42? Or 44?
No one seems able to count.
The media and the Department insist the total so far is 42.
But the CrimeInChicago website cites 44.
We've found one error in the CrimeInChicago site as they count they police shooting on 07 January. We're assuming the other error is the shooting on the expressway that the Illinois State Police are investigating - if it isn't a Chicago RD number, it probably isn't being counted in the stats.
We're currently researching another incident and may have some info on it later today.
The media and the Department insist the total so far is 42.
But the CrimeInChicago website cites 44.
We've found one error in the CrimeInChicago site as they count they police shooting on 07 January. We're assuming the other error is the shooting on the expressway that the Illinois State Police are investigating - if it isn't a Chicago RD number, it probably isn't being counted in the stats.
We're currently researching another incident and may have some info on it later today.
Labels: stats
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
68 Comments:
42... The one at Chicago state and the other on the expressway does not count for the cpd. Chicago state university police department now has one homicide for the year which is actually the proper way for reporting stats. Expressway counts for ISP district Chicago stats. So the legit number is 42
Chicago Homicides January 2013: City Off To Worst Start Since 2002
At a Tuesday press conference, he noted his officers took more illegal guns off the streets than anywhere else in the country.
(Chicago currently has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, wouldn't we also have "more" illegal guns?)
"... When people get caught with (illegal) guns in New York, they go to jail," McCarthy said, according to the Tribune. "… As a result they're not carrying guns with impunity."
(Unlike in Cook County!)
With still one more day before January ends, the Chicago homicide rate in the first month of 2013 is off to its bloodiest start in more than a decade.
(Way to go, Chalkie!)
Homicides already pushed past 40 by Jan. 28, and during a record-breaking warm spell with temperatures higher than 60 degrees the following day, three more were slain in broad daylight.
(Weather has no impact on crime!)
The whole story is here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/chicago-homicides-january_n_2581915.html?utm_hp_ref=chicago&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl36%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D263953
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City counted the expressway homicide. The one in 004 on 109/Mackinaw from the 29th may have been reclassified as death investigation.
He'll SCC so many killed hard to keep the count right! "Did they kill 42 or 44 seeing. Is how I am the most incompent police superintendent ever, do the citizens feel lucky, why do you targets"
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/
RedEye seems to have a downloadable spread sheet, some including RD numbers, to back up their body count
They have 44
ISP homicide stats go by township, if it happened in Chicago it WILL BE COUNTED!
Don't forget to include CPD morale in that tally.
That oughta be worth a couple regular deaths, no?
Don't forget to include the 12er of Bud Light that McSuds killed last night while on a "field trip" to the Viagara Triangle.
It's 43...one has been reclassified and not submitted yet by the dics
If it's in Chicago, then it should be counted as a Chicago Murder, duh!
The NYPD style works, there's been a decrease in the increase in the decrease of the decrease of the increase in shootings. Also the number seems like a lot but its not it just because there's been an unlucky increase in deaths in the percentage of people who are shot but are usually expected to live so we are just unlucky that they are aiming better so there's actually a decrease in the increase there if you will.
The guy personifies the saying that you can make stats say what you want them too. He should be an SNL skit.
OT....Anyone hear that Glenn Evans has lost his mind as the commander of 3rd District. He recently attended 3rd watch roll call and berated all watch personnel calling everyone useless. Now he's threatening to dump everyone on the tact teams because they aren't stopping these animals from killing each other. Hey Glenny Boy, when your addressing your troups or yelling like an asshole, look them in the eye and stop looking at the ground you coward! Just another example of someone being promoted beyond their capabilities
They cannot agree on the numbers because the City is not through with playing games with the numbers. Maybe that is why the FBI does not accept Chicago Crime Stat numbers. FBI knows Chicago cooks the books on crime reporting. They were killing crime through lies and fraud nearly 30 years ago when I was hired and they are apparently still doing it.
Back then Pam Zekman did a story that not all beats in the city were staffed every day and night.
The City's response?
