Abbate Civil Trial
- Now, almost six years later, bartender Karolina Obrycka's lawsuit against Abbate and the city of Chicago is set to go to trial on Monday in federal court. While the videotaped beating remains the emotional center of the case, the trial will turn on whether Abbate, other officers and higher-level police officials engaged in a cover-up to try to protect the veteran officer and keep the damaging video from public exposure.
This thing has reeked since day one. No one has ever admitted to, let alone investigated, how Abbate got through the hiring process with his background. Any of a dozen red flags should have kept him off the job. Then his behavior from day one should have gotten him suspended and facing 30-pending on numerous occasions. Nothing though. A career rife with cover-ups, excuses and passing the buck.
Now the entire Department is on trial and the City is fighting so taxpayers (of which every cop is a part of) don't have to pay for this asshole's off-duty bullshit. Quite frankly, we hope the City gets clear of this one, because if you think it's miserable now, just wait if the City has to pay for off-duty shit.
More from the article:
- Obrycka's lawyers said that another bartender, Patti Chiriboga, a friend of Abbate's, warned the officer's girlfriend the day of the beating about the damaging nature of the videotape. Abbate and his police partner made some 150 phone calls to other officers and detectives in the hours after the beating, according to court records.
One-hundred fifty calls? Dude knows he has problems.
- That same evening, Gary Ortiz, another Abbate friend and city employee, went to the bar to ask Obrycka not to press charges, according to the lawsuit. Ortiz relayed that Abbate had offered to pay for Obrycka's medical bills and time off work if she did not complain to the department or file a lawsuit, her lawyers contend. Obrycka declined the offer. According to court records, the city has conceded that Ortiz's action was an attempted bribe.
Duh. Does that guy still have a job?
- In a conversation secretly tape-recorded by the bar's owner, Martin Kolodziej, Chiriboga allegedly explained how a desperate Abbate had angrily threatened her to help conceal the beating, even making a veiled reference about her brother at one point.
"He goes, 'Believe me what I tell you.' He said, 'Your life, everybody in the (expletive) bar — this is, this is — I'm backed against the wall,'" a transcript quoted Chiriboga as saying. "'I don't give a (expletive). I did, I did that to Karolina,' he said, 'but I want the tape. I want the (expletive) tape.'
"He calls me — he tells me, 'Do you love your brother?'"
In the same conversation, Chiriboga told Kolodziej that Abbate threatened to falsify charges or plant evidence if necessary.
"You tell Martin to get rid of that tape or there's gonna be people getting DUIs," she quoted Abbate as telling her, according to the transcript. "You might be driving with a pound of (expletive) cocaine on you."
This isn't some "code of silence" or "blue wall" or whatever the media wants to portray it as. This is a desperate drunk who finally realized he went far over any line previously passed and that a video was going to sink not only his career, but a bunch of people's lives and maybe even his ass in jail. Too bad it didn't sink his enablers that got him on the job.
We haven't met one cop yet who didn't think Abbate shouldn't be fired. Not one. And we've been through a number of districts these past 6 years. We also have met dozens who think he never should have been hired and are disgusted with the process that got him past his record into the ranks of the CPD. That's what ought to be on trial - the process and the circumvention of safeguards that should have prevented this jackass from ever having a badge.
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posted by SCC at 5:31 AM
145 Comments:
Another political hack that will make our lives misserable. Fuck him!
cozzi was sent to prison for far less. abbate deserves twice what cozzi got. the girl will receive money, but the cpd will get another blackeye.
Another politically connected peice of shit
If Ortiz works for S&S, than he still has his job.
Ask yourself this.... Do you think he is the worst guy that got through the screening process for this job?
Hell no!
That is why this job has gone down hill. I cannot wait for two more years to come. I'll be gone.
What was in his background where he shouldn't have been hired?
I've heard he was an asshole, so why anyone would try to help him is beyond me.
If, and it's a big if, there's any good that came out of this, it's to use this asshole's behavior as a learning experience--99% of us didn't need to learn it in the first place, but those of you who want to get drunk and act the fool--well, don't pull an Abbate!
Why he didn't go to jail is beyond me.
Bill Cozzi slaps a beligerent drunk, and here we HAVE a beligerent, drunk, bully cop, who gets zip?
Who is his whack?
Can you do a breakdown of just how he got in, how he passed the safeguards that should have prevented his hiring? Any idea?
Thanks for all you do 'out there' as well as in here.
U stay that he never should have been hired and had a horrible record on the job. Why? Please let us know why he shouldn't have made it past the hiring process.
Hopefully that asshole is flipping burgers somewhere.
I would like to think that if I had a raging drinking problem, that my friends or partners or bosses, would take me aside and offer some constructive assistance, not cover for me.
Did he ever go to rehab, or was he too good for that?
Too bad that girl didn't have a gun behind the bar and shoot his ass. What a fat fucking ugly creep he was.
The sad part is that there were several good people who should have been hired yet who did not have the necessary clout, yet he worms his way through.
The idiots who tried to protect him should be fired as well.
In lieu of the sentence Ofc. Cozzi received, it seems like this guy should get life in the same shithole prison.
-not a cop
Feel bad for everyone involved, but most especially the good people at the CPD whose reputation is eroded by the asshole behavior of one man and the friends that tried to cover this up. He should not even get work in a slaughterhouse.
Fuck Abate, bring some justice down on that guy.
God bless CPD.
0737--
Run on WGN ch. 9
on top of all this abbate works at mcormick place now
Abbate ruined this job
Cozzi served Abbate's time
The city (us) will pay for his actions
Hard to believe that with all the MILLION$ of taxpayer dollars that this city has dropped on ghetto trash for all sorts of bullshit lawsuits, that they didn't pay off this girl to keep this suit and it's notoriety out of the limelight. Then again, this is one that Tiny Dancer can use to his advantage while the City negotiates with the police for a new contract.
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." ~ Rahm Emanuel
He worked in the same district I worked, for a while. He was a thief and a drunk. The bosses knew this. Still they did nothing except transfer him to another district. That's how it works, they refused to deal with the problem, they made it some other district's problem. Now they will pay. The guy was no good from day one.
