Just Asking, But...
Isn't a "Code of Silence" when everyone shuts up about a misstep, misdeed, or misconduct?
How can anyone in the media seriously portray this as a code of silence when they play the tape every five minutes, the "cover-up" involves hundreds of phone calls and other city employees, and the plaintiff's lawyer is the one who released the tape in the first place?
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
56 Comments:
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I believe the abbate subject should be left alone, not covered at all, zero exposure. The more you talk about it the more it sounds like we, as aforce, have to explain it. And it was just his doing no one wales. Fuck hom, he gambled on his future and lost. Lesson to be learned, no one in this city government, state or federal is gonna give a copper a brake, so don't give the a reason or satisfaction to put you in the same boat.
I had the honor of working with the officers who responded to this job. Honestly, these are two of the most dedicated, conscientious, hard-working individuals to ever wear the uniform. Ask anyone in the 25th District. And anyone who has done this job the way it is suppose to be done, can relate to the way some incidents spin out of control, and take on a life of their own. To those of you out there who think this was a cover up, let me assure you, it was not. P.M. and J.K. are as straight-arrow as they come. If I ever need the police, I hope they are the guys who show up. Rick Sherman, late of the 25th District.
Where is the original, undedited tape? The first few times I saw it on various news outlets, the 'victim' was romping around at the end, pumping her arms like Rocky and laughing and jumping up and down. Where is the whole tape?
How does his lawyer not tell him to lose the handlebar goatee and cut his hair so he doesn't look like such a W/T scumbag? Perception is everything. Remember the magical transformation of Ligue after the Sox arrest?
Eh fuck it, squad give me a bus check.
Rumor is Debbie kirby is involved in the abate coverup......haha lady all the evil u did to many others is going to cost u Ur job and hopefully Ur pension.the media has u cornered and a lot of my pals will give them lots of info on u.
SCC asks:
"How can anyone in the media seriously portray this as a code of silence"
I say, who takes anyone in the "Media" seriously anymore anyway?
Don't believe the hype the lawyer that is!
You forgot mention leaving his last name, his CPD status and the existence of the tape off the reports while hustling him out the back door. No biggie.
They need to change the chief in IAD he has been there to long,I guess he is trying to wait out supt by keeping under the radar
The only 'code of silence', especially in this instance, was between whatever bosses tried to protect his skunky ass.
Abbatte is a pig. Plain and simple. I hope he doesn't have kids.
I saw this drunken clown Abbate just yesterday at a drinking establishment that will remain unnamed. He was watching the news coverage of himself laughing and yucking it up. After the segment was over, he bought a round and joked that he'd sign autographs for shots of Patron - he said the autograph will be worth a ton after he beats the case, and that people would buy shit like that on Ebay. This a**hole actually thinks he a celebrity!!!! I dropped an email to Chuck Goudy as soon as I got home, maybe he'll do an investigation and catch this mope in all his glory bragging how he's going to "beat his case". I swear I wanted to puke watching him.
A classic case of deflecting. Keep your eye on the responsible target and for once don't throw the lambs to the wolves.
I know a lot of CPD officers, my old man and his friends. This guy is not an example of what CPD is about. How he got the job is a mystery. There is no need for an explanation. This guy is an ass and will go to prison.
I agree with everything Sgt Sherman stated. These 2 officers are the most honest, hard working officers I've ever met in my career.
well.... thats what was attempting to happen. The coppers who got involved with this goof screwed up big time. He made his own bed and YES you should have hung him out to dry. Fk him. I hope the coppers involved named in the lawsuit get hit punitively and take time for trying to cover up this morons actions.
The fat drunken jagoff never landed a punch. They all missed her head. She bounces right up and is yelling at him. She did not go to a hospital until a couple days later. He was named on the case report as the offender. He was arrested by CPD. He was charged appropriately with a misdemeanor after CPD consulted the states attorney. The charges were upgraded to felony after her attorney released the video to the media. A judge and the states attorneys office agreed to a plea of guilty to a charge of simple battery.
30 seconds that changed the world.
off topic: So sick of the pussies that are scared to work if they think it will be busy so they take off, quit if your scared to do the job, and the pussies who ask for some soft spot because partner is off, you work your fucking car pussy, they will put someone else on it with you. And the desk crew caters to these pussies requests, taking care of them like little babies. Your the police act like it.
