Coup at FOP Fails
Board Meeting today and some rumors started flying:
- Off topic but important: There is a FOP Board meeting today where Dougherty is rumored to make a motion to have Shields step down. Please remember Dougherty hired and refuses to fire Primary Counsel for FOP Paul Geiger, who is behind a lot of the problems plaguing the FOP.
- The coup is under way at the FOP Board meeting. Bye bye mikey. All the rats have turned on you.
A lot of fireworks, and then...:
- Maybe Dougherty doesn't have the stones to be FOP President. Afraid he did not have the votes he didn't call for Shields resignation. Shields said he did not know he had to send the letter. Donahue and Aguilar reminded Mike they told him to send the letter. Mike called them liars. One Board member says Shields is a idiot but Dougherty should have known better and e should be thrown out of the office. Great theatrics much like our city council. The whole Board s an embarrassment.
- No coup at the FOP today. Everyone on the board talked a good game but when it was all said and done, Kevin Graham was the only trustee to initiate charges against the President and he didn't have the votes.
So nothing until the General Meeting coming up with the potential for a bunch of loud talk and irritated coppers.
Fran Spielman and Frank Main add Rahm's voice to the mix, carrying water for City Hall:
Fran Spielman and Frank Main add Rahm's voice to the mix, carrying water for City Hall:
- For the first time, Fraternal Order of Police President Mike Shields is apologizing to his members for paperwork mistakes that threaten to deny rank-and-file Chicago Police officers a retroactive pay raise.
The Chicago Police contract expired on June 30, 2012. Shields missed an earlier deadline to notify the city he intended to terminate the old contract and negotiate a new one.
So the contract automatically rolled over for another year — and unionized officers won’t automatically receive a retroactive pay raise for the first year after the contract expired.
It's like a giant soap opera, all paid for with our dues money. These are supposed to be adults looking out for 9,500 coppers. Time for a wholesale change?
Labels: FOP, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
136 Comments:
They're all back at the bar laughing and having cocktails talking about the "good cop -- bad cop" show they just put on I'd wager
It is time for wholesale changes. Shields and Gorman have to go, but have only been there one term. Dougherty, Aguilar, and that crew have been there at least the last 10 yrs.
Let me just say, Kevin Graham is a top-notch guy who has our best interests in mind. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he made the motion to have Shields step down. He's not part of Shields' team, but even if he was, he would have done the same exact thing. Remember his name, in case he runs next election.
In the meantime, look inside your FOP book and start memorizing all those names (including all those trustees), and clean house next election.
Reality is the only guys that you could count on to pick a fight with Shields are the 4 guys that ran for pension board that were not tied to him.
I will feel better if FOP president only takes his patrolman's salary, less his presidents bump $, for his last year in office.
In other words, he should defer his bump in pay as a way of saying "I'm sorry, I screwed up." I would honestly view that as a reasonable restitution for his blunder.. Whadda think?
Shields is a liar! I sent an email directly to him about 3 months ago asking if there was any validity to this "letter". His response was that ALL paper work was filed on time and that we shouldn't allow the city to divide us!!! FUCKING LIAR!!!!! Shields I hope you get a nasty yeast infection!
so my question is if the last year of the contract rolls over,than aren't we due a 1% percent raise like we received in Jan 2012 for the period of Jan 13.food for thought.......im hungry
FOP: Fuck Over Policemen (and women). The labor council isn't worth a shit either.
Dougherty is a tool. Every time I see him he's always talking about how hard he's working for the members and makes it look like he's overworked. That's how most of those guys are;always acting like they're busy as hell so as to deter coppers from bothering them with their issues. But remember how gracious they were when they were campaigning? Haaaa funny how things change overnight.
It's easy to point fingers, Shields stepped on his Dick plain& simple. Remember Hair Gels, you wanted young blood calling the shots. Be careful what you wish for...
Talk about incompetence. What a fucking embarrassment. I should be surprised but I'm not.
Where's the leverage and who has it?
I had a post written up about leaving Chicago behind and working with far better cities and towns elsewhere, but it is not my place to write it, as I'm just a citizen and I've never been to Chicago.
However, I've read SCC these past couple of years and I get the feeling that the city does not need nor want its peace officers going by its treatment of them and how low they keep putting them on the priority list.
I don't reckon most of y'all got into the job for the money. Y'all are fighting for something, putting your time and lives down for something and so it wouldn't be my place to try and dissuade y'all from that.
All I can do is pray for your safety and success and so I will.
Time for the teamsters !
Didn't Shields swear up and down that he sent the letter to the City and that it was on time?
Remember that the guys at the FOP hall sit there at the whim of Shields. If he decides to put someone else there these guys are back in a beat car.
Steady boys. Every time that little 9 fingered hobgoblin reads a post like this he gets a tiny little erection He's probably humping the back of some poor defenseless chair in the breakfast nook this morning.
We have but one enemy: City Hall. That building is full of conniving evil doers that will steal money from your children. Put your effort into defeating that army, not your own.
Next election, you are still not happy? Make a change. Now? Eyes forward.
Kevin Graham started a lot of trouble, and then lost his nerve. He neither filed charges, nor asked Shields to step down. He is a tireless self promoter,who is a very aambitious guy. He will use this incident to run for higher office. He is a sock puppet for Landslide Bill Dougherty. Don't fall for all of the BS. Shields made two mistakes; keeping Landslide Bill and Ag u liar upstairs. Both must go! Now!
I'm calling bullshit here. Nobody made any motion for Shields to step down. Nobody. The only truth to the post is that Aguilar and Donahue told the board that they told Shields to send the letter. Shields denied it, but when confronted with the prior board minutes supporting these facts he was suspiciously silent. He and nobody else failed to do his job. An I'm sorry just doesn't cut it.
Anonymous said...
Talk about incompetence. What a fucking embarrassment. I should be surprised but I'm not.