They enlarged the size of the beats in the City, thus making fewer beats throughout the City and then declared that all the beats are manned.
Not much has changed with the hierarchy, it is just a new crew of snake oil salesmen at the top.
They ARE counting Chicago State's in 005's stats. although it should not be.
Can I get an event #?
Is there any way to track how many of those are with legal guns and how many with illegal guns?
My suspicion is that that stat would show that all are with illegal guns...because a shooting with a legally registered gun by the rightful owner is so rare that it gets its own headline.
The Chicago State University shooting and the Xpwy shooting are both on the stats. The department removed one homicide after the medical examiner ruled it a "natural causes" death even though the girl died after the father hit her several times (don't think that one is going to stay that way though).
CNBC reported today that Chicago has another "little crime Issue". We are now in second place for burglary. Looks like the fine citizens of Chicago were burglarized 26,420 times last year. We are only behind Houston Texas.
If it happened within Chicago's city limits, it is a Chicago homicide. End of story.
It doesn't count against CPD totals? WTF is that BS?
Today's headline in the Sun Times: "Mayor PLEADS for tips leading to the killer.........of another good kid (Hadiya Pendleton) to die from gun violence
Talk about a real low......adults having to PLEAD for information to solve a case like this. Sad, disgusting, pathetic all at the same time.
Well as it was pointed out the shooting
at the university would count against the state (state property) as for the expressway shooting depends on who really patrols it
Heyjackass.com has a body count of 44 using Redeye's numbers which are for the most part pulled from Tribune stories.
The 2 in question - Chicago state and expressway ones, may not count for the CPD, but they took place within the city limits.
OT....Anyone hear that Glenn Evans has lost his mind as the commander of 3rd District. He recently attended 3rd watch roll call and berated all watch personnel calling everyone useless. Now he's threatening to dump everyone on the tact teams because they aren't stopping these animals from killing each other. Hey Glenny Boy, when your addressing your troups or yelling like an asshole, look them in the eye and stop looking at the ground you coward! Just another example of someone being promoted beyond their capabilities
1/31/2013 03:19:00 AM
Yeah, I never worked with Glenn before he came to 003. I just read on here how great he was. But he seems to be missing a few chromosomes. I can appreciate he's the working police. I can't appreciate how he talks and treats EVERYONE in 003.
If he wants people to back him up when he calls for a car, then he needs to treat people with respect. He should know how it works.
Slightly off topic. A great Pulitzeresque example of Tribune coverage from the daily shooting coverage on breaking news.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-gun-violence-chicago-austin-galewood-east-garfield-park-university-village-little-italy-gresham-20130131,0,483401.story
A 23-year-old man was shot in the leg and groin in the 3400 block of West Walnut Street just before 8 p.m. in the East Garfield Park neighborhood. He was on a porch when three men, one with a gun, approached and told him and one other person not to move.
They moved, and one of the three shot the 23-year-old, police said. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital and he’s in good condition.
4 Woman beaten to death in Gresham
Not a murder, ME said it was natural causes. She was punched in face by father but they say that didn't kill her when she died minutes later.
That's a lot of lost socialist democrat votes.
But don't worry. They'll breed more.
Tune in tonight channel 2 10pm....Pam does it gain
Homan Square still hides police officers as commander secreary and office clerks while children are gunned down . Shame on McCarthy and Rahm .
And again where are these false prophets, jk Sharpton flagger. Devil has their tongue. When are they gonna tell the black people to stop killing each other.
Will news media ask Rahm if Chicago Police drive his kids to and from school ?
Remember the poor blacks don't need guns to protect their children .
Was gun that killed girl in high publicity shooting purchased legally. King School shooting... girl gunned down shortly after attending Obama Inauguration?
Anonymous said...
