FOP Meeting
Tuesday at noon.
Expect fireworks with the Contract letter and Out-of-Grade issues being front and center. How do you lose Acting Desk Sergeant pay for a spot that has been paid out-of-grade as a matter of course for past practice?
We need answers.
Expect fireworks with the Contract letter and Out-of-Grade issues being front and center. How do you lose Acting Desk Sergeant pay for a spot that has been paid out-of-grade as a matter of course for past practice?
We need answers.
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
197 Comments:
Where is the FOP Hall?
Do I have to go? I'm busy. I gotta part time job. I gotta family.
It's easier for me to bitch on the blog, rather than do something myself.
I believe there will be a vote to eliminate some of the vice presidents spots also that day.
It's pretty simple really....You can't act up to a position that doesn't exist. The desk sergeant position was eliminated and therefore you cannot be an acting desk sergeant anymore. This is also the situation for Lieutenants. They can't get paid for acting Captain because the Captain is no longer the watch commander. The desk sergeant was never part of the FOP contract because the FOP doesn't represent Sergeants. For this reason, the FOP didn't lose or give up anything. There is nothing they can do about a position they never represented in the first place.
VOTE OUT THE 3RD VICE PRESIDENT & FINANCIAL SECRETARY!
Over $1,000,000 in savings over their 3 year terms for two positions that ARE NOT NEEDED!
VOTE VOTE VOTE
Thank the hair gel police allowing that shmuck Shield get elected.
He runs the show at FOP like a red neck carnival. Rahm on his worse day of his life can outwit Shields without missing a stroke.
Recall Shields before he loses every benifit blue shirt have left.
I can just imagine the old timers of the FOP when it was formed are saying !
YUKE ! Shields just resign and I am sure Rahm will let you work the front desk at 36 th. street.
If you of your family member are connected with the Current FOP as a trustee or director, you no longer have my trust.
Vote for the guys that do not have a FOP/Shields/Donahue connection.
Will the shields boys even be at the meeting? Was that their father's obituary in the paper? Either way, retired CPD, so RIP.
suprisingly our president mike shields will not be there. He is at a national lodge convention in seattle. yep, perfect timing mike to get outta town.. hey, you know who else was famous for perfectly timed trips... daley and rahm. shields, enjoy your conventions because your days of being back in a beat car are closer than you think
Dear, weaklings.
When I instructed my team to go after your union with typical underhanded tactics, like negotiating in the press, or suddenly charging that without that formality of a letter, we should act as though we have a legal right to pretend we suddenly thought you must have no intention of demanding a new contract, even though we were already negotiating a new contract, or that I had already campaigned on the promise of getting you a new contract quickly... I never imagined how quickly you would cannibalize your own union president.
It's as though he never actually got elected by a majority of you who cast a ballot.
Some in my inner circle even questioned me...
They said, "but mayor, do you want to risk being seen as not being able to keep your word, or exposing yourself as having never intending to negotiate in good faith, or wanting to go at it with yet another union, and their elected leader? Remember what happen when you tangled with Karen Lewis..."
I thought about it. Then I said, "Do it anyway!"
You know why, don't you, you lunkheads?
Because I knew you'd turn on him like you always turn on each other, you so-called 'brothers' in blue.
But I have to admit. Even I thought you'd put up more of a united front, at least until after this mess was over.
I thought, well, we'll fight it out. If they look like they've got any teeth and stand their ground, I might give in a little and at least they'll toss that little cheeky runt after it's over.
I didn't think, after all that fuss you guys do in your blog about my pals and minions at the 'scum-times,' that all it would take is a few planted stories about your guy missing some phony deadline, and you would all eat him alive and part ways, letting me have my way with you pipsqueaks all the way through this contract like you have no union, and on to my re-election without so much as a single story in the public's mind about how I screwed you over!
In a way, I'm actually a little unnerved to see what a bunch of pushovers my police force truly is if you couldn't hold the line, even if just to bluff for a few weeks til I just couldn't convince anyone anymore that I'm looking out for everyone's best interests, like, you know, the taxpayers, and all that other bullshit.
I mean...it's not like I was gonna have too hard a time convincing an arbitrator, or appeals judge, that the city just can't afford to roll over and concede to the demands of yet another union unwilling to accept that these are tough economic times, and we all have to tighten our belts and do our part.
It's not like it was me, the mouthpiece of the democratic party, the president of the United States, or my own mayoral campaign, promising everyone that we had all done so much for the economy, increasing revenue, creating job growth, and restoring home values and home sales to pre-recession levels...
Oh, wait. That was me? I did actually make those claims, didn't I?
Hm, now how do I convince an arbitrator that my police union still doesn't deserve a better contract than the one they were forced to accept due to the national crisis and the ensuing budget woes of municipalities like our great city?
Why... maybe a technicality. It's a stretch, but who knows? Maybe they'll eat it up.
Hook, line and sinker, suckers.
Thanks again,
Your pal,
Rahm.
Lets not forget that it is the taxpayers that have to pay for all these special union benefits and perks.
The way a desk guy explained it to me was the dept eliminated the "desk sgt" position, so you can't get out of grade for a position that no longer exists. I'm not saying its right/wrong. That's just what I was told. I'm not a desk person, so don't tear me apart on this.
SCC
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
"How do you lose Acting Desk Sergeant pay for a spot that has been paid out-of-grade as a matter of course for past practice?"
You can't blame FOP for how an arbitrator rules. From what I understand, they put on a tight case. Like anything else, it pretty much boils down to a roll of the dice. Seems they caught a shitty (perhaps "compromised"?) arbitrator.
Even after BOTH FOP and the city agreed that the evidence being heard (involving a single officer from the 005th District) should be considered as representative of all grievants, the arbitrator ruled the opposite.
The arbitrator also overlooked the fact that once either side (FOP or City) puts the other on notice that it intends to end a past practice (like out of grade pay), that it must be negotiated...which didn't happen. The city just, like always, made a rash decision that'll hopefully come back to bite them for yet again circumventing our contract.
This is good, as it leaves the door open to try a second arbitration using another officer's case. Word is they plan on using an 011th District officer's case due to his/her extensive collection of documentation. I believe the city first has to agree to another arbitration, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
Either way, it makes absolutely no sense how the sergeants can win their out of grade grievance and yet the PO's didn't. They do the most work out of the bunch. Our acting DSSs ask the POs on the desk how to do their duties 90+% of the time (and we don't even have a lockup), and officers routinely do several of the duties that the DSS is responsible for when there's a lieutenant "running the show" (ha! now THAT'S laughable).
Methinks the arbitrator got handed a nice fat envelope to render a decision that benefitted the city. Short of complete ignorance of how things REALLY get done on the administrative end of a watch in a district, there is no other explanation for the ruling these folks got stuck in their asses.
Best of luck to everyone involved. This one should be a no-brainer if you've ever seen the volume of work involved in some of these places.
it was a matter of wording for the griveience
some of these people got screwed royal on the desk sgt oog pay. the guy on my watch literaly does more work then the dss and prob approves more inventories per shift than some districts do in weeks. not to mention they are responsible for all that prisoner property, jewelry and cash in the safe. responsible for making sure all the dope goes in the dope safe. responsible for the tons on prisoners and their paper work coming in from our unit, other districts, the units upstairs, state police, UIC. etc, etc. The other watches are almost just as busy on the desk. YES you guessed I'm talking about 11. I HATE when I get put on the desk when they are short.But I have a new appreciation for that spot now.
HEY FLOP!!! SINCE THESE GUYS LOST THEIR GRIEVANCE, YOU SHOULD ASK FOR AT LEAST D2A PAY IN CONTRACT TALKS SINCE THEY DO MORE WORK THAN ANYONE IN THE BLDG!!
How do you lose Acting Desk Sergeant pay for a spot that has been paid out-of-grade as a matter of course for past practice?
Simple. The city and the FOP settle on using an arbitrator cut from the same cloth as Edwin Benn. Bought and paid for.
From what Aguilar wrote on FOP website it seems like this arbitrator was a complete moron. Silver lining is that it looks like we can get another crack at it with going back to arbitration (hopefully with an arbitrator that'll actually inquire, interview and properly research just how much many of the POs acting as Desk Sergeant really do).
And hopefully FOP uses a PO from a humping desk as their "representative case" and NOT from 005 like this past time around. I hope FOP figured out that just because someone has been paid out-of-grade over 800 times doesn't mean they do even 20% of the work/responsibiliies they do at a desk in places like 011, 015, 006 and 007.
..."the dog ate my homework."
Suddenly answers are important. Why weren't they important when the sergeants tried to fuck everybody under the sun, including retirees?
Everyone knows Mike fucked up. Everyone should know he was told to send the letter. If he tells anyone otherwise, he is full of shit plain and simple. The February 2012 meeting minutes state he going to send the letter. This occurred before the deadline. Obviously someone told him.
He halfway manned up at a unit rep meeting where he acknowledged it was his mistake. He even apologized for it, but he didn't go far enough. He should have admitted his co-workers advised him to send it instead of dragging them down with his sinking ship.
The contract letter and out of grade are all interesting questions in addition to the by law changes which are proposed. How does an organization, a bunch of (guys) who are suppose to be lokoing out for us screw up this bad. It was all about making money for themselves and positioning themsleves for down the road rather then looking out for our best interest. I never realized how to heavy our lodge was with a bunch of do nothings and never realized how much money they were making. Time for changes, everyone, everyplace is cutting back while the FOP is taking more. Enough is enough we need to take our union back.
They'll be checking guns at the door.
I've been on the job since '85, I've never seen the blue shirt as mad at the FOP and The City as they are right now.
Shields is like Nixon in 1973 & 1974, unable to function in the capacity he was elected to.
Mikey is famous for challenging people who disagree with him to "take it outside"
There isn't enough time in the world for Mikey to fight everyone who'd be MFing him at the meeting.
Any truth to the rumor the meeting is being moved to a larger venue to accomidate all the pissed off coppers that want to attend?
Like the United Center?
Because POs are not doing substantially the work of a sergeant. This was very much the correct decision. Learn the contract and learn the law before you write.
It's pretty simple really....You can't act up to a position that doesn't exist. The desk sergeant position was eliminated and therefore you cannot be an acting desk sergeant anymore. This is also the situation for Lieutenants.
Exactly. For the Sgts it's in the DSS order that the job will normally be filled by a LT. If not LT is available then a Sgt will be assigned as DSS. In their own B&W order the dept states that a Sgt is substantially doing a LT's job when DSS. Meets the contract requirement - a win. Watch Commander and Desk Sgt were eliminated under the management rights section. You can't act up to a non-existent position.
Hey 12:26 AM.The Desk Sergeant was never a part of the contract ? Read section 23.13, "Acting Desk Sergeant" Since your so smart tell me how the Sergeants won their out of grade claim for being the DSS ?
The acting Desk Sgt. grievance is as close as u can get to a slam dunk, sure thing. The Sgt.'s just won their grievance and the P.O.'s stance is just as strong if not stronger.
With all that being said I'll never understand how the arbitrator sided with the city. Hopefully the FOP has better success in round 2.
Why would anyone want the desk now? Hours are almost the same as the watch, no oog pay, and you're doing 3 times the work of a beat car. In addition, you can't roll up the window and drive off to disengage yourself from B.S. jobs, you're stuck arguing at the desk with problem people that won't leave and may want to fight. In time you'll have no one who works the desk who wants to be there and knows the details and minutiae of the desk. The Sgt.s won't know because they will never have been desk Sgt's. The Lt.'s won't know and the Capt.'s won't either. Let's face it, there are very many who have avoided the desk positions because it was too much like work and having to actually know how everything else worked, from copy machines and faxes, to court calls, e-trak, paper work etc.. The DSS becomes the answer man for everything (which you can't actually know everything) and nobody knows how to figure things out and learn something. This plan was B A D from it's inception, all to save a few shekels, but at the cost of the organization. I give it 2 or 3 years until it really starts to fail; and then we'll revert back to our old paradigm of a command structure. Did I mention CAPS?
