone of us could have their time to be screwed over by an overzealous IAD or IPRA douche bag. And speaking of douche bags why is the illustrious IAD rat who was caught living outside of Chicago still on the payroll. He was stripped over a year ago and should be getting his day at the board shouldnt he? We are all watching so he is not allowed to retire with his star and id since he has an open cr #.
Speaking of 30 pending the IPRA website is updated thru APril of this year. Take a look at how many 30 pending cases are ahead for our fellow comrads. ABout 25 plus cases to include full tact or gang teams in 20 and 004 . Check it out and think twice the next time your about to knock a door down or stop a car of bangers.
OFF TOPIC:
NATO Comp Time Grievance Update
The Lodge filed a class action grievance when the Department denied our members from exercising their right to select compensatory time as reimbursement for overtime hours worked during the NATO Summit.
The Department has decided to settle this grievance by allowing our members to be credited with compensatory time for overtime hours worked during the NATO Summit. Any monies paid to any Officer for these overtime hours may be converted to compensatory time and the monies will be deducted from the Officer's August 16, 2012 payroll check if an Officer agrees to opt into this settlement.
FSLA hours (those hours worked in excess of 171 hours for the police period) are not subject to conversion.
All boxes require an answer to qualify for this settlement. Your request must be submitted by 1600 hours on Friday, June 29, 2012. Please use the link to file your request. Members must submit a separate request for each date they would like to have converted to comp time. See FOP website for conversion chart.
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The City is more than fine with this and I will tell you why...
All the City cared about was making sure that Fed. Tax Dollars Paid the Bill! The Only way to ensure that happened was forcing us to take cash, that's the easy part... Now once the Bill has been Paid by the Feds if a PO wants to turn back around and trade money for time the City Actually Wins Again! Why? Because when those PO's have the monies deducted from their Aug 16th. in exchange for "Time on the Books" that becomes extra spending money for the City... They couldn't care less if you take the day off somewhere down the line and burn that time up, as a matter of fact they Hope that you Do! The only way the City would loose money in this instance would be if a PO kept the Time until retirement then Sold it at a higher rate based on salary increases. I think the City knew from the "Get Go" that they were going loose this argument, so before they spent "One Dime" on an arbitrator who might possibly award PO's additional remedies for the City not following the contract they just said "Sure, will switch Money for Time on Aug.16th once the dust ($) has had a chance to settle...
I have a family member that works in IAD and yes there is an ongoing investigation, that is all my relative will say. And what sux is if the dept makes a class of 100 I am in off the list. Now sit and wait,thanks to who ever could
not hold a secret. Just like a little kid at christmas time.
At the academy we were prepared for a class of sergeants to start monday June 4th. I know locker space was made available. Then this bombshell.
There was no word about Lieutenants coming on the same day.
My kid sister is about 25 out on the list hang in there R.S. good things come to those that wait.
Dear SCC:
I agree with you 100% in your previous editorial, a while back, that every "clout"/"merit" promotion is a THEFT from those who, with honor and integrity, studied their butts off, and tried to get promoted the RIGHT WAY, the way that is in harmony with God's Law, and Everything that is Right in the World.
"Merit" (in truth, "clout"/nepotism, etc.) promotions, any way you slice it, is deceitful, and FLAT-OUT wrong! Sergeant-Promotion-Exams, to be HONEST in a world of treachery, should be multiple-choice only, AND your marked sheet is scan-tronned and the results given to you BEFORE you EVER leave the examination facility. SUCH A PROCEDURE would be the END of the horrific, indefensible "tradition" we have now, where connected-hacks get promoted over those who EARNED their promotion!
To those who get promoted by "clout": LOOK YOURSELVES IN THE MIRROR: Can you HONESTY say to yourself, that you are Incredibly Special ... that you are God's Gift to the World, and thus, you deserve to be clout-promoted over those who obeyed God's Law and Honestly Earned their Promotion by SCORE?
Look in the mirror, face your God, and then hang your head in SHAME!
This bitch IS nuts. She'll lie-box everyone in the office who even might have seen the list. I mean, it's not like Martha Stewart getting inside information to tip off some high-end investors to hedge their trades. At worst, you might notify some guy at noon that he will be promoted at 3:00 p.m. And NOBODY was on that list by accident, so they already knew the phone call was coming.
Hell, I'll bet most of them already bought their new shirts.
Yawn
There's another rumor surrounding this ruckus...
the goofs at MLAS found (potential) Shakman violations that needed to be tidied up (AKA 'swept under the clout carpet') before some undeserving party was given a bite from the merit apple and it came back to take a bigger bite out of the respective sponsors ass. Again, just a rumor, but a plausible one when you think about it.
More as it becomes available.
Spoke with a Commander over the weekend who related a Sergeants list was completed but now postponed he had no further explanation.
having knowledge of the second the pick is one of the better ones that i have seen. never seen a more unusual situation with the 30 pending incident. over 5 years ago, no victim to be found, unsubstantiated allegations, and cleared by iad. with out putting anyone's business out there, would just like to tell you scc the whole situation is rotten. everyone from the union to the lawyers to the bosses believes so. HAS TO be more and i hope you have the inside track to do some digging and find out whats up.
how does it feel to be sent to the ghetto when you get promoted--- say hello to midnites and a shit furlo--- it hurts even worse if you are a north sider--- and you drive everyday because sergeants work by themselves--- and hello, you get to supervise a whole watch full of coo coo birds who need help tying their shoes--- do you still want to be a sergeant....
