Another Media Beating on the Way
- The U.S. Justice Department has been conducting an investigation into the interrogation practices at the Chicago Police Department, and “60 Minutes” is about to break the story wide open.
CBS News chief national correspondent and “60 Minutes” contributor Byron Pitts reports one case involves a teenager, and dates back more than 25 years.
Terrill Swift, Michael Saunders, Harold Richardson, and Vincent Thames – known as the “Englewood Four” – had their convictions for a 1994 murder overturned last year, after DNA evidence cleared them of guilt.
No allegations of beatings or torture that we saw in the previews - just that everyone is intimidated into signing confessions for crimes they didn't commit, and years later after witnesses have died off, everyone remembers they didn't do it after all.
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
69 Comments:
If the case is solid you don't have to railroad a person.what a great detective division.I can't stop laughing to watch no good officers feel the heat.
Keep fucking with people but remember people are watching and thank the lord for recording devices.now go commit official misconduct
The DNA machine is broken or WHO is pressing the buttons?
The city law department should be dancing on the desktops. Time to re-evaluate the $12 million dollar city hall revamp the law department is gonna need more floorspace. Business is booming. Appeal after appeal, more constitutional challenges and ACLU lawsuits.
Not to worry. Lovey and his bottom feeding sharks are running out of food. They will starve to death soon.
The SAO put pressure on the cops to put pressure on the suspects to keep their conviction rate looking good. Seems like I remember Felony Review ASAs didn't want to go forward with cases even with evidence and witnesses if they didn't have a signed statement. Partee, O'Malley, Daley, Devine, it was the same policy. Why aren't their feet being held to the fire?
They're doing everything they can to wipe out "The 9/11 effect"; the day when police officers & firefighters were heroes that no one could challenge.
Unfortunately, we're going to have to play that card again when contract time goes hardcore.
The public forgets in a big way.
scc just some friendly advice if you will... this story will bring in tons of negative attacks and comments about sgt K.B. I understand this, however. I know him, have worked with him and for him and I know him to be a decent guy with alot of people who are "haters" against him because he has held alot of spots that are "coveted spots". well, he is truly a decent guy. He is a nice guy and he is someone who is knowledgeable about whats happening... I think he unfortunatly got hooked into the burge crap at the wrong place and wrong time. Lets not forget, hes still a police officer, hes still one of us and he is still a human being who has a investigation looming over his head. I guarantee, if any one of the commenters had such an investigation looming over there career and life the last thing they would want is a bunch of bitter know it alls talking crap about them... just maybe take a watchful eye for the attackers who are out to degrade him instead of giving a comment that adds something to the topic. thanks. R.L.B(retired)
Break a story wide open....yeeea ooookay. Great job reporters of this era. Is this story even relevant anymore seeing how every homicide interview is recorded today. I would asssume then they can investigate the interrogation practices all they want.....cause they can just watch the tapes.
Do any of these do good groups ever investigate a case and find out the person in jail is actually guilty?
What else is new?
Glad you couldn't come up with anything recently. Yellow journalism.
Cops do their job and they confess and they are convicted. Then ooppss later I didnt do it and change their mind and its bad policing?? Give me a freakin break.
It's good to be retired.
I/F KMA
Got to do something in order to get into trouble...
A little more than everyone remembers they didn't do it. DNA. No?
The SAO put pressure on the cops to put pressure on the suspects to keep their conviction rate looking good. Seems like I remember Felony Review ASAs didn't want to go forward with cases even with evidence and witnesses if they didn't have a signed statement. Partee, O'Malley, Daley, Devine, it was the same policy. Why aren't their feet being held to the fire?
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They got someone else to do their dirty work for them, that's why. And those people were perfectly happy to crawl around in the mud, and for what? What did they get for dirtying themselves?
There may well have been a reason the ASA did not want to go forward without signed confessions. Perhaps because the case sucked without one and the ASA knew. Now we find out why the case sucked - the guy didn't do it.