It's pretty simple really....You can't act up to a position that doesn't exist. The desk sergeant position was eliminated and therefore you cannot be an acting desk sergeant anymore. This is also the situation for Lieutenants. They can't get paid for acting Captain because the Captain is no longer the watch commander. The desk sergeant was never part of the FOP contract because the FOP doesn't represent Sergeants. For this reason, the FOP didn't lose or give up anything. There is nothing they can do about a position they never represented in the first place.
You sir are an asshat who has no clue what you're talking about.
it's really simple, not too cool but simple. If a position is no
longer in existence, does it still exist? And if if doesn't should one be paid at the rate for the position that doesn't exist? Well WC no longer exists, so how can you pay a Lt. Capt. pay, if the captain is now an XO and the job or position of WC is gone? You create a new position of DSS which is for a Lt. but can be staffed with a Sgt. Well it don't take a genius to see where this is going. Sgt. working in a position that is a Lt.s spot, doing Lt.s job, Lt.s duties, well he gonna get Lt. pay. A PO performing duties that a desk Sgt. used to do but the position of desk Sgt. no longer exists, well no sgts pay.
Do I have to go? I'm busy. I gotta part time job. I gotta family.
It's easier for me to bitch on the blog, rather than do something myself.
Going to one of the circus FOP meetings wont do anything. I pay them to do a job. I shouldn't have to babysit FOP at the same time. The have their little foot soldiers that go to the meetings. How come information isn't relayed back and forth that way? FOP always has and will always be a crock of shit.
I find this amusing, you guys think all this shit matters the president of FOP along with the supt. and any other petty figurehead have no real power the same politicians and behind the scenes billionaires who are mostly democratic, run this city and now the White House. We will win the battles they allow us to win. I have never voted for any election or special votes because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Even if you got everything you wanted on this contract, they will get it back thru a tax, water bill etc... Invest your money wisely, and please don't tell me I have no rgt to complain because I don't vote. I am not complaining I am happy with my job I knew going in the city was corrupt and the job was a joke. If you take advantage of the benefits of this city and invest wisely you should be easily set up and won't have to rely on anyone. All you need to do here is help you fellow officers and the real victims then use this job to your advantage
You have to add the Retroactive pay to the list too. A simple letter of intent that the City won't accept late or amended.
Someone at FOP should have know better.
Since there is no Desk Sgt position, and the Lieutenant is the station supervisor, therefore any D1 performing duties like inventory approval, attendance sheets, daily schedules, W/C logs (never changed that forms title), etc. should be paid at Lt. scale(D4?). That 3 hr rule is bs too. No more passing the responsibilities on po's just because gMac screwed up the system and won't acknowledge manpower shortages.
This also probably has a lot to do with a Mgmt & Labor Affairs weasel and certainly an ill prepared FOP president. I do give credit to the hair gels for getting involved in the election process, but 'dude', you made a bad choice.
9/16/2013 03:30:00 AM
Kevin????
>>>Anonymous said...
It's pretty simple really....You can't act up to a position that doesn't exist. The desk sergeant position was eliminated and therefore you cannot be an acting desk sergeant anymore. This is also the situation for Lieutenants. They can't get paid for acting Captain because the Captain is no longer the watch commander. The desk sergeant was never part of the FOP contract because the FOP doesn't represent Sergeants. For this reason, the FOP didn't lose or give up anything. There is nothing they can do about a position they never represented in the first place.
9/16/2013 12:26:00 AM<<<
BULLSHIT! You Rahm Troll, or are you making excuses for Shields.
Just changing the title of a position does not change the work that is being done and the responsibility.
It's pretty simple really....You can't act up to a position that doesn't exist. The desk sergeant position was eliminated . . .
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The grievance should be restructured;
What is happening is the D.S.S./D-3 is "delegating" work to P.O.s on the desk that SHOULD be completed by him.
These tasks take well over 3 hours to complete, therefore according to the contract the P.O. should be paid out of grade.
The out of grade pay scale should be lieutenant / D-3 pay.
READ the DSS order.
The worksheets/A & A sheets should be DONE BY THE DSS however the "Watch Secretary" (which is NOT supposed to exist) does ALL that work that takes at least 5 hours plus a day.
The bonding of prisoners and ALL the paperwork SHOULD BE DONE BY THE DSS however at least 1 or 2 officers is handling ALL that work.
Depending on how busy the district is it could be an 8 HOUR JOB.
All the inventory work is supposed TO BE DONE BY THE DSS.
Once again a P.O. is doing ALL that work.
So the bottom line is forget about the old Desk Sergeant duties.
Out of Grade should be demanded for lieutenant's pay for doing what the DSS SHOULD be doing now and D-3/lieutenant's pay should be demanded by all the officer's doing HIS WORK for more than 3 hours a tour.
As a sergeant I hope that someone will bring this up at the FOP Meeting Tuesday so P.O.s should get what they deserve.
P.S.: Fuck Rahm
To I Fart in Your General Direction, 3:30 posting and anyone else always complaining about the desk work in 011. Give it up.
Fact, the only thing the "guy in 011 does" is approving inventories and bonds. There is another officer who does all the court paper work. the "guy in 011" does not even look at paper, he points to the other officer to give it to. The other officers do all the reports and answer the phones. These task are below him. The other officers also release inventories to people. The DSS approves all arrest reports, the "guy in 011" does none of them.
So since the change in the system the "guy in 011" only approves inventories and writes bonds.
Should the guy releasing inventories get sgts pay because thats now their duty?
Stop with the amount of inventories in 011 is so great so he should get the pay. The amount of calls and bullshit po's deal with who work the streets in 011/015/007 are greater so should they get sgts pay?
The "guy in 011" is also on the desk by bid. If he does not like it he could go back to the street and stop doing "all the work a desk sgt's did"
Fact is that the "guy in 011" studies for the sgt test (good for him) and approves inventories and write bonds" The other two or three people at the desk do the majority of the work.
Oh, and this is the same guy who toots Shields horn all the time and ran on his ticket. Hows that whole situation working out? He still will not admit that he fucked up.
I hear everyone saying Shields is incompetent and stupid. I personally think he filed those papers late and is destroying the FOP on purpose. I think he is already compensated. What FOP needs to do is make the monthly newsletter out of softer paper so it can be used to wipe ones ass, because in it's present form its nothing more than a bitch-fest rag.
While the elimination of several positions is admirable, the person who is proposing this issue is doing it to distract from the fact that he is about to be disciplined by the pension beard for not being truthful with his disability claim....not to mention he has a full time job as a tenured professor at Calumet which he will not leave.
Anonymous said...
suprisingly our president mike shields will not be there. He is at a national lodge convention in seattle. yep, perfect timing mike to get outta town.. hey, you know who else was famous for perfectly timed trips... daley and rahm. shields, enjoy your conventions because your days of being back in a beat car are closer than you think
9/16/2013 01:27:00 AM
Your a real asshat dummy, shields fathers funeral is today, check your facts moron!
Wow Geiger is busy on the blog. You should have worked this hard on the grievance, maye we could have won.
I heard the guy from 005 used in he arbitration grieved a four day suspension where he let a prisoner go while an acting desk Sgt. His argument was he was never trained to be an acting desk Sgt. there for he can't be held responsible as an acting desk Sgt. Bad lawyering or just things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm.
Anonymous said...
SCC
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
9/16/2013 01:51:00 AM
Remember boys and girls, only the ILCS determines criminal activity, not GMack and rahm.
Anonymous said...
Lets not forget that it is the taxpayers that have to pay for all these special union benefits and perks.
9/16/2013 01:38:00 AM
Oh yeah, how is that, exactly?
Here's how it was explained. Prior to the elimination of the desk Sgt spot a PO would fill in as the desk Sgt when an actual Sgt wasn't available. Therefore doing the duties of a desk Sgt was not beyond the scope of a POs duty. However a Sgt never filled in for a Lt as watch commander when a Lt wasn't available. Therefore it was beyond the scope of a Sgts duties to be a watch commander. That's why the Sgts won and the POs didn't.
Here is the wording right from the announcement of the arbitrator's decision:
Arbitrator Feuille issued his award late last night.
The arbitrator ruled in favor of the City.
The Lodge believes there are several defects in his decision. Perhaps the most glaring error is the fact that, even after both sides agreed that this was a representative case, he ruled that it was not a representative case and that this grievance stood on its own.
The Lodge believes and the City has testified that the only way a past practice can be eliminated is by one of two processes. The parties may agree to eliminate the past practice. One party may put the other on notice that it intends to eliminate the past practice and then negotiations must take place. Neither of these occurred and yet, the arbitrator took the unusual position that a thirty-year past practice could effectively be wiped out by the mere issuance of an order that eliminated the Acting Desk Sergeant position.
What does all this mean? Since the arbitrator ruled that this case was not representative of the remaining Acting Desk Sergeant grievances, the Lodge will be able to submit another Acting Desk Sergeant grievance to different arbitrator. Perhaps the Lodge and City can once again agree on a representative case that will result in a decision that will apply to all grievances that have been submitted thus far.
Any bid Desk Officer who is the most senior bid Desk Officer and fills the role of an Acting Desk Sergeant should continue to file a grievance each day he is denied out of grade pay.
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I don't know of this arbitrator and can't recall any decisions he has made. It seems he bought the City's argument that since the City eliminated the position of Desk Sergeant there can be no out of grade grievance since that position does not exist any more.
Therefore, to cover all bases, it seems the prudent thing to do is to change the wording on the grievance to read " District Station Supervisor, formerly the Desk Sergeant and perform substantially the same work and duties as the former Desk Sergeant." or similar wording. I would include the DSS wording in there and keep filing grievances every day you as a PO are doing the duties of a Desk Sergeant/DSS.
The City changes the name, the work and duties remain the same.
Shields needs to step down. Any of the other board members that knew about the letter submission deadline but let it happen just to bring down and embarrass Shields should be booted too because they cost all of us big money.
Pensions Pensions Pensions. Enough of our Illinois government kicking the can down the road. The end of the road is regretfully here. No more kicking. All those incompetent and corrupt politicians needs to get fired and/or go to jail.
What I want to know in the year of 2013 with everything being electronic PDFs/websites, emails and paperless arrest reports and no more Daily Bulletins why does the FOP still send out monthly news letters? I have the entire thing read before it comes. What a waste of paper and postage. WTF does not have a smart phone nowadays? We all can access FOP through the computers at work and at home. Complete waste of money. Rumor has it someone at FOP has a relative in the printing biz. Kind of a no brainer stopping monthly new letters if you ask me.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets not forget that it is the taxpayers that have to pay for all these special union benefits and perks.
9/16/2013 01:38:00 AM
You meant 'our union dues', right?
We need a real union representing us. Not a fraternal organization. The FOP can still plan picnics and trips to Santa's Village, but a real union needs to negotiate for us.
Here's a novel idea if you don't like doing the desk work because its to hard go back to a beat car and let someone else bid for that spot.
better get some straight up answers about Pension guarantees, otherwise at the end of the Trail, we will ALL be Fleeced for sure, while the Politicians , Gold Braids, and connected still get their full benefits.
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble.
1.38am......and we appreciate it and you should sldo, you get a good bang for your buck.
If you don't like it, move out to the suburbs and see what the taxes and fees look like.
The City is a bargain in that respect.
How about a grievance for the PREPLANNED OVERTIME (12 hour shifts 60 hour weeks on foot) given to PPOs instead of given to NON-PROBATIONARY OFFICERS according to SENIORITY.
God Bless those at the Washington Navy Yard Shooting Scene.
Like everyone else on a Federal Installation all personnel are DISARMED by decree of Bill Clinton and could not defend themselves.
I once visited the aircraft carrier Franklin D. Roosevelt in port at Newport News, Virginia (AWSOME!). There was a CPO on duty on the dock with a pistol belt and Berretta 92SF. There was NO MAGAZINE in his weapon.
Dougherty and Shields have to go, that whole executive staff...why is Saul up there... Those guys have just as much blame as Shields. They ALL let us down,but don't be fooled by the retired guy that has been on disability that wants to lead the FOP.