Lander wanted the C.R. number pulled City hall got involved and agreed.
It was the right thing to do. Lets see how well the new G.O. will truly hold up.
Being one who is waiting, it make me sick. Just another reason to distrust merit.
Investigate what the person didn't tamper with the
lists right? What a waste of time and resources.
The question is why the last minute to release the faxed promotional list. Late on a Friday to report early on a Monday. What is the Department worried about. Could it be
to prevent a last ditch effort by a lawyer to file a lawsuit and obtain a court order injunction halting the class.......
I know but I can not tell cause I believe SCC is a forbidden social media outlet.
No 1st Amendment rights in the CPD.
I wish whoever posted that would've posted a little more info--maybe a media spotlight on the shit that goes on with merit picks would put some pressure on the city to be more transparent.
Bwahahahahahahha!
i guess before you came on the job you thought everything was on the square.when you voted for approving the contract,did you vote yes. knowing the merit promotion was part of it. could it be you wanted the back pay and did not want to wait for the money. how many book smart sgts or lts have you worked with did not meet your standards. have you been to the union meetings to protest merit promotions? if not what are you waiting for.
We need blue shirts, not more white shirts. How many white shirts do we really need? Probably could do cuts there.
Clout always Rules in Chicago.
To PO Stevens in 018:
"God's Law"? Really? Are you soft as whipped puppy poop or what? There's a good reason why some posts should be anonymous, pal. Like this one!
Goof.
2nd rumor is true. Benefit for P.O. June 22nd.at F.O.P
we should all read the open meeting notes from apr 2012 police board see what we are dealing with in the community and our own department the community is not on our side niether is our administration
how does it feel to be sent to the ghetto when you get promoted--- say hello to midnites and a shit furlo--- it hurts even worse if you are a north sider--- and you drive everyday because sergeants work by themselves--- and hello, you get to supervise a whole watch full of coo coo birds who need help tying their shoes--- do you still want to be a sergeant....
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Take a minute and think beyond the present. YES you want to be a Sergeant. 45 minutes a day of OT, about ten G a year raise, the dollar value of time on the books goes up, sell back every year if you want to (helps with those tuition payments) and a very nice retirement bump.
Think long range.
Also, and equally important, you will ( if you have the ability and knowledge and willingness to help) get a chance to positively impact the people who work for you. Teach somebody something. You might save a life or at the least help keep an officer safe. It's not a perfect job by any means, but it isn't all bad either.
Be safe out there.
Ret. Sgt
Who cares it will be the same old bullshit, wait and see there will be merit picks who made merit Det. on the list. Hey GMAC you want to build moral make a rule that you get one merit pick per career not two and three. No one deserves two meritorious promotions off the same incident, like (J.G.) from Area North.
List will be out June 15.
2 things: that's BS about 30pendung holding up the list, and they are not making 100 Sgts.
The question is why the last minute to release the faxed promotional list. Late on a Friday to report early on a Monday. What is the Department worried about. Could it be
to prevent a last ditch effort by a lawyer to file a lawsuit and obtain a court order injunction halting the class.......
6/05/2012 04:00:00 AM
Ya. Are you new to the job?
Why does anybody even listen to these rumors? There all BS. My favorite is "Talked to a Commander and he said...", really? You think a Commander has the inside info on what the Supt. and 1st Dep. are doing?
--- and hello, you get to supervise a whole watch full of coo coo birds who need help tying their shoes--- do you still want to be a sergeant....
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YUP
The beer tastes ALSO better when you are collecting MORE money on your pension.
This 30 stinks, has to be more to it than just ipra. I am not a fan of merit picks but we all heard the rumor that these were going to be the working police and not the clouted, yeah right will see about that. I know this guy personally and if he has clout then he earned it the hard way, he was not born here but I fear he is the wrong kind of African,he has been fucked over and it makes us sick to our stomachs, this guy is a legit pick and we all know that if our old Commander did not put him in our new guy would have. If this Supe has any balls as they say he does he would look into this fiasco. Russian, hold in their you will be back soon enough.
maybe they can't make a new sgt class yet....BECAUSE THERE ARE NO POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS CITY
Nobody cares. Make a detective class. We don't need anymore know it all arrogant do nothing sergeants.
Poor Secret Study Club Boss's Kiddies got to wait just a little bit longer. Boooo Hoooo!
To all you yougsters out there, dont beat a motorist after a traffic accident in front of 3 yuppies. It might hurt your merit future.
Rumors will lead you to believe that lander has something to do with the list yes and no. She has no overall control however she like any boss can use her clout for the merit hacks who reached out. It's more of manpower and keeping the bodies on the street now til the end of summer wether we like it or not. She. Luke.t wipe the snit of her nose without mc s permission let alone control a list
Any details on the PO's who got locked up in 015?
I'll tell you about the Cop in question. He's a great Dad, an amazing instructor, a loyal friend and an incredible Cop! The beef is over 5 years old, which is really BS. He's never taken a dime and would always help a fellow Copper!! He WOULD actually make the perfect sergeant and he would fill the unwritten quota. For IPRA to pull out a 5 year old beef is ludicrous! The story has more holes than my socks. Hopefully this is cleared quickly.
is this the same p.o. in special functions who lives outside the city limits and uses hq to register the vehicle?
