Haz Mat
A couple of years back, we ran a series of photos from various police districts showing unsafe, unsanitary and pretty gross conditions. We also pointed out some structural failings due to shoddy construction and on-the-cheap contracting.
J-Fled was trying to upgrade certain things while the city built the last of the new stations. The rehab work is still going on places (Rahm couldn't revoke the contracts evidently), and the 011th District clocks in a new one (the first was excrement dripping from the ceilings - a throwback to the old Ivory Tower):
As the work crew strips the old asbestos pipes, they just toss them in the dumpster, endangering cops, garbage men, neighbors, and the can guy picking through the trash. Watch yourselves Fillmo.
J-Fled was trying to upgrade certain things while the city built the last of the new stations. The rehab work is still going on places (Rahm couldn't revoke the contracts evidently), and the 011th District clocks in a new one (the first was excrement dripping from the ceilings - a throwback to the old Ivory Tower):
As the work crew strips the old asbestos pipes, they just toss them in the dumpster, endangering cops, garbage men, neighbors, and the can guy picking through the trash. Watch yourselves Fillmo.Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
69 Comments:
...and this is the city that had to have its own personal Department of the Environment, had to be like the big dogs.
Private contractors have gone to federal prison for asbestos games like this. WTF?
Thats a HAZMAT situation right there. Even for all the houses with open windows once that shit gets dumped. If I were a garbage man I sure the hell wouldnt touch it!
...endangering cops, garbage men, neighbors, and the can guy picking through the trash. Watch yourselves Fillmo!
You can say the same about 1130!
Fron OSHA:
Asbestos contaminated insulation, mixed with the mineral vermiculite was used primarily between 1955 and 1990. While manufacturing was discontinued in late 1984, materials still remained on the market. If you have a home built or insulted during this time, chances are good that it contains asbestos. A professional should be hired to remove it.
Are you fucking kIdding me??!! I don't know shit about what asbestos looks like, but if this is true I am FURIOUS! So if I don't get killed by the gangbangers in 011, I can be assured a slow death compliments of the city??!!! FUCK!!!!!
This is a HUGE EPA VIOLATION among many other violations. That stuff has a special way to be desposed of and big $$$$$$ fines accompany any disreagrd of that. But of course this is shitcago and chicago politicians can make any troubles go away. Only a phone call and a filled envelope is needed. Sad.
Try doing anything like this in your own house the city would have you in court plus a stop order.
Hey media are you listening?
Hopefully the photographer was smart enough to (cautiously and safely, of course) grab a sample and heat seal it in a property bag to be handed over to OSHA. Maybe a second sample to be saved in the event OSHA "loses" the first one. Preferably a third sample to be kept under lock and key for when the civil trials start years down the road.
Also...photos/video needs to be obtained of the site(s) from where the asbestos was removed to document if it was removed according to industry standards (we all KNOW this probably wasn't the case). I'd bet one would find dust, fibers and residual material all over the floor under where it was removed. I'd also bet the area wasn't contained or ventilated/exhausted properly, and chances are the slugs (sub)contracted to do the removal lacked proper protective gear.
And just which waste company allows such material to be placed into an open dumpster where it can be contacted by anyone? Asbestos-Abatement.com says: "Once asbestos has been removed from a location, federal regulations dictate that such waste be disposed of in an approved manner, either in special 6 mil plastic bags that have "zip-lock" type fasteners and are sealed with duct tape, or in sealed, 55 gallon drums designed for this purpose." Different types of materials contain various levels of asbestos, but ALL call for disposal above and beyond simply chucking it into an exposed dumpster.
Now...given the dismal history of 011s unsafe and unsanitary conditions, will any of the media cowards address this issue? And if so, will they dedicate more than an 8 second blurb to it like they did when they got wind of the crazy dude that came into your lobby/desk with a loaded assault rifle?
You guys and gals need to stay on top on this shit and document all you can. From what I understand, there have been more than a handful of officers that worked in that building to die of various cancers in the recent past. Coincidence? Me thinks not.
looks like fiberglass pipe covering.
i had that old asbestos siding shit removed from the dormers on my house and the idiot that did it actually threw it in my garbage,i made him take it away but i'm sure he just fly-dumped it in someone elses can.dangerous stuff,you would the CITY would know better.
they should dump it on daleys front lawn.
"My name is Doug and I have mesothelioma."
If you've been exposed to asbestos, call Binderman, Greenberg, and Shylock at (800)Sue-City.
Yesterday in 005 it was literally raining sewer water on the desk. Ridiculous!
The biggest biohazard in 011 is that joke of a Lt on second watch.
start sending these in it can be anonymous and save our lives.....011 dis PO
http://www.osha.gov/oshforms/osha7.pdf
disposing of asbestos in this manner is illegal.
just because it is pipe insulation does not mean that it has asbestos in it. it is not possible to tell from a picture.
