Again, the Illusion of Security
Recent events in Boston bring this nonsensical approach to police work to the fore again:
- In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing, which saw the use of footage from cell phones and closed circuit TV cameras to help identify the suspected bombers, pundits and elected officials alike have been singing the praises of urban camera networks—and suggesting that ever more such government surveillance is the key to stopping future attacks.
But a closer look at the facts suggests just the opposite: Dispersed “Little Brother” monitoring by private cameras can provide many of the benefits of centralized “Big Brother” surveillance by governments—but without the public expense or risks to civil liberties
Boston has less than 60 law enforcement cameras under their control and the best video identifying the terrorists came from a private cameras system at a Lord and Taylor clothing store.
New York has over 3,000 cameras, not one of which prevented a car bomb being planted in Times Square a few years ago. Chicago has any number depending on whom you believe and how many are actually functioning on any given day (but still, no one watching them). They have done zero to prevent crime and almost the same for solving a crime, merely placing a vehicle or person in the vicinity of a crime.
But nanny-staters still insist that all that is needed are more cameras and crime will cease to exist. Usually, that means their cousin has a company that installs these things or a contact that sells them. It's nonsense and drains scarce dollars from actually hiring police. Tiny Dancer is hiring cops back at time-and-one-half, and it isn't because he's cutting back on cameras - it's because Chicago found out the hard way that cops on the street prevent crime.
New York has over 3,000 cameras, not one of which prevented a car bomb being planted in Times Square a few years ago. Chicago has any number depending on whom you believe and how many are actually functioning on any given day (but still, no one watching them). They have done zero to prevent crime and almost the same for solving a crime, merely placing a vehicle or person in the vicinity of a crime.
But nanny-staters still insist that all that is needed are more cameras and crime will cease to exist. Usually, that means their cousin has a company that installs these things or a contact that sells them. It's nonsense and drains scarce dollars from actually hiring police. Tiny Dancer is hiring cops back at time-and-one-half, and it isn't because he's cutting back on cameras - it's because Chicago found out the hard way that cops on the street prevent crime.
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No Chicago found that the feds will pay for it. So until the fed money ends there will be VRI.
The Principality of Monaco has more video security cameras per square mile than any nation on Earth.
...but then again, Monaco is less than 0.75 square miles in land area, only 1/8 the land area of Englewood.
Police Officers prevent crime..Cameras record crime..
Oh... maybe you haven't seen the latest...
Bloomberg: New Yorkers will 'never know where our cameras are'
"The privacy issue has really been taken off the table,” Kelly said Thursday....
Mayor Bloomberg agreed, using the press conference to slam the “special interests” who have objected to his policies.
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“You’re never going to know where all of our cameras are,” Bloomberg told reporters gathered outside City Hall. “And that’s one of the ways you deter people; they just don’t know whether the person sitting next to you is somebody sitting there or a detective watching.”
Kelly said the Domain Awareness System, nicknamed “the dashboard,” would centralize already existing data captured on the between 3,500 and 6,000 cameras already placed throughout the city with new technology developed in conjunction with Microsoft. The project is expected to take three years to complete and cost between $40 and $50 million.
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Paranoid schizo's -- You dare to question my plan!?
How many suicide bombers are worried about being brought to justic after their dead?
Meanwhile, the cheers go up in places like Boston USA-USA-USA as peoples civil rights are getting walked on.
Read the entire thing at the link above. Fear is a powerful motivator.
How the hell does a camera prevent a car bomb from being planted?
Just an excellent post SCC. spot on.
One of the very few things that Jesse Jackson Sr. ever said that I agree with was, "Cameras don't stop the pain. Cameras only watch the pain."
Even he knows that we have to HIRE MORE POLICE.
He also said something about cutting someone's nuts off. I agree with that statement also.
As i pointed out earlier conan o'brien compared tiny dancer to stuewie on family guy a tantrum throwing pint sized schemer with delusions of grandeur. Nice to his Cheapness royally screwed by his own devices
The first thing out of Emanuel's mouth after Boston was "We need more cameras". Why?
More deal$ with kick back$ for him, period.
None of your rulers care about this stuff beyond the next poll.
They will continue to allow unfettered immigration of folks like the Tsarnaevs because they hate the American people more then they fear jihadists.
OT. I think I heard this right. On Zone 6 the other day I thought I heard that CPD has only ONE bomb sniffing pooch.??? Dogs were brought from Midway (not sure who they belonged to)to expedite the evaluation of an abandoned suitcase in a parking lot.
More OT. The gals on Zone 6 are an entertainment show unto themselves. The job about someone "punching a puppy" a couple of months ago was a classic.
Wow, another BS idea Genghis Rahm can feed the masses to appease them and make them all feel safe while taking no actual action.
viva VRI!VIOLENCE REDUCTION INITIATIVE is workin!!
FBI did not alert state’s anti-terror unit to its probe of suspected bomber in 2011
04/25/2013 9:16 PM
By Bryan Bender, Peter Schworm,, Globe Staff
WASHINGTON — Antiterrorism intelligence units in Massachusetts were never notified that FBI agents had examined the activities of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011, further evidence of gaps in the network of post-9/11 measures that may have contributed to insufficient scrutiny of the suspected Marathon bomber.
The Boston Regional Intelligence Center and the Commonwealth Fusion Center in Maynard, which are supposed to serve as clearinghouses for information about potential threats, were unaware that the FBI interviewed Tsarnaev as part of a three-month investigation after Russian agents alerted US officials to his increasing radicalization, officials said.