I worked on the desk (as a bid spot) for a few years and once they eliminated the Desk Sgt. position I knew it was a lost cause to try and grieve it. Like others said, they eliminated the spot so how do you collect on something that doesn't exist anymore? So, during a casual conversation with the DSS, I ask, "So now that we are no longer getting paid to do a Sgts job and you are supposed to be doing it, can I refuse to do it?" I was told flat out, "NO" and was told that if he's not getting paid to be a watch commander anymore and he can't refuse than neither can I. These friggin' bosses want to be "the boss" yet when the rules change and they have more responsibilities they expect everyone to acclimate to the changes except for them. They use the excuse of "delegating" their work and authority to everyone else and some how get away with it. HOW CAN YOU DELEGATE 90% OF YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION TO EVERYONE ELSE???????????????
So to all of you desk people, if you lose the grievence on the Sgts out of grade pay I would call the union and find out if your LT orders you to do DSS work, per Special order (S03-03-03), if you will be getting Lts pay to do it??? If not, find out if you can refuse to do the work the DSS is getting paid BIG bucks to do like, scheduling, A&As, keeping track of the money in the safe, make sure the stuff in the safe balances out, checking and transmitting the traffic accidents and much more. Read Special order (S03-03-03)
C'mon DSS...If you can say that everyone else can do your job for you, then why do we need you....might as well just send the DSS out on the street to patrol the BOXES! If they were smart, they would do the work themselves, it's called job security.
Believe me, they will use those orders to hurt you, so you might as well use them to try and protect yourself.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
To the anonymous gnetlrman who stated that getting rid of the 3rd VP and Financial Secretary will save $1000000. How? In the constitution and by-laws they get what the trustees get. Only the people in the front office get the BIG money. And the only positions that are guaranteed a spot inside. The President of the union and the 1st VP. Everyone else gets there at the behest of the President with the consent of the Board.
SCC
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
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You sir/madaam/trans are a traitor. CPD is doing the Lords work. Petty arrests allow for a community to thrive rather than be overwhelmed by Socialist-Democratic Progressives that like to take other peoples money under gunpoint.
America
screw the desk sgt position you get to sit there all and you get early ducks. i work a beat car and im very busy because im a worker, it is clout position anyway reserved for the dollies. make a civilian position with requirement that it be filled by a retired cpd officer ,let that person make some money other than that dont act like a cry baby
ps great work by the dc metro police true heroes
Where is the FOP Hall?
Do I have to go? I'm busy. I gotta part time job. I gotta family.
It's easier for me to bitch on the blog, rather than do something myself.
I work mids and FLOP SHOULD BE OUR ADVOCATE NOT OUR ENEMY
Mike was asked many times before it came out in the paper if he failed to get the letter in and his response was it was a bad rumor and bullshit. Mike lied and finally a year later the Mayor brought it up and it was in the paper. Mikey lied for a good year to everyone then it come out by non other the The Rahmfather. Those are facts.
I personally wonder and this is just my opinion, if Mikey did this on purpose for a future spot because there is no way he is that incompetent to fail to get this major letter in on time. It seems really strange. We shall know once Mikey fails to get reelected and see where he goes if this was done on purpose.
I heard Mikey won't be there. Shame
So Mike didn't send the letter. It's a fact, we all know it. My question is, why didnt someone else send the letter, when they knew it was due, and it was known mike hadn't sent it? Does the president have to send it? I couldn't find any provisions in the contract that say this to be true. Was this done on purpose to sink the ship? I say everyone sitting on the board is equally guilty of ignorance and ineptitude.
Anonymous said...
Here's how it was explained. Prior to the elimination of the desk Sgt spot a PO would fill in as the desk Sgt when an actual Sgt wasn't available. Therefore doing the duties of a desk Sgt was not beyond the scope of a POs duty. However a Sgt never filled in for a Lt as watch commander when a Lt wasn't available. Therefore it was beyond the scope of a Sgts duties to be a watch commander. That's why the Sgts won and the POs didn't.
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The Sergeants functioned as "Watch Commanders" in the Detective Division for years and served as "Commanding Officers" in some secret squirrel units. What say you now?
To the desk officers who don't want to do desk duties, simple, work the street. But that won't happen cause they want their 1-2 hr duck, on either end so beef and moan but the hrs are pretty good aren't they?
"Going to one of the circus FOP meetings wont do anything. I pay them to do a job. I shouldn't have to babysit FOP at the same time. The have their little foot soldiers that go to the meetings. How come information isn't relayed back and forth that way? FOP always has and will always be a crock of shit.
9/16/2013 09:01:00 AM"
The only crock of shit is your copout lame ass excuse for not attending a meeting. I know can't get away from that 12buck an hour rent a badge gig. GFY Asshat
Blue shirts we need to unite against Shields and Company. He cost you and your families money. Let us not forget he is making 130k a year off of us. Get rid of him. Lets not reward incompetency and malice. Mike Shields does not have our interests at heart.
What I want to know in the year of 2013 with everything being electronic PDFs/websites, emails and paperless arrest reports and no more Daily Bulletins why does the FOP still send out monthly news letters? I have the entire thing read before it comes. What a waste of paper and postage. WTF does not have a smart phone nowadays? We all can access FOP through the computers at work and at home. Complete waste of money. Rumor has it someone at FOP has a relative in the printing biz. Kind of a no brainer stopping monthly new letters if you ask me.
9/16/2013 11:32:00 AM
Some of us like having it in our hand. Maybe an opt-out would make both of us happy. You can read the tiny little screen of your smart phone and I can read an actual newsletter in my hands.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble.
9/16/2013 12:30:00 PM
Missy! You're back!
no one going to come to meeting.
Anonymous said...
It's pretty simple really....You can't act up to a position that doesn't exist. The desk sergeant position was eliminated and therefore you cannot be an acting desk sergeant anymore. This is also the situation for Lieutenants. They can't get paid for acting Captain because the Captain is no longer the watch commander. The desk sergeant was never part of the FOP contract because the FOP doesn't represent Sergeants. For this reason, the FOP didn't lose or give up anything. There is nothing they can do about a position they never represented in the first place.
9/16/2013 12:26:00 AM
Makes perfect sense.
Only, you're dead wrong.
Guess you didn't hear the Sergeant's just won their grievance for this exact situation.
Better luck next time.
Thanks for playing.
Anonymous said...
Lets not forget that it is the taxpayers that have to pay for all these special union benefits and perks.
9/16/2013 01:38:00 AM
eh, it comes from OUR money, not every OTHER taxpayer out there.
So shove your fucking anti union shit back up your ass where it came from loser.
How many people on FOP Board of Directors? How much are they paid? What duties do they have? Total yearly cost for Board of Directors?
Anonymous said...
Do I have to go? I'm busy. I gotta part time job. I gotta family.
It's easier for me to bitch on the blog, rather than do something myself.
Going to one of the circus FOP meetings wont do anything. I pay them to do a job. I shouldn't have to babysit FOP at the same time. The have their little foot soldiers that go to the meetings. How come information isn't relayed back and forth that way? FOP always has and will always be a crock of shit.
9/16/2013 09:01:00 AM
As a incentive, they are offering free hair gel to the first 200 that attend the meeting
"Suddenly answers are important. Why weren't they important when the sergeants tried to fuck everybody under the sun, including retirees?"
You are an ignorant asshole. The President of the Sergeants Ass. tried to fuck over his own members. The members, the same sergeants you're blaming for trying to fuck everybody over, shot down that President's efforts by an overwhelming disapproval vote on that contract of over 90%.
CPD and FOP are both Top Heavy ,
big money to do little if any work .
A lot of cpd command staff couldn't write a traffic crash report or a field contact card .
Useless political hacks , that can't make sgt. without a merit promotion .
End the Gold Braid nonsense pension Now.
Ballerina has extra money for a new school for the welfare rats.
I suspect that he purposely "forgot" to send the letter. In exchange for future promises of wealth from Rahmulous. It was a self serving gift just like the cuff links. You can bet on it.
Here's an idea , get rid of beat sgt. and have a corporal run district patrol . Assign sgts to areas to supervise corporals from 2 or more districts . Lt rank is a waste of tax payer money . Sgts and patrolman always did work of the phony wc's.
To address some of the braintrusts regarding the grievance:
The major duty of any supervisor on the CPD is to oversee and approve the work of their underlings. This exact duty is plainly evident by the fact that official reports filed by 9161 grade PO's require that a SERGEANT review AND APPROVE/ATTEST to the work that his underling has done. That is part of the point of supervision, to attest to and be accountable for, the work of an officer under their supervision.
For a 9161 PO to be told to ATTEST TO AND APPROVE the work done by another 9161 PO of the same rank circumvents the purpose of supervision and the responsibility that is required of a SUPERVISOR OF HIGHER RANK.
To attempt to claim that it's acceptable to eliminate the supervisory duty to supervise, attest to and be accountable for the work of another officer of the same rank puts a liability for that supervision, attestation and accountability upon another officer of equal rank where it does not exist for the original officer.
The duties defined for inventory control, bonding and any other duty which requires the supervision of a higher rank to attest to and accept accountability for the work of another officer demands that work be done by an officer of higher supervisory rank.
It's what the term "supervision" means. And a PO is NOT a supervisor. Which is why IF a PO was forced to take on this SUPERVISORY responsibility, they were PAID OUT OF GRADE AT THE RATE OF PAY OF A SUPERVISOR FOR PERFORMING THE SUPERVISION, ATTESTATION AND ACCOUNABILITY FOR THE WORK OF AN OFFICER OF EQUAL RANK.
To use the logic of some idiots around here, if the city can get away with this bullshit, then they can get away with removing ALL rank from within the CPD and force ANY 9161 PO to do anything they want without paying that officer for those duties that are required to be done by an officer of higher rank.
So to that end, there will no longer be sergeants, lieutenants, captains, commanders, deputy chiefs, chiefs or a superintendent.
The city claims it can order any officer to perform any task including the supervision of another officer. And this arbitration decision proves that point.
Anonymous said...
I worked on the desk (as a bid spot) for a few years and once they eliminated the Desk Sgt. position I knew it was a lost cause to try and grieve it. Like others said, they eliminated the spot so how do you collect on something that doesn't exist anymore?
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The union files a grievance, and then a lawsuit outlining how the city has subverted supervisory authority onto officers of equal rank without the lawful compensation required to supervise another officer on this department, that's how.
1.38am......and we appreciate it and you should sldo, you get a good bang for your buck.
If you don't like it, move out to the suburbs and see what the taxes and fees look like.
The City is a bargain in that respect.
9/16/2013 12:43:00 PM
Yeah a real bargain...hows that crack smoking working out for you.
Blogger Michael Spaargaren said...
What I want to know in the year of 2013 with everything being electronic PDFs/websites, emails and paperless arrest reports and no more Daily Bulletins why does the FOP still send out monthly news letters?
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Because I don't wipe my ass with my laptop.
I consider it a courtesy. Thanks FOP.
No one cares about the FEW bitches that work the desk and did work that SGT's used to do!! They eliminated the desk sgt position so why in the hell would u bitches get paid as sgts????? Your job description changed so deal with it or be a man and hit the streets! I wish our union would stop wasting lawyer fees on fighting this bullshit. If the few bitches who shuffle papers get screwed who cares anyways?? Exactly. No one.
Don't fall for dean angelo bull, its smoke n mirrors, still going to have those 6 spots upstairs look at the contract under 17.2, the president gets to pick his field reps........vote NO.
Nominate Karen Lewis for the job.
..and if you can't get Karen Lewis ask her for a recommendation.
Anonymous said...
While the elimination of several positions is admirable, the person who is proposing this issue is doing it to distract from the fact that he is about to be disciplined by the pension beard for not being truthful with his disability claim....not to mention he has a full time job as a tenured professor at Calumet which he will not leave.
9/16/2013 10:14:00 AM
And Thus the Lies Start about DA........
