Church, State Question
We hadn't thought of this until someone pointed it out in the comment section:
- Isn't there the whole "separation of church and state" conflict with Pfaker allowed in the mix?
This aside, Michael Pfleger has repeatedly demonstrated racist tendencies and favoritism to the demographic that comprises his congregation. Is he capable of unbiased contribution while serving on this committee? I highly doubt it.
Hell, he even called for civil unrest after the Zimmerman verdict. Are the citizens of Chicago to trust a man who openly exhibits such disdain for the law of the land with making such weighty recommendations?
Continuing, can't there be a perceived conflict with Hillard in the mix? If I was Joe Citizen I'd be very suspect of having a fellow/former top officer responsible for finding who is to investigate complaints of excessive force and other alleged wrongdoing within my former department.
Oh, I forgot. Consequences for indiscretion and impropriety only effects us peons. Rahm will do what he wants, damned be anyone else.
And how much are these clowns getting paid to be on this committee? Hopefully enough for "Fatha Mike" to renew the vanity plates on his pimp ride in which to cart that select handful of young males from St. Sabina to Carmichaels for steaks after Sunday service.
Don't forget to claim whatever that amount might be as income, Pfather Pfakeass.
Here you have a notorious grievance-monger and alleged priest in a position to influence the city's political policy, not by marches or speeches, but through direct appointment by the mayor. We aren't completely sure, but isn't the Catholic Church a tax-exempt organization? Up until very recently, they didn't even have to pay water bills, and might still pay at the lower "charitable organization" rate. And without dispensation by the Cardinal or the Pope, pfather Pfleger is permitted a direct hand in political policy.
Something is rotten in Denmark. And Chicago, too, but we knew that part. Maybe someone ought to revisit the Church's tax exempt status...you know, to help Rahm close his budget shortfalls - unless they're still too busy targeting Conservative groups. And maybe dig out the Phleger Dollars again for the collection baskets.
Something is rotten in Denmark. And Chicago, too, but we knew that part. Maybe someone ought to revisit the Church's tax exempt status...you know, to help Rahm close his budget shortfalls - unless they're still too busy targeting Conservative groups. And maybe dig out the Phleger Dollars again for the collection baskets.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
58 Comments:
If you work and be pro-active in the animals Arerna you need your head examined! The only city that puts their police up for lawsuits, jail time, loss of income, freedom, pensions while believing the savages who cause havoc! Again the ghettos will never change, have to keep the animals from drifting from the cages, back each other up!
I have a somewhat related question.
How does a 'man of God' excuse his actions when he is asked to escort an admitted murderer to turn himself in to the police, and he 1) takes the guy out for a meal and 'tweets' about it, 2) listens to the guy's confession and 'tweets' about it, 3)takes the guy to turn himself in and 'tweets' about it?
Corey Brooks is an attention-mongering, integrity-bereft, sad excuse for a minister.
Chicago is: Butt of so many jokes, Chicago is.....
Phleger has the luck of the very Devil himself for managing to stay in place for 40 years and pulling the shit he's pulled.
We would say starve the Chicago Archdiocese to death but that would hurt a lot of decent people since this rogue parish seems to be independently funded apart from and free of any juridiction by the cardinal.
Well shit... Just had a thought...
Is Rahm the defacto archbishop of St. Sabina?
Follow their money...
Incoming and outgoing...
It's the only thing that makes sense since they seem to operate with such impunity.
Heh...
So many people and the entire alphabet soup of quasi and extra govermental entities devoted to warring against CPD...
If only they had the same zeal for breaking the teeth and jaws of the armed wing of The Catered to Constituency which has destroyed this city as a place for decent people to live and raise their families.
The Police Are The Enemy...
Viva Hate...
This isn't about righteous oversight.
This is about sending a "message."
From J-fled until the current impersonator in a Superintendent's uniform.
A straitlaced, lip-smacking louse superseded by a drunken lout... Whom if you gave a good enough shove at Halsted & Madison, would stumble and fart non-stop all the way to 12700 South before falling over in a heap.
