Ladner Lawsuit Gaining Steam
From our comment section:
- I learned that Atty Dan Herbert has been contacted by hundreds of candidates that Queen Tracey disqualified for no other reason than they were police family or military. Of those hundreds there are about 120 so far that he will be representing. If you know of anyone who failed for no other reason than they were police family have them contact his partner Terri.ryan@herbertlaw.com with a brief synopsis. Apparently they have several of the directors staff on the list to be deposed and talk is they aren't going to take a hit for her.
Anyone know if these folks have the opportunity for back pay, damages and seniority along the lines of the hundred-plus firefighters who recently won their hiring lawsuit? A lot of new PPO's might be at the back of the pack longer than they had expected.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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EmaIl sent out today to those affected by TL's debacle:
You were invited for the Pre-Employment P.O.W.E.R. Test. The notice to report stated: Your attendance is mandatory. Based upon your failure to report for the Pre-Employment P.O.W.E.R. Test, the Chicago Police Department will no longer process your application. Your name will be forwarded to the Department of Human Resources for appropriate action. DHR has decided to provide a second chance to candidates who failed to report to or failed the POWER or pre-POWER test. Once your status is verified, DHR will send you a recall notice, advising you that you are eligible for a second chance to complete the hiring process.If you never received an e-mail inviting you to the POWER test, either your e-mail address was not updated or the invitation went to your spam folder. Please take necessary action to update your email address and/or make the necessary changes to your email settings to ensure that email from the City of Chicago does not go into your spam or junk email folder. You can send updated information to police-application@cityofchicago.orgYou will be sent a second chance notice via e-mail and U.S. Mail by May 31, 2013. All second chance candidates from the entire eligibility list will be rescheduled for the POWER test with the Chicago Police Department by 1/31/14. Sincerely,Chicago Police Department
If chicago would just do things legit and the right way there would be no issues. It's that simple. They put the biggest dummies in charge and many that have no business being in the positions. A lot of this is left over from king Daley. He has cost the city so many millions in his time. parking meter scam and now the parking garage scandal. What a dick!
I'm in this group. From the initial meetings we had, the main goal is to get us either back in the testing sections depending on where we were bounced and then proceed on with the process. In a lot of the cases from the people I spoke with there, they had finished everything, got the notice to report and then we told right after getting that notice that there was a "mix up" and they failed a portion of the testing and they didn't get the job- but they're welcome to come back and test the next time the city offers another written exam. The entire hiring process since I've started it has been ass backwards and just seemed thrown together, and you get 15 different answers when you're trying to find out what happened. I told the lawyer- I don't want monetary compensation or senority for a job I haven't done yet, I just want to get in.
in the 90s my kid took the test came back highly qualified and was knocked out on the physical for extreme"ensimzes in the liver",he went to UNiversity of Chicago for a blood test and this came back as all negitive but the kid never persued this,at this time i am wondering in the fact that all thoese black firefighters got on after all these years if my kid at age 45 should get in on this suit, and btw at the time i was a copper working in the old 006th dist, what do you think out there,,,
Good. Hopefully those deserving of back time, etc. receive credit for it.
I hope it's true, and I hope they all win. Good luck.
In 2008 I was dqed for having served in Iraq. It was total BS. There has been big time discrimination against veterans for a long time.
While the city claims veterans preference there is absolutely no veterans preference. I know 3 other Iraq war vets dqed for the same thing.
Qualified to be an active duty E5 infantry soldier.. but not qualified for cpd? Give me a break!!
Anyone know if these folks have the opportunity for back pay, damages and seniority along the lines of the hundred-plus firefighters who recently won their hiring lawsuit?
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The black firefighters sued under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 (Affirmative Action). The suit was based on the 80% rule, which was developed by the E.E.O.C., which says there exists a prima facie case for discrimination based on race (no intent necessary, just result) if one race is hired at less than 80% of the more successful race. Once this prima facie case is established, the onus is on the employer to show the test was legti, i.e. it accurately predicts job performance. This is what the city was unable to show regarding the firefighters test, and city lost.
I doubt this is that type of case.
There is discrimination against Veterans going on in chicago police hiring. It needs to be addressed with a lawsuit.
Even if that self-righteous waste does take the fall for this she will still end up on her feet in some other B.S. made up, spot in the city government.
this happened to the fire candidates also.former military and white's being singled out.
If they would only run it legit, and let everyone get a fair shot. After 32 yrs with the CPD it appears things have gotten worse. After I retired I moved out of state and do not regret my move. Good luck to everyone on the law suit.
I don't believe that veterans are a protected group.
Isn't this also a violation of Federal Law to not hire qualified veterans?
Where is the Gov on this?
Ladner has issues.
in the 90s my kid took the test came back highly qualified and was knocked out on the physical for extreme"ensimzes in the liver",he went to UNiversity of Chicago for a blood test and this came back as all negitive but the kid never persued this,at this time i am wondering in the fact that all thoese black firefighters got on after all these years if my kid at age 45 should get in on this suit, and btw at the time i was a copper working in the old 006th dist, what do you think out there,,,
I think you and your kid missed the boat on any lawsuit. If it wasn't important enough for him to pursue 15+ years ago, then why now? Besides, Ladner wasn't around then.
Dan Herbert is a great attorney, he has spent his career helping police and fire. He won an impossible case for a fireman and got him a settlement on similar type of discrimination. He personally helped many of us as our attorney for weapons discharge to various other service related issues. I'm glad that he continues to serve the interest of the police. Remember his dad as well of himself were police. This class action suit will have legs and he will help many get what they deserve. Lets keep an eye on the progress of this case and maybe the FOP will realize that they let a good advocate go because of personality issues. This is Dan's turn to shine and i will refrain from mentioning the hair gels that participated in his termination of services. Go get them Danny and right this wrong.