To I Fart in Your General Direction, 3:30 posting and anyone else always complaining about the desk work in 011. Give it up.
Fact, the only thing the "guy in 011 does" is approving inventories and bonds. There is another officer who does all the court paper work. the "guy in 011" does not even look at paper, he points to the other officer to give it to. The other officers do all the reports and answer the phones. These task are below him. The other officers also release inventories to people. The DSS approves all arrest reports, the "guy in 011" does none of them.
So since the change in the system the "guy in 011" only approves inventories and writes bonds.
Should the guy releasing inventories get sgts pay because thats now their duty?
Stop with the amount of inventories in 011 is so great so he should get the pay. The amount of calls and bullshit po's deal with who work the streets in 011/015/007 are greater so should they get sgts pay?
The "guy in 011" is also on the desk by bid. If he does not like it he could go back to the street and stop doing "all the work a desk sgt's did"
Fact is that the "guy in 011" studies for the sgt test (good for him) and approves inventories and write bonds" The other two or three people at the desk do the majority of the work.
Oh, and this is the same guy who toots Shields horn all the time and ran on his ticket. Hows that whole situation working out? He still will not admit that he fucked up.
9/16/2013 10:02:00 AM
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have more important things to worry about than these paper shuffling bitches!!!
Oh wait!!!
Get that guy out of the joynt from the Black Gangster Disciples to head the FOP -- he seems to have a lot of political pull in the city...amIright?
100,000 gang members is a lot of votes in this town too so they can lobby for you just like the corporations have their lobbies.
/SARCASM ?
OT-kind of:
Does anyone know what a day's rate of pay would be if you have over 25 but less than 30 OTJ?
My mathophobe brain is too chicken to attempt to figure it out, and I'd not be confident whatever answer I do arrive at.
Thanks anyone!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where is the FOP Hall?
Do I have to go? I'm busy. I gotta part time job. I gotta family.
It's easier for me to bitch on the blog, rather than do something myself.
9/16/2013 12:10:00 AM
That is priceless.
9/16/2013 12:37:00 AM
I got no Love for Shields...But..
How much help was the Outgoing leadership for the new blood to teach them how to Not step on their Dick?
Tough work being the new Union Local Pres during a contract negotiation when you can't count on support from the outgoing butthurt loosing side due to plain old Spite.
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
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You sir/madaam/trans are a traitor. CPD is doing the Lords work. Petty arrests allow for a community to thrive rather than be overwhelmed by Socialist-Democratic Progressives that like to take other peoples money under gunpoin
Define petty arrests? If your urinating then you are breaking the law. Petty? yes, but the law still. DOPW. Is it petty? again yes, however too bad.. if your drinking on the public way then you can go to jail or get an anov. two bags of weed? yes, you can get an anov but you can also go to jail. How exactly do you "trump up the paperwork and charges"???? a pisser is a pisser and a drinker a drinker. please, stop trying to scare people to not do work because you stopped doing work. You know how it goes, misery loves company and you hate it that people go out and do anything wheather its getting a gun, a one bag rock arrest, a reckless conduct a drinker or pisser you hate that people still do things you USE to do(maybe) and you are just a useless do nothing dog who has lost all courage to do anything anymore. You sit in you car and worry about cr numbers and lawsuits. Have you been sued???? if so what did you do to worry about it so much? You must have put a case on someone because you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong. I guess you must not know how to do things correctly and follow the law and general order and write paper that articulates the law and reason for the arrest. Stop being so scared of lawsuits. If you have your ducks in a row you are fine. You dont need to lie and you dont need to trump up anything. If you have to lock someone up for pissing then so be it.. its the law and the good people of the neighborhood on your beat would appreciate it. You dont have to drive around miserable and cranky all day long thinking everyone on your beat is a criminal and "dirty" because they are not. Englewood, chatham, austin etc has great people living on each block. it has tons of bad guys around but there are good hard working people out there too. thats who we work for thats who we lock people up for. fk the gang bangers and scumbags who cause them grief. thats what YOU should be doing... but instead you bitch about everything, think your gonna get indicted even though youve never really been jammed up and dodge work. you get paid, earn it and do your job. Just because we are cops doesnt mean we are owed anything from anyone. I think you and way too many people buy into the "hero" routine way too much. You think you are "heros" because your the police so you get a pass and break on anything from food, coffee, parking, all laws, having to work etc. please, you know what you signed up for. You knew this job was all politics but you did it anyway and bitch about it. You are exactly what is wrong with this department... mutt.
Remember my young friends, Dean Angelo Sr. was thrown out of his FOP spot in 2002. He didn't go back to a beat car, he went on duty disability. He wasn't to disabled to work in the FOP office collecting Captains pay. Dean the dream has not been in a squad car since 1998. Choose wisely my friends.
Shields messed up, period. But he alone can not be held accountable. Everyone else is to blame also. You mean to tell me that none of the vice presidents or Secretary' s knew that letter was due by deadline, this iwas not their first contract. They all knew and let it go unfilled to make shields look incompetent. But in proving there dislike for hum, they screwed all of us. The vp could have filed it on shields behalf.
a sgt or lt is the dss... the p.os working the old desk sgt spot who do almost the same duties are no longer performing a desk sgt job.. they are the bonding officer which is now a p.os job. districts fear change and still put a sgt as the bonding officer and a lt in the dss spot which is ok but its not the order. a po will be the bonding officer. therefore your all crying about nothing. there is no more desk sgt and no more acting desk sgt so stop crying. your a bonding officer. nobody cares if its the same duties, they took the sgt out of the equation and made it a job for a p.o so there you go. grievence denied. not taking the other side but whats truth is truth.. the city actually played it slick and found a way around it. well played, well played. if you bond officers dont like all that work your doing inside not working a beat car then I will take your spot in a second. I will write reports and accident reports at the desk all day long. I dont need to complain like most out there. I will do report after report for my whole shift. I dont care if im the only guy out there. The more reports the quicker my day goes. I dont need to sit at the desk and play candy crush or look at facebook all day like most of our desk personel. its laziness. they complain about how busy the desk is and there are only two p.os on the desk etc. stfu dog. your inside, your warm. You take info and type it in the report. You answer phones and go at your own pace... its that easy. If the line is out the door then it is. You will get to them eventually. But the dogs wanna walk around and socialize, surf the web and read the paper then get mad if the relief isnt there a half hour early so you can leave. I love when insiders complain and think they have a valid beef.. it just brightens my whole day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble.
9/16/2013 12:30:00 PM
Watch for sales on white shirts too.
Michael Spaargaren said...
What I want to know in the year of 2013 with everything being electronic PDFs/websites, emails and paperless arrest reports and no more Daily Bulletins why does the FOP still send out monthly news letters? I have the entire thing read before it comes. What a waste of paper and postage. WTF does not have a smart phone nowadays? We all can access FOP through the computers at work and at home. Complete waste of money. Rumor has it someone at FOP has a relative in the printing biz. Kind of a no brainer stopping monthly new letters if you ask me.
9/16/2013 11:32:00 AM
I guarantee you that the instant the FOP stops sending out that newsletter there will be a non-computer using member who will curse out the FOP for not sending him his newsletter. There will be the usual vitriolic post saying "fucking FOP, do nothing FOP, goddamn FOP blah blah, they don't send me my newsletter but they eat steak and fart through silk, fuckin FOP."
Plus the retirees, many use computers but some do not. People should be able to opt out of the paper version online to save the money. But then they will have to hire a person to manage the mail list and sure enough someone will curse the FOP for something.
"It's fuckin rainin' outside and the FOP ain't doing nuttin' 'bout it, fuckin' FOP!"
Bill Daley not running for governor. What's up his sleeve?
Will Mikey be there? He buried his dad today. He should be there tomorrow. I don't give a shit about a National FOP meeting....that's what Skype is for.
Grow the balls you say you have Mikey and be man enough to show up there.
Will it still be at FOP Hall? Or moved to a larger venue like Plumber's or some other trade union hall. This meeting with be SRO and then some. I hear the United Center is not having anything tomorrow--I'm serious about that.....going to need to parking for all the pissed off coppers.
OT: Breaking News
Bill Daley drops bid for Illinois governor
By Rick Pearson
Tribune reporter
7:00 p.m. CDT, September 16, 2013
Bill Daley abruptly ended his bid for the Democratic nomination for governor today, telling the Tribune that a lifetime in politics had not prepared him for the “enormity” of his first run for office and the challenge of leading the state through difficult times.
Daley, a member of two White House administrations, a presidential campaign manager and the son and brother of two former Chicago mayors, dropped out of the race less than four months after declaring his political resume gave him the best credentials to replace Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn.
“One of the things I always thought in my career that I wanted to do, I thought I would be able to have that opportunity, I hoped, would be to run for office. And even though you’re around it for a long time, you really don’t get a sense of the enormity of it until you get into it,” Daley told the Tribune.
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Good riddance asshole.
Dead father or not, he better be there.
As Leo, the gangster character in "Thief" said to Frank (the title character): "You have responsibilites, get back to work"
Yes, I'm cold....I admit it. This is probably the most important monthly FOP membership meeting since the FOP first became the baragaining agent--Mike needs to be there.
I once had a W/C deny me extra time due usage when my dad died and I wanted some extra time due usage tacked onto the three days. He said I couldn't be spared, even though every car was up and manned for the next week. Mike really can't be spared from the meeting.
Mikey is famous for challenging people who disagree with him to "take it outside"
ya right like when Herbert was going to kick his ass.........what did he do.. call the police what a sally
Anonymous said...
Dougherty and Shields have to go, that whole executive staff...why is Saul up there... Those guys have just as much blame as Shields. They ALL let us down,but don't be fooled by the retired guy that has been on disability that wants to lead the FOP.
9/16/2013 01:31:00 PM
Wise person! You know what I know! The snake on the pension board is gunning for FOP president. People watch your backs!
It seems like every subject has a post about hair gel. Makes me wonder how many angry bald guys there are now-a-days.
SCC
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
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You sir/madaam/trans are a traitor. CPD is doing the Lords work. Petty arrests allow for a community to thrive rather than be overwhelmed by Socialist-Democratic Progressives that like to take other peoples money under gunpoint.
Can someone please take the Internet away from Maria Pena the 010th dist commander, she sounds redciulous here. Wait she is redciulous, continue on. Business as usual.
I am really losing faith in our union.
To 9/16/2013 06:59:00 AM
The Sergeants overwhelmingly rejected that, remember?
To I Fart in Your General Direction, 3:30 posting and anyone else always complaining about the desk work in 011. Give it up.
Fact, the only thing the "guy in 011 does" is approving inventories and bonds. There is another officer who does all the court paper work. the "guy in 011" does not even look at paper, he points to the other officer to give it to. The other officers do all the reports and answer the phones. These task are below him. The other officers also release inventories to people. The DSS approves all arrest reports, the "guy in 011" does none of them.
So since the change in the system the "guy in 011" only approves inventories and writes bonds.
Should the guy releasing inventories get sgts pay because thats now their duty?
Stop with the amount of inventories in 011 is so great so he should get the pay. The amount of calls and bullshit po's deal with who work the streets in 011/015/007 are greater so should they get sgts pay?
The "guy in 011" is also on the desk by bid. If he does not like it he could go back to the street and stop doing "all the work a desk sgt's did"
Fact is that the "guy in 011" studies for the sgt test (good for him) and approves inventories and write bonds" The other two or three people at the desk do the majority of the work.
Oh, and this is the same guy who toots Shields horn all the time and ran on his ticket. Hows that whole situation working out? He still will not admit that he fucked up.
It literally take 3 min to do an inventory. He stops doing inventorys an hour before he leaves so he can play on his phone! Give me a break you sit on your ass and press a button to print paper out. Life is not that hard. Do the inventories you little desk bitch and shut your mouth. Oh yeah and he is his biggiest fan of his stupid numbers sox pool! Expects a big tip for all the winners
11:41--Teamsters
As long as we are talking about trustees and accountabilities what about our pension trustees? Did we heard anything about Daley not putting in the city money all these years? Who dropped the ball? Daley the rat or trustees the rats?
