FOP Ahead of the Curve
The FOP doesn't like us much. We'll agree that the feeling is mutual.
But we'll give credit where credit is due concerning certain parts of the Contract negotiations. They campaigned hard against the PBPA Sergeants attempted sellout of all the other city unions and helped send that Contract offer down in flames nearly 9-to-1.
A sergeant reader sent us the June update of "Contract Issues for Interest Arbitration" and the closing paragraph states the following:
But we'll give credit where credit is due concerning certain parts of the Contract negotiations. They campaigned hard against the PBPA Sergeants attempted sellout of all the other city unions and helped send that Contract offer down in flames nearly 9-to-1.
A sergeant reader sent us the June update of "Contract Issues for Interest Arbitration" and the closing paragraph states the following:
- According to our attorneys, the city's continued inclusion of references to pension funding is unenforceable under our collective bargaining agreement. Therefore, pension issues cannot be awarded to either party by an arbitrator.
Really? But wasn't that part of the Contract sent out to the Sergeants for a vote?
Didn't the Sergeants PBPA President make an appearance with Rahm touting their Contract as the "model" for all the other unions to help in "solving" the pension crisis?
Where the hell were these attorneys with their bright advice months ago before our FOP had to spend tens of thousand of dollars of our dues money on mailings and publicity ads to make sure this dangerous practice didn't have a chance of slipping in under the cover of a "negotiation" and used as a hammer to beat the other employees into submission?
The PBPA was used by Rahm as a Judas goat to lead the rest of the unions down the slaughter chute. Fortunately, almost 90% of the sergeants weren't going to be led by the nose down that road, and the FOP deserves some of the credit.
Didn't the Sergeants PBPA President make an appearance with Rahm touting their Contract as the "model" for all the other unions to help in "solving" the pension crisis?
Where the hell were these attorneys with their bright advice months ago before our FOP had to spend tens of thousand of dollars of our dues money on mailings and publicity ads to make sure this dangerous practice didn't have a chance of slipping in under the cover of a "negotiation" and used as a hammer to beat the other employees into submission?
The PBPA was used by Rahm as a Judas goat to lead the rest of the unions down the slaughter chute. Fortunately, almost 90% of the sergeants weren't going to be led by the nose down that road, and the FOP deserves some of the credit.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
64 Comments:
Like Johnny Cash sang,"I don't
know where I'm bound."
We all knew that, but the scum union leaders tried to hood wink everyone and sell their souls to the devil. Thank God the membership didn't fall for it.
Sorry, SCC, but fop had no influence at all on my feelings about Ade's piece of trash contract proposal.
If you think the useless fop had anything to do with the Sergeants voting you are as dumb as the sheeple you talk about daily. Same goes for the dumb idea of merging both unions by the FOP leadership. The sergeants can handle their own union as perfectly clear by the votes. It wasn't because of the Fop's help trying to distract its membership from their huge issues with nonsense from the Sgt's
When the blue shirts can handle their union let us know.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Perhaps a Replacement of FLOP leaderless Shields Capparelli
Just to let you know, the majority of the Sergeants were not going to fall for Rahm's scam. We DIDN'T need ANY guidance from the FOP!
That is because the FOP is under the same pension plan. Watch for them to migrate to the politicians pension plan asap.
And I would say the 1 boss was merit
Yes... Credit is due...
FOP had better play the little maniac heads up...
Rahm and his minions are looking for every opportunity to catch you guys with your foot off the bag so they can tag the membership out...
Rahm literally has five fucking acres(estimated area of half of one floor of a one square block building) of lawyers, minions, dupes, stooges, snitches, spies, double-agents, shills and turn-coats at his disposal and he's using all of it plus the media and the stumble-bums down in Spring-Patch to destroy the men and women who work this God-Forsaken, thankless, shit doo-doo job and welsh on our pensions.
Again we wonder... Why is ruining the people who try to hold the line in this town so important to him?
Rahm acts like it's our fault the city is "allegedly" in a financial mess.
Heh... Not a single Copper or group of Coppers have any say or vote in how municipal budgets are drawn up and how monies are allocated.
Aldermen do...
Mayors past and present do...
Hence the "seeming misplacement" of an estimated $12 to $15 Billion by the previous administration.
