Thorough Investigation
Remember that Vanecko investigation? How thorough it was and how all the bases were covered? How there wasn't even the hint of a political bent to the investigation? Guess what turned up after 8 years?
- Security surveillance video has turned up showing David Koschman a few hours before his drunken 2004 encounter with Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko, the nephew of then-Mayor Richard M. Daley who’s charged with killing the 21-year-old Mount Prospect man, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.
Last year, Ronald E. Yawger — originally the lead detective on Koschman’s homicide case — told the Sun-Times he was unaware any video existed. And the Chicago Police Department denied the newspaper’s request for video in March 2011 without explanation, neither confirming nor denying whether the police ever sought or found any tapes.
But now sources say investigators for special prosecutor Dan K. Webb have obtained a video showing Koschman and four of his friends entering and leaving a Division Street bar in the Rush Street nightlife district.
But this was "handled" appropriately at the time. Give us a fucking break. This is going to drag a whole bunch of people through the wringer.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Fuck all the detectives and bosses that covered this.can you say "bye bye pension".
Hiram Grau
Well, some of Cline's Merit picks and Command selections suddenly make sense. Oops!
Personally, I liked the guy, but every single merit promotion he made, especially the sergeants, have been absolute disasters!!! Completely useless deadweight in every good unit left. So many, many screw ups and cover ups because of these incompetent people taking up spots that need qualified supervisors/investigators. Instead, we have years of absolute dogs getting away with ghost pay rolling, company cars and gross incompetence. Thanks for your legacy Phil. Time to pay the piper.
I never had clout.I was a court whore and worked special.I bought property.a whole bunch of it.my clout is my pension and over 20 properties that I have.I made it a point to have more than any dirty Ass exempt.I wanted to fuck the city for a pension that's why I stayed.and now I'm delighted to see the vanecko crew sweating.....yes sir sir.
Hey, Sun Times! I don't get it. Where the fuck were you 8 years ago? Why is that you didn't push this story then when Uncle Richie was Mayor? Were you trying to protect Uncle Richie's family, too?
I mean really, how come all of a sudden this shit come to light and you didn't bring it up before?
Not only do I smell a rat among the connected in the police department, I smell a rat in your newspaper. Apparently, now that Uncle Richie is out of office you break the case!?!? You are just as bad as the people you are trying to report on.
You and all of the other news outlets throw softballs at these politicians while they are in office, unless one of them steps on their dick in a big fashion and all of your politicos who back you decide to send one of their own up the river.
What a bunch of bullshit reporting and investigating.
Are you serious SCC? There is no video of the incident just a video from 3-4 hrs before which really has zero bearing n the case except to establish what everyone knows already, the kid who died was out drinking. Where's the big story? Monday morning qb, should the detectives have gotten video of the ihop where he had breakfast the morning before c'mon realize the truth no cover ups by the detectives, I have no clue about the gold stars but I know the detectives DID NOT cover this up. Remember crap slides down hill, don't start at the bottom looking for answers, aim higher you will hit something
O.t. in 013 today more than half the cars down due to no manpower, yet still 3 p.o.s inside with a sgt. Selling useless crap to the yuppies before we close. You wonder why morale sucks. That's got to be the worse management of manpower ive ever seen.
and a person shot in 016. retards keep working your but off in the ghetto
Good it should fuck everybody who covered this up, and yes I am on the job
Just have Rahm whip-out some more of his eraser money like the eight hundred and something thousand dollars already pissed away on corruption and clout.
Hey if he takes the money out of the corporate donations it's not like it's tax dollars and you don't have to be accountable to anyone for it, right? Those funds are like the skipped pension payments no-one will be held accountable. Instead we'll label the theft as a "reform" because the unions are greedy and lazy and want something for nothing.
Money makes it all alright in Chicago. Ask the banks. Ask the politicians. Ask the clouted ones and the corporations.
Snitches Get Stitches should be the new slogan on the city seal.
i just heard mclovin had a coniption at the last compstat meeting? yelled and threw the microphone on the floor and walked out? true or not? anyone?
Intentional? Or incompetence? Either way, CPD looks bad. Justice for David Koschman was delayed far too long, regardless of the reason.
Turn up the heat!! Can't wait for the show to begin! Those rotten assholes! Let everyone involved in this cover up rot in hell!
Why didn't the mother sue? If an off-duty Officer tried to silence her or intimidate her she should have told/called somebody Mt. Prospect Police, FBI or an attorney.
But this was "handled" appropriately at the time. Give us a fucking break. This is going to drag a whole bunch of people through the wringer.
This may be true, but remember, these very same tried to protect "The King", Almighty Shortshanks...
Now that Shortshanks aint around... guess who's going to protect them?
ex-mayor/king of the realm "shortshanks" demanded & got complete loyalty from all of his minions regardless of any possible consequences. Just look at the people who got thrown under the bus and ended up in prison rather than tell the truth !
Crack open another Wild Irish Rose bottle little ricky, you may have lotsa splainin' to do !!!
AMAZING!!!
What kind of wizardry does Dan Webb and his team of investigators utilize?
Did they actually talk to bar owners and/or employees?
Whoda thunkit?
It's also interesting that retired detective Yawger ended up working for the Attorney General's office.
Whoda thunkit?
This case is just a barrel of coincidences and "whoda thunkits".
Is anyone else hearing banjo music in the background besides me?
Indictments pending
This isn't a cover up; it was handled by Area 3 detectives. You could have had six sober, independent witnesses, the incident caught on seventeen camera angles and on-viewed by a policeman, and it still may have been shot down. The real question is: was this another case of ineptitude or laziness, that still persists in Area 3 today?
It was so outlandish a coverup when it went down...jokes were made about how many were going to get good spots/promoted for helping Daleys nephew...it worked despite the risks, some fools will now pay the piper. Me, I am only worried how much money this ones going to cost us straight guys when the lawsuit hits. I am also glad this kids mother gets a little peace of mind, she deserved better from CPD
And some Detectives and Sergeants will get slammed and the bosses that pulled the strings will get moved or promoted...It's fair....
It's a no brainer! No boss would ever fuck with a Daley family member. HE WAS THE MAYOR! We know and the special Pros. Knows it for sure! This city is known around the world for corruption. So why would anyone believe there wasn't a cover up involving the king of corrution, Daley? Also, I may be wrong, but did I read somewhere that one of the Det.'s now works in the entertainment business in California with Vanenko? Also heard that Vanenko was able to change his appearence for line-ups. True or BS?
this case comes along when the city is trying to negate the "code of silence" jury verdict in the abbatte case--- how about a code of silence conspiracy in regards to the koschman case-- I hope you bunch of daley errand boys get phucked for trying to bury this case....
and it should.
I sincerely...SINCERELY...hope ANY asshole that did anything to keep this case from proceeding as it rightfully should have loses everything they have and does a stint in the slammer.
This could be groundbreaking in terms of exposing just how rampant and thru how many different channels corruption runs thru this town if you have the right name or heavy enough phone call.
Yawger better be the first one to take the free bus ticket from the special prosecutor or the Feds, whoever ends up with this case, or he's going to be the first one thrown under it.
I'm guessing the outcome of any investigation will be that no one at the top will face any consequences, just the ones at the bottom who took orders from the top.
Hopefully Yawger is in Hawaii or something.
Just goes to show you, shit you might have done years ago can come back to haunt you in the worst way. I'm not saying he did anything wrong--just by doing your job, if someone raises questions years later, you're still in the buses headlights.
Another job hazard we all face.
Good luck to all the coppers who had their name on any paper---but if they WERE involved in any kind of coverup, F*ck you. Although I do understand the pressure to do what you're told--and exactly where do you go if you're pressured to do something? Corrupt IAD? When the Mayo is holding the spoon, you're just part of the stinking stew he's stirring.
Electronic records do not disappear.On the face they can appear to say one thing but in the bowels they always remain of themainframe.
Every time a report is submitted to CLEAR/CHRIS in preliminary it is saved forever and when it is brought up and reviewed and modified both versions remain along with the id# of the individual who brought it up.
I would guess that the exempt members who had knowledge of this investigation and oversaw same will be sweating.
Commander Chasen is the individual who should start sweating as his id# should be all over these reports and he can give those up above him.
But those who know Cline can easily believe that he was the individual calling the shots!
Cline gave us the policies that led to:
Weems
SOS-Finnegan
Abbate
Koschman
002-Narcotcs
Jefferson Tap
His policies led to CPD being led by the likes of Weis and McCarthy owith the alternative being taken over , such as DOJ just did to Oakland PD.
Perjury is a felony, conviction of a felony could lead to the lose of one's pension. All involved should recall this.
Honesty is the only policy. Lies, deceptions, and half-truths will cause you no end of grief and trouble.
OK--they entered a bar and left a bar.
Shows what?????
O/T: Anybody hear the interview with John Cappas--of southside drug dealing infamy back in the '80s-- on WGN radio promoting his self published memoir? It's pathetic that anybody is giving him the time of day. What about all the lives ruined, especially those of the two coppers whose sons committed suicide because they were indebted to this drug gang. Even the federal judge that sentenced him to 45 years drank the kool aid, as evidenced by the glowing epilogue to the book he wrote. Don't buy the book and don't patronize this convicted violent felon's hot dog stand in Markham!
