At What Cost?
Proving once again that more police results in crime numbers bring driven down and that McJersey's CompStat is just so much BS smoke-and-mirrors:
- Chicago police are trying to combat the city's homicide rate with an effort to flood some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods with officers working overtime.
After about seven weeks of sending at least a couple hundred extra officers out at night, there have been 23 homicides in the city. That's less than half the total from the same period a year ago.
Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy won't say the overtime work is the reason for the drop but says it's one of the department's top crime-fighting strategies
But the expense is enormous for the financially strapped city. The tactic could cost millions each month and eat up the department's entire overtime budget by fall.
McCarthy says paying overtime to officers on the force is cheaper than hiring new ones.
Cheaper until the burnout rate climbs....but that's months away.
We notice that no one is mentioning that last year it was about 70 degrees throughout March. This year, not so warm. In fact, it hasn't gotten much above freezing this entire month.
But as long as the checks clear....
We notice that no one is mentioning that last year it was about 70 degrees throughout March. This year, not so warm. In fact, it hasn't gotten much above freezing this entire month.
But as long as the checks clear....
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Who cares about the cost, I am sitting pretty after paying off all my credit card bills and vehicle note! Time to raise my deferred comp to max deductions and keep raking in the dough for my sons college tuition! LATWTTB! (Laughing All The Way To The Bank)
These officers are going to get PTSD. Garry is an idiot who should be traded to New Jersey ASAP!
hmm I have a question. We are currently hiring 440 officers back each night and at least two teams are sent to my district...so why is my time due being denied? Also if patrol is the back-bone of CPD why are the beat guys denied time off? The tact, incident, unit, saturation officers, and desk dollies dont have a problem getting a day off, just us lowly beat guys. FTCPD
Why are we hiring back 400+ officers a night in 20 degree weather? Piss poor planning!
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I learned that Atty Dan Herbert has been contacted by hundreds of candidates that Queen Tracey disqualified for no other reason than they were police family or military. Of those hundreds there are about 120 so far that he will be representing. If you know of anyone who failed for no other reason than they were police family have them contact his partner Terri.ryan@herbertlaw.com with a brief synopsis. Apparently they have several of the directors staff on the list to be deposed and talk is they aren't going to take a hit for her.
So having more coppers on duty makes it cooler, huh... Has Al Gore verified this little nugget?
ot:
to every Officer of the Chicago Police Department, please watch this video, and please listen to me...be EXTRA careful, please stay EXTRA safe. The suffering of such a loss upon my dear, young family members, who worshipped their cousin, Craig, has been the hardest toll you could possibly imagine. It didn't happen here in Chicago but that does not matter. What does matter is the common bond. The loss of a family member who dedicated himself as a Police Officer. His cold-blooded murder has changed lives and outlooks within our family and not necessarily always for the better. Please, Officers, especially you younger ones, THINK how you can better protect yourselves...Garry McCarthy is not protecting you...he is offering your lives up for Compstat's sake! Every single day headlines about CPD Officers being shot at, in a literal war upon CPD, but is not being recognized AS A WAR by the media, Rahm Emanuel nor the U.S. President who postures about gun control while he turns his back on all of you...remember, above all, this is JUST a job and it is NOT worth your life...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SUc_UNegUA4#!
Cheaper until the burnout rate climbs....but that's months away.
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I burned out about 18 years ago . . .
However I will KEEP TAKING the VRI MONEY as long as I can get it...
It's like CRACK!
Burnout?! Fuck that. Quit shitty day job. Sleep in everyday and exercising more. It's the best fucking side job out there!
Hope they do this forever. Little more court. Burn some time to take off.
What's the problem?
If they get the murder rate way down guess what? They will going to have to keep it there.
No one going to bitch about money when blood flow slowing.
How much is your kids life? That's all they have to ask person bitching about overtime cost.
CTA and all extra work should be time and a half. Fucking pay up. We do a great job and deserve it.
Peace out!
Yep just like when they touted the 9-1-1 response times being down by comparing the times to a snow storm the prior year.
They didn't lie.
But no-one asked why the numbers were the way they were and most people have a short memory.
I have never understood this mentality that says paying overtime is cheaper than hiring new people.
The benefit stream is just that expensive.
