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Every so often, something gets by us. Most times, it's something mostly harmless, but still a reminder that we need to be paying attention all the time:
- A 20-year-old woman was critically injured after being taken into custody by Chicago police.
Investigators say the woman was being held in the back of a squad car in the 33 hundred block of South Wentworth while they waited for a female officer to assist them.
Chicago police officials say the woman had a gun on her in the squad car and was attempting to hide it when it went off.
She was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in critical condition.
Luckily, no police were injured.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
71 Comments:
Males can pat down females in certain circumstances... Just make sure it's in front of the camera so no allocations can be made.
Come on guys, ya gotta do better than that.
This could have ended way differently and very badly. Glad everyone on the good guy's side is safe.
Protective pat down search. No need to wait for female officer for that.
Many people have seen the video of a prisoner in an interview room produce a .45 auto from his waist band when the detective leaves the room and blows his own brains out on camera. Could have just as easily been a police officer that got shot. Search search search.
In my district, the lockup keepers (still po's then plus detention aids) called two arresting officers back to the lockup and handed them the loaded 9mm they took off the cops prisoner. No paperwork, no CR, just something to scare the shit out of the officers who missed the gun.
handcuff anyone who is put into the back of your car. If you are detaining them or arresting them if they are in the back of your car cuff them... and if you cuff them in the front you should be slapped. Too many guys worry that if they cuff somebody they are going to get sued for civil rights violation. Guess what, just putting them in your car and not letting them leave is technically arresting them.. Its a whole lot easier to put them in handcuffs and in the back of your car. You are doing it for safety and articulate why. If you put them in the back of the car but not handcuffed you cant argue safety. "well officer, if you were in fear the subject was going to harm you or had a weapon how would locking them in your backseat unhandcuffed made you feel any safer??" if you fear for your safety or the safety of others around you and can articulate it then put them in handcuffs, thats why you have them. stop being so scared of getting sued. If your worried about a beef or lawsuit and are going to play police then dont stop anyone to begin with. If your gonna stop people, search people and look for bad guys do it right.. the right way is to be safe! everyone who gets stopped gets put in cuffs!
Ghetto Lottery attorneys decrying the incompetent, racist police on the news while declaring their filing of suit in 3, 2, 1...
Good luck, officers. This one's gonna sting a bit.
Tried to dump the gun when a female was called for a search before transporting. No sympathy here.
CTA Keating made sure that the media was not told that the female with the gun was placed into custody on the 35th street red line platform. Shhhhhhh
We get lazy. This is a good wake up call. Males can do a protective search on females. More and more females are doing armed robberies and shooting. Fuck the complaint, be aware and safe. When you touch a spot where they start to wiggle there's a reason for it, they're trying to put you off. Don't be afraid to do a thorough search....you can always put it in the paper with proper justification. Take a beef if it so happens, but you'll still be alive. If you're a male doing a search just document it. I'm pretty sure most of you know what does and doesn't feel right. Always be aware that you might be on video so do the search in a professional manner. Nobody can fault you for that.
Good point but, in this particular case, the coppers were waiting for a female to do a search. They did nothing wrong.
I'm glad the cops are OK.
Forgot to mention, she was handcuffed in the back too.
OT: Mike Shields guilt or innocence will be decided by the FOP board tomorrow at 10am. People need to show up to make sure that they do the right thing. I can't imagine how he could be not guilty, but then again he picked his own hearing panel. Be there to make sure he and his suckholes are held accountable for their actions. He's a cancer who is killing this union.
Anonymous said...
Protective pat down search. No need to wait for female officer for that.
11/04/2013 01:21:00 AM
While you are right, we live in a politically correct world. If a male officer pats down a female subject, you and I know what is going to happen. She will allege that he inappropriately touched her. The responding Sgt. will gladly draw up a CR investigation.
Nobody to blame here but the city for piss poor training the last 5 years. This is what you get when you have recruits standing on safe passage corners instead of riding with an fto in the ghetto on 3rd watch and midnights like they should be. Then after no training for a year and a half they get put together on a beat car and it's the blind leading the blind. McDumbass and Tiny Dancer are going to get somebody killed with their bullshit way of running of this department.
There are important lessons here. . . . . I bet the officers won't repeat that again.
Search the bad guy and don't clean your duty weapon in the office! Wink wink sergeant E.P.
After you find the first gun or knife keeping searching, there may be more!
I would never, ever think of hurting an officer. (I know you've all heard that before.) I have asked many questions on this blog which many of you have answered and
I thank you for taking the time for doing so. So of course, I have another question and it kind of involves officer saftey. If I were ever to have to be handcuffed,
( which I have no intention of ever having a reason for being cuffed ) how do I let the officer know I can't get my arms behind my back due to a joint disorder?