It's a testing process. Most people won't make it. You are owed nothing.
The government CANNOT discriminate against blacks when hiring.
The government CAN discriminate against prospective employees from police families when hiring.
They have no case.
I was dq'd for failing the psych test back in the early 90s, after qualifying as "most highly qualified". My dad was an Area 4 det at the time, and was dying of ALS, so I really wanted to get on before he passed. Needless to say the test consisteed of "why do you wan to be a cop", and other softball questions, 3 in total. The first time, the "psychologist" was even there for my appointment, and they dq'd me. My dad was beyond pissed at me. It was rescheduled, and they dq'd me after those bs questions. I later found out from a guy who got on, that the only reason he got on, was because the "not-a-psychologist" went to the same HS as he did, and told him he was told to only pass 2 out of 10 cops kids. I was beyond furious, as apparently the head of the psych testing hated cops and thus cops kids. Ann Burke filed a class action, and I could have got back in the testing, but I had enough. I wanted nothing to do with the city.
Some of the best coppers are former infantry soldiers. That's why the city may not want them. They are actually effective, and protect civil liberties because that is how they are wired.
Where's Hussain now?
Discrimination to vets...? There is 9 in my class of 29.
Anonymous said...
in the 90s my kid took the test came back highly qualified and was knocked out on the physical for extreme"ensimzes in the liver",he went to UNiversity of Chicago for a blood test and this came back as all negitive but the kid never persued this,at this time i am wondering in the fact that all thoese black firefighters got on after all these years if my kid at age 45 should get in on this suit, and btw at the time i was a copper working in the old 006th dist, what do you think out there,,,
3/22/2013 01:18:00 AM
I think Ladner didn't work here then and I think your kid was an adult at the time and he chose not to pursue the matter. And that's that.
"I'm in this group. From the initial meetings we had, the main goal is to get us either back in the testing sections depending on where we were bounced and then proceed on with the process. In a lot of the cases from the people I spoke with there, they had finished everything, got the notice to report and then we told right after getting that notice that there was a "mix up" and they failed a portion of the testing and they didn't get the job- but they're welcome to come back and test the next time the city offers another written exam. The entire hiring process since I've started it has been ass backwards and just seemed thrown together, and you get 15 different answers when you're trying to find out what happened. I told the lawyer- I don't want monetary compensation or seniority for a job I haven't done yet, I just want to get in."
This candidate's experience seems to contradict the letter referenced in the first post. If Ladner is directly responsible for this mess, her employment with the City should be terminated immediately.
Anonymous said...
EmaIl sent out today to those affected by TL's debacle:
You were invited for the Pre-Employment P.O.W.E.R. Test. The notice to report stated: Your attendance is mandatory. Based upon your failure to report for the Pre-Employment P.O.W.E.R. Test, the Chicago Police Department will no longer process your application. Your name will be forwarded to the Department of Human Resources for appropriate action. DHR has decided to provide a second chance to candidates who failed to report to or failed the POWER or pre-POWER test. Once your status is verified, DHR will send you a recall notice, advising you that you are eligible for a second chance to complete the hiring process.If you never received an e-mail inviting you to the POWER test, either your e-mail address was not updated or the invitation went to your spam folder. Please take necessary action to update your email address and/or make the necessary changes to your email settings to ensure that email from the City of Chicago does not go into your spam or junk email folder. You can send updated information to police-application@cityofchicago.orgYou will be sent a second chance notice via e-mail and U.S. Mail by May 31, 2013. All second chance candidates from the entire eligibility list will be rescheduled for the POWER test with the Chicago Police Department by 1/31/14. Sincerely,Chicago Police Department
3/22/2013 12:16:00 AM
ANOTHER e-mail?
Has this idiot never heard of the U.S. Postal Service?
If she's playing CYA, don't you think she'd be sending these letters 'return receipt requested' or 'signature required', to prove they were physically received?
Check your SPAM FOLDERS, applicants, and best of luck to you.
The City discriminated against children of police families in the 90's test. Supreme Ct. Justice Burke represented those people when she was in private practice and she won seniority and back pay for some of them.
In the eighties white males were scored lower than minorities on one test and in the late eighties they used the psych eval to eliminate white males!
Without a doubt, she has no use in hiring kids of the Police or former members who served their country, This is a fact and will be quite easy to prove.
Military people are assured that she will do her best to ace them out.
She uses that firm of 3 rd. rate phycholgists to make certain they find issues with the veterans of the armed forces. Very sad.
There is discrimination against Veterans going on in chicago police hiring. It needs to be addressed with a lawsuit.
And the sad part is they are touting veterans preference of 20% in every class and make up exams for deployed veterans
The black firefighters sued under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 (Affirmative Action). The suit was based on the 80% rule, which was developed by the E.E.O.C., which says there exists a prima facie case for discrimination based on race (no intent necessary, just result) if one race is hired at less than 80% of the more successful race. Once this prima facie case is established, the onus is on the employer to show the test was legti, i.e. it accurately predicts job performance. This is what the city was unable to show regarding the firefighters test, and city lost.
You are right on this one. Years back was on the sgts list and the city was sued by the blacks and at that time to everyones surprise the burden of proof changed to the city to show that the test was not discriminatory instead of the minorities proving they were discriminated against. I thought once the disparity between the diffference in test scores or whites and minorities was over 22% the burden of proof changed, but basically the same principle you are talking about
I missed my notice to report via email.... I haven't seen the second-chance notification yet in the email now that I'm actively looking for it.
