Another Study Group
In addition to the Berstein Study Group, this one popped up:
- Just wondering if you could help inform people of a Sgts exam study group there is a free information session held at Whitney Young High School on 18 Oct 2012 at 18:00 hrs and another on 20 Oct 2012 at 20:00 hrs.
www.cpdtestprep.com 312-373-0340.We wish to make this available to all as seats are limited...
And edge you can get is a good idea.
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
82 Comments:
And yet, there is still no announcement of a test
Seems like a bullshit class....
The website doesn't even say who is running it...
At least the Bernstein Class as pricey as it is has a proven track record!!!
Don't waste your time!!!
What are going to be the requirements to take the test for sergeant? I have 5 years on, but am hearing you will need at least 6.5 on to test?
Does anyone know the requirement to take the Sgt. exam?
So who is this group? Who are they connected to? What are their qualifications to offer these sessions? Do they have a track record in promotional exams with the city or any other municipality?
Funny how this group pops up without the city even officially announcing that there will be another test.
I already have the answers to test, who needs to study?
Who is the host?
I would not spend money on these so called "expert" testing agencies that give you a supposed advantage . If you want to sit there while some guy reads to you for hours, then go ahead and waste your hard earned money. I did the first time I took the Sgt.'s exam. Just read the material the Dept. gives you over and over and over. That's what I did and it worked the second time. Take all the free classes you want, if given by old time coppers. Just one man's opinion.
Anyone able to confirm requirements to take the exam and then take the promotion? I'm hearing 6.5 years and four years college. Granted, that was from one of the local rags that call themselves newspaper. Anyone got any real info?
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Now that Brizard is gone. Hunter can now concentrate his ranting and complaining
on the remaining thorn in his aside, David Vitale.
One gone, one to go.
Hang in there Ken,
Prosser can be GRRREATTT again.
"Seats are limited." How about streaming online?
Then seats are not an issue.
Oh yea, then it would be a level playing field.
600$!!!
those study materials better be laminated.
Study? Aren't you just supposed to call your alderman and hand over an envelope? Then you put out a yard sign for the communist party/democRATS and knock on a few doors to tell people to vote for them. Presto, you're a merit boss.
$700 a pop. Are you kidding me?
5 yrs on...yea your really ready to be a sgt..go buy some more hair gel son
Spend you $$$$ on the questions like the big winners did last time.
Anonymous said...
Seems like a bullshit class....
The website doesn't even say who is running it...
At least the Bernstein Class as pricey as it is has a proven track record!!!
Don't waste your time!!!
10/15/2012 12:56:00 AM
Why knock something that was designed to help our members to possibly better themselves?
Don't join the group then.
Your negative attitude toward our Thin Blue Line as a whole says a lot about you already.
"Don't waste your time!!!"
Knowing the requirements sooner than later would be beneficial as these things sell out and it would prohibit those who actually qualify from taking the seminar/class with others who don't qualify taking up available spots
#1 Sgt ML sure has a good track record! She was #2 Det too....some how....
Whats up with the Capt John Roberts class? I have only heard of it and can't find any info online about it.
That whole tac team from 011 who's g/f from 023 all had a really good track record. Let's ask them what to study.
Bernstein class is a waste of money. ALl he does is tell you to read some orders then gives you BS questions about the order that over 200 people argue about for an hour. He stands up front and counts his money! better to just get copies of the practice tests from sucker who pay!
it looks like that roberts class.
btw...you mentioned how pricey bernstein is. how much you think it will be?
Get on a tact team in 11 if you want to increase your odds of getting promoted.
I was part of a study group put together for the 1993 Sgt's test. This was a group that was run by our Lt. who did this on his own time. We'd meet once a week for a few hours before going into work the midnight shift. There was no merit on this test and out of our group of about 15 patrolmen, about 6 made Sgt including myself. Without this Lt's group I know I would've never passed because I wasn't the most disciplined student. It forced me to read the orders recommended.
Thanks to the best Lt I ever worked for, who retired several years ago, Jack Halpin. A great boss and an even better person!