Hitting every green light on the way...
Yeah... Sending a similar message to Dude Inc. might back-fire.
Dude has no compelling rules of conduct to abide by.
It's easier to pick a fight with people who are constrained from fighting back for the most part.
Welcome to Chicago--most corrupt city in America.
Don't attack the entire Catholic Church because of Father Pfleger. Many of our police chaplains are Catholic priests or deacons. I recall when the head of the police board was a Protestant minister. This stuff isn't new. Vote against the mayor in the next election if you don't agree with who he appoints to committees.
Great job on the dollar bill, but it should have been on a $2, or something phony, like a $7 bill.
Excellent story though!
No. Tiny Dancer appointing Fatha Flakey is not a violation of the constitution -- only of common decency and good taste -- for a couple salient reasons:
__ 1) Flakey is acting as a private citizen, not as a Priest and representative of The Church.
and the biggie...
__ 2) There's no such thing as 'Separation of church and state'.
Yep, that's a fact. The Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment reads as follows;
-- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" --
That's it, that's all there is, no more, no less, and NO 'Separation'. It pertains solely to the Federal Government and prevents 'the G' from establishing a National Religion like Great Britain had (has with The Church of England. And well into the 1800's many individual states HAD sanctioned religions one better belong to especially if you ran for office, and that was LEGAL under Fed Law (still is, 'technically').
This whole 'Separation' thing comes from one single letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Church where he said that in his opinion there should be a wall of separation between Church and State. That's all it was - an Opinion. Not a Law. Not in an Amendment or anywhere in the Constitution. It was Jefferson's 'Opinion'.
It wasn't until around 1955 that the ACLU -- founded by card carrying Commie lawyers -- sued in Fed court, it got to SCOTUS and the leftist majority court invented 'Separation'. Its been downhill since then with subsequent leftist Fed court rulings.
BUT to see a good deconstruction of that phony Separation BS by Fed Judges who KNOW the Constitution search: ACLU vs Mercer County, Kentucky (I prefer Findlaw). The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals rips the ACLU a new asshole and blows the phony separation clause to smithereens.
The guy gives me the creeps. He honestly looks like a boytoucher.
What Just Look At the Free City Lights The make Queen of All Cadillacs Saint Glow in Saunganash 39th Ward
Your City Lighting bill and taxes pay for that so Its the Chicago Way
Enjoy
Corruption begins at the bottom and rises to the top.Vatican-P.O.T.U.S.-Mayor-senate+reps-alderfools-fake revruns+druggang members all worship POWER+money and are doing their best to destroy the U.S. detroit and egypt are examples. All above worship satan instead of GOD this is why they kill innocent children and do nothing. Thank you for protecting everyone Please come home safe.
Why get your panties in a bunch? This committee is a sham. Mayor Dickhead is going to do what he wants regardless of its recommendation. Pfleger and Hillard may be concerns, but don't lose sight of the fact that the chair of this committee is responsible for the jagoff we call a superintendent being here.
orey Brooks is an attention-mongering, integrity-bereft, sad excuse for a minister.
You mean the guy that walked across country and GAINED weight !
Objection duly noted .... FU anyway
Everyone complaining - stop and do some inner-reflection.
How many times have you voted Democratic? How many times have you not even shown up to vote? Why bother right?
The problem with Chicago and parts of Illinois is that the voters (including YOU) cannot distinguish between a Leader and a Loser.
Until you can make that distinction, you will have the bunch of incompetents making stupid rules and getting their minions and lackeys in for promotions and all the "cush" assignments.
I read this blog just about everyday and everyday it's filled with the same gripes and complaints.
Get off your asses and take action. (They expect you to remain docile and apathetic when it comes to politics)
Put up some of your own candidates - Hell, you have a huge special interest group - Cops and Firemen. That's one approach.
Support someone that supports you. (Believe me - other "special interest" groups do that - and are successful. Look at the numbers you already have as a voting block. Why not try it?)