So, this is how the Chicago Police Department, an alleged 'para military' organization treats the country's veterans? Absolutely shameless.
Fyi to those on tuition reimbursement.... as of 14feb13 Ladner decided to take away the six accredited regions in the U.S. for college
Only north central association will be accepted. I was denied schooling today, Friday, when turning my stuff in for the next semester. I am filing a grievance with the union. Contact Rich Aguilar if you are affected. So like me if your halfway through your degree, they want to stop you and force you somewhere else, or you finish it on your dime. Please contact the union to have this rectified and finish your degree....the one the department approved you to start in the beginning.
I'm in this group. From the initial meetings we had, the main goal is to get us either back in the testing sections depending on where we were bounced and then proceed on with the process. In a lot of the cases from the people I spoke with there, they had finished everything, got the notice to report and then we told right after getting that notice that there was a "mix up" and they failed a portion of the testing and they didn't get the job- but they're welcome to come back and test the next time the city offers another written exam. The entire hiring process since I've started it has been ass backwards and just seemed thrown together, and you get 15 different answers when you're trying to find out what happened. I told the lawyer- I don't want monetary compensation or senority for a job I haven't done yet, I just want to get in.
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Consider what you've gone through as encouragement to find a different department to work for. I'm stuck in no mans land; not enough time to retire, and too much time to quit without a pension. What you're going through is just the tip of the iceberg around these parts.
The last line of the email says "P.S. Check Second City Cop for updates."
You were invited for the Pre-Employment P.O.W.E.R. Test. The notice to report stated: Your attendance is mandatory. Based upon your failure to report for the Pre-Employment P.O.W.E.R. Test, the Chicago Police Department will no longer process your application. Your name will be forwarded to the Department of Human Resources for appropriate action. DHR has decided to provide a second chance to candidates who failed to report to or failed the POWER or pre-POWER test
Everybody read the above carefully?
Deflecting all the blame off CPD. CPD did exactly what the e-mail said, now its DHR doing the backtracking. CPD didn't screw it up, your e-mail did, and we're not trying to be nice guys, but DHR is making us give you a second chance.
Pass the buck; What a crock !
In chicago, if you are WHITE, you are a minority and will be passed up for jobs.
In the early 80's, the City arbitrarily tossed candidates for that simple reason--- they had relatives on the job. They got on eventually by lawsuit. Guess she does not read history. What an interesting read the true history of the CPD would be. Be safe
accountability, professionalism, competence, intelligence, fairness, common sense....nowhere to be found?
There was a young Marine who got the notice to appear, that he was hired. He quit his job in a rush and appeared at the Academy in proper conservative business attire, remember that description?
Then they told him there must be some mistake, there was no class starting. This after the Marine quits his job and changes his whole life around.
If anyone knows this young man, kindly forward the lawsuit info to him, he should definitely be a plaintiff in that lawsuit. To treat an American serviceman like that is shameful.
Ladner is a fetid piece of garbage.
Hey dummy...."in a testing process you are owed nothing" tell that to the fireman who got 20years seniority and back pack while in the "testing process". Boy do you like to talk out of your ass asshat!
So what---The Dept returned to its previous standard for tuition reimbursement---The NCA accredits more than 1,000 higher education institutions
Find a suitable institution to transfer into....or just steal a different degree from one of the providers who offer books ubndeled into the deferred tuition BS---ya know lewis, xavier, adler
Qualified to be an active duty E5 infantry soldier.. but not qualified for cpd? Give me a break!!
3/22/2013 05:21:00 AM
Thank You for your service to our country.
Welcome Home, Brother.
Good Luck.
Anonymous said...
So, this is how the Chicago Police Department, an alleged 'para military' organization treats the country's veterans? Absolutely shameless.
3/22/2013 02:05:00 PM
Semi-military is what we were told in the Academy, not paramilitary.
Herbert is a cocky bullshit play fuckin lawyer who says he was the police but NEVER WAS. Fuck him.
"Some of the best coppers are former infantry soldiers. That's why the city may not want them..."
— 3/22/2013 10:30:00 AM
Some of the WORST coppers are ex-thugs, that's why the City HAS to pass over qualified veterans. Level the playing field bs. Gov'mint sponsored - Gmac Certified.
Did anyone who took an exam for CPD/CFD really believe this was a fair and equitable process? Not since 1966.
Speaking of Dan Herbert I would like to know why he is no longer working for the FOP? He is a good man and a good attorney. Whats up? We want our guy back Shields. Lose the ego already.
Did you read about the 17 year old savage that shot a baby in the face in Georgia. It is time to have an open and frank discussion about where the young black population is headed.
Queen Dole was Worse!!!!
Anonymous said...
The black firefighters sued under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965 (Affirmative Action). The suit was based on the 80% rule, which was developed by the E.E.O.C., which says there exists a prima facie case for discrimination based on race (no intent necessary, just result) if one race is hired at less than 80% of the more successful race. Once this prima facie case is established, the onus is on the employer to show the test was legti, i.e. it accurately predicts job performance. This is what the city was unable to show regarding the firefighters test, and city lost.
You are right on this one. Years back was on the sgts list and the city was sued by the blacks and at that time to everyones surprise the burden of proof changed to the city to show that the test was not discriminatory instead of the minorities proving they were discriminated against. I thought once the disparity between the diffference in test scores or whites and minorities was over 22% the burden of proof changed, but basically the same principle you are talking about
3/22/2013 01:25:00 PM
---yes sir. If 50 out of 100 whites who took the sgt test get the job, then 80% (of that 50% for whites) of blacks, MUST get the job. Thats the CRA of 1965 that Rand Paul came out against and was vilified. So 80% x 50% = 40%. That means 40% of blacks get Sgt. If less - poof - discrimination.