Brad WOODS is PrepTest instructor and it don't get much better than that! He as well as retired CPD brass w/o pay I might add, are promoting this preptest as an alternative to the only other legitimate course in town.No, the instuctor does not have a proven record for successes, as this is it's "maiden voyage".GO to the FREE seminar and see for yourselves if it's worth your $, and don't cry for not getting ALL the tools you need for this next promotional exam. I believe that WOODS has an honest devotion to prepare the test takers with ALL they'll need for the exam....except the annointed ones that won't worry about how to take it, or bother with the seminar..and it's YOU nay sayers and cry babies who won't take the exam anyway. I doubt you'r even registered to vote in the Pres. election, because YOU KNOW it's rigged anyway!! And NO, I'm not getting paid to endorse it.just go and decide for yourselves, those of you who are taking the exam when it's announced. talk to the people who have used Berstein method and whether or not they believe it helped them, at least w/another option you can decide if you want a qualified CPD geared preptest or one thats a standarized test taking class @ over $900.00 w/out a one on one critique of your sample test...Good luck w/that!
Hey goof's they are giving a free informational session. If you can't spend an hour of your time and see former commander of personnel and bosses give of their time. Your the same guy that will do nothing to prepare for the test and then bitch about how they just missed it by one point. Forget you I actually care about doing my best. Im in.............
So let me get this straight there are coppers actually bitching about a free information session?????????
Stay off the the blog Bernstein employees. You CARPETBAGGERS will get your idiots to sign up just like you do in every state that you bring your canned program.
And by the way you do have a proven track record. Which includes outrageous prices for a dog snd pony show. If you have a thousand people attend your class yes you will have a few pass the exam. But what about the other 99%........
Just saying.
I think this class has limited seating so they will have no problem filling the 80 or so seats. I will stick with my own bosses who actually have excellent reputations and have taken these exams not to mention designed and hired the vendors for the test for the past 15 Years....
Why is there a Special Function 141 and a Special Events 136 unit? And how did T.P. end up there before he went to 021 and then after 021. Seriously?
This will be the first Sgts exam in seven years. I am not going to pass on this and regret it for the next 15 years at least ill take a shot no clout so this class by the bosses is a god send I for one am glad someone put together a class for CPD by CPD. No one is saying you have to take it but its nice they did it i am sure they don't need the money as most have high paying positions plus their pensions.
Also its less expensive than the other programs out there, get it LESS expensive NOT MORE expensive so do your homework before you write garbage that gives bad advice. Just say thanks for the opportunity and move on.......
5 years on and you want to be a sgt? You barely even know the job. Should need 10 yrs in my opinion.
Hey maybe they should pay you for taking their class. These guys that are giving the class, you could not afford them for their knowledge and experience both in the testing area and general CPD job knowledge.
We are an ungrateful bunch sometimes.
Of course you could spend twice the money and get some guy from florida who was selling insurance the week before to teach you that sounds like a good idea........
Thank You bosses for taking your time to put this on. I for one appreciate it, and will see you in class.
Thank You bosses from a P.O. with no clout and no political connections just a working copper. Thanks for the chance at least. Please do not add any seats let the people who don't care about the test study on their own. It only gives people like me who want the promotion a better shot. Or better yet let them take the other class that has unlimited seating to anyone with a grand to throw away. They will be happy to help them part with it.
Ill be in the limited seating class. That alone shows they are not in it for the money. Otherwise they would hold it at the United Center, I am sure anyone with half a brain knows which class is the best.
Thanks again and see you on the 18th..
P.S. I already pre-paid to save my seat.
Is it rue they have only 80 seats???????
I called the number and the guy I spoke to told me very honestly if I cant get into this class then all study groups will help you in some way or another. Even if its just a group of your friends getting together. Also he said they will be giving some test tips for free at the sessions because they know most coppers wont be able to get into their test prep because it is already getting sold out. The limited seating is not a sales trick its just a fact.
That shows what kind of stand up guys they are. They did not knock anyone rather they encouraged me to get into any class i could get into. That sold me.
Ill take a class from instructors you know the guys who actually took the tests themselves, instead of some ambulance chaser from florida...........
I've attempted to look in the General Orders and I can't find anything stating years of service or educational requirements for the sgt. exam. Does anyone have proof of the requirements
I only know one of the people involved in this CPD Test group and he is 100% stand up. So for that alone I am in. He would not be associated with it if it wasn't a legitimate program. And I know he is not about the money.. This actually takes up his time from his other money making businesses so he dont need the money.