So because this asshole fucks up and makes calls to every cop he knows we all have to pay??? What a bunch of shit!!! The RO's that wrote the report had no knowledge that dickhead was the police nor did they do him any favors. Those guys took 30 days and got screwed!!
Wouldn't it be funny if the whole thing was just an elaborate plot by the bartender and Abbate. Hell when you look at the video,, it looks rough, she might have lost a few hairs, but none of the blows were really dead on, and a cooler doors are insulated. MILLIONS of dollars in city settlement can buy the 2 of them an island paradise. The "bribery", the 150 calls.(really??) just makes in more convincing.
I got chunks of guys like Anthony in my stool!
I not only think he should have been fired, I think he should have gotten jail time in the general population. Fucking real man to beat the hell out of that girl and then threaten other people with planting evidence, ect. How in hell did he receive 2 yrs probation by a judge. I think the judge is in the pocket of politicians. Did Abatte get another city or county job? The press ought to look into this...
I was assigned, notice I didn't say worked, with Tony in 020 on the 3rd watch. He and his knucklehead partner, JB, were the types that nobody backed up and they backed nobody else up. They were hated and shunned.
I hope this trial brings out just who his juice is and how this juice covered Tony for years.
This trial, will unfortunately, give ammo to our detractors.
This guy was taken care of from day one.
They should investigete how he got on the job, who protected him in the academy, and even better, once he was on the street, who took care of the CR's he allegedly gererated.
What boss was involved?
Is this just another coverup to protect yet another exempt rank?
In total agreement that Abbate and his ilk falsely stain the vast majority of the Department. They get clouted into jobs, get protected by their sponsors, and until that whole system is made public and some higher-ups lose their jobs and pensions, nothing will change.
But I have to point out that civilians perceive a Blue Line because sometimes it sure looks like one. When Abbate showed up for his criminal court dates back in 2007, cops let him go in and out the back door of court, and used squad cars while on duty to keep the media away from him. If that's not the Blue Line in action, I don't know what is.
Contract time
I hope Abbate pays out of his ass. Maybe his shady brother can have a benefit for him.
Get ready for some more crying and whining from P.M. The guy just whines all fucking day long. He is always looking for sympathy from his fellow coworkers.
Isn't America a wonderful country? A source from the Polish community at Belmont and Milwaukee tells me that she is an illegal. Yet she can sue and she will make out like a bandit. America, what a country!
OT and FYI
Please go and vote, hopefully for Romney. Early voting starts today and runs through November 3. You can vote at any early voting location, all you need is your government issued ID. Its a lot faster this way and you can do it while at work. A lot of coppers, for what ever reason have their head up their ass and seem to believe that Obama has it locked up. Polling indicates otherwise. DONT BE COMLACENT. GO VOTE FOR WHOEVER. IT TAKES LITERALLY 5 MINUTES AND YOU CAN DO IT ON CITY TIME. YOU HaVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO VOTE.
Exactly who does Abbate know? How politically connected is he? Because of incontrovertible evidence he had to be disavowed and let go.
I presume that if there were no video his acquaintances would still stand up for him.
Well said SCC. Sadly we all know at least 10 more just like him, that were only hired based on their phone calls.
O.T. a big FU to the Daily Herald and Chicago Cubune for endorsing Anita Alvarez. God forbid any of you encounter a drunken Daley relative on a Saturday night.
If you think the process is to blame, you're just as bad as the dems. It is the fault of one stupid ass drunk. He may not have been a drunk prior to screening before job offer. If he was, unless he shows up drunk, how hard should the process be? What should be done different? You want people to follow possible recruits around?
SCC has scored a goal with this post. A hockey goal. Not that silly soccer stuff. It's a goal in hockey, right?
First, as he stated an examination of the entire clouted hiring process needs to be done both regarding the specifics of this case and in general. Because of a prior DUI Abbate was not eligible under CPD rules to be hired when he was. Those rules became more like suggestions in his case. A mild suggestion, apparently.
Second, there needs to be a foolproof method of dealing with problem officers. Something that is insulated from the power of the clout. It would help if problem officers or just burned out officers could be sent on "sabbatical" to other city departments.
Sometimes good cops just get burned out on the day to day vileness they encounter. Let them take a year or two off and trim trees for the city while staying on the police payroll. Keep them in a "reserve" status so they can be put to use during "emergencies" like NATO or the upcoming Mormon riots if Romney loses.
A city laborer who actually shows up to work makes about the same money as a blueshirt. It would be a "win win" for the city, the department and the individual officers who take advantage of it.
I spent a few summers cutting grass and trimming trees and they are nice mindless gigs. You go to work, you sweat, you go home, shower, and take a nap. Nice.
Also the pension system needs to change. I don't claim to understand the ins and outs of it as it seems to have been developed by twisted Keebler elves and Monty Python accountants, but cops should be able to qualify for retirement before 20 years.
Say a guy has 12 years on and is burned out he should be able to leave, get another city job and eventually draw a pension.
So endeth the lesson
he should have gone to the shit house, too
"You tell Martin to get rid of that tape or there's gonna be people getting DUIs," she quoted Abbate as telling her, according to the transcript. "You might be driving with a pound of (expletive) cocaine on you."
f that cop has that much cocaine on him, then maybe we need to search his home!!
He's a low life loser who should have been put behind bars.
Never seen a SIMPLE BATTERY (that's what it should have been) get so much attention.
All that sounds great, except the part where the first responders never told the supervisor that the offender was a cop. The cover-up is always worse...
He's got the best chinaman in the business.
Just came back from EARLY voting at the library. I'd vote for that drunken bully Abbate before I'd vote for any Democrat.
Please check "NO" on the CA 49 issue which is on the left side of the first page of your machine ballot opposite your ROMNEY/RYAN check box.
CHING CHING! ... and we have another winner of The ghetto lottery .... give that bartender a million bucks !
Bad situation and now we get to see the tape another hundred times thanks to the media.
On a lighter note, ever see the movie Man on a Ledge, a realistic portrayal of media.