A Constitutional violation based on race requires INTENT. The CRA does not. That's how Congress wrote it.
Now .... to dance ...
Hillard's kid Now there's a Story Just ask Gary Schankel
Anonymous said...
In 2008 I was dqed for having served in Iraq. It was total BS. There has been big time discrimination against veterans for a long time.
While the city claims veterans preference there is absolutely no veterans preference. I know 3 other Iraq war vets dqed for the same thing.
Qualified to be an active duty E5 infantry soldier.. but not qualified for cpd? Give me a break!!
3/22/2013 05:21:00 AM
If they are turning away military thats totally unacceptable! I just got out of the academy our homeroom had 20 recruits, 4 military with combat experience, 5 guys with family on the job, 3 females. Racial breakdown: 2 Black, 6 Latinos, 12 White. So I agree any funny stuff with military and family members should not be happening, but I have to say I dont see it. These numbers are about the same for all the classes I saw. The academy has a lot of White guys and a lot military(especially Marines for some reason) to the point that its pretty noticeable.
If you came from a police family, you learned more about police work around the family dinner table than any green recruit learned in 24 weeks in the academy
This should be a wake up call to anyone who might want to join this joke of a department. It's only going to get worse once they get on! This department is a complete joke!!!!
Nice job Dan! Maybe you would be interested in representing the members of the 662 BIS club from 2007 who were wrongly placed in said program. You're familiar with it, you were working for the FOP then. Were you or Pleines aware back then that the City was willing to award each affected officer 400+ hours of comp time each? This is not a rumor, this is truth. This came straight from the mouth of the Supervisor in charge of the BIS back then who was in the know. A truth that I believe she would gladly testify to in a deposition. Maybe then Pleines could then finally confide in us and reveal why he insisted on us signing settlement agreements (which no one signed) as a condition of being removed from the program. It's a big coverup that's been rarely spoken of and that few no about or remember.
In the weeks prior to me taking the psych test, there was an article in the Tribune where a gold star told the reporter, "would you believe that there are actually people out there who are so steeped in the drug culture that they can't believe that the majority of the population have had no exposure to drugs at all. These applicants actually tell us of their past drug usage because they think we would believe that they were lying if they denied it. Wow, talk about being soft in the head from too many drugs"!
That was a tip and a clue not to be ignored and I vehemently stuck to my story that I didn't even know the name of the drugs that they asked about, let alone admit to ever having experimented with any of them.
Passed with flying colors. What great timing for that newspaper article. What's the old saying? Deny, deny, deny.
Anonymous said...
I'm in this group. From the initial meetings we had, the main goal is to get us either back in the testing sections depending on where we were bounced and then proceed on with the process. In a lot of the cases from the people I spoke with there, they had finished everything, got the notice to report and then we told right after getting that notice that there was a "mix up" and they failed a portion of the testing and they didn't get the job- but they're welcome to come back and test the next time the city offers another written exam. The entire hiring process since I've started it has been ass backwards and just seemed thrown together, and you get 15 different answers when you're trying to find out what happened. I told the lawyer- I don't want monetary compensation or senority for a job I haven't done yet, I just want to get in.
3/22/2013 12:33:00 AM
Your a fool to not ask for time lost.
I am a Copper and my Son failed the Pschy Test, then I started doing a little research on my own and found that Tracey Ladner is totally out of control, what makes things worst is that she is the Director, but has a Chief and civilian D/C who are her superiors, Both of these men have been in law enforcement for many many years and have let her lead the department hiring practices right into the gutter, it is not a coincidence that many coppers kids are flunking the Pschy test, she has FUCKED up so many thingsin her time as HR Director in the dept. that I am puzzled why she is still around, But Dan Herbert has many frinds in the department and she can't hide, her buddy Bridget Messina is right in the middle of this too, My son is joining this suit and only wants to be a police officer, this being decided by Tracey Ladner only, because she wants to limit coppers kids, But Surprise Surprise, there is a certain person in the Medical Section that says Tracey is putting people into the academy even when thier Pschy test results or Background checks are not completed or unfavorable, she is trying to be GOD !!! Pay Now Stupid
Anonymous said...
Did you read about the 17 year old savage that shot a baby in the face in Georgia. It is time to have an open and frank discussion about where the young black population is headed.
3/22/2013 06:18:00 PM
Here is my open and frank response: I don't give a shit.
If it can be done!! Dan will make it happen... He will bring the truth out!! I swear this before God.
Anonymous said...
If you came from a police family, you learned more about police work around the family dinner table than any green recruit learned in 24 weeks in the academy
3/22/2013 07:33:00 PM
I won't take that away from you. It's true, my friends who are the WORKING police definitely had a leg up because the old man talked about the job at home. They knew terminology, procedure, the way it's done instead of the way the rules say it should be done.
BUT, nepotism really comes into play because of the 'old man', too. (A few women have some clout, but it's still pretty rare.) Offspring get desk jobs, made-up teddy bear jobs, no-show jobs, gravy assignments to secret little units, etc. and they don't have any idea what a bid is, because someone always makes a phone call to get them wherever they feel like going this year.
I don't know what the answer is (certainly not the way Ladner handled things), but yeah, it's a problem.
Anonymous said...
So, this is how the Chicago Police Department, an alleged 'para military' organization treats the country's veterans? Absolutely shameless.
3/22/2013 02:05:00 PM
Semi-military is what we were told in the Academy, not paramilitary.