Anonymous said...
Males can pat down females in certain circumstances... Just make sure it's in front of the camera so no allocations can be made.
11/04/2013 12:11:00 AM
Learn the English language. Allegations, not allocations. Good Lord.
About 20 yrs ago 2 tact guys in 010 arrested a fool searched him , put him in the lock up then he tells the lock up guy that he needs to talk to the arresting officers. They believe his bullshit and sign him out of the lock up. handcuff him in front and drive him to 22nd ans Western to make the "Big" pinch. Upon arrival he pulled a gun from his boot and shot both officers killing one. The arresting officers and the lock up missed the gun or he found one in the lock up.
Anonymous said...
handcuff anyone who is put into the back of your car. If you are detaining them or arresting them if they are in the back of your car cuff them... and if you cuff them in the front you should be slapped. Too many guys worry that if they cuff somebody they are going to get sued for civil rights violation. Guess what, just putting them in your car and not letting them leave is technically arresting them.. Its a whole lot easier to put them in handcuffs and in the back of your car. You are doing it for safety and articulate why. If you put them in the back of the car but not handcuffed you cant argue safety. "well officer, if you were in fear the subject was going to harm you or had a weapon how would locking them in your backseat unhandcuffed made you feel any safer??" if you fear for your safety or the safety of others around you and can articulate it then put them in handcuffs, thats why you have them. stop being so scared of getting sued. If your worried about a beef or lawsuit and are going to play police then dont stop anyone to begin with. If your gonna stop people, search people and look for bad guys do it right.. the right way is to be safe! everyone who gets stopped gets put in cuffs!
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Cuffing someone should not give you a sense of security. Watch them as if they aren't cuffed. In my career I've seen offenders cuffed in back work the cuffs to the front, some double-jointed, who then worked their way out. Cuffing someone is a safety measure, but don't count on it. And never, ever, ever, leave a cuffed offender in your squad with the keys in the ignition. From what I've seen and have had to handle through the years, I don't see a problem with putting two sets of cuffs on people. And don't assume because an arrestee is cooperative that he/she won't try to bolt. It's the ones you least expect, who try to escape or take an officers gun for the dumbest of reasons.
Be safe. Don't assume because someone is cuffed that they are secured.
no monday night quaeterback im glad no police were hurt better to handcuff n then search
Don't put anyone in the back of your car until they are patted down. She should have been waiting,handcuffed, under observation,OUTSIDE the car.
OT: Just a thought here people. Hear me out. For those taking the second part of this Sgt's exam. We are all aware that its a joke. So, here's an idea. Why don't we all stick together for the first time in recent history. Let's all go into the second portion, sign our name and walk out. Even the "clouted". The clouted will still be taken care of. But, we'd be ALL showing our reservations for this testing "process"! Let all of us show some unity for once. We are all Police Officers.
Cuffing and stuffing for officers safety while further investigating is legal and common. Call it what you want. " No counselor, they were not free to leave. They were being detained" A Terry stop with Officers safety. Let them call it what they want. We all go home after your tour.
Easy does it all the Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Officer was cuffed. Offender was patted down. Very small gun with a small caliber. Involved officers be well.
handcuff anyone who is put into the back of your car. If you are detaining them or arresting them if they are in the back of your car cuff them... and if you cuff them in the front you should be slapped. Too many guys worry that if they cuff somebody they are going to get sued for civil rights violation. Guess what, just putting them in your car and not letting them leave is technically arresting them.. Its a whole lot easier to put them in handcuffs and in the back of your car. You are doing it for safety and articulate why. If you put them in the back of the car but not handcuffed you cant argue safety. "well officer, if you were in fear the subject was going to harm you or had a weapon how would locking them in your backseat unhandcuffed made you feel any safer??" if you fear for your safety or the safety of others around you and can articulate it then put them in handcuffs, thats why you have them. stop being so scared of getting sued. If your worried about a beef or lawsuit and are going to play police then dont stop anyone to begin with. If your gonna stop people, search people and look for bad guys do it right.. the right way is to be safe! everyone who gets stopped gets put in cuffs!
I don't know what law school you went to but no it's not technically an arrest. Cuffing someone no matter if arrested or not is for Your safety, it's not a representation of arrest. Detaining and arresting are two different things.
Love the comments about pat down search, come on guys, when's the last time you did a pat down between a females legs.
