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Word from a reliable source says the recruits currently in their training cycles will all be assigned to foot posts at west and south side "hot spots" upon completion of the three months.
Brilliant - kids with zero street smarts and the barest minimum of training on fixed foot posts in the worst neighborhoods Chicago has to offer. And since the FTO program is in shambles, the "minimum of training" might actually be an exaggeration.
Brilliant - kids with zero street smarts and the barest minimum of training on fixed foot posts in the worst neighborhoods Chicago has to offer. And since the FTO program is in shambles, the "minimum of training" might actually be an exaggeration.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
243 Comments:
Rookie on a foot post in the ghetto is bad news. Way too over zealous at that age and the feeling if being indestructible will get them hurt. Bad idea
Like pigs to slaughter! This is getting worse,wonder how comcrap meeting will go today knashing of teeth! Was at HQ yesterday Wednesday all the talk was about another innocent getting murdered by obamas house! Wonder if heads will roll,when the screaming goof gets done? Will be SOS nothing will change,another new bullshit strategy maybe? Lol!
dumb.
really, really dumb.
if anybody knows dumb, i do.
Chalkie
"Brilliant - kids with zero street smarts and the barest minimum of training on fixed foot posts in the worst neighborhoods Chicago has to offer."
But they'll be armed with "legitimacy training" and possibly verbal judo.
Those targets, uh, PPO's will be fine!
rb
Forget the foot patrol......Bring back the jump out boys!!!!
Let's call it "Operation IMPACT".
I remember the anticipation of leaving the Academy. Couldn't wait to get out there and learn everything, do everything, fly into the hot calls, ask all the questions, make a difference.
But take that kind of enthusiasm and chain it to a foot post, McStupidIdeas.
They won't need street smarts or extensive training to request event numbers for fixed posts and to write parkers and ANOVs.
And you're 100% correct about the [lack of an] FTO program being in shambles. Take a gander at what the requirements are, and see if jumping through those hoops and having to be responsible for babysitting a PPO in this day and age is worth the pittance they call FTO stipend.
Thanks, but no thanks. Even if I worked in a training district, I prefer to remain 99. I can see the department having to fill FTO spots by reverse seniority because enough people didn't sign-up. Stranger things have happened.
There was an FTO meeting at the FOP hall which RA tried to feel what the FTO's really want out of the contract and city. Didnt like FTO comments on the doubling up of ppo with ftos. This is another cluster fk. FTO test come one come all south or 11. confused
So F.T.O's will be stuck on hotspots wasting manpower.
Brilliant may be the recruits can shoot out lights while wasting 9 hours of taxpayers money.
And of course keep "the Kids safe."
This baptism of fire should bite Rahm squarely in the ass when one of the 90 day wonders that passed their psych exam by virture of who they're related to panics and lights up the corner just as a play rev is walking the choir out to the lot after practice
Their blood will be on the hands of the clout hack who implemented this idiocy and the boss who signs off on it.
it sounds like our mayor--- zero experience, doesn't know shit, soft as puppy shit, hallucinating.....
Hopefully this is a ridiculous rumor
Sitting ducks. Not a good idea. If they think a recruit with a new gunbelt, new weapon and a new crispy uniform is going to deter crime, they are just plain dumb.
What are the best districts for new PPOs to be assigned right after the academy? 011? 015? Thanks for any advice you could pass along!
That is the dumbest idea ever. I can see putting the recruits downtown surrounded by high rises, resturants and crowds of decent people. But to put them in the hood surrounded by savages, filth and the possibility of injury is absolutely absurd. Place the recruits where tax payers and decent people deserve and will appreciate their presence. Not in a hell hole.
Well then I guess its up to us in these worst of the worst areas to educate these FNGs..and watch out for them ..welcome to police department ..maybe Gary will show you how to find a gun...Lmao
Hopefully this is a ridiculous rumor
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NOT a rumor - Escalante is addressing all of the District staff meetings and telling the white shirts it is coming. He told us last week
Go back to New York,mcstupid
How stupid can they be? Not only are they putting a target on these kids backs, they're looking at future lawsuits because of inexperienced officers ( no offense meant) in situations they've never been in yet, and may not react the way an older, wiser one would.
like walk and talk in Cabrini Green in the early 70's?...are they fucking kidding? #201
How many educated idiots did it take to come up with this idea.
What are the best districts for new PPOs to be assigned right after the academy? 011? 015? Thanks for any advice you could pass along!
1/31/2013 03:45:00 AM
The best districts are with the cfd.
I'm not so worried about overzealous PPOs chasing when discretion would be better - though I do know it will happen on occasion. More concerned about what they DON'T know - like recognizing hand-to-hands, local gangs, etc. Just standing there and not knowing what to SEE, or what means what around them. Policing is as much operational art as it is educated skills, especially in this city with such a rich and lengthy gang history. Will these kids even know what to look for, or what nuances to pick up? Doubtful. And stuck on a footpost, their influence is confined to the roughly 10 yards in any direction.
This is incredibly stupid!!
aw man... that's hazing your pledges
Sgt classes ?
I hope and pray that this rumor is not true. But with this department you never know. So in case this happens we will do everything in our power to protect the younger officers.
Once you hit the streets whether you have your first day on the job or today is your last day on the job, you are a part of this unique fraternity called the BROTHERHOOD. We are family and we watch out for each other.
This will be another pr news media event op for Rahm and Co. announcing yet another crime fighting strategy to quell all the current violence. The news media should gobble it up.
That's the equivalent of pulling people out of basic training and putting them on a foot post in Afghanistan. Oh wait, Chicago is more dangerous . Never mind.
Great lesson to the fresh new people. This city doesn't give a fuck about you or your safety.
I wonder how a federal judge will deal with a lawsuit if one of these recruits are injured or killed. No field training, no FTO and thrown to the wolves. There is definitely a lack of brains at city hall and 35th St.
From a troll: So where is your FOP on this? If this true your leadership problem is bigger than it seems to be based on my reading of this blog over the past few years. It is bigger than we citizens have with the corrupt, lying, cheating, stealing politicians who permeate this state from Cairo to Rockford and most points in between.
Heard from someone in the know.The recruits not be on the streets alone. They will be mixed in withe the 200 officers that are being reassigned from desk to street. Since there is a real shortage of cars this is the short term answer
Is that how they do it in New Yawk? When will this fucking goof leave?
During Rahms campaign more than once he talked about his uncle being a retired copper. Maybe he should talk to his uncle and his uncle can tell him what a shit idea this is.