3/22/2013 05:32:00 PM
I was told paramilitary.
Anonymous said...
If you came from a police family, you learned more about police work around the family dinner table than any green recruit learned in 24 weeks in the academy
3/22/2013 07:33:00
Sorry to disagree with you, but my father never said one word about police work in his 39 years on the job. The only words he said to me when I came on this job was - Do Not Become a Chicago Policeman.
Once again the theory applies - as I got older I learned my parents were always right, and I should have listened.
By the way, a huge problem today on this department is with cops who are cops kids. They heard too many war stories at the dinner table, and they think just as the above post said. And I'm not talking about all cops kids, just these entitlement cops kids.
During the late 70's early 80's hiring process those of us who were Vietnam era vets were supposed to get points for our service. These points could be used for initial hiring scores or later promotional scores. Well I never got mine coming on the job or later when promoted to Sgt. Ask any vet from the Vietnam era none ever got any veteran's points. CPD and the City of Chicago never gave veteran preference even though it was part of our G.I. Bill at the time. Come to think of it the G.I.Bill sucked all the way. You want to talk about veterans getting treated bad talk to us the whole country treated us like some kind of second class citizens. So all my fellow Veterans never expect anything you have coming especially from the corrupt CPD and City of Chicago. Thanks for nothing CPD and both Mayor Daleys guess you non veteran draft dodging pussies never will understand. Those who never served will never understand or care.
Welcome home my Brothers.
Hey dummy...."in a testing process you are owed nothing" tell that to the fireman who got 20years seniority and back pack while in the "testing process". Boy do you like to talk out of your ass asshat!
Yeah they shouldn't have got it. You are no different than "them". Always an excuse. Maybe your kid shouldn't be a cop. This job was easy to get and I'm white.
Why is she not fired
the presumption of the expectation of honesty, integrity, truthfulness, honor, morality and decency in the political class is akin to thinking that there will ever be a turd that doesn't smell like shit.
not in this world.
Anonymous said...
So what---The Dept returned to its previous standard for tuition reimbursement---The NCA accredits more than 1,000 higher education institutions
Find a suitable institution to transfer into....or just steal a different degree from one of the providers who offer books ubndeled into the deferred tuition BS---ya know lewis, xavier, adler
Or how about getting a REAL degree instead of a degree from Lewis, Adler or Xavier. Sorry folks but I find it odd that everyone on the dept can graduate from these schools with "honors." They are diploma mills.................
I'm a State Trooper and first let me say thank you to all the Marines, Mliitary Vets and Chicago Police Officers for their hard work, service and sacrifice.
If the City HR does not want Marines or Military Vets we sure do. Currently ISP is waving the 4 year degree requiremnt if you have proof that you served in Iraq or Afganistan. You can apply at illinois trooper.com
Not to belittle CPD (Real Police) as I started my LEO carreer in the 18th District, but there is allot to said about the qaulity of life and opportunities of not being forced to live in Chicago plus a take home car. Moreover you will learn the Evil Racoon, News Media and Liberals (Bain of our Existance) are not your friends.
The ISP Academy is very hard and that is for a reason because we are all, although not perfect, cut from the same cloth. There are NO falling out on runs, failing exams written or physical and charracter issues or else you will be gone the first day.
Be safe out there Officers and be proud of what ever uniform you wear.
Roger That !
Uniformed Services Employment Reinstatement Rights Act of 1994, 38 U.S.C. § 4301, et seq. (“USERRA”). It is a violation of USERRA, 38 U.S.C. § 4311, to deny employment because of the persons membership and obligations to a uniformed service. Vets have protection.
Herbert is a cocky bullshit play fuckin lawyer who says he was the police but NEVER WAS. Fuck him.
3/22/2013 05:46:00 PM
Jealousy looks very ugly on you.
I told the lawyer- I don't want monetary compensation or senority for a job I haven't done yet, I just want to get in.
3/22/2013 12:33:00 AM
Don't be stupid, take the money and the Senority. The Senority is very important.
Anonymous said...
Hillard's kid Now there's a Story Just ask Gary Schankel
3/22/2013 07:12:00 PM
Which one? She’s GREAT! He’s an idiot.
Anonymous said...
In the eighties white males were scored lower than minorities on one test and in the late eighties they used the psych eval to eliminate white males!
3/22/2013 12:35:00 PM
Absolutely true.
That email address in not valid. Can you post email address again. Or phone number. Thanks
To "Proud" Dad;
The reason we didn't post your original screed was you accused us of paying money to take this job. If you are so proud of your doing it the legit way, why didn't you post your name and address so we could come discuss your baseless accusation in person? Oh yeah - you're a pussy who expects us to take all the risks while you toss your bricks from behind the same veil of anonymity so many of our Founding Fathers utilized to advance their agenda. Suck our left nut Pops.
If we're so "challenged" then why did we even post one critique of our position? It would be so much easier to eliminate all the dissent and just have our own little echo chamber here parroting everything we think. That isn't what's happening. You can't have it both ways, though maybe that's the way you've been taking it for years. Suck our right nut Grandpa.
And finally, The point of our post seems to have escaped you completely, but that isn't surprising seeing as how the loss of mental faculties strikes our older generations rather hard. We merely pointed out that should a lawsuit be successful, back pay and back seniority are often remedies. Those remedies would hurt the people who are the most recent graduates, making their time at the back of the seniority bus that much longer due to the incompetence and possibly criminal actions of a megalomaniac running our hiring process. We don't recall seeing (or writing) any "wishing" harm befall the new guys and gals. Now both at once you fossil.