Before we make more supervisors, lets hire some patrolmen to supervise!
both false... its for the fiscal year reasons
Your an idiot! The fiscal year for the Police Dept. starts in February!
Can we never stick together? Anyone who knows this guy knows this is bullshit, when details of this come out he will prevail, unfortunatly not as a Sgt. If my family needed police service this is the guy I would want to help them, this travesty could happen to anyone of us.
how does it feel to be sent to the ghetto when you get promoted--- say hello to midnites and a shit furlo--- it hurts even worse if you are a north sider--- and you drive everyday because sergeants work by themselves--- and hello, you get to supervise a whole watch full of coo coo birds who need help tying their shoes--- do you still want to be a sergeant....
Yep, and so do you. Anyone who claims they'd turn down a promotion for those reasons is full of crap. 1)many of us work in the ghetto and aren't hiding in some cushy district 2)don't know about where you work, but the newer sergeants are fairly well divided on the 3 watches 3)shit furlos? yes, for an extra $10K, that'd be fine.
Its true about one 30 pending. Copper was working a tact team for the last 5 years since the incident, was put in for meritorious, looking into the history they found the 5 year old event and immediately shipped them to callback and served with 30 pending the same day. If the merit was not given they would still be working the streets as a P.O.
What's a sgt? Thxs in advance.
Having been promoted off the 1993 test, it was refreshing to know your ranking and EXACTLY where you stood, because there was NO merit. There were over 400 promoted from 3 classes which is unheard of in this day & age. I'm not naive to think some political hacks didn't have access to the test before it was administered, but for the most part it was legit, not like the "merit" selections of today's tests.
Nobody was called...when people start getting the calls then you get the list released.
Any "merit" fuck out there ought to tell Ladner to shove her promotions up her stinkhole. In 27 years Ladner is the worst personnel head I've seen. Daley started the total politicization of the police department with the original elimination of the civil service rank of captain. This goofy bitch completes it.
I've spoken to sworn people who work down there. All I talked to want out. Of course they could get out in a second if they really feel that way.
4 months left for me then I join the permanent KMA Club. This department blows. I lost faith completely years ago. Since then I have neither been disappointed nor surprised. The few people of honor and integrity that are left here all just tread water until they too can get the hell out.
From this day forward, please have the common decency to refer to "merit (board)" as CLOUT (board).
To do otherwise is an egregious insult to our intelligence.
The merit board hasnt even sent the picks down yet to 35th st. relax everyone. its all about money and it always has been. If its after july first the money can be put on next year. merit picks from the board are due by jun 12th.
6/05/2012 12:23:00 AM
WRONG!
I personally know two p.o.'s who have already had an interview with the Supe because the Merit Board passed them on to the final stage.
You might be right about the financial thing, but at the very least, the Supe knows who's getting it and who's not.
I know one merit Sgt, I don't believe I've met or worked for any others, but the one I know is good people. He doesn't give us a bad time, is interested in listening and helping you if you have something you want to accomplish. Now, he's not perfect, but he's better than most. He wants us to function as a unit. All on the same page, doing good things and having a good time doing it.
Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy...(sarcasm)
look in the mirror , hang your head in shame , 90% of command staff and xo's were merit sgt or lt & they all know they're special
Word is that the Det list is done new test to be given in Nov.
Sgt will have one more pull off this list in Nov then new test in Jan or Feb.
Lt list to be pulled after this then it will all be merit based.
Who cares about sgts, when are they going to make a Dets. class??
List is offically being pulled as of 1 July 12.
Anonymous said...
At the academy we were prepared for a class of sergeants to start monday June 4th. I know locker space was made available. Then this bombshell.
There was no word about Lieutenants coming on the same day.
My kid sister is about 25 out on the list hang in there R.S. good things come to those that wait.
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ohhh. you made locker space available. the building is empty. how many of you house mouses are down there? doin nothining? if we havent hired recruits in years why do we need you there?
and i can't take a day off. ever.
Rahm wants to deplete the detectives to 750. Thats down from about 980 currently. No detective class for awhile. Not sure if list will stay up or get pulled down
Who cares about sgts, when are they going to make a Dets. class??
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Maybe never. The NY guy says we have to many.
We are under 900 and they sent detectives to guard the President because under this administration detectives are non essential. Good luck.
Anonymous said...
Being one who is waiting, it make me sick. Just another reason to distrust merit.
If you need another reason, you must be one.
2:54 am,
Maybe you're feeling bad that you're not on the list or weren't able to take a test. However, some of us have hopes of being promoted and are willing to put up with your list of egregiously terrible working conditions (sarcasm) that come along with being a sergeant. Some of us with 8/9 years on haven't even been eligible for a test. Those of us hair gels who want nothing more than to achieve progress in our careers are happy to see others get promoted because it means maybe, just maybe, we will one day too. This job isn't the atrocity many people make it out to be. We get to laugh every day. We get to learn new stuff every day. We get paid to do so. If you're so miserable that all you can focus on is the bad stuff I genuinely feel sorry for you. A lot of us still like our job and hope to be promoted one day and understand that a long drive to a ghetto district is part of the package. As for looking out for the 'new kids,' there really aren't many because the city isn't hiring... When I came on within the first week I was helped out of my own stupid mess by a brand new sgt and I certainly didn't see him crying about it. Chin up, it will get better!!!
Allowing 30% Merit picks for Sgt is a detriment to the Department and it shows. As if 20% previously was any better, FOP wasn't able to get the Det Hack List dropped to 16%.