(Nod to Joravsky & Dumke)
So... Why is Rahm so fixated in sticking a knife between the shoulder blades of Policemen, their spouses and children for the "alleged" budget mess in Chicago?
Or does he feel it's politically expedient to set the table to walk away from the municipal corporation's obligation to it's current and retired Police Officers only because they're a tiny, fractional percentage of the voter base?
Heh... Rahm's administration is expert at crunching numbers every which kind of way...
We wonder out loud what percentage in property taxes do Policemen and their families contribute to the city's bottom line compared to the deserts and brown-fields of our beloved garden spots like Harrison, Englewood, Gresham, Austin, Grand Crossing etc?
Heh...
Maybe that's why Rahm's meeting calendar stays chock full with people from the Gold Coast and North Shore lined up dick to asshole divvying this city up for the final push to disinvest what's left of the tax-paying middle class and replace it with God Knows What...
"No... The Public has no right to see the Mayor's meeting calendar because we don't want to tip our hand."
...Or some artfully crafted, bullshit press release full of weasel words,
slippery syntax and masterful misstatement.
Of course, Rahm is NOT going to fuck with Dude and the Armed Wing of The Catered To Constituency.
He NEEDS them as a lever against the tax paying peons.
Rahm just needs for everyone to see beneath the curtain left a foot short of the stage floor...
The busy scurry of shoes running back and forth on stage in this sad-assed production.
...Never you mind the occasional yelp, the thud of an ass hitting the floor and the sight/sound of somebody's heels being dragged off stage followed by a BANG!
Transparency an' shit...
It's for the children an' shit...
Straight out of that well thumbed tome, "The Playbook of Overcompensating, Undersized Megalomaniacal Shit-Asses."
The price of the book was multiple dozens of millions of lives throughout the last century on the world stage.
Wonder how much it's going to end up costing on the local stage?
Reference to one of Sunday's papers showing where Rahm is getting his not inconsiderable amount of campaign money to fuel his re-election, aka "My Revenge For You People Fucking-Up My Plans and Causing Me To Over-Stay In This Shit-Hole."
What a joy...
Keep fighting because that's all we have left and we have no friends and no help on the way.
RANT: On/(OFF)
You would be hard-pressed to find a current Sergeant of Police that was not represented by the Fraternal Order of Police-Lodge #7 from their off-probation/day-one as a patrol officer up to the day they were promoted. The FOP showed them the way as patrol officers and most of them inherently knew what to do when TD 9.5 and the PB&PA scammer President Lemon Ade were trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
FOP didn't "have to" spend anything. The sgts union never presented this as part of the contract. It was a side deal tied to the contract. I think everyone understood that.
The only thing that FOP "had to" do was to continue to draw attention away from their own fuck ups.
Nice Job for once FOP.. Now go fuck yourselves!!
Great, but I still want the Shields team out.
Don't put all the blame on Ade. If you really read that contract proposal, it reeks of the vice president P.B. That tool is also the one who volunteered us to be in the Chicago Lives Healthy plan. His reasoning for that was, "...the mayor will look favorably on us for volunteering for it when contract time comes up...". Yeah...uh huh...and how did that work out Pauly?
Some of us sergeants were able to think on our own, scc. It was a no vote before fop first read the proposal.
Very cryptic comments here.
I understand that come this fall, the tuition reimbursement plan is being completely gutted. I don't recall the specifics, but it was a pretty radical change with a cap on the amount of classes you are allowed to take during your career. No more Law Degrees. You won't even be able to finish a Bachelor's with the new cap. I don't know how this is not covered under contract negotiations but the City has said that's that. Not only will it be gutted, but the changes will be retroactive to a certain extent, so those who are waiting on reimbursement? Stop waiting. You are screwed.
This is not a troll. It is another reality of the decline of the CPD.
Rahm already won. The Sergeants union never proposed a residency stipend and raises of only 2% a year. If the arbitrator grants the financial proposals to the Sergeants in arbitration that will set the precedent for FOP Lodge 7 and the Firefighters Local 2.
In the decade leading up to the last high profile teachers strike teachers get a 40% pay increase compared to police and fire's 20%.
Rahm wins in arbitration on the financial side.