In closing, denigrating legitimate illnesses suffered by our military personnel gives lie to the Band of Brothers ethos supposedly instilled in each and every citizen-soldier who serves. Your time in the Coast Guard must have been very exciting. Asshat.
Hey, Daley still have not answered the question of who hired folks in charge of the "hired truck scandal". The media has stopped asking him and when he appears at the U of C and teaches city government, they are too afraid to ask him. Daley is being held up as an outstanding example of an effective big city mayor. My, how the democrats and liberals re-write history and selectively forget things.
Anonymous said...
Some of the best coppers are former infantry soldiers. That's why the city may not want them. They are actually effective, and protect civil liberties because that is how they are wired.
I must agree with this statement, at least partially. Serving in the armed forces instills discipline and work ethic that many in the civilian community lack. I would take a military vet first , all things being equal, rather then someone who prior job ws grilling food.
Anonymous said...
In the eighties white males were scored lower than minorities on one test and in the late eighties they used the psych eval to eliminate white males!
3/22/2013 12:35:00 PM
Yes, you are correct on this. The city used race norming for years until the courts declared it unconstitutional. White males, veterans or children of police officers are not in any protective class. There was a settlement for out of grade pay for youth officer back then. Only blacks and women collected. White males did not. racial/ethnic politics are very strong in this city.
Passed with flying colors. What great timing for that newspaper article. What's the old saying? Deny, deny, deny.
3/22/2013 09:38:00 PM
Well, this strategy works unless they give you a polygraph, which will uncover your lack of integrity.You should not be denied a job as a police officer, or someone who holds a sensitive federal position, for experimenting with drugs, as long as you have stopped and the use was not excessive and you admit to it.
Semi-military is what we were told in the Academy, not paramilitary.
3/22/2013 05:32:00 PM
Sorry, the CPD has not been semi-military for some time, maybe sice the early 80's. I recall when captains put on their blouse and cap to hold roll call and everyone stood up. Look at NY, they actually salute sergeants and stand when an officer enters the room. Here, way too many treat their sergeants like crap, to include the gold stars.
Anonymous said...
Hillard's kid Now there's a Story Just ask Gary Schankel
3/22/2013 07:12:00
Not familiar with this one, but would love to hear it. Uncle Terry played race politics the entire time he was supt. He played the city hall game. sold out the average cop and it sure has paid off for him. His security company made him a multi-millionare.I sure hope none of you paid money for his bullshit, full of lies book or went to his retirement party.
Here is my open and frank response: I don't give a shit.
3/22/2013 11:01:00 PM
kinda sad, when you don't give a shit, but i do.
Chalkie
The city never honored veterans points? You are wrong, my friend. I used my vets points to come on the job in '68 and to make sergeant in '78. It was 1/2 point for every 6 months of service up to a max of 3 points. I brought my paperwork, DD214, down to the city personnel office and gave them a copy. They had a form to fill out back then. The city stopped using vets points sometime in the 80's because they felt women did not have points and not enough minorities had points.
The reason we didn't post your original screed was you accused us of paying money to take this job. If you are so proud of your doing it the legit way, why didn't you post your name and address so we could come discuss your baseless accusation in person? Oh yeah - you're a pussy who expects us to take all the risks while you toss your bricks from behind the same veil of anonymity so many of our Founding Fathers utilized to advance their agenda. Suck our left nut Pops.
If we're so "challenged" then why did we even post one critique of our position? It would be so much easier to eliminate all the dissent and just have our own little echo chamber here parroting everything we think. That isn't what's happening. You can't have it both ways, though maybe that's the way you've been taking it for years. Suck our right nut Grandpa.
And finally, The point of our post seems to have escaped you completely, but that isn't surprising seeing as how the loss of mental faculties strikes our older generations rather hard. We merely pointed out that should a lawsuit be successful, back pay and back seniority are often remedies. Those remedies would hurt the people who are the most recent graduates, making their time at the back of the seniority bus that much longer due to the incompetence and possibly criminal actions of a megalomaniac running our hiring process. We don't recall seeing (or writing) any "wishing" harm befall the new guys and gals. Now both at once you fossil.
In closing, denigrating legitimate illnesses suffered by our military personnel gives lie to the Band of Brothers ethos supposedly instilled in each and every citizen-soldier who serves. Your time in the Coast Guard must have been very exciting. Asshat.
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Oh SCC, may I get a few shots in? SCC some people are just retarded and this job is welfare for them. If I would not have observed the incompetence in this department, then I would not have believed it. People are assigned to spots because they do not have the mental skills to handle a police incident.
In conclusion, thank you SCC for providing a valuable resource.
Anonymous said...
So what---The Dept returned to its previous standard for tuition reimbursement---The NCA accredits more than 1,000 higher education institutions
Find a suitable institution to transfer into....or just steal a different degree from one of the providers who offer books ubndeled into the deferred tuition BS---ya know lewis, xavier, adler
Or how about getting a REAL degree instead of a degree from Lewis, Adler or Xavier. Sorry folks but I find it odd that everyone on the dept can graduate from these schools with "honors." They are diploma mills.................
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Do you mean that I have to actually work for the degree? And I have to take on the risk of failing?
But on a related and more serious note, I know someone who is enrolled in a number one ranked graduate program in the world.
3/22/2013 02:05:00 PM
Semi-military is what we were told in the Academy, not paramilitary.
3/22/2013 05:32:00 PM
I was told paramilitary.
3/22/2013 11:55:00 PM
I was told quasi-military.
"If you came from a police family, you learned more about police work around the family dinner table than any green recruit learned in 24 weeks in the academy
3/22/2013 07:33:00"
Really? Guess that came in handy for the Coppers Kids on the job who took their own lives. Tragically that's been happening w/ alarming frequency. Being a legacy doesn't automatically qualify one as being able to handle this Job.
