Hire 500?
- The Chicago Police Department will hire 500 police officers in 2013 and hold two police exams — one for new officers, the other for sergeants, aldermen were told Tuesday.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s plan to hire 125 officers-per-quarter was not enough to satisfy aldermen convinced Chicago needs at least 1,000 new officers to ease a manpower shortage they contend has hamstrung the city’s ability to stop a 25 percent surge in homicides and a nine percent increase in shootings.
They were not appeased by the argument made by the mayor’s budget team that Chicago already has more police officers-per-capita than any other major city and that it’s the first time since 2006 that the city has hired enough officers to keep pace with retirements for two straight years.
Kept pace with hiring? What a bunch of crap. Do we have to go over the FOP Newswletters again counting retirees? Then pull up the personnel rosters and count hires by year? And point out (as an aldercreature did) that 1,400 vacancies were eliminated on paper with the stroke of a pen?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Well hate too say it but ill happily take 1400 hires over zero....
Prayers for the retired detective and his family. May God watch over them.
"Do we have to go over the FOP Newswletters again counting retirees? Then pull up the personnel rosters and count hires by year? And point out (as an aldercreature did) that 1,400 vacancies were eliminated on paper with the stroke of a pen?"
Yes, you do. But the media isn't reporting that...
I'd like to see the amount of money the City spent on smoke and mirrors.
hahahah...
We have more police per capita. What about the rest of the stats. Homicides per capita. illegal immigrants per capits, etc, etc. We are the only place without conceal carry so let's not cherry pick the numbers.
Don't play with us Rahm.
We wonder what the numbers of troops per capita for Afghanistan and Iraq looked like and if we fought a war based upon that number what the results would be.
Off topic Today would have been the 46th ( I think) birthday of the late PO Tim O'Grady of the former 023 now the 019th district. Tim died waaay too young about 8 months or so ago. I Miss you Timmo and cant believe you're gone. RIP
Is the article correct that you will need 6.5 years to take the Sergeant's exam?
what about a new ET test?
OT: They're calling this a "violence tax," and it's probably "for the children," so it's GOT to be good right?
They're comparing this to a cigarette tax, but the obvious flaw in that logic is that while cigarette smokers damage themselves, an overwhelming majority of ammunition that's purchased legally in SH1TCAGO, CROOK COUNTY, ILL-ANNOY, is used legally and not violently.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/09/14317013-cook-county-considers-violence-tax-on-guns-and-ammo
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I believe that the upcoming Sgts. exam should be open to ALL patrolmen & detectives, regardless of years of service. They should keep the minimum years of service required to actually be promoted, however. Since these lists are likely to be up for many years, every officer should be allowed to take it. Just because you don't have 5 or 6 years in grade as a patrolman now doesn't mean you won't have it before the list is taken down and a new promotional exam is offered.
I think it's fair. If you don't have the time in grade, you're passed over and the next number is called. Hopefully, even if you tested well but fail to have the time in grade, they will get to you before the list is taken down. If not, the youngbloods will just have to roll the dice again on the next exam.
One more retirement here. Tuesday was my last day. No more, done, finished, it's all over.
Think we've got 45 aprox FTO's left so if these hirings are real they'd better change the FTO rank to D2a(sorry dect div)to make the job more atractive and a promotion than a teaching job with little benifits and no real authority .Open up a few more dist for assignment idk its just silly now.
I keep telling Rahm we need to hire more officers. Were at about 8500 officers right now.
Garry Mc
500 doesn't bring us up to levels from years ago. We are not even holding the line. In the next three years almost one third of all current officers will be able to retire (the 86 & 87 hires).....but I'm not telling the Mayor anything he doesn'talready know.
It's going to get really dangerous out there.
And still budgeted for 13,500.
Idiot shitcago taxpayers.
There's no shortage of manpower. The population of Chicago has decreased over the years, thus less police are actually needed.
The police-population ratio is notoriously misleading and inappropriate. It figures Rahm would use it.