If Abbate beats the case will the Polish community riot?
And are we ready?
To 12:37 AM,
While I would completely disagree with you about the dedicated and hard working adjectives you used about these officers, because they are neither dedicated or hardworking, I would completely agree that a coverup was the farthest thing from their minds on that night. They got railroaded plain and simple.
Who cares!
I had the honor of working with the officers who responded to this job. Honestly, these are two of the most dedicated, conscientious, hard-working individuals to ever wear the uniform. Ask anyone in the 25th District. And anyone who has done this job the way it is suppose to be done, can relate to the way some incidents spin out of control, and take on a life of their own. To those of you out there who think this was a cover up, let me assure you, it was not. P.M. and J.K. are as straight-arrow as they come. If I ever need the police, I hope they are the guys who show up. Rick Sherman, late of the 25th District.
10/23/2012 12:37:00 AM
Youre kidding right? Dont tell us how upstanding they are when they didnt put that jagoffs name in the offender box because, "they wanted to leave it to the dicks." THEY made a conscious choice to make us all look like criminals. 30 days wasnt enough to remove the stain they put on us all...
Where is the original, undedited tape? The first few times I saw it on various news outlets, the 'victim' was romping around at the end, pumping her arms like Rocky and laughing and jumping up and down. Where is the whole tape?
10/23/2012 12:41:00 AM
How can you type that with a straight face? You sound like an imbecile attacking the victim. Were you a political hire?
This guy is an ass and will go to prison.
No he won't - this is a civil trial. Criminally, he already got two years probation.
Anonymous said...
Where is the original, undedited tape? The first few times I saw it on various news outlets, the 'victim' was romping around at the end, pumping her arms like Rocky and laughing and jumping up and down. Where is the whole tape?
10/23/2012 12:41:00 AM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! The full tape does not make for a good story. The media learned this during Rodney King. They never showed the full video but when the jury saw it they acquitted the Officers. The feds had to sacrifice 2 of the officers to satisfy the "community"
he was a fat piece of shit that gave the department a bad name, be a drunk loser now without a badge.
Anonymous said...
off topic: So sick of the pussies that are scared to work if they think it will be busy so they take off, quit if your scared to do the job, and the pussies who ask for some soft spot because partner is off, you work your fucking car pussy, they will put someone else on it with you. And the desk crew caters to these pussies requests, taking care of them like little babies. Your the police act like it.
10/23/2012 01:15:00 PM
Haha You are so right, it's a every week thing here, same people Lol so sad, so sad
Anonymous said...
I saw this drunken clown Abbate just yesterday at a drinking establishment that will remain unnamed. He was watching the news coverage of himself laughing and yucking it up. After the segment was over, he bought a round and joked that he'd sign autographs for shots of Patron - he said the autograph will be worth a ton after he beats the case, and that people would buy shit like that on Ebay. This a**hole actually thinks he a celebrity!!!! I dropped an email to Chuck Goudy as soon as I got home, maybe he'll do an investigation and catch this mope in all his glory bragging how he's going to "beat his case". I swear I wanted to puke watching him.
10/23/2012 09:50:00 AM
You should have knocked his ass off the barstool. I don't know why you wouldn't name the bar, or at least its location.
I had the good fortune to work with J.K. and P.M. (25th district 3rd watch). I was a p.p.o. six years ago. With some officers, they took shortcuts. I wanted to speak up but it would make matters worse. (some idiot glued my locker shut and with black electric tape covered my lock completely. Plus they did other things.). So I kept my mouth shut. Then finally one day I worked with J.K. and then the next day I worked with P.M. Let me tell you, both of them are fine dedicated officers. Both of them place extreme care and precision when they are assigned jobs. I learned a lot from both of them. They are both model employees.
Anonymous said...
If Abbate beats the case will the Polish community riot?
And are we ready?
10/23/2012 01:22:00 PM
Now why isn't Abaate's case being given to the US Attorney and the FBI for civil rights violations like Cozzi was? If Cozzi got 4 years, Abaate ought to get 20 years.
Anonymous said...