Another approach is to just quit.
Walk away and seek other employment where it is more of a meritocracy rather than a blatant "cloutocracy". Or do you stay because you are part of the Chinaman and "phone call" network?
You think you have it bad? No one is holding a gun to your head to make you stay. I would rather see you stay and make a bold fight because many of you are good people and deserve better - but you have to have some good leaders - and FOP ain't it. (Neither are 90% of the white shirts who are political lackeys put in to keep the status quo)
The last approach is the one many of you seem to be taking (either quitting mentally on the job or just giving up). (And we all know - or should know- that doesn't make for a reliable partner in a firefight, a felony arrest, or even a 10-1)
Just be apathetic, put in your minimum, bitch every chance you get, collect your check and just wait to pension out and then send in comments from Florida, Tennessee, or wherever else you decide to move to.
The best thing for the corrupt politicians is to have a meek, disorganized, leaderless, police force.
The scariest thing for them would be to have a police force that is so united, they will root out bad Aldermen and lame judges with their own candidates. (that's why they want their hands into all promotions so their "minions" take charge and retain power)
You don't have to bat 100%. If you put up some candidates and only half of them get in - or even a third - you'll shake all the inept people in their boots.
EVERY election, FOP should take out a full-page ad and recommend retention - or the voting out- of EVERY judge on the Cook County circuit. The lawyers' BAR association does it. Why don't you?
I think the vast majority of people would like your perspective on who is soft on crime or who is totally inept on the bench. Keep track of how cases go - and give scores for every judge AND the State's Attorney's office.
Give people a real choice - you might be surprised on how many will vote for change. The people are NOT stupid.
I was surprised at the very candid comments some of the TV stations got from the constituents of Jesse and Sandi Jackson.
They all seemed to think they "got what they deserved" and that "they did nothing for us".
People may not be as dumb as you think. Give them a good candidate to vote in.
No one is afraid of a bunch of lazy, apathetic Dogs. A pack of hungry wolves that can take down a much bigger, well-established predator is a whole different story.
Not a LEO, JAFO.
You guys still think the catholic church is your friend. You deserve what you get. It is a self serving entity
Hillard always has been and always will do whatever he is told to do. He is not very bright and that is why Needham was brought in to make the decisions for him and relay what Daley wanted him to do.
Anonymous said...
I have a somewhat related question.
How does a 'man of God' excuse his actions when he is asked to escort an admitted murderer to turn himself in to the police, and he 1) takes the guy out for a meal and 'tweets' about it, 2) listens to the guy's confession and 'tweets' about it, 3)takes the guy to turn himself in and 'tweets' about it?
Corey Brooks is an attention-mongering, integrity-bereft, sad excuse for a minister.
8/15/2013 12:24:00 AM
Did the guy surrender to police?
For the non-cognoscenti - Pfleger tools around in a black Infiniti with the vanity plates PFLEGER. Kind of hard to miss. (Or did he recently get an even more up-pimp-scale ride?)
Excellent observation by the original poster. No way he's a supervisor on this job with critical thinking skills like that.
Pfleger makes me absolutely sick every time I hear him speak. His faux ghetto dialect is disgusting. Makes me smile though to see that his flock is too ignorant to notice or even care that its an act. Listen to him being interviewed on TV or radio and there's no exaggerated shithead talk. But come pulpit time the "ghetto" knob is turned to 11.
FOP should be raising hell about this if Pfaker Pleger ultimately winds up on this committee. I hope they're monitoring it. Sounds like something Dan Gorman would be good at throwing a wrench into.
phleger is a race hustler as a catholic iam ashamed that he attends the same church i do lately i m been attending the willow creek church in barrington.
Thats why I dont drink koolaid. It makes people do crazy things. My family enjoy our time away from those who drink koolaid as well. Trust me, it keeps the blood pressure and stress level low.
The graphic should be a $3 Dollar bill.