DNA can rule you in, but it can't rule you out.
Wow, didn't that happen like 15-20 years ago? It's smoke and mirrors. Pay attention to the bad police and not the culture of people who are way more violent and are huge burden on society. God forbid you call out the so called community leaders and reverends on their fucked up communities lest you be considered a racist. This county is fucked. I'm going into my "cone of silence"
You mean we can't use the telephone book alongside the head or put a snubnose .38 in their mouth any more?
Jeez, has anyone outside the detective units heard the pages of crap the ASA's must now recite to these idiots before and after they testify before a grand jury or give a statement on paper or on video?
They all but tell people "you do not have to talk to us and if you are smart you wouldn't but if you do and we get a chance to fuck you, we sure will."
The citizens better wake up. If this police bashing continues the only things the police are going to do is write parking tickets and take reports. The goofs still running around acting like they're Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon are going to be eliminated through attrition.
To R.L.B.(retired), so what does that mean you do something unethical but because your a good guy it is okay? You must be in the same boat with him. I go to work everyday for over 20 years without any misconduct and no I do not have a investigation looming over my head, so if you follow the G.O's given to us instead of buckling to political pressure you will be fine on this job.
does anyone know the Police Olympics story? Where the FBI the Secret Service and the CPD all meet in the woods and see who can find the rabbit?
The case involving the teenager dates back more than 25 years. The "Englewood 4" were arrested in 1994. Almost 19 years ago. For 60 Minutes to report this information and try to blame the CPD of today for any type of improper behavior is unfortunate and irresponsible. It's extremely unlikely that anyone involved in that investigation from over 25 years ago is even still on the job. I'm sure they've retired years ago. They may have even passed away by now! Apparently, 60 Minutes' only intent on this is to make the CPD and law enforcement in general look bad. Why? It's just another battle being waged by the Powers That Be in the war against Police Officers and other public servants and our pensions. Look for more of this type of stuff in the future.
Keep fucking with people but remember people are watching and thank the lord for recording devices.now go commit official misconduct
12/09/2012 12:22:00 AM
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Some officers are so retarded that they will still commit official misconduct.
The SAO put pressure on the cops to put pressure on the suspects to keep their conviction rate looking good. Seems like I remember Felony Review ASAs didn't want to go forward with cases even with evidence and witnesses if they didn't have a signed statement. Partee, O'Malley, Daley, Devine, it was the same policy. Why aren't their feet being held to the fire?
12/09/2012 12:50:00 AM
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Looks like the officers were dumb enough to appease everyone. It is a good thing that I do not need an arrest that bad.
Best advice I ever got on the job is....Just do your 8 and skate. Don't do anymore then required, if someone runs from you wave and go the other way. Go hide and read your paper, better yet go get a degree and do your homework on the cities dime. Don't be a detective it's all bullshit, who needs to get promoted, just look at the clowns that are sergeants and above. Just manage and invest your money wisely and get the fuck out without any bullshit.
Funny how the national spotlight will be pointed once again towards our detective division and interrogations and homicide investigations. The plight of the blue shirts on the street concerns many more people and is more important.
The SAO put pressure on the cops to put pressure on the suspects to keep their conviction rate looking good. Seems like I remember Felony Review ASAs didn't want to go forward with cases even with evidence and witnesses if they didn't have a signed statement. Partee, O'Malley, Daley, Devine, it was the same policy. Why aren't their feet being held to the fire?
Because legally a States Attorney can't be sued. This law should be changed. They can deny charges, do anything they want and we get sued. Abbatte is a goof, but thats what happned there...Vanecko, same thing. We present what we have and they make the decision...then we get stuck with the blame and media attack.
Old retired guy
And again the dark horse rides! How many coppers will be taken down? Boys and girls if its not there don't make it, no matter what the empty brass holsters, and pathetic Sao says! Heard mcnut went crazy and will have iAd and possibly Feds look into this. As civil rights violates, bye pension, bye freedom, bye family,bye IDE, bye house. The question is was it worth it? This job is the only job where the past comes back ten fold, "when you wanted out, you were sucked right back in" arrest on signed complaints only, watch each other, and dammit please think on every thing you do !