If Abbate beats the case will the Polish community riot?
And are we ready?
10/23/2012 01:22:00 PM
Can't stop laughing!
You put two police officers, partners for years, in a squad car and you can't decide on where to go to lunch. Getting numerous officers to "cover up" for a piece of shit like Abate, let alone anyone else, would be a miracle.
Isn't this getting a little stupid already?
Dear God, can U imagine a Polish Riot? 99 unit on a single file line.
REASON #34 TO QUIT THIS JOB AND LEAVE CHICAGO.
CHA-CHING, CHA-CHING..
" Black Chicago firefighter discrimination lawsuit tab twice as high as expected. Almost $80 MILLION DOLLARS of our tax money pissed away"
Don't worry though... Mayor Rahm says he'll just borrow the money to pay for it. It's all good.
What's that? OH HELL NAW, are you retarded? The $55 million dollar Maggie Daley Park money is safe. We can't touch that. Just borrow more, put it on the taxpayers credit card and use the debt as a crisis later for social health care and pension cuts and tax rate increases.
You peoples have to learn to live within your means and stop going nuts with these entitlements that you worked for and earned.
F--k your healthcare bills getting paid LOOK AT THAT PARK EH? Niiice..
What kind of interest are we gonna have to offer on $80 million dollars of bonds to pay for this fiasco?
A conservative 3% interest rate is an additional $240K for the first year alone no?
In other news.
Mayor Rahm would like you all to know that:
Nokia to move 150 jobs from Itasca to Chicago office.
No he's NOT CREATING JOBS don't get excited. It's like the Motorola ordeal. They are MOVING JOBS. There will be no opportunities created but we can add these to the number of jobs created or SAVED like it means something to the working class joe.
Losing $80 million dollars due to the clouted political frauds far outweighs the lousy 150 jobs being moved and presented like they're a huge boom to Chicago's economy.
Gonna have to raise that cigarette tax again at the rate the Downtown Tower of Bullshit is pissing money away.
Check out the list.
$80 million for the Black fire fighter discrimination lawsuit.
Another $100 million I think it was for that mentally ill girl that was busted at Midway Airport then released in the hood wearing provocative clothing, ending up raped, kidnapped, and thrown out of the 7th floor of a housing project window who now is a vegetable. Yeah the downtown Tower of Bullshit still has that gag order in place to keep from people talking about it while they try to scam and delay the victim out of any money.
Then we have the 90 occupiers that were busted on park curfews currently under appeal.
All this shit because of political ego's. Thinking that they can make up the laws and twist the language to do as they please. The clout!
It's about time the city write up some more crap laws to challenge the US constitution so that we can throw even more money into lawsuits and courts don't you think? How about some more gun regulations or something?
Well here it is... off topic. The department has gotten word from the Secret Service and the FBI that there are viable threats that if Obama looses this election there will be mass rioting in the ghettos of Chicago and every other major city... Why the secret service and FBI had to give a report about this is beyond me... I probably could have told you that... anyways thats not the point. We already know time off is restricted for election night but now downtown is putting together a plan because of this government briefing. Word is that all tac teams, incident teams and units will be working nights that night. Days off will be cancelled if your in a unit however, if your in a unit and you ARE currently on furlough then you are safe.. They will not be attempting to mess with anyone on furlough... I dont think they could anyways. Nothing really new here that days are cancelled and everyone working nights but the NATO gas teams will also be up but on standbye with teams stationed on the west and south sides. Its not official yet, but im just writing this for anyone who might be rdo and is on a team or unit and have plans that day to plan accordingly. Look for the order to come out Nov 1st.. Nothing like last minute. Im predicting that if Obama does loose it will be a pretty good night for looting. Some suburbs are already being asked for support units like in 2008 election. If I hear anything else I will pass it along. If the sh*t does hit the fan that night and your in the ghetto dont be a hero... let it burn, then clean it up after.. be safe boys and girls.
Please...
Out this assclown's clout!
Who WAS his sponsor?
What the fuck happened during his backgound investigation?
Who in the Department hierarchy gave the order for the background investigators to look the other way especially when he was known to have stepped on his pee-pee real hard befor coming on the job?
Who in the Department hierarchy hand carried his file through every step of the hiring process?