Anonymous said...
Semi-military is what we were told in the Academy, not paramilitary.
3/22/2013 05:32:00 PM
Sorry, the CPD has not been semi-military for some time, maybe sice the early 80's. I recall when captains put on their blouse and cap to hold roll call and everyone stood up. Look at NY, they actually salute sergeants and stand when an officer enters the room. Here, way too many treat their sergeants like crap, to include the gold stars.
3/23/2013 11:12:00 AM
Sorry, but we didn't all come on the job in the 2000's. Early 80's IS when I was in the Academy and it's when we were taught 'semi-military'. These days, it seems it's more like 'anything goes'.
It is said that the Department has let Tracey Ladner get away with this Crap, Gen Williams should GO, He let her go on with this FUCK UP, what will he say? Hey I didn't know what she was doing, ask Marv! I just truly hope that the judge that Dan Herbert gets puts an injunction against the department to halyt all police hiring until this suit gets settled, my son is involved and he just wants to be Chicago Police, I tell him it is not your daddy's department any more but he still wants to be CPD. I hope all 3 of these people GENE< MARV< TRACEY and I forgot BRIDGETT MESSINA go down hard, might as well take Kevin Johnson as he is Tracey's puppet man!!!!
3/23
11:19am
Nobody got their points just like the post said. They already had everybody's DD214 forms when we came on. They got that during the background investigation so why you claim to have delivered yours later sounds suspect. By the way did you ever think that maybe you came on in 68 under a different policy??? You only were allowed to use your points once it was 5 points only. So maybe you got your points maybe you just had the right clout. But by the late 70's into the 80's no Vietnam vets got their points or maybe it was like everything else on the CPD maybe you had to know the secret answer or have the right clout to drop off that DD214 ? You guys coming on in the 60's never heard of Affirmative Action either so yeah maybe you got yours but the rest of us got screwed out of ours. Next time read what is written before you tell those of us who got screwed how legit it was back in 68.
The city never honored veterans points? You are wrong, my friend. I used my vets points to come on the job in '68 and to make sergeant in '78. It was 1/2 point for every 6 months of service up to a max of 3 points. I brought my paperwork, DD214, down to the city personnel office and gave them a copy. They had a form to fill out back then. The city stopped using vets points sometime in the 80's because they felt women did not have points and not enough minorities had points.
You are correct I came on in the 60's and you could use them for the entrance exam and for one future promotional exam Thought you could get up to 3.5 points but it was somewhat like that
There are more than a few of Ladner's coworkers who are spilling the beans! This should get very interesting once this heads to court.
Paramilitary-adj. pertaining to an organization operating in substitution for or as a supplement to a regular military force:,ie a paramilitary police unit.
Quasi-military-adj. resembling, seemingly but not actually.
Well, in the 80's, it was called a paramilitary organization, but that doesn't seem to fit now. Neither the paramilitary or organization, which is severely lacking. Let's just go with fucked up, final answer.
SCC,
Heartfelt apologies for my earlier outbursts. You're right, I had no call to break bad on you like that. I'm an idiot and will gladly perform the actions listed in your rebuttal.
I wasn't really in the Coast Guard, but I was a lifeguard once.
Ive taken everything, including the power test twice and drug screen twice, and havent gotten squat from the city... im currently a suburban cop, ive lived in the city my whole life and just wanted to go to the city like friends and family before me but cant get an answer out of anyone. its a real pain in the ass to try and take power tests after working mids or taking days off work without telling your current employer and the city just wants to keep screwing you....
Sorry, the CPD has not been semi-military for some time, maybe sice the early 80's. I recall when captains put on their blouse and cap to hold roll call and everyone stood up. Look at NY, they actually salute sergeants and stand when an officer enters the room. Here, way too many treat their sergeants like crap, to include the gold stars.
Here's some REAL military knowledge for you, bud. Military sergeants DO NOT rate a salute OR a gentleman's greeting (sir, ma'am).
Come to think of it, I can't think of any supervisor on this job that's earned any kind of respect from me. Ill just keep on addressing them by their rank title when I really really have to. Bunch of fucking nerds in charge that want everyone to like them or that actually think they're better than the rest of us.
Ive taken everything, including the power test twice and drug screen twice, and havent gotten squat from the city... im currently a suburban cop, ive lived in the city my whole life and just wanted to go to the city like friends and family before me but cant get an answer out of anyone. its a real pain in the ass to try and take power tests after working mids or taking days off work without telling your current employer and the city just wants to keep screwing you....
3/23/2013 10:19:00
The universe is trying to tell you something. Pay attention.
I wasn't really in the Coast Guard, but I was a lifeguard once.
3/23/2013 09:42:00 PM
do you still shave your chest?
Let's just go with fucked up, final answer.
3/23/2013 08:21:00 PM
car 54, where are you?
Is this lawsuit for recently fucked candidates? Or any and all previous fucked candidates? Got fucked in 90's on psych Dad retired. As soon as he found out my Dad was on the job interview seemingly went south. Oh and I never got hired by CFD but my tan wasn't dark enough to get the $10K+ my coworkers just received.
Anonymous said...
Did you read about the 17 year old savage that shot a baby in the face in Georgia. It is time to have an open and frank discussion about where the young black population is headed.
3/22/2013 06:18:00 PM
Here is my open and frank response: I don't give a shit.
3/22/2013 11:01:00 PM
You would if some shithead shot your kid in the face. You're an asshole to the 10th degree.
