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XO's are being "demoted" back to Captains and will henceforth be Watch Commanders.
Rumor is the city lost or is about to lose the grievance filed by the Lieutenants Association and is looking for a cheap settlement.
Next thing you know, we'll have Desk Sergeants in the station.
Everything old is new again.
Rumor is the city lost or is about to lose the grievance filed by the Lieutenants Association and is looking for a cheap settlement.
Next thing you know, we'll have Desk Sergeants in the station.
Everything old is new again.
Labels: department issues, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
63 Comments:
Either way, this department SUCKS!
They tried this experiment once before. When there were 2 Lts on the watch there was usually a lot of favoritism and cronyism. That's why they went back to captains as watch commanders. NOW they have a Lt and. Sgt or two splitting the watch. Most of the Sgts have begun to actually think they are equal in rank to their Lt counterparts and have even gone as far as arguing with them over how the watch should be run.
I say bring back the Captains AND the desk Sgts. Nothing is any better now than it was with the old way.
Don't get mad take your medicine.
Can't wait til Capt. Ryan returns to the w/c's office. Oh joy. WTF.
Everything old is new again.
I think I've seen evidence techs centralized, decentralized and centralized again, three times in my career.
When you don't know what else to do, reinvent the wheel.
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Next thing you know, we'll have Desk Sergeants in the station.
Everything old is new again.
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So, the City has learned they have to abide by the CONTRACT? SHOCKING!!
I wonder what watch in 10 is gonna get White when this goes thru. God help us
The commander of 10 had a meeting the other day with all the supervisors of that building. From what we were told by sgts at roll call and how we interpreted it, the fixed posts aka "the box" that the district mans are basically punishment and/or extortion. We were told that more boxes may be on the way, but the way to avoid that is to produce more numbers. WTF? Way to motivate your troops commander. Mostly everybody hates sitting on these things because they're boring, you can't leave without proper relief and you're a sitting target. The more boxes we have to man will also mean more work for the rest of the watch since those cars will be down and unavailable for assignment. Oh, and that will probably mean less people will be able to take time due.
god please. just bring back the department of just 5 years ago even.
now they can file a lawsuit for getting demoted without just cause. LOL
Fucking idiots !!!
This is how it's done in New York.
How come the FOP says grievances are backed up about 18 months or more, yet this one gets settled within a couple of months?
Geez, I hope so. - a Captain (who, by the way, has always been a Captain as XO was never a "promotion". Duh.)
You guys in 10 need to take a stand and stick together. Even if you have to suck it up with no time due for a while. When you keep showing no activity, eventually downtown will get rid of the commander.
Anonymous said...
Can't wait til Capt. Ryan returns to the w/c's office. Oh joy. WTF.
8/23/2012 12:34:00 AM
Why dog? are you scared?
Most of the Sgts have begun to actually think they are equal in rank to their Lt counterparts and have even gone as far as arguing with them over how the watch should be run.
I say bring back the Captains AND the desk Sgts. Nothing is any better now than it was with the old way.
___________________________________ this must've come from a Lt. why? because they have necer accepted the fact that they are not ( eventhough they continued to ) sit in the office ,not the front desk as required. and they can not stand the fact that whether you're a Sgt. or a Lt.---- it doesn't mean shit because when you are the station supervisor, YOU ARE IN CHARGE & IF YOU SIT IN THAT CHAIR IN THE "OLD W/C''S OFFICE THEN THEY CAN RUN THE WATCH HOWEVER THEY BEST DEEM NECCESSARY, and half the time they do a better job than you !!! deal with it !!!!!! SO remember Lt. you sold yourself out thinking you were screwing us and guess what? YOU GOT SCREWED AND WE DONT GIVE A FUCK !!! BA WAA WAAA. QUIT YOUR CRYING D'BAG!!!
Mostly everybody hates sitting on these things because they're boring, you can't leave without proper relief and you're a sitting target. The more boxes we have to man will also mean more work for the rest of the watch since those cars will be down and unavailable for assignment
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and guess what ? all this "boring " shit will still get me a paycheck and the people of chicago will say thank you on the 1st and the 16th.