Did some of the "dese dem an' dose" guys from the trades reach out to a friendly alderfool or friendly gold star?
"Who sent ya?"
*Johnny Rat-A-Tat an' Joey Bagadonuts sez hey*
"When can ya start?"
Jeez... Clouting in nitwits better suited to clean the shit-shacks in the forest preserves is what has fucked this job up.
Race to the fucking bottom with a ball & chain clamped to our ankles...
And what finally happens when decent and honorable men feel no desire to take this job? Such as what is happening now?
We observed that there seem to be a serious decline in native Chicago sons cut from the tough, rough and strong cloth of real men.
"You Cops are just mad it isn't 1960 anymore."
Why do people take such delight in selling Policemen short?
It's much more complex than "1960" damnit.
Leroy Martin once said that Policemen "don't fall from the sky."
Heh... Smartest and most insightful thing he's ever said but that's beside the point. Besides, somebody surely spotted ol' Leroy the first four words and cued him on the last one...
We're enduring a propaganda war in the midst of a contract negotiation in whice VERY POWERFUL FORCES are seeking to destroy our ability to bargain collectively, perpetrate wholesale diversion of our pension fund because it's a "free" pot of money beyond THEIR CONTROL and the very notion of such is driving THEM crazy. That, and walking us backwards to circa 1880 in regard to compensation, equipment, work environment and officer safety.
*Nobody sayin' shit about Police stations that are noted & notorious cancer & upper respiratory ailment clusters and why Policemen die relatively young in the first place*
*Crickets at 3510 S. Michigan*
*Crickets at 111 N. LaSalle*
As much as we collectively wished people would cease and desist doing stupid shit?
As long as the human element is involved (as it is in every other field) there exists the possibility that something stupid WILL be done by someone.
"You Cops are always doing..."
And for you joyful haters and shit-talkers enjoying the mean season against The Police?
Once the classic iteration of CPD is finally done away with and privatization has air and opportunity to make ugly babies with the possible invocation of the nth degree interpretation of "home rule," the hell to be paid will be paid by you.
>Happening Right Now... <
*Off-The-Air Tone. Test Pattern With A Crying War Chief Astride A Horse Skeleton*
On every channel...
Of course you'll be too busy cheering and flinging confetti as what's left of us are marched off to Gulag Amerikana...
35th street bean counter The opposite of win is LOSE not LOOSE
Where is the original, undedited tape? The first few times I saw it on various news outlets, the 'victim' was romping around at the end, pumping her arms like Rocky and laughing and jumping up and down. Where is the whole tape?
10/23/2012 12:41:00 AM
How can you type that with a straight face? You sound like an imbecile attacking the victim. Were you a political hire?
10/23/2012 03:32:00 PM
So, I sound like an imbecile because I am relating the truth? And, how, precisely, did I 'attack' the victim by relating exactly what was shown on the tape?
Abbatte on news again today. Rahm asked about whether a 'code of silence' exists--completely sidestepped the question. How about saying something positive you jackass! Your silence is deafening!
They really meant the song "Code of Silence" being sung by the Vienna Boys Choir whilst taking steroids and crystal meth. Get your facts straight, and how's the tractor reports going.
2 thoughts relating to Abbate
G.O. requires Field Lieutenant to respond to every incident inside a licensed premise.
G.O. indicates excessive force complaints are investigated by OPS not IAD.
Who was the field lieutenant? Why was Deborah Kirby involved and not Lori Lightfoot?
More Phil Cline cover up BS!
I saw this drunken clown Abbate just yesterday at a drinking establishment that will remain unnamed.
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Stay out of bars pal.
Drink in your basement like I do.
You'll save money and possibly save your job because of it.
Anonymous said...
I agree with everything Sgt Sherman stated. These 2 officers are the most honest, hard working officers I've ever met in my career.
10/23/2012 11:04:00 AM
Agreed.
I'd also ad that whatever nasty things you want to say about Kirby, it is ridiculous to say that SHE tried to cover this up by not seeking Felony charges. Just ridiculous. That is 100% on the State's Attorney office. Kirby blew her top when the video of IAD people arresting this jagoff showed him getting into an unmarked, uncuffed. Pretty sure the Sergeant on scene was personally dressed down by both her and Dana Starks who was Interim Supe when the arrest was made.