As in Pfleger is as phony as as $3 Dollar bill.
I was once a catholic until I saw this guy years ago in Marquette Park. This church has no balls when it comes to this rotten piece of shit. We should demand an investigation from the Archdiocese and investigate the cardinal who sits on his ass and does nothing about this scum bag.The only thing he should be sitting on is a pile of shit.
The term "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution. The 1st amendment has an establishment clause which prohibits the government from establishing or forming a religion through legislation and from preferring one religion over another. Having a priest on a search board violates none of the above.
it is time for the population of Chicago to arise and demand a change in the policy governing the administration of the Chicago Police Department.
The current Superintendent is a lost soul and should be terminated.
The civil review needs to have training in investigation of police incidents.
The Mayor needs to have new advisers.
The CPD also should end the merit promotions that place no brainers in supervisory positions.
These opinions come from an old school police officer pre Richard Daley Jr.
Take it easy, the priest isn't respected in any of the prominent circles. He is merely a mouthpiece for a segment of Chicago's population, who will tout their downtrodden agenda. By bringing that mouth to the table, it gives that segment of our society a feeling of inclusion, and a belief that: 1) they have a voice and 2) their voice matters. No and No, but politics has to play its game in order to thrive. He will be the fist of revolution, the voice of the unheard, the slayer of the unjust and the savior of the people of color, and his voice will be heard; or so he was told. He is merely a shill who can have his say so, and then all said and done, the chump who will do as he or she is told by the current regime in City Hall will get the big chair at IPRA. It is not a real selection board, the City's wee Manager would never accept one of those, ultimate control rests in selecting an ADVISORY board. All talk, no power. Final selection is the power of the one who wields the money, and in this case the guy who bought the election to be Mayor. Your Mayor- Not mine, I didn't vote for him.
This is the worst police hating Preacher to ever have watching over Police issues!
This guy is so anti-police it is sickening!
There should be a lawsuit over this guy!
If he worked a Mexican neighborhood, would he sound like Speedy Gonzalez?
If the Cardinal ever tossed Flakey out, they might as well board up the windows of that church.
Anonymous said...
For the non-cognoscenti - Pfleger tools around in a black Infiniti with the vanity plates PFLEGER. Kind of hard to miss. (Or did he recently get an even more up-pimp-scale ride?)
8/15/2013 09:49:00 AM
He used to have the Caddy with the plates "DA BLOOD" a couple years back.
"Vow of poverty"... yet vanity plates on luxury vehicles and dinners at expensive steak houses.
He truly does live like most of his flock. 24" custom rims on back order for that Pimp Sled.
Regardless whether "separation of church and state" actually exists - in writing and/or practice or any combination thereof - putting this douchebag anywhere near Department and city operations is still a conflict of interest.
And while 2:52:00 PM on 15 Aug makes some valid points, you have to realize that this is how things start. The proverbial "foot in the door", the "give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile".
Figurehead or mouthpiece given a spot of "importance" to pacify the masses, Pfleger has no business serving on a board that'll be making decisions or recommendations that will potentially effect thousands of officers. He has clearly exhibited an inability to be unbiased towards the police and Caucasians in general. He is a "Hater" in a cassock.
I'll consider him a viable participant when he discloses his income and tax returns. I want to see if they reflect the ability to sustain the lifestyle I've personally seen him live over the years.
Anonymous said...
I have a somewhat related question.
How does a 'man of God' excuse his actions when he is asked to escort an admitted murderer to turn himself in to the police, and he 1) takes the guy out for a meal and 'tweets' about it, 2) listens to the guy's confession and 'tweets' about it, 3)takes the guy to turn himself in and 'tweets' about it?
Corey Brooks is an attention-mongering, integrity-bereft, sad excuse for a minister.
8/15/2013 12:24:00 AM
Did the guy surrender to police?
8/15/2013 08:52:00 AM
He surrendered to Corey Brooks, who later walked him into the police station, defending him by saying the guy was off his meds and that's why he was out of control, shooting people.