9/04/2013 01:57:00 AM
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I thought we were pretty much in agreement back in 2006-2010 that the city was in a hiring freeze when it came to hiring police. With that being said, there was not a large influx of youth on this department, and there are still more "old timers" on this department than there are "hair gels." Do you really think that the young coppers completely outnumber the rest of the voting block, and that they were solely responsible for putting Shields in office? I think you and I both know that's not the case. Shields procured votes from young and old so that he could eventually put us in the position we are now. So instead of trying to blame "hair gels," place the blame where to belongs, on Mike. For the record, I have 14 years, and don't know if I'm considered a "hair gel" or not, but I didn't vote for the man.
Rumor is, the FBI is looking into certain individuals there! Looks like their demons are catching up to them!
I was told by a trustee today that our President lied to the board and was swearing at board members when he was challenged. I was also told that he was told to send the letter by past president donahue and others.
Help me out here. If he was told to send the letter and he didn't send the letter. How is it anybody else's fault but his? I understand this is a blog and any of us can put whatever we want on here (With your say SCC), but everyone blogs about what a mistake putting someone with Shields lack of experience in there, then in the next breath they are saying Dougherty and Aguilar have got to go they have to much experience. Which is it?
It's easy to point fingers, Shields stepped on his Dick plain& simple. Remember Hair Gels, you wanted young blood calling the shots. Be careful what you wish for...
Sheilds ultimately is responsible. But a "TEAM" never lets one of the teammates behind. Problem is, there is no team work in this city. FOP is, has, and will always be a joke until we all learn to stand together. The whole department, fop and what not in this city is beyond corrupt. I can't wait for Karma to come kicken ass!!!
Does anyone on the board actually read the by laws or our contract?
You don't need to "have votes" to file charges against the president. File written charges with little Sid and call it a day.
They will have to appoint a sham committee and have a sham hearing, but the sham can then be appealed to the state and national fop if need be.
Dougherty is a tool. Every time I see him he's always talking about how hard he's working for the members and makes it look like he's overworked. That's how most of those guys are;always acting like they're busy as hell so as to deter coppers from bothering them with their issues. But remember how gracious they were when they were campaigning? Haaaa funny how things change overnight.
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He took a page from George costanza, just act and look frustrated whenever someone comes around and it looks like you are working hard.
All the more reason I'm done with this City and Police dept.
ROD = Retired On Duty!
Shields does appear a bit taller when driving his cadillac escalade. Just saying...
•No coup at the FOP today. Everyone on the board talked a good game but when it was all said and done, Kevin Graham was the only trustee to initiate charges against the President and he didn't have the votes. Who voted with crackers? I like to compare who voted with Graham and who runs for office. If anyone runs for office but did not vote with crackers then they are a snake in the weeds and won't get my vote.
Kevin loves Kevin He was on the negotiation for Markie Marks team so how does he walk away from any ownership of this? He needs a lot more time on the treadmill and a lot less time on that trick mirror that makes him look like a movie star in his own mind.
Nothing gets put into Fran Speilman's columns that Rahm does not approve. So much for Shields being in Rahm's pocket. Rahm hates Shields because of the Sgts. contract going down in flames.
No contract? How about no parkers, State violations for movers - no MCC violations, in the station for every TVB driving w/o a license. No cars available for the whole weekend may get the city's attention. Screw Rahm.
Anonymous said...
so my question is if the last year of the contract rolls over,than aren't we due a 1% percent raise like we received in Jan 2012 for the period of Jan 13.food for thought.......im hungry
9/04/2013 01:12:00 AM
Yup !!!! Everything thing stays the same. Nothing can change.
Anonymous said...
so my question is if the last year of the contract rolls over,than aren't we due a 1% percent raise like we received in Jan 2012 for the period of Jan 13.food for thought.......im hungry
9/04/2013 01:12:00 AM
Class action grievence.
hey mike how does it feel to get donahue's support? markie did the same thing to harold kuntz, bob podgorney and others you offered a high paying position in fop lobbyist?if donahue knew and aguilar knew are they not also responsible? let's see the minutes of past meeting where donahue and aguilar told shields hey sidney pay back time
what is the treasurers position on all of this? i am sure he has one.
"Everyone on the board talked a good game".
Just like most of the coppers, talk a good game, but when it comes down to it most will just roll over and bring the numbers in.
Keep it up, all you are doing is hurting yourselves.
Now go out there work special and VRI....DUMMIES!
If you keep writing contact cards, then Rahm wins. If you stop, he loses.
You have the power, not Rahm. The teachers stuck together, Rahm balked.
What will you do?
Dougherty is a nice guy, but getting a straight answer out of him is like pulling teeth and drawing blood at the same time!
Along with inventing the internet little Mikey is also taking credit for convincing the sgts to vote down their contract. Sorry Mikey we are smart enough to vote without your input. And smart enough to have our contract settled already.
I was at the meeting yesterday and Kevin Graham did not initiate any charges against Shields. A handful of the Trustees wanted action, but the majority of his people wanted to keep him in office because it will make us weak. Their argument was that we need a ship with a "Captain" of during contract negotiations.
I'm calling Ted Street today to get charges initiated against the Board.
Who really cares? Englewood is getting a Whole Foods. Problem solved.
Shields and Rahm go to the same bath house. They cut the deal there about the letter. Shields is way over his head just like Obama. Both are clueless but both can talk the wool off a sheep!!!
It is time for wholesale changes. Shields and Gorman have to go, but have only been there one term. Dougherty, Aguilar, and that crew have been there at least the last 10 yrs.
Let me just say, Kevin Graham is a top-notch guy who has our best interests in mind. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he made the motion to have Shields step down. He's not part of Shields' team, but even if he was, he would have done the same exact thing. Remember his name, in case he runs next election.
In the meantime, look inside your FOP book and start memorizing all those names (including all those trustees), and clean house next election.
I will not vote for one of those incompetent bastards. Rich Aguilar is scared to death of having to come back to 014.
and btw, that 5 year contract with barely 4 years worth of raises just became a 6 year contract with barely 4 years worth of raises.
