CPD Shooting in the Burbs
- Chicago police said officers shot and killed a man in south suburban East Hazel Crest on Tuesday, after the man rammed a police vehicle.
Undercover Chicago police officers shot and killed 27-year-old Ryan Rogers as he and his girlfriend were leaving their apartment in the 1900 block of West 171st Street.
Chicago police said Rogers rammed a police vehicle, and the officers feared he would run them over with his car, so they opened fire.
Of course, everyone on the block was out in the 20 degree weather (with a wind chill of 7 degrees) and saw every single moment of the entire episode. CBS finds an assortment of "witnesses" who didn't hear the police identify themselves and a boatload of commentators who have no idea how Chicago Police are permitted to operate. Here's a hint - long term investigations aren't restricted by city borders.
In any event, expect the usual ignorant comments to continue.
In any event, expect the usual ignorant comments to continue.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
41 Comments:
Great job by all the cops involved especially DS. Great longterm investigation by the detectives.
WGN did a bang up job of interviewing "witnesses"that probably weren't even there. All with their own version. The same reporter always interviews questionable persons.
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
The cpd can't investigate.the isp will.move along now.
No need to get defensive, once again job well done ! No matter what town or street, if it walks like a mutt, talks like a mutt, it probably is a mutt. No event number required, just notify the ME.
Maxon in Des Plaines & Article 2 in Lombard have both done FFL to FFL Transfers for me where I take possession.
My home address is in Cook County and that's what I put on the transfer papers.
I got a firearm from G.A.T in East Dundee declaring Cook County residency.
G.A.T is now one of the largest retailers in the country, certianally one of the largest private retailers. No doubt, they have consulted with legal counsul concerning gun sales to legal FOID card holders residing in -- any -- Illinois County.
The 2nd Amendment says the right to bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED.
If the gun protected elites in the Peoples Republic of Cook County have a problem with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they should have there people in Washington D.C. submit an Amendment in Congress to strike down the 2nd Amendment or maybe Illinois should succeed from the Union.
But, they won't do that (just yet) because they know the blow back it will create will result in being removed from power.
So in stead, they bully Americans with the tactics used by the Mob and Nazi-like Dictators & impliment local, legislative fuckery akin to the tactics used to cover-up the State pension insolvency, while pushing the sale of IL Bonds.
It's a templet of legal and legislative fuckery used over and over to insulate themselves from the civil and criminal consequences from closing Meigs Field to selling the Parking Meters to a Company that immediately flips the asset to a Dubai consortium, among many other known and unknown over reaches of power by those elected to office.
And the citizens of IL just take it, at least the mopes in Cook County do (undocumented and otherwise).
I think the fuckery with the 2nd Amendment is where the over reaching without serious blow back may end.
And, if the "progressives" prevail, America will be changed forever.
An America without a 2nd Amendment as it existed when it was written is no longer America. It is a Country headed toward tyranny.
Who knows that better then we right-minded residents of Illinois?
Many Liberals get what the 2nd Amendment is about.
I saw that in a Townhall Danny Davis held where a constituent called-out Davis as he began his anti-2nd Amendment speech and most everyone in the room applauded the pro-2nd Amendment citizen. A majority of Americans get the 2nd Amendment.
I don't know how the afore mentioned establishments would deal with a Cook County resident buying a so called "Assault" rifle.
It would be a good idea to invest the time to personally visit any one of these places and ask them in person about purchasing as a Cook County resident.
OnTarget in Crystal Lake is another possibility, although I have never transacted any business with them concerning FFL Transfer or purchase.
Many retailers may be getting fed-up with the Nazi-like politicians that have a hold on power in Cook County/Chicago, so as a protest or in the spirit of it just not being worth the potential legal nuisance assault from the Cook County Nazi's in Springfield, they've decided to not serve Cook County residents.
Here's 10 minutes of former Congressman Col. Allen West worth listening to concearning the words of our forefathers and the 2nd Amendment.
http://www.therightscoop.com/allen-west-to-nra-an-armed-man-is-a-citizen-a-disarmed-man-is-a-subject/
-not a cop
off topic seiser for fop president!!! helping in the birth of a baby dolphin at brookfield zoo won me over,by the way wheres Dirty Debbie?
Not detective involved...
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
3/21/2013 03:16:00 AM
You better check your facts there sparky.
Lots of hibbity hibbity in da inaviews bys wgn. Too fucking funny!
Anonymous said...