Is or wasn't Revrun Jakes on one of these bogus Boards?
How phony & desparate has The Rhamf gotten lately.
Something's up and the distractions are becoming plentiful.
Not Catholic, so I'll say it - Cardinal George, do something with this fucker. Disgrace to the community and disgrace serving on this committee.
P.S. re: the Mercer County KY comment above - well done, my home folks!
-No Cop Here
If Fr. Faker was in a more conservative archdiocese, he'd have been booted from the Catholic Church long ago.
What a tramp.
so what if the offender surrenders. did he give a full confession?, show det. where the gun is? give a motive? I doubt it. so basically, roof top rev. could have brought in anybody and said "hers's your man det., wheres my reward". don't forget, set. have 48hrs to charge.
What Just Look At the Free City Lights The make Queen of All Cadillacs Saint Glow in Saunganash 39th Ward
Your City Lighting bill and taxes pay for that so Its the Chicago Way
Enjoy
-Don't hate the Catholics!!!
Were the Clout machine
Been on the Cardinals detail for yrs WinK Enjoy
Don't attack the entire Catholic Church because of Father Pfleger. Many of our police chaplains are Catholic priests or deacons. I recall when the head of the police board was a Protestant minister. This stuff isn't new. Vote against the mayor in the next election if you don't agree with who he appoints to committees.
Who's attacking the Catholics that help Illegals
I was once a catholic until I saw this guy years ago in Marquette Park
Alliagence to the Pope not the US Consitution Per JF Kennedy
Father Fluky Seperation between church and State FEDs Should revoke the tax exemption
Being Catholic is just a social club most don't know the doctrine or practice it in the USA Ala Birth Control
I only go to Mass Xmas and Easter like the Outfit guys
Keep giving $$$ on Sunday
Im convienced that my money in the plate Goes from Navtivity in Bridgeport to the South and West Side Churches
Anonymous said...
The term "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution. The 1st amendment has an establishment clause which prohibits the government from establishing or forming a religion through legislation and from preferring one religion over another. Having a priest on a search board violates none of the above.
8/15/2013 11:06:00 AM
Well said and a point that is often misunderstood. A priest could be elected mayor or president.
The Church protect pervert priests for years Flagger is Nothing
>>>To JAFO
Some of what you write makes a lot of sense.
"EVERY election, FOP should take out a full-page ad and recommend retention - or the voting out- of EVERY judge on the Cook County circuit. The lawyers' BAR association does it. Why don't you?"
We should carefully evaluate every single judge. If we blanket and vote against every judge then there is no reason for any of them to do anything for us.
Make them EARN OUR VOTES.
Make them FEAR US.
Stay Safe, I rest my case.
Michael Pflager should have been ex-communicated from The Church a long time ago. I only wish The Cardinal had a pair!
to 7.22am.,,,,you mean Bill Daley's Parish?
O/T But Relevant:
See how They RUN!
"Feds accuse ex-city comptroller (and mayoral appointee as trustee to the Chicago Policemen's Pension & Annuity Fund... So good of you whores at the scum-times to leave THAT OUT of your splashy headline!) Amer Ahmad of money-laundering, bribery in Ohio"
HEH!
So much for that "leaving for private practice" bullshit...
It may also go a long way toward connecting the dots on why the alleged "Unknown Employee 'A'" jumped out of the window a few months back...
Rahm sez... "We're gonna do an audit!"
Mayoral puppet Sarah Hamilton sez... "We have no reason to believe and have no knowledge of any such wrongdoing during his tenure in Chicago."
Sorry Rahm... We saw your lips moving.
Dishonest little prick!
So... Rahm's inside man to destroy our pensions was popped by the Feds huh?
So... Ahmad plans to plea not guilty huh?
Either tombstone courage or he has something on Rahm to trade to the Feds?
>Snicker!<
Might be the first major cog to fall loose into the gears of Rahm Inc.