Farrakan say bout the American Family as his son beats the fuck outta his wife in domestic disturbance. He talk bout homosexuality destroyng black race while his followers go down low. Sure he been there. NOT ME BAWAHAHAHAHAHA. Enjoy that meat louie. Louie say MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
See Cocaine Dealer John Cappas is a business partner now at Bouron Street on 115 and Homan Since he got out of prison after 42 yr sentence that ASSWIPE served less. Cpd and BR Finn still love place for parties. Big break on bill. Cappas was slingin dope long before Finneg was suckin peepee on this job
"Chicago Police Culture on case in beating trial"
Same with Vanecko. All those 8,000+ clean cops hiding something that the 10 or so cops were told to hide. Tragic. Just tragic. Sleep well tonight, you guilty fucks.
What the BOSSES in 20 pretended they scene nothing of his actions?Nice too see nothing changes they are still fucking useless.Maybe COMMANDER MOY should have yelled at him more.
It's always the cover up that's the crime. Jesus, haven't we learned anything!
See Cocaine Dealer John Cappas is a business partner now at Bouron Street on 115 and Homan Since he got out of prison after 42 yr sentence that ASSWIPE served less. Cpd and BR Finn still love place for parties. Big break on bill. Cappas was slingin dope long before Finneg was suckin peepee on this job.
Where do you thinhk the guy who runs that place got his start up cash? Dope
Rumor was a certain boss didn't meet height requirements in the 1970 's and is still taken care off by the politicians
This guy was taken care of from day one.
They should investigete how he got on the job, who protected him in the academy, and even better, once he was on the street, who took care of the CR's he allegedly gererated.
I was in 11 when Anthony was there working the wagon on third watch. The person who did the most to shield Anthony was beat 1130 Sgt. He always made sure Anthony didnt drive the days he came to work "under the weather". Or he switched his assignment to lockup keeper. Or he downed the only wagon on third watch on hospital details so Anthony could dry out a bit. He occasionally had Anthony driven home by one on duty guy while his partner drove Anthonys personal car home. When the guys he worked with on the wagon had had enough and bailed on him and kept the wagon, that same Sgt put Anthony on the park car 99 free to do what he did unchecked. So if you want to know who and how he was "protected" after he got on, start with some of his immediate supervisors in 11. The bosses in 11 didnt fuck with him for a reason. Anyone care to take a guess why? Can you say birds of a feather? Can you say Anthony did plumming work for alot of these bosses? Can you say they drank together and went bowling together?
Sad to say that because Rahm told the city that he would hire 500 new cops this year, HR is pushing bodies through the system. The entire process took 2 months for my neighbor to get hired, and there is much more to go through now than when I got on 27 years ago. And this kid is an rotten ahole. Unfortunately, I wasnt interviewed about the kid's character. Makes me assume that we got a lot more shit coming on the job if the city is moving this quick to make Rahm look good.
Hey, 4:02pm....Moy wasn't Commander of 020 when all this went down,,,,,get your facts straight before you sling BS.
What's your beef with her? She dump you to midnights? Off Tac? Or she called you on your lack of work?
Frank Rizzo said...
I got chunks of guys like Anthony in my stool! Out - fricken - standing!!!!!
Can anyone confirm that John Cappas is a partner at 115 Bourbon Street. Is this some BS rumor?
Anonymous said...
He's got the best chinaman in the business.
10/22/2012 01:46:00 PM
Sure does. So good in fact, that after he's found not liable for any damages in this civil trial, he's got a spot in the next sergeants class.^
^ Officer Abbate has not been officially separated from the department yet. No pay status? Yep. Separated? Nope.
And of course the Trib is leaving the comment section open on this one.
Every alleged threat came out of Abbate's mouth or one of his friends. Not any CPD officers except him at the time. When you take a report and the alleged offender is not around how would you know the offender is the police. Just because someone says so. Abbatte was a J.O when he worked in 011, a do nothing fuck. The only cover up here was the one Abatte tried. Hopefully the jury find him liable and not the city.
Current Trib headline: Attorney: Bartender was beaten by 'one of Chicago's finest'
You can see Rahm's smile from 1500 miles away (literally).
whats with the shooting in 019 at roll call.they are pets nothing will happen.
I am waiting for someone to say that he was the real police, he got set up, and the race card was used (yea, someone will come up with a way to explain it). And despite the video, he did not commit the alleged acts. Also, there are big changes coming this Friday.
"This thing has reeked since day one. No one has ever admitted to, let alone investigated, how Abbate got through the hiring process with his background."
That's the thing about Background Investigations on Cop applicants- if you screw up a murder investigation a murderer gets off.
If you screw up a background on a police applicant (or if he gets "juiced" onto the job by his clout) we get stuck with some psycho nutjob for the next 30 years.
Anonymous said...
What the BOSSES in 20 pretended they scene nothing of his actions?Nice too see nothing changes they are still fucking useless.Maybe COMMANDER MOY should have yelled at him more.
10/22/2012 04:02:00 PM
While I'm not a big fan of Moy, this happened in 2007. Moy didn't get to 020 until March of 2008.
Anonymous said...
See Cocaine Dealer John Cappas is a business partner now at Bouron Street on 115 and Homan Since he got out of prison after 42 yr sentence that ASSWIPE served less. Cpd and BR Finn still love place for parties. Big break on bill. Cappas was slingin dope long before Finneg was suckin peepee on this job
10/22/2012 03:52:00 PM
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Time for people to find another location for benefits.
I won't go to any benefit that is held there if that F#CK Cappas is involved with them.
And I know all you will say it's abou the person that the benefit is for and not the place it is being held but the place it is being held should have some morals and values. Cappas is a piece of shit that should still be rotting in jail!!!!!!!
F - Bourbon Street.
There are too many good officers within CPD whose reputations suffer because of the incompetent slackers who simply get into CPD because they know someone. Heck, for every Abbate, there are 10 more slackers being placed into Sgt positions because of who they know. I know so many great cops but I realize the damage CPD rank has caused by hiring unqualified people. It is really quite a shame.
OW Wilson's Ghost said...
SCC has scored a goal with this post.
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ehhh, maybe not. Since you're here politicking for Emanuel's new strategy of putting light duty people on the "rat patrol" payroll let's take a stab at it shall we?
#1. Sure, staying on a working payroll while you have a problem that keeps you from your regular job is great. But we're not talking about a customer service job. We're talking about someone who carries a gun and enforces the law for a living. Emanuel knows full well that creating the alternative job of "peasant rat catcher" is demeaning to someone who's previously held a job upholding the law. So, arbitrarily determinging who's "burned out" and making them a rat catcher is designed to cause that person emotional stress and make them quit, rather than work as a rat baiter.