How is sitting in the box for the entire tour and not dealing with savages or writing bs case reports or being able to walk around the block considered punishment? If anything it screws over other officers because it draws manpower and citizens because it is basically a block detail which the rest of the district does not have the privilege of. I wish the box was on my block I would give the officer the keys to my house while I was at work. As far as motivation I dont think Jesus could motivate cloutless police officers to do any proactive policing right now.
Capt mike ryan. What a pleasant guy to deal with in 019.
Actually, years ago there was a Capt & TWO Lts assigned to every watch and they were split amongst the 7 day off groups, assuring that other than furlo, medical, time due etc, you'd always have a W/C AND a field Lt. working. I think things ran much smoother then and there was definitely an established "chain of command", not this b.s. we now have. I know politics play a part in any promotional process but back then it was clear cut as to who's in charge.
But what do I know, I've only been in a district all 26 years.
BE SAFE!!
BACK EACH OTHER UP!!
The New York system is a miserable failure, time for change
You all wished for Daley and Weis to be gone. You got your wish. Be careful what you wish for.
Thank God! We were truly leaderless for a period of time there!
Enjoy the check all u station supervisors are gonna get. and soon the p.o. doing desk sgt wk will get paid.Like to see what this stupid idea will cost the city.NICE MOVE GARY
The commander of 10 had a meeting the other day with all the supervisors of that building. From what we were told by sgts at roll call and how we interpreted it, the fixed posts aka "the box" that the district mans are basically punishment and/or extortion. We were told that more boxes may be on the way, but the way to avoid that is to produce more numbers. WTF? Way to motivate your troops commander. Mostly everybody hates sitting on these things because they're boring, you can't leave without proper relief and you're a sitting target. The more boxes we have to man will also mean more work for the rest of the watch since those cars will be down and unavailable for assignment. Oh, and that will probably mean less people will be able to take time due.
Punishment???? That sounds like a great detail, provided I have my iPad and bagged lunch. Bring that back to 011, I love being a dog in the ghetto.
Anonymous said...
The commander of 10 had a meeting the other day with all the supervisors of that building. From what we were told by sgts at roll call and how we interpreted it, the fixed posts aka "the box" that the district mans are basically punishment and/or extortion. We were told that more boxes may be on the way, but the way to avoid that is to produce more numbers. WTF? Way to motivate your troops commander. Mostly everybody hates sitting on these things because they're boring, you can't leave without proper relief and you're a sitting target. The more boxes we have to man will also mean more work for the rest of the watch since those cars will be down and unavailable for assignment. Oh, and that will probably mean less people will be able to take time due.
8/23/2012 01:10:00 AM
Have a spine already and ask...no, DEMAND...all "requests" for activity be put on paper by the requester.
Trust me when I say it works wonders at putting on the brakes to the "extortion" of which you speak. "What's that, lieutenant? I HAVE to start checking off with something other than zeros or you're gonna put me on the late side? No problem, make an itemized list of what your activity demands of me are and sign it at the bottom. And for good measure, be sure to cite the disclaimer(s) of what I can expect if I don't produce."
You'd be surprised how many of these never-been-the-working-police idiots will back right off. And if they're actually dumb enough to put "expectations" (quotas) in print, be sure to save copies of everything for your attorney.
The only problems with this type of scenario is that the majority of today's "police" are spineless sheep that are afraid to speak up for themselves, choosing instead to blindly follow supervisors that A) don't have a fucking clue what they're doing and B) won't give a second thought to throwing you under the bus when the shit hits the fan to save their own skin.
Time to grow a set, kiddies. Just because they wear white shirts doesn't mean they're smarter than you. And in most cases the total opposite is true.
sounds like theres gonna be a whole bunch of people getting fat checks for being acting desk sergeant over the last year or so. that's IF they were smart enough to document things and file grievances like the union urged them to do. CHA CHING, CHA CHING !!!!
Either way, this department SUCKS!