Anonymous said...
Ive taken everything, including the power test twice and drug screen twice, and havent gotten squat from the city... im currently a suburban cop, ive lived in the city my whole life and just wanted to go to the city like friends and family before me but cant get an answer out of anyone. its a real pain in the ass to try and take power tests after working mids or taking days off work without telling your current employer and the city just wants to keep screwing you....
3/23/2013 10:19:00 PM
The grass is always greener.
Is where you're at that bad?
To the schmuck who continues to "bust" on Bridget. You are an idiot. BM is a P.O.... she is not an exempt rank making big bucks ... so shut your mouth. BM has helped more coppers and recruits and cadets than you will ever help in your life time. As far as your precious cargo goes....maybe your kid is a jerk, idiot, has a tendency to steal, commit a burglary, batter.... you don't have a clue ...SO LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS AND BUST ON THE BOSSES AND THE MAYOR.
There are more than a few of Ladner's coworkers who are spilling the beans! This should get very interesting once this heads to court.
Will never head to court City will settle prior to court to protect Ladner
To the schmuck who continues to "bust" on Bridget. You are an idiot. BM is a P.O.... she is not an exempt rank making big bucks ... so shut your mouth. BM has helped more coppers and recruits and cadets than you will ever help in your life time. As far as your precious cargo goes....maybe your kid is a jerk, idiot, has a tendency to steal, commit a burglary, batter.... you don't have a clue ...SO LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS AND BUST ON THE BOSSES AND THE MAYOR.
3/24/2013 09:42:00 AM
It is not just one person telling the world about Bridget Messina. She is not officially an exempt member, but she thinks she is one. She is arrogant, rude, dismissive, condescending and she enjoys fucking people over. So, if you are not Bridget herself, you are the idiot. And, if you are Bridget, nice talking to you. Bust a blood vessel much?
To the schmuck who is defending Brigette Messina, you apparently have never seen her in action, I know she is a PO and not a boss, but she is Tracey's sidekick and is getting her nuts off screwing over coppers kids in this fiasco, all I said was that she too will get coaught up in this mess caused by her bosses!!!, and you don't know my kid or anyone else getting Fucked over, so you can Shut Your Mouth !!!!
Dear Bridget, I am terribly sorry that someone is pulling you into this mess, I hope that when Dan Herbert gets the court to subpeona you that you tell Nothing but the truth, because Tracey, Marv. Gene and Kenny will save themselves and let you drown, I now you only meant to help all these coppers kids out!!!!!!!!!
To the schmuck who continues to "bust" on Bridget. You are an idiot. BM is a P.O.... she is not an exempt rank making big bucks ... so shut your mouth. BM has helped more coppers and recruits and cadets than you will ever help in your life time. As far as your precious cargo goes....maybe your kid is a jerk, idiot, has a tendency to steal, commit a burglary, batter.... you don't have a clue ...SO LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS AND BUST ON THE BOSSES AND THE MAYOR.
Have to agree with you, She
was nothing but helpful and went out of her way to help my son when he came on the job. He was in the service and she helped him schedule his interviews and tests when he was home on leave.
PO Messina has perservered through competent/incompetent/unintertested/meddling and now evil Bosses (Commanders/Civilian Director)--- and IS THE KEY witness detailing changes to the hiring process over the years...she has always been the "go-to" person and the bosses rely on her knowledge....Is she the most super-friendly smiley person? no....Will she give accurate information and advice? yes....Does she take her job seriously and work hard? Yes...
Wow, I can't believe it that people on this job are so uninformed about the workings of this dept. or are just blind to things, Tracey Ladner has pulled one too many stunts to brush this whole new hirng scandel under the rug, You guys just don't get it, but here is how it works, if you are a candidate, you first take the power test, this is all on you, they can't mess with these results because you actually passed it and others saw you pass it, but the only part of this test that you don't ever see the results is the Pshscy Test,When the Dr.sends your results to Tracey Ladner, it is there that she can then pick and choose who she wants with nobodyeverquestioning her, this is where she has decided to eliminate coppers kids, instead of looking at any files that the Dr. may have flagged with maybe a potential issues she chooses to be Judge and Jury! Others in Human Resources know about this but say nothing because this political hired Bitch is feared by them even Chief Williams and D/C Shearer. It is really wrong that coppers who work down there and know this is occurring say nothing in fear of losing thier office spot, But now comes this lawsuit by Dan Herbert who knows the departments antics and has alot of friends on this job and is getting tons of information regarding Tracey's ruling this roost, but she isn't doing this alone, there are people who will get dragged into court and they need to do the right thing, and if they get caught lying, remember Rule 14, the whole big kicker is Tracey had a chance to make this right but her arrogance preceeds her and her racist attitude. If I worked there I would certainly get with Dan Herbert, remember the EARLY BIRD GETS THE DEAL!!!! And to all you that are laughing at my text,just keep your ears open to the results
I as well received this "you failed to report to the power test" email yesterday. I NEVER received an email in the first place as an invite. When I emailed them back, I was told yet are out of the office until April 15th and to please wait until a second opportunity letter comes by January 31st 2014. I as well am from a huge family of Chicago police officers. Anyone have advice on my next step? It sounds like this lawsuit is for those who failed parts of the testing process, where as I just never was giving the opportunity to even start. So frustrating since I've been waiting for almost three years now for this damn letter!
To 3/20 9:14, contct attorney Dan Herbert, he will look at your case, if they say you have until jan 2014 to take your power test,don't believe them, they are planning to have another test this coming fall, Tracey Ladner is a dirty lowdown person, Contact Dan Herbert, his info is listed in one of these blogs.
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