One more retirement here. Tuesday was my last day. No more, done, finished, it's all over.
God Bless.. Lots n lotsa checks. RUN LIKE HELL far far away!
Liars figure.
Figures lie.
Another shell game. He gonna swear in civilian personnel, give them a badge and gun at the same rate of pay they currently have. Problem solved!
et list to stay up.look for a new class by spring or early summer.they are retiring rapidly!
Are those figures "New Math" or did compstat navacomputer spit them out?!
They will never hire 500 in a year with Tracy Ladner running the show at Personnel, er, I mean Human Resources.
She can't get one class run through the academy without screwing it up. The story of the young Marine showing up at the appointed hour, as he was notified to do, only to be told it is a mistake, sorry, go home, is so typical of the Ladner regime.
Anonymous said...
I believe that the upcoming Sgts. exam should be open to ALL patrolmen & detectives, regardless of years of service. They should keep the minimum years of service required to actually be promoted, however. Since these lists are likely to be up for many years, every officer should be allowed to take it. Just because you don't have 5 or 6 years in grade as a patrolman now doesn't mean you won't have it before the list is taken down and a new promotional exam is offered.
I think it's fair. If you don't have the time in grade, you're passed over and the next number is called. Hopefully, even if you tested well but fail to have the time in grade, they will get to you before the list is taken down. If not, the youngbloods will just have to roll the dice again on the next exam.
10/10/2012 01:07:00 AM
Don't stop there, retired guys under 63 ought to be allowed to take it.
I believe we have had more than 500 retire within the past couple of years alone. There will be many more leaving soon. There are many guys that would have stayed longer but they are getting out sooner because the department has gone to absolute crap. The city will need much more than it is figuring because the wave of upcoming retirees will be huge.
Hired does not mean they get to the street. A number of these are let go or take other position.
When will we face up to the fact that the number of police is not the issue.
We simply have a bad police department, rotten from the head to the desk person tail.
85% have never testified in a felony trial
75% make no more than 3 arrests per year
60% have never made a meaningful arrest
45% have never made a UUW arrest
30% have never made an arrest
10% are functionally illiterate
These are real numbers (except the 10%, that's an observation). The funny thing is that statistics for those with less than 7 years on are actually worse. So, the more police we hire from the current generation, the worse off the department will be.
ET's will be replaced by civilians.
Sgt's should be required to have a minimum of 10 years seniority , with 4 in patrol , not a unit or desk duty. How many of our merit sgts worked inside in units?
how do you think rahm can reward certain people if he spends money on police? they think we are not necessary for the safety of the city. the body count is 406, but we have new park, bicyle path money for a hotel, river front paths. its simple they are expendable, so are we.
I am from the 86/87 grouping. Just checked for my appointment date, out of the 145 that started only 53 remain... and I am counting the days until I can join them in retirement.
Gee and it only took 50 plus extra homocides a month, 2 football fields worth of pot right by doty gas station, multiple victims of mob actions all over the city including the loop and michigan ave., violent crimes over the roof etc...etc...etc..etc!!! oh yeah and not to exclude the fact that police and the good citizens of chicago that remain have been begging for hiring more officers for a while! hey like our great mayor says its for the children (huh, huh, BULLSHIT!!!)
Now that's funny! It's not even a chip in the iceberg compared to how many have retired over the years. Hell, there is probably over 100 retiring this year alone. The media should look into it.
I was thinking of quitting the job after 17 years. Next, I'm getting some plastic surgery performed to alter my appearance, than creating a new identity, including a new name that "oozes" clout.
I'll retake the CPD entrance exam, get hired, and see if my career turns out any differently.
On second though, I better stay put. I probably couldn't pass the "psyc test" today, given the fact that I've got 17 years of pent up anger watching the "Kool aid" drinkers and cloutbabies getting ahead and leading this once proud department!
is this job worth it? Does anyone still have fun while at work or is it just pure misery? How is the camaraderie? Where are the districts to work and learn the job?