2. Your reference to "foolproof" and "clout proof" is naive at best and borders on Emanuel white collar criminal. There IS no foolproof ANYTHING in politics, and policing IS politics pure and simple. Police are no longer used for the purpose the law intends but rather as political pawns to extract votes or money or to enrich those who've already promised votes or money. Therefore, there never will be a "cloutless" process in dealing with people who're stressed out.
3. Your view of our pension is childish, uninformed and naive. Our pension exists as it does because we gave up contractual raises for years. That was the City's way to defer giving us a raise. So the pension was set up as it is now because the POLITICIANS decided to con us into NOT taking raises in lieu of PENSION provisions over the long term. So we bought it, years ago. And we've lived by it, for two decades minimum. We ALL came on this job assuming, and calculating that our final days would end as planned, with the pensions we came on with. Fucking over those of us who have NO time left to start all over is NOT a legal, moral or ethical way out of the problem, especially when the public at large has been allowed to get away scot free without paying their lawful share into those funds for decades. It's time to pay up, AND THAT INCLUDES US COPS WHO PAY THE SAME TAXES YOU DO! OUR PROPERTY TAX IS GONNA GO UP AS MUCH AS OR MORE THAN YOURS, SO CRY US A RIVER THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY ONES HAVING TO PAY FOR THE PENSIONS, BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THE SAME OR MORE FOR IT OURSELVES!
Anyone remember PO Kevin M. Of 019? Over 100 brutality complaints, at least 5 years of suspension time, threatened a sgt at work, threatened to blow up a Lt's house to his face at the desk, many lawsuits, countless other beefs yet people including a Lt from personnel and the current XO of 019 spoke up for this lout and helped him keep his job. Incredible.
He is now retired on police pension. If he could not be fired then no one can be fired.
Funny thing about the day bosses in 20 is they fuck with people who they leave alone and ones that deserve to be fuck with get a free pass.Like the p.o. that stays down for hour on HER jobs and doesnt feel the need to do her crossing cause shes ordering pancacks.Again the bosses in 20 are jokes.
DON'T answer the questions about why or how he got past the hiting safeguards. Those are media trolls asking; looking for another way to scoop the Department.
If you are working and there is a Early Polling Place, you can VOTE. If you don't vote against this Socialist, Police Hating Scumbag you are clueless. He's not BLACK he's RED. VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can all agree that Abbate did far worse than poor Bill Cozzi. Remember that the reason Cozzi went to prison was Jody Weiss.
Tony's loaded (no, no, no...not JUST with alcohol).
He has considerable assets, including but not limited to several apartment buildings on the north side, partnership interest in a very successful plumbing business, summer place on the water in upper Wisconson and more than a few vintage Harley Davidson motorcycles in climate controlled storage (BIG $$$).
He always used to brag at family gatherings how he "worked the job like a pimp", that he only got on for the medical insurance and to network for his side jobs.
Tony may be ignorant as the day is long, and drunk on most days that end with the letter "y", but he isn't dumb by any stretch of the imagination.
- Former Family Member of The Former Mrs. Anthony Abbate
Whoa, black betty (bam-A-lam)
Whoa, black betty (bam-A-lam)
She really Gets me high (bam-A-lam)
You know that's no lie (bam-A-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-A-lam)
And she's always ready (bam-A-lam)
Whoa, black betty (bam-A-lam)
Whoa, black betty (bam-A-lam)
11:04, why would you knock P.M? He's one of the nicest guys on this job.
He worked in the same district I worked, for a while. He was a thief and a drunk. The bosses knew this.
and other cops, funny thing is there was a cop in 015 who was buddies with him and was talking about him like he was victim and felt bad for him after the bar incident....what a joke!!! your a drunk piece of shit.....well, then your a drunk piece of shit. quit, or get fired. now the city will pay millions and we will look like bigger assholes for the the next 2 years because of this drunkard jagoff.
Same with Vanecko. All those 8,000+ clean cops hiding something that the 10 or so cops were told to hide. Tragic. Just tragic. Sleep well tonight, you guilty fucks.
Im the cleanest cop on this job, and if i ever find out who you are you will be walking around with my size 13 boot stuck in your rectum.
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew that "Big Tony" was a copper?
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT were ever TOLD that "big Tony" was a copper?
We do know that the FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATION determined that "Big Tony" was a copper.
This is how investigations go sometimes.
This incident happened in 025. Abbate worked in 020. To assume that the officers who drafted the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew Abbate, much less "Big Tony", so as to suggest a cover up (by the responding officers) is one hell of a stretch!
That Abbate was allowed to walk through the court building, through the station, and out the back, WAS AT THE REQUEST OF THE COURT SGT (Cook County), and not CPD. CPD allowed it due to the media circus, and Abbate was still a cop at the time, so he was allowed to be in those areas of the building.
This was a crowd control issue, and nothing more.
@4:02pm------We get it,you don't like Lucy Moy,,,but she wasn't DC of 020 when this went down and as far as I can figure, Tony The Asshole, was never in her chain of command. Get it straight when you want to slam someone.
To the person who mentioned PM. Pretty shitty of you to come on here and say that. He's had a rough last few years. If he comes to work and feels comfortable enough with everyone to vent and that helps him, so be it. If you don't want to listen, walk away. He's not mean, doesn't treat fellow officers like shit and handles his jobs. You never know what someone is dealing with privately so don't talk shit about him on here.
AHHH sticking up for COMMANDER MOY,U must be one of her asskissing mgment projects.She really has no clue how to manage people. Keep your head up there, bids are next month.
Anonymous said...
He's got the best chinaman in the business.
10/22/2012 01:46:00 PM
Sure does. So good in fact, that after he's found not liable for any damages in this civil trial, he's got a spot in the next sergeants class.^
^ Officer Abbate has not been officially separated from the department yet. No pay status? Yep. Separated? Nope.
10/22/2012 04:26:00 PM
I have also heard he has some bigtime juice. He has the same attorneys and hangs with the same group of Chinamen as Jerry Callahan. And if that's any barometer, Tony will be back on the job after the air clears. And knowing how this fucking job works, he probably will be promoted after enough time passes. Short memories on this job after all.