WGN did a bang up job of interviewing "witnesses"that probably weren't even there. All with their own version. The same reporter always interviews questionable persons.
3/21/2013 02:33:00 AM
Funny how the "Offender" becomes the "victim" when certain reporters make up their stories. Nothing alleged about it???
Anonymous said...
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
3/21/2013 03:16:00 AM
Actually your powers of arrest only include Chicago and any municipality with a connecting border. Pay attention while in the Academy. In all other jurisdictions the local police have to make the physical arrest. You can take police action anywhere in the state but local PDs will be needed for actually arrest in above situations. Education is key!
vri is sending two teams, one to east hazel crest, one to regular hazel crest
(Anonymous said...
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
3/21/2013 03:16:00 AM)
You really should go back to "Police School" because you are wrong. Only have full Police powers in your jurisdiction, any bordering jurisdiction and anywhere in the State while on duty and in the scope of your job.
Glad the officers are okay. I have always found it interesting how many of these 'witnesses' crawl out from under their rocks to talk to the media but don't see a damn thing otherwise when it comes to talking to the police. Maybe if we carried lights and cameras, we'd get a better response since it seems all they want is to be on tv for their 15 minutes of fame so they can tell all their friends and family, and watch themselves over and over again.
I watched WGN news last night and they had pictures of the dudes car....not a scratch on it? "Rammed" the vehicle? I'm not saying the guy wasn't a POS, but, when you read one thing, and see another, supposedly from two credible sources, well, that's where I get corn-fused. What's the deal on this ram job folks? Someone is getting rammed....
-No Cop Here
Tom Folliard still the chief there?
Anonymous said...
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
3/21/2013 03:16:00 AM
And I did not know this! Thanks, you learn something new everyday...
OT. Tell ya what never seen so many vacations by public officials, president, mayor and xmayor. Economy in the shitter but their good times never seem to end and all at the cost of taxpayers!
Anonymous said...
(Anonymous said...
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
3/21/2013 03:16:00 AM)
You really should go back to "Police School" because you are wrong. Only have full Police powers in your jurisdiction, any bordering jurisdiction and anywhere in the State while on duty and in the scope of your job.
3/21/2013 11:14:00 AM
You're confusing General Orders with State Law. General Orders are far more limiting, but they are not law.
Anonymous said...
For the non-police readers, Chicago police officers have police powers issued by the state of Illinois, and have authority to make arrests throughout the state of illinois.
3/21/2013 03:16:00 AM
I have been retired for a few years, but when I left there was a Training Bulletin called Police Jurisdiction. It gives examples of situations in which we have arrest powers. If you are still on the job, you should look into it my brother.
902, any state certified police officer can make an arrest ANYWHERE in Illinois.
Great job officers. So long asshole.
Actually your powers of arrest only include Chicago and any municipality with a connecting border. Pay attention while in the Academy. In all other jurisdictions the local police have to make the physical arrest. You can take police action anywhere in the state but local PDs will be needed for actually arrest in above situations. Education is key!
Really?? Think you should go re-educate
"Actually your powers of arrest only include Chicago and any municipality with a connecting border. Pay attention while in the Academy. In all other jurisdictions the local police have to make the physical arrest. You can take police action anywhere in the state but local PDs will be needed for actually arrest in above situations. Education is key!"
Well, education is key. That is why you should read the training bulletin concerning jurisdiction. If you are investigating a crime that occurred in Chicago, you can make an arrest ANYWHERE in the State of Illinois concerning the Chicago offense. You don't need another peace officer to make the physical arrest. It is Illinois law 725 ILCS 5/107-4. Hey Mr. Education is key, go get your shine box!
I watched WGN news last night and they had pictures of the dudes car....not a scratch on it? "Rammed" the vehicle? I'm not saying the guy wasn't a POS, but, when you read one thing, and see another, supposedly from two credible sources, well, that's where I get corn-fused. What's the deal on this ram job folks? Someone is getting rammed....
-No Cop Here
3/21/2013 01:13:00 PM
check your anus.
Not a cop but I have several questions. If you are undercover and do not say you are the police can you just shoot at and arrest someone? Is the word of a cop that golden that we all assume cops do not lie in any situation? Again I was not there but the evidence is just cops word against the girlfriend in the car.
I long for the day's of Len O'Connor, Royko, etc !
Not a cop but I have several questions. If you are undercover and do not say you are the police can you just shoot at and arrest someone? Is the word of a cop that golden that we all assume cops do not lie in any situation? Again I was not there but the evidence is just cops word against the girlfriend in the car.