That's where FOP should get involved.Demand time and a half for CTA, and double time for VRI from 1 JUN thur 31 AUG time and a half the other three quarters of the year. Also have all finacially viable concerts and sporting events hire an X amount of off-duty uniformed officers for their venues at $35.00 an hour, just like Rosemont, Joliet, and other suburbs do.
shhhhhhhh as long as they think it works the more overtime they will give I need this to last a few more months to finish paying off some bills.
SCC, those last two sentences said it all: cold weather plus more police will result in lower crime rates.
i, along with many, have worked this "violence reduction initiative", and i wonder, how long will the criminals stay indoors under the cold weather/extra police strategy?
the thugs and gangsters thrive in the underground economy that flourishes in da ghetto. THIS IS HOW THEY LIVE!! in this cop's opinion, this fiction that the "strategies" are working to reduce crime, will turn into the same old real-life reality for rahmbo and mcfantasy, and the overworked-because-we-do-more-with-less police force will be taxed to the limit when the gangsters make up for lost time and lost money.
It's all about the money . . .
Just because you are out there, don't think the gangsters aren't trying to think of ways around you. Be safe fellow officers.
I know the money is very tempting, but guys need to look at the big picture. By working these OT programs we are allowing the Department to continue running under staffed. Don't work and force the city to hire more officers. More officers equals more money in the pension fund! Not to mention, more opportunities for time off! Eventually burn out is going to set in. This is the message that our unions should be communicating.
The taxpating areas have virtually no police presence. All the resources are sent to protect rif raff who pay no taxes. As a result I very rarely see a police patrol in my area of the city..
So is the city basically stealing my tax dollars?
Yes, it is cheaper than hiring new officers. And those new officers not hired will not be contributing to the pension. They found a way to let us screw ourselves.
Are you kidding me? The 5 Parker's I wrote last month will pay for about three days of my VRI. I haven't wrote Parker's in years. Not to mention that the VRI is overtime and not pensionable so therefore it is cheaper than hiring new cops. At least in the long run it is. The city always has a plan. This one actually pays us. So stop your bitching before it goes away.
McOvertimeischeaper says weather has nothing to do with crime.
Channel 2 said last night the cook county jail is nearly full and the high crime season is still a couple months away.
(did they mean when the weather warms up?)
If they're not hiring anymore police, are they gonna get some more cars?
McCarthy won't say the overtime work is the reason for the drop in crime, and goes on to say that it is a strategy.
He then says that it is cheaper to pay overtime than to hire new officers.
What the fuck. If this isn' a perfect example of speaking out of both sides of ones mouth, I don't know what is.
cheaper than hiring new cops!THEN PAY UP THE PENSION FUND!!
Mr. G's shot up early this am. How are those stats going now?
its damn obvious the weather and extra cops is whats doin it! anything else is a fucking lie! zero respect continues to grow for this guy!
Its cold outside but it was nice and warm in Mr. G's Supper club last night where seven people were shot LMAO!!! Here comes the warmer weather, what ya gonna do now?
Those mentioning maxing out your deferred comp should rethink that. GET OUT of the cities deferred comp system and put in the minimum required. Take your hard earned money and invest elsewhere. Find a trustworthy guy that knows where and how to invest. The city matches nothing. Your money will perform much better elsewhere.
This "NEW STRATEGY" is not new and it cannot last. The initial deployment is based on the idea that it is cheaper to pay premium time now rather than hire a new officer which long term could cost $1 million per officer. However, you also cannot use a tactic of flooding a area with officers, because it is not feasible City-Wide. If putting bodies in an area is the "answer", then it would be cheaper to just hire security gurads. This program is not working unless it is producing a large quantity of guns, drugs and arrests. If there are no "Heads" to match the deployment numbers, this strategy is as absurd as giving $1 million to Cease-Fire. Once again the Democrat Public is being deceived and ripped off.(retired Sgt.)
Last March saw 6 or so days over 80 degrees and 20 with temps over 60. This March has been way below average with lots of precip.
Besides, it's not for a lack of trying. There's been at least 60 people shot and only 10 have died (which includes the 2 shot by CPD). Only a 17% kill rate.
Come on people! You need to work on that sight picture and use two hands!
Illustrating Chicago's Murders, Homicides, Violence and Idiocy at heyjackass.com
A warning to Anonymous, if you are a Chicago Police Officer you better "ride herd" on your deferred compensation because your employer is notorious for
your money not being there when you want or need to draw in down. BEWARE.