Anita insists NONE of the dicks handling the case knew Vanecko was related to Daley. If she says it, it must be true...
From a troll: CPD has the most difficult and dangerous job in the city and you do not get enough support. But as a citizen I would recommend that you never compromise your moral character, what you know is right and what you know is wrong when some shithead tells you or you find out he or she is connected to some asshole politican or otherwise infludential person looking to be not held accountable for their actions. This character and duty of a law officer is what makes each of you different from people like me. It is easy for me to sit here and type it I know. But this Vanecko case is really a most agregious violation of the duty of any law officer. And I suspect Yawger is just a bit player here, given a part he never wanted. This case brings a stink to the command of the CPD, the Mayors office, the SA office and the court system. And folks, it will stink all of the above again, now as a number of people try to figure out what to do next. My suggestion, assemble a case and get his narrow behind charged and lets see what a jury decides. If he takes a bench trial, let us just see who is the Judge. But in any case, there needs to be justice for this kid and his mother. He did not just fall to his death from a curb.
Are you serious SCC? There is no video of the incident just a video from 3-4 hrs before which really has zero bearing n the case except to establish what everyone knows already, the kid who died was out drinking. Where's the big story? Monday morning qb, should the detectives have gotten video of the ihop where he had breakfast the morning before c'mon realize the truth no cover ups by the detectives, I have no clue about the gold stars but I know the detectives DID NOT cover this up. Remember crap slides down hill, don't start at the bottom looking for answers, aim higher you will hit something
Seriously? You do know the lead detective claims he was unaware of the existence of any video and the Department refused an FOIA request by the media? And then Webb finds video within 3 hours of the manslaughter? Howe many other videos might be out there waiting to expose the piss-poor investigation? How is that going to play in Peoria? Or in front of a federal jury from Peoria? You do know that Federal juries are drawn from all over the midwest, right?
And Koschman didn't die drinking - he died from a punch, a willful action that caused harm. And everyone else who was there denied knowing who threw the punch for weeks. And files disappeared. And excuses were made, not by the suspect, but by investigating parties including the States Attorneys office.
Try wrapping your head around this one - a hearing 8 years ago would probably cleared Vanecko of wrongdoing and he would have gotten probation for manslaughter or battery or something else based on who he is. But this desperate effort to hide shit for what was a couple of drunks pushing and shoving and punching makes everything look suspicious, even sinister.
If you can't see that the Department is going to get hammered (once again) for the actions of the clouted and their political masters, then you're blind. Willfully so.
Off Note: I am happy to say I am done with my Christmas shopping. I am proud to say that I bought a lot for my family cause of the OT and I did not buy one present in the City.
No comment yet from dat Former Mayor. Can't wait for the creation of the Maggie Daley Park. Hope there's wildings, muggings, robberies galore. I will personally be littering it with my fast food wrappers and beer cans every opportunity that I get.
Code of silence?
Webb needs to get a deposition from Hiram Grau, not only on the CPD cover up but on the states attorney coverup and the refusal of the ISP to investigate after he got the director spot there.
Goober of Mayberry 'sez, " sur-prize, sur-prize "!
The so called MSM has become nothing but press-titutes, with NO credibility or ethics, not to be trusted or believed.
My only source of news is the alternate media such as SCC, Drudge, White House Dossier, etc.
Never listen or read their propaganda or misinformation.
Scc, you are an idiot! What bearing does video from three hours before the incident have on anything? Back stabbing your fellow officers to score points against a Daley relative. Nice.
Anonymous said...
Hiram Grau
12/09/2012 12:12:00 AM
No doubt! He's a clout baby. How is it he's been involved in three agencies tasked with investigating this incident and each one bumbles the investigation or refuses to investigate???? Glad the ISP has him now.
Seriously SCC, The lead detective was unaware of any video of the INCIDENT because there isn't one. Webb finds a video from many hours before the incident( and ill repeat myself because you don't comprehend apparently) which shows what YOU know already that the victim was drinking. I never said the victim died from drinking. I've wrote this on the blog since day 1 There is no eyewitnesses, no video of the incident, no physical evidence and no confession of the offender and here is where you don't seem to understand because you have a hardon about detectives for some reason, NO CHARGES WERE APPROVED BY FELONY REVIEW. What were the detectives supposed to do after felony review rejected charges? You claim to be a PO so you know how getting charges approved works. Could the investigation been handled better? Of course. Do I believe the detectives assigned covered this up? Of course not? Point your finger at CCSAO that's we're the blame and cover up is
OK, I think Vanecko and Daley are jag offs. And this case seems to have a bad odor around it.
But the way some of you guys immediately start throwing coppers under the bus just disgusts me. I see it time and time again. And you wonder why it is so easy for the City to push us around [as a group].
I am proud that I do a good job, but not proud of the way some of my fellow coppers treat each other.
That said, I don't care if I personally hate you - if you call for an assist or a 10-1 - my ass is gonna be there for you!
Talk about the code of silence.
I actually kind of feel bad for the guys who had to investigate this thing. They were in a tough position, no doubt getting heat from above to find some way not to charge this guy because of who he was related to.
Very, very few people have the stomach or the capability to stand up to that kind of pressure, even normally decent and honorable people. I am not saying there should be no negative consequences for their actions if they did something inappropriate, but what they might well have done is very understandable.
They will probably get thrown to the lions in a public spectacle to save others. That is the way these things usually go. The guys up the food chain almost always skate.
Not a cop.
I still say the wrong cousin is being charged
Before his drunken encounter? The news media is already laying the groundwork! The media will destroy this kid's reputation and by the time the trial is done Vanecko did the city a favor by killing him.
A video a few hours before at someplace on Rush Street? And that shows what? Why didn't the detectives get his prom photos too? Non Information media hype and you all fell for it.
SCC
You are right.
This is an embarassment and a disgrace.
To me, the case for Obstruction of Justice looks a lot more solid than the murder.
I think the odds of someone or a few being held criminally responsible for the obstruction look pretty good.
Are you serious SCC? There is no video of the incident just a video from 3-4 hrs before which really has zero bearing n the case except to establish what everyone knows already, the kid who died was out drinking. Where's the big story? Monday morning qb, should the detectives have gotten video of the ihop where he had breakfast the morning before c'mon realize the truth no cover ups by the detectives, I have no clue about the gold stars but I know the detectives DID NOT cover this up. Remember crap slides down hill, don't start at the bottom looking for answers, aim higher you will hit something
12/09/2012 12:23:00 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Yawger and all the "Special" folks in the D Unit are used to havin their asses kissed. Remember after years of being the guys and gals who call for "Approvals" they consider themselves as part of a team. While street cops are kept out of the loop even if it is a street cop who makes the initial pinch. Let's see if that bond remains when these retired mopes have to hire their own attorneys. Don't even think about a Fund Raiser for these hacks. F@%* Them!
Anonymous said...
I never had clout.I was a court whore and worked special.I bought property.a whole bunch of it.my clout is my pension and over 20 properties that I have.I made it a point to have more than any dirty Ass exempt.I wanted to fuck the city for a pension that's why I stayed.and now I'm delighted to see the vanecko crew sweating.....yes sir sir.
12/09/2012 12:15:00 AM
You are a credit to the police department. Your family must be very proud of you. I am sure everyone you knew in this department misses your smiling face. You sound like a happy, healthy individual who will live a long time.
Merry Christmas!
On a somewhat positive note, for those who were wondering:
From a Good Source:
1. Sgt test WILL happen. Looks like next year November sometime.
2. Detective test they want to so away with. Doesn't look promising.
3. SWAT - yeah right.
4. Marine Unit- (#1 clout unit) talked about but does not look good for CPD clout hacks. Talk of CFD taking over. Looking to downsize.
5. Canine/ET - ET test talked about and will happen. Looks like end of 2012. Canine will take from existing list
Hey SCC u have no clue what happened. None of these so called eyewitness ID the offender. Now after talking 2 Webb charges are brought up against the JO. They are the ones that should be locked up for obstruction for with holding info Given any opportunity these detectives would of slammed Daley's family. So SCC for u and all the other coppers who are slamming these detectives should know the facts before u open up your mouths
I wonder who in the detective division will be scape-goated for this?
Old Retired Guy Here: I very much agree with the comments regarding the Chicago Media. Where were they eight years ago ? Did you ever see the movie "Call Northside 777" ? What happened to News Paper Reporters of that caliber ? We have some that sit at a desk, and type up sarcastic editorial's. I can do that. We need folks that can gather facts, and are not afraid to put them in print.
To all those who sold their integrity to the daley crime family, the train has only so many seats, be on it instead of under it. Tick tock.
CPIC obtained the satellite video from NASA and it was forwarded to the Crystal Ball Unit where it sat for years.
Anonymous said...
And some Detectives and Sergeants will get slammed and the bosses that pulled the strings will get moved or promoted...It's fair....
12/09/2012 02:21:00 AM
This has to be the most accurate post in this section. The Sergeants rarely get screwed in the D Unit, but I can assure you the Detectives will be put through the ringer. One thing I really hope is that the second Detective J.G.comes out of this alright, he is a righteous guy and would never cover up for Daley or anybody else for that metter.