Remember Obama appointed people to the National Labor Relations Board during congressional recess. "IT WAS A HUGE SCANDLE." Some appointments were ruled unconstitutional. The corrupt Democratic party controls that board. Thanks FOP/Donahue/Shields for endorsing the corrupt Democratic party, it came full circle upon us.
who cares about the retro any way it wouls such a small amount lets fight to keep what we have andf i will takwe a pay freeze just give my vri roadblocks and court time and i will it even
Oh there ARE gonna be changes at FOP. BIG changes. Probably happening as I type this. Two RATS will be getting the ax today and you'll be surprised who and why.
As to the poster posturing for Kevin Graham. He is no more than a shill for the Citywide Team. He's cut from the same cloth as all those guys like Aguilar, DiMaria, Dougherty, Donahue etc that f$?ked things up way before Shields got elected.
Make no mistake about it, the "letter" incident was choreographed by the old regime to sink Mike, only he has to be the one to eat crow. They want the good old boys to have exclusive run of the union, not fresh faced outsiders who sniffed around and discovered just how much bullshit and nefariousness is going on over there.
Yes, things are going to get ugly. The dinosaurs at FOP need to go - THEY are the ones that sabotaged the negotiations. All will soon be revealed.
Kevin Graham would be the intelligent choice. A well respected officer with yours and mine best interest first.
Kevin stop posting stories about how great you are and what a cops cop you are.
If it goes to arbitration and the ruling is for a pay raise for the end of 2012. And a second raise is awarded for Jan. 2013, wouldn't the back pay have to be paid??
Is Shields gonna sell out us retirees too?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where's the leverage and who has it?
I had a post written up about leaving Chicago behind and working with far better cities and towns elsewhere, but it is not my place to write it, as I'm just a citizen and I've never been to Chicago.
However, I've read SCC these past couple of years and I get the feeling that the city does not need nor want its peace officers going by its treatment of them and how low they keep putting them on the priority list.
I don't reckon most of y'all got into the job for the money. Y'all are fighting for something, putting your time and lives down for something and so it wouldn't be my place to try and dissuade y'all from that.
All I can do is pray for your safety and success and so I will.
9/04/2013 03:47:00 AM
Some are trying to leave this city. Unfortunately, there are things like homes, spouse's job, kids, money and other factors holding the move up. I personally am trying to leave but no one has bought my house yet. As soon as that happens I am gone. Others stay and complain because it is probably easier than uproot their family and start in a new department. Some are far too vested in this shitty city as it is to even think about moving.
Between the morons at the FOP and the complete lack of intelligence and ethics at the PBPA, we all pretty
much look like clowns. No wonder the City isn't worried about us. We've got absolutely nothing to hold over them. It's pathetic and embarrassing.
It's still up to the arbitrator! This is going to drag out for another 3-4 yrs! The City is slooooooooooooow!
Dougherty is a tool. Every time I see him he's always talking about how hard he's working for the members and makes it look like he's overworked. That's how most of those guys are;always acting like they're busy as hell so as to deter coppers from bothering them with their issues. But remember how gracious they were when they were campaigning? Haaaa funny how things change overnight.
I disagree about Dougherty. He has always been there when I call and is straight and to the point. Very helpful are words I would use to describe him.
This is the second time this group came to the gun fight with blanks. The first time they tried to throw all of the retirees out of the union and now this. You may not vote for Shields but how could any of us vote for anyone from the Donahue team. They just screwed us over the last 2-1/2 years just to regain power. Maybe a third party ticket is need with some new blood. People who are involved but not part of a coup.
My question to the coup where were you guys the last 2-1/2 years?
Question #2 -and I'm getting this second hand - didn't the Board say if Shields goes than all of you assholes should go too? How can any of us trust you again. Shields owned up to a mistake but you guys have been plotting for 2-1/2 years? And some of the people on the board ran as part of your team in the last election.
I always knew Aguliar was way over his head but I am extremely disappointed in Donahue and Dougherty if what I am hearing is right.
Mike has uncovered the dirt - AND ALOT OF IT - that the Old regime had tried to hide. It's no wonder they didnt want Shields around because he's a reformer. He went after the pension problems. He's been a thorn in the side of the mayor regarding contract / pension / hiring / work conditions issues. He helped rally a vote against what the mayor tried doing to the sergeants. He fired Plienes for reasons that will see the light of day soon. Reasons that the old regime allowed. Reasons they don't want you and me to know so all this is good theatrics and distraction, until Shields and Company flipped over their trump card.
THEY WITHDREW THEIR MOTION TO BOUNCE SHIELDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALOT MORE TO LOSE. Gone today will be RA and BD, with more of the remaining Citywide RATS jumping ship before things get real ugly. At the end of the day PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES, ain't that right Richie and Bill? Too bad the membership has to suffer because you clowns let personal differences and the bullshit from the election carry over to the new mixed board FOP. Shields is the good guy here, even with the mistake made. The old regime sabotaged this.
Signed, Citywide Leftover
Kevin Graham is a complete and utter boob. He has no balls I work with him in 023/019 and as a unit rep he goes into the Commander cuts a deal and has never filed a grievance like the officer expects. He is a sell out who cannot be trusted.
At least Kevin has some balls, thankyou.
Shields is an ego maniac, and should of never been given the chance.
Shields fucked up. No question. But I am angry that Douherty, Aguilar, Donahue et al didn't advise Shields to send the letter. They have sat thru several contract negotiations in the past. They threw Shields under the bus to get elected on their new fop ticket at the expense of 10, 000 members? Absolutely sickening. Doesn't anyone see this? We were sold out so Dougherty can run for fop president with Aguilar as vice president. They formed a ticket. I hope you guys rot in hell you motherfuckers.
I will feel better if FOP president only takes his patrolman's salary, less his presidents bump $, for his last year in office.
In other words, he should defer his bump in pay as a way of saying "I'm sorry, I screwed up." I would honestly view that as a reasonable restitution for his blunder.. Whadda think?
9/04/2013 01:02:00 AM
How could he afford that splendid shack in exclusive "Wildwood"?
And lighten up over the "lost" retro pay already. It's hard enough keeping all those NW side indian named angle streets straight, much less sending out a damned letter that Judas Dougherty and the rest of the old guard FOP apostles shoulda given the heads up on...