How about McFailure's idea of scarecrows. Taking brand new recruits and making them stay on dope corners! I hate to say it but once it gets nicer out its going to be hell out there in these areas. I pray that these recruits don't get hurt. Putting them in areas they are unfamiliar with and no cover is a looking for trouble. If one of these recruits gets injured chasing some banger with a gun and gets lost and hurt. That's on McFailure's head!!!
"to every Officer of the Chicago Police Department"...
Just watched the video. How incredibly moving, scary and inspiring all at the same time. I am so sorry for your family's loss. We all lose a piece of ourselves when a Police Officer dies. It was so nice to see the entire community come together to honor this Officer. May God bless your family and keep this Officer in the palm of His hand. Stay safe all.
CPD, 011th District
After about seven weeks of sending at least a couple hundred extra officers out at night, there have been 23 homicides in the city. That's less than half the total from the same period a year ago.
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Last year in the 70's, so this is a decrease from the increase last year. What was it the year before? Actually, 25 for Feb 2011.
It appears to me that there has been an increase in daytime shootings. You're just messing with their sleep pattern.
"Anonymous said... That's where FOP should get involved.Demand time and a half for CTA, and double time for VRI from 1 JUN thur 31 AUG time and a half the other three quarters of the year. Also have all finacially viable concerts and sporting events hire an X amount of off-duty uniformed officers for their venues at $35.00 an hour, just like Rosemont, Joliet, and other suburbs do.
3/21/2013 02:05:00 AM"
FLOP is not in a position to demand anything. Just keep those membership dues coming chumps! Steak dinners, hawks tix and new Lincolns ain't gonna pay for themselves! See you at the golf outing bitches!
Geiger!
did I wake up from a bad dreamor is it in fact reality that we are not going to get retro for the year of 2012? Icant believe there has not been more of an uproar for this. Mike shields cost each police officer in the city of Chicago at least 2000 dollars yet him and his people are collecting fat checks from are union dues which we pay every month so that a mistake like this doesn't happen. I'm all for sticking together to fight the bigger enemy, however someone needs to be held accountable for this 30 day mental lapse.
just loose the stupid supt. just maybe the dept can boost morale with a new supt within the fucking ranks!!!!!!!! WTF!!!! dammit!!!
"It's cheaper then hiring new officers". Yea, because, for one, the city doesn't have to pay into the pension for those officers that are not hired. Keep working VRI, all you are doing is helping Rahm and McTool and hurting yourselves.
That's where FOP should get involved.Demand time and a half for CTA.
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That’s why they call it voluntary special employment. $41.40 an hour to ride the buses is a pretty good rate. And almost all of the time and a half part timers across the country have gone the way of the dodo bird. One copper at time and half or 5 TMA’s for sporting events? You could win the battle and lose the war on that one.
KS
PTSD...are you kidding me? I am not going to get PTSD because I worked overtime and was able to pay all my bills and put away money for my child's tuition for "NEXT YEAR". Another one who does not work it but has to push their views on others. If you do not want to get burned out then do not work VRI. I am on number 75 and counting....
Another warrior hangs up the golden kneepads: Kaptain Krunch announced his last day is April 15, 2013.
Godspeed.
More good news for the peons on the watch: the DC recently got a new company car AND the processing room printer is still broken.
Priorities.
And just the other day at turd watch roll call: the blathering co-conspirator of these company men announced an upcoming District-wide staff meeting and asked the troops for suggestions.
F*ck off.
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I learned that Atty Dan Herbert has been contacted by hundreds of candidates that Queen Tracey disqualified for no other reason than they were police family or military. Of those hundreds there are about 120 so far that he will be representing. If you know of anyone who failed for no other reason than they were police family have them contact his partner Terri.ryan@herbertlaw.com with a brief synopsis. Apparently they have several of the directors staff on the list to be deposed and talk is they aren't going to take a hit for her.
3/21/2013 12:34:00 AM
Wonderful!
Hey Garry
Summertime is coming & when the officers cannot get time off they WON'T work your VRI.. The crime isn't happening in the NW or SW sides, so who cares. Not me!
Illinois Senator Cunningham voted “YES” to change the downstate teacher's pensions. You might think this does not matter to us but it does. They made this mess and we are going to pay for their mistakes. Senator Cunningham needs to go. Remember him next election.
This is a burning the candle at both ends solution for the city.
The financial costs are high and the physical costs are high and will reveal theirselves more and more the longer this program continues. It's simply not practical, nor healthy, to work as much as a lot of officers are. Yes the OT checks are very nice but at what cost?