Didn't Vanecko make a statement after he thought the case was closed and admit to punching the kid?
Everyone involved in the cover up deserves what they get. The unfortunate ones will be the unclouted CPD and not the elected officials or exempts that knew about it.
A pitiful shame.
Let's see if an ounce of integrity exists anymore in this Department.
What gets me is the people he was with that witnessed the whole thing,the one I forget her name, the one who's dad was the big construction guy. I hope when she tucks her kids in at night she thinks of David's mother, of how she was denied any consolation the truth (even if no one was convicted) would have provided I hope this keeps her up nights. What kind of people are these, they're well educated brought up with so many advantages and just become so amoral.
Ron was rewarded with a job with none other than Attorney General Lisa Madigan.Amazing how things work.
Deservedly so SCC. Since the Administration is so demanding, let whats good for the goose be good for the gander. Definate corruption here, and I'll bet it started on the 5th Floor of City Hall.
Enough already.
1. We do not know what happened.
2. The involved detectives are the real police.
3. It is the victim' s fault.
4. The race card was used.
5. This is what is wrong with the department, we do not support the corrupt officers.
6. There are big changes coming.
It's a no brainer! No boss would ever fuck with a Daley family member. HE WAS THE MAYOR! We know and the special Pros. Knows it for sure! This city is known around the world for corruption. So why would anyone believe there wasn't a cover up involving the king of corrution, Daley? Also, I may be wrong, but did I read somewhere that one of the Det.'s now works in the entertainment business in California with Vanenko? Also heard that Vanenko was able to change his appearence for line-ups. True or BS?
12/09/2012 02:36:00 AM
Daley is more than the Mayor. He is the King.
This corrupt cesspool of a city had put two Presidents in the White House. The original Mayor Daley got in office through some fluke death of the front runner. They own the Media. The sitting Mayor thinks he's the next President. Chicago is a cancer.
This isn't a cover up; it was handled by Area 3 detectives. You could have had six sober, independent witnesses, the incident caught on seventeen camera angles and on-viewed by a policeman, and it still may have been shot down. The real question is: was this another case of ineptitude or laziness, that still persists in Area 3 today?
12/09/2012 01:26:00 AM
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Not, all officers are like this. But this type of behavior is rampant throughout the whole department. There are officers who cannot handle an arrest. There are officers so dumb that supervisors will not deal with them. It is easier to avoid them.
Are you kidding?
Unless there's a video of him actually punching the victim this case is going NOWHERE . Nothing is going to happen to anyone and Vanecko will beat this case easily.
The only reason he was indicted was so that they could say "see they didn't really have enough evidence to prosecute after all"
Who gives a shit whether there is a video of him leaving a bar? It's not a question of whether anyone was down there...
Yup here goes a couple a more million dollars because of corrupted daley family assholes!!
Ronald E. Yawger was one of the best, most hard working police officers/detectives that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. I cannot even begin to list the great police work that he did in his over thirty years of outstanding life risking service to the citizens of Chicago.
He did not do anything wrong because he could not do anything wrong. He is not the charging authority.
Let me explain it to all you jagoffs out there ready to throw some innocent detectives under a bus.
Read the blurb that I have attached from "CPD Special Order S06-03 Felony Review by Cook County State's Attorney"
{The States Attorney’s Felony Review Unit alone has the authority to approve homicide charges; or, in cases involving juveniles, homicide charges or any lesser charge arising from the same occurrence.}
The case was presented to the States Attorney's Office for charging, it was not approved simple as that. The CPD cannot charge or override any of homicide related statutes.
If some ASA wants to argue that they "continued" the case rather than outright rejecting it remember the ASA has its own private detective division - State Attorney's Investigators and they can and have used them in the past to do whatever private witch hunts that the SA wanted.
This case was stopped at the State Attorney's office pure and simple.
Lastly I will point that in my almost thirty years of experiences in Cook County this type of case would NEVER had been charged unless there was a political or police connection.
Mutual combatants released without charging, happens like ten times a month in Cook County.
God Bless you Ronnie and all the other Area Three Detectives involved in this nonsense.
This type of heat directed at Homicide Detectives is the main reason that I am know working for another government entity.
This is only the beginning of the horse and pony show about to be put on. But don't expect some big surprise ending.
Coverup? Heater case?
I hope the Feds can recover all the phone calls that were made when CPD found out who the suspect was. Hopefully the Feds were already recording Daley on something else when this broke.
But THINK. This case will be heard at 26 California. Daley and the Democratic party put in Chief Judge Tim Evans. The same people put in Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez who did nothing to bring charges in this case. (Can you imagine the results if an off-duty, drunk 6'03, 250 lb, police officer punched the poor kid?) Almost all the judges there have some allegiance to the Daley Machine. Do you think RJ will get a fair trial? Fair in the sense that justice will be served? Or that the interests of the Daley family will be served?
I wonder if RJ's name will be on one of those kiosks that list all the defendant's names, will he be allowed to slip in and out through the back door at 26 Cal, will the assigned judge be notoriously incompetent or be a judge who favors defendants?
I hope Webb can file a change of venue seeing as how almost all the relevant people to this case at 26 Cal have some connection to the Daleys and possibly to the people behind the alleged coverup.
The video will show a small diminutive kid who was out drinking? the video is for the jury to compare the parties in this case.
Vanecko is over 6'00 and 230 lbs. And if it was self-defense, why did RJ run away?
After twenty years on this job I think this case is a blessing in disguise. This might be the case that broke the up the relationship between the Chicago Police Department and City Hall.Finally maybe the State Government and Federal Government will realize that City Hall has TOO much power and control over its Police Department. That the Chicago Police Department needs to be run independantly from the Mayor in particually and City Hall.I beleive but could be wrong, St. Louis Police Department was once like CPD in where the Mayor had total control of the Police Department in order to aide in his/her political agenda. After several scandals, the control and influence was taken away from the Mayor and given to the State Legislature. They now pick the Police Chief and conrtol its annual budget.During his/her contract the Police Chief runs the department the way he/she believes best serve the citizens of St,Louis, not the Mayor or City Council. Past Mayors of St.Louis have tried to get back control of thier Police Department but have had no luck. I beleive this is a perfect example of why the Chicago Police Department needs to run indepentantly fron the Mayor and City Hall. If anyone believes that Scumbag Mayor Daley didnt call the Superintendant of Police to impeed or make this case go away I have a beautiful 3 acre, 6 bedroom, 4 washroom mansion to sell you on the westside of Chicago for $150,000.
It is time for an indepentdant body to select the next Police Superintendant. A Superintendant who will answer to no one at city hall while his/her contract is valid. Imagine a police department being able to investigate aldermen, write westside/southside churches parking tickets on sundays without fear of losing your beat car, no more political clout bosses making political decisions and policies, only the best qualified and best test scoring members become bosses,no more aldermans being able to call District Commanders being able to call and get whatever they want, and finally a police force that doesnt have to worry about political repercussions just for doing their job. I say its time for these changes and time to eliminate scandals like these from ever ocurring again.
It just amazes me how alleged Police Officers rely on their facts from "what they heard".
I've followed the stories in the paper, I see where the Detective who actually conducted the investigation didn't get this case until roughly three weeks after it happened. I've seen the line-up photos and I read that Darrin O'Brien was at the Area for the investigation. Are you guys aware of how Vanecko came to be identified?
Sure, Felony Review should have approved the case and let the court adjucidate it. They didn't. Dont blame the Police.
But what makes me sick is the tone of comments on this blog when Mette was in the news. Mette was right and unfortunately in this case, so was Vanecko.
Who was the copper who sinned wrote about on the elite lol mayors detail that got bounced is suing because him and some other politically appointed assholes were dumped, but he drove vaneko around the night when vaneko murderd that young kid? Gee who could it be? That copper retired but now your back in game,sold your soul to the corrupt Daley family welcome to the trial, looks like hat d-3 pension will be kept in the fund for the honest coppers to enjoy!
OT. This deserves its own post
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/16875843-452/back-gate-is-touchy-subject.html
If all of you asshats calling for justice are police it scares me! You all must have been there that night and saw exactly what happened....You all need to shut the fuck up and wait to see what happens! So much for innocent until proven guilty!
if they would have done the job right in the first place
none of this would be happening
as the old joke goes
always tell tell the truth,.. it's the easiest thing to remember.
the slum-times and the Trashbune withholding info and facts?
why oh why are we not surprised
you would think every agency of ethics and city conduct would be all over this
these people must have balls as big as the liberty bell ever to think of trying it len o' conner and mike ryko would be all over this
Ain't it So Says:
The Code of Silence that everyone claims the police have pales in comparison to the Code of Silence that the team of the politicians and the News Media together have.
Daley and Phatty were behind the coverup
Anonymous said...
and a person shot in 016. retards keep working your but off in the ghetto
12/09/2012 12:29:00 AM
What else is new? Jobs like "a person shot", "drug overdoses", "person stabbed" did occur in 016 before like 15 years ago. But they were a rarity. It's amazing how fast and quickly 016 (even the west end) has changed so quickly because of ghetto mentality citizens moving in.