We deal with criminals that lie like most people breath, with out a thought. They have no sense of right and wrong and in most cases we handle, there are no real victims.
That being said: Does anybody really believe we are running around putting cases on innocent victims? There are usually multiple offenders involved in any case, and we end up charging only the one we have the best case on. The rest skate, and the pooch in jail stews.
Now comes the scumbag lawyer. Throw a lot of crap on the wall years or decades later and see what sticks. Stories change, cause now we only gotta protect pookie in jail. The others are already off scott free.
So Detectives, am I pretty close? I, for one, am sure you guys don't grab a guy just to close a case. None of these cases are heaters that everyone NEEDS to have solved. It's just one criminal killing another.
Swift is related to the same Swift family who are well known to the 009th district as the "50 strong Gangster Disciples".
How about this since Lovey and Locke Bowman know everything there is to know about investigating crime why doesn't the city and Sts att office hire them along with the Northwestern Project to become felony review and get rid of the 1 yr wonders at felony review and then everything will be transparent as 9.5 says it is
Keep fucking with people but remember people are watching and thank the lord for recording devices.now go commit official misconduct.......
Stay in your mommys basement and off of our blog troll. Adults are talking here.
Can't refute DNA evidence SCC, or the lack of it. It's not the first time a teenager has been wrongfully charged with a crime they didn't commit.
To 922 am. I prefer to run around like Bruce willis in die hard when I'm at work. Hes way more bad Ass. Sometimes I don't even where any shoes at work and dare all the ghetto broken bottles to come near my feet. Yippie kiyyaaaa mother fucker!
"does anyone know the Police Olympics story? Where the FBI the Secret Service and the CPD all meet in the woods and see who can find the rabbit?"
Not far from the truth!
Reading about how the U of C and Northwestern fuck with police and its alleged misconduct, I wonder why they never fuck with the lawyers working as ASAs or the judges whose job it is to maintain impartiality in cases. Always picking on the police. Police are the easy target and,yes, they lack immunity.
Wow Bob Milan sold out the detectives. F#@$ u asshole
Nice job defectives
Interesting. It mostly made Anita Alvarez look like an idiot, which isn't much of a challenge. To be fair, 60 Minutes has always used creative editing to make people look bad.
The same US Justice Department that exonerated US Attorney General Eric Holder and the rest of the fast and furious gang....you got nothing to worry about.
This is a joke. Those animals did dispicable things to the victim in this rape/murder. They didn't rape her with their body parts but rather objects and items that were in the abando. This was THEIR version. She was a crackhead whore carrying a boatload of DNA. She had the misfortune of stumbling upon and stealing their stash of dope. And now they're free and looking for $$. I'm sickened. I'm disgusted by these moron attorneys and their white guilt. They have no concept of what savages Swift and his ilk really are.
In 60 Minutes segement,they said the DNA in the dead 14 year old was matched to a dead serial rapist.
I love it how Alverez,with a straight face,could say it's possible the dead rapist guy could have wandered by and committed necrophilia after the teens committed the murder.
The city needs to just declare bankruptcy now. The lawsuits will be coming by the thousands. Guilty or not, the lawyers will sue and sue and sue. And of course the police officers will also be parties to the suits so line us an attorney to defend you now.
I for one, respect the police - they are the only ones protecting us from the animals out there. I'm sure there are bad ones, because there are bad apples in every segment of society. The connected guys at the top are the evil ones (Daley, Devine, all Crook County politicians like Joe Berrios and his scumbag family). The majority of cops are just like the rest of the everyday honest, hard working public - we are all taking it in the ass for the connected parasites. When the shit hits the fan the politicians are nowhere to be found and the everyman has to pay. Government bankrupt due to rampant corruption and mismanagement? Raise taxes, privatize, grandstand - while their kids and friends keep getting no show jobs, no bid contracts. It's almost like we live in a fake democracy. The connected are like Communist Party members -the ruling elite. Without these fucking crooked politicians, we'd be better off - without the cops battling these animals in these hell hole 3rd world neighborhoods- we are all fucked!