Anonymous said...
Is the article correct that you will need 6.5 years to take the Sergeant's exam?
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Actually, it'd be far better to have 9.5 behind your attempt to get promoted here.
I keep telling Rahm we need to hire more officers. Were at about 8500 officers right now.
Garry Mc
10/10/2012 03:14:00 AM
Garry, As long as they keep the string of cute little dollies coming your way, you don't give a damn about how many real police officers are out here on the street. You aren't kidding anybody.
We need more Michigan ave Foot Mannequins.
Congrats! After you get used to the idea, you'll wonder why you waited. Enjoy the holidays this year; bet it's the first time in three decades you've been able to plan for them.
We lose 500 a year due to retirement, health issues, injury on duty, firing, suicide, death. To get us where we need to be and budgeted for, we need 1,500 + not 500. This is all smoke n mirrors to woo the Chicago Sheep. Tragic is the best word to describe the manpower issue with the force.
O.T. Sgt.'s contract is close to being done. 2% raise per each year of the contract. And in exchange for everything else remaining the same, they are going to a voucher system for uniforms... No more uniform allowance checks.
The plan also involves laying off 200 civilians who work for the Department in various capacities. And who do you think will end up doing their jobs? So again, the net gain is a lie.
What about k9 test or mounting ?
Tim was a very good man. When times were rough, he puts a smile on my face. Bosses messed with him all the time but he was the was first to help you out when you needed something. I worked with him many times in a beat car and he was a genuine, honorable man. He is missed and should wake us up that our time here is precious and this job should never come first because all we are is a number in this department. Who cares about the awards, perfect attendance crap. Look out for each other, its all we have out here. Half the white shirts would hang us out to dry so they could move up another rank. RIP Timothy, you are in our hearts.
Just an FYI for those interested free info session for Sgt study Group at Whitney Young H.S.. 18 Oct 1800-2000 hrs, 20 Oct 0900-1100 hrs. Call 312-373-0340 for seat reservation.
Where is the budgeted money for 13,500 at? Recklessly used somewhere else. Maybe in a few politicians pockets? Due tell.
Big thank you to all you sellouts that work for the department on your days off. Instead of hiring more P.Os Rahm said he will hire you to work your day off every year from now on. So to those that work it and continually bitch about running job to job and how understaffed we are during your regular tour of duty, i will now laugh at you and say that its your own fault.
They will never hire 500 in a year with Tracy Ladner running the show at Personnel, er, I mean Human Resources.
She can't get one class run through the academy without screwing it up. The story of the young Marine showing up at the appointed hour, as he was notified to do, only to be told it is a mistake, sorry, go home, is so typical of the Ladner regime.
10/10/2012 09:22:00 AM
At least he made it through her gauntlet of reasons why to dump military/police family off the list. She has resorted to just making up reasons without any supporting facts. She dumped a coppers kid off the list and he was told first it was psyc. Then it was lie detector and now she is saying drug test. No appeal, no proof that he failed other than her flapping gums. And wea re suppose to trust her...please.
Yeah Right
Does anyone know what number they are on for this current list? They have to be almost done with the list. I heard its taking 12 applicants to get one hire.
Mass Exodus of Sgts and P.O's leaving 2nd watch in 011.
Anyone care to chime in on what or who may be the issue on the 2nd watch?
Gee... with the idea of outsourcing the ET and Crime Lab jobs, if the city thinks it will save money... check again. They outsourced the body removal. HOw much money is spent on that? It probably would have been cheaper to buy the proper equipment and keep the police doing that job - not that it was pleasant, but it was quicker and probably less problems for all concerned. All you had to do was to pay the wagon guys a little more money and provide the proper equipment. Now you want to get full time civilians to process crime scenes? What can of worms does that open up? Will those hired have the capability of keeping CPD stuff separate from the rest of their stuff? How many photos will be taken? How long of a wait for response? Or, will they only respond to shootings, homicides, and police shootings? And let's not forget testifying in court? How much money will be spent there? I hope to stay around long enough to see that fiasco.... Waiting on a crime scene for a civilian et to show up... what will happen when one of them is hurt or killed?