When the blue shirts can handle their union let us know.
7/17/2013 12:29:00 AM
From the people that brought us Pallohusky and now Ade. Spoken like a true CPD supervisor. You are exempt material.
FOP , take your time negotiating .
That retro check is like free money . I already have ideas on how to spend it . Retro is a forced savings plan . We'll probably get $5K by the time contract is voted on .
"The sergeants can handle their own union" - 12:29:00 am, which is clearly evident by the embezzled million+ dollars by one of their financial officers and a president running amuck with his own agenda! GFY!
Nice Job for once FOP.. Now go fuck yourselves!!
7/17/2013 04:06:00 AM
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There are a TON of P.O.'s that worked 10 plus days a month VRI since 30 June 2012.
Just wait til' it's official that NONE of them will get any retro pay for those days!
Shields will be lucky if he keeps his head.
You have this wrong, SCC.
The current CBA provides for arbitration in case a new CBA cannot be agreed to. There are clauses in the current CBA that state that pensions cannot be changed by arbitration.
ie, no pension changes can be made without a new CBA being agreed to by both sides.
Had it been ratified, the sgt's would have had a new CBA and any rules in the current CBA regarding pensions would have no longer applied.
Sorry but FOP had nothing to do with it. The sergeants understood the ramifications of allowing anything involving the pensions in the negotiations. Let's not give Shields credit what he does not deserve. He has demonstrated clearly that he is in over his head and is not suitable for his position. But I guess that is often how the CPD operates, so it's status quo.
Every once in a while being ahead of the curve affords a break from being so consistently behind the eight ball.
Did the Labor Board rule on the issue of the letter Mikey didn't send the city?
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To be clear, the union said (if approved) they would support the pension package in Springfield that was being offered by Rahmbolina. No changes would actually take place w/out legislative action. Yes, Rahm tried to use us as his guinea pig to show union support and there is no way ANY pension issues should have been included in a contract negotiation. It was rightfully voted down. If you believe your pension would change overnight if it passed, read little more on the issue. No, I'm not on the PBPA board, just a concerned Sgt.
fop , let's get 3% cola for officers born after jan 1955
raise the minimum retirement age to 55 and mandatory retirement age to 67 and money will be there for cola increase .
The pension was never part of the labor contract agreement. Our pension is not negotiable. What the PBPA leadership presented for a vote was whether to support the bill that Rahm was going to have introduced in Springfield. The bill was not good for the Sgts or other retirees. Only time will tell if something better or worse gets passed. The FOP leadership is a joke and needs to be thrown out then have the building fumigated.
Yhere should be a "Lemon" clause to get a new ser of officers in the FOP.
The "Lemons" of the FOP, starting with Shields should be replaced with a new model.
(OT) what about the dirty little secret? Where the sgt s contract is going to arbitrator and want the55 and out retirees to give back 4% for health insurance! Hello fop was this health insurance deal able to be reopened? Mike shields and the crew stop eating the bullshit speak out guys! Is this true with fop deal also? Crickets again!
I don't understand why members bash the FOP.. With no real barging power, their hands are tied from the get go... Its basically a law office now. Everything has to be done with a lawsuit.
It's like getting an A plus on the last exam and failing the other 9,bringing your average down to a failing grade,fop gets credit but has failed in so many ways,and could improve in so many ways!
At this point I've convinced myself there's not gonna be any retro.
When the blue shirts can handle their union let us know.
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Have you forgotten that two former board members of the sergeant's union are in jail with millions of $$$ gone.
I think blue shirts have a pretty good handle right now.
The sergeants union is comical!
A million dollars missing and half the white shirt are still om their board!
Then u have clouted SGT's elected to run the union.
Yea keep them separate from good ole patrol.
FOP always has to go through rough patches. we elect people on how nice they are or how many drinks we had with them.
But it does help
f&*k you 11:49am , i dont want to wait until im 55 stroke
Can I receive an advance on my retro pay?
Wilding in Hollywood
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/07/17/lapd-public-officials-stress-hollywood-is-safe-despite-crime-spree/
Lawyers make savages look like little angels.