Did you hear Mike and Dan each spent over $1000 this year alone, out-of-pocket, on cashews for FOP meetings? I don't believe it either, seems a little low...
Shields is doing exactly what he did at the pension Board, NOTHING!
I will feel better if FOP president only takes his patrolman's salary, less his presidents bump $, for his last year in office.
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The sergeants union only gets their base pay.
What kind of person would want to be a union boss for no extra pay?
ANSWER:
John Pallohusky
check out the poor bastard's new mugshot:
http://www2.illinois.gov/idoc/Offender/Pages/InmateSearch.aspx
COOTER for FOP president! He can't spell and he ain't pretty, but I know he'll go to hell and back for us.
9500 x $5,000 (approx) = $47,500,000 is about right the mistake that Shields will be taking away from patrolmen from his mistake. His simple apology should not be taken at all. Patrol is taking hard hits. Patrol has to be exposed to CRs, bad bosses and stressful times with a weak union that sucks. Instead of golfing, the FOP needs to fight to get us all of our benefits and more. At least fight it, stop sleeping with the city. I really do not think this was a mistake, too much friendliness with McCarthy and city tends to cloud the judgement of the FOP.
We have two choices. Vote everyone on the current FOP Board out. Everyone listed in your FOP handbook OUT! Our second choice is to de-certify and go in a different direction with another union. It's that simple.
If it goes to arbitration and the ruling is for a pay raise for the end of 2012. And a second raise is awarded for Jan. 2013, wouldn't the back pay have to be paid??
9/04/2013 11:00:00 AM
Dumbass, 2012 is not arbitration eligible! It was an automatic contract extension was the deadline passed. Stop being stupid!
And lighten up over the "lost" retro pay already. It's hard enough keeping all those NW side indian named angle streets straight, much less sending out a damned letter that Judas Dougherty and the rest of the old guard FOP apostles shoulda given the heads up on...
If you were at the meeting, you would know that Mike was told about the letter. He lied to the board and said that he wasn't told about it. Then he spoke about it at the Feb 2012 general meeting (its in the minutes). He was handed a copy of the minutes and looked like a ghost. Mike lied, not the board. He needs to go.
The FOP officers are paid the big salaries because they are on call and go out on shootings. Oops I forgot they hired Farrell and Kato to o out on shootings. They hired Camden as spokesman. I think they should go back to their city salaries. Lets see how they like like it.
I see the Shields boys are networking again. Hey Mike, how about the concept of telling the truth. You and your crew are blaming others when the lie was truly you and you alone. See you back in 011.
All the people who blame Bill and Rich for Mikes failure are fools. Mike isn't smart enough to consult a lawyer about the letter? Lets be real
Dougherty is a nice guy, but getting a straight answer out of him is like pulling teeth and drawing blood at the same time!
Is this the same Dougherty that handles the Health issues? If it is he has helped me at least three times in the last two years with insurance problems. I don't that you can't get an answer out of him.
Mikey PINNOCCHIO Shields should be apologizing for being a liar. Mikey, you can't teach stupid. Did you and Doherty remove Harold Brown because he is smarter than you? Or because he was asking question about Gieger and his deals? What about Donahue's sweet heart deal? The money that was spent on FOP lawyer Diemer? ANSWERS ANSWERS ANSWERS????????
When a coup fails aren't the plotters supposed to be killed? Just saying
Mike might be a complete boob but Bill isn't the answer.
I talked to Frankie D. He told me not to believe the blog, mike sent the city the letter. Just another liar.
Mike might be a complete boob but Bill isn't the answer.
I will feel better if FOP president only takes his patrolman's salary, less his presidents bump $, for his last year in office.
In other words, he should defer his bump in pay as a way of saying "I'm sorry, I screwed up." I would honestly view that as a reasonable restitution for his blunder.. Whadda think?
9/04/2013 01:02:00 AM
How could he afford that splendid shack in exclusive "Wildwood"?
And lighten up over the "lost" retro pay already. It's hard enough keeping all those NW side indian named angle streets straight, much less sending out a damned letter that Judas Dougherty and the rest of the old guard FOP apostles shoulda given the heads up on...
Did you hear Mike and Dan each spent over $1000 this year alone, out-of-pocket, on cashews for FOP meetings? I don't believe it either, seems a little low...
9/04/2013 01:09:00 PM
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Shields will always be a Queeens guy.
FYI Shields doesn't live in Wildwood, it's called Edgebrook.
Unfortunately the men and women who put their lives on the line everyday don't care about this crap. Maybe that's why these clowns get elected. I apologize to professional clowns.
If the coup fails shouldn't the plotters be executed?
Maybe move out of that building on Washington St and head out to the suburbs like all the other unions!
Anonymous said...
Time for the teamsters !
9/04/2013 04:22:00 AM
Yeah, I'm sure they will have our best interest at heart. NOT!
If HALF the amount of posters here actually went to FOP meetings and got involved, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess...
Michael these wars happen every ten years, it gets rid of all the bad blood. You take a vacation we get the fallout. Now go ahead squeeze the trigger.
COOTER for FOP President!
He would never support an increase of dental insurance coverage but he will fight for us!
Anonymous said...
Dougherty is a tool. Every time I see him he's always talking about how hard he's working for the members and makes it look like he's overworked. That's how most of those guys are;always acting like they're busy as hell so as to deter coppers from bothering them with their issues. But remember how gracious they were when they were campaigning? Haaaa funny how things change overnight
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Apparently you have never had any medical issues nor have you ever had any pension disability issues, I am happy for you, Bill for your information has my vote anytime as he is just what you said a very hard worker and has been extremely helpful in so many ways one thing is when he tells you something you can take it to the bank. I can only thank Bill for all the help he has given me and my family. Don't knock someone if you have no real knowledge of them.
Anonymous said...
Oh there ARE gonna be changes at FOP. BIG changes. Probably happening as I type this. Two RATS will be getting the ax today and you'll be surprised who and why.
As to the poster posturing for Kevin Graham. He is no more than a shill for the Citywide Team. He's cut from the same cloth as all those guys like Aguilar, DiMaria, Dougherty, Donahue etc that f$?ked things up way before Shields got elected.