You not only cuff behind you place the seat belt on the prisoner and pull tight. When I was a tact sgt. one of the teams brought in a handcuffed prisoner. His shirt was pulled out of his pants. I was sitting across the room and I noticed something shiny on his right side waist. I went over and pulled up his shirt and found a small pistol in a inside holster. No cr, no paper for the officers were pretty good guys. They owned me for that one.
A shortage of facts or circumstances will never stop the real police from a snap judgement and a condescending explanation of how they would have done it so much better.
11/04/2013 02:35:00 AM
Amen!!!! Excellent post sir/ma'am. You can always articulate why you cuffed somebody, it's very hard to explain somebody blowing their own or somebody else's head off while in your custody.
That mass transit tact team needs to search their supervisor too, he isn't too familiar with his trigger in the office. Bang! Shit, another hole in the wall.
I'd like to know where this piece of shit had the gun concealed initially. I'm guessing it was in the nether regions and I'm not aware of a patdown that cover those areas. If the officers did a routine patdown and called for a female to do a better search---they did the right thing. Bottom line is that you can never trust a savage and its a blessing that no po's were hurt.
I will never understand why male officers call for a female officer for a search on the street. Male officers can perform a protective pat down just as well as a female officer! It's not until you get in lock up that you need a female for a custodial search.
i do agree you should handcuff in the back but there are situations where you might have to handcuff in the front , medical elderly, too big , but you should always do a protective pat down regardless whether they are male or female i have done it but in saying this im just glad the officers are ok and this type of thing can happen to anyone
ps if you try to slap me i will knock on your ass
signed
a working cop
a working
handcuff anyone who is put into the back of your car. If you are detaining them or arresting them if they are in the back of your car cuff them... and if you cuff them in the front you should be slapped. Too many guys worry that if they cuff somebody they are going to get sued for civil rights violation. Guess what, just putting them in your car and not letting them leave is technically arresting them.. Its a whole lot easier to put them in handcuffs and in the back of your car. You are doing it for safety and articulate why. If you put them in the back of the car but not handcuffed you cant argue safety. "well officer, if you were in fear the subject was going to harm you or had a weapon how would locking them in your backseat unhandcuffed made you feel any safer??" if you fear for your safety or the safety of others around you and can articulate it then put them in handcuffs, thats why you have them. stop being so scared of getting sued. If your worried about a beef or lawsuit and are going to play police then dont stop anyone to begin with. If your gonna stop people, search people and look for bad guys do it right.. the right way is to be safe! everyone who gets stopped gets put in cuffs!
11/04/2013 02:35:00 AM
She was cuffed in back. Gun was in small of back.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Seems like much of police work is headed that way.
With any luck it blew out her uterus.
repeat after me ... "I am placing you in handcuffs for your safety and mine until we are able to sort this out." And make sure your partner is nearby to hear it.
I would never, ever think of hurting an officer. (I know you've all heard that before.) I have asked many questions on this blog which many of you have answered and
I thank you for taking the time for doing so. So of course, I have another question and it kind of involves officer saftey. If I were ever to have to be handcuffed,
( which I have no intention of ever having a reason for being cuffed ) how do I let the officer know I can't get my arms behind my back due to a joint disorder?
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Unless you are in some crazy situation just let the officer know . They more than likely reasonably accommodate , just explain your ailment that's all.
While you are right, we live in a politically correct world. If a male officer pats down a female subject, you and I know what is going to happen. She will allege that he inappropriately touched her. The responding Sgt. will gladly draw up a CR investigation.
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hmmmmm, a routine CR number that I can easily explain my way out of or getting myself shot and killed or now dealing with the lawsuit and CR number to follow this incident with an arrestee who shot herself. its not the end of the world for these officers but its gonna be a pain in the a** now. YOU are the problem with this department, too scared of a beef to keep yourself and your partner safe. Use your head and learn to articulate what you are doing and why you are doing it and you wont have to worry about answering to CR numbers. If you have your Sh*t together you will beat the number or lawsuit etc... but no, too scared about maybe violating civil rights when you have the right to cuff and pat down a person for a gun if you believe they have a gun. smarten up!!
I'm sure all the Monday Morning Quarterbacks saying the coppers screwed up, are also the same ones working V.R.I. so the city isn't forced to hire sufficient officers. We are 4,000 budgeted officers short no matter what lies the scumbags at City Hall say. The Mayor is using selfish greed to divide and conquer the Department and is causing our pensions to die on the vine.
We must all learn from this don't put anyone in your car unless you search them and a second officer should search just to make sure it's call watch each other backs . partner and assisting units supervisor don't be afraid to break a nail help out we all the here to go home safe . I tell you these supervisors now a days thinks they are god give to earth bull shit you are here to make should the officers are safe and you are to make sure you assist them .