Proof that the city thinks taxpayers are worthless. They'll even send brand new tax payers out to take a bullet as long as gang-banging booboo is fine. AssWads.
PANIC! When you don't know what else to do, send in the probationary police officers and hope for the best. Yes, a real bad idea.
honor roll students gunned down and politicians shed tears ,during family visit .
never let a good crises go to waste.
My dad said I'm going to 018. :(
This is a terrible idea, but the FTO program or lack there off, has ALWAYS been a mess.
The majority of FTO's are people nobody else wants to work with and may or may not have much understanding of the job.
Everyone goes through a trial by fire getting through their probation. Then you can only hope and pray that you will find a partner and your watch will let you work together. If not everyday is a shit-fart gamble in terms of who you spend you day with in a small car.
Rahmmy gonna martyr those kids.
Over 2,500 people shot last year and this 15 y/o girl that goes to one of Rahmmy's charter schools get's shot on a block where a bunch of Harvard lawyers and business owners live and it's alligator tears and photo-ops all over the place.
Not to mention that the kid had connections to Obama by playing in a school band at his inaugural and a family member in CPD.
Feel sorry that any kid gets hurt but this reaction is very telling about who gets police service and who doesn't.
Oh she was destine for great things and the emotional play-up in the media. The nation is outrage!!!
Wonder how that makes the families that lost love ones over the last few years feel. Sure a lot of them were gang-banging mutts but it certainly cannot be ALL of them.
If you family doesn't have thousands of dollars to put up for a bounty or a social status that enables one to send their kid to Paris, Rahm doesn't give a shit.
Too little too late for Rahm's re-election plans I'm afraid.
You let this brew for years in the community.
Now all of a sudden the headlines and news blubs is that RAHM has announced plans to put 200 more cops on the streets. NOT GARRY, RAHM!
Shows you how poorly the department resources have been managed if all of a sudden you have 200 more cops doesn't it?
It's time both of these guys go.
Election time can't come soon enough.
Rahm's so scared that the media is telling us that he spent an hour with the girls family! Why is she so special? MONEY! CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS?!
It makes me sick! Get in there for the photo-ops with all the aldermen and cry like a man right out of central casting. Don't waste the crisis.
Hmm, interesting! Maybe the powers that be figure that if they put PPOs on foot in bad areas, the other officers will hang out in that area to make sure the PPOs are alright.
Nothing like using the life of a PPO as bait to get what you want. Welcome to the job, kid!
Oh, and when you get hurt, kid, don't expect and kind of decent medical care or compassion from the city or department.
Who has the body bag contract with the city???
Father Pfleger and Revrun' Meeks Pray for us!!
Well, Mc FuckNuts. This is another fine mess you got us into.
This is a really horrible idea, I can see this STUPID FUCKING IDEA coming from Rahm himself.
One of those kids is going to be killed or do something really bad and get thrown to the wolves (media. the rev'runs, and grandstanding politicians)
And, IT WON'T WORK !!
Les S, still proud of your prick nephew?
The best district to be assigned to? Wow, lets see. If memory serves me correctly its anywhere where McCluster and Rham-a-Dham aren't in charge.
Anonymous said...
it sounds like our mayor--- zero experience, doesn't know shit, soft as puppy shit, hallucinating.....
1/31/2013 02:28:00 AM
Obama's the mayor? Oh! This is Obama's brain!
ECS
" CANNON FODDER "
The brilliance of CPD brass stupidity has no bounds.
We need TRU back. They were brave.
Relax, foot posts in 011 all get cars, and don't get calls unless all other cars are down on something.
I lived in a shit neighborhood in Brooklyn. There are very few, if any, gangways. The buildings are closer to the street and traffic is slow because there are lights at every other intersection. Tactically you could be a foot cop there and do all right. Few drive-byes there and no open lots or alleys or gang ways to hide in. It's different geographically and it makes all the difference. Chicago streets are set up in a different way - foot patrol only works in downtown or commercial area.
I was an FTO back in the late 90's when they got away from the patrol specialist program. The program was doomed from the start. Being an FTO SHOULD be a stepping stone to higher rank. There are so many good coppers out there who know how to be the police and can pass that knowledge along. Instead what you have is a program that too many good people want to avoid and too many people who shouldn't even be on the job are now trying (or not trying) to pass on their lack of knowledge. Given the state of the leadership on the CPD, I thick think these problems won't be solved until unicorns fly over rainbows.
But I thought crime was down.
Also McFailure keeps repeating that his countless strategies are working slowly but surely...... yeah right.
They're grasping at straws right now.
Bad idea I hope nobody gets hurt.
This sounds like something out of "Police Academy", not real life. Someone is going to get hurt or killed.
dept has less than 30 ftos. academy was working on getting a new fto test going, wont cost anything would be conducted in house, graded same day. hq dosent want any pos pulled off of street for fto training. prefer to pay out of grade than cut the manpower on street.
Who cares about above nonsense? Did you see your recent tax bills? Only liabilities mentioned are our Pension Liabilities!!! To get the tax layers to revolt against us! FOP what is going on with these propaganda tax bills?
What a great learning experience!
isn't this the "jump out" boys 2.0? Same concept, put recruits in shit hole districts for the people who pay little to no taxes while the civilians including us get little to no police or city services! Brilliant! screw the middle class while the poverty class gets everything and clout class divide the money between themselves!
how dumb is that, putting rookies on these so called hot spots? i mean who was the brainiac that thought of that? come on Mcduffus....thats not gonna work! some bodies gonna get hurt and or kilt!!!! why dont you take an hour or two and go work them so called hot spots you know what we mean...be the police for once...go answer a few 5th floor domestics where you gotta lock up 300lb bubba, go break up a few boys in the hood fights! come on get dirty dont be scurrred!!!! ahh what the fuck you know that aint gonna happen....go back where you came from!
Going to be interesting when one of the new lone rangers light up a street corner with maybe 3 or 4 dead young perps.
But we can really use this crisis.
If a cop gets hurt it's a photo-op where the gun control agenda can be exploited. And it can be used to "win the hearts and minds" of the taxpayers.
A political win-win.
to the one inquiring on where ppo's should go....it dont matter where you go there is crime/killings every where..look at the fucken NEWS! worry about staying safe while writing contact cards KID!!!!
where are the 200 coming from this time?
Didn't thry try this once before under Cline's tenure? What is old will be new again. This time the results may be more catastropic. There were many poor judgement mistakes the first time, a good dozen recruits with one fto or sgt. They are bringing back Weiss' Philly experiment of foot patrol? If it works there it has to work here as seasoned officers won't go on foot in the area of the city where the police department is an army of occupation.