Don't blame me... I voted for Cooter.
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
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You sir/madaam/trans are a traitor. CPD is doing the Lords work. Petty arrests allow for a community to thrive rather than be overwhelmed by Socialist-Democratic Progressives that like to take other peoples money under gunpoin
Define petty arrests? If your urinating then you are breaking the law. Petty? yes, but the law still. DOPW. Is it petty? again yes, however too bad.. if your drinking on the public way then you can go to jail or get an anov. two bags of weed? yes, you can get an anov but you can also go to jail. How exactly do you "trump up the paperwork and charges"???? a pisser is a pisser and a drinker a drinker. please, stop trying to scare people to not do work because you stopped doing work. You know how it goes, misery loves company and you hate it that people go out and do anything wheather its getting a gun, a one bag rock arrest, a reckless conduct a drinker or pisser you hate that people still do things you USE to do(maybe) and you are just a useless do nothing dog who has lost all courage to do anything anymore. You sit in you car and worry about cr numbers and lawsuits. Have you been sued???? if so what did you do to worry about it so much? You must have put a case on someone because you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong. I guess you must not know how to do things correctly and follow the law and general order and write paper that articulates the law and reason for the arrest. Stop being so scared of lawsuits. If you have your ducks in a row you are fine. You dont need to lie and you dont need to trump up anything. If you have to lock someone up for pissing then so be it.. its the law and the good people of the neighborhood on your beat would appreciate it. You dont have to drive around miserable and cranky all day long thinking everyone on your beat is a criminal and "dirty" because they are not. Englewood, chatham, austin etc has great people living on each block. it has tons of bad guys around but there are good hard working people out there too. thats who we work for thats who we lock people up for. fk the gang bangers and scumbags who cause them grief. thats what YOU should be doing... but instead you bitch about everything, think your gonna get indicted even though youve never really been jammed up and dodge work. you get paid, earn it and do your job. Just because we are cops doesnt mean we are owed anything from anyone. I think you and way too many people buy into the "hero" routine way too much. You think you are "heros" because your the police so you get a pass and break on anything from food, coffee, parking, all laws, having to work etc. please, you know what you signed up for. You knew this job was all politics but you did it anyway and bitch about it. You are exactly what is wrong with this department... mutt.
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I agree with you 100 percent... But man, who pissed in your Cheerios????
Anyone hear anymore about the FBI party being held at hall on 03 October. What a slap in the face for members. Ole Mikey didn't even charge them to rent the hall, just gave it away. How many police groups get charged to rent the hall and how many are just denied? Kid needs to go.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble.
9/16/2013 12:30:00 PM
Watch for sales on white shirts too.
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I already bought my white shirts. I have a positive attitude.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's an idea , get rid of beat sgt. and have a corporal run district patrol . Assign sgts to areas to supervise corporals from 2 or more districts . Lt rank is a waste of tax payer money . Sgts and patrolman always did work of the phony wc's.
9/16/2013 05:17:00 PM
this aint norridge you asshole
when the arbitrator tells me that I don't get retro, then I will be upset. till then I wouldn't worry much.
we can all lineup get on the blog and bitch how our president fucked up and we hate him. how bout we tell rahm, no retro, no tickets or activity for a year. no that would mean we'd have to stick together.. why do that????
screw the desk sgt position you get to sit there all and you get early ducks. i work a beat car and im very busy because im a worker, it is clout position anyway reserved for the dollies. make a civilian position with requirement that it be filled by a retired cpd officer ,let that person make some money other than that dont act like a cry baby
Yah Yah early ducks, quack! - You hard charger,you. Sgt. never held a slip for your sanctimonious ass?
Clout position, Ok, sure, Can you say BID SPOT?
When you take 20+ years of past practice and toss it out the window, you'd be kind of pissed too
You're very busy. I understand. It's one job at a time, like the dispatcher gives them to you. So there are a couple STKDSP jobs on your PDT; big deal.
How'd you like to approve inventories, arrest reports, answer 4 ringing phones do tomorrow's worksheets & A+A's, and take a report at the same time? Just wondering, not bitching, cause yes, I know I BID for it.
Just telling it like it is. There is room for everyone on this department.
HEY FLOP!!! SINCE THESE GUYS LOST THEIR GRIEVANCE, YOU SHOULD ASK FOR AT LEAST D2A PAY IN CONTRACT TALKS SINCE THEY DO MORE WORK THAN ANYONE IN THE BLDG!!
9/16/2013 03:30:00 AM
That's something I never thought of. Good Idea !
Dean Angelo? The same guy associated with bill Nolan and John Dineen? He was booted out of the election when city wide came in with Donahue. Why all of sudden does he wanna run?
Head of the undergrad program at cal. College. On disability? Work this job for straight p.o. Pay and I'll vote for you. If not than your just another scammer trying to soak up more $$ before "retiring" from your disability.
Can someone please take the Internet away from Maria Pena the 010th dist commander, she sounds redciulous here. Wait she is redciulous, continue on. Business as usual.
9/16/2013 08:28:00 PM
Your spelling is redciulous
Anonymous said...
I find this amusing, you guys think all this shit matters the president of FOP along with the supt. and any other petty figurehead have no real power the same politicians and behind the scenes billionaires who are mostly democratic, run this city and now the White House. We will win the battles they allow us to win. I have never voted for any election or special votes because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Even if you got everything you wanted on this contract, they will get it back thru a tax, water bill etc... Invest your money wisely, and please don't tell me I have no rgt to complain because I don't vote. I am not complaining I am happy with my job I knew going in the city was corrupt and the job was a joke. If you take advantage of the benefits of this city and invest wisely you should be easily set up and won't have to rely on anyone. All you need to do here is help you fellow officers and the real victims then use this job to your advantage
Sad but true.
President and 3 Vice Presidents all making serious cash flow and not one of them can walk across washington street and drop a letter in a fucking mailbox. Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. I'll be there to help trim the fat. 1 vice president is all we need.
@ 08:06:00 PM
I call bullshit. You just added that nonsense because you know all the hard talk about Mike Shields' father, and whatever personal plans the guy has for grieving with his family- are out of line.
If any W/C actually denied you time after you lost a loved one, you don't just "go back to work." A simple step up chain of command, if that really happened, and any commander would give you the 2 or 3 days.
This Rahm tactic worked like a charm, didn't it?
Nobody could keep up a united front for the duration of this artificially drawn out contract negotiation...
Correct, Mike f*cked up. The self-serving bunch of do-nothings from the previous union command, they f*cked up.
All of us running around trained by Daley to expect a retro check instead of an honest contract negotiation? That means we all f*cked up. We have no poker face. We all have a tell. Rahm sees it.
Sure, let's force a big, public ouster of our leadership. That's the perfect solution.
We could have stunned the public, the press, and the mayor's office by not falling for this grenade he threw and, like the teachers, stood by our president, if for no other reason than to show we wouldn't flinch. We'd rally together, we'd make noise about getting our families and friends to make noise, too, and vote out any mayor that wants to treat us and our union so disrespectfully.
That stupid letter doesn't undo the mayor's responsibility to keep his word about a fair contract. There was precedent with other unions missing the deadline but they weren't treated the way the mayor wants to treat us.
Daley did this on his way out, too, feeding us to the press with that nonsense about us turning down such a great offer.
Daley, and now Rahm, they play us like chumps and the public falls for it because we don't stand together.
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
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You sir/madaam/trans are a traitor. CPD is doing the Lords work. Petty arrests allow for a community to thrive rather than be overwhelmed by Socialist-Democratic Progressives that like to take other peoples money under gunpoin
Define petty arrests? If your urinating then you are breaking the law. Petty? yes, but the law still. DOPW. Is it petty? again yes, however too bad.. if your drinking on the public way then you can go to jail or get an anov. two bags of weed? yes, you can get an anov but you can also go to jail. How exactly do you "trump up the paperwork and charges"???? a pisser is a pisser and a drinker a drinker. please, stop trying to scare people to not do work because you stopped doing work. You know how it goes, misery loves company and you hate it that people go out and do anything wheather its getting a gun, a one bag rock arrest, a reckless conduct a drinker or pisser you hate that people still do things you USE to do(maybe) and you are just a useless do nothing dog who has lost all courage to do anything anymore. You sit in you car and worry about cr numbers and lawsuits. Have you been sued???? if so what did you do to worry about it so much? You must have put a case on someone because you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong. I guess you must not know how to do things correctly and follow the law and general order and write paper that articulates the law and reason for the arrest. Stop being so scared of lawsuits. If you have your ducks in a row you are fine. You dont need to lie and you dont need to trump up anything. If you have to lock someone up for pissing then so be it.. its the law and the good people of the neighborhood on your beat would appreciate it. You dont have to drive around miserable and cranky all day long thinking everyone on your beat is a criminal and "dirty" because they are not. Englewood, chatham, austin etc has great people living on each block. it has tons of bad guys around but there are good hard working people out there too. thats who we work for thats who we lock people up for. fk the gang bangers and scumbags who cause them grief. thats what YOU should be doing... but instead you bitch about everything, think your gonna get indicted even though youve never really been jammed up and dodge work. you get paid, earn it and do your job. Just because we are cops doesnt mean we are owed anything from anyone. I think you and way too many people buy into the "hero" routine way too much. You think you are "heros" because your the police so you get a pass and break on anything from food, coffee, parking, all laws, having to work etc. please, you know what you signed up for. You knew this job was all politics but you did it anyway and bitch about it. You are exactly what is wrong with this department... mutt.
Sure, but have you been sued, did everything perfectly legal, and still lose? It still is possible that you can be sued and a jury could not be in your favor. Nothing is guaranteed in a court of law. We never signed up for a department that doesn't have our back. We signed up because we enjoy this job and want to put bad guys in jail. If there are good citizens in bad neighborhoods then why would they put themselves at risk? I would never live where my family could be in danger more often than not.
To 9/16/2013 05:17:00 PM:
"beat sgt", really?
Anonymous said...
SCC
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
9/16/2013 01:51:00 AM
I don't see the problem. Before I was a cop I got one of these pimpy arrests put on me. The whole report was fabricated and my two charges went from stretching it to outright lies. CPD dropped both charges but not before time and money was spent, including explaining to my teacher I had to miss court for criminal charges so my grade wouldn't be lowered due to absences. I never forgot those jackasses and I keep that in the back of my head when I'm out there. We deal with tons of idiots every day but even some of them don't deserve to be locked up or charged for anything. They're guilty of being morons. If guys are out there putting weak arrests and sticking it to otherwise non-problematic citizens...why should I care that they get sued? Is there a shortage of actual offenders to arrest?!?
Anonymous said...
SCC
A Word to the Wise.....
There are some hungry (read scumbag) lawyers getting wind that CPD is arresting men, women, and children for petty charges and trumping up the paperwork as they feel is necessary. The city has no plans to back the involved officers, and the lawsuit may become class action. I hear there is surveilance video on a number of these B.S. arrests that back up their claims.
Work smart! It's not worth your house or your career.
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You sir/madaam/trans are a traitor. CPD is doing the Lords work. Petty arrests allow for a community to thrive rather than be overwhelmed by Socialist-Democratic Progressives that like to take other peoples money under gunpoint.
Can someone please take the Internet away from Maria Pena the 010th dist commander, she sounds redciulous here. Wait she is redciulous, continue on. Business as usual.
9/16/2013 08:28:00 PM
Did you miss the whole trumping up the paperwork comment? The comment was about petty arrests that should not have been effected, not legit petty offenses that resulted in an arrest.
The Teamsters couldn't do any worse. Clean house of all these self serving housecats. Let a real union step in and fight for us!!!
Anonymous said...
11:41--Teamsters
9/16/2013 09:09:00 PM
I'm presume you've never had the privilege of being Teamsters. Now if you stop being the police and become a UPS driver, you're golden. Until then...that is not the route you want to go. Signed a former Teamster and son of one. They do send you nifty newsletters that don't have the word police in them once!
Lets not forget that it is the taxpayers that have to pay for all these special union benefits and perks.