NC
Divide and Conquer, it looks like it's working if the comments on this post are any sign. Boys and girls, it's not just the police unions that he's after. It's all the city unions. What makes me angry is the money flowing into tiny dancers war chest from unions. From todays Tribune. "Emanuel's political fund was filled with more than $500,000 from unions, much of the money tied to plumbers and pipefitters." How about you call your union leaders and have them contact those unions?
Ade and Bilotta rushed this to arbitration to keep from being knocked out of office which we will do in the next election. I realized these fucks were useless when they agreed to a contract for a small raise and what ever FOP got above that. Great job of protecting our assets too!
Just want to say this was the first time today I went to the FOP picnic since the Santa's village location. Four rides for the older kids. Maybe a few less trips to the wisconsin dells and five star golf outings for Shields & Co.? No water! Just warm soda and pretzels. Three port-a-johns! I was embarrassed to be there.
Man many of you guys making comments I hope are retires, because if you are an active officer and are so UNINFORMED then we are doomed.
I hope you don't run your finances or personal accounts the way you make uninformed and stupid comments on here regarding your union and certain benefits currently being negotiated in contract talks.
FLOP dues nothing but take my dues
Time to clean house of the current leadership
When the blue shirts can handle their union let us know.
7/17/2013 12:29:00 AM
Hey sarge, when you get your head out of you ass, there are many more blue shirts that can make their own decisions, without some of the clueless Sergeants out there. Sheild may sometime be a nitwit, but at least he didn't steal thousands above thousands from the FOP or sell out his people regarding pensions. The Sergeants know how to pick their President. LMFAO.
fop , let's get 3% cola for officers born after jan 1955
raise the minimum retirement age to 55 and mandatory retirement age to 67 and money will be there for cola increase .
7/17/2013 11:49:00 AM
After 31 December 1954 is the correct language and good luck with your request, but it isn't likely to happen. Don't you read the news? They want to repeal the 3% cola for everybody that already has it, so it is unlikely you will see it approved for retirees born after 31 December 1954. You'll be lucky to get the 1.5% cola after you turn 60 years of age.
The only person touting FLOP assistance in helping the Sgts. is that fake smiling goat breathed ass clown MS. Well were not at a retirement seminar now ass clown, like when you blamed everyone in the world for YOUR lack of contract negations knowledge for not sending that letter to tiny dancer. Grabbing all the credit for something you had no part of and blaming everyone else for your errors seems to be your m.o......all this FOP board has done is LIE. Know this ass clown you have been in way over your head and taking advice from those who could have helped/saved you. This bargaining unit that you so willingly believe is soo stupid that we can't see what you have done will send you to get your shine box, Quick, Fast and in a Hurry.
Dyla Hata
Anonymous said...
When the blue shirts can handle their union let us know.
7/17/2013 12:29:00 AM
You must be smarter than everyone because you're a Sgt.
When you fuck-up and have to call a 10-1, let US know.
Idiot.
To 8:59 a.m. your concern is the retro check you are a idiot. Go back to your movie while workin VRI.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FLOP dues nothing but take my dues
Time to clean house of the current leadership
7/17/2013 10:29:00 PM
Well you will have your chance soon. And if past performance is any indicator (it is) then perhaps 25% of the active membership will bother to return a postage paid envelope with the ballot inside. The retirees will send in their ballots in overwhelming numbers because these elections are important and they know the active membership finds it more important to decide on a color for the new BMW or how many days of special employment they are getting.
If everyone who complains on the blog also bothers to vote... well, they just won't. Never have. Most will find their ballot on their kitchen table a month after the election and then they will blame FOP for not providing a limo to come and pick up the ballot. They will then complain about the leadership they didn't bother to vote for or against for the next three years.
Hey sarge, when you get your head out of you ass, there are many more blue shirts that can make their own decisions, without some of the clueless Sergeants out there. Sheild may sometime be a nitwit, but at least he didn't steal thousands above thousands from the FOP or sell out his people regarding pensions. The Sergeants know how to pick their President. LMFAO.
7/17/2013 11:43:00 PM
True that!
After 31 December 1954 is the correct language and good luck with your request, but it isn't likely to happen. Don't you read the news? They want to repeal the 3% cola for everybody that already has it, so it is unlikely you will see it approved for retirees born after 31 December 1954. You'll be lucky to get the 1.5% cola after you turn 60 years of age.