8/23/2012 12:04:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They tried this experiment once before. When there were 2 Lts on the watch there was usually a lot of favoritism and cronyism. That's why they went back to captains as watch commanders. NOW they have a Lt and. Sgt or two splitting the watch. Most of the Sgts have begun to actually think they are equal in rank to their Lt counterparts and have even gone as far as arguing with them over how the watch should be run.
I say bring back the Captains AND the desk Sgts. Nothing is any better now than it was with the old way.
8/23/2012 12:10:00
I agree this whole XO and Watch/District Supervisor experiment was a joke, but we don't need the rank of Captain. We're too top heavy as it is. Nothing wrong with a Sgt or a PO voicing his or her concern over how things are run. That's what's wrong with this department now, NOBODY speaks the hell up when they see things that are mismanaged and department orders not followed correctly.
xo 's demoted back to captains will again be assigned to the 3rd watch on a 10 hour shift 1800-0400
District commander will be resonsible for duties on 2nd watch
Lt's will be assigned to an area and deputy chief will assign them on what districts to supervise .
Desk Sgt is back , remember they do 95 % of work anyway .
Anonymous said...
now they can file a lawsuit for getting demoted without just cause. LOL
8/23/2012 02:03:00 AM
Idiot! They were never promoted. It was a title change so they can't sue for a demotion.
Why do we need an xo? Never had the position before and we survived. Another useless made up position collecting big money. Also through this little trial period, we realize we don't even really need a LT. Sgts fill in and run the watch when the Lt is off and again we survive. Our watch didn't have a Lt from Jan to June. and the Sgts did the job and the watch was more relaxed and more productive. Eliminate the too many gold braid made up spots. Eliminate the useless xo position. and eliminate Lts, obviously not needed. Gee Rahm look how much money I just saved you. Maybe you can use it to hire P.O.s. You know the ones on the street handling the jobs. Ahh. who am I kidding. That would never happen!!!
OT but pretty funny.
Was just meandering around on Ebay and came across some police photos for sale. Chicago Tribune has a whole shitload of them for sale, some up to 90 years old.
Check this out for a laugh. PO's wives were complaining to a commander about pairing 'police' women with males (their husbands) Can't remember date, but it should be on it if you scroll down.
Some great, great pics up there!
Link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CT-PHOTO-afp-826-Chicago-Police-Wives-/251132548767?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a78aa969f#ht_3561wt_1010
Im not sure anyone can answer this but here goes. Since McCarthy has not demoted one incompetant exempt, what will happen when there are no more made up spots to put these politicians. When he finally has to demote one will the demoted exempt be able to claim past precedent in that past policy has allowed under acheiving exempts to just get lateral moves? Just wondering how long it will take for that law suit?
They need to promote about 50 Lieutenants, to make it how it used to be. And thats above the 26 in the academy now.
Bring Back the 6 and 2!!!
Anonymous said...
god please. just bring back the department of just 5 years ago even.
8/23/2012 02:01:00 AM
Seems like only yesterday we couldn't wait to get rid of Weiss, boy what Id give to have him back.... Did I just say that?
Anonymous said...
Can't wait til Capt. Ryan returns to the w/c's office. Oh joy. WTF.
8/23/2012 12:34:00 AM
oh man agree 100 percent.
sorry 3rd watch, you have suffered so much in the past but thats the way it goes. What a jagggggg.
How come the FOP says grievances are backed up about 18 months or more, yet this one gets settled within a couple of months?
Seriously? Where the hell do you people come from? The land that time forgot?
Im not sure anyone can answer this but here goes. Since McCarthy has not demoted one incompetant exempt, what will happen when there are no more made up spots to put these politicians. When he finally has to demote one will the demoted exempt be able to claim past precedent in that past policy has allowed under acheiving exempts to just get lateral moves? Just wondering how long it will take for that law suit?
Underachievers get lateral moves? Knock knock - how about Carothers? He got promoted for being an incompetent hack. There are others.
He got promoted for being an incompetent hack. There are others.
Up north, Kenny comes to mind.
Two lt's didn't work, how did they expect 5 or 6 Sgts to work? It's not that Sgts can't handle the WC spot and po's can't handle the desk sgt spot it's all about personalities and egos.
