Concealed Carry Bill Moves Forward
These idiots in Springfield are going to have to be held by the hand and guided through everything, step by step, by a federal judge at some point:
- Favored by gun-control advocates, a push establishing tight limits on where Illinois gun owners could carry their weapons in public advanced in the state Senate Thursday over objections from the National Rifle Association.
The measure, which passed the Senate Executive Committee by a 10-4 vote, with one member voting present, surfaced less than a month before a June 9 deadline imposed by a federal appeals court for Illinois to end its last-in-the-nation prohibition on concealed-carry.
"I'm trying to do something to respond to the mandate of the court to promote and preserve public safety and to balance the rights of the law-abiding gun owners in the process," state Sen. Kwame Raoul (D-Chicago), the bill's chief Senate sponsor, told the panel.
Within Chicago, Raoul's legislation would require police Supt. Garry McCarthy to sign off on all concealed-carry applicants before they could get permits from the Illinois State Police, setting up what gun-rights advocates fear would be a choke-point that could keep city gun owners from getting licenses.
"I can see Garry McCarthy abusing the snot out of that," said National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde, who opposed the legislation.
Mr. Vandermyde has that correct, and that's not the only political hack lining up to obstruct citizens their Rights:
- Raoul's bill, which could be voted on by the Senate Friday, also would permit Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart and other sheriffs to lodge objections to any concealed-carry applicants that the State Police would have to consider along with 17 other qualifying hurdles.
Among those requirements are the broad standards of whether an applicant demonstrates "good moral character" and whether the issuance of a concealed-carry license to that person is "consistent with public safety."
One legislative critic said that standard is too vague.
"Good moral character" would rule out the City Council. And the police superintendent for that matter. Eighteen procedural hurdles and roadblocks thrown in the way of American citizens exercising a Right spelled out in the Constitution.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
36 Comments:
Looks like the City, County and State will be tagged for another few mil$ in legal bills on this.
The CPD Superintendent as the approver of CCW? Only those who have the blessing of the Crook County Democrat Party need apply.
ANd how soon until someone gets indicted for selling CCW's?
This new bill restricts carry virtually to just walking through the neighborhood, or taking out the garbage (literally, not figuratively).
Not on public transportation, not at sporting venues, not here, not there, not anywhere.
Seriously? How many more millions and millions of dollars is Illinois and, of course, Chicago, going to end up paying out over their refusal to abide by the Constitution?
good moral character. HOOOLLEEEEEEE SSSHHHHEEEEEEEEIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT. you gotta be kidding me. that rules out all cook county politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A drunken goof that shoots out streelights is going to judge others.. Yea ..right.. just the type of activity that the NRA abhors.
So the fox guards the hen house as the chicken hawk circles overhead while the rat snake steals the eggs. Nowww I get it!
Remember, the goal is to keep CC tied up in the courts as long as possible. The state dems are hoping the US congress implements a total ban at some point thus aliviating them of following the judges order.
Good.
I have 28 relatives and friends, with counsel, waiting to be denied so he can be sued personally.
Wouldn't those laws prevent some po's from carrying ?
I read that entire Bill and I see nothing really wrong with it. (eyes rolling)
Except, 'just maybe', for the obvious Jurisdictional Issues. The costs involved which will effect the people who need to carry a gun the most in the first place; seniors, poor, single women, bad neighborhoods, work location, etc, etc (not that 'need' has anything to do with the 2A). The rampant Crook County Corruption and Supt McNitwit's 'approval', or any future Rahmbo lackey.
I also 'like' that the CCW License will be good only with/for the handgun you Certified with. So much for carrying a smaller gun in summer if your main gun is a 1911 (guess I gotta get much longer shirts). It's also neat the way a mini Universal Background Check was tucked in for all IL private gun sales among FOID holders; Just check the ISP website for an 'instant' confirmation number -- riiiight.
Or that basically everywhere mass killings occur guns will be off limits, makes sense to me (Free Fire Zones are 'Fun'). Other than that it seems fine.(eyes rolling again)
Legislation based upon integrity, honesty or fairness do not apply to The People's Republic of Crook County. Meanwhile Aldertrash Burke carries a snub-nose .38 revolver in an ankle holster while being driven around by an armed, paid for by the public driver! He does not need CCW and is of Good Character until he gets indicted.
That's fine but give McCarthy 30 days to do it.
The first person in Chicago to be issued a concealed carry permit willbe State Sen. Donne trotter. Now he can quit his part time security guard job and devote more time to state business. Thank God!!
Ok ok how does it cost to get "good moral character"?
How can you judge morals when you have none. These people are rotten to the core
If this does pass, I want to see if he is going to deny any police officers spouses a permit. Look what happened in California the deranged maniac went after Officers families and loved ones. Just being forced to live in this shit hole is enough justification to obtain a permit. Our families have to live here because of us if they are denied a permit my family members will take it all the way to the highest court.
It's called concealed carry. Who the fuck will know if I have my shit when I get on a CTA vehicle, or walk into sox park? Full body frisk?
Chicago will never vote for any kind of CCW,EVER.They will be forced to go to SCOTUS as a last resort and will only use it as a delaying action to politically manuever as usual.
Doesn't apply if you don't live in Cook County. So we suburbanites can still carry our guns to Chicago.