Ahh don't worry it'll take a few years before the lung and eye problems begin to show up from the remaining dust. By then the city can claim that "there's no proof" of anything.
Yeah...It's all about values ya know...
If you were to find asbestos in a home the guys in white suits would come and tarp your building and carefully remove it. If it is a city building, no one would be told and it goes out in the dumpster with the other trash.
Fucking good for shit City of Chicago.
The environmental laws that are enforced on private citizens doing rehab work on their property.
Governement on the other hand is "Exempt" from the laws they right and enforce!
Sounds like more City Hall and Ivory Tower bullshit and spin!
Do as I say but, don't do as I do!
Da Pelon
Scc, I don't think the union employees that are doing the work in 011 would do anything that would endanger their own health. If there were any dangerous substances in the dumpsters, their reps would be all over it
Almost 20 yrs ago, before Area 1 Detectives was renovated, the air vents in the ceiling were caked with decades worth of dirt and grime. They decided to clean the ductwork and remove the grime. Within about a week to ten days of the cleaning and making all this grime and dirt airborne, numerous detectives over the age of 50 came down with flu like symptoms and were sick as dogs for at least a week. Everyone knew it was the airborne grime that made our fellow workers sick, but as the work was being done, it was business as usual on the floor, no protective plastic was put up, no surgical type face masks were offered to the detectives to wear while on the floor, nothing. The city did not care then, they don't care now.
Please don't bother the FOP with your issues. We are busy writing checks to the attorneys defending us. We have taken down Mike's ill-advised rebuttal to the secretary's plea for someone to take charge. We will now begin deciding the foursomes for Monday's golf outing.
If you call -- it better be important.
What do you think about shortie t-shirts for the secretaries?
Once again, the city exempts itself from the rules that everyone else has to live by.
Un effing believable. What else?
Anonymous said...
...endangering cops, garbage men, neighbors, and the can guy picking through the trash. Watch yourselves Fillmo!
You can say the same about 1130!
8/22/2012 12:20:00 AM
Is it safe to assume you reference the one, the only, the handjob extraordinaire "Tricky"?
The J.R. Ewing of the 011th District even manages to piss off sergeants on other watches to the point they purposely smoke cigars in the squad car that he claims as his own because it pisses him off to no end. Sucks to have the uncanny coincidence of a recently burned cigar stink up your freshly dry cleaned uniform the first day back from RDOs, huh Batman?
The silver lining in the JT Cloud is that he lacks anything past a high school education, so there's no chance of his miserable ass ever making lieutenant. That means no chance of promotion where he'd have the opportunity to be a stroke with more authority.
Guess you'll have to go back to harassing your business owner neighbor across the alley for your extracurricular ignorant power trips.
Aren't dummycrats supposed to be all green and into the environment?
Oh, that's just a lie too.
We don't call it the Shitty of Shitcago for nothing.
We don't need anymore job killing regulations. We need to help the job creators create jobs.
Thats a HAZMAT situation right there. Even for all the houses with open windows once that shit gets dumped. If I were a garbage man I sure the hell wouldnt touch it!
Seriously. Does anyone know who is "responsible" for this idiocy?
Not asbestos. This is what it looks like. http://inspectapedia.com/sickhouse/asbestos/asbpipe11.jpg
"...endangering cops, garbage men, neighbors, and the can guy picking through the trash. Watch yourselves Fillmo!
You can say the same about 1130!"
You forgot 1120!
Mike Holmes (from the TV show Holmes on Homes) frowns upon this.
commenting as a trained professional. I don't see any asbestos insulation in either picture. Those discarded sections in the photos appears to be fiberglass. A legitimate contractor wouldn't risk discarding asbestos in an open dumpster but then this IS Chicago. I would call the EPA to make sure.They respond quickly in our town. Obviously, I'm not a copper but appreciate getting the "real" news from SCC's blog. Keep up the good work!
Somebody should very carefully grab a hunk of that stuff and put it in a plastic trash bag and save it for EPA and OSHA.
Wear a breathing mask of course and have someone shoot video of the shit showing where it is, location and include some recognizable landmark, building etc.
Thank call a lawyer. And fill out an IOD report, exposure to industrial poison.
And don't waste your time with an FOP Safety Grievance An ANOV has more teeth than a safety grievance.
Clear violation of OSHA regs. Asbestos abatement requires proper wearing of breathing apparatus and handling/removal of materials must be properly bagged and tagged and disposed of in SEALED containers.
That's a federal felony right there.
No worries Fillmore, sgt tricky said he would use his rig to haul the dumpsters to the south side with him.
No bigger mess than the leftovers from 011 desk sgt.'s lunch smorgasbord.