Maybe some districts can deal with it but it appears most can't. When the Lt is there things are ran one way, when Sgt A is there another and when Sgt B another. All this does is throw consistency and any semblance of discipline out the window.
You need a designated person in charge. If two Sgts change things daily then the lt needs to step in, if that lt can't then the XO, and finally the commander.
Problem is you can't sit two policeman down, regardless of rank, and decide where to go to lunch. How can u expect multiple supervisors to agree upon how the watch should be ran?
If the commanders weren't spending hours upon hours trying to get their compstat numbers together maybe they could actually manage the district effectively.
The idiots at top fail to realize that the beat officers make or break a district and the beat officers fail to realize if they act together they can make a break a district. Until one group figures that out, both will continue to be in shitcago/purgatory.
Anonymous said...
How come the FOP says grievances are backed up about 18 months or more, yet this one gets settled within a couple of months?
8/23/2012 05:28:00 AM
Uhhhh, maybe because they're NOT in the FOP. They have their own union. And their union has different protocols when resolving issues compared to ours.
And seeing the Lts and Sgts have way fewer members than patrolmen, they undoubtedly have less grievances in the pipeline that need to be resolved, hence a quicker turnaround rate for them.
You need to ask "The City" why they drag their feet with our grievances, not the FOP. Our guys/lawyers are ready to go, and there's even wording in our contract that stipulates a certain amount of grievances must be heard a month. However, the city repeatedly stalls and breaks the contract in this regard, hence FOP filing an unfair labor agreement beef vs. the city for this bullshit.
Pick up a copy of our contract from time to time and enlighten yourself, Hair Gel. Better yet, attend union meetings and you'll learn all about what's being done to protect your contractual rights.
Or just bitch on the blog and wonder why the conspiracies revolve around you and other dummies too lazy to get involved.
Jeez, I hope you're an only child.
8/23/2012 09:40:00 AM
I Fart In Your General Direction said...
Anonymous said...
The commander of 10 had a meeting the other day with all the supervisors of that building. From what we were told by sgts at roll call and how we interpreted it, the fixed posts aka "the box" that the district mans are basically punishment and/or extortion. We were told that more boxes may be on the way, but the way to avoid that is to produce more numbers. WTF? Way to motivate your troops commander. Mostly everybody hates sitting on these things because they're boring, you can't leave without proper relief and you're a sitting target. The more boxes we have to man will also mean more work for the rest of the watch since those cars will be down and unavailable for assignment. Oh, and that will probably mean less people will be able to take time due.
8/23/2012 01:10:00 AM
Have a spine already and ask...no, DEMAND...all "requests" for activity be put on paper by the requester.
Trust me when I say it works wonders at putting on the brakes to the "extortion" of which you speak. "What's that, lieutenant? I HAVE to start checking off with something other than zeros or you're gonna put me on the late side? No problem, make an itemized list of what your activity demands of me are and sign it at the bottom. And for good measure, be sure to cite the disclaimer(s) of what I can expect if I don't produce."
You'd be surprised how many of these never-been-the-working-police idiots will back right off. And if they're actually dumb enough to put "expectations" (quotas) in print, be sure to save copies of everything for your attorney.
The only problems with this type of scenario is that the majority of today's "police" are spineless sheep that are afraid to speak up for themselves, choosing instead to blindly follow supervisors that A) don't have a fucking clue what they're doing and B) won't give a second thought to throwing you under the bus when the shit hits the fan to save their own skin.
Time to grow a set, kiddies. Just because they wear white shirts doesn't mean they're smarter than you. And in most cases the total opposite is true.
8/23/2012 09:58:00 AM
Can I get an AMEN!!!! Old School still rules, glad to see that there's still a few of us around. My tip to you IFIYGD, don't waste your time trying to beat these ideas into the heads of the newbies. They're too scared to stand up for themselves and most can't be trusted to do the right thing anymore. PC ruined this job like its ruining the USA.
commander of 10 can't find illegal food vendors
Have a spine already and ask...no, DEMAND...all "requests" for activity be put on paper by the requester.