"Thanks for giving back" to the Bosses associated with this. Otherwise what would we have.......At least we have a choice now. As far as I know there are only two study groups out there even offering help on this test.
Again Thank You it is appreciated.
From the working police trying to get out of the blue beat car.
The berstein classes are a joke. worst money i ever spent. done spending big money and all that study time for a test that was rigged from the beginning while i saw people who are dumb as hell or "chicago royal family" people that were invited to special study groups at HQ. I was so naive back then when I was new and that my studying for Det and Sgt test would make a difference. Im glad i woke up after ten years and realized that the tests are a joke and are only around for political hacks and the "chosen" select. Any advice, unless you know a sponsor who will put you at the top of the promotion list or you have $500 to waste your money on these dumb study classes, don't bother. Or pretend like this department is legit and take the test.
Some people actually take time to write something negative about a FREE class??????
Sorry I just had to point that out not taking the test but these guys should cancel their free information session we are an ungrateful lot sometimes.
Where is our psychological screening on this job? Obviously a few posters on here slipped thru the cracks.
Sorry about that Bosses and your class is appreciated by anyone with a brain in their heads.
Again not taking the test but know partners who are signing up for your class.
P.S. Just kidding about cancelling your class the working cops appreciate it. And thanks for making it the most affordable out there.
Thanks for posting SCC it just reinforces that you are the unofficial grapevine/news source of this department.
Thanks for posting news we can use.
Bernstein you carpetbagger, I took your class before and the only thing i got out of it was a dislocated shoulder from carrying your binders around. I guess you feel you did your part by reducing the weight of my wallet to counter balance the binders.
Thanks
Signed # over 3000 on the list.
I actually think your class hurt my chances.
5 yrs on...yea your really ready to be a sgt..go buy some more hair gel son
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Well, some of these hair gels are going to out score you. They are probably, smarter, brighter, and hungrier. I have seen the aptitude of officers with 30 years on the job; they do not have a snowball's chance in hell. Some of the new officers have advanced degrees (masters, legal degrees, and PHDs). Yes. This is the competition. (An officer with an advanced degree from a challenging school has a serious advantage--from a fairness standpoint, it is a very unfair advantage.)
This Det is NOT taking the Sgt's test this time around...can't afford the pay cut! ;-)
Don't take Bernstein waste of your money and time I took the course 3 Sgt exams ago I was young and dumb. old retired fop
guy.those guys r from Florida.
Anonymous said...
Thank You bosses from a P.O. with no clout and no political connections just a working copper.
You are such a dork and stand no chance. The REAL study group you want to be in YOU won't get invited to. Get a life.
5 yrs on...yea your really ready to be a sgt..go buy some more hair gel son
10/15/2012 09:14:00 AM
yea, because none of us have seen the 20yr do nothing, should have never been the police, just here to collect a check desk dog become sgt. but hey since they have 20yrs maybe theyre ready to be your supervisor. go get some more rogaine asshole.
Anonymous said...
Why is there a Special Function 141 and a Special Events 136 unit? And how did T.P. end up there before he went to 021 and then after 021. Seriously?
10/15/2012 02:57:00 PM
Because ... they're two separate units serving two separate functions. Look in the order. And ... you have to be "special" to get into either of them. Sorry; you're not.
I wrote before about what I did to pass the last Sgt test and get promoted. I stopped working part-time jobs and made studying the part time work. I took all of the test prep classes and studied hours a day. As someone mentioned, if they haven't offered the test in 6 or 7 years, by the time this one comes up, why would you pass up the chance to get a bette score. I can name 50 coppers that are in the 40-100 out on the current list that would have paid $5,000 to move up 20 points on the last test. Take every chance you get to pick up a point. They add up.
Roberts class helped me with the multiple choice questions and Bernstein helped me a lot with the open ended questions. FWIW.
Tip: "Notify the watch commander."
Hint hint, wink wink.
study your bank book kid
ring some door bells for da guy on da fifth floor at da hall
dats how it's done , da merit way
jajaja hdo all da way
cpd command staff g mac laughs his a off most never passed sgt test , merit all da way
10/15/2012 09:14:00 AM
20+ years on, yeah your lazy, now go retire.