At first from Belmont to Irving Park and Cicero to Austin changed to shit. Now the are around Foster and Cumberland is changing into shit.
If you think the shit heads care if 016 is full of law enforcement think again. A colleague while pumping gas at Foster & Cumberland was run up by three assholes who wanted to rob him.
Well this one starts from the top. And that would be Cline. If Phil did what appears he did he should go to prison. That could have been anybodys kid who was killed by Vanecko.
and a person shot in 016. retards keep working your but off in the ghetto
I am soooo tired of hearing this shit. You think any of us want to work in the ghetto? I was ASSIGNED here. With 10 years on I don't have enough time to get to 016. And right now we are all stuck wherever we are anyway. Get off your fucking high horse and do your job wherever you are assigned. We can't all work in 016 so stop thinking you're better than everyone else because you do. It's jerks like you that make this job unbearable.
I am sure before this is over, the one punch Simple Battery will be reclassified Involuntary Manslaughter, Koschman will achieve sainthood, Vanecko will get Felony probation, the liberal media will move on to some other "police are wrong" news item and every monday morning quarterback who knows everything and would have done it differently will follow the media.
The witnesses could NOT pick out Vanecko out of a lineup that was CLEARLY stacked AGAINST Vanecko.
The so called witnesses were so drunk they could not pick out Vanecko.
These witnesses are going to be hung out to dry on the witness stand by Vanecko's defense lawyers.
fuck rich daley and his family of pseudo royalty, it's time for them to recieve all that they have coming to them. You can bury a big pile of turds, but sooner or later the stench will rise to the surface. The stench is daley and all his minions !
why do you think cpd has merit command staff , it's called control
they owe city hall big time
let's hope all involved in cover up from sgt to deputy supt inv services lose their pensions
many many merit picks come from narcotics , any one wonder why
I hope no detective goes down over this mess.
Cline, Malloy and Chasen called the shots and no one should protect them!
The actions (or inaction) of a few devastate the many over-and-over again!
OK, we would all like to see Vanecko, any Vanecko get hammered for what they have done to us, our finances and who they are related to. Maybe the cops and the A.S.A. were right not to charge Vanecko because of the facts of the case and not for who he is related to.
Think for a moment, we only see the fresh sparkling face of Koschman in the photo they always put up just like they always put up the photo of Tryvon Martin or any other gangbanger that gets offed. But what was he really like that night, was he the drunken aggressor?
Remember that CPD cop in Iowa who was followed by some drunk until he had to deck him with one punch, it was wrong that the officer got into trouble over that.
Haven't you ever seen a pip-squeak with alcohol inflated ego and balls try to pick a fight with a man-mountain that you know was virtual suicide. I had to lockup a filthy skinny drunk one time who tried to start a fight with a former Mr. Olympia. I should have gotten the Life Saving ribbon for that.
I wasn't there and I haven't read the reports. I just think that the cops in this case may have done the right thing from the get-go.
With all the heat I suppose it will have to get into court to really find out.
Scc, you are an idiot! What bearing does video from three hours before the incident have on anything? Back stabbing your fellow officers to score points against a Daley relative. Nice.
Point out the backstabbing please? We didn't think so. Thanks. Asshat.
NO CHARGES WERE APPROVED BY FELONY REVIEW. What were the detectives supposed to do after felony review rejected charges?
Um, charge him with the misdemeanor? Go for the override? Continue the investigation instead of filing it and leaving is as "open" for 7 years. How about those options?
We don't think it was covered up either and we haven't claimed it was, but the incompetency on display is something to behold.
And of course the States Attorneys office shoulders a large portion of the blame - good luck getting them labeled as such since they have immunity. We don't, hence the conclusion that the CPD is going to take the brunt of this beating.
Stating opinions and speculating the eventual outcome of this disaster isn't "backstabbing" as some illiterate morons suggest.
O/T: Anybody hear the interview with John Cappas--of southside drug dealing infamy back in the '80s-- on WGN radio promoting his self published memoir? It's pathetic that anybody is giving him the time of day. What about all the lives ruined, especially those of the two coppers whose sons committed suicide because they were indebted to this drug gang. Even the federal judge that sentenced him to 45 years drank the kool aid, as evidenced by the glowing epilogue to the book he wrote. Don't buy the book and don't patronize this convicted violent felon's hot dog stand in Markham!
12/09/2012 07:01:00 AM
Cappas is a scumbag of the highest order, but what were the coppers kids who were selling his poison in their own H.S? Choirboys? GTFO!! They were as guilty as him, but couldnt take the heat...
Anyone with ANY TIME on this job knows it wouldve been career suicide to attempt to prosecute a Daley relative. And NO boss wouldve backed them up..
While you were watching the game --
SUICIDE BY AMBULANCE!
"Ramiro Reynoso, 20, appeared to be incoherent when someone saw him seated in a running vehicle parked near the intersection of Mannheim and Irving Park roads about 5:30 a.m. and called for help...
"Reynoso was placed in an ambulance, but during the trip to Resurrection Medical Center, he jumped out and into the street in the 5900 block of North Oriole Avenue, causing him to suffer major head trauma...pronounced dead at Res."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-patient-on-way-to-hospital-jumps-out-of-ambulance-dies-20121209,0,6271892.story
ST. GREGORY HIGH SCHOOL CLOSES
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-st-gregory-catholic-high-school-in-edgewater-closing-20121209,0,1311989.story
DNA CUTS BOTH WAYS - STATEVILLE INMATE IMPLICATED IN 1989 MURDER
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-crime-1989-murder,0,4007199.story
MAN STABBED IN NECK IN WRIGLEYVILLE -- "HAPPENED IN MEN'S ROOM, SO NOT REALLY A CRIME," MAYOR WOULD SAY
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-crime-wrigleyville-stabbing,0,3988952.story
R.J. VANECKO DUE IN COURT MONDAY
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-richard-vanecko-david-koschman-daley-nephew,0,5958215.story
17-YEAR-OLD NABBED WITH GUN AT GANG FUNERAL
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-teen-with-gun-arrested-as-part-of-crackdown-on-gang-funeral-conflicts-20121208,0,247862.story
6 SHOT OVERNIGHT ON SOUTH, WEST SIDES
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-four-shot-since-saturday-evening-20121208,0,5423252.story
CITY ON VERGE OF "SNOWLESS" RECORD
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-chicago-weather-snow-20121209,0,7266480.story
...but Minneapolis trainer was ragging Chicago guys, "Maybe you'l get stuck up here!" 31. deg. there and 7 - 11 inches of heavy, wet stuff. We dodged a bullet.
DICS TRY TO GIVE ABUSED KIDS A LITTLE BETTER CHRISTMAS
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-detectives-try-give-abused-kids-some-happiness-on-christmas-20121208,0,1731186.story
Etc.
Say what you will about Yawger. His hair was perfect!
As it should. This case couldn't have been dormant & buried for as long as it has without the complicit cooperation of many, many people, both on the city and the county side. Turn on the (media) spotlights, watch the roaches all run for cover!
The sad part about all of this is, for all the righteous posturing by Anita & co., nothing is going to come of this at trial, except much more embarrassment about how the CPD (and the CCSAO) can be so corrupted by City Hall. And nothing will ever change.
How do they sleep at night? Afraid to answer to King Daley? I'd be afraid to answer to God
I'm just asking............
Didn't mayor Daleys body guards chauffeur the Son & RJ to these late night establishments?
Did RJ really jump into a cab? or was it an unmarked police car?
This type of heat directed at Homicide Detectives is the main reason that I am know working for another government entity.
CCSA maybe ?
Maggie Daley Park No there's a ring to that B.S> Crime Family
What other scandals were just swept away????????????
Just heard this during CBS football game.
Chicago, False confession capital of America. watch 60 minutes
We are screwed again. And not the common courtesy to give us a reach around......
OT-
Updates from TheNewspaper.com
Belgium, Italy, UK: Speed Cameras Attacked
Posted: 09 Dec 2012 12:10 AM PST
Five speed cameras were installed on Monday in Cassano d'Adda, Italy, a town near Milan. By Tuesday, vigilantes had destroyed two of the "VeloOk" devices placed along Via Europa. The automated ticketing machines were both unscrewed from the ground and knocked over, and one of them was pummelled with a club, according to Milano Today.
In Scotland, vigilantes disabled a speed camera on Wednesday at around 7:20pm.
In Flanders, Belgium, attacks on speed cameras are on the rise. A total of 70 speed cameras were attacked in the first eight months of the year, a 30 percent increase from the previous year's total.
The most frequent method of destruction was "collision" with 39 incidents, 21 crowbar attacks, spraypainting in 18 cases, 11 fire attacks and 3 cameras were shot.
Electronic records do not disappear.On the face they can appear to say one thing but in the bowels they always remain of themainframe.
Every time a report is submitted to CLEAR/CHRIS in preliminary it is saved forever and when it is brought up and reviewed and modified both versions remain along with the id# of the individual who brought it up.
I would guess that the exempt members who had knowledge of this investigation and oversaw same will be sweating.