I believe the Sgt list is being held up for additional chooches to be added on.
For those of you who don't remember the city held up the 2nd portion of the last Det Test over a year, in order to give a couple of hacks time to be eligible for promotion.
So, nothing changes under The New Regime.
Take this as an example;
Arbitrator Edwin H. Benn ruled last week that padding mileage expenses was so entrenched and condoned in Chicago’s Fire Prevention Bureau, it was “almost a work rule.”
This is the guy who said 10% raise over 5 yrs was plenty as Daley & Co stole millions.
Would the Inspector General have any trouble looking for improprieties in our Merit Selection process?
Let FOP post scores and ranking on all promotions and let everyone see the fairness.
"Ladner is a control freak who thinks she runs the entire Department"
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You have no idea. She insists on being called "Director" and she does believe that she runs the department. She is arrogant, militant and an unapologetic racist. She is a bitch of the highest order and is vastly unqualified to have the position that she does. Why we have a civilian director of personnel is beyond me. We could easily assign a Lieutenant to the spot and save all that money. But she was given the position as a payback for "favors" done for King Daley. She should have been given the boot when he left but we will be paying the price for his political tit for tat for years to come. "Director" Ladner, if you read this, certainly pull the CR #, and then right after go fuck yourself. If you weren't what you are you would be working at McDonalds, sorry to all the people at McD's.
how does it feel to be sent to the ghetto when you get promoted--- say hello to midnites and a shit furlo--- it hurts even worse if you are a north sider--- and you drive everyday because sergeants work by themselves--- and hello, you get to supervise a whole watch full of coo coo birds who need help tying their shoes--- do you still want to be a sergeant....
Never had a bad furlo, never worked midnights, really you complain about driving,the ones in what you call ghetto work unlike some police.....sounds like you just are a cry baby that did not pass the test.
Why would you deny a police officer his retired star and ID just because of an open CR? So, an officer who has a long and good career either is jammed without justification or really does get involved in something ( other then a criminal offense), you would deny him the only momento for years of service? You sound like some desk jocky inside ass kissing do nothing officer. I have never agreed with that policy. If you are awarded your pension, you should be awarded your retired star and ID. Period. Stop the BS from the bureaucrats in the tower.
Forf you who currently hold the rank of detective and are on the sergeants list I have my personal viewpoint for you, for what it is worth. I should have kept the rank of detective I was much happier. Unless you have a lot going for you sergeant is about all you will ever get and the headaches are just not worth it.
Anonymous said...
how does it feel to be sent to the ghetto when you get promoted--- say hello to midnites and a shit furlo--- it hurts even worse if you are a north sider--- and you drive everyday because sergeants work by themselves--- and hello, you get to supervise a whole watch full of coo coo birds who need help tying their shoes--- do you still want to be a sergeant....
6/05/2012 02:54:00 AM
Amen brother! and this advice goes double if you are a detective. I was a happy and productive detective and really wanted to make sergeant. Well, I did and 15 years later made lieutenant. Nice pension, but the promotions just were not worth the headaches, lousy furloughs, bad working hours, getting jammed or shit on by political or racist gold stars, lousy assignments and the real inability to motivate officers to do a little work. Now that I look back on things, I was much happier being responsible for myself and my partner and no one else.
can you tell who got a merit promotion or not? anyone reading scc would think most pos have a negative attitude toward all bosses. the best thing for someone who is so unhappy is to quit. someone with all your knowledge will have no problem getting another job. or you can go to the bar and tell your pals what a great po your are. the truth, you can handle the truth!
Had lunch with my uncle who works at headquarters this afternoon and he said I.A.D. was there talking with several officers who workout of that office. My question is so what can be done about this early leaked information really? Come on already.
There is no more Detectives list. The entire "rank" will be targeted in the new contract. And even if the FOP prevails, the city will let the position disappear just like Forensic Investigator.
The city wants Detective to be an assignment, not a tested position.
D2A pay is also being challenged in the new contract.
McCarthy doesn't care how long it takes because he only wants 600 detectives in the entire department and he now has almost 900.
1988 sergeants class sent home because not enough of one minority. Called back when " extras " were added no matter what they scored.
1995 Lieutenants promotion-- not enough of whomever=== 13 " extras" added to make up the class.
Things will never change.
old retired guy
Nobody was called...when people start getting the calls then you get the list released.
6/05/2012 10:05:00 AM
I was in the last class, someone called me the day before and asked if I wanted the promotion. Be patient guys, I know it sucks to wait. Good luck!
Any details on the PO's who got locked up in 015?
Hell no you fucking trollster!!
Rahm wants to deplete the detectives to 750. Thats down from about 980 currently. No detective class for awhile. Not sure if list will stay up or get pulled down
6/05/2012 11:11:00 AM
Heard that from a reliable source also. We shall see...
I personally know two p.o.'s who have already had an interview with the Supe because the Merit Board passed them on to the final stage.
You might be right about the financial thing, but at the very least, the Supe knows who's getting it and who's not.
6/05/2012 10:35:00 AM
Is it still ten grand?
Who cares about sgts, when are they going to make a Dets. class??
List is offically being pulled as of 1 July 12.
6/05/2012 10:46:00 AM
I call bullshit on that. There's no way they're pulling that list without making one more class off of it since they haven't made a class in over 4 years.