Well the definiion of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting new results. I am signed up. When it fills up you can look at yourself in the mirror and cry about how you diddnt get in and its for clout people etc. Well its open now and everyone who wishes can sign up and attend. And your not doing it.
If its not for you fine dont knock the guys and girls who want to make it a better job for themselves.
I will be glad to point this post out when the time comes to those it applies to. The ones who missed out. Wake up they are telling everyone.
Can anyone find out if we need the four years college?
To those talking shit about Berstein, you were probably the ones arguing with him at every lecture saying that's not how it's done in Chicago.
To future Sergeant candidates, don't listen to the short sighted, narrow minded, nit wits on this blog talking smack about study groups. The last test was over seven years ago, by the time the next test is given it will be eight. Give yourself every advantage. So you spend a few hundred bucks, the return will be far greater. You need to look at this test like the MCAT's or LSAT's. Don't be so fucking cheap! This is your future. I was in the last Sergeant class. I made it off of score. I completely credit Bernstein for shaping the way I answered the test questions, which led to my promotion. I don't consider myself highly intelligent, just highly motivated. Bernstein didn't teach me anything about how to be a Sergeant. The class taught me tips and tricks on how to answer questions. Bernstein enhanced my police vocabulary with buzz words that the test scorers look for while grading the tests. I know my experience won't change some people's perception. Especially if one feels like they've been duped, but maybe those people need to look themselves in the mirror and except the fact that maybe they didnt listen or study hard enough. And if that's not the case maybe your just DUMB? If the costs of the class are too steep, get four friends together. Pool your money. Get the material, form a study group. Just make sure the group you are in is committed to studying. Lastly, I am willing to bet that of the Sergeants that have been promoted off the list 75% of them took Bernstein. Just saying.
Everybody calm down. Pfleger has already chosen who he's going to promote.
The study group you want to be in
Is the one conducted by the Round Table Group. Right Brad?
To 11:09 I surely hope you are not teaching this class with the horrible spelling and grammar you used in your last post..I commend you for your kind words but holy fuck your grammar sucks..Signed 13year hair thinning gel...btw its "accept the fact","you're just dumb","pull your money"....
75% took bernstein???? Ill have a shot of whatever that guys having. Please stay off the Blog already and just be happy with the 500,000 to 800,000 of dollars that you bilked out of the rank and file already. Our leadership comes in many forms from Great Patrolmen, Sergeants etc and sometimes the Leadership comes from Retired Bosses who actually care about the working coppers that they supervised and worked with. This is one of those times. Thank You Bosses for giving of your time even in retirement the working copper gets it.
Good Bosses are Good Bosses even in retirement.
FYI Heard its getting to be standing room only at Whitney Young Study Group. Coppers have spoken. Any idea if they will add more dates because of the great demand to get into this group? Any body with info please respond. Real info not the negative comments please this is important to most of us on the job.
Thanks
Anonymous said...
Study? Aren't you just supposed to call your alderman and hand over an envelope? Then you put out a yard sign for the communist party/democRATS and knock on a few doors to tell people to vote for them. Presto, you're a merit boss.
10/15/2012 08:27:00 AM
A guy from 008? was all over the news for doing just that. Dont ever attempt to bribe a public official. He then wore a wire for the FEDS for years attempting to jam others up because of his stupidity.
And NO, I'm not getting paid to endorse it.just go and decide for yourselves, those of you who are taking the exam when it's announced. talk to the people who have used Berstein method and whether or not they believe it helped them, at least w/another option you can decide if you want a qualified CPD geared preptest or one thats a standarized test taking class @ over $900.00 w/out a one on one critique of your sample test...Good luck w/that!
10/15/2012 02:08:00 PM
Brad WOODS never did a thing for anyone but himself. He was one of the least knowledgeable bosses on this Department.
I do not remember what happened on the last test but I took the Bernstein class.
Can anyone confirm my question...?
Does he offer a group for only the second part of the test?
The first part, well, anyone who took it knows it is a joke.
It's part two that separates you from the crowd.
I scored under 350 on the last test and because of the merit hacks I will be forced to take it again.
Anger clouds my motivation right about now.
Anonymous said...