Hey SCC off topic: Thoughts and prayers go out to P.O. Michael Daliege, retired just this last month from 012 (forced out). Worked there pretty much his whole career as a patrolman. Over 40 years on the job. Still worked the 06 car at 62 years of age. Passed away 10 OCT 2012. R.I.P. Office
Tonight, Channel 7 reported that, "In December, FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY-SEVEN new graduates of the police academy will hit the streets when they are sworn in."
FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY SEVEN new graduates of the police academy???
Does the media EVER fact-check? That number is about four hundred too high, channel 7.
They will not have to be residents of the city like the 111 black firefighters .I just found out they do not have to live in the city until graduation day. Such bull shit
Anonymous said...
O.T. Sgt.'s contract is close to being done. 2% raise per each year of the contract. And in exchange for everything else remaining the same, they are going to a voucher system for uniforms... No more uniform allowance checks.
10/10/2012 12:30:00 PM
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I knew that bastard Jimmy A. would sell us down the river. I wonder what he got out of this?
He was one of the biggest defenders of John P. WTF Jimmy? I knew you were never the police, but why EFF over your brothers?
The criminal-political powers that be are stuck on stupid...
"Chicago has more Police per capita than any other city."
So... You're going to reduce CPD to wearing coolie hats, flip-flops and black pajamas?
HI-YAAHHH! *Boom Goes The Satchel Charge & Other Acts of Mayhem*
Wait... That's actually kind of amusing in a twisted way but later for that.
If the powers that be were smart, they should be on their naked knees in gratitude that Policemen have some semblance of civility and impulse control lest a LOT of muthafuckahs would be sporting really bad hair-cuts by now :^)
Meanwhile...
More spin, slippery syntax & greasy shit-talk from that little North Shore shit-ass.
Ok... Game on.
"Chicago has more of an out of control crime and lack of public safety perception problem per capita than any city in the country."
Heh... Fixed it for ya...
Ain't the English language fun?
We call it "discerning hateful intent with an equally hateful and jaundiced eye."
Heh... We earned the right to be this way.
In GOD We Trust... You rotten motherfuckers (and you DO know who you are) keep your hands where we can see 'em.
Our consultation fee is McOuttaIdeas yearly salary... Used non-sequential bills please.
Your contact person is the homeless looking guy (thanx for the "compliment" Lt., but no, we're not with the cleaning crew :^) pushing a shopping cart with a limp and two S&W .45's close at hand...
No funny business = no drama! XD
>Snicker!<
Glad to be of service...
The '85 to '87 group is basically leaving en masse.
Just wait until the '91 to '93 group start leaving...
People aren't staying longer than they have to and it seems a good amount of the people hired on were "second career" people in their late 20's to early 30's are going to go at 20 and some change and early 50's just to get a pension and get out of Chicago.
That buzz about 3200 people being eligible to drop papers is actually closer to 4000+
That's why flaming tutu wants to hurry up and increase the minimum retirement age... Too many people getting away too soon to suit him.
All about maximizing "efficiencies." Fuck you wanting to have a little extra time for yourself and your family.
What's with this whispering of attaching a "fee/tax" to your pension if you move out of the city and state?
Don't they know when to say when?
Why would anyone want to work for this crappy department???? Shitty leadership, as you can see this blog puts a spotlight on this issue. Shitty pay, you must live in this shitty overpriced city. Shitty pension, rookies will be lucky if they have a pension. Shitty equipment, if you don't believe me just go to some of the police stations and talk to the rank and file. Shitty schools for the kiddies, just talk to the CPS teachers. I could go on, do yourself a favor, don't join this circus.
"with the idea of outsourcing the ET and Crime Lab jobs, if the city thinks it will save money"
Yeah, that's what I want, a random civilian investigating my shooting incident.