A decrease in asbestos? COUNT IT.
-McCompstat
In the city's eyes we're just expendable cannon fodder.
All Rahm cares about is catering to the Link abusing crowd and fucking with our pensions and benefits.
Lots of reported cases of cancer in 011. Over the past 3 years 3 coppers have died from cancer.
Can get a damn thing tixed most of the time because RHAM will not PAY THE BILLS.
The sally ports in the 10th District are a Perfect Example as welll as the video security system there. The vendor was not paid so when it breaks down no one comes to fix it and there are no spare parts.
For the third day in a row now an alarm had been ringing in the lobby. Calls to the engineers are to no avail. This is getting serious, the desk crew can't get a decent nap.
When we had a basement Roll Call room dug under the desk area of the old 17th district station we had the guys in the white bunny suits and the plastic draps there for weeks to remove the asbestos.
That stuff was encased in plaster like covering old pipes.
This stuff may only be fiberglass but the contractor and the city does owe everyone a reasonable explaination.
It is possible that this insulation is non-asbestos -- "rock wool" or fiberglass. It looks like it could possibly be that, sandwiched between thick paper backings.
Asbestos is off-white colored and denser than fiberglass -- it is real soft, and comes apart easily and makes a LOT of dust...
If it IS asbestos, this is like the violation to end all violations. The area where the work is done has to be plastic-ed off and posted with warning signs, workers have to wear jumpsuits and proper respirators, the stuff is removed carefully with minimum disturbance and bagged up and must be taken to an "approved" disposal site -- Mars or someplace.
thats not asbestos.....
And what milkshake in the yard?? Liz??
Usually the workers who remove asbestos know the hazards and are careful to protect their health. I'm guessing undocumented, non-English speaking workers hired by the clouted contractor.
I don't know what asbestos looks like--can anyone who really knows confirm whether it is or not from the photos?
Anyone who has spent any time in 011 should save this post &, keep a sample of the substance in the photo in a sealed plastic bag. Meselthelioma does not manifest itself for years & by then the City will claim no knowledge or that you inhaled the asbestos from someplace else. Asbestos is not dangerous until disturbed at which point it causes minute airborne cancer causing substances. My father contracted meselthelioma 40 years after pipe covering in the Indiana mills. He had to show where he came in contact with the asbestos causing substances by bring in his employment records, depositions, lists of co- workers, description of the products installed, etc. there is a 2% survival rate with a meselthelioma diagnosis. Removal of an asbestos product by non- professionals is a life-threatening event. Take precautions.
Who is worse....1120 or 1130.
1120 is a legend in his own mind and loves the sound of his own voice. He has been known to turn a bad situation into a volitile clusterf*ck!
1130 is just a plain ballsmacker!
How many Coppers have died over the years from various cancers and mystery respiratory ailments?
*Crickets*
The City of Chicago's dirty secret in the "Dirty War" against Policemen and their families...
How many guys we knew from 011, 012, 013, 006 who have died and are dying of various cancers and mystery respiratory ailments?
Jesus Weeps it's so heartbreaking...
The Kicker?
City Hall knows...
The Medical Section knows...
Fuck it... Even the Feds know...
If regular citizens were exposed to the shit we're exposed to for 20 to 40+ years?
Clouted assholes would be hanging from DOJ gallows like clusters of grapes rotting in the sun on the vine.
EVERYTHING THAT IS ANYTHING IN CHICAGO REVOLVES AROUND SUPPRESSION OF INFORMATION!
Morale Survey?
>Pffft!<
Disappeared like Stacey Peterson because it would have portrayed Policemen in a sympathetic light.
Contrary to what Shortshanks & by proxy, Rahm al Ghoul wanted...
Actuarial studies that tell the real truth about Police mortality?
Suppressed because it gives credence to what a lot of knowledgeable people have said for years.
>Policing is a young man's game...
>Policemen die 10 to 15 years sooner than civilians...
>Policemen should top out in pay much sooner and pension out sooner.
Policemen would own this city lock, stock and barrel if this sorry tapestry of bullshit & fuckery were to ever be stitched together with righteous prejudice and malice on the Policeman's behalf.
The criminal-political class and their allies in local media are deathly afraid of overdue come-uppance and a true course of correction being set in Chicago.
They know their proper place for their role in the cynical furtherance of fuckery is standing on a gallows...
Media excesses in the dirty war against The Police and their concerns has enabled the public to turn their backs on The Police and embrace the catered to constituents destroying this city forever as a place worthwhile to sink roots, work and raise a family.
While local media does all they can to look the other way in order to protect the interests of the criminal-political class of Chicago, we hope national media finally gets a hold of this and starts digging and asking hard, pointy questions that have been dodged for 60 years in Chicago...
Heh... In the meantime... The Policeman has nothing to look forward to except surviving for survival's sake.