If you notice every other special employment initiative has strict caps on how many of them you can work in any given month yet with VRI there are no such checks or balances.
Why you ask? Well it certainly isn't because the city wants to give you limitless OT .... it's because the department is so pathetically understaffed they have to do this. You're a mere pawn in the city's denial of being understaffed. You're helping them avoid hiring.
Yes you're making OT but again I ask at what physical cost?
Can you give Biden some love for this: https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/314766992898920448
Also if patrol is the back-bone of CPD why are the beat guys denied time off?
Nobody cares about patrol.
chumps
OT money is not pensionable, they are already after your pensions, you shall lose...
you pay taxes on OT $$$ but it is not awarded towards pensionable earnings.
that's how the already retired lost, especially after the city (dick daley) stole from their futures by neglecting to pay fair share into the system AND
using the money for bad investments
by his son and nephew.
meanwhile, my beat, my block, my house and my family gets no police service and the ghetto hood rats gets 24/7 - 365 police service and protection. So wrong in so many ways
It's all about the money . . .
Just because you are out there, don't think the gangsters aren't trying to think of ways around you. Be safe fellow officers.
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Ageed. It's about the money and remember there's 25% of the people living in this city below the poverty line. At least one in four of the people here and getting worse.
Over two million people in the state living on Food Stamps and that number grew at almost ten percent over the last year.
To quote "go get a job" the so-called best and brightest with the higher math and science scores have to create that job and the best and brightest are failing badly at it.
If anyone thinks that these people are just gonna throw their hands up and run over to the WalMart to fill out an application for a poverty-scale indentured servitude job that ultimately supports a system that could give two shits about them you need help.
It's also about survival and everyone learns to adapte to their environment to survive. Who really knows what will surface next? Time will tell.
The role models for these kids are the street corner mutts not the corporate CEO's as the latter belongs to a different society that they are not a part of nor ever see themselves as being a part of.
Yeah who cares about the money. Let the city go borrow more and sell another bond like they do when they need money for their clouted friends if they need more.
If they have $55 mil. for a memorial park and six-figure per mile bike paths that maybe, maybe, 10% or less of the population uses who cares!
You don't see any of those hidden clouted positions being cut do ya? The political appartus still has money for "trade missons" to exotic foriegn land with no tangible benefits or accountability for them.
Sell more bonds, borrow more money. Bush and Cheny already told us that deficits don't matter.
As long as I get mine hoo-ray for me and eff you that's what I say.
Several months ago MCsilly said we dont need anymore police officers.
Just sayin...
You following the Cyprus situation?
The banks were suppose to open last Tues. They are still closed. So now instead of the government taking 10% of the peoples money in savings accounts no-one can get access to any of it!!.
The government is now pitching plan b. Plan B is to go after the public pensions. Ya know...it's money just sitting there unused anyways. Look at all of it! Why don't we just borrow from that to get thru the crisis and we can pay it back later. Ha! Sound familure? Later comes and they are gonna need pension reform becuase the so-called glorious pension benefits are unsustainable. We reccomend that the public workers contribute more money to the pensions to bail themsleves out -- to make up for the money taken to bail out the elite bankers and their bond holders.
The people of Cyprus. How will they get access to their savings? After all this b.s. you know damn well if no restrictions are put in place on savings withdrawals once the banks are open again there will likely be a run on the banks like there's no tomorrow.
Why people still trust the banks even the USA banks is beyond me.
We're AMERICA damn it. That would never happen here. HA it already has but so far on a different level. The people that think America is somehow morally superior and civilized make me laugh. I think of the televised riots in the streets of Baghdad when it fell and some America's saying look at those poor animals. Looting carrying office funiture down main street and going wild. We're America and you would never see a scene like that here. We are a civilized society and we're better.
Then a few months later in New Orleans Katrina hit and it looked exactly like Baghdad.
Oh well, just some random thoughts.
learned that Atty Dan Herbert has been contacted by hundreds of candidates that Queen Tracey disqualified for no other reason than they were police family or military. Of those hundreds there are about 120 so far that he will be representing. If you know of anyone who failed for no other reason than they were police family have them contact his partner Terri.ryan@herbertlaw.com with a brief synopsis. Apparently they have several of the directors staff on the list to be deposed and talk is they aren't going to take a hit for her.