Came back from IOD and saw a petition in my unit for the fired F.O.P. Atty(DH). What did he do, he was really helpful during an ugly beef I had.
Anonymous said...
Why would you deny a police officer his retired star and ID just because of an open CR? So, an officer who has a long and good career either is jammed without justification or really does get involved in something ( other then a criminal offense), you would deny him the only momento for years of service? You sound like some desk jocky inside ass kissing do nothing officer. I have never agreed with that policy. If you are awarded your pension, you should be awarded your retired star and ID. Period. Stop the BS from the bureaucrats in the tower.
6/05/2012 03:45:00 PM
If you insist on retiring w/open cr,it would be " Not in good standing". Now you deal with that in future prospects and state & fed law will deny your conceal .carry.
As a Black officer, I have no clue how Tracy Ladner is, but her predecessor, Lt. Kathleen Rendon (Irish, I think) was a prince of a woman if I ever saw one. She had no ego, and went out of her way to help others.
She was knowlegeable, helpful, and had an open door policy. She really did me a solid by letting me claim a promotion the same day I came back from a leave of absence. That promotion allowed me to study for the last Sgt's. exam and score relatively well.
I think she is at some northside district, but if I ever come across you Lt. Kathleen Rendon, the drink is on me. I will tell you again, and again, thank you for what you did for me and my family.
A wise old Area One Mission Team sergeant once said " One of the big problems with this job is that if one copper shits in his pants , every one else has to wear the diapers"
I'm so glad I have clout!!
I heard this and believe it to be true: I will not be promoted for the 27th consecutive year and I won't care.
7:47am: It was nice when you were on Sarge, but Emanuel is going to gut all those nice perks, for he has no regards for legally binding contracts. If it goes to Arbitration ,Benn, the Weaselly Fuck, will side with the City ,unlike what he recently did with the minority CFD.
Anonymous said...
To all you yougsters out there, dont beat a motorist after a traffic accident in front of 3 yuppies. It might hurt your merit future.
6/05/2012 08:49:00 AM
You are an ignorant, cowardly fucking piece of shit. You obviously don't know the whole story and you push a decent PO in front of the bus. Go fuck yourself, you rat fucking bastard mother fucker.
>>>Anonymous said...
Rahm wants to deplete the detectives to 750. Thats down from about 980 currently. No detective class for awhile. Not sure if list will stay up or get pulled down
6/05/2012 11:11:00 AM
Heard that from a reliable source also. We shall see...
6/05/2012 05:27:00 PM<<<
All Detectives will be issued large rubber stamps, "UNFOUNDED".
There, crime problem solved.
Or more modern, Detectives will be instructed to "SHRED" as many AIRA case reports in the system as they can get to without overtime.
It's the Rahm way.
Lets cut to the chase over the detectives test instead of all this idle bullshit speculation.
McCarthy spoke to the media several months ago and stated that CPD had too many detectives.
He has narrowed down the detective division to 3 areas from 5.
Hardly any police officers have been hired in the past five years.
No one has been made off the current list in 54 months,
The test results are 82 months old.
The test was first administered about eight years ago.
Common sense tells you that they ain't making anymore off this list, they ain't giving a test anytime soon and they ain't making any detectives period until MacDaddy leaves town.
Anonymous said...
having knowledge of the second the pick is one of the better ones that i have seen. never seen a more unusual situation with the 30 pending incident. over 5 years ago, no victim to be found, unsubstantiated allegations, and cleared by iad. with out putting anyone's business out there, would just like to tell you scc the whole situation is rotten. everyone from the union to the lawyers to the bosses believes so. HAS TO be more and i hope you have the inside track to do some digging and find out whats up.
6/05/2012 02:30:00 AM
The new policy is NOT to send people to Callback. It seems the new policy is to suspend for 30 pending and you have to fight to get your job back. This way they don't have to pay you.
Don't worry. It's all on the up & up.
Is the term "chinaman" considered offensive?
1988 and 1995 were legit tests but quotas were added to class at the last minute . 1988 Sgt quotas were black and hispanic , 1995 lt class had the new merit 13 of all races.
I've said it before and so have others. There is no need to promote merit people. They have the option to promote 30%. Save that for the last class. There always seems to be some merit hack that fucks things up for others. I believe a few deserve merit but very few. The city made the arguement that they needed it to help race norm. Guess what boys and girls .most of the merit are white males and white females. The minorities aren't getting it only the heavy ones. Oh well... Fuck it....
Ok, I know the guy and the story, even if true this is bizarre ,3 other coppers taking time, has to be something else going on, maybe this is what happens when an unclouted one tresspasses on merit territory , inquiring minds want to know.
I personally know two p.o.'s who have already had an interview with the Supe because the Merit Board passed them on to the final stage.
You might be right about the financial thing, but at the very least, the Supe knows who's getting it and who's not.
6/05/2012 10:35:00 AM
Is it still ten grand?
6/05/2012 05:28:00 PM
You are so right. True story. The last crew of bosses that I knew who still paid the ten grand was in the 80's. I been off the job a long time. I don't know if anyone knows: whats the price nowadays?
My queswtion is:
When is this Department going to get rid of that head case Ladner?
She is such a detriment to this department moving forward.
(Also, not the police = a hater)
Detective list is done. There wont be another test for years. City hall wants to reduce detective rank. Alot of people will be upset about this. Including myself.