It'll be good to witness the whole rotten, amoral thing self disassemble.
This needs it's own thread SCC...
He used to have the Caddy with the plates "DA BLOOD" a couple years back.
"Vow of poverty"... yet vanity plates on luxury vehicles and dinners at expensive steak houses.
He truly does live like most of his flock. 24" custom rims on back order for that Pimp Sled
8/15/2013 05:28:00 PM
Priests don't take a vow of poverty. What Catholic church did you attend that didn't have priests riding around in expensive cars. Heck majority did and do...look at what some archbishops and cardinals ride in.
Anonymous said...
Michael Pflager should have been ex-communicated from The Church a long time ago. I only wish The Cardinal had a pair!
8/15/2013 10:35:00 PM
He lost his pair when he turned a blind eye to child molesting priests. Father Pfleger is the LEAST of the churches problems. Get a clue...
Don't worry about what's happening at Saint Sabina or any other "revrun's" church. If you attend church worry about what goes on at your church. If you tithe so be it. You gave the money,that means you did your part. If the clergy is stealing or doing wrong it will be exposed. Study the Bible.
Thats why I dont drink koolaid. It makes people do crazy things. My family enjoy our time away from those who drink koolaid as well. Trust me, it keeps the blood pressure and stress level low.
How does a 'man of God' excuse his actions when he is asked to escort an admitted murderer to turn himself in to the police, and he 1) takes the guy out for a meal and 'tweets' about it, 2) listens to the guy's confession and 'tweets' about it, 3)takes the guy to turn himself in and 'tweets' about it?
Corey Brooks is an attention-mongering, integrity-bereft, sad excuse for a minister.
8/15/2013 12:24:00 AM
Did the guy surrender to police?
8/15/2013 08:52:00 AM
He surrendered to Corey Brooks, who later walked him into the police station, defending him by saying the guy was off his meds and that's why he was out of control, shooting people.
8/15/2013 06:39:00 PM
He didn't surrender to Corey Brooks, he surrendered to some fugitive team who already got him to turn himself in
He didn't surrender to Corey Brooks, he surrendered to some fugitive team who already got him to turn himself in
8/16/2013 06:15:00 PM
So, you're saying Corey Brooks is lying in this tweet? “Turning a brother into the police for shooting and killing two people we just prayed I gave him the plan of salvation he accepted,” Brooks wrote on Twitter. “We prayed at the church now we on our way to the police station.”
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/08/14/murder-suspect-charged-after-confessing-to-pastor-surrendering-to-police/
Pfleger is a THREE DOLLAR BILL and embrassment to the Catholic church.
FYI - Arcdiocesan priests don't take a vow of poverty. But I know many good priests who live as if they had. AND, my pastor drives a used, mid- price non-glamor car!
The Cardinal knows what Pfleger does....and is balancing his lunacy against the potential danger of the people of St Sabina's spinning off into their own renegade congregation should Pfleger leave. The problem of cult of personality is so outrageous in this parish!
Anonymous said...
Pfleger is a THREE DOLLAR BILL and embrassment to the Catholic church.
8/17/2013 04:54:00 PM
Child molestation is an embarrassment to the church.
He didn't surrender to Corey Brooks, he surrendered to some fugitive team who already got him to turn himself in
8/16/2013 06:15:00 PM
So, you're saying Corey Brooks is lying in this tweet? “Turning a brother into the police for shooting and killing two people we just prayed I gave him the plan of salvation he accepted,” Brooks wrote on Twitter. “We prayed at the church now we on our way to the police station.”
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/08/14/murder-suspect-charged-after-confessing-to-pastor-surrendering-to-police/
8/17/2013 12:40:00 AM
No asshat!!!, What I am saying is The fugitive officers were talking to the family by the front desk and the family were asking the officers is it going to make it better since the family cooperated with the officers and since their brother spoke with the officers offering to turn himself in to the officers. Corey Brooks escorted him to the station. How do I know, I work the front desk in Area Central!!!
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