9/16/2013 01:38:00 AM
I am a taxpayer also.
Remember my young friends, Dean Angelo Sr. was thrown out of his FOP spot in 2002. He didn't go back to a beat car, he went on duty disability. He wasn't to disabled to work in the FOP office collecting Captains pay. Dean the dream has not been in a squad car since 1998. Choose wisely my friends
DEANs a Hack and related to Blago's former Driver
So after all the lies that Mike and his team spread about Greg Bella, you think Greg and his guys should have stuck around to show Mike and his team the ropes? Mike's team were a bunch of assholes when they were campaigning for the spot. They made a lot of stuff up and they were really shitty to Greg. Mike also acted like he knew everything. Remember, he was the college educated kid who came to roll calls in his suit. Why would he need help? He didn't play nice. Greg and the guys had no obligation to help. The members who got fooled by Mike voted and put Mike in office. They didn't want Greg so why should Greg stick around to help someone who knew everything? Don't spin this and now try to blame Greg and the outgoing team.
Anonymous said...No one cares about the FEW bitches that work the desk and did work that SGT's used to do!! They eliminated the desk sgt position so why in the hell would u bitches get paid as sgts????? Your job description changed so deal with it or be a man and hit the streets! I wish our union would stop wasting lawyer fees on fighting this bullshit. If the few bitches who shuffle papers get screwed who cares anyways?? Exactly. No one.9/16/2013 05:30:00 PM
Let's face it, working the desk is a break from the bs that a beat officer deals with on a daily basis. The hours are excellent (3rd watch specifically). They start @1330 and basically cut out by 2100. I'm no mathematician, but that equates to 7.5 hrs worked. And almost daily one of the desk crew takes a duck around 730 (usually whoever's Friday it is). That's a 6hr workday. In the busier districts the amount of reporting is substantial. They do a lot of reports. But it's still laid back. They eat better than any of the beat officers, because they often order food from places 2 or 3 districts away where the "good" spots are. And during their downtime they surf the Web, play with their phones, shoot the shit, and kick back. Overall not a bad gig. BUT the officer who is assigned to work as the "bond officer" doesn't have it so easy. The amount of responsibilities that they are held accountable for is by far much greater than any other PO working inside. The city in well thought out, sneaky, cold hearted fashion cleverly figured out changing or eliminating certain job titles would save them tons of cash. But the duties and responsibilities stayed almost exactly the same. It's complete and utter bullshit that a PO should be burdened with that much work and responsibility without being properly compensated for it. Those guys and gals are getting screwed every single day. An arbitrator needs to be specifically informed that the duties of the former desk Sergeant position have not changed one bit; only the title has changed. Obviously done so by the dept with sole purpose on saving the city money. And if the city refuses to pay those "bond officers" then they should take appropriate action. Now they cannot refuse to do the work or disobey direct orders; but they certainly can suddenly fall victim to amnesia, forgetting the proper ways of completing their tasks. Basically Fuck shit up on purpose, and see just how much confusion this would cause. The city doesn't give a Fuck about anyone. To the douchbag responsible for the above comment, go Fuck yourself. Please. The fact that you have such low regard for your fellow officers who by the way do 10 times more work than you or I, is just plain ignorant. I personally hope that those officers are compensated for their duties that should be completed by a supervisor. I have nothing to gain from that lawsuit. I have never worked as a bond officer; although I have worked the desk plenty of times and have personally witnessed just how much responsibilities those officers have. Shit just isn't fair, and they are getting screwed. God bless and stay safe. Even you, Douchbag...
9/16/2013 09:58:00 AM
The out of grade pay scale should be lieutenant / D-3 pay... As a sergeant I hope that someone will bring this up at the FOP Meeting...
If you're a sergeant, then how do you not know that a sergeant's pay grade is D3 and lieutenant's pay grade is D4?!?!
There has to be something done with these out of control salaries in the F.O.P.
LMAO....
Anonymous said...
While the elimination of several positions is admirable, the person who is proposing this issue is doing it to distract from the fact that he is about to be disciplined by the pension beard for not being truthful with his disability claim....not to mention he has a full time job as a tenured professor at Calumet which he will not leave.
9/16/2013 10:14:00 AM
Is that the range guy who was passing out flyers?
RE: whether to send out paper copies of the newsletter or not--why not let people choose? Every utility or credit card I have gives me the option to "go paperless" and view my bill online or to receive a bill in the mail. If you get it wirelessly you can still print it yourself.
Surely with all the computer whizzes up there they could figure out a way to do the same.
I agree it's a complete waste of money to send them in the mail.
You must have put a case on someone because you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong. I guess you must not know how to do things correctly and follow the law and general order and write paper that articulates the law and reason for the arrest. Stop being so scared of lawsuits. If you have your ducks in a row you are fine.
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Said they guy who's never been sued in federal court. Take a look at how much your sphincter shrinks once that happens, even though you 'HAD ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW."
And locking up some poor brain-dead pisser or drinker is appalling when there are so many better arrests out there. These people are homeless, penniless, and hopeless. Yet you keep locking them up over and over again just to get your numbers up.
You've got to be one of the biggest ASSHATS who has ever posted on here.
all of you idiots out there should ready your contract,article 4 management rights subsection I.) to establish,modify,combine or abolish job positions and classification. who you need to be upset with is the achitect of the grievance which i believe was the moron Rich aguilar.
How will Ag-u-liar explain how he lost another grievance? Or was he a Graham Crackers too busy plotting the coup to do their jobs. Who put Steve Robbins up to last year's by-law change. Why do these guys hate retirees so much? The shame is there are only about 90 people eligible to run for office and half of them are retirees. The old cut throat City-Wide team let this happen. Shields was wrong but Ag-u-liar and Graham screwed all of us over to get back control of their Union. Sorry I don't reward traitors.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble.
9/16/2013 12:30:00 PM
Watch for sales on white shirts too.
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I already bought my white shirts. I have a positive attitude.
9/16/2013 10:33:00 PM
Good for you. Go blow the mayor because one day soon your going to be the superintendant
"...If any W/C actually denied you time after you lost a loved one, you don't just "go back to work." A simple step up chain of command, if that really happened, and any commander would give you the 2 or 3 days. ..."
Bereavement Leave is a well defined benefit in both the G.O.s and the Contract and covers loss of close relatives such as father, mother, step-parents, children and so forth.
Bereavement Leave does not cover BFFs, cousins, drinking buddies and your dog no matter dear they were to you.
As a W/C (now retired) I never denied a legit request for Bereavement Leave, or time due for a funeral. Some officers asked many times for Bereavement Leave and I had to ask, "How many grandparents do you have?"
http://mail.aol.com/38041-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28035710&folder=NewMail&partId=1&saveAs=WallschlaegerBenefit-ds.jpg
Here is the flyer for the FBI benefit being held at FOP.
Here's an idea , get rid of beat sgt. and have a corporal run district patrol . Assign sgts to areas to supervise corporals from 2 or more districts . Lt rank is a waste of tax payer money . Sgts and patrolman always did work of the phony wc's.
9/16/2013 05:17:00 PM
So you would like to opportunity to make less money and have more responsibility. You are fucking brilliant. Guess what fuck wad? Your FTO stripes are not going to make you into a Corporal. Study and pass the Sgt test or start sucking if you want a raise.
I don't see the problem. Before I was a cop I got one of these pimpy arrests put on me. The whole report was fabricated and my two charges went from stretching it to outright lies. CPD dropped both charges but not before time and money was spent, including explaining to my teacher I had to miss court for criminal charges so my grade wouldn't be lowered due to absences. I never forgot those jackasses and I keep that in the back of my head when I'm out there. We deal with tons of idiots every day but even some of them don't deserve to be locked up or charged for anything. They're guilty of being morons. If guys are out there putting weak arrests and sticking it to otherwise non-problematic citizens...why should I care that they get sued? Is there a shortage of actual offenders to arrest?!?
9/17/2013 01:51:00 AM
CPD dropped the charges huh???? Yeah okay guy. If you are currently a police officer then you should quit because you are a fucking moron and probably deserved to get locked up in the first place.
To: CPD is doing the Lords work...
I get that, but the Lord never lied on any of his paperwork...
I believe the author wasnt bashing routine police work, but referring to Outright fabrications that do not reflect the video footage. ie...reckless conduct etc...
Also....I hope the FOP meeting went well, I was working and havent heard word one...
How'd you like to approve inventories, arrest reports, answer 4 ringing phones do tomorrow's worksheets & A+A's, and take a report at the same time? Just wondering, not bitching, cause yes, I know I BID for it.
Just telling it like it is. There is room for everyone on this department.
Don't bid next time if its that hard
9:09.
Teamsterslocal700.com
Lots of law enforcement and police in there
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Blue shirts we need to unite against Shields and Company. He cost you and your families money. Let us not forget he is making 130k a year off of us. Get rid of him. Lets not reward incompetency and malice. Mike Shields does not have our interests at heart.
9/16/2013 04:12:00 PM
I agree. How does Shields justify his existence to make that money? He doesn't so let's too eliminate him and anyone with ties and knowledge of that letter deadline. It is inexcusable and proof they don't have our best interests at heart.
An old retired guy just asking a question;
Has anyone sued the FOP concerning the denial of their retro checks? If the FOP leadership has counsel (and I presume they do), their attorneys could be guilty of legal incompetence. You learn in law school 101 never to miss any legally imposed deadlines. Just asking.
>>>The Sergeants functioned as "Watch Commanders" in the Detective Division for years and served as "Commanding Officers" in some secret squirrel units. What say you now?
9/16/2013 03:52:00 PM,<<<
Those positions were not as in past practice held by a Captain or Lieutenant.
Has anyone sued the FOP concerning the denial of their retro checks? If the FOP leadership has counsel (and I presume they do), their attorneys could be guilty of legal incompetence. You learn in law school 101 never to miss any legally imposed deadlines. Just asking
Never going to happen
Anonymous said...
An old retired guy just asking a question;
Has anyone sued the FOP concerning the denial of their retro checks? If the FOP leadership has counsel (and I presume they do), their attorneys could be guilty of legal incompetence. You learn in law school 101 never to miss any legally imposed deadlines. Just asking.
9/17/2013 03:56:00 PM
That's a great idea. We'll sue our own organization.
Then, we can collect our retro from ourselves. Brilliant!
What grade did you get in law school 101?
Well we saw today at the union meeting three groups of people forming tickets for the next FOP election. A vote of no confidence never really got off of the ground when the vote was finally taken. People from all sides thought it was a move that would only help Rahm.
The vote on the by-law change was also defeated as people again from two of the three warring camps all thought it was a bad idea. Dean (limited duty for over a decade) Angelo’s people backed this proposal.
Rick Aguilar told the membership he is honest! Today was the first time I ever heard Gorman talk at length. I was impressed. Even Aguilar sounded like he works more than two hours a day when he is not planning coups with Graham crackers.
And I finally met Dean Angelo Sr for the first time today. His kid is not a chip off the old block. Kind of a useless trustee if you ask me. While the old man seemed to be a decent guy (he was part of the old Nolan team) people from as far back as the Dineen team called him out on his own problems of how he spent union funds.
Mike Shields at times looked lost. But he stood there and took his lumps. He buried his father yesterday. Today was the first time I ever heard anyone from FOP to take ownership of a mistake.
It was obvious that the old City-Wide team have been laying in the weeds for a couple of years looking to get back control. It was revealed today that after the board meeting earlier in the month when their coup failed someone called the Scum-Times and sold us all out to the laziest reporter in the city -AKA Rahm’s media wh@re - Fran Speilman. She called Mike for a comment less than 15 minutes after that meeting ended. Everyone at the meeting said they will bring them up on charges if they are ever ID’d. Even money has it narrowed down to two people.
Carlos Cortez another old member from the Nolan team filed charges on Shields today because the letter got sent late and said he will file charges against the rest of the executive board this week. I guess he’s running for office with Dean Angelo. The two of them were at the microphone all afternoon. Some fat cow also took up a lot of time trying to impress the membership on how tough she is. Whatever ticket she’s on will never win. If Angelo and his old Nolan team run against the old City-Wide team it will get very very dirty. They have hated each other for 20 years.