Make no mistake about it, the "letter" incident was choreographed by the old regime to sink Mike, only he has to be the one to eat crow. They want the good old boys to have exclusive run of the union, not fresh faced outsiders who sniffed around and discovered just how much bullshit and nefariousness is going on over there.
Yes, things are going to get ugly. The dinosaurs at FOP need to go - THEY are the ones that sabotaged the negotiations. All will soon be revealed.
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Let's understand Mike Shields screws up and fails to perform his job, but we blame everyone else. Does anyone remember when Mikes secretary was fired and she told everyone of us that he failed to send in the letter to which she prepared and he was just to lazy we will say to send it. Mikey wrote this off to a fired disgruntled employee who lied. Now again how many times Mikey has told all of us this was not true and in the minutes of the February meeting told everyone of us that he was and has sent the letter. (Another Lie) Yesterday at the board meeting when confronted by several members yelled obscenity's an called the members liars. However one of the trustees produced the minutes of the meeting and showed Mikey his words to which he had no response. And again not long ago with his letter to the members he stated he dropped the ball and wished he could rewrite history but unfortunately that was not possible. Face it Mikey failed admitted he did and past minutes have proven he had knowledge of what he was suppose to do but for whatever reason did not do it.
Now quit blaming everyone else, if it was not for some of the older members on the board we could be in much more trouble.
Anonymous said...
Kevin stop posting stories about how great you are and what a cops cop you are.
Kevin does not have to post anything he is very respected and a stand up guy. Have worked with him and will go out of his way for you.
This was a setup from the start. SHIELDS has been set up and sabotaged from the start by the nest of snakes that currently sit on the third floor at FOP Hq. Seems to me this little coup set in motion by Kevin "Jimmy ade " Graham and the Doherty,Aguilar camp
blew up in their face.Just like their Steve Robbins fiasco.SHIELDS screwed up sending the letter on time but you can't tell me that Doherty,Aguilar and Donahue just sat on their hands for two years! They couldn't have said anything to the trustees or at a general meeting?
Come on this is as plain as the nose on your face.Rahm is having a wet dream over this and those three goofs just sat by for two years····
Here we are at each other's throats while Rahm can't contain himself.look to the teachers gentlemen, you may not like their president but their members stuck by her and formed a unified front,they know who the enemy is and solidify their efforts towards the real enemy who now wants to cut another 10% from our budget.Stand together or fall.
My math says one half of one percent for the first year of our contract(historically all we can expect) is $425.the next year that raise IF awarded to us by the arbitrator has to be paid to us?
Please stand together and face the real enemy.
Sounds like a class action lawsuit to me!
Mike has uncovered the dirt - AND ALOT OF IT - that the Old regime had tried to hide. It's no wonder they didnt want Shields around because he's a reformer. He went after the pension problems. He's been a thorn in the side of the mayor regarding contract / pension / hiring / work conditions issues. He helped rally a vote against what the mayor tried doing to the sergeants. He fired Plienes for reasons that will see the light of day soon. Reasons that the old regime allowed. Reasons they don't want you and me to know so all this is good theatrics and distraction, until Shields and Company flipped over their trump card.
THEY WITHDREW THEIR MOTION TO BOUNCE SHIELDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALOT MORE TO LOSE. Gone today will be RA and BD, with more of the remaining Citywide RATS jumping ship before things get real ugly. At the end of the day PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES, ain't that right Richie and Bill? Too bad the membership has to suffer because you clowns let personal differences and the bullshit from the election carry over to the new mixed board FOP. Shields is the good guy here, even with the mistake made. The old regime sabotaged this.
Signed,
The Labkon / Finkyl Families
Gen. Iron. /. Finkyl Steel
2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
2% 2% 2% 2%
65,000 66300 67626 68978 70,358
65,000 65,000 66300 67626 68,978
MIN $ Loss Per Person = 1379
x 9500 POs = 13,105,918.80
PLUS: 20% Pension contribution
Overtime monies
Extend over future earnings
Wow it's funny the new breed police elected the pres. and now that he and only he made the bad call y'all want to blame the past pres. because he didn't do something he knew nothing about (and if you really know what going on and not just talking S--T you know)I was always told that you don't grow old being a fool. But it seems the new breed come in highly educated and don't know S--T ABOUT THE REAL WORLD. Kind of like...well you know...
Like it or not Patrol put us in this situation being anti-everybody!!! Instead of getting together it was patrol against everyone and now you see what happen. Being the Police we need input and expertise from everyone and most of all experience but you didn't want that. You just wanted someone from patrol because you thought they would take care of you. One day you will realize WE ALL CAME FROM PATROL. And we know your job but do you know ours??? That's why the city easily screws us!!!! They pit us against each other. You didn't see that WITH THE TEACHERS. If you were at teacher you were at teacher all for one and one for all just like fire. But not us, it's Patrol vs Gangs vs the D'unit vs Org Crime and on and on we are such saps................
Hey assholes the retro check would only be a few hundred net. Damn. Concentrate on health and your pension FOOLS.
Anonymous said...
If it goes to arbitration and the ruling is for a pay raise for the end of 2012. And a second raise is awarded for Jan. 2013, wouldn't the back pay have to be paid??
9/04/2013 11:00:00 AM
Because the letter wasn't sent, the contract did not expire on June 30, 2012. The contract expired on June 30, 2013. So any raise will begin at the expiration of the old contract. Any raise will begin July 1, 2013. Not 2012. We lost that one in an unfair labor practice decision. Forget about it, it is history.
Anonymous said...
Talk about incompetence. What a fucking embarrassment. I should be surprised but I'm not.
9/04/2013 01:57:00 AM
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I thought we were pretty much in agreement back in 2006-2010 that the city was in a hiring freeze when it came to hiring police. With that being said, there was not a large influx of youth on this department, and there are still more "old timers" on this department than there are "hair gels." Do you really think that the young coppers completely outnumber the rest of the voting block, and that they were solely responsible for putting Shields in office? I think you and I both know that's not the case. Shields procured votes from young and old so that he could eventually put us in the position we are now. So instead of trying to blame "hair gels," place the blame where to belongs, on Mike. For the record, I have 14 years, and don't know if I'm considered a "hair gel" or not, but I didn't vote for the man.