The US government allows drugs into our country! Then officers die or get maimed trying to enforce US drug laws! Why US allows this, it's good for the economy and savages can't get normal jobs. Think about it.
Anonymous said...
Got to do something in order to get into trouble...
12/09/2012 07:50:00 AM
I honestly believed that until I spent the night at 111th and Ellis on a bogus arrest, back when I wasn't the police. I got charged with a domestic and a resisting, neither of which happened. Yeah something precedes being handcuffed, obviously, but I committed no criminal offense when I was arrested. At most, it was an ANOV that got reported as a domestic and resisting. I'm a cop and so is my dad. We all know some cop that will make an arrest and even write some mover and you're like "really dude?"
The Northwestern project would better spend their efforts in finding cold case serial offenders that are still out there.
These pussy ass liberals are piggy backing on the work that has been done.
60 minutes are candy asses also riding coat tails.
Englewood four come from the most violent section of the city. They are not innocent offenders. How many victims were saved from these so called innocent offenders.
Just saying.
Sgt KB isn't a good guy. His ego is what got him in trouble. He was a shit detective and a shit Sgt. A cline boy. He is incompetent and more worried about titles than doing a job. He is a Leo lackey. I don't care but when ALL your cases go to shit that says something. Kenny just retire
If you held down the bitch, buried her in the garbage can but didn't screw her you will walk in 25 years as soon as the witnesses die. And the lawyers will make a hole bunch of sheckles.
it shouldn't matter if they confess or plead the fifth if the evidence is solid against them what difference would it make?
i remember a while ago on division st
three yahoos were running around with crowbars under their coats
i'm sure they were popped for some thing
Anonymous said...
In 60 Minutes segement,they said the DNA in the dead 14 year old was matched to a dead serial rapist.
I love it how Alverez,with a straight face,could say it's possible the dead rapist guy could have wandered by and committed necrophilia after the teens committed the murder.
12/09/2012 06:57:00 PM
I did not see the show but if you are referring to the case I think you are then yes, that is exactly what happened. The 2 little darlings killed the girl and then your friendly neighborhood serial rapist sexually assaulted her. The boys were guilty of murder but the "Revrunds" covered for them. The Detectives knew this and their reports indicated same. Ever wonder why nobody ever took any time or were hit with civil payments? Because they were right.
"Does anyone know the Police Olympics story? Where the FBI the Secret Service and the CPD all meet in the woods and see who can find the rabbit?"
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The Chicago Police captured a bear.
The bear came out of the woods with his hands in the air yelling,
"Don't shoot!
I'm the rabbit!!"
Haaaaaaaa... Classic !!
The past clout babies corruption haunts the future CPD!
Numbers are numbers, if they increase so what?
Not worth prison and no pension!
Don't whore yourselves to the evil cabal!
As always, you will hang alone and destitute!
The US government allows drugs into our country! Then officers die or get maimed trying to enforce US drug laws! Why US allows this, it's good for the economy and savages can't get normal jobs. Think about it.
12/09/2012 07:44:00 PM
by your reasoning, the US government is my bitch.
i like the sound of that.
Chalkie
DNA has sprung many a guilty person. DNA is not the holy grail of exoneration. It must be interpreted properly and these nuances explained to a jury in court. If 4 men are in on a rape/murder and they only find DNA of one person who got away, that does not mean the others are innocent. We know that but that does not sell commercial time or space.
swift has a family of gang members from 50th st in 009th district!The northwestern grad law student said it her self that majority confessions read were babbling words which showed a lot of inconsistency which means offenders are bad lairs even when telling the truth which kills the credibility in offenders confession like his retractions
Anonymous said...
