Foot Patrols Assaulted
From the comments and as predicted by numerous readers:
- 5 PPO's in 003 on this BS foot patrol detail were almost run down by a m1, on 63/king dr
PPO's did not fire, vehicle sped away and fired at pursuing officers blocks away, both offenders were arrested after crashing
Wtf is it going to take to end this foot patrol bullshit, these poor kids do not realize how Much they're being screwed over
The "poor kids" can't do much about it. Minimal protections and representation for the first 12 months, full FOP services after 18 months. But that doesn't mean that the leadership should put them in harms way.
Did they get charges on the mopes arrested?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
82 Comments:
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
All in the name of " We Are Fighting Crime" somebody is going to be killed over this. As stated before this is a dangerous and unnecessary risk to officers and the public.the only time something will be said by the slumtimes and trashbune is when. someone gets killed
And they didn't shot because it is drilled into their heads that they'll get fired if they do.
Agg fleeing an eluding for the driver. Violation of parole. Agg assault with car. Passenger had outstanding warrant in Ohio and also had his parole violated. No one could put the gun in the hand of either person in the car. Gun was DNA swabbed.
...and the band played on.
The department is clearly hanging these recruits out to dry.
If Rahmmie and McFailure want it then it will happen, safety be damned.
Wtf? Hope these new guys learned a good lesson today. The city does not care about you!
Put Obama's pal Rahm out there with them and see how soon the foot patrols are over.
I bet there were no attempt murder charges for attempting to run the PPO's over because that's "just part of our job to be roadkill" right?
I pray that none of these foot patrols get hit by stray bullets. I worry about the summer.
If a copper gets hit on foot patrol Garry should be crucified. This is not NYC you idiot.. more like Baghdad. Coppers should be patrolling in vehicles simply for protection.
They are the police. They finished there fto cycle. This is our job. The people of the community can stand out there but police with guns can't?????
To the first poster at 12:13.
No one disputes that foot patrols can be effective in reducing crime. However , the problem with the foot patrols here in Chicago is that they are using recruits. The recruits are thrown to the wolves and they have no guidance other than their academy training and other recruits. I hate to say it and I hope that I am wrong , but I do believe that this latest incident in 003 will be one of many where these recruits will be targeted by the ghetto super predator.
PPO's please do what you have to do to go home every single night. Don't let the people from academy freak your out about getting fired. It's your life out there standing around on a stupid foot post that really doesn't work in the spread out communities of Chicago. It does in NY because its so condense of a city. If a POS attempts to run you over with their vehicle that is a weapon and you pull out you gun and start shooting. Also don't stop shooting till the POS stops moving. It will be justified as long as you can Articulate your life was in danger.
Please be safe
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
Ok troll go away now you loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are not a troll you have to be a complete idiot with ZERO common sense. Lets compare a bit, how many police officers does NY have compared to us? I am gonna go out on a limb and say we are a little short handed also.
And I am not sure but have you ever been to 63rd and State st? I am gonna let you in on a little secret. FOOT PATROL WILL NEVER WORK THERE.
Now go troll somewhere else LOSER!!!
FUGM!!
"Wtf? Hope these new guys learned a good lesson today. The city does not care about you!"
YES!
Anonymous said...
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
5/08/2013 12:13:00 AM
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE WHITE SHIRT!
What about the safety of the officers? Why don't you do foot patrols in a dangerous neighborhood? Would you send your own kid out on foot patrol in a dangerous neighborhood? A white shirt told me at headquarters that "I would never send my son out on that bullshit". Yet you feel it is perfectly fine to send others to do that.
The foot patrol concept may be effective in New York but it is not comparable her due to the difference in demographics. New York utilizes their version of McNutty's operation impact in areas where the population is significantly congested and there are multiple high-rise or other high volume multi-residential buildings. Two coppers can walk a three block square and stay busy all day. We do not have that populous design. Modern foot patrol is effective in congested areas that would render officers responding in vehicles ineffective due to slowed response time due to traffic. Weren't the ATVs, Segways and bicycles put into service as a means of patrol and response in congested areas? The business district down in the Loop, business corridors in many outlying districts as well as large parks and festivals that are occasionally unreachable by car, suv or wagon were all recipients of the alternative response vehicles to press into service. Our City (NOT McNutty's) is not designed as upward residential, we are vast. We go out not up. If the brain-trust wants a show of force then put out the armored personnel carriers to tour high crime areas or dog-up some old beaten suvs with some lights, ram bars, ladders, antennas and cages on the windows and put them up 3 or 4-deep with coppers driving around the urban warzones with them. Anyway... just conceptualizing---- Residential area foot patrol is nothing but an ineffective hyped up PR move. Enough said.