9/04/2013 05:58:00 AM
Wait a minute, I am a little confused here. I am an old guy, hired under revolver rules. But I also use hair gel. So what would that make me, a gray hair gel? How about Grecian Formula Hair Gel? Does anyone make hair gel with some brown coloring in it? These new styles of grooming, I don't know, it would be easier if male pattern baldness had set in years ago.
The last two contract arbitrations were all fake that is why Bill and marky are a little scared. The cat is out of the hat and there is proof to bury both of them. Be careful Bill.
Anonymous said...
Remember Obama appointed people to the National Labor Relations Board during congressional recess. "IT WAS A HUGE SCANDLE." Some appointments were ruled unconstitutional. The corrupt Democratic party controls that board. Thanks FOP/Donahue/Shields for endorsing the corrupt Democratic party, it came full circle upon us.
9/04/2013 10:15:00 AM
The appeal was filed with the state labor board, moron.
What I am hearing is there was never a vote on this because even some of the trustees who were hold over’s from the City-Wide Team said this was bull sitttttt……. Many of the trustees said if Mike goes all of you going too. You assholes had over two years to do this why now?
Answer: if you have not been going to meeting prior to this you can not run for office because you will not have enough meetings in by the end of the year. Graham and Aguliar have been plotting this for a long time.
I’m so pissed off over this. I used to consider many of the guys from the City-Wide team as friends but now that I see how thing played out I realize I should have never trusted any of them after they tried to purge the lodge of all of the retirees. They said the old Nolan team were not out to protect the membership. But they just fucked over every copper in order to cut Shields off at the legs. I or my partner have made every meeting in almost a decade. Why did this assholes never bring this up at general meeting? Because they were just bidding their time. In the light of day they are far worse than the Nolan team ever was.
Kevin Graham is a complete and utter boob. He has no balls I work with him in 023/019 and as a unit rep he goes into the Commander cuts a deal and has never filed a grievance like the officer expects. He is a sell out who cannot be trusted.
Yeah, ok, give one example of Kevin cutting a deal. Go ahead...we're waiting. With an out-of-control XO, Kevin has gone to bat for many many p.o.'s who the XO tries to screw over with his nonsense. He knows the contract inside and out and if he doesn't know the answer, he does "get back to you".
Harold, stay off the blog !
Some are trying to leave this city. Unfortunately, there are things like homes, spouse's job, kids, money and other factors holding the move up. I personally am trying to leave but no one has bought my house yet. As soon as that happens I am gone. Others stay and complain because it is probably easier than uproot their family and start in a new department. Some are far too vested in this shitty city as it is to even think about moving.
9/04/2013 11:18:00 AM
I am genuinely sorry to hear that.
Looking at the pension system, I agree that there need to be more cops, not less, to sustain it. The city isn't upholding its pension obligations in addition to trying to "do more with less".
Where is that going to leave those officers and their families in 15-20 years?
These... criminals are going to spend their retirement in comfort off the back of an entire bankrupt city. In this story, the bad guy wins.
If y'all have leverage, now is the time to use it. The infighting has got to stop and y'all need to stand together. For better or worse, you ARE family and you need to be there for each other. You're supposed to be an example of the best we can be. Is this the best you've got?
If you can't get out, then fight for your future. Don't just hope that you're going to have a pension and the city will take care of you on retirement.
This is part of a letter my Uncle wrote me while he was deployed some years back. I'm passing it on in hopes that it helps y'all as much as it helped me.
"Sounds like they enjoy it, hard to get through to people. It really comes down to what he wants, if he likes that kind of life style, he will stay in it. If he doesn’t, he will change it. A person has to want to change, and then make the first step.
I see a lot of different places, new languages, different races, all kinds of different ethnic backgrounds. The one thing I see a lot of is classes. There are classes in every society; upper, middle, lower, and an occasional close call between them both. I have rubbed shoulders in every type of society hierarchy. I was treated like a king in Uzbekistan, and lived like a pauper in Kazakhstan. Dined with Generals in Germany, and traded an MRE for a can of beef from a Russian Cook. It’s easy to see the difference between the classes, but what strikes me funny….is the lack of people wanting to change. The low stay low, the high stay high; each with its own challenges and problems; neither one better than the other.
I have seen people that were beaten by their abusive husbands, talking with people that were ignored by their father….and each one say they had the worse childhood. It’s not the amount of abuse, or even the type….its what the person puts the emphasis on. Everyone has their dark times; it’s what you do with that information that molds you as a person. You either dwell in self pity for the rest of your days, or you learn from it, and grow as a human."
“Everything has a trick to it; you just have to find the trick.”
It's easy to point fingers, Shields stepped on his Dick plain& simple. Remember Hair Gels, you wanted young blood calling the shots. Be careful what you wish for...
9/04/2013 01:38:00 AM
I agree that Shields turned did not turn out to be the answer but neither has those who have made a career out of holding office at the FOP. I'm with the officers who advocate voting EVERYONE out, old and new, hair gel or wheel gun, all need to go.
Kevin Graham is wheeler-dealer that is all about Kevin Graham.
This (CPD) is like his 3 LEA. He is an unabashed brown-noser.
As for anyone in the FOP, its not who you trust. Its who you distrust the least.
hey mike how does it feel to get donahue's support? markie did the same thing to harold kuntz, bob podgorney and others you offered a high paying position in fop lobbyist?if donahue knew and aguilar knew are they not also responsible? let's see the minutes of past meeting where donahue and aguilar told shields hey sidney pay back time
9/04/2013 08:24:00 AM
Shields didn't "offer" Donahue that position. The previous president receives a hefty salary until the next president after Shields gets in office. Saying that he had an actual job was just fluff for us. It's amazing that our money is used to extend the salaries of past presidents voted out of office. Its like the FOP is a mob or something. no past president should receive any salary. Its our money and this is excessive to me.