You have no idea. She insists on being called "Director" and she does believe that she runs the department. She is arrogant, militant and an unapologetic racist. She is a bitch of the highest order and is vastly unqualified to have the position that she does. Why we have a civilian director of personnel is beyond me. We could easily assign a Lieutenant to the spot and save all that money. But she was given the position as a payback for "favors" done for King Daley. She should have been given the boot when he left but we will be paying the price for his political tit for tat for years to come. "Director" Ladner, if you read this, certainly pull the CR #, and then right after go fuck yourself. If you weren't what you are you would be working at McDonalds, sorry to all the people at McD's.
6/05/2012 02:01:00 PM
Wow. Uber-bitch! One way to get her--set her up for failure without her knowing it. Stealthy sabotage. If that fails, pray for Karma to bite her in her slimy ass. Or you can sneeze on her every time you're near her--maybe you're carrying a superbug. Sounds like that's what it'd take to get rid of her.
Is it true that det's are going to be used for all summer details and not tact, etc? I've heard that rumor rumbling around for a few days.
P.O. Randy Stevens, Dist. 018 said...
Dear SCC:
I agree with you 100% in your previous editorial, a while back, that every "clout"/"merit" promotion is a THEFT from those who, with honor and integrity, studied their butts off, and tried to get promoted the RIGHT WAY, the way that is in harmony with God's Law, and Everything that is Right in the World.
"Merit" (in truth, "clout"/nepotism, etc.) promotions, any way you slice it, is deceitful, and FLAT-OUT wrong! Sergeant-Promotion-Exams, to be HONEST in a world of treachery, should be multiple-choice only, AND your marked sheet is scan-tronned and the results given to you BEFORE you EVER leave the examination facility. SUCH A PROCEDURE would be the END of the horrific, indefensible "tradition" we have now, where connected-hacks get promoted over those who EARNED their promotion!
Hey Dumb Ass Stevens:
How does this "procedure" result in only "earned " promotions when you have plenty of people getting the questions and answers to these test before they even sit down. If you don't think some of the highest scores are a result of having been given the answer, then you really are a dumb ass. Good news for you is that 18 is the kind of place were you might get those answers. Many before you in 18 did!
To those who get promoted by "clout": LOOK YOURSELVES IN THE MIRROR: Can you HONESTY say to yourself, that you are Incredibly Special ... that you are God's Gift to the World, and thus, you deserve to be clout-promoted over those who obeyed God's Law and Honestly Earned their Promotion by SCORE?
Look in the mirror, face your God, and then hang your head in SHAME!
6/05/2012 01:29:00 AM
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Holy shit, crawl out of your moms basement and get a grip. Just because you were never picked for a ball team in the schoolyard or made friends beyond the play date your mommy arranged, doesn't mean everyone else is evil and wrong for being picked for their talent and skill.
Ps. Stop yanking and find a real girl.
cpd needs new recruits , doesn't need detectives , sgts or xo's .
If one has an open cr # then you do not get your retired id and star. Thats the policy and has been forever. He shouldnt be able to retire with his stuff just because he was an IAD rat and one of the biggest that ever existed in that unit. Even the people who worked with him and there are many decent ones say he is a jagbag.
So he should be put thru the same process that everyone he screwed over has been thru, PERIOD!
Better that they give 30 pendings then send you to call back to mind fuck you for years. Get tot he board and fight to get your job back and come back and do ZERO WORK til you retire. Thats what they want a report taker and dog and pony placebo show not real proactive police work.
at roll call we were informed that detectives will now handle all details like puerto rican fest , taste etc. they don't want to pull tac teams from the district. Since they can't adjust our start time more than 2 hours they are not calling the detail a tour of duty.
Lets cut to the chase over the detectives test instead of all this idle bullshit speculation.
McCarthy spoke to the media several months ago and stated that CPD had too many detectives.
He has narrowed down the detective division to 3 areas from 5.
Hardly any police officers have been hired in the past five years.
No one has been made off the current list in 54 months,
The test results are 82 months old.
The test was first administered about eight years ago.
Common sense tells you that they ain't making anymore off this list, they ain't giving a test anytime soon and they ain't making any detectives period until MacDaddy leaves town.
6/05/2012 06:57:00 PM
I'm close on the list but I have to be honest, I just don't give a shit anymore. I know it's a terrible attitude to have but this department's bullshit is too much to handle anymore. Unfortunately I'm too old and have too much time on at this point to change careers. All I want to do now is coast to retirement. They don't give a shit about us so I don't give a shit about them. 1st and the 16th, summer furloughs, and as many days off as I can take until the earliest possible date I can retire. Keep the fucking detective promotion. Soon the detectives will be so overworked that the clearance rate will drop to almost zero. The CPD is falling apart. It will be interesting to see what this department looks like in 5-10 years after these two beat offs get through wrecking it.
Is the term "chinaman" considered offensive?
6/05/2012 07:25:00 PM
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Only if you don't have one.
My post of 05 June at 01:29 AM obviously offended a few people.
Interesting: when SCC stated emphatically, very recently, that EVERY clout promotion is a THEFT from those who EARNED it, well, you DON'T DARE criticize SCC, because he would give it right back to you and call you an "Asshat."
I will not call anyone an asshat...it's just not my style, but I laugh really hard when SCC does it, because I admire his spunk, and his unique ways.