Anonymous said...
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New York.
The reason foot patrols work in New York is because their population is much more dense than Chicago's. Here are a couple of articles which should illustrate why foot patrols won't work in Chicago. I think there are even fewer officers in Chicago than the articles state.
http://chicagowarrior.blogspot.com/2012/03/chicago-police-manpower.html
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/August-2012/City-Size-and-Police-Presence/
FTO's can file a safety grievance on behalf of the PPO.
But they will likely lose that nifty beat car with air.
Sucks being responsible for a trainee.
Can I have an event number?
Who didn't see this coming?
God, Please look out for these kids because other than their brothers in blue that will do their best to keep an eye on them,we both know the powers that be won't.
Just change the patches to NYPD
SCC: I was wondering if you could let everyone know that there is going to be a benefit for a fellow officer this Saturday at Bourbon Street from 3-8. The benefit is called "Friends of Feil". Officer Feil has undergone multiple back surgeries due to an on duty car accident. There is a facebook link under "Friends of Feil". Thank You.
Put me on foot patrol on the worst block for 3 years, but I want meritorious SGT. as a mandatory result.
12:48am Thanks for the info - now for the follow-up in court. Couldn't help notice the parole violations and the out of state "problems".
I think it was great that the Fibune had an article over the weekend about these foot patrols that outed these guys as just fresh from the academy. Put a bigger target on them. Be safe out there
foot patrol works in new york...
unarmed police works in ireland, should we try iy here?
you volunteer first
foot patrol is a necessity in new york due to the congestion...goof
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
5/08/2013 12:13:00 AM
But was it done with guys who know,if they fire at the offenders,their career is over ?
Sad to say but seniority prevails and if the seasoned officers don't want to work the s**t details then it falls to the
younger guys and they can't refuse and violate their
probationary status and risk
discharge. And the FOP really can't do anything for them.
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
New York puts criminals in Jail. That makes them think about carrying the illegal gun. Next New york has more then enough Police we dont.
Most important we already have a dangerous job we dont need to spit in the wind.
And they didn't shot because it is drilled into their heads that they'll get fired if they do.
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or just as likely they did not have a clear shot and chose not to just let go of a bunch of rounds for the heck of it. in any case, shooting at a moving car is always a dicey thing, and one that is headed away from you presents no danger to you, so why shoot at it?
quite possibly a very good judgement call.
Officers when your life or life of another is in danger , defend yourself .
Is the city's response going to be to fire the PPO's and make it their fault for being in uniform and not entirely trained with no FTO or senior Officer with them?
PPO's BE SAFE! GO HOME WITH NO INCIDENTS! GO HOME WITH A CLEAR CONSCIENCE AND NO WORRIES!! The 1st and the 16th are all that matters. You have the next 20-30 years to prove yourselves on this job, it will come and you will do well. STAY SAFE ALL OF YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
Foot patrols made sense in New York in neighborhoods with greater population density--not like Englewood.
Besides, what worked in NY was having a mayor that actually backed up the police. Not much chance of that here.
Agg fleeing an eluding for the driver. Violation of parole. Agg assault with car. Passenger had outstanding warrant in Ohio and also had his parole violated. No one could put the gun in the hand of either person in the car. Gun was DNA swabbed.
Sounds like they did a great job
Operation throw them to the lions without any vehicle shielding and computers. Some P.P.O's are very naïve being they think they are going to "hit it hard" on foot. Simply, dangerous, stupid, and all they really do is visual deterrence. Think about it, would you ask a state trooper to walk the highways on foot? Or ask an Boarder Patrol Agent to walk the miles of fencing? What a joke. P.P.O.'s wake up and see your just a number.
Anonymous said...
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
How about you go crawl back under your bosses desk where you belong.
Anonymous said...