A lot of PPOs are gonna get hurt if they impliment this.
Bring back the original Task Force concept of the '70's. Give them the free hand we had back then. Difference is back then we had bossess that backed the troops. It'll never happen again and it is a shame. A powerless police forcenow exists.a police force that criminals do not respect and criminals know weakness and prey on it. A retired guy that has been there and did it.....
Maybe its a way for the mayor to say
1.He hired additional manpower.
2.He put police in high crime areas.
3.The police he hired didn't like the job and quit.
4.He's working on hiring more officers, while saving the city money.
5.He should hire more "CEASEFIRE" members.
6'All this while he's stalling till after his next election.
BETTER IDEA
Make people who call 911 pay $5 cash per call, even the entitlements. Only the people that need the police will call. They will leave these people lying in the streets, police could make them "Death Investigation". This will lower crime rate and also murder count. It will generate more money for the city, and show an excess of manpower. Therefore it will show that a NEW strategy is working.
-Off Topic-
http://www.suntimes.com/news/17904432-418/obamas-pray-for-hadiyas-family-mccarthy-pledges-to-find-killer.html?intcmp=emailheadlines
With all due respect to the victim, the only reason this made 'headline news' across the nation, is purely for the fact that Hadiya was part of a group that performed at Oshithead's inauguration! Had she not, this would've gone down as just "another" Chicago homicide! And now, Garry McUpTheButt "vows" to find the shooter? Some shithead's gonna take the blame, whether he was the shooter or not...!
But hey, mayor ballerina-slippers now has another crisis to take advantage of... Assclown!
crown hats and 80/20 pants-no ticket books just police legitimacy policing in practice!
Guys and girls, they are going to assign at least one veteran police officer with each group of recruits. And because the recruits will be out of their training cycles, no FTO pay. With or without the pay, it is not worth it.
Send them to 018,We will show them how to process Shoplfters.
I sure hope this is some type of a joke. This is very dangerous to place these guys in harms way with no experience just to help McCarthy's legacy. Bad idea!
12:57 AM
The NYPD has a strategy of assigning rookies just out of the academy on foot patrol in the most violent crime infested precincts like Brooklyn's 73rd Pct. (Brownsville) and 75th Pct. (East New York).
The NYPD calls it "IMPACT"
At 19 comments at the time of this post, the consensus seems to be this is a really bad idea.
As a citizen, I wonder if it could be the case or if it would make any difference if it where the case that the Academy was admitting combat vets from Iraq & Afganistan and upon graduation deploying them exclusively to the worse neighborhoods in Beriut on the Midway?
Not to take anything away from the street smarts and hard lessons learned from the REAL police in these Districts, but couldn't the goal be complimented by both REAL police and recuits with (REAL) combat experience?
If so, I am assuming this is the caliber & background of the Academy recuits deploying to these neighborhoods; that's probably not the case.
If that's not the case, sending Academy recuits from the civilian or non-combat military ranks to a babtism-by-fire in these neighborhood indeed seems like a recipe for disaster.
Maybe Mcheresanotherdumbidea can put himself on one of those foot posts. He doesn't have much street time himself.
1122hrs today, yet ANOTHER new 'crime strategy' is announced by McFailure and the dear leader.
Redeploying administrative sworn to sat teams. Yeah, right.
Pressure is coming from the Whitehouse. The homicides are making BO look bad. Mr Hollywood told tiny dancer to get something done.Rookies on foot patrol is a very Bad idea!
Are these deskspots coming from Headquarters or the district desks? does anyone know...
I never thought Escalante would be part of this.
The NYC program of sending NYPD rookies into the most dangerous neighborhoods is called OPERATION IMPACT.
First off this is probably not even a true story. Secondly, the new guys are in danger most of the time anyway. Why? Because they almost always get stuck working with dog asses, sleepy-heads, PO's that couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, FTO's that are more interested in everything else other than training and safety and the rest of the lot that are worthless.
Anybody that's ever worked in a training district or around PPO's cant deny this. Of course this isn't the case 100% of the time but it happens more often than not.
Can't blame that on the Mayor...that's our own putting each other at risk.
I remember a night after I had been on the job about 2 months I tried to disperse a bunch of savages partying in a nice park on beat 2212--thought showing them my star would get them to comply. I got chased down the block until I took my shit out and then they whipped bottles at me, got in their cars and took off, long before help showed.
This is a really bad idea.
Supposedly Rahm and McFailure had a press conference this morning to announce re-deployment of 200 administrative officers to street duty.
Where are they getting these bodies from and where are they getting the civilians that supposedly will take over the officers old jobs? Will any of the press dare ask these valid questions or will they swallow Rahm and McFailure's smoke and mirrors without question?
This is a hair brained idea if I ever heard one.
Can we give both of these idiots a vote of no confidence?
What are the best districts for new PPOs to be assigned right after the academy? 011? 015? Thanks for any advice you could pass along!
1/31/2013 03:45:00 AM
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Neither; go to a district with real taxpayers and help prevent the animals from coming in and destroying what is left of this city.
So. Did it in the wood in 92. 55th to 59 th Ashland to marshfield. Had 1 yr out. It's ok. That's the way you become the real police.
Well, the bangers also feel that they are indestructible so it sounds like they and the newly minted officers are evenly matched.
It's like basic training in the military during Viet Nam. When you graduated you were "pipelined" to Nam to shoot and be shot at, no OJT or grace period.
Sounds like the 7th Calvary to me.
here we go all desk people out on street ha ha ha
What are the best districts for new PPOs to be assigned right after the academy? 011? 015? Thanks for any advice you could pass along!
Sorry to tell you this but there is no best dist. 015 has that goof for a commander who used to be in 011. All she cares about is her SPOT. But there are good cops there who will help you out.
Even in 011, a once great place to work suxs now. All you gonna learn how to do is event numbers and contact cards. Contact cards are all bullshit, and ask any cop on a beat he will tell you this. A guy in the academy or a boss will tell you otherwise.
Best advise any police officer can give you is, don't do anything to put yourself in jail. Everyone has a cell phone and everyone is looking for a lawsuit in the ghetto. Stay safe collect your paycheck and go home to your family.
Now go ahead and bash me all you young guys, tell me to retire and I get paid to do my job. I used to love to go to work get a gun, hot car, warrant, drugs. None of that counts anymore. When you are doing this activity and the DSS then tells you that you don't have enough contact cards ON YOUR BEAT, there is something wrong.