Hey POPO, these restrictions are ok with me. I've got 25 yrs on, and I don't mind fewer guns in the hands of our crazed citizens.
A vote of present should be grounds for removal. What kind of pussy takes no stand on an issue that the people he represents elected him to work on?
Oh, that's right. Our president Sparklefarts who is now being shown for what he is. An inept tyrant who should never have held office in the first place. Typical Chicago politician of the socialist brand.
I wonder what kind of restrictions they will try to put on retired POs concealed carry?
Kwame the idiot also says that you will have to provide a 'valid reason' for asking for a permit, and that 'it was cleared in Indiana'. That's the way it was in Indiana years ago, not any more, Indiana is now a 'shall issue' state. Kwame needs to get a new Indiana statute book before somebody notices and makes him look stupider than he already does.
I am not surprised about this. Why isn't Chicago its own state yet? Chicago has and always will be on its own agenda.
They are just trying to throw shit in the game b
If they did this to the 1st amendment you would hear the beefing all the way to Cuba.What a bunch of asshole's.
Good moral character who would they ask and would that be against the Hippa Laws for doctors to discuss people's moral character and who are they to judge people? If your talking about trustworthy stand up people that means every Democrat in the state cannot be given a permit.
The state can't deny 40% of the population the right to own and carry a gun. This bill that is being greased through the legislature is just another delaying tactic by the Communist Democrats to keep you from defending yourself and your home. At some point the courts will force the politicians to obey the 2nd Ammendment and allow Conceal/Carry with an FOID card, no criminal history, no mental defects, and taking a safety course.
NRA.. please open your warchest and sure the crap out of Chicago, crooked county and Illinois!!!
Illinois we don't have 2nd amendment rights that the court has mandated.
Sue sue sue!!!
The Bill of Rights, the most important part of our Consitution. In fact the BOR was considered so vital that the only way the original Consitution was passed was if the BOR was included in the original document. These rights are considered so sacred that they were all drafted as a grouped set of rights with the consitution. These were an absolute limit on when and how government could intrude into the people's lives. What do you think our founding fathers would say right now if they learned that in order to exercise your second ammendment right, you needed the permission of the State (in form of a FOID and a CCP), as well as the permission of the Sheriff and the local Police Chief (not to mention the local hack politicians and bureaucrats)? I think they would tell you that something for which you must seek permission is no longer a right, but has now become a privledge.
Imagine needing a permit before you can worship in a church, or join the local Lions club, or before you can log onto the internet(all 1st ammendment rights)? Or how about a permit before you can vote? Or how about a permit being needed to drive up to the Dells for the weekend?
Sounds crazy, but that is no differant that what they are doing to the second ammendment. The second ammendment by the way was considered so important that it fell into the BOR before either the 4th (freedom from unreasonalbe search and seizure) or the 5th (right against self incrimination). The founding fathers had just fought a bitter war against a tyrannical regime over the abuses of exactly these same rights. They understood that a well armed citizenry was the final defense against tyranny. Thomas Jefferson once said, "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
King George and his abuses against the 13 colonies is nothing compared to what the politicians are doing to the American people today. Gun control laws have absolutely nothing to do with gun control, they are all about the political elites maintaining their control over you and I.
I haven't heard all the details, but - one set of rules for Chicago, and another for the rest of the state? Seriously??? That is a lawsuit waiting to happen...
--No Cop Here
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey POPO, these restrictions are ok with me. I've got 25 yrs on, and I don't mind fewer guns in the hands of our crazed citizens.
5/17/2013 10:02:00 AM
25years on WHAT, cocaine?
The police don't call each other 'popo'. And they know concealed carry will quickly drive street crime down.
5:54 PM....not to ruin the fantasy but the Bill of Rights was worked out by the 1st Congress, following ratification of the Constitution by at least nine states. Over 100 amendments were submitted for consideration, and Mr. Madison oversaw that 10 were passed, the original Bill of Rights. These were based on the Bill of Rights that was part of the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780.
An armed man is a freeman a disarmed man is a subject.
I have a problem with people who hate guns and are squeemish about self-defense making the laws for the rest of us about how we can defend ourselves. Shitheads won't obey the laws, of course.
That is like prudish high collar quaker women making laws about men's entertainment, pole dancing and prostitution; non-drinker's administering alcohol regulations, people without driver's licenses making rules for sports care of motorcycles and the like.
This stroke, kwome, is just a hack democratic suckhole politician trying to earn points with the hierarchy of democrat coward bastards.
Oh, and a message for Ed Burke: Mrs O'Leary DID start the Chicago Fire, Butch O'Hare's father was a crooked mafia lawyer for an Italian mobster and you cannot sing or play Danny Boy worth a shite. Fuck you and your wrinkled up old whoore of a wife.
I haven't heard all the details, but - one set of rules for Chicago, and another for the rest of the state? Seriously??? That is a lawsuit waiting to happen...
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no lawsuit here. Chicago has been exempt from other Illinois laws for years, Chicago is an exception when it comes to funding education. There has and always will be different laws and rules for Chicago.
PS Also something you evidently havent heard of "home rule"
PS Also something you evidently havent heard of "home rule"
5/19/2013 06:18:00 PM
yes, another unconstitutional infringement upon equal protection.
a state of felinois hallmark.
one amongst many.
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