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100% correct. Except this is not exclusive to newer officers. I see guys succumb to this at special and they are all 20+
JJ in 005 likes to ask for activity and these guys don't say boo. He has never asked me because we worked together in the past and he knows what my respectful put it on paper response would be.
Live on your feet not your knees.
It will NEVER HAPPEN! I have already made my phone call and told my chinaman I WILL NOT BE A W/C AGAIN. Absolutely not! No How, No Way. If they even dare to try making me do that job I will hold my breath until I turn blue. Don't test me because I swear I'll do it.
Hehe, "Don't test me" ... that's funny because I haven't passed a test yet! Hehe, you gotta love it. My chinaman made me a Sgt, then a Lt, then I didn't even have to pretend to take an exam to get made captain. And now you think your going to make me do the job that I begged for ....... not gonna happen.
Either gimme my gold star or kiss my ass. I have waited long enough. I go to all the right promotion parties. I kiss all the right asses. I've covered up for all the right incompetent screwups and all the right rotten kids. I helped the city scheme and maneuver to screw the lts, sgts and POs out of their out of grade pay.
No way am I going back to that W/C BS. Way too much responsibility. I didn't stab every other rank in the back just to be right in that seat having to actually put my name on arrests and time due slips.
Especially not time due slips. Not now that we're blaming all the homicides on coppers using comp-time. I'm not touching that with a ten foot putter. No siree bob, we stuck you suckers with that shit fair and square and I'm not taking it back.
Who gives a fuck? Pushing a beat car yesterday, today, and until I retire. (fart noise)
Have a spine already and ask...no, DEMAND...all "requests" for activity be put on paper by the requester.
Trust me when I say it works wonders at putting on the brakes to the "extortion" of which you speak. "What's that, lieutenant? I HAVE to start checking off with something other than zeros or you're gonna put me on the late side? No problem, make an itemized list of what your activity demands of me are and sign it at the bottom. And for good measure, be sure to cite the disclaimer(s) of what I can expect if I don't produce."
You'd be surprised how many of these never-been-the-working-police idiots will back right off. And if they're actually dumb enough to put "expectations" (quotas) in print, be sure to save copies of everything for your attorney.
The only problems with this type of scenario is that the majority of today's "police" are spineless sheep that are afraid to speak up for themselves, choosing instead to blindly follow supervisors that A) don't have a fucking clue what they're doing and B) won't give a second thought to throwing you under the bus when the shit hits the fan to save their own skin.
Time to grow a set, kiddies. Just because they wear white shirts doesn't mean they're smarter than you. And in most cases the total opposite is true.
8/23/2012 09:58:00 AM
You are criticizing the (never been the working Police) bosses but yet you advocate others not to do any work....
You are an Oxymoron!
You are criticizing the (never been the working Police) bosses but yet you advocate others not to do any work....
You are an Oxymoron!
8/23/2012 08:01:00 PM
the differences being that:
1. those capable of doing actual police work are being encouraged to not jam themselves up because....
2. those incapable of even understanding what constitutes real police work want to use those who are capable, to further their incompetent, pathetic, fraudulent careers.
and, thus:
3. you are a simple moron, sans the oxy.
Have a spine already and ask...no, DEMAND...all "requests" for activity be put on paper by the requester.
Trust me when I say it works wonders at putting on the brakes to the "extortion" of which you speak. "What's that, lieutenant? I HAVE to start checking off with something other than zeros or you're gonna put me on the late side? No problem, make an itemized list of what your activity demands of me are and sign it at the bottom. And for good measure, be sure to cite the disclaimer(s) of what I can expect if I don't produce."
You'd be surprised how many of these never-been-the-working-police idiots will back right off. And if they're actually dumb enough to put "expectations" (quotas) in print, be sure to save copies of everything for your attorney.
The only problems with this type of scenario is that the majority of today's "police" are spineless sheep that are afraid to speak up for themselves, choosing instead to blindly follow supervisors that A) don't have a fucking clue what they're doing and B) won't give a second thought to throwing you under the bus when the shit hits the fan to save their own skin.