3/21/2013 10:00:00 PM
c'mon, SCC, this is getting monotonous.
yeah, we know they're out there, but, do you have to rub it in by posting them?
To Mr. Education is the key....I don't want your head to explode but CPD has been known to make arrests OUT OF STATE. Dicks love the airplane trip and one night sleepover before they fly the rascal back into Chicago.Did your shine box fall on your head? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Minneapolis is the current flight zone for the escaping thug from our beautiful Metro area.
this pretty much answers the jurisdiction question and authority to make an arrest
Laws 1963, p. 2836.)
(725 ILCS 5/107-4) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-4)
Sec. 107-4. Arrest by peace officer from other jurisdiction.
(a) As used in this Section:
(1) "State" means any State of the United States and
the District of Columbia.
(2) "Peace Officer" means any peace officer or member
of any duly organized State, County, or Municipal peace unit, any police force of another State, the United States Department of Defense, or any police force whose members, by statute, are granted and authorized to exercise powers similar to those conferred upon any peace officer employed by a law enforcement agency of this State.
(3) "Fresh pursuit" means the immediate pursuit of a
person who is endeavoring to avoid arrest.
(4) "Law enforcement agency" means a municipal police
department or county sheriff's office of this State.
(a-3) Any peace officer employed by a law enforcement agency of this State may conduct temporary questioning pursuant to Section 107-14 of this Code and may make arrests in any jurisdiction within this State: (1) if the officer is engaged in the investigation of an offense that occurred in the officer's primary jurisdiction and the temporary questioning is conducted or the arrest is made pursuant to that investigation; or (2) if the officer, while on duty as a peace officer, becomes personally aware of the immediate commission of a felony or misdemeanor violation of the laws of this State; or (3) if the officer, while on duty as a peace officer, is requested by an appropriate State or local law enforcement official to render aid or assistance to the requesting law enforcement agency that is outside the officer's primary jurisdiction; or (4) in accordance with Section 2605-580 of the Department of State Police Law of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. While acting pursuant to this subsection, an officer has the same authority as within his or her own jurisdiction.
(a-7) The law enforcement agency of the county or municipality in which any arrest is made under this Section shall be immediately notified of the arrest.
(b) Any peace officer of another State who enters this State in fresh pursuit and continues within this State in fresh pursuit of a person in order to arrest him on the ground that he has committed an offense in the other State has the same authority to arrest and hold the person in custody as peace officers of this State have to arrest and hold a person in custody on the ground that he has committed an offense in this State.
(c) If an arrest is made in this State by a peace officer of another State in accordance with the provisions of this Section he shall without unnecessary delay take the person arrested before the circuit court of the county in which the arrest was made. Such court shall conduct a hearing for the purpose of determining the lawfulness of the arrest. If the court determines that the arrest was lawful it shall commit the person arrested, to await for a reasonable time the issuance of an extradition warrant by the Governor of this State, or admit him to bail for such purpose. If the court determines that the arrest was unlawful it shall discharge the person arrested.
(Source: P.A. 94-846, eff. 1-1-07; 95-423, eff. 8-24-07; 95-750, eff. 7-23-08; 95-1007, eff. 12-15-08.)
We have officers deputized by the US Marshalls just for situations where an arrest is needed to be made outside the City and bordering towns touching the City. The subject has to have a warrant for our deputized guys to travel and lock someone up in Illinois.
You get outside agencies involved for safety reasons and then for any evidence that might be recovered. It is preferred that the outside agencies recover the evidence in their jurisdiction.
You also want to be able to use any statements made by the bad guy. That is why you do it this way. Evidence and statement use in court. Stronger case.
When you are outside your jurisdiction you are limited to what a regular citizen is entitled to do. There's a Pandora's box you open up legally and civilly when you take action outside your jurisdiction and you do more than the average citizen can do.
I'm not a lawyer. Maybe a lawyer can comment on the issues just mentioned.
Actually your powers of arrest only include Chicago and any municipality with a connecting border. Pay attention while in the Academy. In all other jurisdictions the local police have to make the physical arrest. You can take police action anywhere in the state but local PDs will be needed for actually arrest in above situations. Education is key!
3/21/2013 10:06:00 AM
Your comments should motivate the academy to have more in-service training as your misunderstanding of what is law and procedure shows ignorance.