After 20 years I will just answer my calls, when you show me a quota for anything else come talk to me.
Now can I have an event number for a nap at 4600 Kinzie please.
Fuck no bad idea. They're gonna get one of these kids fucking killed. Bullshit.
Okay SCC. You don't want the new kids on the block out there on fixed foot posts in the worst areas of the city. Fine, but I wonder how many good, experienced officers would actually accept this type of assignment. God knows those are the guys and gals we really need out there.
These are areas in the city where the Supt comes in whirls around like a little tornado, surrounded by his posse, and then leaves. If this is true, he truly has no idea what the streets of Chicago are like. Even after being here and witnessing the carnage this city has to offer. A young police officer will die and a bright future for his or her family will be crushed. These thugs know the streets, alleys, gangways, yards and open and closed fences. They know our response time when a PO is calling for help. They can disappear into a building with 150 apts and almost everyone is willing to hide them or a gun. Most of the time at two seprerate places within a minute. It's like this guy has never been the police or knows how the ghetto streets roll. Sad, I will look out and sit with a PPO in between jobs if he or she is at a shit corner. That means no pro-active work between jobs. We shall protect ourselves first, as we always do, be safe.
Carothers resigned!
The brilliance from above is routinely met with ignorance and ego. This is simply another matter where the political hack presently holding the rank of superintendent will espouse “does anyone want to challenge me on this brilliant idea? Anyone?” And all of those in attendance will sit quietly by and let it happen. This is only being done because no one will tell him this is a horrible idea, one laced with danger and liability, and quite obviously done because recruits;
A) Generally won't complain
B) Don't have full union representation yet
C) Have the crap scared into them that they can and will be fired for anything so keep their mouths shut and get through their 18 months
D) Haven’t been on the street long enough to know the real danger of this,
E) Might actually buy into the concept that this idea comes from the best and brightest who worked themselves all the way to the highest ranks of the Department so as to be utilized to the fullest potential of their brilliance, savvy, knowledge, experience, bravery and so should seek to emulate their very being and strive to achieve similar greatness.
Ok, so I almost choked on the lat one, but the beginning of it was the point. The bottom line is that this is probably going to happen because the brilliance of 35th Street cannot think beyond the hair on their heads. They are grasping for anything to say they are developing “strategies” to combat the wave of violence gripping this City, but more so, because a drowning man will grasp at a dry leaf floating on the surface of the pond in order to try and save himself. In this case... themselves, and the leaf will end up being an anchor.
I'll be damned if I'll let it go as put forth by the brain-trust. It will be incumbent on us to forgo hanging in 7-11 or watching the dog walkers in the park or setting up on the tip the one-bagger gave us last night to see if there might be an ounce of truth to his lies and go hang near the recruit and his or her assigned foot route. We might actually keep them alive and hopefully teach them a thing or two about what to look for, react to or actually ignore.... only because making something out of some typical nonsense is counterproductive and a huge wast of manpower and resources. Lets plan to be their backup for a while since the stupidity continues to flow and is picking up speed.
A Word to the Wise...Dont get in any footchases. Period!
Dont go indoors anywhere, alone. Ever!
If they run, call it in. Dont turn any corners in pursuit, ever!
Your end game is to go home, Period!
You'll soon learn that the people running this Dept. really dont have a clue...
G-D bless and good luck.
Hopefully this is just a rumor.
Gerry and Rahm are in full panic mode. There latest "strategy" is to add 2 new sat teams to every area, quietly bringing the numbers back to TRU/MSF proportions.
One or more of those new police officers WILL be hurt or worse if this is allowed. Are all PPO's going to assigned. What about the clouted (every class seems to have some)? All watches? How many will be assigned to FTO's per watch? This is very near sighted at the very least. What positive purpose does this serve? Or are these new officers going to be threatened into writing ANOV's and parkers to appease McShitforbrains and his master? This looks like criminally negligent behavior by the CPD. Is it done like that in New Yawk?
if the pit of animals that these new officers are going to get dropped into don't think twice of shooting at a police officer what does Tiny Dancer expect them to do?
remember these are new officers not experienced officers
watch the causalities list grow
"But they'll be armed with "legitimacy training" and possibly verbal judo."
rb
1/31/2013 12:28:00 AM
"Hi! How ya doing! Where are we? Do you feel OK today? Are you drinking soda? That's good. It's good to drink lots of fluids. Are you happy? I'm happy too! Look! there's a bird!
"Is that a real skull you have on that stick there? Gee! That's really cool!
"Uh, Sir, I need you to help me out a little here. You need to, like, kind of, stay where you are?
"Sir?
"SIR!"
>cue up theme music< "Livin' just enough, just enough for the citaaay..."
Can you say " Sitting Ducks"
Shortage of CPD cars mentioned.....Streets and Sanitation, Water Department and Department of Transportation are all riding in brand new shiney ones.
Just like The WIRE, police should take a bus to the crime scene or maybe a cab if its really important.
We are supposed to "NOT TRY" to get killed.
If this happens, it will be the dumbest idea in a string of very dumb ideas.
What's the upside?
Do they think these lambs will stop crime? Solve cases?
Political window dressing at C.P.D. expense.
If this happens I would hope the local beat cars will make these blue targets a special attention.
Tact guys, gangs etc. stop by and introduce yourself, for a few hours at a time. Supervisors, log the hell out of them.
F--- the work you are suppose to be doing.
Many times in your career a veteran saved your ass.
If this idiot idea is true. Let's pay it forward.
Heard from someone in the know.The recruits not be on the streets alone. They will be mixed in withe the 200 officers that are being reassigned from desk to street. Since there is a real shortage of cars this is the short term answer
1/31/2013 08:14:00 AM
This is, in effect, alone. Do you really think any of those 200 are better equipped to handle that than the recruits? Hell no most of them are probably career secretaries!
"Bring back the original Task Force concept of the '70's. Give them the free hand we had back then. Difference is back then we had bossess that backed the troops. It'll never happen again and it is a shame. A powerless police forcenow exists.a police force that criminals do not respect and criminals know weakness and prey on it. A retired guy that has been there and did it....."
an excellent idea, but.....the liberal establishment will not, and will never support, a kick ass police force, supported by prosecutors and courts that lock up people for a long time, supported by a corrections system that has a capacity to house thousands of inmates, for years....
so, the liberals cry and complain, and the killings go on....
Where are these 200 bodies coming from?
Better yet where are the civilians that will take over the officers jobs coming from?