Hope it works out for those guys and gals. She must have had some other reason given to disqualify them, she cant be that stupid as to say they come from police families
Who cares about the cost, I am sitting pretty after paying off all my credit card bills and vehicle note! Time to raise my deferred comp to max deductions and keep raking in the dough for my sons college tuition! LATWTTB! (Laughing All The Way To The Bank)
You are going all the right things with that money Go for it and take care of the family
Seiser experienced burnout once, just once when he was driving a 69 Dodge Charger with a Hemi.
.....Why are we hiring back 400+ officers a night in 20 degree weather?.....
So that in the HOT summer months, we can hire back 1,000 officers each day, simple.
Penny Wise & Pound Foolish
Cops are coming back from their days off TIRED and burned out.
They have not spent time with thieir families and will make mistakes on the job and at home.
Stay Safe.don't get used to the extra money.
.....That's where FOP should get involved.Demand time and a half for CTA.....
We already tried that in the 80's and it flopped. Too many officers would ignore the (un-official) picket lines and work for straight time. Plus CTA could hire Sheriff's or State cops for less dough. There is no mandate that they hire us. Cops don't stick together, just read the comments.
We don't need no vri in 010 we got the bull dogs!!!!!!
My time off is worth more that they can ever pay me. With 27 years I could get every day that I would put in for but unless the the kids don't have food or I am about to lose the house it ain't worth it. Suckers.
Take the money while it lasts.
They are just going to do their robberies, burglaries and thefts in the districts where the citizens behave and pay the most taxes. HQ has depleted police protection in the law-abiding areas for the ghetto dwellers. It's already begun and citizens should be letting their representatives (aldermen) know that they better step up to the plate and make sure EVERYONE is protected because Rahm and McCarthy don't care.
The percent of Illinois students who are homeless or living in poverty has grown in recent years.
The Illinois State Board of Education reported Wednesday the proportion of low-income students grew from 37.9 percent to 49 percent between 2003 and 2012.
The ISBE says the spike in low-income students and those with limited English has led to increased costs for school districts. But state funding for education has decreased by more than $861 million, or nearly 12 percent, since the budget year
that started in July 2008.
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Capitalism is failing 50% of the population in Chicago. It should be no surprise that people are turning more to an underground economy for survival.
Meanwhile the best and brightest go clueless living in their own little world.
Go out and get a Rahm Emanuel welding job they say ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
There's a shortage of skills the elite corporations say ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Meanwhile gov. Quinn is out touting his school breakfast challenge -- oh lool what I built!! Leaves that propaganda scene and then Quinn cuts $800 million from that very program.
These leaders are full of it!
You can't learn anything when you're hungry and 50% of the school kids are living on the edge. Rahm calls that World-Class!
The World-Class city. Look at it in all it's glory! We just built a $55 mil dollar maggie daley park and that's World-Class! Arrogant lil' piece of s**t
Don't piss on the peoples head and tell them it's raining. low-income students grew from 37.9 percent to 49 percent between 2003 and 2012. THERE'S CHICAGO'S SO-CALLED ECONOMIC GROWTH RIGHT THERE.
Wave in some more non english speaking illegal immigrants that have contributed to raising the cost of education by $800 million dollars and respond to that by closing 50 schools in Chicago thereby pushing more people into poverty.
OT - names for sgt class to be announced thursday or friday. Gonna be a big class, three merit nominees from northside districts, four from southside districts, remaining from specialized units.
Vri should be double time and we should be allowed to take it as comp time
From Trib:
SPRINGFIELD—The Illinois House today approved a major change in the state pension system that could save an estimated $100 billion by cutting down the exponential growth of automatic cost-of-living increases for retiree paychecks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-illinois-house-approves-major-pension-reform-bill-20130321,0,3792169.story
There actually is no order, no sense, no rhyme, no reason, no rule, no formula such as --
"...cold weather plus more police will result in lower crime rates."
3/21/2013 03:14:00 AM
Like you say, just fewer witnesses!
OH -- HOW ARE THE SNITCHCARD BOXES COMING?
That whole project already long-completed and the huge mass of data being "reviewed" and "analyzed," I take it?
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I hear that they are now discussing the possibility of bringing in something called "CeaseFire" to "interrupt the violence."
* NEW STRATEGY * NEW STRATEGY * NEW STRATEGY *
"WELCOMING CITY, WELCOMING SCHOOLS" -- MIDNIGHT PRESS RELEASE -- PLANS FOR MASSIVE SPENDING ON 'MONEY-SAVING' SCHOOL CLOSINGS
"Despite a $1 billion budget deficit projected by Chicago Public Schools for next year, district officials rolled out a list of investments they will be pouring into schools receiving students displaced by school closings.