42... The one at Chicago state and the other on the expressway does not count for the cpd. Chicago state university police department now has one homicide for the year which is actually the proper way for reporting stats. Expressway counts for ISP district Chicago stats. So the legit number is 42
No... The 'legit' number should be 44, both occurred within the city. Just because its not a Shitcago RD number is reason it isn't counted as ours
Center for American Progress’ Christie Hefner: Climate change a factor in Chicago’s murder rate
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/
Anonymous said...
OT....Anyone hear that Glenn Evans has lost his mind as the commander of 3rd District. He recently attended 3rd watch roll call and berated all watch personnel calling everyone useless. Now he's threatening to dump everyone on the tact teams because they aren't stopping these animals from killing each other. Hey Glenny Boy, when your addressing your troups or yelling like an asshole, look them in the eye and stop looking at the ground you coward! Just another example of someone being promoted beyond their capabilities
1/31/2013 03:19:00 AM
Glen is nuts. There's no doubt about that.
But, that doesn't mean that what he is saying isn't true. Looking at this department, particularly the south side districts, the everyday police work is a fucking embarrassment. Case reports for shootings and homicides are a disgrace. They're below a 4th grade level. Go to the scene of any violent incident and all you see is a bunch of patrol and tact standing around doing nothing. No one gets stopped. Hell, the POs don't even ASK anyone if they saw anything. Not only do POs make no attempt to keep witnesses, they go out of their way to avoid finding witnesses. If its below 50 degrees or above 65 degrees, almost all POs sit in their car the whole time.
Calling most POs useless is just a nice way of saying it.
Blame McCarthy or Rahm if it makes you feel better, but the decline in this department rests solely with the people on it. Blame civil suits that OTHER cops have had for your laziness if you like, but the real culprit is that most cops love doing nothing.
So, what new fines, fees, taxes, and licenses has Rahm and the city council come up with today, anything?
Hey I have an idea.
Since the mentality of the city is to ticket, fine, and fee the working class to death, because they are the weak ones, and to make up for the failures in controlling the violence. How about we pass a new fine for leaving a dead body on the street!!
Yeah, fine the person(s) that lives in the homes where the dead body lies outside on the street. I'll bet the mayor can get it passed as some sort of littering or anti-dumping ordinance.
I mean we could try and fine the people doing the violence but everyone knows that they have no money or assets (in the traditional sense that we know of)
There's a new source of revenue for ya!
who cares what the fucken number of hommie-cides are!!! its up there and we beat them all...i heard its safer in iraq...lol lol
They've got to get it straight. Chalkie gets highly agitated when people question his numbers.
I know for a fact that Cpd got credit for the Csu murder. Not sure about the expressway murder.
I am awaiting the media to point out that there has been 5 drive-by homicides, in the last two years, within a mile of the well protected Obama mansion and the headquarters of the Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr. and Operation Push.
The location of these murders are 45th & Oakenwald, 47th & Woodlawn, 50th & Drexel, 51st & Ingleside and 52nd & Kenwood.
It is also interesting that neither Obama nor Jackson has spoken out about these crimes!
Needless to say that none of these heinious events have been solved because for some unknown reason no one from the community has stepped forth to provide any information to the detectives investigating. I wonder why they are not cooperating?
So the Expressways are no longer in Chicago.
As my grandma used to say:
Figures Lie and Liars Figure...
Spin doctors suck ass.
If the report comes from 35th street you know it's a lie. When they need a good story like the recovery of guns the numbers are always high. When they report the murders they always try to keep them low fudging a few. you know "representative murders"
I am amazed and afraid of the stupidity shown on this site. Log on clear and check the major incident log. The expressway homocide is not being counted. Stop talking out of your ass.
McCarthy's new strategy is to magically raise every homocide victim 20ft in the air and then state it didn't happen on chicago streets.
Glen is nuts. There's no doubt about that.
But, that doesn't mean that what he is saying isn't true. Looking at this department, particularly the south side districts, the everyday police work is a fucking embarrassment. Case reports for shootings and homicides are a disgrace. They're below a 4th grade level. Go to the scene of any violent incident and all you see is a bunch of patrol and tact standing around doing nothing. No one gets stopped. Hell, the POs don't even ASK anyone if they saw anything. Not only do POs make no attempt to keep witnesses, they go out of their way to avoid finding witnesses. If its below 50 degrees or above 65 degrees, almost all POs sit in their car the whole time.