Interesting. It mostly made Anita Alvarez look like an idiot, which isn't much of a challenge. To be fair, 60 Minutes has always used creative editing to make people look bad.
12/09/2012 06:32:00 PM
Alvarez is dumber than a doorknob and that has nothing to do with creative editing.
......now go commit official misconduct. And you sir, go commit yourself. Thank you, CPD
07:24 The city should file bankruptcy? Thats a great idea, then they have no obligation to honor our contract or pension
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
In 60 Minutes segement,they said the DNA in the dead 14 year old was matched to a dead serial rapist.
I love it how Alverez,with a straight face,could say it's possible the dead rapist guy could have wandered by and committed necrophilia after the teens committed the murder.
12/09/2012 06:57:00 PM
I did not see the show but if you are referring to the case I think you are then yes, that is exactly what happened. The 2 little darlings killed the girl and then your friendly neighborhood serial rapist sexually assaulted her. The boys were guilty of murder but the "Revrunds" covered for them. The Detectives knew this and their reports indicated same. Ever wonder why nobody ever took any time or were hit with civil payments? Because they were right.
12/09/2012 09:50:00 PM
The case they were referring to happened in south suburbs,not the one in 007. The dna in suburban case hit on a serial rapist.
Anonymous said...
This is a joke. Those animals did dispicable things to the victim in this rape/murder. They didn't rape her with their body parts but rather objects and items that were in the abando. This was THEIR version. She was a crackhead whore carrying a boatload of DNA. She had the misfortune of stumbling upon and stealing their stash of dope. And now they're free and looking for $$. I'm sickened. I'm disgusted by these moron attorneys and their white guilt. They have no concept of what savages Swift and his ilk really are.
12/09/2012 06:35:00 PM
Since you know so much write better paper.
In 60 Minutes segement,they said the DNA in the dead 14 year old was matched to a dead serial rapist.
I love it how Alverez,with a straight face,could say it's possible the dead rapist guy could have wandered by and committed necrophilia after the teens committed the murder.
12/09/2012 06:57:00 PM
That's what Flloyd Durr did. You still believe that fairy tale that those kids didn't kill Ryan Harris?
HOW did we get to this point?........daley,politicians,judges, democraps. Thats how.
Not a cop. I have had good and bad experiences with police. The good? I got robbed coming home from the Butternut Bakery when I was 11, cops asked me what happened and a cop gave me 20 bucks to replace what was taken. The bad? Leaving a friends house at 2am and the cops pull me into the old station in Wrigleyville, did not allow me to call anyone and keep me in a room until morning telling me I am some rapist on the loose. Finally a black cop comes in and ask what the hell is going on and I get cut loose. Hey I get it, you see the worst of the city day in and day out. But not every black and brown face is a thief, criminal or sexual deviant. Many of us work, have families and provide. In fact, some of us want the same justice the white guys and woman get who are drunk on the weekends while the cops just laugh and put them in a cab home. Like the guy over the weekend who shat on himself and threw it at the police while in lockup. He made it to booking alive. Treat us the same. Now when you do catch the really bad ones, hey, you are authorized to use deadly force.
Bob Milan acting like an activist, thats precious. This scumbag hack is simply a misrable human being. He was Devines boy, lost to Alvarez and finished last. Devine got him a job with Fitgerald at Attorney genetals office, wound up getting fired. Last I heard he was selling burglar alarms.
LOL Bob Milan pulled off the best acting job seen on CBS in years. And I'm sorry, if you sign a 21 page murder/rape confession and think you're going home, you deserve to be locked up for your own protection. 60 minutes is a joke.
I shocked that the 60 Minutes Episode failed to mention that Bob Milan was the ASA who ACTUALLY TOOK the confessions from these defendants. They made it seem like he had nothing to do with the cases and that he was merely commenting on the whole situation. And after he did this, he became the First Assistant State's Attorney. Why didn't he speak up about these confessions that "haunted" him when he was 2nd in command of the SAO years before 60 Minutes came calling?
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