Oh god please make this go away!
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew that "Big Tony" was a copper?
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT were ever TOLD that "big Tony" was a copper?
We do know that the FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATION determined that "Big Tony" was a copper.
This is how investigations go sometimes.
This incident happened in 025. Abbate worked in 020. To assume that the officers who drafted the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew Abbate, much less "Big Tony", so as to suggest a cover up (by the responding officers) is one hell of a stretch!
10/22/2012 08:22:00 PM
You're hairgel is showing, F-N-G.
I'll leave it at this, lest the media gets some more free info to use against us.
Why even glorify this goof with any further postings, come one Second City, let's save the time and blog space for something else, how about reporting on the upcoming party for Billy Cozzi coming up on Sunday, He went away for Bullshit when Abbate, who couldn't make a pimple on Cozzi's ass as far as being a good cop should have went away, he is a total embarrasement and deserves not even aone line sentence on this blog.
If true and. John Cappas is anything other than a vendor receiving a product from Bourbon Street most coppers are going to be pissed and will not drink in that establishment again. Maybe they better reconsider where they're going to make their money and decide if that's the right business decision. Then on the other hand it could be some disgruntled city work stirring up shit.
I hope he counter sues her and the tavern for over serving him.
Anonymous said...
Current Trib headline: Attorney: Bartender was beaten by 'one of Chicago's finest'
You can see Rahm's smile from 1500 miles away (literally).
10/22/2012 04:56:00 PM
It should have been "Chicago's Finest Disgusted by 'Cop's Behavior'.
Yeah every once and a while a shithead gets through the hiring process, happens all over.
Unfortunatly the rest of us listen to the fallout on the street and then read about it in the press...
He's toast
Nobody in that bar was man enough to stand up to the fat fuck... Pathetic.
Anonymous said...
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew that "Big Tony" was a copper?
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT were ever TOLD that "big Tony" was a copper?
Read the bottom paragraph on pg. 4 and the first two paragraphs on pg. 5 of the lawsuit here:
http://www.abisoft.org/opinions/2012/1_07-cv-02372_20120223.pdf
Big Tony is now driving a fork lift at McCormick Place. There is a cooler of Bud Light always close by.
Oh Please! Like she has reported every dime she every made. Criminal vs Criminal
AS much as I find this guy disgusting, I also find the extortion of $$$ for a simple battery just as disgusting.
Tell the illegal polish gal and the greedy attorneys to get over it.....waste of taxpayers money.
I could have sworn that when this whole fiasco came out, she was quoted as saying she didn't know he was a cop
If you use common sense as a police officer the only thing that happens in the city is that over analyze our own people after we learn the new facts.. which the watch commander didn't have any tapes at the time of the charges were imposed basic charges for the amount in injury the victim received is common to be charged for a felony if you want an upgrade for a felony i sure hope you won't ever be promoted dum ass no cover up stupid
@4:02pm------We get it,you don't like Lucy Moy,,,but she wasn't DC of 020 when this went down and as far as I can figure, Tony The Asshole, was never in her chain of command. Get it straight when you want to slam someone.
10/22/2012 08:39:00 PM
Thanks Lucy. Now go yell at somebody to cover your incompetence. You are an idiot.
If Rahm wasn't down in Florida, strong arming for his buddy Barack, he could stand at the podium and condemn the entire police department for this 1 assshole's actions.
Anonymous said...
Sad to say that because Rahm told the city that he would hire 500 new cops this year, HR is pushing bodies through the system. The entire process took 2 months for my neighbor to get hired, and there is much more to go through now than when I got on 27 years ago. And this kid is an rotten ahole. Unfortunately, I wasnt interviewed about the kid's character. Makes me assume that we got a lot more shit coming on the job if the city is moving this quick to make Rahm look good.
10/22/2012 04:14:00 PM
I feel you. One of my neighbors has been on for about 4 years. I found out after he was hired that he beat 2 of his previous girlfriend, one of whom is on the job. Neither of these 2 reported him.
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
Uh, it wasn't the police who masterminded him sneaking out of court, dumbshit - it was the judge. The police blocked ONE of three driveways to the SECURE parking lot AFTER this asshole was long gone from the building, and ONLY because the media was trying to do a bum's rush past the Sheriff's bus loading prisoners.
Learn the facts, you media troll piece of shit. And if, god forbid, you're a copper, go fuck yourself.
025 Sgt.
Bill, were you there? I didn't think so. But I was. And you know what? Everything you posted was wrong. We didn't "let" Abatte in the back door. That's where all Police Officers park when going to court. Abatte was a Police Offier at the time, no one in 025 knew him so he parked there as everyone does. As a matter of fact he walked in the back door, past the desk and into court. NO ONE knew who he was or what he looked like.
Squad cars used to block the newsmedia you say? They were all over the place, acting obnoxious and trying to get into that back parking lot. Are we supposed to allow them back their because they want a money shot for the noon news? Are we to allow them back their so that they can film other Officers and their cars, some of whom are undercover? Do they have a RIGHT to go wherever unfettered because they want to?
The newsmedia were allowed inside the station and the front parking lot that day. They were upset because they wanted access to the rest of the station and the rear parking lot and were not allowed back there due to opsec considerations. Abatte was allowed to go out the back door of the courtroom per the instructions of the judge,then through 025 station and into the rear parking lot AS ALL OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS ARE ALLOWED TO DO when attending court. There was no coverup. We didn't know Abatte, didn't know that he had a court date and would not have protected him had we known. Stop believing what the MSM tells you all the time. Use your head. We hate Abatte more than you do. We realize what he has done to this Department and have to live with it everyday!
In reguards to Cozzi. Cozzi had used a sap on the drunk. Cozzi went back to his car to get the sap he used to beat the drunk. Plenty of time for Cozzi to cool down.
Anonymous said...
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew that "Big Tony" was a copper?
Do you know if the coppers that did the PRELIMINARY REPORT were ever TOLD that "big Tony" was a copper?
We do know that the FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATION determined that "Big Tony" was a copper.
This is how investigations go sometimes.
This incident happened in 025. Abbate worked in 020. To assume that the officers who drafted the PRELIMINARY REPORT knew Abbate, much less "Big Tony", so as to suggest a cover up (by the responding officers) is one hell of a stretch!