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
5/08/2013 12:13:00 AM
sounds like a stat you would find working a desk somewhere and not in a beat car or foot patrol.
"No one could put the gun in the hand of either person in the car. Gun was DNA swabbed."
If no one owned up to the gun, why didn't the ASA approve Agg UUW on both vehicle occupants?? It has held up in the Supreme Court that if no one owns up to the gun then all passengers can be charged with its possession. If shots were fired from the car, the thugs can't claim they didn't know it was in the car.
Crime vs. Temperature:
http://crime.static-eric.com/
If the foot patrols work so well... Then how about you put them in my neighborhood!!! Quit trying to help the community that clearly does not want help... Let them handle their own business
.....Foot patrols have been proven to work in New York.....
This isn't New York, and Englewood isn't Times Square!
Been saying this would happen since the idiot took over this dept.Lucky none were hit.Time to clean house don't you think rham?
Placing inexperienced officers in harms way and the FOP sits and does nothing.........wake up for Gods sake
Are you waiting to put one of these new police officers in a casket before you do something
OT: Listening to scanner last night, a Sgt. from 007 orders cars from 007 not to cross the border into 006. This was subsequent to a call of information that a 006 car was following (not chasing) a hot car. Did this guy go to the "West" school of policing? I just found this amazing, cut off with no more information out there. So i guess if they're a block out of the district, you can't help your neighboring district. Real bad precedents that these Supervisors are starting. Stay in your box, stay in your beat, stay in your sector stay in your district, too bad about your fellow officers. WTF!Stay safe, God Bless you all!
Retired
If PPos get hurt personnally sue the supe and the mayor.
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
5/08/2013 12:13:00 AM
Fuck you Gary-get off this blog
Anonymous said...
The department is clearly hanging these recruits out to dry.
If Rahmmie and McFailure want it then it will happen, safety be damned.
5/08/2013 02:53:00 AM
Well, if the departments wants to start using just about anyone on foot patrols they clearly can do just that and the union cannot do a damn thing about it and neither can you. Foot patrols are used in major cities around the country and there is absolutely no evidence that it is any mmore dangerous then driving the same blocks in a car. Inconvenient? Yes. Hate it? Yes. Miserable? Yes., But, not any more dangerous.
Those kids don't work for me and I feel horrible every time I see them. Whenever I work VRI I always stop and talk to them, ask if they need something to eat or drink or a ride to a clean bathroom. I tell them to stay the hell out of the low rises on King Drive no matter what. It's the least I can do. And I want them to know that there are bosses on this job who DO give a shit about them. I can't change their assignment. But I hope they at least know that PPO or not, we are all family. Stay safe out there boys and girls.
They won't get rid of foot patrols... They'll just make them wear the yellow traffic safety vests as precaution.
They are the police. They finished there fto cycle. This is our job. The people of the community can stand out there but police with guns can't?????
5/08/2013 06:28:00 AM
when the 'police' can follow the same 'rules' that the 'people of the community' follow, namely none, then maybe you'll have a point.
until then, all you have is a pointy noggin, pinhead.
or just as likely they did not have a clear shot and chose not to just let go of a bunch of rounds for the heck of it. in any case, shooting at a moving car is always a dicey thing, and one that is headed away from you presents no danger to you, so why shoot at it?
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Gee maybe because they are FLEEING FELONS THAT ARE SHOOTING AT THEM?
O/T hopefully none of these guys walk these spots at night
:http://www.examiner.com/article/most-dangerous-u-s-neighborhoods-25-most-dangerous-the-nation?fb_action_ids=10201138710332825&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B257033641109581%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map
25 of the worse corners in america and chicago is right up there
if Mc535 thinks it's such a great idea why doesn't he and his staff go around for a few laps. y'know show everyone else how it's done in NYC.
i had a teacher that packed the chutes for training in 101st he always jumped first to show it was ok
maybe gary should try that too
They are the police. They finished there fto cycle. This is our job. The people of the community can stand out there but police with guns can't?????
If I was a person living in that community, I wouldn't stand outside actually...
From ” not a cop, just someone with a little military experience, very little”
When did the light infantry EVER beat the amored Calvary?????
Cops walking a beat with 9mm attacked by gangs driving , armed with who knows what. Tiny dancer and cliff.claven are stuck.on stupid.
---Mike the city worker
Anonymous said...