Because they've let crime lab go so long without putting anyone in there, at least half the time it's an ET doing crime lab work.
Great. Outsiders investigating police shootings.
"Does the media EVER fact-check?"
No. They believe whatever's in the press release!
Try it sometime. They're dumb.
10/10/2012 09:22:00 AM
At least he made it through her gauntlet of reasons why to dump military/police family off the list. She has resorted to just making up reasons without any supporting facts. She dumped a coppers kid off the list and he was told first it was psyc. Then it was lie detector and now she is saying drug test. No appeal, no proof that he failed other than her flapping gums. And wea re suppose to trust her...please.
10/10/2012 04:32:00 PM
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There is and always has been an appeal process.
1). Write letter of appeal to Human Resources -
1 copy to Ladner's office
1 copy to HR at City Hall
2). Write letter of appeal to the Chicago Police Board.
3). Hire an Attorney from the Law Firm of Edward Burke.
One of those three will get you a second chance.
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Hey SCC off topic: Thoughts and prayers go out to P.O. Michael Daliege, retired just this last month from 012 (forced out). Worked there pretty much his whole career as a patrolman. Over 40 years on the job. Still worked the 06 car at 62 years of age. Passed away 10 OCT 2012. R.I.P. Office
10/10/2012 07:01:00 PM"
There's a cautionary tale if I ever saw one. Reminds me of Al Kohl a footman in 014, same thing 40 years & died a month after retirement. Well @ least he has a honorary street sign.
"Don't stop there, retired guys under 63 ought to be allowed to take it.
10/10/2012 09:45:00 AM"
What part of "Retirement" have you failed to grasp?
I hate to tell readers this, but the CPI (Rate of Inflation) from the US Department of Labor is running from 1.2 to 1.5% for fiscal year 2012. Realistically, the Chicago Region will finish the whole calendar year concerning CPI at approx. from 1.6 to 1.8%. The Sgts.' deal in terms of economics sounds about right, contingent no other give backs were given.
if I am not mistaken, there were 2800 hired of the 1991 test ....
In the future attrition wont be what it has been. Po's will stay on longer especially if the health care for retirees is stopped along with the 10 year COLA freeze Rahm has suggested and is using as his cornerstone for pension reform. Thats not to mention the 55 year old free health care, thats to be negotiatd in the contract
Just saying
One more retirement here. Tuesday was my last day. No more, done, finished, it's all over.
Congratulations and thank you for your service.
For every one day, you miss it, there will be 100 more that you will be glad you left. However, it will always be in your heart and soul.
You made it to the finish line - Enjoy!
Retired and miss it one out of every 100 days
13,000??? Didn't they establish the number was much less at the recent budget meeting with the city council?
Emanuel won't find the money until he "reforms" (diminishes) the pension.
Walter’s Perspective: Mayor Needs To Find The Cash For More Cops
The talk in Chicago is we need more cops. The murder rate is up, the number of cops is down to about 13,000, trying to protect three million people.
But to hire 1,000 more cops, the mayor will need about $50 million, and he says he doesn’t have it, that he cannot find $50 million in his new city budget of $8 billion,
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/10/11/walters-perspective-mayor-needs-to-find-the-cash-for-more-cops/
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*** Bias Hiring from the Department of Human resources ***
Good Afternoon,
I wanted to take a minute to reach out to all of the men and women on this site who are currently Chicago Police and have childeren and/or friends who have been disqualified from the 2010 CPD list due to a "failed" psyc exam or other bias reasoning.
My father is a decorated CPD Sgt who has been on the job for 30+ years. I passed all testing, including my 2nd power test and was then told that I had "undesirable" psyc results and was given no explination of what "undesirable" is defined as.
It has been brought to our attention that HR along with the company performing the psyc exam has been dumping friends and family of the CPD as well as messing with military and different races in order to keep quotas.
If this applies to you or your children/friends please email me at CPDappeal@gmail.com. I am working on the beginings of a class action law suit against the City of Chicago. It is time to even out this playing field.
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