Viva Hate... We know too well what's like to be the enemy in the very city you've shed blood, sweat and are forced to swallow bloody tears of outrage over being reduced to mere indentured servants because you wear a blue suit of clothes and a tin star.
But we still come when you call...
Heh... Isn't THAT something?
An entire city weak-minded enough to pay heed to a known, open and notorious criminal-political class and gladly turns it's collective back on the people charged with trying to stem the tide...
As The Police go... So goes any perceived or actual sense of public safety in this city...
The Law Enforcement gypsies from New Yuck can run away, hide and fuck themselves for the damage they've done...
May all of you wake up one day and find your Chicago dreams, goals and aspirations lying next to you in bed rotting like a proverbial dead whore in a catch basin...
You too Rahm al Ghoul...
Sic Semper Tyrannis
call OSHA and the EPA
1-800-321-OSHA. fuck asbestos
Mars or someplace.
8/22/2012 03:43:00 PM
Mars Is Not A Landfill.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, EARTHLING.
Uncle Martin
Speaking of all the contractors doing work on city projects.
Has anyone else noticed that most are from out of state?
Some have Rahm's Chicago signage on them about making a new Chicago
and creating jobs.
Jobs for who Michigan Wisconsin etc. ?
Also at a national level
have a look at this.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/us-bridges-roads-built-chinese-firms-14594513?tab=9482930?ion=1206853&playlist=14594944
Anonymous said...
Not asbestos. This is what it looks like. http://inspectapedia.com/sickhouse/asbestos/asbpipe11.jpg
8/22/2012 09:46:00 AM
Asbestos comes in 1000s upon 1000s of products and takes on many forms. Even if that particular pipe wrap wasnt asbestos, chances are the paint and surrounding construction materials do contain this poison due to the age of the building and the materials used to construct it. Damn near EVERY construction related material back in the day had asbestos in it, and without a doubt some amount of it exists on that debris. And any amount is not good.
The shit building at O'Hare used for drivers training doesn't have working water fountains. Outside during the heat and no water.....thanks Rahmhole.
Anonymous said...
Ahh don't worry it'll take a few years before the lung and eye problems begin to show up from the remaining dust. By then the city can claim that "there's no proof" of anything.
Yeah...It's all about values ya know...
8/22/2012 07:01:00 AM
City values: clouted are golden, others are crap, and lying with a straight face is a virtue.
Now we really know why the city decided to consolidate the Areas! Less civil lawsuits from the poor souls left to inhabit those cesspools!!
OSHA- look up 29 CFR 1910.100/200
Disposal from the "cradle to the grave". Is responsibility of the last person in possession. There should be a hazardous waste manifest form accompanying the waste. The law was from RCRA/Cercla/and SARA.
Resource conservation and recovery act passed in 1976 amended the Solid Waste Disposal Act of 1965. I believe it is under subtitle C.
Cercla deals with Liability as of 1980.
Call the IEPA or FEd EPA and get their recommendation. They are not the brightest people, but if you get a good person, they have power to clean it up and dispose, if the responsible party does not take ownership, or does an or does an unsatifacttory job (shitty job).
Can't hurt. EPA has jurisdiction on this.
CFD would have to call someone else on this too. Unless they have an Fed on scene coordinator (FOSCR).
Most of the danger on this job comes from INSIDE the building.
Men with guns & knives we routinely handle.
It's these silent killers that are among our greatest enemies.
rb
Green peace will bring the band but Jesse And Al And...... won't be asking for EPA clean up jobs.
We will have to reopen NASA to get rid if the shit!
As a tradesman, I can assure you that is not asbestos. That doesn't mean that the contractor isn't potentially removing that material around officers in an improper manner, that puts them at some sort of health risk. I have breathed in a ton of crap on the job that isn't asbestos, that has caused me plenty of respiratory issues.
A) Relax, it's Fiberglas. B) OSHA is not responsible for City facilities.
Asbestos should have been removed years ago and when remodeling is done, putting it in a dumpster is correct.
Didn't somebody blow a whistle and toss the flag on construction of the new 012?
A shitload of asbestos in the ground at the site?
A quick blurb and *poof* nothing else?
The city that consistently doesn't give a fuck about exposing it's employees to this shit?
What about all the other Police Stations that are notorious cancer clusters?
Nice... Really fucking nice...
Asbestos comes in 1000s upon 1000s of products and takes on many forms. Even if that particular pipe wrap wasnt asbestos, chances are the paint and surrounding construction materials do contain this poison due to the age of the building and the materials used to construct it. Damn near EVERY construction related material back in the day had asbestos in it, and without a doubt some amount of it exists on that debris. And any amount is not good.
8/22/2012 09:17:00 PM
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And then, consider the lead paint attached to all of the above...
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