If the foot patrols work so well... Then how about you put them in my neighborhood!!! Quit trying to help the community that clearly does not want help... Let them handle their own business
5/08/2013 02:11:00 PM
I second that
Worry about your own lazy asses. Go see the boss and change places with them if your so concerned.
I was assigned a foot post in the ghetto for a while and within two months I had a route set up, and was bringing home a few extra bucks plus other benefits.
OT: Listening to scanner last night, a Sgt. from 007 orders cars from 007 not to cross the border into 006. This was subsequent to a call of information that a 006 car was following (not chasing) a hot car. Did this guy go to the "West" school of policing?
Dear Retired Guy:
That wasn't a sergeant you heard giving that order; it was none other than "I-am-a-lieutenant-and-I-DESERVE-respect" Lt. T.E. from 007 1st watch. That guy is so impressed with himself and his rank that he hasn't figured out yet that NO ONE respects him. Blowhard all the way. He needs to learn that respect is earned not given.
Here is what those PPO's need.
Rio's version of Airwolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amD_tzXmMJ0
"Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here."
Foot patrols are all well and good but at 63rd and King?
Sgt from 007 said to not cross border into 006 for a hot car that was being followed...
And the problem is?
007 and 006 don't share a radio zone which makes it hard for a supervisor to montior a chase, a chase that can turn to shit over a CTTV charge. In 007 it probably only took another ten minutes for something exciting to happen
goog call sarge
"The "poor kids" can't do much about it. Minimal protections and representation for the first 12 months, full FOP services after 18 months. But that doesn't mean that the leadership should put them in harms way."
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The "leadership"??? There is no leadership on this department. If there was, there would be no patrols of raw rookie recruits on foor patrol in the worst sections of the city. Their lives are in severe danger each day and no one is acknowledging that.
Anonymous said...
Foot patrols have been proven to work in New york.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here.
5/08/2013 11:50:00 AM
Then get Guiliani and a few hundred veteran NYPD foot patrol officers here to do the same. As it is, they have brand new recruits pretending to be the police trying to do the work of experienced vetaran officers.
A division of US Marines couldn't pacify that land of savages on the south side. What is needed is flame throwers, carpet bombing and large bunker busting bombs.
New York doesn't have alleys or short thousands of officers. Ain't gona work here.
Anonymous said...Those kids don't work for me and I feel horrible every time I see them. Whenever I work VRI I always stop and talk to them, ask if they need something to eat or drink or a ride to a clean bathroom. I tell them to stay the hell out of the low rises on King Drive no matter what. It's the least I can do. And I want them to know that there are bosses on this job who DO give a shit about them. I can't change their assignment. But I hope they at least know that PPO or not, we are all family. Stay safe out there boys and girls.5/08/2013 03:47:00 PM
There are still good coppers out there. He's right. No matter what rank. We all started wearing the same color shirt. No matter what McDbag and 9.5 do, we still are family in blue in the end.
Where's our union. The PPOs pay dues. Come on Mikey.
"No one could put the gun in the hand of either person in the car. Gun was DNA swabbed."
If no one owned up to the gun, why didn't the ASA approve Agg UUW on both vehicle occupants?? It has held up in the Supreme Court that if no one owns up to the gun then all passengers can be charged with its possession. If shots were fired from the car, the thugs can't claim they didn't know it was in the car.
Because in Country of Cook County, officers have to present their arrest beyond a reasonable doubt to ASAs to get felony charges approved. I dont think Cook County ASAs know what probable cause is.
They are the police. They finished there fto cycle. This is our job. The people of the community can stand out there but police with guns can't?????
5/08/2013 06:28:00 AM
Yes they finished the academy and did their FTO cycle. But as everyone should remember, the PPO's cannot work 99 for the first year. It takes at least that long to have enough training and background to handle most jobs on your own. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but are the PPO's today better trained than any of us were 10 to 20 years ago. Or are you basing this on the fact you knew everything out of the academy and seasoned officers didn't know shit. Whoever you are and whatever you think you know is bullshit. You are a true ASSHAT. Now put your superman outfit on and just leave quietly.
Where are the supervisors that order cars not to leave their assigned beat and sector in 22?
"Foot patrols have been proven to work in New York.
Crime was reduced significantly there under Giuliani.