Calling most POs useless is just a nice way of saying it.
Blame McCarthy or Rahm if it makes you feel better, but the decline in this department rests solely with the people on it. Blame civil suits that OTHER cops have had for your laziness if you like, but the real culprit is that most cops love doing nothing.
1/31/2013 09:45:00 AM
I totally get where you are coming from and to some extent I can understand where Glen is coming from despite his inability to be articulate.
However, one has to realize that the officers and how they act and how they perform is all reflects the current state of the department.
You will always have your dogs. You will always have workers.
Unfortunately, some workers weren't treated fairly, so now the department reaps what it sows.
The main thing is, we have no reason to care.
I am awaiting the media to point out that there has been 5 drive-by homicides, in the last two years, within a mile of the well protected Obama mansion and the headquarters of the Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr. and Operation Push.
The location of these murders are 45th & Oakenwald, 47th & Woodlawn, 50th & Drexel, 51st & Ingleside and 52nd & Kenwood.
It is also interesting that neither Obama nor Jackson has spoken out about these crimes!
Needless to say that none of these heinious events have been solved because for some unknown reason no one from the community has stepped forth to provide any information to the detectives investigating. I wonder why they are not cooperating?
1/31/2013 10:59:00 AM
Obama addressed Chicago's handgun murders in his last photo op with the press and the Big City CHiefs, when they met about gun reform.
Apart from that, your post is worth repeating. The code of silence is alive and well out there, on the street, among the victims and offenders.
Expressway murder is counted against the 012th District, but no RD pulled by CPD. ISP pulled their own non-CPD# because it's their investigation.
OT- CompStat tip....04,06 & 07 up next week.
We are carrying both at CSU and the expressway murders on our sheets.
Maybe I missed it but how come there's no reporting about the inside shooting a block away from the governor's house ?
On the Northwest Side, a 56-year-old man was shot in the head around 10:45 p.m. in the 1800 block of North Natchez Avenue in the Galewood neighborhood. Police first believed it was an attempted suicide, but detectives later determined someone had shot him, Police News Affairs Officer Amina Greer said. He was taken to Loyola, Greer said.
What About the 5 homicides within 5miles of Obama's residence and Jackson's headquarters!
Why hasn't the media reported on same?
Dear Rahm and Garry ,please don't kill the messanger ,but wait til you see what I have in store for February .
Sorry in advance.
Chalkie.
If it happened in Chicago, it's a murder in chicago.
If Cook County Sheriff's police start handling murders in Chicago, which is in Cook County, do they count as murders in Cook County or murders Chicago.
The murder at Chicago State? Well it was CPD who caught the bad guys. It happened within the City. And CPD were at that basketball game.
Stop fiddling with the numbers and call it what it is.
Re 003
Get your facts straight
Ge didnt scream at no PO that was lt kj
399 not 300
Second 003 sucks and that tact team is a huge embarrassment
I heard a lot of workers love ge and dogs hate him
And I heard he is gonna dump a bunch of tact mutts so bye bye 360 teams
And I heard he told the tact teams to their faces and put a notice in Co book so that doesnt. Sound cowardly to me
The commander of 003 allegedly going to third watch berating the watch is a big lie
In fact he posted a notice in the Co book thanking the officers for their work
and I heard he got a bunch of guys moved to better spots
The negative posts sound like a bunch of guys getting dumped
He has been nothing but decent boss
The boss that ripped the third district third watch a new asshole was lt Johnson. Evans had
Nothing to do with it.
Ot 006 you are getting a real pos with forgue.
Enjoy
003 doesn't back anyone not even each other.
Worst district in city
Anonymous said...