10/22/2012 08:22:00 PM
I agree. I know the two officers who responded to that job. Both are good, decent and honorable men. They did the report with the information that was given to them at the time. If they knew he was a p.o. then they would have written it down.
Anonymous said...
So because this asshole fucks up and makes calls to every cop he knows we all have to pay??? What a bunch of shit!!! The RO's that wrote the report had no knowledge that dickhead was the police nor did they do him any favors. Those guys took 30 days and got screwed!!
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If so, smells like a lawsuit to me...
Rampant, unbridled nepotism at CPD. The same goes for CFD. If you let relatives get jobs before qualified applicants, you will wind up with this shit all the time..
Tony Abbate was ALWAYS a piece of shit! His brother is a goof too...and as squirly as they come. Fuck you Tony you fat fucking piece of garbage...hope you lose your house and your Harleys to this girl....you disgraced us all. Former 011 Ranger
Lockup keeper from 011 says Tony routinely took toilet paper and cleaning supplies home from the job when he was hidden in lockup to work when he came to work all sauced up. Also would have at least 2 bologna sandwiches every day he worked the lockup so he didn't have to spend his money on food. He claimed he was entitled to do these things "because Oprah said so", whatever that means.
I love guys on the job like this, we have
So many fuckups on this job all you have to do is show up and the bosses think your a great worker. I use to respect cops til I became one.
"Anyone remember PO Kevin M. Of 019?"
Yeah I remember. Right up there with The King of Belmont only more brutal.
Kevin was a nice guy he just couldn't help bullying.
Anonymous said...
Sad to say that because Rahm told the city that he would hire 500 new cops this year, HR is pushing bodies through the system. The entire process took 2 months for my neighbor to get hired, and there is much more to go through now than when I got on 27 years ago. And this kid is an rotten ahole. Unfortunately, I wasnt interviewed about the kid's character. Makes me assume that we got a lot more shit coming on the job if the city is moving this quick to make Rahm look good.
10/22/2012 04:14:00 PM
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The last written was December 2010 and they didn't start the rest of the process until about a year after that.
Anonymous said...
Why even glorify this goof with any further postings, come one Second City, let's save the time and blog space for something else, how about reporting on the upcoming party for Billy Cozzi coming up on Sunday, He went away for Bullshit when Abbate, who couldn't make a pimple on Cozzi's ass as far as being a good cop should have went away, he is a total embarrasement and deserves not even aone line sentence on this blog.
10/22/2012 09:58:00 PM
Party? What party? Haven't heard a word!
Anonymous said...
Big Tony is now driving a fork lift at McCormick Place. There is a cooler of Bud Light always close by.
10/22/2012 11:20:00 PM
McC place is 'owned' by the mob--so now you know where he gets his 'whack'.
Two interesting comments that get to the heart of Chicago neighborhood bar culture and some bad cops bad behavior:
Anonymous said...
Nobody in that bar was man enough to stand up to the fat fuck... Pathetic.
and
Another Anonymous said:
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
C'mon--no one stands up to the fat fuck because it's a neighborhood bar where everyone knows he's a cop and that he'll kick your ass and get away with it. So you leave and go somewhere else to watch the ballgame, or you just stay as far away from him as you can. Or you're a badge-sniffer (the cop groupie equivalent of guys who like to hang around athletes, jock-sniffers) who gets off on being a cop's drinking buddy even if that cop is such an asshole that his assholery is visible from the International Space Station.
And if the bar is full of losers because no one stands up to him, and then she's guilty of battery for hitting him first--uh, isn't she standing up to him? With this definition of battery, a couple thousand guys, and several hundred women, a day in this town are battered by bartenders or bouncers when they're physically ejected from a bar after being cut off and refusing to walk out under their own power.
Everyone on this site is right about how the culture of political corruption in Chicago and Cook County enables these bad cops to make good cops look bad. But neighborhood bar culture--as well as that of the more fashionable joints--enable these asshats as well. We all have to look in the mirror and ask how these guys get away with this shit for so long. Why? Because citizens look the other way.
"Anonymous said...
Nobody in that bar was man enough to stand up to the fat fuck... Pathetic.
10/22/2012 11:06:00 PM"
Yeah right. Unless you're an off duty police officer no citizen in his or her right mind would step in to stop that fight. All then police officer Abbate would have to do is to flash his star when the responding officer or officers arrived and the aforementioned citizen would be charged with a variety of offenses.
Anonymous said...
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
10/23/2012 04:28:00 AM
Give me a break. Abbate is a piece of shit and you are a goof with that comment of yours. Jagoff should have been an adult and a professional and walked away. But in his drunken stupor he sullied the name of every good hardworking police officer in this city, not to mention causing a couple to take big suspensions. You sir are as big a moron as he is.
Guy must hit like a little girl,couldn't even put down that little girl with a slap! He must be a real hero, another pol hack put on the job by some political hack. Embarrasment to all p/o's.Hope he gets whats coming to him.
Whats the big deal. If you can"t take care of your family then who can you take care of?
It's the Chicago way. There's plenty of Tony Abbates on the job.
Just look around. Do nothings, show up just to network for other interests, find soft jobs, do no proactive police work, in it just for health/dental/pension benefits, brag about how the job pays for their taxes.
Bitch about everything wrong with the job but don't do any police work. Take supervisor merit promotions because they are to lazy or dumb to pass a test.
Become bosses and now know how to be the police because they were the police in their minds.
Its the Chicago way.
Abbate was a piece of shit do nothing, cry baby in 011. The cheap fucker would steal the toilet paper and bologne from lock up...good bye to him and his whole family.
to 11:17,
Yes, I understand that the girl is CLAIMING that she and another told the Reporting officers that Abbate was a cop. That does not mean they ACTUALLY DID give the officers that information. That is, in fact, exactly the issue that is being contested. That is the only issue any of us in 025 care about.
PM and JK (who drafted the GOCR)are not only good coppers, they are good people. Two of the nicest guys you will come across on this job. And they are legit. They are not hard chargers anymore, but they know what they are doing. If their GOCR does not relate that the offender was a cop, and they state during the follow-up investigations that no one ever told them that the offender was a cop...THEN THEY WERE NEVER TOLD THE OFFENDER WAS A COP.