Our pension in its present form and benefits was fixed 2 1/2 years ago. The law was passed in Springfield mandating the city start in 2015 putting in their proper share and our pension would be funded to 80 to 90% in 25 or 30 years. It is fixed, the problem is the city doesnt want to follow the law and put in their share, plan and simple. They are using Moodys and a bunch of crap to try and change our pension that already was fixed Following is an exert from todays newspaper
Even more ominous is Moody’s “negative outlook” for Chicago’s future ratings because of what the agency calls “formidable legal and political barriers” to pension reform that can only be approved by the General Assembly.
Moody’s noted that in 2015 the city is required by state law to make a $600 million contribution to stabilize police and fire pension funds and start them on the road to 90 percent funding.
Exacerbating the problem is the “prior and current administration’s unwillingness to avail itself of its full taxing authority to stave off burgeoning pension liabilities,” the Moody’s report states.
read the following HB that was passed January 1,2011 that basically keeps our pension in place and provides funding. No employee contribution increase, still 75% with 29 and a day, although new hires average last 8 years salary instead of current 4 years
http://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/senate-bill-3538-police-and-fire-pension-reforms
We have pension reform. HB 3538 was passed and will provide that our pension will be properly funded with few changes to our current benefits Rahn just doesnt want to put in the mandated payments Here is a link to the bill that passed over 2 years ago
http://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/senate-bill-3538-police-and-fire-pension-reforms
Based on what Madigan proposed and what Cullerton proposed and what the pension committee that is being headed by Kwame Raoul are talking about proposing, it would stand to reason that the proposal the Sergeant's were asked to support (remember it was only a proposal not a done deal)wasn't that bad of a proposal. I actually resoundly voted against it and am now having second thoughts. I realize that the state proposal's do not affect the city, but rest assured Rahm will jump on any bandwagon that gets passed. We may have made a big mistake by so quickly rejecting the proposal on the table of supporting the pension reform if it were proposed by the city. After all we only had to support it. It wasn't a done deal until it was legislated into law. Typical CPD Snafu, act first think last.
I heard Dean Angelo is running for FOP President. Is it the kid that works in 014 or the older one on disability that teaches at Calumet College? The older one use to be a field rep under Bill Nolan,when he lost his election he went on disability and teaches full time at Calumet. Now your healthy enough to run for FOP President, but you couldn't work street or limited duty the last ten years. That's helping our pension fund.
Sgts attempted to change leadership and everyone sat on their hands complained and offered to do nothing. Now we get to listen to all the wonderful things our president and his side kick accomplished.!?.....And how no one attends meetings.
There's a reason many don't attend the meetings, don't care to listen to the "leaders"we have running the show , for various reasons.
Our pension in its present form and benefits was fixed 2 1/2 years ago. The law was passed in Springfield mandating the city start in 2015 putting in their proper share and our pension would be funded to 80 to 90% in 25 or 30 years. It is fixed, the problem is the city doesnt want to follow the law and put in their share, plan and simple. They are using Moodys and a bunch of crap to try and change our pension that already was fixed Following is an exert from todays newspaper
Even more ominous is Moody’s “negative outlook” for Chicago’s future ratings because of what the agency calls “formidable legal and political barriers” to pension reform that can only be approved by the General Assembly.
Moody’s noted that in 2015 the city is required by state law to make a $600 million contribution to stabilize police and fire pension funds and start them on the road to 90 percent funding.
Exacerbating the problem is the “prior and current administration’s unwillingness to avail itself of its full taxing authority to stave off burgeoning pension liabilities,” the Moody’s report states.
7/18/2013 11:20:00 AM
The original comment and the answer were in reference to the COLA. You must not be aware how the COLA works.
I heard Dean Angelo is running for FOP President. Is it the kid that works in 014 or the older one on disability that teaches at Calumet College?
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No.
It's Dean Angelo the grandfather who would be 92 but he is dead. (He came on the job in 1945)
The money that the FOP President makes is so good he STILL wants to run to take a shot at it!
He's got my vote!!!
He's got my vote!!!
7/20/2013 02:05:00 PM
Mine, too!
Where's president Ade? Out golfing at his private country club again on company time!
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