Commander Chasen is the individual who should start sweating as his id# should be all over these reports and he can give those up above him.
But those who know Cline can easily believe that he was the individual calling the shots!
Cline gave us the policies that led to:
Weems
SOS-Finnegan
Abbate
Koschman
002-Narcotcs
Jefferson Tap
His policies led to CPD being led by the likes of Weis and McCarthy owith the alternative being taken over , such as DOJ just did to Oakland PD.
Perjury is a felony, conviction of a felony could lead to the lose of one's pension. All involved should recall this.
ya cline responsible for every officer thats screws up off duty,your a complete moron and you should quit to if any other office does wrong..
Six shot overnight Saturday and oh what's this? A string of MULTIPLE garage and car fires in the 6100 ~ 6300 blocks of W. Fletcher.
I guess the burning down of the districts has started then???
squad can I get an E-T for this call?
NOPE, ain't got none.
No evidence -- No crime -- Crime is down
Anonymous said...
Are you serious SCC? There is no video of the incident just a video from 3-4 hrs before which really has zero bearing n the case except to establish what everyone knows already, the kid who died was out drinking. Where's the big story? Monday morning qb, should the detectives have gotten video of the ihop where he had breakfast the morning before c'mon realize the truth no cover ups by the detectives, I have no clue about the gold stars but I know the detectives DID NOT cover this up. Remember crap slides down hill, don't start at the bottom looking for answers, aim higher you will hit something
12/09/2012 12:23:00 AM
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Hahaha... No, not my boys! They're good kids. Honor roll kids in fact. They wouldn't be a part of this gang. They don't even own a gun.... I know, I know.
Snitches Get Stitches right?
12/09/2012 @ 12:21:00 AM
"Hey Sun Times!I don't get it. Where the fuck were you 8 years ago? Why is that you didn't push this story when Uncle Richie was Mayor? Were you trying to protect Uncle Richie's family, too?"
AMEN!
Complicit like a MUTHAFUCKAH in the cover-up and the current propaganda push with CCSAO trying to ensure the detectives are the only ones sent to the gallows for this.
Yes... The detectives SHOULD pay the piper short of a neck stretch by virtue of Daley Inc. tainting the system so badly...
BUT...
Every exempt.
Every member of the CCSAO.
Every member of the media.
Every politician who ran interference. Up to and including Shortshanks and members of his staff who acted in furtherance to influence, impede and derail this investigation should be marched to the gallows and left for the crows.
Heh... It's becoming clearer as to why Rahm fell from heaven (The White House) and landed in Chicago.
Create enough controversy & chaos to distract the upright people from paying attention to the venality and criminality of the Daley family and their supporters in government and the media.
This city is destroyed beyond all hope and care... But as usual, The Policeman gets the blame for it.
Viva... Viva Hate.
The Police are STILL the enemy...
Right?
The City And Richie took 3.5 Million $$$$ of Our Tax Dollars for Maggie Daley Charity
Time to get the Money Back
Where's the Dept of Justice
CLOUT Criminals
CITY ON VERGE OF "SNOWLESS" RECORD
CITY ALSO ON VERGE OF RECORD TOWING REVENUE FOR SNOW ZONE VIOLATIONS.
Stop the insanity!!!
Towing peoples cars under these circumstances is a crime of opportunity. A chance for the mayor to steal working peoples money under the guise of breaking a law.
Tell us who the victim of these cars being parked in a snow tow zone are when there is no snow? Who is being harmed? Who? Oh we must make sure the snow plow can get thru. hahah.
THERE'S NO SNOW A-HOLES!
You wrote this law in the hopes of taking advantage of working people that have become creatures of habit over the summer months.
They got away with that Chicago and as a result get ready for the speed trap camera revenue generators now.
It's about the money and nothing but the money. Doesn't have a thing to do about right or wrong or morality or common sense.
Phil Cline is a very personable man but if he did all of the horrible things listed on here, he should be sent to jail. Send a message to the bosses that they are not exempt from prosecution and will be held to a high standard.
Scc, you are an idiot! What bearing does video from three hours before the incident have on anything? Back stabbing your fellow officers to score points against a Daley relative.
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Yeah whatsamatter with you don't you know we have a Code of Silence??
/sarcasm
criem does pay
Anonymous said...
and a person shot in 016. retards keep working your but off in the ghetto
12/09/2012 12:29:00 AM
Retard? Who is the retard that pays twice as much for a house on the n/w side, then has to deal with the same shit as the s/w side residents who paid half the price for the same type of house? You figure it out.
It's been about a week, has the 009th district turned it around yet?
Obstruction of justice carries awhole lot of consequences like bye bye pension summer/winter homes.
Are u stupid? How is the pension at stake? They didn't committ a crime? It really isn't that easy to lose your pension even if you're convicted of a felony.
How the hell is Anita Alvarez an attorney.
She denies the facts of DNA evidence.
Who will ever believe the CPD or Cook County States attorney again?
"Perjury is a felony, conviction of a felony could lead to the lose of one's pension. All involved should recall this."
No it doesn't. It is very specific.. It has to be a felony commited under "Color of Law".
If you committ a robbery of duty that has nothing to do with being an officer, you go to jail you dont lose your pension. If you committ a robery and you do it while on duty or use your office to do the robbery then you go to jail and lose your pension.
Holy shit during a commercial break during the football game, CBS announced a upcoming news special on the CBS Evening News. The story was announced as, " Visiting The False Confession Capitol of the U.S." God I hate being part of this fucked up city, 5 more years and I am out of this bitch!
Katt Williams say HUH. Racist POLEESES
You're talking about people who are a little long in the tooth now. Shoot, I'm only 50, and I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. How can people be expected to remember shit that happened 8 years ago? Even if the det's say, "yes, I was told to gloss this case over", how are they going to remember when or where they were told that?
Whatever the det's did, I'm sure it wasn't their decision. That was a long time ago. Anyone else in that spot would have done the same thing--who are you going to disagree with, and who are you going to tell? IAD? Joke. FBI? Joke. SA office? Joke.
Don't second guess the guys at the bottom, this came from way on high, Shortshanks.
Anonymous said...
Hey, Sun Times! I don't get it. Where the fuck were you 8 years ago? Why is that you didn't push this story then when Uncle Richie was Mayor? Were you trying to protect Uncle Richie's family, too?
I mean really, how come all of a sudden this shit come to light and you didn't bring it up before?
Not only do I smell a rat among the connected in the police department, I smell a rat in your newspaper. Apparently, now that Uncle Richie is out of office you break the case!?!? You are just as bad as the people you are trying to report on.
You and all of the other news outlets throw softballs at these politicians while they are in office, unless one of them steps on their dick in a big fashion and all of your politicos who back you decide to send one of their own up the river.
What a bunch of bullshit reporting and investigating.
12/09/2012 12:21:00 AM
Excellent, excellent point.
Clouted Crook City No Wonder Chicago and IL are crumbling and bankrupt
Have we had enough
CAnt wait for this story to go national
Just watched the 60 Minutes piece. I wrote some notes on what I thought they would say and checked them off:
-well dressed, now, no thug clothes - check
-soft selling previous arrests as "minor" (all youths in Chicago have an arrest record, don't they?)- check
-crying mama - check
-drag Burge into it regardless if he was involved-check
-misrepresent Burge's conviction - check
-ernest female Northwestern law student (one that wasn't used as a "treat" for convict interviews, that's still a problem) - check
-former ASA (now a criminal attorney and part of the problem, but gets paid alot of money) who regrets his work - check
I lost my voice yelling at the TV. I was off on the obligatory white guy that was "wrongfully convicted", but I guess Manning is back in the joint.
He got caught waiting to torture and murder some working guy. He even bought and flat and built the torture chamber in it. Was he still working for one of those "wrongfully convicted" attorneys?
Yep. It's all the Police Department's fault for putting those poor innocent young men in jail.
OT: McCarthy is the highest paid city employee at 260 K a year. he makes more than the mayor. Anybody else think the city isn't getting their bang for their buck?????
SCC said...
And of course the States Attorneys office shoulders a large portion of the blame - good luck getting them labeled as such since they have immunity. We don't, hence the conclusion that the CPD is going to take the brunt of this beating.
Stating opinions and speculating the eventual outcome of this disaster isn't "backstabbing" as some illiterate morons suggest.
12/09/2012 03:12:00 PM
Fxxx the State's Attorneys Office. There's not a more corrupt "Office" in our State of corruption. I'm sorry for those CPD caught in between- my heart goes out to you all. The powers that be- daley, alvarez et al- knew CPD would be sacrificial lambs should this ever get where it's gotten. Future CPD recruits should think real hard before they consider the abyss that is ILL-inois politics. And shouting out to daley and alvarez- you have blood on your hands you creeps. We will shout it from the rooftops and won't let this deceit and criminalizing of the CPD go unheard.
"Daley is more than the Mayor. He is the King. "
Daley was no king. He was a tyrant.
Little man, big difference.
Stalin would be at home in Chicago
Clouted One Party Rule Under Daley
The clout system is imploeding just look at the crime out of control and no new leadership at cpd will be able to fix it
Richard J. Daley would be rollin in his grave to think that the Gold Coast is unsafe
Very, very few people have the stomach or the capability to stand up to that kind of pressure, even normally decent and honorable people. I am not saying there should be no negative consequences for their actions if they did something inappropriate, but what they might well have done is very understandable.