The study group you want to be in
Is the one conducted by the Round Table Group. Right Brad?
10/16/2012 12:43:00 AM
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Hey, my name is Brad. Are you talking to me?
P.S. Please post last name. Thanks,
Brad
Anonymous said...
Why is there a Special Function 141 and a Special Events 136 unit? And how did T.P. end up there before he went to 021 and then after 021. Seriously?
10/15/2012 02:57:00 PM
There are a lot of "Special" this and that on the CPD. A lot of people who lack imagination in naming units too, all they can think up is "Special" Bumpkins etc.
Special Functions
Special Events & Liaison
Special Employment
Special Activities
Special Victims
Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT)
Special Operations Section (in the history books)
Special Operations Group (also in the history books)
That is 8 units or groups or divisions or sections or whatever with the first name of "Special" now or in the past.
Now isn't that special? I can't wait for the next low brow inbred CPS educated moron to give one more unit the monicker of "Special"
McBoozer ought to outlaw the use of "Special" anything throughout the department.
Anonymous said...
And yet, there is still no announcement of a test
10/15/2012 12:03:00 AM
Announcement here first, there will be a test. There you have it.
Anonymous said...
$700 a pop. Are you kidding me?
10/15/2012 08:55:00 AM
I wouldn't pay if I were you. I took it and retired a patrolman. If you are disciplined and motivated and willing to devote all your free time to studying you can memorize those orders.
Just stop thinking like a stubborn patrolman. No more thinking of shit like it ought to be, think like a boss, like it is, makes no sense but you have to wrap your head around supervisory thinking, it isn't what you would do, it is what would the department want you to do, think like a mushhead boss and you have a chance.
Get a study partner, just one, who is also motivated and work hard as hell. It is hard work and lots of studying. Go to it.
Save the $700 for more blue shirts, just in case.
I took Bernstein and scored in the top 2% in last Sgt.'s class. He was right on the money with everything he taught, especially the multi-point questions... That is what puts you over the edge!
Are they passing out shoe polish and padded envelopes to deliver to your alderman? Otherwise it's a waste of time....
To:
10/16/2012 12:54:00 AM.
The SCC Grammar and Spelling Police have spoken.
Get out of your parents basement and get a fucking life Douche Bag! "Is that grammatically correct enough for you? ASSWIPE!"
I did not know that my blog posts were being graded.
I was typing on an IPAD and the god damn things sometimes changes words.
All I was trying to do was give my perspective on things.
Woods has no info on the new test. Bernstein does. He was at the FOP meeting doing the briefing. He has proven results. Woods retired 20 years ago. WTF does he know? Nothing , unless he attends Bernsteins class.
Every boss says Go to Bernstein! Even woods said he went to Bernstein and said he was good. I'm going to Bernstein. He is the Master, woods is the student.
Bernstein was dead on with my Sgts Assessment. Well worth the money! I made it back very quickly. You either want it or you don't. You have to work for it!
Still seats available for the 18th Oct at the Whitney Young study group.. Just passing it on. Check the FOP website and Chicagocop.com for the info.
Anyone know how Woods made Sgt? Merit or rank? That is what is important. I want to be taught by the guy who knows how to take these tests, the person who ranked the highest. The guy who ranks the highest is the guy who knows his sh*t.
Woods studied the test.
Woods class was a waist of time. Thank you bosses for trying to gouge us! I'm not wasting my time and money
Why isn't there some kind of guarantee that a certain number, say 500 must be promoted off the list. Wouldn't that motivate more officers to take the test. It's not like the officers who scored in the top 500 six years ago aren't as qualified if not more so than they were when they took the test. Not to mention the millions saved on not having to pay to test again. Furthermore, how much time and paper are used from on duty PO's printing and copying G.O.'s?
I spoke to captain John Roberts of CJR study group today 20 Oct 2012, and he said that he will be starting a study group very soon. He also said officers should go to CJR promotions study group website and leave their email address under the contact us bar. He along with some other high ranking, respected bosses will be conducting the class. I took his class for the last sergeants test and scored very well along with many of my colleagues. Captain John Roberts is all about helping the officers getting promoted. Good luck.
He was good on the old style test. According to the fop, it's a new test and Bernstein is the guy.
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