"District officials said they are closing a large number of schools, hoping to address the looming budget shortfall. They have not released how much it will cost to shut down schools, provide extra security and safety programs for students, and equip receiving schools with upgrades like science labs, libraries and air conditioning.
“Each welcoming school will have the things that parents, teachers and CPS agree students need, such as a library, air conditioning, dramatic computer and science technology upgrades, and counseling and social work support,” said school CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett in a press release issued shortly after midnight."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cps-announces-school-closing-investments-20130319,0,1963499.story
Crime is up in 016!! 016 is the cities tax payers. Can we get some protection up here. I had a conversation with a Sgt recently, he is married with 3 small children. This man has put bars on his house, how sad is this. How about some security for "THE CHILDREN" of the tax paying, working their asses off parents. And can somebody please tell joe citizens that city workers are tax payers. My taxes pay for all these shit bags who know nothing about earning a living.
When Seiser says wait a minute, you wait exactly sixty seconds.
Beavers found guilty
Why are we hiring back 400+ officers a night in 20 degree weather? Piss poor planning!
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ANSWER: Well, it's like this...
The weather last year around this time was in the low 80's. Therefore everything must be in place. That's actually well thought out planning in my book. What do you expect the city to do, Call the 400+ coppers at the last min. and cancel VRI because it's 20 degrees out instead of 80? Excuse me... gotta run! Gotta deposit my $2000 O.T. check!
To:
CPD, 011th District
3/21/2013 09:21:00 AM
Thank you. Your words mean a lot. I'll pass them along. 1st and foremost, please stay safe for your family, your friends and for your brothers and sisters in arms. Take every extra precaution you possibly can. God bless you.
It is going to be a long hot summer with 9.5% unemployment in Il. this city and state might turn into Cyprus.
This is a burning the candle at both ends solution for the city.
The financial costs are high and the physical costs are high and will reveal theirselves more and more the longer this program continues. It's simply not practical, nor healthy, to work as much as a lot of officers are. Yes the OT checks are very nice but at what cost?
If you notice every other special employment initiative has strict caps on how many of them you can work in any given month yet with VRI there are no such checks or balances.
Why you ask? Well it certainly isn't because the city wants to give you limitless OT .... it's because the department is so pathetically understaffed they have to do this. You're a mere pawn in the city's denial of being understaffed. You're helping them avoid hiring.
Yes you're making OT but again I ask at what physical cost?
3/21/2013 11:44:00 AM
Seriously? Put on your big boy pants
Anonymous said...
I know the money is very tempting, but guys need to look at the big picture. By working these OT programs we are allowing the Department to continue running under staffed. Don't work and force the city to hire more officers. More officers equals more money in the pension fund! Not to mention, more opportunities for time off! Eventually burn out is going to set in. This is the message that our unions should be communicating.
3/21/2013 05:10:00 AM
The big picture? If they don't hire anyone the pension is going to be screwed anyhow. Why not take care of your family now. Time off? Most cops work side jobs anyhow. Why not do it for 50 an hour as opposed to $20.00 an hour watching some garage etc.? Burn out? Quit and pound nails for a living, see how quickly you burn out then.
big hog balls guilty
he is not a punk
looks like father & son are not doing to good defending politicians
CTA and all extra work should be time and a half. Fucking pay up. We do a great job and deserve it.
Peace out!
3/21/2013 12:52:00 AM
You've got a pretty high opinion of yourself. I'd love to see your stats. The "peace out" says a lot about you too.
We have come so far from the Greatest Generation. Unfortunately I think that title will never be in jeopardy.
Anonymous said...
From Trib:
SPRINGFIELD—The Illinois House today approved a major change in the state pension system that could save an estimated $100 billion by cutting down the exponential growth of automatic cost-of-living increases for retiree paychecks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-illinois-house-approves-major-pension-reform-bill-20130321,0,3792169.story
3/21/2013 02:51:00 PM
That Msall person has long declared that, by cutting ONLY this item, the pension system can be saved.
Believe me this benefits the city as much or more than it benefits the officers working it.
When's the last time Rahm the Rat looked out for us? Or any unionized worker for that matter? That's right he never has.
This is all about Rahm the Rat and him avoiding hiring to address our woefully understaffed department.