They will probably get thrown to the lions in a public spectacle to save others. That is the way these things usually go. The guys up the food chain almost always skate.
Not a cop.
12/09/2012 08:37:00 AM
Yes to be in that position sucks, but that is the forge that melds character. Your career might be dead ended, but you can sleep well with a full functioning moral compass.
if it wasn't Daleys nephew this case never would have resurfaced
He (I'm reasonably certain) never intended to murder anyone but did intend to severely injure the victim. Hence the charges. Regardless of who he is related to he is an overbearing, spoiled punk with an inflated sense of entitlement and an obnoxious amount of hubris. He must be charged with the crime he committed. Ignore the smoke and mirrors. The media and city hall have successfully taken the spotlight off of the engineers of this travesty and redirected the light on a detective that could no more influence the direction of a homicide investigation than Elmer Fudd. You can't unring a bell.
Richard J. Daley was way too fat to be rolling in his, or anybody else's grave.
Clout's on sale at Jewel this week. Sorry, no rainchecks.
when do we receive our retro checks?
Anonymous said...
"Daley is more than the Mayor. He is the King. "
Daley was no king. He was a tyrant.
Little man, big difference.
12/09/2012 08:29:00 PM
Shortshanks, remember? A king in the same way that King Edward I of England was king, he was called Edward Longshanks. A tyrant, a despot.
The politicalization of the police department lays exactly at the feet of Richard M Daley. It began with the elimination of the Civil Service rank of Captain. For a few lousy bucks the old Captains sold out their rank and all rights to that rank for Captains in the future, never to be Captains.
Previously a Captain was a Captain for life, he could not be demoted. Civil Service rank, they could and frequently did tell Commanders to go shit in their hands. Commanders could be dumped, wherever a Captain went they were still a Captain.
That was the beginning of the end of all pretenses of fairness in promotions for even though the occasional exam was rigged or some answers were leaked, rank up to Captain was absolute. (except for detective)
Since then it has been all downhill.
And it only cost Richie a few thousand lousy bucks to buy each Captain off. For shame Captains, for shame.
Yawger and all the "Special" folks in the D Unit are used to havin their asses kissed. Remember after years of being the guys and gals who call for "Approvals" they consider themselves as part of a team. While street cops are kept out of the loop even if it is a street cop who makes the initial pinch. Let's see if that bond remains when these retired mopes have to hire their own attorneys. Don't even think about a Fund Raiser for these hacks. F@%* Them!
12/09/2012 09:23:00 AM
How pathetic you sound. You just seem to have some warped hatred of all detectives. Maybe your feelings got hurt by a detective and you can't seem to get over it. Boo hoo and grow up kid! One thing is for sure, you obviously don't know Ron Yawger. For your information he was one of the most dedicated and hardworking detectives ever. Think before you blab your bull shit. You don't know the facts or the players.
Supervisor in D unit to be indicted soon.
Seriously? You do know the lead detective claims he was unaware of the existence of any video and the Department refused an FOIA request by the media? And then Webb finds video within 3 hours of the manslaughter? Howe many other videos might be out there waiting to expose the piss-poor investigation? How is that going to play in Peoria? Or in front of a federal jury from Peoria? You do know that Federal juries are drawn from all over the midwest, right?
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You really don't have any idea.
DEFECTIVE CHARGED IN SERIES OF NW SIDE ARSON FIRES
"Thomas Walsh, 23, of the 3100 block of North Menard Avenue, has been charged with arson in connection with five fires set around 4 a.m. in the 6100 to 6300 blocks of West Fletcher Street..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-1-questioned-in-northwest-side-garage-fires-20121209,0,2785282.story
Asshole wearing a shirt from E19 T11 A4. I would probably not wear that near 3421 S. Calumet, guy...
To 12:28 AM
I was one of the "yuppies" who came to the memorabilia sale in 13 to get items for a neighbor and a relative who worked there. When I pulled up I was surprised at all of the squads in the lot and wondered if there were any officers on the street. However, the gratitious swipe at the CAPS officers is juvenile. Sale or not, they wouldn't have been on the street.
Anybody thinking the Sun Times added any evidence in their front page article today is a total moron. Any copper that doesn't understand that what detectives did during this case was completelycorrect obviously never made many felony arrests. Any copper that can't wait to bad rap other police, and listen to the bull-shit in the scum times is totally an idiot and will pay for what you've made citizens believe of you by your bitching attitude. If you can't make Detective or Rank and want to sit by your computer and bitch-the sooner you guit the better.
A kid gets punched at 3am and goes to the hospital. No offender on scene and no-one is named-witnesses are stiff and can't name anyone. There is no video of the incident!! What would you do?
The victim dies days later. One of the best detectives in the City (Yawger) is assigned and he uncovers that Vaneco may have been on the scene. He brings Vaneko in, gets every witness to come in, and they all view seperate line-ups with Veneko in each. NO WITNESS IDENTIFIES VENEKO.
The case is presented to the States Attorney for approval. Guess what-NO IDENTIFICATION, NO CONFESSION, NO INDEPENDENT WITNESSES, NO VIDEO, NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, NO LINEUP IDENTIFICATION ANY OF THE WITNESSES = STATES ATTORNEYS REFUSE TO CHARGE OBVIOSLY!!!!
For you uninformed, do nothing, never made a felony arrest, excuse for coppers: There is no override for a murder decision by the States Attorneys Office.
Ron Yawger you had a great career and should be proud of what you have accomplished. These ignorant generation Xrs make me sick.
The outcome of this case has already been determined. In Chicago the ending is always figured out first and publicized last. Nothing will happen. He was charged and thats all the family wanted. A Shitbird with a huge rap sheet in this county doesnt stay locked up for long. This guy gets probation. And nothing will happen to the ivestigators in this case besides a little embarrassment from the media.
I've said it before, leave the detecting to the detectives. Everyone else is clueless and/ or a wannabe. Go Monday morning quarterback a football player. That includes bosses and patrolmen.
The only one covering up is the CCSAO, who will now try to throw the police dept. under the bus. They were presented a case, which was rejected by the Chief of Felony Review, case closed right? Then they lost the file somehow?
Then refused to re-investigate. Sadly, they will try to bury the dept. and wriggle out of it.
Also sadly, this was nothing more than a case of a little dude with beer muscles trying to start a fight with a much bigger guy. He got knocked out, unfortunately he hit his heas and died. This case will go nowhere in court, and will cost millions.
Nobody was shot in 016 yesterday. A guy jumped out of the back of an ambulance, hit his head and died.
Sooooo...
If I call felony review today and say I got one in custody for __________ (fill in the blank) and that I have 1 thru whatever (pick a number) eyewitnesses who are the victims friends who did not pick the offender out of a lineup and that the offender and his friends are not talking and that I have no physical evidence but some weak circumstantial evidence and a video from 3 hours ago showing the victim doing whatever but I want charges anyway... I'm good to go?
And after felony review catches their breath after hysterical laughter and rejects charges I can find an exempt to override?
HAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAHAAAHA you're killing me hahahahahhhaaaahahaahahaaahaa
But I'm just a dick... what do I know?
Evidence has also surfaced that David Koschman had consumed alcohol on other weekends.
Anybody know how much cool-aid is going for in China these days?
OT: Off duty Policeman shot about 0030AM at 6305 S. Nashville, during robbery. M/H 5'9 Bushy hair, fled in Silver Chevy. Offender was shot. God Bless you Officer. Hope you are OK.
This isn't a cover up; it was handled by Area 3 detectives. You could have had six sober, independent witnesses, the incident caught on seventeen camera angles and on-viewed by a policeman, and it still may have been shot down.
Good post, but change "may" to "would".
OT: McCarthy is the highest paid city employee at 260 K a year. he makes more than the mayor. Anybody else think the city isn't getting their bang for their buck?????
**Gary SCHNEKEL AT OEMC IS Next
Not even frfom Chicago
Vote for machine candidates, and you get cover ups.
From a troll: Who ever wrote that the state should take over the CPD to remove control from the corrupt city government does not get it. You see my friend, there is little distinction between the city and state government in Illinois. You have one party that controls the city, County of Cook and state. It is the same party, the same players, the same criminals and thieves representing government. Your solution may have worked in St. Louis but in Illinois, the people are the problem. To many of us vote for these shitheads like Madigan, Blago and on and on. We get the government we deserve. That is exactly how this Vanecko "shit happens".
pretty vague .... where was the video did the police have it or not? where did it appear from? and who cares about a video from 2 hrs. before the crime? about as useful as a bank video 2 hrs. before the roberry. Y-A-W-N....
Anonymous said...
This isn't a cover up; it was handled by Area 3 detectives. You could have had six sober, independent witnesses, the incident caught on seventeen camera angles and on-viewed by a policeman, and it still may have been shot down. The real question is: was this another case of ineptitude or laziness, that still persists in Area 3 today?
12/09/2012 01:26:00 AM
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I agree. No matter how you slice it, when you have witnesses that say Koschman started it - GAME OVER. That is all that is relevant here.