Nevertheless Shields will get it as well.
Mike has uncovered the dirt - AND ALOT OF IT - that the Old regime had tried to hide. It's no wonder they didnt want Shields around because he's a reformer. He went after the pension problems. He's been a thorn in the side of the mayor regarding contract / pension / hiring / work conditions issues. He helped rally a vote against what the mayor tried doing to the sergeants. He fired Plienes for reasons that will see the light of day soon. Reasons that the old regime allowed. Reasons they don't want you and me to know so all this is good theatrics and distraction, until Shields and Company flipped over their trump card.
THEY WITHDREW THEIR MOTION TO BOUNCE SHIELDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALOT MORE TO LOSE. Gone today will be RA and BD, with more of the remaining Citywide RATS jumping ship before things get real ugly. At the end of the day PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES, ain't that right Richie and Bill? Too bad the membership has to suffer because you clowns let personal differences and the bullshit from the election carry over to the new mixed board FOP. Shields is the good guy here, even with the mistake made. The old regime sabotaged this.
Signed, Citywide Leftover
9/04/2013 12:18:00 PM
If you know so much why don't you quit talking in cryptic language and tell US what we need to know?
QUESTION:
Are the FOP meeting minutes available to all members? If so, where would one find them?
If not...why are they not available? The minutes to every meeting should be made available to all members. This is something we pay for as well. For these clowns to go to the meetings. If we had access to the minutes we would have caught a lot of issues on advance and not be in such a mess.
Wait a minute, I am a little confused here. I am an old guy, hired under revolver rules. But I also use hair gel. So what would that make me, a gray hair gel? How about Grecian Formula Hair Gel? Does anyone make hair gel with some brown coloring in it? These new styles of grooming, I don't know, it would be easier if male pattern baldness had set in years ago.
It makes you senile.
Anyone can see the incompetence of Shields by reading any of his articles in the Pension or FOP newsletter. He sounds so unintelligent. What university gave this clown a degree? If I were in his position, I would get a professional to edit his written work. And I would also be brushing up on how to obtain RD #''s cause he'll be in beat car soon when this next election comes around.
fop is a joke i retired in 2004 thank god and i got about 450 grand from the city please keep working so i can get another 450 grand iam a happy mfer see you boys and girls the real police the new school police are a joke SHIELDS AND HIS BOYS LATER
After reading all the I think this and I heard that comments let me point out some facts.
At the last board meeting Mike said he didn't know he was supposed to send a letter. Aguilar and Donahue said they reminded him. Mike called them liars. One of Mike's own guys produced the February 2012 general meeting minutes where Mike told those present he was going to send the letter. That meeting was prior to the deadline for filing the letter. Mike got caught in a lie.
This is not an opinion. These are the undisputed FACTS. They can be verified.
Aguilar, Donahue, and the entire board of directors are not the bad guys here. Only one guy failed to do his job. That person is Mike.
SCC: I am not sure why you didn't post my previous post regarding Mike Shields and why he will get re-elected? I compared Mike's re-election path to Jessie Jackson, Jr. - just as the residents in Jackson's district were pathetic when they re-elected him, Shields will be re-elected because our membership is a joke. Coppers are the first to call out people that voted for Jackson after he was re-elected, but Shields has cost members thousands of dollars and he'll get re-elected. Our membership is pathetic. We are no different than the people that voted for Jackson.
9-5-13, 1.16am You are a total asshole, you'll be a gray hair someday.
Signed
Another old revolver guy (now with a Glock)
MAP or PBPA ?? Once in a while you just have to do something to wake up those that are suppose to serve you.
When they start becoming self serving, pull the plug....
I'd meet with either one of those organizations in a NY second
kevin graham is a tool. screw him
agree that Shields turned did not turn out to be the answer but neither has those who have made a career out of holding office at the FOP. I'm with the officers who advocate voting EVERYONE out, old and new, hair gel or wheel gun, all need to go
Oh god.....here we go again with this stupidity
I agree.
But the Board has empowered mike to continue to be the asshole at an ever alarming rate.
Fuck you, mike.
"Shields fucked up. No question. But I am angry that Douherty, Aguilar, Donahue et al didn't advise Shields to send the letter. They have sat thru several contract negotiations in the past. They threw Shields under the bus to get elected on their new fop ticket at the expense of 10, 000 members? Absolutely sickening. Doesn't anyone see this? We were sold out so Dougherty can run for fop president with Aguilar as vice president. They formed a ticket. I hope you guys rot in hell you motherfuckers."
I couldn't have said it better myself
well everybody this what you get you could have voted for gary chico for mayor n greg bella for fop president, also i could care less about the raise i will take a pay freeze and without giving anything back just give use vri , roadblocks and court overtime
Please read the post below - I cut and paste early two posts. This is Mike Shields and his friends at work - they pile on posts that attempts to deflect the blame - please do not be pathetic and vote for Mike again. If the poster below really believes that Mike is to stupid to act on his own, then why not post that Mike is too stupid and all other board members need to be voted off as well.
"Shields fucked up. No question. But I am angry that Douherty, Aguilar, Donahue et al didn't advise Shields to send the letter. They have sat thru several contract negotiations in the past. They threw Shields under the bus to get elected on their new fop ticket at the expense of 10, 000 members? Absolutely sickening. Doesn't anyone see this? We were sold out so Dougherty can run for fop president with Aguilar as vice president. They formed a ticket. I hope you guys rot in hell you motherfuckers."
I couldn't have said it better myself
Hey SCC, I gotta guy that would love to run da FOP. Youze guys let me know.
I thought we were pretty much in agreement back in 2006-2010 that the city was in a hiring freeze when it came to hiring police. With that being said, there was not a large influx of youth on this department, and there are still more "old timers" on this department than there are "hair gels
In agreement about a hiring freeze from 2006 to 2010. That was a period of huge hiring. Test was given in 2006 . hiring started in like May 2007. There was a class in the academy every month from then on until the end of 2007 and they classes continued for 2008, 2009 and 2010 In July 2007 there were actually 2 recruit classes that startyed that month. Also in 2006 there were 4 CPS exams given so I have no idea where you think there was no hiring during that period
Anonymous said...