It looks like a nasty election with two groups beating up on Shields to start and there go after each other for a major league bloodbath. It looks like Shield needs the full State Labor Board to rule in FOP’s favor. Even Aguilar and Dougherty said after the meeting that is a good possibility given the wording in the state statue. The letter should have been sent but they were not very proactive about this either. If Shield goes they should also go. But who do you replace them with? All retirees? Or some jerkoff who in his/her whole police career will just make five meetings this year? There were a lot of jerkoffs at the hall today too.
The City-Wide team may have had some good people in the past but they have proven to be untrustworthy. How do you vote for someone who was willing to fuck over the whole membership to get back in power or drops a dime to the media wh@re? Plus they have twice tried to purge the union rolls of all retirees and take away their voting rights. Dean Angelo Sr has been out of the game for a long time. And what is very sad is I bet that there are only 90 to 100 members who have enough meetings to run for office.
How'd you like to approve inventories, arrest reports, answer 4 ringing phones do tomorrow's worksheets & A+A's, and take a report at the same time? Just wondering, not bitching, cause yes, I know I BID for it.
Just telling it like it is. There is room for everyone on this department.
Seriously? Half of your "tours" consist of looking at lunch menus. The other half consists of yelling at the poor soul that came in to justify your salary. Some of you need to seriously consider diets for your own health. House mice, I dont want to hear how hard it is. I dont buy it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
>>>The Sergeants functioned as "Watch Commanders" in the Detective Division for years and served as "Commanding Officers" in some secret squirrel units. What say you now?
9/16/2013 03:52:00 PM,<<<
Those positions were not as in past practice held by a Captain or Lieutenant.
9/17/2013 04:01:00 PM
Almost ALL of them were lieutenant spots! What are you talking about?
Said they guy who's never been sued in federal court. Take a look at how much your sphincter shrinks once that happens, even though you 'HAD ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW."
And locking up some poor brain-dead pisser or drinker is appalling when there are so many better arrests out there. These people are homeless, penniless, and hopeless. Yet you keep locking them up over and over again just to get your numbers up.
You must be from a UNIT. Mr. Super pinch himself! Always bringing Quality in. Gun pinches and kilos only? Give me a break. Sometimes, those drinkers are bangers that have been told multiple times to get off the block. They dont listen, then they get locked up. My sphincter is not puckering because I have nothing to worry about. Another mutt hiding behind the suing excuse. You get sued for doing the right thing. This is the job you chose . If your ass is sphinctering. Mcdonalds is hiring.
How does Shields justify his existence to make that money? He doesn't so let's too eliminate him and anyone with ties and knowledge of that letter deadline. It is inexcusable and proof they don't have our best interests at heart.
9/17/2013 03:49:00 PM
Lets see....that would be the Entire Elected Body then. Plus all the Appointee positions.
You'd have to hold an Emergency Election to get people into office so that Contract Talks could actually continue.
You'd also have to Fire for Legal Malpractice all the FOP Attorney's (this fiasco meets the minimum requirement for that term of Lawyer Fuckuppery.).
I don't see the membership as it currently stands being able to get their shit together and Unite long enough to do the above AND elect a whole new Ruling Body And be able to negotiate a contract.
At the very least, FOP would need to contact the Sheriff's Police Officers Union for assistance in getting reliable Pro-Union Lawyers.
And locking up some poor brain-dead pisser or drinker is appalling when there are so many better arrests out there. These people are homeless, penniless, and hopeless. Yet you keep locking them up over and over again just to get your numbers up.
You've got to be one of the biggest ASSHATS who has ever posted on here.
9/17/2013 07:23:00 AM
And how many 'legit' arrests do you make for rock or pot? Or do you Hide out doing street cleaning or drive around all night hoping your camera Pings and you can go down for 2 hours for a Vehicle Impound?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Blue shirts we need to unite against Shields and Company. He cost you and your families money. Let us not forget he is making 130k a year off of us. Get rid of him. Lets not reward incompetency and malice. Mike Shields does not have our interests at heart.
9/16/2013 04:12:00 PM
I agree. How does Shields justify his existence to make that money? He doesn't so let's too eliminate him and anyone with ties and knowledge of that letter deadline. It is inexcusable and proof they don't have our best interests at heart.
9/17/2013 03:49:00 PM
MIke Shields is making 200k plus and I agree get him out of office
Anonymous said...
@ 08:06:00 PM
I call bullshit. You just added that nonsense because you know all the hard talk about Mike Shields' father, and whatever personal plans the guy has for grieving with his family- are out of line.
If any W/C actually denied you time after you lost a loved one, you don't just "go back to work." A simple step up chain of command, if that really happened, and any commander would give you the 2 or 3 days.
This Rahm tactic worked like a charm, didn't it?
Nobody could keep up a united front for the duration of this artificially drawn out contract negotiation...
Correct, Mike f*cked up. The self-serving bunch of do-nothings from the previous union command, they f*cked up.
All of us running around trained by Daley to expect a retro check instead of an honest contract negotiation? That means we all f*cked up. We have no poker face. We all have a tell. Rahm sees it.
Sure, let's force a big, public ouster of our leadership. That's the perfect solution.
We could have stunned the public, the press, and the mayor's office by not falling for this grenade he threw and, like the teachers, stood by our president, if for no other reason than to show we wouldn't flinch. We'd rally together, we'd make noise about getting our families and friends to make noise, too, and vote out any mayor that wants to treat us and our union so disrespectfully.
That stupid letter doesn't undo the mayor's responsibility to keep his word about a fair contract. There was precedent with other unions missing the deadline but they weren't treated the way the mayor wants to treat us.
Daley did this on his way out, too, feeding us to the press with that nonsense about us turning down such a great offer.
Daley, and now Rahm, they play us like chumps and the public falls for it because we don't stand together.
9/17/2013 12:10:00 AM
Thank you. Someone finally gets it.
>>>Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is why I am taking a proactive approach. I signed up for the Sergeant's test. Now, all I have to do is get promoted to Sergeant and I will get Sergeant's pay. I am a doer, I take a proactive approach, and I have positive attitude. I already bought a Management book at Barnes and Noble.
9/16/2013 12:30:00 PM<<<
Better than that, go for some of the courses like SUPERVISION OF POLICE at the Northwestern University Public Safety Institute. Good luck, it worked for me, but then it was called the Traffic Institute.
Im losing faith in the union.
Please remember we are the union. Many union members, in all unions, leave everything up to their presudent and executive board, we need to attend meetings, we need to voice our opinions, and we need to be active.
The same applies to the government, which receives consent from the people.
Civic duty is at an all time low. We neec to act!
Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo? The same guy associated with bill Nolan and John Dineen? He was booted out of the election when city wide came in with Donahue. Why all of sudden does he wanna run?
Head of the undergrad program at cal. College. On disability? Work this job for straight p.o. Pay and I'll vote for you. If not than your just another scammer trying to soak up more $$ before "retiring" from your disability.
9/16/2013 11:30:00 PM
The kid got elected as trustee exactly that way. He got on the ballot and ran as "Dean Angelo" and without the Jr. after his name. People, especially retirees, thought they were voting for the dad and he got in as trustee with the most vote totals of anyone running for trustee. Pretty smart and it got him elected and he get's the $600 a month stipend and per diem for committee meetings. I have yet to hear him say anything at all in a meeting. He comes in, looks around, smiles and that is it. No words, no action, no nothing. In almost three years, nothing.
Anonymous said...
There were a lot of jerkoffs at the hall today too.
9/17/2013 06:20:00 PM
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10-4 ON THAT!
I guess a lot of them had to use google maps to find the hall. If they thought they were getting big retro checks they should talk to the CFD team dealing with the city. The city is only talking about taking back the duty availability, Uniform allowances, raising insurance rates, and manning issues. This is a war to just keep what we got. The CPI is very low right now. Everyone should have realized that based upon the last contract. The retro is secondary to pension, COLAs, and medical insurance rates.
You must have put a case on someone because you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong. I guess you must not know how to do things correctly and follow the law and general order and write paper that articulates the law and reason for the arrest. Stop being so scared of lawsuits. If you have your ducks in a row you are fine
That is downright funny!!!!! You are clueless as to what goes on in federal court. Most cases are brought in on complete bullshit and lies by a bright lawyer who creates a story to fit the facts. ANYONE who has any experience knows what you are saying is way off base.
Remember my young friends, Dean Angelo Sr. was thrown out of his FOP spot in 2002. He didn't go back to a beat car, he went on duty disability. He wasn't to disabled to work in the FOP office collecting Captains pay. Dean the dream has not been in a squad car since 1998. Choose wisely my friends*********((()))
Dean you speak of fiscal responsibility correct, would you please explain to the membership of your tenure as a trustee you charged to the union and it's members a wopping dinner bill for your family and personal friends to the tune of approximately $1,000,
Ok maybe you felt that was fiscal, can you now explain why you are working a full time job, and not able to work anything with the Chicago Police, let's see you are collecting 75 % from the Pension board and earning a full time salary with the college. Not bad sounds pretty fiscal for you, what about the message you are sending to all.
It is quite funny how you want to run for President of the FOP and you are scamming your FOP and the City without blinking an eye. Very Very Shameful/
Can you please explain perhaps we would appreciate your thoughts or excuses.
"We signed up because we enjoy this job and want to put bad guys in jail. If there are good citizens in bad neighborhoods then why would they put themselves at risk? I would never live where my family could be in danger more often than not.
9/17/2013 12:26:00 AM"
Sorry to bust your bubble caped crusader, I came on this department for a steady paycheck& medical benefits. I enjoy the 1st& the 16th, nothing more.The criminal injustice system is a sick pathetic joke.
Good citizens in bad neighborhoods are captives primarily to the lack of upward mobility due to their economic situation.They do their level best to make the best of a bad situation, apparently that was a lesson lost in your 12 years of Catholic education or just plain naivety & IGNORANCE.
So after all the lies that Mike and his team spread about Greg Bella, you think Greg and his guys should have stuck around to show Mike and his team the ropes? Mike's team were a bunch of assholes when they were campaigning for the spot. They made a lot of stuff up and they were really shitty to Greg. Mike also acted like he knew everything. Remember, he was the college educated kid who came to roll calls in his suit. Why would he need help? He didn't play nice. Greg and the guys had no obligation to help. The members who got fooled by Mike voted and put Mike in office. They didn't want Greg so why should Greg stick around to help someone who knew everything? Don't spin this and now try to blame Greg and the outgoing team.
9/17/2013 06:16:00 AM
Could not agree more. I saw through Shields and his group of idiots within minutes of hearing their bullshit.
The day after Mike Shields buried his father, the snakes came out from under their rocks, and attacked him, not for the good of the FOP, but to further their political ambitions. Former chaplain, and perennial candidate Carlos Cortez filed charges against Mike Shields. The nature of the charges was not revealed, but at least Carlos can say he did something. You couldn't have waited a couple of weeks Carlos? Apparently, Carlos is running for some office on a ticket headed by Disability Dean Angelo, who despite having been on duty disability for ten years, is healthy enough to work full time at Calumet College. Dean was heard soliciting campaign contributions, while standing in line at the wake for Joe Shields. A couple of no class goofs, who should not be kept as far away from the FOP, as possible.
FOP Oath of Office
I (state your name) in the presence of the Members of the Fraternal Order of Police here assembled, do promise and swear, that I will comply with all the rules of this order, that I will not use the authority invested in me for personal gain.
Should i violate this, my solemn oath, I hereby bind myself under no less a penalty than that of being impeached and expelled from the Order.
To all of which I promise and swear, so help me God.
Let the hammer drop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's a great idea. We'll sue our own organization.
Then, we can collect our retro from ourselves. Brilliant!
What grade did you get in law school 101?
I think he means to sue the attorney's malpractice insurance policy.