Boy if only those sgts caved....
http://www.suntimes.com/opinions/18961190-474/editorial-police-sergeants-blew-chance-at-fair-contract.html
A public labor union had finally helped shape the inevitable: reduced pension benefits. A deal reached between the union and Mayor Rahm Emanuel could have helped save the Chicago Police pension fund, which is a measly 32 percent funded.
Block from the recruits on a wall, "fuck the foot police" wait till it gets warm they will be shooting at them.
Who is gonna run for FOP President. Peole start thinking of people's names. We need to get this goof out.
The "Hog with the big nuts" just got clipped!
Now if we could just keep the Adams Family streak going. Hell, we should pass the hat around and take up a collection to pay them to "defend" more politicians . . . . They'll all be on a long "vacation" before you know it.
I learned that Atty Dan Herbert has been contacted by hundreds of candidates that Queen Tracey disqualified for no other reason than they were police family or military. Of those hundreds there are about 120 so far that he will be representing. If you know of anyone who failed for no other reason than they were police family have them contact his partner Terri.ryan@herbertlaw.com with a brief synopsis. Apparently they have several of the directors staff on the list to be deposed and talk is they aren't going to take a hit for her.
I am one of these people. He's been very up front and is finally someone willing to help us. I've been fighting for months with everyone from HR to Silly Hall and was constantly blown off. I hope he can help.
Officers back on the street? How come you have (7) bodies sitting the front office of the 24th district?
OT.
What a goof.
Beavers: 'There's no law against gambling with campaign funds'
GeigerGeigerGeiger
Well Tracey Ladner is not giving a reason for failing the Pschy Test! it is just an e mail sent to the candidate saying that they were found Unsuitable to be a Chicago Police Officer, but feel free to take the next test, this FUCKED up city can't just say OK, you failed, but if you want, you can pay your own money and get tested, then we will except your findings, the company they use is screwedup, just doing a wholesale testing process, using new young confused doctors, TRACEY WILL PAY!!, she is going to take Gene Williams and Marv Shear with her!!!
So the Department lets you work all of your days off, you now work 25-30 days get burned out, get in a jam and boom, you and the dept. now get sued!. have an accident where you fall asleep at the wheel, etc, signs of Fatique,. The city doesn't care, you guys are all working for the man!!
FYI....http://www.westofthei.com/2013/03/21/update-new-information-on-missing-woman-from-salem/40309
Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Sgt. Bill Beth said the department has received information that puts Stephanie Billon in Chicago this afternoon
If you see Billon the Sheriff’s Department is asking you to notify your local police agency or the Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department at 262-605-5100 (main) or 262-605-5102 (Detective Bureau).
1 Sgt. and 10 recruits, just 90 days of street training to be sent out on foot patrol in High Crime areas! Is this department friggin nuts? Never mind, yes it is! I'm sorry, but those recruits are walking target practice. I think they'd be better served working beat cars to assist patrol instead of walking around in a box. We need more officers in patrol. Just my opinion.
O.T....Thought you guys might like to see this...http://www.guns.com/2013/03/21/womens-tactical-association-karen-bartuch/
Not LE ...JAFO
I can't help but think the decrease also has to do with the weather being so much colder this year.
Even so, I still think Rahm and McPuppet are idiots.
OT what is happening with regards to retired insurance
Anonymous said...
The taxpating areas have virtually no police presence. All the resources are sent to protect rif raff who pay no taxes. As a result I very rarely see a police patrol in my area of the city..
So is the city basically stealing my tax dollars?
3/21/2013 05:27:00 AM
From each District according to their ability to do without; to each District according to their perceived need.
Anonymous said...
That's where FOP should get involved.Demand time and a half for CTA, and double time for VRI from 1 JUN thur 31 AUG time and a half the other three quarters of the year. Also have all finacially viable concerts and sporting events hire an X amount of off-duty uniformed officers for their venues at $35.00 an hour, just like Rosemont, Joliet, and other suburbs do.
Dont forget the famous quote.. Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered...... Don't get greedy, it's guys like you that ruin good things for everyone else
"Chaos creates cash" (for us) and long hours for command staff. And everywhere around McGrumpy is chaos.
To all the coppers preaching about burn out from vri etc : GROW A SET .. My dad was on this job for 28 years and for several of those years had to work another full time job to make ends meet. I guess when you live with your parents or are independently wealthy you can condemn those of us just trying to make a living.