Come on media start asking tough questions of these two fucking goofs.
Anonymous said...
At 19 comments at the time of this post, the consensus seems to be this is a really bad idea.
As a citizen, I wonder if it could be the case or if it would make any difference if it where the case that the Academy was admitting combat vets from Iraq & Afganistan and upon graduation deploying them exclusively to the worse neighborhoods in Beriut on the Midway?
Not to take anything away from the street smarts and hard lessons learned from the REAL police in these Districts, but couldn't the goal be complimented by both REAL police and recuits with (REAL) combat experience?
If so, I am assuming this is the caliber & background of the Academy recuits deploying to these neighborhoods; that's probably not the case.
If that's not the case, sending Academy recuits from the civilian or non-combat military ranks to a babtism-by-fire in these neighborhood indeed seems like a recipe for disaster.
1/31/2013 11:24:00 AM
Military experience has very little to do with policing. You can't just throw a grenade at the problem on the West Side or open up at platoon strength on the South Side. It's a different game requiring different skills and experience.
In fact, the military hired cops to help them with the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan because those skill sets were what was needed in a war zone of terrorists as opposed to standing armies.
Um... Officer safety? These kids are gonna get hurt! What the F &@K !?! And no "back in my day we had to" comments. Back in those days people left us the hell alone for fear of receiving a wood shampoo... These days? Holy hell... WTF!
the bottom line......Rahm, and McLost, have no idea what to do about gun violence.....maybe, for starters, they should admit that, then say we will try and do something, then concede that eventual and complete solutions are simply impossible....although, come to think of it.....they could adopt the "Hillary Clinton 2016 For President" slogan......
"Hillary in 2016 - What Difference Does It Make?"......what a great line, you could use that line in almost anything....think of the possibilities
OFF TOPIC:
Last weekend there was a 'gun show' at the convention center in Rosemont. It was advertised as the first real gun show in the chicagoland area and was in conjunction with the Midwest Outdoor Sportsman show. Unfortunately there were no venders, with the exception of ONE collector of antique guns, as was implied, at this 'gun show'. And as would be expected, people were upset and wanted their money back. BUT, here is what the organizers had to say about the people attending their 'gun show', after the people had been duped.
Marc Levine, a sales executive for Outdoor Sports Group, which organized the show, quickly obliged.
"The last thing I want to do is for a guy to go to his car and come back shooting," said Levine, who organized the gun show in conjunction with the well-known Chicago Outdoor Sports Show, which has taken place for more than 30 years. "We do have guns here, they're just 100 years old, and you can't find any gunpowder for them."
Please forward this message to every person you know who are in favor of keeping our 2nd amendment secure. And, DO NOT attend or support any events sponsored by the OUTDOOR SPORTS GROUP or its affiliates. The above statement, given to the media, only shows that these people do not represent us or any firearm advocate. As a matter of fact they do more damage by giving in to the medias contrived fear of law-abiding citizens who wish to own legal firearms.
OT.
Anybody else get a call from PoliceUSA.com at 1-217-303-8800 asking for money to assist police officers injured in on-duty traffic accidents within Illinois and the families of police officers killed in on-duty traffic accidents within Illinois?
The caller was a fast-talker and it sounded like the call was made from a boiler room. The caller admitted the effort was not sanctioned by FOP and did not MF me when I declined to donate, but the whole thing was suspect, although the website does exist, but these days about any 15 year-old can make a website.
Okay SCC. You don't want the new kids on the block out there on fixed foot posts in the worst areas of the city. Fine, but I wonder how many good, experienced officers would actually accept this type of assignment. God knows those are the guys and gals we really need out there.
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The answer is ZERO. Good experienced officers know this is a waste of time- a political stunt at best.
Idiots announce this BEFORE the FTO test? Lol, good luck getting applicants!
Carothers resigned!
1/31/2013 01:40:00 PM
If true, it took exactly one year for the idiot to get the message sent by his "promotion" in January 2012.
All the house cats and empty holsters better get ready!!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/01/31/price-middle-school-shooting_n_2592672.html
Anonymous said...
At 19 comments at the time of this post, the consensus seems to be this is a really bad idea.
As a citizen, I wonder if it could be the case or if it would make any difference if it where the case that the Academy was admitting combat vets from Iraq & Afganistan and upon graduation deploying them exclusively to the worse neighborhoods in Beriut on the Midway?
Not to take anything away from the street smarts and hard lessons learned from the REAL police in these Districts, but couldn't the goal be complimented by both REAL police and recuits with (REAL) combat experience?
If so, I am assuming this is the caliber & background of the Academy recuits deploying to these neighborhoods; that's probably not the case.
If that's not the case, sending Academy recuits from the civilian or non-combat military ranks to a babtism-by-fire in these neighborhood indeed seems like a recipe for disaster.
1/31/2013 11:24:00 AM
You are giving them WAY too much credit for thinking this through. Theyn didn't give this any thought; they just need to pretend to the media and citizenry that they are DOING something, anything, so they can't be held responsible for the murder rate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlfQXYj4Vrs
remember these are new officers not experienced officers
watch the causalities list grow
1/31/2013 02:24:00 PM
shoot first, don't answer questions later.
That's all I have to say is " JUMP OUT" we know how great that worked ....LOL
fyi district and unit bosses. i was in the medical section today minding my own business when I over heard some interesting information. i think she's the civilian supervisor, but i heard her speak in a harsh way to the female sgt that who ever used there 365 limited duty days that those officers are to be placed on medical leave by their districts. that districts are to follow the GO's and she's "not doing their job". i just reviewed the GO's to find someone's not doing their job. just another way to point the finger at CPD bosses not doing their jobs.if this is false than once again i over heard the conversation.
about says it all...
Please Mr. Custer! (youtube)
"What's going on in those bushes over there.."
HEY CHARLIE DUCK YOUR HEAD!!
Father Faker was on WLS saying Obama needs to come home and address the needs of the city why don't they just robo call they all have cell phones that we pay for.
Did foot patrol for 14 months in my first two years. Gained a lot of confidence. Not a bad idea,some can handle it, some cannot, oh well.
Here I go again.I am Mortified about this idea.I think someone that is making these decisions is listening to LED ZEPPLINS album Dazed and Confused.
Are these deskspots coming from Headquarters or the district desks? does anyone know...
Both... I know 1 or two from all districts so far and couple from courts and academy and other HQ spots ... good luck with your time due slips...
Mayor Rahm's NEW IMPROVED CRIME FIGHTING STRATEGY!