I respect everyone's right to express their opinion, even if it means casting personal insults to my direction. For every mean thing you post about me, I send a hundred kind thoughts towards you, my brother in blue. If that makes me soft as puppy poop, well so be it!
p.s.-I have met more than one sergeant promoted on clout who are actually an incredible asset to the Department. My post was about the principle of the whole thing, that the concept of clout-promotions is just wrong, on more than one level. Now, if you have the guts, criticize SCC personally for this same viewpoint, and see what kind of response you get!
I'll tell you about the Cop in question. He's a great Dad, an amazing instructor, a loyal friend and an incredible Cop! The beef is over 5 years old, which is really BS. He's never taken a dime and would always help a fellow Copper!! He WOULD actually make the perfect sergeant and he would fill the unwritten quota. For IPRA to pull out a 5 year old beef is ludicrous! The story has more holes than my socks. Hopefully this is cleared quickly.
Except, he couldn't pass the Sergeant's exam! But he's a nice guy so screw a guy or gal who scored high enough out of the promotion so he or some other merit hack can have it, right? K-M-A
Anonymous said...
Is the term "chinaman" considered offensive?
6/05/2012 07:25:00 PM
No. Neither is rabbi in this context.
Anonymous said...
If one has an open cr # then you do not get your retired id and star. Thats the policy and has been forever. He shouldnt be able to retire with his stuff just because he was an IAD rat and one of the biggest that ever existed in that unit. Even the people who worked with him and there are many decent ones say he is a jagbag.
So he should be put thru the same process that everyone he screwed over has been thru, PERIOD!
6/05/2012 11:04:00 PM
Depends what the open CR is for.
Can you HONESTY say to yourself, that you are Incredibly Special ...
I can! but then again, what I do ahs nothing to do with Police work! I have a life outside this bullshit!
Anonymous said...
To those who get promoted by "clout": LOOK YOURSELVES IN THE MIRROR: Can you HONESTY say to yourself, that you are Incredibly Special ... that you are God's Gift to the World, and thus, you deserve to be clout-promoted over those who obeyed God's Law and Honestly Earned their Promotion by SCORE?
Look in the mirror, face your God, and then hang your head in SHAME!
6/05/2012 01:29:00 AM
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Holy shit, crawl out of your moms basement and get a grip. Just because you were never picked for a ball team in the schoolyard or made friends beyond the play date your mommy arranged, doesn't mean everyone else is evil and wrong for being picked for their talent and skill.
Ps. Stop yanking and find a real girl.
6/05/2012 10:30:00 PM
He's just a little nuts because he got thrown out of the seminary. John is that you?
Is the term "chinaman" considered offensive?
6/05/2012 07:25:00 PM
I think the term "breathing Chinaman" is offensive to Koreans. Does that help?
Couldn't pass a test, interesting point, maybe he could not get in on the special study groups by invitation only, have not noticed many people saying he would not make a good Sgt, he does not have clout but why are the bosses not dropping him like a hot potato like most of them would?
THEY GONNA MAKE A CLASS OF EVIDENCE TECHNICIANS ANYTIME SOON?we are in desperate need!
Anonymous said...
There is no more Detectives list. The entire "rank" will be targeted in the new contract. And even if the FOP prevails, the city will let the position disappear just like Forensic Investigator.
The city wants Detective to be an assignment, not a tested position.
D2A pay is also being challenged in the new contract.
McCarthy doesn't care how long it takes because he only wants 600 detectives in the entire department and he now has almost 900.
6/05/2012 04:32:00 PM
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NYPD 39K cops, 7K dets --> 6 to 1 ratio
CPD 13K cops, 1K dets ---> 13 to one ratio
Yes, these #'s are ballpark, but anyway you look at it, NYPD has a far higher ratio of detectives ... so I for one, do not understand McCost-Cutter's thinking on this
Anonymous said...
To PO Stevens in 018:
"God's Law"? Really? Are you soft as whipped puppy poop or what? There's a good reason why some posts should be anonymous, pal. Like this one!
Goof.
6/05/2012 07:05:00 AM
Speaking of soft....who says poop, it's shit! got it. and besides at least some people have the balls to use their name when calling people out! Go back to looking in the mirror and hating yourself and leave the PO from 018 alone...
Anonymous said...
I personally know two p.o.'s who have already had an interview with the Supe because the Merit Board passed them on to the final stage.
You might be right about the financial thing, but at the very least, the Supe knows who's getting it and who's not.
6/05/2012 10:35:00 AM
You hit the nail on the head. McCarthy is personally interviewing merit recommendations. P.O.'s and sergeants. With that and PR Fest, figure a good 3 weeks to a month before a list comes out.
Anonymous said...
Is the term "chinaman" considered offensive?
6/05/2012 07:25:00 PM
No! However, if you say that you and your "chinaman" smoked a "peace-pipe", well now THAT is offensive. Right Eddie?
P.O. Stevens
You obviously hit a nerve, and I applaud you. For years "Merit" has been kept quiet. Now some of these merit promotees are getting a little uncomfortable and they should be. You're right, every spot they are " given " takes an opportunity away from someone else who is just as deserving and often times, more deserving. They don't want this attention because if anyone really investigated it, they would uncover just how corrupt the merit system is. I have seen cops who have been inside there entire career and have made merit, for what? You can buy a spot, cheat your way through, or of course have a powerful sponsor and here in this land of corruption it's acceptable to some. What reason would anyone really have to object to a merit system that is fair and equitable for all? That would take away the power and control and we know they will never let that happen without a classaction lawsuit.