Well Tracey Ladner is not giving a reason for failing the Pschy Test! it is just an e mail sent to the candidate saying that they were found Unsuitable to be a Chicago Police Officer, but feel free to take the next test, this FUCKED up city can't just say OK, you failed, but if you want, you can pay your own money and get tested, then we will except your findings, the company they use is screwedup, just doing a wholesale testing process, using new young confused doctors, TRACEY WILL PAY!!, she is going to take Gene Williams and Marv Shear with her!!!
15 or 20 years ago they had the same problem with the psych test. At that time a group of guys sued and won and were eventually hired.
After that the city took the psych testing out of the city's hands and sent the tests to Califonia for independent testing
Is it true that vri will now have foot patrols in the 006 district due to the success that ppo patrpl has had?
Hey 7:02 p.m. one of them is so good at her office work the Commander put her in for merit Sgt.
Why are there people on here acting like officers working their days off is something new? If it wasn't vri they would be doing security somewhere. If they were going to burn out it would have happened already.
Anonymous said...
Also if patrol is the back-bone of CPD why are the beat guys denied time off?
Nobody cares about patrol.
3/21/2013 11:57:00 AM
How long did it take you to figure that out?
Geiger could have got the Beaver off.
That's where FOP should get involved.Demand time and a half for CTA, and double time for VRI from 1 JUN thur 31 AUG time and a half the other three quarters of the year. Also have all finacially viable concerts and sporting events hire an X amount of off-duty uniformed officers for their venues at $35.00 an hour, just like Rosemont, Joliet, and other suburbs do.
Dont forget the famous quote.. Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered...... Don't get greedy, it's guys like you that ruin good things for everyone else
Haha, I couldn't agree with that saying anymore. We are our own worst enemy. Lay low, be quiet and make the easy money while you can. It will come to an end soon enough
Anonymous said...
Officers back on the street? How come you have (7) bodies sitting the front office of the 24th district?
3/21/2013 07:02:00 PM
They are reviewing how to write street cleaning tickets and be meter maids up and down Bryn Mar.
Anonymous said...
So the Department lets you work all of your days off, you now work 25-30 days get burned out, get in a jam and boom, you and the dept. now get sued!. have an accident where you fall asleep at the wheel, etc, signs of Fatique,. The city doesn't care, you guys are all working for the man!!
3/21/2013 07:47:00 PM
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Thjose of you hitting the medical for "flu" for three days before your RDO's, then coming off and working VRI----watch out. Downtown has noticed the pattern......
You folks in Chicago are crazy, plenty of other departments that will pay and treat you better.
But someone has to do the job and so y'all stay anyway to fight what appears to be a losing battle.
All I can say is thank you and kick some ass.
To all the coppers preaching about burn out from vri etc : GROW A SET .. My dad was on this job for 28 years and for several of those years had to work another full time job to make ends meet. I guess when you live with your parents or are independently wealthy you can condemn those of us just trying to make a living.
3/22/2013 01:43:00 AM
That is nice. Admirable even, I suppose. But some people prefer to live within their means.
This might include, say just for example...not having a large brood of children while earning a municipal employee's salary.
It comes down to choices in life. I choose a lifestyle that does not require me to work a 2nd job.
To 12:50 pm. Wow that's heavy man
5:19 my dad was a single parent of TWO.Enjoy your "lifestyle" that doesn't require you to work a second job. I enjoy my lifestyle that allows me to work extra to save money for lifes sometimes unforseen events to which ,by judging your post, you don't have. Good luck with that.
a union, any union, is only as strong as it's weakest links.
the greater the percentage of weak links, the more difficult the task of union members not prone to, effectively, scab out their brethren, will be to maintain, let alone improve, on the collective bargaining agreement.
short term thinking leads to long term losses.
while this isn't rocket science, it is next to impossible to teach to those who have never had to actually struggle for what they currently enjoy.
get used to doing more for less, with less, because that's what those who think they're getting more now are going to get later.
My biggest fear about VRI is this. Cops are working all these extra shifts to reap the monetary benefits, but how soon before a cop who is tired and beat from all the extra work slips up and makes a tactical error that seriously injures him or another cop. I also fear that if this pace keeps up, by mid-summer burnout will take hold and a frustrated overworked cop will do something that may spark the major riot we have been fearing for years.
From each District according to their ability to do without; to each District according to their perceived need.
3/21/2013 10:54:00 PM
Straight from the Communist Manifesto by Marx.
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