Time to grow a set, kiddies. Just because they wear white shirts doesn't mean they're smarter than you. And in most cases the total opposite is true.
8/23/2012 09:58:00 AM
You are criticizing the (never been the working Police) bosses but yet you advocate others not to do any work....
You are an Oxymoron!
8/23/2012 08:01:00 PM
You missed the point.
Nowhere does it advocate others not to work. What it does advocate is not feeling obligated to perform like a circus seal for bosses that don't give a shit about you.
The numbers game has always existed, especially for the tact teams, various units and especially patrol when it comes to revenue generating numbers. I don't think we need to explain how easily guys get sucked into gray areas when they feel under the gun to produce numbers. Humping for activity because the D.C. says he got his ass chewed at ConStat is when stupid shit happens. And this stupid shit gets coppers suspended, fired, destroyed financially, imprisoned or any combination thereof. Being a "working copper" doesn't mean a fucking thing if you're not smart enough to realize when that work benefits the CPD hierarchy while having the potential to ruin your life.
Do what your job description calls for. Do proactive policing only if it benefits YOU (the 2 free hours on the end for sweeping a corner after the Alderman called the DC and complained doesn't count). Do all of the above without prejudice and by he rules and fuck what any other man, chevrons thru gold leaf, thinks or suggests you do. And in the event you're given a direct order, just remember that you can refuse that order if it's illegal - just be prepared to be able to articulate your refusal.
P.S. - You are, simply, a moron.
cpd over 90 % of XO's were merit sgt and lt , 100 % of XO's are merit promoted
Unless they put an XO back in a blue shirt , most are still over promoted political hacks
Alberto V-05 Dinosaur said...
Anonymous said...
How come the FOP says grievances are backed up about 18 months or more, yet this one gets settled within a couple of months?
8/23/2012 05:28:00 AM
Uhhhh, maybe because they're NOT in the FOP. They have their own union. And their union has different protocols when resolving issues compared to ours.
And seeing the Lts and Sgts have way fewer members than patrolmen, they undoubtedly have less grievances in the pipeline that need to be resolved, hence a quicker turnaround rate for them.
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Hey Mr. Alzheimer:
Don't assume anything, you know what that means.
I know LT's are not in the FOP. I'm just pointing out, why that if the city lawyers are too backed up to handle OUR grievances, how can they settle a grievance only a couple of months old so quickly for the LT's?
It's an example of addressing the white shirts first. I don't give a fuck they have fewer numbers! The city still has the same number of lawyers!
Why does the city have lawyers suddenly available for the LT's grievance? A grievance a couple months old is settled already?
Should be a better system. In order, maybe? Or those that affect the most number of the people who do all the work, the grunts? Us blue shirts?
Go take some viagra and jerk off.
Has anyone else had the same thought:
The people who work the desk are lazy. Especially the POs who work as the desk Sgt.
Anonymous said...
He got promoted for being an incompetent hack. There are others.
Up north, Kenny comes to mind.
8/23/2012 04:32:00 PM
Kenny was a good, fair guy. What did he do, dump you out of some sissy unit because you did absolutely nothing?
Anonymous said...
Can't wait til Capt. Ryan returns to the w/c's office. Oh joy. WTF.
8/23/2012 12:34:00 AM
Why dog? are you scared?
8/23/2012 07:31:00 AM
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You haven't ever encountered his several personalities?
Anonymous said...
How come the FOP says grievances are backed up about 18 months or more, yet this one gets settled within a couple of months?
8/23/2012 05:28:00 AM
There are four different unions - get a clue!
Iron Mike(a true walking contradiction)was a "real working copper" in his day. I'm sorry. I'm laughing as I write. He rides around in civilian dress. I can quote singer songwriter John Mellencamp on this....."It's something to see, Baby!"
Whatever nevermind
>>>Anonymous said...