It's NEW and it's improved.
Now with more extra strength crime fighting power!
Marketing one-oh-one.
Don't scare all those NATO inspired tourist. See 'em all?
They are spending so much money that we can't pay the Ford bill for new cruisers -- if the rumors are correct.
The state can't even get a decent interest rate on its bond sales we have so much money coming in from the tourist, and the construction, and the trade shows.
Anonymous said...
Carothers resigned!
1/31/2013 01:40:00 PM
Good riddance!! What took so long?
OT
Rahm breaking the law threatening banks over credit lines to gun makers. Lawsuit will follow, more wasted tax payer's money
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/volpe/can-rahm-emanuels-illegal-thug-tactics-be-stopped/
Anonymous said...
Are these deskspots coming from Headquarters or the district desks? does anyone know...
1/31/2013 11:36:00 AM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
35th St. And that's kinda..... bullshit. 35th St is short personnel, with about half the spots filled. Most coppers there are doing two or three people's work - and that work is making the dept run as an organization. Meanwhile, the district offices are full of unnecessary people who should be out on the street themselves. The districts have more secretaries and commander's office personnel than most of the divisions at 35th St.
Empty out these district hiding spots BEFORE emptying out the one place that runs the whole organization and already is cut to the bone.
It's like Tom Sellecks kid on Blue Bloods. He keeps making felony arrests, grabbing kidnappers, shooting people and meeting hot girls. thats how it works. Theres a TON of hot babes at 59 and Loomis!
BWAHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHH!
One HUGE positive sign I see in all this is the amount of posts that say this is a bad idea, a dumb idea and that they don't want to see a new officer get overwhelmed.
Some could have just said - "I got my seniority, screw the new guys." But they didn't.
They showed real concern. They pointed out the flaws in the strategy and for good reason.
Don't look now but the REAL CPD showed up today. I hope this continues.
There are a lot of threads where it reads "everyman for himself (or herself)" or "I'm outta here in a year, who cares?"
This thread shows real concern for the job and for breaking in the new guys right.
Dwell on this observation - CPD did well.
Not a LEO, JAFO
here is, maybe, the bottom line....the Democrats, and the liberals, believe so strongly in gun control, social programs, big government, raising taxes, a move toward socialism, etc......the opposition, lower taxes, less government, more individual freedoms, less gun control, more support of the US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights...our country?....where are we going?....and where do we want it to go?.....are we Americans? really......are we Americans?....the Democrats, and the liberals, say to the opposition, "keep quiet!, shut up!"....eh......one would say, go to hell, pal!.....if you can keep me quiet, and try and get my gun (if I have one).....good luck with that......welcome (Democrat/liberal) to the rest of the United States of America, a nation that generations of people came here to escape oppression, and generations of men and women who fought for the right to be free, and live under a Constitution that allowed people to be free, and pursue their dreams......
6 wounded in shootings overnight across Chicago
3400 West Walnut Street,
5000 West Madison Street,
1800 North Natchez Avenue,
8500 South Hermitage Avenue,
1299 South Racine Avenue,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-gun-violence-chicago-austin-galewood-east-garfield-park-university-village-little-italy-gresham-20130131,0,483401.story
Culture Of Death. Tape and markers and sheet-covered forms all over Heart Of Chicaustin, Woodgale, East Westfield Park, Little University, and Italian Ham Village.
>blip<
Scan this crime scene with your smartphone and get a special discount on Steel Reserve tallboys at C&R Liquors right on the corner! No reason why homicides cannot be further monetized...>bleep<
Gerry and Rahm are in full panic mode. There latest "strategy" is to add 2 new sat teams to every area, quietly bringing the numbers back to TRU/MSF proportions.
1/31/2013 02:02:00 PM
So before you had 2 units each run by a commander NOW you have 3 units each run by a Deputy Chief and a Commander/XO. Brilliant move.
What are the best districts for new PPOs to be assigned right after the academy? 011? 015? Thanks for any advice you could pass along!
1/31/2013 03:45:00 AM
010, 011, and 015 are great places to learn police work. Except the old-time FTOs that taught you there are gone....
the jump out boys were foot patrol. I believe the unit/assignment was called "Enhanced Foot Patrol". It was Kennedy and Georgas' baby. They "proved" themselves at that and were then put together TRU and "Enhanced Foot Patrol" faded into oblivion. There was some "success"(maybe not the right word) with the first few groups but like everything on the dept they sent way too many recruits, and didn't have enough FTOs and it became the usual cluster.
I never thought Escalante would be part of this.
1/31/2013 11:41:00 AM
Are you joking? He is made by the system. He would be a lieut if it wasn't for the department trying to screw another Hispanic (of which he is 1/2). When they dumped Lucio Martinez from 014 he was the benificiary of that. Then when they tried to dump Bobby Lopez from 025 he (and Zavala) were promoted to hush LAPA. Ironically They could never dump Lopez and more ironic is that he ended up being Escalante's XO. Some if have long memories
The Tale Of Quovadus Mahomes
Another NRA member runnin wild in the street. Shocking.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-quovadus-mahomes-charged-with-murder-attempted-murder-20130130,0,2229470.story
>>>Anonymous said...
like walk and talk in Cabrini Green in the early 70's?...are they fucking kidding? #201
1/31/2013 05:13:00 AM<<<
As in Officers James Severin and Anthony Rizzato, E.O.W. on 17 July 1970 in the Cabrini-Green housing project.
He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it.
Every area D/C is ransacking the districts in there area for 2 Sgts and 8 pos for more sat teams. But wait until they get there and they spring on them that they will be the foot patrol teams in the HOT spots.If you think there is limited T/D now just wait. Nothing and I mean no time due.The goofs that took the sat jobs are in for a real bad time. GOOD LUCK
"If a cop gets hurt it's a photo-op where the gun control agenda can be exploited."
1/31/2013 10:09:00 AM
Right. On what fucking planet does this occur?
Nothing but honor students on the front page, turning things around for them self.
Ot....Condolences to the family of PO Kieth Wanat. Rest in peace bro you will be missed by all.
O/T hats off to anita alverez and tommy dart
seems one stevens j. robbins sentenced to 65 years for murder in indiana was at cook county jail on drug charges and was "RELEASED" by the court now he is running around and they no idea where
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06270805mgr.pdf
this is one doozy of a fuck up
"nice shot,... oswald
Anonymous said...
Are these deskspots coming from Headquarters or the district desks? does anyone know...