Anonymous said...
I saw this drunken clown Abbate just yesterday at a drinking establishment that will remain unnamed. He was watching the news coverage of himself laughing and yucking it up. After the segment was over, he bought a round and joked that he'd sign autographs for shots of Patron - he said the autograph will be worth a ton after he beats the case, and that people would buy shit like that on Ebay. This a**hole actually thinks he a celebrity!!!! I dropped an email to Chuck Goudy as soon as I got home, maybe he'll do an investigation and catch this mope in all his glory bragging how he's going to "beat his case". I swear I wanted to puke watching him.
10/23/2012 09:50:00 AM
I saw this prize package around the neighborhood coming out of the cigar shop on Naragansett/Montrose. He had the vanity plate ABBATE on his motorcycle along with a FOP sticker. I was patronizing an adjoining business when I spotted him out and about.
I have family members that are CPD and was incensed to see him displaying the FOP sticker. Clouted scumbag.
Where is the original, undedited tape? The first few times I saw it on various news outlets, the 'victim' was romping around at the end, pumping her arms like Rocky and laughing and jumping up and down. Where is the whole tape?
10/23/2012 12:41:00 AM
How can you type that with a straight face? You sound like an imbecile attacking the victim. Were you a political hire?
10/23/2012 03:32:00 PM
So, I sound like an imbecile because I am relating the truth? And, how, precisely, did I 'attack' the victim by relating exactly what was shown on the tape?
Fuck you Fatbate, nice try though.
PM and JK might be straight as an arrow, but they took 30 days for this and the arbitrator did not overturn the suspension. It does not look good and their work on this one incident does not look goof.
His old man was no prize either. Looked like John Gacy...
Anonymous said...
If Abbate beats the case will the Polish community riot?
And are we ready?
10/23/2012 01:22:00 PM
Can't stop laughing!
10/23/2012 04:43:00 PM
I hear that when they riot, they go to the elctronice store, steal the windows and break the valuables...yukyuk
To those of you out there who think this was a cover up, let me assure you, it was not. P.M. and J.K. are as straight-arrow as they come.
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Sounds a little flustered on the stand, if you ask me.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/15920888-418/ex-cop-in-videotaped-beating-of-barmaid-says-he-had-bad-day.html
And if everything was on the up and up with him, why did he receive a 30 day suspension for the report he wrote?
There was an effort to try and quiet this whole incident up, and it failed.
And now that bartender is going to be a wealthy woman soon.
Anonymous said...
2 thoughts relating to Abbate
G.O. requires Field Lieutenant to respond to every incident inside a licensed premise.
G.O. indicates excessive force complaints are investigated by OPS not IAD.
Who was the field lieutenant? Why was Deborah Kirby involved and not Lori Lightfoot?
More Phil Cline cover up BS!
10/24/2012 08:13:00 AM
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excessive force? you are calling this excessive force?
Anonymous said...
You put two police officers, partners for years, in a squad car and you can't decide on where to go to lunch. Getting numerous officers to "cover up" for a piece of shit like Abate, let alone anyone else, would be a miracle.
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I myself have said the exact thing numerous times over the years. Think I started saying it during the OJ trial!
If there was a cover up why was he charged with a felony, who in the fuck was ever charged with a felony for a bar fight.
nobody would cover up for him
Anonymous said...
I agree with everything Sgt Sherman stated. These 2 officers are the most honest, hard working officers I've ever met in my career.
10/23/2012 11:04:00 AM
Agreed.
I'd also ad that whatever nasty things you want to say about Kirby, it is ridiculous to say that SHE tried to cover this up by not seeking Felony charges. Just ridiculous. That is 100% on the State's Attorney office. Kirby blew her top when the video of IAD people arresting this jagoff showed him getting into an unmarked, uncuffed. Pretty sure the Sergeant on scene was personally dressed down by both her and Dana Starks who was Interim Supe when the arrest was made.
10/24/2012 09:51:00 AM
Would this be the same Kirby who let an accused officer walk out of the station with a suspicious briefcase while he was under investigation and she was supposed to be 'watching' him? That Kirby?
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