Give them a chance to work here."
5/08/2013 12:13:00 AM
Are you out of your mind on top of being blind?
How the fuck are foot patrols going to work when we're living through the era of CPD being destroyed through attrition?
Idiot...
NYPD was undergoing a HUGE re-equip in manpower during that time.
CPD is afflicted by a little North Shore Shit-Ass who is PISSED that he is being forced to hire because people are refusing to "sit down and shut up" this city being lit up due to lack of "boots on the ground"?
Remember when the Feds made Rahm STFU about hosting G8 AND Nato at the same time because he tried to bullshit them about CPD manpower?
Fuck these fools and their statistic!
We're here at ground level and the bullshit being spewed from City Hall and 35th St. is not jibing with the madness the working Police are seeing with their own eyes.
Hell... Even the public is saying Flamin' Tutu and McStoolSample are full of it.
Too much smoke for it NOT to be a raging fire...
...Open that door if you want to.
Oh... Why is the Fed sniffing around at NYPD?
Compstat = Fuckery with Numbers.
Foot Patrols = Pressure to keep "numbers up" = Stop and Frisk = Lots of problems for the street Coppers while the masterminds skate away without a care?
Funny... don't we have some of those NYPD masterminds here?
Said masterminds are in a fucking huff because some of the CPD gold stars designated to be left holding the shit bag when the New Yuckers flee the scene, are running like hell to get away first?
Gee maybe because they are FLEEING FELONS THAT ARE SHOOTING AT THEM?
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maybe better to take cover in that case. shooting at a moving target is very difficult and does not stop the bullets headed one's way.
they got out of it without any extra body holes. that is the only really important thing.
Because in Country of Cook County, officers have to present their arrest beyond a reasonable doubt to ASAs to get felony charges approved. I dont think Cook County ASAs know what probable cause is.
Shit, we know they don't know what reasonable suspicion is.
New York has an army. Chicago is greatly under staffed with police officers. My district is becoming crime infested while this mayor and goofy super keeps sending our police out of our district to the south and west side. Save my taxes...build a concrete wall around the savages.
"The "poor kids" can't do much about it. Minimal protections and representation for the first 12 months, full FOP services after 18 months. But that doesn't mean that the leadership should put them in harms way."
Whats the FOP going to do after the 18 months. They cant tell the department not to put po's on foot posts. They can assign you where they want , foot patrol, boxes, etc
And if you haven't realized in yet every member of the CPD puts themselves in "harms way" the minute the put on the uniform, its part of the job
If PPos get hurt personnally sue the supe and the mayor.
You are an idiot How do you sue the mayor and the supt if a po gets hurt. I never read the part of the job where the mayor guarantees you wont get hurt on the job If I'm sitting in a squard or making an arrest and get hurt or shot, I can sue the mayor , for what and tell me it ever happened
Anonymous said...
Sgt from 007 said to not cross border into 006 for a hot car that was being followed...
And the problem is?
007 and 006 don't share a radio zone which makes it hard for a supervisor to montior a chase, a chase that can turn to shit over a CTTV charge. In 007 it probably only took another ten minutes for something exciting to happen
goog call sarge
Gee Einstein, maybe ya should change the radio channel over to the other zone. Who woulda thought.....
Putting PPO on foot patrol with no FTO training or senior guidance is wrong. When I read this all I could think about was lack of street experience. PPO if you feel your life or your partners life is in danger of GBH or death you have all the right in the world to engage those SOB. This whole foot patrol is soup sandwich.
FUCK you asshole WHiteshirt? what the fuck does that have to do with a white shirt!! You are a fuckin' idiot, who blames envelopes when you get a papercut while working? WHy not fuck with the liberal, or the democrats?
Change the radio channel to the other zone, what a great idea....
Should the sgt. from 007 follow suit? Or should the sgt. from 006 make the call? Or maybe both sgts can be on that zone and give conflicting orders and directions and add alot more confusion to a situation that is already going to have amped up radio traffic. You really think to parallel a hot car on another zone is going to work out well for you if the shit hits the fan?
For what? A CTTV arrest? Because getting PSMV charged is harder than getting murder charged. It ain't a 10-1, it ain't even a forcible felony. Shit it probably ain't even a felony. Slow down abit.
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