Now do I understand correctly that those wintesses now say they never told the detectives that Koschman started it? That's a whole different story then.
Bridget Higgins McCarthy is the construction guy's daughter of Higgins Construction
The most frequent method of destruction was "collision" with 39 incidents, 21 crowbar attacks, spraypainting in 18 cases, 11 fire attacks and 3 cameras were shot.
12/09/2012 04:54:00 PM
Give McStreetlights a couple of cocktails and have him shoot a couple out for us!
I worked with Ron Yawger many years ago - one of the best coppers you'll ever meet. He'd put his life on the line for you without thinking twice. I think this shit rolled down from the top with Ron and other det's. being the fall guys for this.
The Chicago Communist Party, AKA the Chicago Democratic Machine, is at work here. Their propaganda minister has directed their lapdogs in the media to pretend to make an issue of this because the victim's mother is causing trouble and can't be silenced.
It will then appear that some action was taken and that the evil police covered it up, instead of the evil and corrupt Cook County State's Attorney office, where Daley came from.
Open your eyes. Communists are master liars.
if it wasn't Daleys nephew this case never would have resurfaced
12/09/2012 09:44:00 PM
...and if he wasn't Daley's nephew, he wouldn't have had it so easy after killing a man in a drunken route.
Fame, political connections, even being the police is a double edged sword. Keep on the straight and narrow and you are afforded short cuts and chances no one else has. Screw up and the ones not afforded those chances want to see you hang.
Such is life. Let that son of bitch squirm. What, does he think he's a Kennedy?
Lets hope the Detectives involved in this case get their collective asses handed to them.
For you uninformed, do nothing, never made a felony arrest, excuse for coppers: There is no override for a murder decision by the States Attorneys Office.
Ron Yawger you had a great career and should be proud of what you have accomplished. These ignorant generation Xrs make me sick.
12/10/2012 01:11:00 AM
100 percent correct!!!!!!!!
No cover up by anyone, just another example of some lawyers over at the ASA's office doing political favors again. Some of the ASAs are great! Others are completely clueless, very poor lawyers and horrible prosecutors. This was obviously some favor done for political reason, it too apparent not to be, but it rest completely at the ASAs office. The Dpeartment and the coppers involved shouldn't be tagged for that. The Dets had limited evidence to work woth, and some of the offender's family and frields who were less than forthcoming-- or truthful. They hod behind the protection of lawyers before they were even called in. Hmmm, why would a witness laywer up? This should have been a grand jury case from the onset. They can't hide behind a lawyer when they are given immunity. The dets knew who the witnesse were and who the involved were. Immunity at the GJ would have been the key to the truth or they would then face perjury. They couldn't have protected him then or suffer the results themselves. The balme is solely with the State Atty's office!
drunks who get in fights should pay the consequences. whether they are cops or cousins of the mayor.
Anonymous said...
Nobody was shot in 016 yesterday. A guy jumped out of the back of an ambulance, hit his head and died.
12/10/2012 01:58:00 AM
How about the guy shot in the leg 8600 blk Summerdale?
Anybody thinking the Sun Times added any evidence in their front page article today is a total moron. Any copper that doesn't understand that what detectives did during this case was completelycorrect obviously never made many felony arrests. Any copper that can't wait to bad rap other police, and listen to the bull-shit in the scum times is totally an idiot and will pay for what you've made citizens believe of you by your bitching attitude. If you can't make Detective or Rank and want to sit by your computer and bitch-the sooner you guit the better.
A kid gets punched at 3am and goes to the hospital. No offender on scene and no-one is named-witnesses are stiff and can't name anyone. There is no video of the incident!! What would you do?
The victim dies days later. One of the best detectives in the City (Yawger) is assigned and he uncovers that Vaneco may have been on the scene. He brings Vaneko in, gets every witness to come in, and they all view seperate line-ups with Veneko in each. NO WITNESS IDENTIFIES VENEKO.
The case is presented to the States Attorney for approval. Guess what-NO IDENTIFICATION, NO CONFESSION, NO INDEPENDENT WITNESSES, NO VIDEO, NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, NO LINEUP IDENTIFICATION ANY OF THE WITNESSES = STATES ATTORNEYS REFUSE TO CHARGE OBVIOSLY!!!!
For you uninformed, do nothing, never made a felony arrest, excuse for coppers: There is no override for a murder decision by the States Attorneys Office.
Ron Yawger you had a great career and should be proud of what you have accomplished. These ignorant generation Xrs make me sick.
12/10/2012 01:11:00 AM
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I'm not a cop or lawyer but there are enough inconsistiencies here to investigate more then what was investigated.
I'm a citizen, life-long, and this clusterfark doesn't make me think less of the rank-and-file CPD overall or even the Investigators involved in this cover-up if that's what it proves-out to be.
CPD may well likely have been put in a very bad position given the Chicago Way. Careers, kids in college, etc...doesn't make it right if it was a cover-up but I can empathize with the box the "merit less" were in, at the time.
But, once in a blue moon the evil mechanics of how Daley and his ilk ran things gets exposed and some come forward & then there is a price to be paid by those who shouldn't have done the things that were done, when they didn't have to do what they did; and then there is a price to be paid by the collateral victims down the pecking order that participated because they were between a rock and a hard place.
I think this is going to be investigated properly and people who are in-the-know, who have lived with this and have had it eating them up inside will come forth.
And, it's going to shine a brighter light on how despicable those at the top that set this in motion are.
I believe an invisible hand is at work in this.
Time will tell.
No matter how it plays out. It sucks to be Vanecko.
But I'm just a dick... what do I know?
What is the homicide clearance rate ? Do you know that ?
Anonymous said...
Supervisor in D unit to be indicted soon.
12/09/2012 11:08:00 PM
For handling his law practice on company time?
Anita was on 60 Minutes last night. What a disaster!
All I know about this case is what I read in the media. It does look pretty shabby for the detectives and prosecutors. But as a private investigator and former homicide detective I can say that many of the criminal cases I take on today indicate shabby police investigations, poor reporting and when felony charges are approved, a complete cessation of the investigation leaving many good things to be investigated. i know the area dicks are busy, very busy, at least many of them, but honestly, way too many of these investigations are poor excuses. Prosecutors, judges and defense attorneys just do not think much of them. I think the detective division needs a make-over. When you see how things are done in other cities and compare them with Chicago, you will see what I mean.
Lots of comments here, pro and con and lots of good points made, plus many bad and cheap excuses. Lets wait until the special prosecutors report comes out. Indictments for official misconduct?
It will be very difficult to prove any favoritism in this case and whether or not things such as charging was done correctly or improperly simple because of no witnesses or good witnesses and no video of the actual incident,this will be a tough one,so my guess is nobody will take any heat and the court will let Vanecko go with a slap on this wrist. time will tell!
See I told you the mayor will need to expand that $12 million dollar city hall renovation so that the city lawyers can have more space.
via ChicagoTribune...
U.S. attorney candidate added to legal team in high-stakes police neglect case
Updated Dec 06, 2012
A little more than a month before a high-stakes lawsuit against the Chicago Police Department is set to go to trial, Mayor Rahm Emanuel's administration has added a new legal team to the case led by a.
SHhhh. Code of Silence, don't tell anyone. Piss away more money on appeal, appeal, appeal, set aside the verdict and rewrite history. Nothing to see here!
But I'm just a dick... what do I know?
What is the homicide clearance rate ? Do you know that ?
12/10/2012 12:02:00 PM
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Somewhere around 33%.
"I agree. No matter how you slice it, when you have witnesses that say Koschman started it - GAME OVER. That is all that is relevant here."
So in your warped world if you mouth off to someone twice your size & get killed, you got what's coming. OK have another drink @ Jefferson Tap.
"No matter how it plays out. It sucks to be Vanecko."
12/10/2012 10:31:00 AM
It sucks to be David Koschman.
Anonymous said...
Just watched the 60 Minutes piece. I wrote some notes on what I thought they would say and checked them off:
-well dressed, now, no thug clothes - check (What did you expect -- and how do you know they were thug clothes the rest of the time? Another item you have no idea about -- check)
-soft selling previous arrests as "minor" (all youths in Chicago have an arrest record, don't they?)- check (do you have information that they were not? and it is a fact that most black youths in tough neighborhoods do have records -- another fact, check)
-crying mama - check (well, seeing as her son was locked up for years for something he didn't so, I think she's entitled to a little cry, and it is part of the pathos of the story. part of what happened)
-drag Burge into it regardless if he was involved-check (well, we're talking about the chicago police and he is the granddaddy of false confessions and torture so, yeah, he's going to get mentioned because he's part of the story which is about more than just these cases)
-misrepresent Burge's conviction - check -- (I wasn't paying that close attention, not sure how it was "misrepresented" but who cares, if he was convicted for lying about it, just as bad)
-ernest female Northwestern law student (one that wasn't used as a "treat" for convict interviews, that's still a problem) - check (still a problem, really, I doubt that...seems like what she said was true, she looked at the confessions together and they smelled, just like this whole case)
-former ASA (now a criminal attorney and part of the problem, but gets paid alot of money) who regrets his work - check (what's he supposed to do, be happy he prosecuted innocent people? we'd be a lot better off if he had won the primary four years ago)
I lost my voice yelling at the TV. I was off on the obligatory white guy that was "wrongfully convicted", but I guess Manning is back in the joint. (your yelling is misdirected)
He got caught waiting to torture and murder some working guy. He even bought and flat and built the torture chamber in it. Was he still working for one of those "wrongfully convicted" attorneys? (don't know what you're talking about)
Yep. It's all the Police Department's fault for putting those poor innocent young men in jail. (no, and I don't think that was the tenor of the piece. The state's attorney's office came under a lot of fire, deservedly so, led by Anita, who thinks it's plausible that the DNA got into the victim when the person walked by the crime scene later and had sex with the dead body, give me a break)
12/09/2012 07:49:00 PM
It sucks to be Vanecko.