Yes, I have a bias. I have known them a very long time, and have worked with them. If there were ever two officers that deserve the benefit of the doubt, in a "he said - she said" situation, it is these two officers.
To 9:52,
I hope this clarifies my point/position. And I dont have enough hair to use gel.
to 11:04,
You are an ass.
Isn't America a wonderful country? A source from the Polish community at Belmont and Milwaukee tells me that she is an illegal. Yet she can sue and she will make out like a bandit. America, what a country!
10/22/2012 11:05:00 AM
A politically connected drunk and hack gets on the job, steps on his dick repeatedly, is FINALLY called on it and the victim is the problem? YOU and HE are ALL that is wrong with this job today. Retirement cant come soon enough...
It's OK -- let it all fly.
This is the kind of thing, the more desperately you try to spin it and hush it up the more the truth comes out.
This being Chicago, it comes out about all sorts of "connected" people as well.
"Big Tony is now driving a fork lift at McCormick Place. There is a cooler of Bud Light always close by."
--10/22/2012 11:20:00 PM
1. Talk about landing on your feet.
2. Hey, Metropolitan Pier And Exposition Authority. (Did I get that right?) Allegations of possibly impaired workers, possibly operating dangerous power equipment? You good with this? Don't need to supervise workplace? Worth the l-i-a-b-i-l-i-t-y?
Guys back a loaded one off a four-and-some-foot-high dock, one slip just because they're tired, whizzing around trying to make a schedule...not pretty.
I agree. I know the two officers who responded to that job. Both are good, decent and honorable men. They did the report with the information that was given to them at the time. If they knew he was a p.o. then they would have written it down.
10/23/2012 07:39:00 AM
If youre dumb enough to believe that, I have some beach front property for sale in the desert, you interested?
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
10/23/2012 04:28:00 AM
With logic like this, youre eminently qualified to wear a white shirt. BWHAAHAAHAAAAHSAA!!!
"Also would have at least 2 bologna sandwiches every day he worked the lockup so he didn't have to spend his money on food."
--10/23/2012 08:49:00 AM
What I don't see here is the connection to "outsourced" free mustard from somewhere.
Give it five minutes. Anyone?
"He claimed he was entitled to do these things "because Oprah said so."
Now that IS good. I'm gonna use that from now on!
Keep laughing and stay safe, everyone.
10/22/2012 08:22:00 PM
I agree. I know the two officers who responded to that job. Both are good, decent and honorable men. They did the report with the information that was given to them at the time. If they knew he was a p.o. then they would have written it down.
10/23/2012 07:39:00 AM
Initial reports shouldn't include conjecture, such as 'I think he was a cop'. The responding officers make the initial report. It's up to the det's to do the follow-up and the 'final report.'
Unless of course, the case was blown off by CMO. If the citizens knew how badly they're getting short-changed on service, they'd be appalled. Det's don't have time to do ANY follow-up. It's called being assigned more cases than it's humanly possible to handle--and being told by bosses to get rid of cases ASAP. Suspend everything.
10/22/2012 06:31:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Anyone remember PO Kevin M. Of 019? Over 100 brutality complaints, at least 5 years of suspension time, threatened a sgt at work, threatened to blow up a Lt's house to his face at the desk, many lawsuits, countless other beefs yet people including a Lt from personnel and the current XO of 019 spoke up for this lout and helped him keep his job. Incredible.
MR the xo of 19 is such a jag I believe it.
You couldn't have expressed it any clearer, SCC, and I applaud your assessment of this merry mess. Never should have been hired in the first place. Clout still rules. And why anyone would go over to that bar and try to do anything to help that POS is beyond me. Sometimes, you've gotta throw the baby out with the bathwater too.
5:51am Abatte was the police when he arrived in court? He wasn't stripped at that time? You sure about that? You do know that when you are stripped or suspended they take your star and police powers away, that means you are not the police during that time frame. You do know that when a p.o. is charged with a crime he is stripped pending the outcome and sometimes for much much longer.
Anonymous said...
I agree. I know the two officers who responded to that job. Both are good, decent and honorable men. They did the report with the information that was given to them at the time. If they knew he was a p.o. then they would have written it down.
10/23/2012 07:39:00 AM
Yeah, the one male copper was involved in the Kozlowski fake parking ticket scandal. And when he was a rookie cop his partner died while driving with him and he couldn't tell anyone what took place.
GO VOTE FOR WHOEVER. IT TAKES LITERALLY 5 MINUTES AND YOU CAN DO IT ON CITY TIME. YOU HaVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO VOTE.
I voted for Romney/Ryan today and not to reatin any Judge as well as no form prop 49. When the beast asked for a picture ID I gave her my FOID card. Vote early vote ofrten.
Isn't America a wonderful country? A source from the Polish community at Belmont and Milwaukee tells me that she is an illegal. Yet she can sue and she will make out like a bandit. America, what a country! 10/22/2012 11:05:00 AM
A politically connected drunk and hack gets on the job, steps on his dick repeatedly, is FINALLY called on it and the victim is the problem? YOU and HE are ALL that is wrong with this job today. Retirement cant come soon enough... 10/23/2012 03:39:00 PM
Lets see if you have any rights in Poland or most countries in this world to sue civilly if you were an undocumented alien. Thats the point moron.
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
please tell me your kidding you mush.. are you serious??? When your 602 and 270lbs it doesnt matter when your drunk in a bar beating the sh*t out of a young tiny female. Abbatte should have gotten prison time and not bs probation. Hes a scumbag and I dont care what she did or if she hit him or not. What he did was wrong and he committed an act of Furtherance after initially pushing her down. he then thought it was wise to pummel her. a real hardass... just like yourself. I cant wait until your logical thinking gets you jammed up.. just explain it that way.. im sure they will just let you off.. moron
I know that he was not to be hired, he appealed, and won.. city was forced to hire him, city's ass is covered!!
Anonymous said...
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
10/23/2012 04:28:00 AM
Dude,if I ever get jammed up on a beef I hopeI can get a fine legal mind like yours representing me!
Where are the Feds?