Mike has uncovered the dirt - AND ALOT OF IT - that the Old regime had tried to hide. It's no wonder they didnt want Shields around because he's a reformer. He went after the pension problems. He's been a thorn in the side of the mayor regarding contract / pension / hiring / work conditions issues. He helped rally a vote against what the mayor tried doing to the sergeants. He fired Plienes for reasons that will see the light of day soon. Reasons that the old regime allowed. Reasons they don't want you and me to know so all this is good theatrics and distraction, until Shields and Company flipped over their trump card.
THEY WITHDREW THEIR MOTION TO BOUNCE SHIELDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALOT MORE TO LOSE. Gone today will be RA and BD, with more of the remaining Citywide RATS jumping ship before things get real ugly. At the end of the day PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES, ain't that right Richie and Bill? Too bad the membership has to suffer because you clowns let personal differences and the bullshit from the election carry over to the new mixed board FOP. Shields is the good guy here, even with the mistake made. The old regime sabotaged this.
Signed, Citywide Leftover
9/04/2013 12:18:00 PM
If you know so much why don't you quit talking in cryptic language and tell US what we need to know?
9/05/2013 12:04:00 AM
Just Shields talking BS!
Remember Shields hung out with Vanecko in grammar and high school.
Daley Democrat HACKS!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC: I am not sure why you didn't post my previous post regarding Mike Shields and why he will get re-elected? I compared Mike's re-election path to Jessie Jackson, Jr. - just as the residents in Jackson's district were pathetic when they re-elected him, Shields will be re-elected because our membership is a joke. Coppers are the first to call out people that voted for Jackson after he was re-elected, but Shields has cost members thousands of dollars and he'll get re-elected. Our membership is pathetic. We are no different than the people that voted for Jackson
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Well, I know why they didn't print it first time out... Because Your a Pathetic Idiot! Shields is History!!
I am a Sgt and I am sick to my stomach about you blue shirts losing you're retro. Lets say it will be about 3k a person. That comes out to almost 4 million dollars that the city saved. I can't believe you haven't impeached this clown. He's a liar. He was notified to send the letter and he didn't. Easily a vote of no confidence. Why are you blue shirts scared of him? He's making Deputy Chiefs pay and your gonna continue letting him. Sounds to me like Shields found the right suckers to pull his scams. Wake up Blue Shirts wake up.
Solution to no retro
Win Win for Rahm and Shields
take all retro pay and use it to fund our pension for future police officers
Donahue is the reason that Rahm and the city have to make things right in 2015, he worked very hard behind the scenes while still president to bet that bill passed in Springfield... that's the only Friggin thing that is keeping Tiny Dancer on his toes, He doesn't want to pay us our money, and CERTAINLY doesn't want it taken by the state from the City's share of revenue and directly deposited in the Pension fund. Say what you want about Donahue, but We owe him!
what if we get a pay cut in the next contract? Maybe his mistake saved us money.
"I agree that Shields turned did not turn out to be the answer but neither has those who have made a career out of holding office at the FOP. I'm with the officers who advocate voting EVERYONE out, old and new, hair gel or wheel gun, all need to go.
9/04/2013 11:36:00 PM"
So we should have a clean slate w/ Officers that ZERO experience regarding grievances, medical disability issues, safety concerns, dealing w/ the media, etc. let alone contract negotiation experience?
Sounds good in theory, but seriously flawed. We've seen 1st hand what a President w/ 10 years on when elected has done for us thus far.
When is someone going to file the failure to represent lawsuit paperwork. I am sure that Dan Herbert would be happy to assist. :)
Remember Shields hung out with Vanecko in grammar and high school.
Daley Democrat HACKS!
9/05/2013 04:13:00 PM
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Queens guys..... yes (grade school)
Shields St. Ig's (Same school as Nora Daley Conroy /Mayors daughter)
Vanecko is tied to Loyola
The friendships overlap though.
Sure wish Donahue was able to negotiate the contract instead of little boy shields
So we should have a clean slate w/ Officers that ZERO experience regarding grievances, medical disability issues, safety concerns, dealing w/ the media, etc. let alone contract negotiation experience?
Sounds good in theory, but seriously flawed. We've seen 1st hand what a President w/ 10 years on when elected has done for us thus far.
9/06/2013 02:46:00 AM
Where were Agulair and Doughtery doing? Playing hockey all day long? Having these guys up there really helped a lot didn't it?
It sounds like the City of Rahm got what it wanted everyone fighting among themselves while the busy little Rahm bee's continue their assault on the membership, the city is unscrupulous to say the very least and any stand up mayor would not do this to a department that made Chicago look great to the nations of the world during the NATO summit while Shield's may have screwed up the city is without moral's. Read the communist manifesto The book contains Marx and Engels' theories about the nature of society and politics, that in their own words, "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles".[3] It also briefly features their ideas for how the capitalist society of the time would eventually be replaced by socialism, and then eventually communism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto Every seasoned politician lives by this reading I'm sure learn to turn the tables on the city rather then wasting valuable time and resources fighting among yourselves that is what the city is hoping for don't give them the satisfaction turn the screws on this city.
Why not blame the Sergeants union MIke? Oh wait that ship has sailed. At least they had the stones to try to do something for their membership without forgetting legal protocol!
Donahue and Aguilar and Donahue thought they could stand by and use the letter against Shields. However they failed to calculate on how the letter would reflect on them since they stood by and watched. Inexperience I can almost excuse. however positioning yourselves at the expense of members so you can win the elections I can not excuse
9/9 0722 hrs....your an idiot. Donahue does not get to sit on the board unless MS is re-elected. you are talking out of your... a double s.....Donahue has looked out for ms every step of the way.
Where were Agulair and Doughtery doing? Playing hockey all day long? Having these guys up there really helped a lot didn't it?
Really, It came out at the board meeting that Mike was told several times by board members to send the letter. If you went to general meetings, you would know that 8 days before the letter was due Mike said that he had to send the letter in. It's in the minutes and its a fact, unlike your mage up reponse.
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