1/31/2013 11:36:00 AM
Mccarthy should include the specialized units in addition to 35th street. There are units with 5 female secretaries not working on sensitive material but actual, boring clerical work. Why would a unit need 4 time keepers? Full duty female officers answering phones, typing, filing. There are jobs that a qualified civilian could handle freeing up full duty female officers for the street. At least save the inside jobs for senior officers.
Young coppers think the Star makes them bullet proof. Very bad idea from the bosses. Going to get some young kid killed.This from a 26 yr Vet.
Question ?? How many swore officers are hiding in inside positions. It seems as though ever month, they are telling the public another 500 will be assigned to street duty. Why don't the news reporters ask, who is going to do their jobs ?
"Oh she was destine for great things and the emotional play-up in the media. The nation is outrage!!!Wonder how that makes the families that lost love ones"
Pretending that you can't spell does not lend "legitimacy" or "street cred."
I put this topic out to our NYPD colleagues on THEE RANT since it appears to be a hybrid version of the NYPD's "OPERATION IMPACT".
For NYPD comments, click on NYPD "OPERATION IMPACT"
When we graduated the NYPD Academy in 1983, we went into foot posts the next week and for the next six months.
There were about 20 rmp tours in there too.
Granted, depending on where you were sent, it could've been the Boonies. Midtown or the savage streets of Brooklyn or the Bronx.
It was a learn it real fast situation and we all managed.
Different times, different generation ?
"These thugs know the streets, alleys, gangways, yards and open and closed fences. [AND DOG OR NO DOG!]
"They know our response time when a PO is calling for help. They can disappear into a building with 150 apts and almost everyone is willing to hide them or a gun."
1/31/2013 01:10:00 PM
...and you are left standing outside in the snow after 90 miinutes of crap. "Squad, make this job a 19-P. Ain't nobody in this whole building gonna tell us shit."
...another barrage of bottles, shots, yells as the police drive off...
There are HARDHEAD MOTHERF---ERS. They BAD. Full of hate, hard as steel, slick as grease, and talk a line that will float the shoes right off someone's feet, car keys right out of their hand, like they're hypnotized. Most people have NO IDEA of the rap. Talk about exploitative, razor-sharp eye for the slightest weakness.
I keep hearing this abysmal failure of a Superintendant is going back to New York.
So What The Fuck is taking so long?
Anonymous said...
I wonder how a federal judge will deal with a lawsuit if one of these recruits are injured or killed. No field training, no FTO and thrown to the wolves. There is definitely a lack of brains at city hall and 35th St.
1/31/2013 07:22:00 AM
What can he say? When you come on this job the city doesn't have to guarantee your safety, you are a police officer. The FTO program has not been around for the lifetime of the CPD When I came on you worked with a different officer everyday and in a short period of time you were on a one man car Even in the last few years there were not enough FTO's so ppo's worked with whoever was available, and that was recently
Do you think you have a federal lawsuit against the cty and the CPD if you are injured on the job. If that were the case why isnt every injured officer or the estate of officers killed in the line of duty suing
Uh 011 is not a training district and hasn't been in some time
God help them!
The first image that immediately came to mind is that grainy film of Adolph Hitler patting the cheeks of his 12-13 year old Hitler Youth troops outside his bunker in June 1945 as the Russians are shelling Berlin
The second one that comes to mind is McNumbnuts at an ER with a bloody nose given to him by the father of one of these recruits because his kid was laying in that same ER.
Does GaRRy have any original thoughts of his own? Let's Hope they at least double and triple them up.
This supt. has a brain the size of a pea. I don't care how much traing they get in the academey they just lack that sixth sense that comes w/everyday police work. These people are going to get hurt. Even if they pair them off w/the 200 "freed" officers, both are in danger. The "200" are house mouses, when your not on the street on a daily basis you loose that edge. Thank GOD I'm ret. I would not want to work for Mcfucknuts or 9.5. Good luck officers I will say a prayer for you.......no bullshit!
P.S. to above, the reference to Hitler is as someone who is delusional, fails as a leader in all respects, has no regard for the lives of his people and sends out the youth to be slaughtered in a lost cause.
"Anonymous said...
Supposedly Rahm and McFailure had a press conference this morning to announce re-deployment of 200 administrative officers to street duty."
Really GaRRy, Operation All Out! You more than anymore else should know what BS that "Operation" really was. Tsk tsk, another page taken from the NYPD playbook.
Gotta love G-Mac's claim that these 200 frivilous assignments were "just found." After all of the scrubbing and reassigning over the past year+, you "just found" 200 jobs laying around. Crazy! Sounds like an awesome episode of Storage Wars! You should have those appraised!
Thats the sh**i dont like
Heard from someone in the know.The recruits not be on the streets alone. They will be mixed in withe the 200 officers that are being reassigned from desk to street. Since there is a real shortage of cars this is the short term answer
1/31/2013 08:14:00 AM
They're better off being 99.
Are these deskspots coming from Headquarters or the district desks? does anyone know...
1/31/2013 11:36:00 AM
HQ. They need the extra parking spaces.
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http://moonbattery.com/?p=24914
At a three-day conference in New York that began on Wednesday, [Jesse] Jackson discussed a proposal for increasing the availability of capital by using pension money to make loans in low-income communities. The idea is getting a prominent debut at the 16th annual Wall Street Project Economic Summit, hosted by Mr. Jackson’s Rainbow PUSH Coalition and the Citizenship Education Fund.
Why not ask the cook county sheriffs police to come in and assist the residents of these troubled communities instead of looking 4 dead guys from 30+ years ago.
So. Did it in the wood in 92. 55th to 59 th Ashland to marshfield. Had 1 yr out. It's ok. That's the way you become the real police.
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WOW...you mean back in 1992....when the manpower was there...there wasn't the fear of being caught on tape..and being the police put fear in these "animals"
Supt used it in NYC and NYJ and now CPD.
Anonymous said...
What are the best districts for new PPOs to be assigned right after the academy? 011? 015? Thanks for any advice you could pass along!
The REAL POLICE train in 019 or 023
Where are these latest 200 wonders comIng from? Anyone have any info on this?
>cue up theme music< "Livin' just enough, just enough for the citaaay..."
I was thinking more in the lines of Yackity Sax from Benny Hill
Let's see, Impact rookies let loose upon the ghetto like a giant drift-net cast-out to capture every piddling offense. Mass summons and stop-question-and-frisks designed to have an intimidating effect upon the target audience, develop a database of miscreant suspects and create follow-up warrant activity from unanswered summonses. Nah, too politically unpopular. I predict...blue flower pots!!