You must have put a case on someone because you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong. I guess you must not know how to do things correctly and follow the law and general order and write paper that articulates the law and reason for the arrest. Stop being so scared of lawsuits. If you have your ducks in a row you are fine.
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Said they guy who's never been sued in federal court. Take a look at how much your sphincter shrinks once that happens, even though you 'HAD ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW."
And locking up some poor brain-dead pisser or drinker is appalling when there are so many better arrests out there. These people are homeless, penniless, and hopeless. Yet you keep locking them up over and over again just to get your numbers up.
You've got to be one of the biggest ASSHATS who has ever posted on here.
Asshat? Never been sued? No, just not a coward. And please, stop using the term asshat it makes you sound like a much bigger looser. And did I say its cool to lock up bums and pissers??? No, I said that its legal and was responding to the idiot who said people are going to get sued for doing it. I was mearly telling that other moron (the other one besides you) that if there is a law on the books you are fine for enforcing it no matter how petty or pimpy it is. He called it getting sued for petty arrests. Yes, they are petty but they cant get jammed up for enforcing the laws if the officers do it right and follow the law and ordinance. the other "asshat" doesnt seem to get that. Now to your crystal ball that says Ive never been sued. I have been sued 5 times in 17 years for lawsuits that were due to arrests we made. Ive been put on other suits but those dont count due to only being witnesses and not arresting officers etc. All were in federal court. Three went to federal trial where we won all three in jury trials. one was knocked out by summary judgement and one was withdrawn by the plaintiffs attorney. Im sure I will get sued again in my career. What are you scared of??? Dont worry, you get paid to be the police, do your job and dont be a scared little girl who hides behind the "youll get jammed up, sued, cr numbers etc". give me a break. Ive been sued 5 times and have more cr numbers than I can count during my career.. guess what, IM STILL HERE!!! Not a dime taken away. Not a single day of suspension! No criminal indictments, no federal conspiracy! Like I said before but you obviously have some type of reading and comprehension problem.. If you dont lie like a moron, HAVE YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW, paper squared away and your sh*t together you will be fine. I didnt say you wont get sued but if you do you will be fine. Lawsuits are part of this job. They are inevitable and you cant escape them. Learn to adapt and how to beat them and make them work for you. Depositions, prep and trial mean nothing but dollar signs on your overtime checks my friend. To get hit punitively and actually have the punitive award stick after the city files motions etc is nearly impossible unless you 100 percent recklessly and maliciously put a case on someone.. then in my opinion you deserve getting hit. Maybe get some time on the job, some balls or some experience in the matter in which you try to comment on and you wont seem like such a coward know it all.... jerkoff.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
>>>The Sergeants functioned as "Watch Commanders" in the Detective Division for years and served as "Commanding Officers" in some secret squirrel units. What say you now?
How could they function as W/C's when they are only there for a "THREE HOUR TOUR".
And jerkoff makes you sound much better than asshat?
Anonymous said...
The day after Mike Shields buried his father, the snakes came out from under their rocks, and attacked him, not for the good of the FOP, but to further their political ambitions. Former chaplain, and perennial candidate Carlos Cortez filed charges against Mike Shields. The nature of the charges was not revealed, but at least Carlos can say he did something. You couldn't have waited a couple of weeks Carlos? Apparently, Carlos is running for some office on a ticket headed by Disability Dean Angelo, who despite having been on duty disability for ten years, is healthy enough to work full time at Calumet College. Dean was heard soliciting campaign contributions, while standing in line at the wake for Joe Shields. A couple of no class goofs, who should not be kept as far away from the FOP, as possible.
9/17/2013 11:19:00 PM
You can throw the younger Dean Angelo out also. He is useless on the board. He was slick enough to run as Dean Angelo and not Dean Angelo Jr. People thought they were voting for his father and he got in and does nothing. He has a nice smile however.
Has anyone ever heard him speak at an FOP meeting? Has he ever had an idea? Any idea?
For anyone at the FOP meeting yesterday it was painfully obvious that Rich Aguilar needs to be voted out of that office in the next election. He now has a new nickname: "Mr Honest"
It hurt to watch him trip over himself calling Mike Shields a liar and declaring himself honest because he wouldn't tell a lie.
Aguilar has to go!
Dear Claire: Going up to the podium, waving your arms, and yelling about the same thing over and over than has nothing to do with anything is not productive....but since you have not "produced" anything as a police officer except reports as a front office person, that is not shocking.
Dean Angelo? The same guy associated with bill Nolan and John Dineen? He was booted out of the election when city wide came in with Donahue. Why all of sudden does he wanna run?
Head of the undergrad program at cal. College. On disability? Work this job for straight p.o. Pay and I'll vote for you. If not than your just another scammer trying to soak up more $$ before "retiring" from your disability.
Whats his IOD duty disability for? What kind of incident and what kind of injury or disability is he claiming
Seems like most of the IOD disability pensions are to po's with clout. When you hear about them or read in the peper about them, they seem to be commanders kids, politicians relatives, etc
Anonymous said...
suprisingly our president mike shields will not be there. He is at a national lodge convention in seattle. yep, perfect timing mike to get outta town.. hey, you know who else was famous for perfectly timed trips... daley and rahm. shields, enjoy your conventions because your days of being back in a beat car are closer than you think
9/16/2013 01:27:00 am
You my friend are part of the problem with this department. Misinformed just like most of the people I heard speak at the meeting yesterday. Despite the loss of their father and the criticism from all the know-it-alls on this department...both Mike and Danny were at the meeting. Maybe if you got out of your mother's basement or out from behind the bar you might make a meeting. Information is wonderful especially real information. KMA
Anonymous said...
Thank the hair gel police allowing that shmuck Shield get elected.
He runs the show at FOP like a red neck carnival. Rahm on his worse day of his life can outwit Shields without missing a stroke.
Recall Shields before he loses every benifit blue shirt have left.
I can just imagine the old timers of the FOP when it was formed are saying !
YUKE ! Shields just resign and I am sure Rahm will let you work the front desk at 36 th. street.
9/16/2013 12:37:00 AM
You must have been a CPS graduate with your grammar. Typical misinformed nonsense from an anonymous bitch and moaner.
Anonymous said...
For anyone at the FOP meeting yesterday it was painfully obvious that Rich Aguilar needs to be voted out of that office in the next election. He now has a new nickname: "Mr Honest"
It hurt to watch him trip over himself calling Mike Shields a liar and declaring himself honest because he wouldn't tell a lie.
Aguilar has to go!
9/18/2013 06:21:00 AM,
Really? Seriously? You people just figuring it out now! Lose all of them and start a clean slate. NO ONE sitting on the pension board should be allowed to run for FOP either. As a matter of fact, GET RID of FOP all together and start a real union!
In the last five years my partner and I have made every FOP General meeting. He’s the unit rep and I am the watch Rep. In the last 11 years together we have only missed about three meetings due to family issues. Not once in the last two years did anyone on the Board of Director’s of FOP say at a General meeting that Shields is lying and we told him to sent the letter but he ignored us. Ag-u-liar knew his honesty was going to be called into question and he told the membership yesterday I am a honest guy. Another poster said someone called the Sun-Times and sold us out. I think the officers who were at the meeting yesterday have a good idea of who dropped the dime.
If you work 2nd watch and a house or building goes up for grab and threats are made against the police no matter how much you may dislike the guys on 3rd watch you always let them know what is going on. These guys from the Donahue team knew what was going on and let Shields out on the gang plank alone. I’ll vote for a guy scamming the disability rolls like Dean Angleo before I vote for any of the turncoats from the Donahue City-Wide team. Kevin Graham Crackers and the lazy shits from the police hockey team can all go and kiss my ass. When you screwed Shields you screwed all of the rest of us at the same time. Time for you assholes to work the 1st watch in 7 or 11 on third watch so you can remember what is like. Or will you just go on disability like Angelo did?
Aguilar has to go!
Aguilar is a pimp.
The whole FOP is a cluster fuck of ego's. I don't know Mike Shields. But I voted for him for change. The rest of the fop clowns have been there for many years and several contracts. They let Mike fall on his face.
FOP you are all a bunch of spoiled children. We pay you to do a job and you think you are Gods. Fuck all of you and your SPEAKERPHONES!
The only true thing said by Shields was he will be president unit next April. That's when he will be voted out. If Dougherty or Aguilar think they will fare any better then they are delousional.
Hey Mike Tuesday was as good as it gets wait until next month.
Hey Mikey, Mikey, come on Mikey you know what day it is? It's hump day 6 months until we throw you out.
So after all the lies that Mike and his team spread about Greg Bella, you think Greg and his guys should have stuck around to show Mike and his team the ropes? Mike's team were a bunch of assholes when they were campaigning for the spot. They made a lot of stuff up and they were really shitty to Greg. Mike also acted like he knew everything. Remember, he was the college educated kid who came to roll calls in his suit. Why would he need help?
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Did you know that Mark Donahue was more or less a absentee president his last few months in office and Greg Bella who was 1st VP was running the show as the new head of the City-Wide ticket? Did you know he sent money to a law firm and paid way more than the agreed price? The law firm had an partner who was related to a former board member? The Aguilar and Dougherty looked the other way when Greg went around the established policy of going thru the legal defense committee and the Board of Directors. Greg and FOP have been in court for well over a year on this. This is a fact not a rumor!
PS Aguilar and Dougherty were Bella guys and were not replaced as field reps which Shields could have done. I guess he thought it was a good idea to keep two guys who had worked on at least two contracts around. Look what it got Shields by not playing hard ball. Twice this month they knifed him in the back. If Shield goes in a coup so should these two guys.
Looks like shields was crying like a baby. The rest of them looked like deer in the headlights. Right cooter
I went down to that meeting and all I can say is our union is crap! Talk about a good ol boy group of guys! I swear it's the same people just shuffled around every election. Why do we have the same people year after year with diffrent titles after every election? Mikey didn't turn the letter in on time and honestly after hearing him talk I think he is either too stupid or just a bit out of his league when it comes to dealing with a city. We should really be afraid of the contract talks which are coming up with the city. This guy is a goof and the rest of them on the board are no better. They fought like children on the stage all saying they told Sheilds about the letter for np other reason then the upcoming election and securing their jobs come April. Someone put on the floor a motion to get rid of some of the VPs. I'm for it! I'm for a change too. We need someone there who is actually there for us! All of us!
Time to put all the nonsense and rumors to rest.
Our union has one job to do right now regardless of mistakes. The silly fighting and backbiting is an embarrassing and way too public distraction.
Take up the case for campaigning for or against who ever you want- AFTER the contract is settled.
I stand for a united, strong, fraternal order of police. Put all the rest of that sideshow gossipy bullshit to rest and do your part.
Tell your friends and family to tell their friends and family that it's time for this mayor to stop treating the city's police force like garbage. Then explain to anyone who'll listen, anywhere, anytime, why this mayor is wrong to try to scam his way out of an honest and fair contract negotiation.
Stop accusing each other and dividing ourselves over petty differences.
We deserve a raise because for several reasons this job is getting harder and more dangerous. Now act like you believe it.
Anonymous said...
Thank the hair gel police allowing that shmuck Shield get elected.
He runs the show at FOP like a red neck carnival. Rahm on his worse day of his life can outwit Shields without missing a stroke.
Recall Shields before he loses every benifit blue shirt have left.
I can just imagine the old timers of the FOP when it was formed are saying !
YUKE ! Shields just resign and I am sure Rahm will let you work the front desk at 36 th. street.
9/16/2013 12:37:00 AM
What's at 36th street?
Anonymous said...
OT-kind of:
Does anyone know what a day's rate of pay would be if you have over 25 but less than 30 OTJ?
My mathophobe brain is too chicken to attempt to figure it out, and I'd not be confident whatever answer I do arrive at.
Thanks anyone!
9/16/2013 06:23:00 PM
You are certainly supervisor material.
Look it up yourself.
How could they function as W/C's when they are only there for a "THREE HOUR TOUR".
9/18/2013 03:11:00 AM
We're all on the S.S. Minnow.
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