OT....Anyone hear that Glenn Evans has lost his mind as the commander of 3rd District. He recently attended 3rd watch roll call and berated all watch personnel calling everyone useless. Now he's threatening to dump everyone on the tact teams because they aren't stopping these animals from killing each other. Hey Glenny Boy, when your addressing your troups or yelling like an asshole, look them in the eye and stop looking at the ground you coward! Just another example of someone being promoted beyond their capabilities
1/31/2013 03:19:00 AM
Glen is nuts. There's no doubt about that.
But, that doesn't mean that what he is saying isn't true. Looking at this department, particularly the south side districts, the everyday police work is a fucking embarrassment. Case reports for shootings and homicides are a disgrace. They're below a 4th grade level. Go to the scene of any violent incident and all you see is a bunch of patrol and tact standing around doing nothing. No one gets stopped. Hell, the POs don't even ASK anyone if they saw anything. Not only do POs make no attempt to keep witnesses, they go out of their way to avoid finding witnesses. If its below 50 degrees or above 65 degrees, almost all POs sit in their car the whole time.
Calling most POs useless is just a nice way of saying it.
Blame McCarthy or Rahm if it makes you feel better, but the decline in this department rests solely with the people on it. Blame civil suits that OTHER cops have had for your laziness if you like, but the real culprit is that most cops love doing nothing.
1/31/2013 09:45:00 AM
Thanks for the advice, can't wait until your book on policing comes out. Most coppers would have never thought, that if they just asked nicely, the fine citizens of the ghetto would be happy to offer assistance. The clearance rate would be 100%. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for these useless and lazy police you describe, I bet there wouldn't be any crime in the city of Chicago. Thanks again, your analysis was brilliant.
Now, I have a few small pieces of advice for you. First thing, immediately cut your balls off so you can never procreate. Next, go back to whatever fucking planet you came from you stupid asshole.
"Slightly off topic. A great Pulitzeresque example of Tribune coverage from the daily shooting coverage on breaking news.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-gun-violence-chicago-austin-galewood-east-garfield-park-university-village-little-italy-gresham-20130131,0,483401.story
"A 23-year-old man was shot in the leg and groin in the 3400 block of West Walnut Street just before 8 p.m. in the East Garfield Park neighborhood. He was on a porch when three men, one with a gun, approached and told him and one other person not to move.
"They moved, and one of the three shot the 23-year-old, police said. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital and he’s in good condition.
1/31/2013 07:51:00 AM
Yes, I stopped when I saw that too.
"Police said that the victims moved?" Mm. Or maybe just a little creative writing?
Have Fact Check look this up in the dictionary, huh?
Sorry in advance.
Chalkie.
1/31/2013 08:29:00 PM
love is never having to say you're sorry.
now, say you're sorry for saying you're sorry.
(i'll let you slide, for callin' me out my name, this time.)
Chalkie
What a city? Burke wants to go after monster drinks instead of siccing the cops on the true monsters on the street!!!
And I heard he is gonna dump a bunch of tact mutts so bye bye 360 teams
And I heard he told the tact teams to their faces and put a notice in Co book so that doesnt. Sound cowardly to me
1/31/2013 09:09:00 PM
And replace them with who? More 368 ninja's?
Re 003
Get your facts straight
Ge didnt scream at no PO that was lt kj
399 not 300
You mean 301,the departmnet doesnt have a 99 call sign at this time.
The only time we hear anything from Glen Evans or "GE" is when he is berating us.
I hope he congratulated the mission team on days for getting the offender and gun involved in the homicide. I doubt it though, he probably bitched at him with his head down and asked why they didn't prevent it in the first place.
He's the black McCarthy.
Chalkie needs to make an appearance at a Compstat meeting and set McFailure and his flunkies straight.
Chalkie needs to make an appearance at a Compstat meeting and set McFailure and his flunkies straight.
2/01/2013 04:00:00 PM
i don't do special orders.
they upset me.
Chalkie
MAYBE just maybe that might be part of THE problems at the morgue and Burrow Ridge?
They can't count?
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