12/10/2012 10:31:00 AM
If things go right hopefully he will be.
Bwah hahaha... The fix is in.
The CODE OF SILENCE LIVES ON...
"...Richard Vanecko, the nephew of former Mayor Richard Daley, pleaded not guilty this morning to a charge of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the 2004 death of David Koschman.
The case was randomly assigned today to Judge Arthur Hill, a former prosecutor when Daley was state’s attorney.
When Vanecko appeared before the judge this morning, Hill noted he had also been appointed to the board of the Chicago Transit Authority by Daley when he was mayor. He also held the No. 2 post under State’s Attorney Dick Devine, who has strong ties to Daley.
Hill told lawyers in the case that he won’t voluntarily remove himself from presiding over the case but would understood if special prosecutor Dan Webb, who charged Vanecko, asked for another judge...."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-richard-vanecko-david-koschman-daley-nephew,0,5958215.story
RANDOMLY ASSIGNED HAHAHAHAHAHA..
The Code of Silence is a contributing factor as to why CPD promotes incompetent people.
Promoting incompetent people creates a dependency. You'll get servile complaisance from the incompetent in return for the cloutorious promotion.
The cloutorious can not make it on their own. So you get obsequious behavior that feeds the ego's of the political class.
The fawning, ingratiating servants will do anything to maintain their social economic position on the Maslow pyramid.
Surrounded by mindless servants the leaders own intelligence appears superior by comparison. Don't ruin it by bringing in someone that knows what they are doing to create challenges to the status quo.
Don't love the Code of Silence and hate the cloutorious promotions because you cannot break the ties between them.
If you love the Code of Silence and are a part of it. Hooray for you. However is doesn't last forever and at some point you become a bargaining chip to be thrown under the bus to protect those above your position. All you need is a big enough crisis. A crisis that they can use.
"Such is life. Let that son of bitch squirm. What, does he think he's a Kennedy?"
Yeah, William Kennedy Smith, the sleazeball Kennedy.
rb
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/william-kennedy-smith-sleazeball
Anonymous said...
But I'm just a dick... what do I know?
What is the homicide clearance rate ? Do you know that ?
12/10/2012 12:02:00 PM
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Who cares?
I am more concerned with burglaries.
"Such is life. Let that son of bitch squirm. What, does he think he's a Kennedy?"
Yeah, William Kennedy Smith, the sleazeball Kennedy.
rb
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/william-kennedy-smith-sleazeball
12/11/2012 12:30:00 AM
Actually I think all the Kennedys are scum. Teddy being the biggest. Closest thing we had to some ridiclous monarchy. Fortune, built on a criminal enterprise, and steering National policy. Sounds like the Daleys doesn't it.
I don'tnderstand how the Public doesn't see that. Remember that wind farm they wanted to put near Martha's Vinyard? The Kennedys felt it was too close, so they had it moved. Not in my backyard. It goes in yours.
There are many very good and dedicated detectives in the CPD, but, lets face facts,there are also way too many who be chased out of those units or held to a higher standard. More training perhaps ? Supervisors who actually supervise an investigation instead of just a perfunctory signing of reports? Take the clout out of merit promotions to detectives and actually promnote qualified individuals? It dseems each investigation depends on the individual motivations and professionalism of the detective assigned and not a standard set by the department. You just cant defend what has happened in the detective division and the overall quality of work that has been coming out of that division. What they are not short of is excuses.
All I can say is just reverse the circumstances in this case: Daley's nephew is a little guy, who was mouthy and intoxicated who gets killed with one punch by a guy twice the size. What do you think would happen? And, how fast do you think this would occur? Enough said. Justice for all.
Cod of silence ? Preferred and preferential treatment ? You bet your ass there is. I worked in internal affairs for 4 years and I saw what was happening. And, it works both ways. If they do not like you they will work very hard to find something to screw you over or manufacture something just so you will dangle in the wind for a while. Don't kid yourself, it happens. Many of the investigators are ethical and honest, but there are a few who are not or who have a very jaded view on life. And, of course, when the file goes into the advocates office anything can happen before it makes its way around the department.
Anonymous said...
But I'm just a dick... what do I know?
What is the homicide clearance rate ? Do you know that ?
12/10/2012 12:02:00
Not just a poor homicide clearance rate, but a poor clearance rate in anything the detective division does. They might be understaffed, but come on, you can do better. First get rid of the majority of merit dicks, then assign every officer who holds the title of detective to an actual detecting job, no administrative assignments or academy assignments etc. Then, start demoting those who have not done a damn thing in years.
Remember the Ryan Harris case in Area 1. The two little boys(thugs) killed the girl then the Moron comes along and rubs one off on the dead girl. Along comes the bottom feeder and lier Pinchum who does the spin with the help of the media tell a tale that the boys are innocent and everyone believes it. The city throws the Dicks under the bus and they get the ghetto lottery. That's what Anita was talking about.
Anonymous said...
Anybody thinking the Sun Times added any evidence in their front page article today is a total moron. Any copper that doesn't understand that what detectives did during this case was completelycorrect obviously never made many felony arrests. Any copper that can't wait to bad rap other police, and listen to the bull-shit in the scum times is totally an idiot and will pay for what you've made citizens believe of you by your bitching attitude. If you can't make Detective or Rank and want to sit by your computer and bitch-the sooner you guit the better.
A kid gets punched at 3am and goes to the hospital. No offender on scene and no-one is named-witnesses are stiff and can't name anyone. There is no video of the incident!! What would you do?
The victim dies days later. One of the best detectives in the City (Yawger) is assigned and he uncovers that Vaneco may have been on the scene. He brings Vaneko in, gets every witness to come in, and they all view seperate line-ups with Veneko in each. NO WITNESS IDENTIFIES VENEKO.
The case is presented to the States Attorney for approval. Guess what-NO IDENTIFICATION, NO CONFESSION, NO INDEPENDENT WITNESSES, NO VIDEO, NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, NO LINEUP IDENTIFICATION ANY OF THE WITNESSES = STATES ATTORNEYS REFUSE TO CHARGE OBVIOSLY!!!!
For you uninformed, do nothing, never made a felony arrest, excuse for coppers: There is no override for a murder decision by the States Attorneys Office.
Ron Yawger you had a great career and should be proud of what you have accomplished. These ignorant generation Xrs make me sick.
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Congratulations!! You are retarded.
As I said previously, a lot of detectives have come forward and defended this entire investigation as one of the premier crime investigations of the century. But, lets wait and see what the special grand jury has to say about this. All I can tell you is right now no one is on the side of the police in this matter. On its face the entire matter was given a very short investigation. Yawger, dont know him as I am retired. But, I do know one thing, no one ever canvassed the area where the incident occurred to look for witnesses and to inquire if video existed. And, why did it take so long to even investigate this matter ? When someone dies the public demands a very through investigation as a life was lost. If this was your family member you would not be so cold in your comments.
Anonymous said...
All I can say is just reverse the circumstances in this case: Daley's nephew is a little guy, who was mouthy and intoxicated who gets killed with one punch by a guy twice the size. What do you think would happen? And, how fast do you think this would occur? Enough said. Justice for all.
12/11/2012 10:15:00 AM
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This is an excellent spin. Good point....
"...that's why I work for another agency..."
My guess is TSA.
"...why so many merit picks come out of narcotics..."
August 1998--first acknowledged merit picks for sergeant.
Six made it from narcotics. Three were merit. Three from the list.
Three merit picks now--1--First Deputy Superintendent, 2--Deputy Chief 3--Still a sergeant.
Three off the list now--1-Lieutenant (off the list), 2 and 3--Still sergeants.
Merit works.
"...not enough man enough to give a reach-around..."
Excuse me! Someone call?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
"...there were so many cars in the station parking lot I wondered who could be on the street..."
Are you sure you weren't at Starbucks?
There was no cover up by any of the detectives. What police officer wouldn't want to lock up a member of the Daley clan. If not Daley or his dick head son. Witnesses came in and were not able to identify the offender. What else could they do? Supervisors today are incapable of handling situations properly. The only thing they know how to do is fling shit at someone. To actually know how to handle a situation would require one to actually know the ins and out of a job.
To Dan Webb-Hey f...head. Your video means nothing unless it shows Koschman taking the punch. We already know he was on Rush street drinking for a few hours. Remember, that's where he died.
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