(725 ILCS 5/107-4) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-4)
Sec. 107-4. Arrest by peace officer from other jurisdiction.
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To whomever posted this, good job. Also, any active police officer who did not already know his should be embarrassed.
Be safe out there
and in addition....
(65 ILCS 5/7-4-7) (from Ch. 24, par. 7-4-7)
Sec. 7-4-7. The territory which is embraced within the corporate limits of adjoining municipalities within any county in this State shall be a police district.
(Source: Laws 1961, p. 576.)
(65 ILCS 5/7-4-8) (from Ch. 24, par. 7-4-8)
Sec. 7-4-8. The police of any municipality in such a police district have full authority and power as peace officers and may go into any part of the district to exercise that authority and power. For these purposes the mayor of any municipality in the district, and the chiefs of police therein, shall use the police forces under their control anywhere in the district.
(Source: P.A. 90-593, eff. 6-19-98; 91-319, eff. 7-29-99.)
Know when you can get involved in shit , especially off duty...
3/21/2013 11:14:00 AM
You're confusing General Orders with State Law. General Orders are far more limiting, but they are not law.
3/21/2013 05:46:00 PM
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You are wrong. Amazing how many people on here that are CPD have really no idea when they are the Police and NOT the Police...
Anywhere in the State when acting in the scope of your duties (investigations, on view while involved in an investigation, and inside your "Police District" (not to be confused with a CPD Dist) which is any connecting, bordering municipality to Chicago: ie. have full peace officer status in Oak Lawn and Niles, but NOT Arlington Hts or Orland Pk.
People really should know this shit. A mistake may wind up costing you $$$.
Actually your powers of arrest only include Chicago and any municipality with a connecting border. Pay attention while in the Academy. In all other jurisdictions the local police have to make the physical arrest. You can take police action anywhere in the state but local PDs will be needed for actually arrest in above situations. Education is key!
Really?? Think you should go re-educate
3/21/2013 08:42:00 PM
Your police powers are for the State of Illinois. You enforce STATE laws. The "I" in ILCS.
I love people who get all their "experience" from a book. Why don't you go put your hands on some people. You might learn something.
Looks like your reading for your teaching stint in the academy. Think back to the ball bags that taught shit in the academy. They never did shit and tried to tell you what to do. Do you know any copper worth his weight that would teach at the academy? No. It's full of do nothing jags. Just another hiding place for people who don't want to work.
Go lock somebody up in Peoria, Springfield, Effingham, etc.. What are you going to do? No outside agency will accept the head in their station without a warrant. Are you going to transport this guy back to Chicago? What if you do this with no warrant and charges are rejected by the State. You going to bring him back to Effingham? Are you going to release him a let him find his way back to Springfield?
725 ILCS 5/107-4 (12-15-08) supercedes 65 ILCS 5/7-4-7 and 7-4-08 (07-29-99)regarding arrest powers out of jurisdiction.
Tom Folliard is still the Chief at Hazel Crest PD.
725 ILCS 5/107-4) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-4)
Sec. 107-4. Arrest by peace officer from other jurisdiction.
(a) As used in this Section:
(1) "State" means any State of the United States and
the District of Columbia.
(2) "Peace Officer" means any peace officer or member
of any duly organized State, County, or Municipal peace unit, any police force of another State, the United States Department of Defense, or any police force whose members, by statute, are granted and authorized to exercise powers similar to those conferred upon any peace officer employed by a law enforcement agency of this State.
(3) "Fresh pursuit" means the immediate pursuit of a
person who is endeavoring to avoid arrest.
(4) "Law enforcement agency" means a municipal police
department or county sheriff's office of this State.
(a-3) Any peace officer employed by a law enforcement agency of this State may conduct temporary questioning pursuant to Section 107-14 of this Code and may make arrests in any jurisdiction within this State: (1) if the officer is engaged in the investigation of an offense that occurred in the officer's primary jurisdiction and the temporary questioning is conducted or the arrest is made pursuant to that investigation; or (2) if the officer, while on duty as a peace officer, becomes personally aware of the immediate commission of a felony or misdemeanor violation of the laws of this State; or (3) if the officer, while on duty as a peace officer, is requested by an appropriate State or local law enforcement official to render aid or assistance to the requesting law enforcement agency that is outside the officer's primary jurisdiction; or (4) in accordance with Section 2605-580 of the Department of State Police Law of the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois. While acting pursuant to this subsection, an officer has the same authority as within his or her own jurisdiction.
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