John Cappas owns a Weenie Wagon in markham, not Bourbon Street, who comes up with this shit
hate to say this, but if you look at the tape the bartender initiated the battery ...
just sayin'
To 6:15 PM on 23Oct-
It doesn't matter if Abatte was stripped. And to be honest about it I really didn't know at the time if he was stripped. But you made my point for me. It didn't matter because we didn't know him or even really what he looked like. On that day when he went to court, he was simply another off duty copper who parked in the back,walked through the station and into court. It wasn't until later on that we learned he was there. Are we to question every copper that does that to see if he/she is stripped?
Bill, the MSM and now her attorney allege this vast conspiracy took place at 025. And they can get away with that assertion because the average citizen doesn't know that Abatte didn't work in 025. They don't understand that coppers from every district in Area Five which includes 014,015,016,017 and 025 all go to court at Area Five. Hundreds if not a couple of thousand coppers. Most of whom don't know each other. I worked in 025 and yet I probably know about five other coppers that work in other districts within Area Five. In order to have a conspiracy to protect or hide someome from something or somebody, a small but important part of the conspiracy is that you know who or what that person being protected looks like don't you think? And as far as Abatte being protected by allowing him to walk out the rear door of the courtroom, that decision was made by the judge due to the media frenzy that was going on in front of the courtroom.
The bottom line is none of us at the desk that day knew Abatte or what he looked like. There was no conspiracy or "blue wall" to protect him. That conspiracy exists only in the mind of the plaintiff and her attorneys because if the can't allege some sort of misbehavior by the police/city, then they cannot hope for a huge award because it's very doubtful that Abatte has millions to give away as a settlement like the city does.
Cappas is a silent partner at Bourbon Street. DICKHEAD. NOw go google something else. Like your sister.
All I have to say is who battered who first. She did hence she is the aggressor.
Whether he went behind the bar or not she battered him first
. What happened after is a whole nother can of worms. It doesn't matter who was bigger or who was smaller she should have been arrested. Watch the video in its entirety.
please tell me your kidding you mush.. are you serious??? When your 602 and 270lbs it doesnt matter when your drunk in a bar beating the sh*t out of a young tiny female. Abbatte should have gotten prison time and not bs probation. Hes a scumbag and I dont care what she did or if she hit him or not. What he did was wrong and he committed an act of Furtherance after initially pushing her down. he then thought it was wise to pummel her. a real hardass... just like yourself. I cant wait until your logical thinking gets you jammed up.. just explain it that way.. im sure they will just let you off.. moron
10/23/2012 10:06:00 PM
You are a true dumb fuck. You should really know what words mean before you use them.
Act of furtherance? Explain numbnuts.
You have to actually be hurt and receive damage to be "pummeled." She didn't have scratch, because fat ass missed every time. I'll be sure to use my logical thinking and get jammed right up.
Lets see if you have any rights in Poland or most countries in this world to sue civilly if you were an undocumented alien. Thats the point moron.
Hey Douche bag.., that's not the point, you can't commit a crime and blame the victim for their "alleged" status. Print the proof before you write something mush mouth!
I'll tell you what.., for those of you officers on here defending Abatte or his actions.., your beat down will come one day. Saying stupid shit like you all have has a way of making that happen.
Karma has it's ways.
You put a nice face on what our officers have become in this city..
The 80%'er's are growing more and more stupid as the day is long.
Remember.., you ARE outnumbered out there.., and WE citizens are your first source of aid.
I came to a officers aid years ago who was getting the bad end of a ass whooping in a gangway.., lost his radio during the chase, while the rest of the stumble bums on his watch drove in circles.., even after the dispatchers gave his last known address, and he was next door to there!
We're friends til' this day.., and even HE sees this Dept., going to Hell in a hand basket!
Hope you 20%'ers look out for each other while you are out there.., the Abatte's are numerous apparently on this job!
To all you coppers out there.., yeah even you dick 4's too!
I'll make this as REAL for as I can...
Watch the video.
The other men in the video look to intercede, yet they appear to either know he's a cop, and are hesitant to get involved, or just plain intimidated.
WE ALL also know that this could of taken a different turn.
Let's say there were no cameras.., and a good samaritan jumps up to stop a douche bag from pummeling a bartender, and it that course, Abatte shoots and kills the good samaritan.
With no witnesses, he will claim self defense. He'll then threaten the bartender to be silent, as he did he as well.
So here comes some reality...,
This retired copper may just be sitting there
( with my .357 snubby ), and when I intercede in stopping some douche bag I don't know from violently pummeling some female bartender, and he pulls his weapon out, I'll drop him like a bad habit!
He knew he could get away with it because he thought he holds all the cards..., but there's always a wild card in the deck!
Something to think about....
Initial reports shouldn't include conjecture, such as 'I think he was a cop'. The responding officers make the initial report. It's up to the det's to do the follow-up and the 'final report.'
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I like to take things to extremes to show how fucking stupid the original assertion ... here goes ... a little girl gets raped - she says she thinks she saw the offender at Jewel the day before at 3pm, but she is not sure. We all know Jewel has video. Now what Mr. Conjecture? Ignore it? Fucking cock sucking goof.
hate to say this, but if you look at the tape the bartender initiated the battery ...
just sayin'
10/24/2012 09:03:00 AM
You are absolutely correct. She made the first physical contact.
All she had to do was go to the phone and dial 911, but no, she decided to physically handle the situation.
It was her mistake, but even so, if you look very close, he never connects.
She was stupid enough to step in front of a raging bull, but she was lucky. Had he connected, she would most likely be a quadrapalegic.
9:45 rebuttal from 6:15
I guarantee he was stripped at that time, he was arrested and charged by IAD, standard operating procedure, and then sent to call back awaiting his prelim hearing. I doubt he arrived at court that day wearing his uniform becaquse then he'd be in even deeper shit. So the only way he could have gotten in past the desk crew is with a phony star or more likely a lack of observation by the desk crew. You can blame that mistake on the desk for not being attentive to security, or blame the station design for making it somewhat difficult to keep things secure. Either way, its a good thing that a disgruntled cop or worse still a terrorist hasn't exploited this yet and killed and maimed a bunch of us.
I never thought this was a conspiracy to protect him, I thought it was an effort by the police and the courts to keep order and at worst I though it was a "fuck you" to the media for killing us on this incident. I'm no fan of the arrogant liberal media.
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