Why do we need an xo? Never had the position before and we survived. Another useless made up position collecting big money. Also through this little trial period, we realize we don't even really need a LT. Sgts fill in and run the watch when the Lt is off and again we survive. Our watch didn't have a Lt from Jan to June. and the Sgts did the job and the watch was more relaxed and more productive. Eliminate the too many gold braid made up spots. Eliminate the useless xo position. and eliminate Lts, obviously not needed. Gee Rahm look how much money I just saved you. Maybe you can use it to hire P.O.s. You know the ones on the street handling the jobs. Ahh. who am I kidding. That would never happen!!!
8/23/2012 11:49:00 AM<<<
(This comment has been toned down by author.)
Rahm loves people who think like that.
NO PROMOTIONS! NEVER! EVER!
No Out-of-Grade pay, don't hire enough, just push everything off on the few. We need a structure, a chain of command, a chance to get ahead. Rahm owes us, let's collect.
Anonymous said...
Why do we need an xo? Never had the position before and we survived. Another useless made up position collecting big money. Also through this little trial period, we realize we don't even really need a LT. Sgts fill in and run the watch when the Lt is off and again we survive. Our watch didn't have a Lt from Jan to June. and the Sgts did the job and the watch was more relaxed and more productive. Eliminate the too many gold braid made up spots. Eliminate the useless xo position. and eliminate Lts, obviously not needed. Gee Rahm look how much money I just saved you. Maybe you can use it to hire P.O.s. You know the ones on the street handling the jobs. Ahh. who am I kidding. That would never happen!!!
8/23/2012 11:49:00 AM
Great idea! As a matter of fact why can't a bid PO be the DSS etc. Look at the money we can save. The city would never have to make another promotion and you could look forward to 29 and a day as a blueshirt. Great! That's what I like to see. Someone striving for their future. Asshat.
You missed the point.
Nowhere does it advocate others not to work. What it does advocate is not feeling obligated to perform like a circus seal for bosses that don't give a shit about you.
The numbers game has always existed, especially for the tact teams, various units and especially patrol when it comes to revenue generating numbers. I don't think we need to explain how easily guys get sucked into gray areas when they feel under the gun to produce numbers. Humping for activity because the D.C. says he got his ass chewed at ConStat is when stupid shit happens. And this stupid shit gets coppers suspended, fired, destroyed financially, imprisoned or any combination thereof. Being a "working copper" doesn't mean a fucking thing if you're not smart enough to realize when that work benefits the CPD hierarchy while having the potential to ruin your life.
Do what your job description calls for. Do proactive policing only if it benefits YOU (the 2 free hours on the end for sweeping a corner after the Alderman called the DC and complained doesn't count). Do all of the above without prejudice and by he rules and fuck what any other man, chevrons thru gold leaf, thinks or suggests you do. And in the event you're given a direct order, just remember that you can refuse that order if it's illegal - just be prepared to be able to articulate your refusal.
P.S. - You are, simply, a moron.
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Finally! Here is someone with brains. Also, some supervisors are either (1) telling officers to frame people for arrests or are (2)completetly ignorant of the criminal laws--"if you see people on that block, then lock them up;" the supervisors might be dumb and telling officers to commit criminal acts, also. Another thing that is interesting is that the desk people get sucked into the "activity frenzy," but the desk people do not do the work. No, thank you. it is not for me. I will answer my calls, write reports when they are required, and keep my job.
its fact baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has anyone else had the same thought:
The people who work the desk are lazy. Especially the POs who work as the desk Sgt.
8/23/2012 11:32:00 PM
Fuck you! Try it sometime, asshole!
Who do you think gets your fucked up paperwork (wrong complaints, no case report,etc) in order at 0430-0530 so your prisoner can go to court before his 40 hour mark? I know, what 40 hour mark? Ever hear of a duty judge? Ever take a call from the Deputy for not getting someone to court on time? Maybe you miscounted your dope - (I know, hard to miscount a one bagger) - guess who's count has to be correct since we're signing off on it? Until you've been on the hot seat, STFU. Believe me, most days the $45 extra pay (If we ever get it again) isn't worth it. Come on in, I'm sure plenty of the actors will be happy to show you how it's done.
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