Close but try officer just off probation?
I just want to know what is Supt. Mc Goof. going to tell the families when one of these P.P.O.'s gets picked of as target practice in the ghetto!
Hell of a price to pay for being "stylish"!
Da Pelon
God help them
Here is an idea.. After many, many years on this job as a PO, FTO. I'd say create a unit, let's call it FTF. justs for shits and giggles "Felony Task Force", Area South ,North, and West. The Task Force of the 60s and 70s. Get experanced po's to bid in, good bosses. Get all these new PPO's that are starting to get hired to fill the district spots. Revamp the FTO program with po's that want to be FTO's and for Christ sake, TAKE BACK THE FUCKING STREETS!!!!!! Let the police be the police.
Stay safe , and back each other up and make the new PPOs feel welcome. We have all been there.
They have to put them on beat patrol. The City hasn't paid Ford for parts or the new vehicles. We don't have enough vehicles whether they are safe or unsafe. If Rahm could find a breed of horse that didn't eat or drink we'd all be riding around on them. Preferably horses with smaller teeth than McToofus.
Anonymous said...
During Rahms campaign more than once he talked about his uncle being a retired copper. Maybe he should talk to his uncle and his uncle can tell him what a shit idea this is.
1/31/2013 08:19:00 AM
His uncle disowned him and changed his name.
The city is going to hire Ceasefire to be the FTO's.
Anonymous said...
I remember a night after I had been on the job about 2 months I tried to disperse a bunch of savages partying in a nice park on beat 2212--thought showing them my star would get them to comply. I got chased down the block until I took my shit out and then they whipped bottles at me, got in their cars and took off, long before help showed.
This is a really bad idea.
1/31/2013 12:11:00 PM
105th & Longwood! Oh the times we had in that park. I wasn't chasing coppers though but I got chased once..oh the memories. Now I get to chase kids out of parks,sort of like giving back in a way.
The PPO's are going to train the 200 desk people coming back to the street!
Anonymous said...
At 19 comments at the time of this post, the consensus seems to be this is a really bad idea.
As a citizen, I wonder if it could be the case or if it would make any difference if it where the case that the Academy was admitting combat vets from Iraq & Afganistan and upon graduation deploying them exclusively to the worse neighborhoods in Beriut on the Midway?
Not to take anything away from the street smarts and hard lessons learned from the REAL police in these Districts, but couldn't the goal be complimented by both REAL police and recuits with (REAL) combat experience?
If so, I am assuming this is the caliber & background of the Academy recuits deploying to these neighborhoods; that's probably not the case.
If that's not the case, sending Academy recuits from the civilian or non-combat military ranks to a babtism-by-fire in these neighborhood indeed seems like a recipe for disaster.
1/31/2013 11:24:00 AM
ROE and overseas deployment where you do not need to worry about 4th Amendment rights and civil litigation is not parallel with working the streets of urban America. There's a different fear in hitting a roadside bomb than getting shot on a traffic stop gone wrong...by someone who lives in the same city as you, maybe doors down from you.
Anonymous said...
Rahmmy gonna martyr those kids.
Over 2,500 people shot last year and this 15 y/o girl that goes to one of Rahmmy's charter schools get's shot on a block where a bunch of Harvard lawyers and business owners live and it's alligator tears and photo-ops all over the place.
Not to mention that the kid had connections to Obama by playing in a school band at his inaugural and a family member in CPD.
Feel sorry that any kid gets hurt but this reaction is very telling about who gets police service and who doesn't.
Oh she was destine for great things and the emotional play-up in the media. The nation is outrage!!!
Wonder how that makes the families that lost love ones over the last few years feel. Sure a lot of them were gang-banging mutts but it certainly cannot be ALL of them.
If you family doesn't have thousands of dollars to put up for a bounty or a social status that enables one to send their kid to Paris, Rahm doesn't give a shit.
Too little too late for Rahm's re-election plans I'm afraid.
You let this brew for years in the community.
Now all of a sudden the headlines and news blubs is that RAHM has announced plans to put 200 more cops on the streets. NOT GARRY, RAHM!
Shows you how poorly the department resources have been managed if all of a sudden you have 200 more cops doesn't it?
It's time both of these guys go.
Election time can't come soon enough.
Rahm's so scared that the media is telling us that he spent an hour with the girls family! Why is she so special? MONEY! CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS?!
It makes me sick! Get in there for the photo-ops with all the aldermen and cry like a man right out of central casting. Don't waste the crisis.
1/31/2013 08:50:00 AM
You moron, that little girl went to King which is not charter school. And she has no connection to Obama you jag, King's band attended both of his inaugurations. The kids pay for that trip themselves.
Why not add the 50 alderman to the beats as well?
http://youtu.be/OA3SMJYNru8
Funny!!
Mr. SouthSide said...
I never thought Escalante would be part of this.
1/31/2013 11:41:00 AM
What are you talking about?? Escalante is a deputy chief. It's his job to inform the troops about this stuff. It doesn't mean he supports it. Would it make you happy if he walked into McCarthy's office, threw his star at him and said, "Fuck you!!"? Yeah, right ... he'll throw away a $162,000 a year job so you won't think "he's a part of this." Go back to sleep, moron.
Clouted Not
How about sending the Do Nothing **PO Crossing Guard Supervisors**
instead with their weekends and holidays off
Please take both of our two tact secretaries from 019. Give us a civilian and put these idiots on the street. See, its not too hard to find em, Now theres two more inexperienced POs back on the street. 198 more to go !
Really. We could have 1000 police tomorrow and we would still be screwed. We don't have cars to put them in. In my district we are down 9 cars to motor maintenance with no pool cars and 2 others just got junked. Everyday day people standing around waiting for a car to go out on 3 rd watch. People have to come in early to switch car or give up the car. It's a circus at the radio room every shift change.
THIS IS THE WORST FORM OF HAZING!
It should be against the law to put a new officer in extreme danger.
Pam Zekman...Really Weak Tonight
Put them on foot patrol in 16. That way they get to see what retirement looks like. Something to look foreward to.
Stay safe and God help you.
I did Impact in the South Bronx for two years. I think without compstat it would be a good thing, but with compstat the bosses put high pressure on the rookies which turns them into summons/250 zombies.
Doug
Just curious suburban cop dude-how do you get the officers to a foot post? Do they have to drive their own cars? Or does another officer drop them off/pickup later? What if they need help-do they get a radio?
We never have enougfh cars in suburbia at times too.
any news media do an audit on millions of dollars given to cease fire ?
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