Holy shit, crawl out of your moms basement and get a grip. Just because you were never picked for a ball team in the schoolyard or made friends beyond the play date your mommy arranged, doesn't mean everyone else is evil and wrong for being picked for their talent and skill.
Ha Ha Ha, spoken like a true "merit hack". Talent and skill, really? Look around, it's easy to see how merit has helped destroy this department. Keep living the lie my friend.
Was promoted in last Sgt. Class almost two years ago, the pay bump is worth it, that extra duty availability is worth it, the .75 a day is great, furloughs are picked by watch and then by segments so you are almost guaranteed at least one segment of a good furlough. As for watch that's a mixed bag I have third watch and work in a ghetto district with some of the best and hardest working coppers I have ever known. Basically the good out weighs the bad by a lot.
I'll tell you about the Cop in question. He's a great Dad, an amazing instructor, a loyal friend and an incredible Cop! The beef is over 5 years old, which is really BS. He's never taken a dime and would always help a fellow Copper!! He WOULD actually make the perfect sergeant and he would fill the unwritten quota. For IPRA to pull out a 5 year old beef is ludicrous! The story has more holes than my socks. Hopefully this is cleared quickly.
6/05/2012 08:58:00 AM
You are 100 percent right. The officer is a class and deserved to be promoted. Typical IPRA.
You hit the nail on the head. McCarthy is personally interviewing merit recommendations. P.O.'s and sergeants. With that and PR Fest, figure a good 3 weeks to a month before a list comes out.
6/06/2012 10:30:00 AM
But McCarthy only has to open his door and ask a certain p.o. in Specical Functions to walk on in for a metit interview----oooops, interview already done.
P.O. Stevens
You obviously hit a nerve, and I applaud you. For years "Merit" has been kept quiet. Now some of these merit promotees are getting a little uncomfortable and they should be. You're right, every spot they are " given " takes an opportunity away from someone else who is just as deserving and often times, more deserving. They don't want this attention because if anyone really investigated it, they would uncover just how corrupt the merit system is. I have seen cops who have been inside there entire career and have made merit, for what? You can buy a spot, cheat your way through, or of course have a powerful sponsor and here in this land of corruption it's acceptable to some. What reason would anyone really have to object to a merit system that is fair and equitable for all? That would take away the power and control and we know they will never let that happen without a classaction lawsuit.
6/06/2012 06:11:00 PM
Everywhere you go whether public or private sector, people get promoted for who they know. It's been going on since the beginning of time. This does not mean that some officers who legitimately deserve merit don't get it either. Some do, but there will always be those who are taken care of. If you succeed in Trying to get things to be fair, all you will really achieve is a less transparent way of knowing who was merit and who wasnt. There will always be a way to get the people in they need to. Lamenting about the process is ridiculous. It will never be different, no matter who you work for public or private.
Anonymous said...
P.O. Stevens
You obviously hit a nerve, and I applaud you. For years "Merit" has been kept quiet. Now some of these merit promotees are getting a little uncomfortable and they should be. You're right, every spot they are " given " takes an opportunity away from someone else who is just as deserving and often times, more deserving. They don't want this attention because if anyone really investigated it, they would uncover just how corrupt the merit system is. I have seen cops who have been inside there entire career and have made merit, for what? You can buy a spot, cheat your way through, or of course have a powerful sponsor and here in this land of corruption it's acceptable to some. What reason would anyone really have to object to a merit system that is fair and equitable for all? That would take away the power and control and we know they will never let that happen without a classaction lawsuit.
6/06/2012 06:11:00 PM
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some guys have taken 3 ... that's right 3 merit promotions. Unbelieveable. Seems like the spanish coppers have no qualms whatsoever about doing this. GIMME GIMME GIMME. Fuck everyone else. Me first.
It kills me everyone bitches about merit, which is arbitrary and unfair, but nobody talks about the the 70% who made it off the list who were given the answers. The examples are long and legendary. Anyone care to hear names of the people who went to Koble's private study class on company time on company property? The lieutenants who finished 1 and 2 on the list and were Mauer's guys? The whole tact team in 11?
Anonymous said...
It kills me everyone bitches about merit, which is arbitrary and unfair...
Good point.
I've always found it interesting that so many bitch & moan about "merit hacks", until THEIR GUY gets promoted by merit. Then, those very same bitchers & moaners celebrate the promotion as "earned". The hypocrisy here is nauseating.
It kills me everyone bitches about merit, which is arbitrary and unfair, but nobody talks about the the 70% who made it off the list who were given the answers.
Iscored under 180 on the last exam by going to Bernstein and studying my ass off, so not everyone that makes it off the list gets the answers to the test. But I will concede that some do and I know that to be fact.
We all know the testing process is flawed. Some of us criticize those who are meritoriously promoted to any rank, whether it is det, sgt, etc. No one dare criticize the people that are given the answers to the test or given the test to study from. You call this fair! I have met men and women on this job that have been promoted from the fair ranking of the test (as some people think) and by merit. From both sides some are great people to work for and some you wonder how they even got this job in the first place.
The direction this department is going in, good luck to anyone that takes any type of promotion.
To each and every officer on this job do your jobs to the best of your ability, stay safe, take care of yourself, and I pray you go home safely to your families each and every day. Continue to watch out for each other the best you can because no one gives a damn about us but us and some of us don't even care about each other.
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