“We were not privy to the tip,’’ said David Procopio, the spokesman for the Massachusetts State Police, which oversees the Fusion Center. “They didn’t share that information with us.”
Without that information, the Fusion Center was never in a position to help federal authorities connect the dots on a potentially dangerous person. They could not evaluate the relevance of Tsarnaev’s six-month trip to Russia in 2012; assess whether his potentially extremist views may have further hardened after he returned to his home in Cambridge; or decide whether authorities needed to interview him again.
boston.com
I will donate my Polaroid Land Camera to the effort.
Every police station has a special computer that has those cameras on it. But the big lie is that no one is watching what the cameras are showing. And the bosses are getting event numbers as if someone were watching them, but there isn't enough manpower to have someone watching them. . . .
One should hear the reactions supervisors when someone tries to use one of those computers for, holy cow, police work like running names or trying to find the photo of a suspect, or check crime stats in a particular area.
There is no security:
Russia caught Tamerlan Tsarnaev and mother on wiretap discussing jihad.
(and told us about it, but) why should the FBI have done anything? They've been taught for two years now that jihad is a peaceful spiritual struggle, a noble and beautiful thing. To have acted on this would have been "Islamophobic."
...from jihadwatch.org
All the King's Horses and all the King's men...
Nobody mentioned the violation of civil liberties in Massachusetts inside the search box. Taxpayers at gunpoint getting ordered out of their house and then their house and their person searched. The criminal was not even in the search box.
IT makes you wonder if that would have been done in minority neighborhoods or in Kenilworth.
The same thing was done with the New Orleans PO and guns were confiscated from private citizen's houses without a warrant during the hurricaine. The resulting civil suit produced a federal court injuntion against the search and seizure for the future in N.O. and victims were compensated for the loss of the "missing firearms" from the police inventory.
I think cameras are necessary, and are ONE tool to be used in solving crime. Might prevent an occasional minor crime. To rely on a camera only is wrong. Nothing beats a marked squad car or uniformed officer, but in today's world that is not enough. Watch the Boston Marathon video....
We let three thousand cops retire w/ no replacements. Now we pay the price and have to hire coppers back at time and a half while we push people through the Academy. Big mistake.
We let the Detectives ranks dwindle until our clearance rate became an embarrassment. Now we scramble to promote, but we have lost all that experience. Big mistake.
We got rid of city wide units that could deploy to trouble areas at the drop of a hat. Shootings and murders sky rocketed and put Chicago front and center on the national news. Chicago's new reputation as "Murder City" won't go away no matter how many press conferences the Mayor and Superintendent have. Big mistake.
Those are three obvious mistakes that the Superintendent and the mayor are trying to fix. Their inexperience here caused Chicago to become a dangerous place.
Hiring two Superintendents from out of state and a carpetbagger Mayor? Well that looks like a big mistake too.
The hypocrisy of the statement is in and of itself: "key in stopping future attacks." How? The cameras used to identify suspected offenders after the fact are not preventing anything from happening. They simply document the event.
How the hell does a camera prevent a car bomb from being planted?
4/28/2013 12:51:00 AM
That's the illusion.
Hey 10:16 AM Your opening paragraph says it all. "We let 3,000 retired". Number 1 who is "we" junior and number 2 I SERVED HONORABLY for 32 yrs. and so did all my Brothers and Sisters who retired with over 20 on the job. Now go back hair gel and tell us how great u are. Was kickin butt and lockin up bad guy when you were swimming in daddy's sack ASSHOLE!
Work VRI FOOLS. Retire now if you can. NO more health for all active. Pay 1,000 per month out of pension for Ins. Younger-less than 20 yoj-probably will get medicaid and half whay U thought pension would be. Laughed at me before I warned you. Matter of time before it blows up in your face. 4-3-2-1. You guys are fools to stick. You will be the first to get it jammed up the dirt shoot. Just sayin.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think cameras are necessary, and are ONE tool to be used in solving crime. Might prevent an occasional minor crime. To rely on a camera only is wrong. Nothing beats a marked squad car or uniformed officer, but in today's world that is not enough. Watch the Boston Marathon video....
4/28/2013 09:50:00 AM
A private security camera recorded the marathon bombers and helped SOLVE the crime.
But police officers, who make traffic stops, who check identification, who talk with people who notice unusual activity, who follow up on criminal actions, who are a deterrent just by virtue of being present... well, they PREVENT crime.
Cameras are a tool not a panacea for crime. Got to properly use the tools available. From the sounds of it no one is using them properly.
I will donate my Polaroid Land Camera to the effort.
4/28/2013 08:11:00 AM
I'll see your Polaroid Land Camera and raise you one Brownie Box.
The FBI dropped the ball. There useless.
But, but, if any terrorists wearing black trench coats and fedoras show up carrying a round bomb with a sputtering fuse and with "BOMB" stenciled on the side of it, the cameras will stop that sucker cold.
If anyone is actually watching the monitor.
Anonymous said...
I will donate my Polaroid Land Camera to the effort.
4/28/2013 08:11:00 AM
I'll see your Polaroid Land Camera and raise you one Brownie Box.
4/28/2013 08:34:00 PM
I'll toss in my Instamatic and a box of flashcubes!
Big Brother or The Anti-Christ has been born and is growing fast.
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