Hopefully she shot herself in her welfare ATM, rendering it unable to dispense any more cash, er... children.
12.18.....they didn't own you,,,,you owned them......I hope, at the least, they bought you a round or two or took you out to Ruth's Chris......you saved a lot of people a lot of paperwork and maybe even heartache
OT: Just a thought here people. Hear me out. For those taking the second part of this Sgt's exam. We are all aware that its a joke. So, here's an idea. Why don't we all stick together for the first time in recent history. Let's all go into the second portion, sign our name and walk out. Even the "clouted". The clouted will still be taken care of. But, we'd be ALL showing our reservations for this testing "process"! Let all of us show some unity for once. We are all Police Officers.
You are soft. Why even talk that shit and expect anyone to listen to you. Its not going to happen.
I have a better idea why dont you have all the homeowners in Chicago not pay their property taxes in protest over rising propertry taxes
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Protective pat down search. No need to wait for female officer for that.
11/04/2013 01:21:00 AM
While you are right, we live in a politically correct world. If a male officer pats down a female subject, you and I know what is going to happen. She will allege that he inappropriately touched her. The responding Sgt. will gladly draw up a CR investigation.
11/04/2013 07:22:00 AM
Correction: by general orders, the responding sergeant has no choice in the matter and is rarely 'happy' about initiating that CR.
Males can pat down females in certain circumstances... Just make sure it's in front of the camera so no allocations can be made.
Hello--dont you mean allegations??? spell check honey
About 20 yrs ago 2 tact guys in 010 arrested a fool searched him , put him in the lock up then he tells the lock up guy that he needs to talk to the arresting officers. They believe his bullshit and sign him out of the lock up. handcuff him in front and drive him to 22nd ans Western to make the "Big" pinch. Upon arrival he pulled a gun from his boot and shot both officers killing one. The arresting officers and the lock up missed the gun or he found one in the lock up
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Very tragic and true story above. Let us thank God the mutt just shot herself and not our brothers.
I cannot wait and read the law suit how the police are responsible. Can't win with the justice system. Another honor student hits a little cash from the city.
Be safe and more careful.
No one who was not there should be holier than thou and criticize. The point is to stay safe. pat down when appropriate, search when you can (and there is a difference) and always handcuff properly with palms out. finally and most importantly stay alert! You guys are important to me and I do not want to go to any more funerals
Are you really CPD? Some people shouldn't be allowed to use the internet,
OT: Just a thought here people. Hear me out. For those taking the second part of this Sgt's exam. We are all aware that its a joke. So, here's an idea. Why don't we all stick together for the first time in recent history. Let's all go into the second portion, sign our name and walk out. Even the "clouted". The clouted will still be taken care of. But, we'd be ALL showing our reservations for this testing "process"! Let all of us show some unity for once. We are all Police Officers.
11/04/2013 09:55:00 AM
I was once jailed for a graffiti arrest in Chicago, the arresting officer patted me down while I told him I don't give permission to search my car, he was too busy calling me an idiot and to "stop watching too much CSI" to find the spray paint in the small of my back. I couldn't get it out in the transport officers car but it fell out and rolled down the garage when I stood up outside the cars. The guys got a kick out of it asking "what the hell was that?" And having me respond "I've got no idea what you're talking about."
So yeah, be careful.
-former resident
11:49- Obviously you don't know you're constitutional law. The post was correct. In the eyes of the law even stopping someone for an "unreasonable" time can be deemed an arrest even though they aren't in cuffs or taken to taken to jail.
OT: Just a thought here people. Hear me out. For those taking the second part of this Sgt's exam. We are all aware that its a joke. So, here's an idea. Why don't we all stick together for the first time in recent history. Let's all go into the second portion, sign our name and walk out. Even the "clouted". The clouted will still be taken care of. But, we'd be ALL showing our reservations for this testing "process"! Let all of us show some unity for once. We are all Police Officers.
I agree with you, but this will never happen because coppers are very self-centered and never stick together. Also, it should have happened during the first part. Every one should have put B for every answer and walked out.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Males can pat down females in certain circumstances... Just make sure it's in front of the camera so no allocations can be made.
11/04/2013 12:11:00 AM
Learn the English language. Allegations, not allocations. Good Lord.
11/04/2013 09:09:00 AM
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Thanks grammar police... I'm sure you have never made a mistake in your life. I misspelled ALLEGATION and my phone corrected it as allocations, everyone else knew what I meant. You were the only douchebag who felt the need to point it out... Good Lord, now GFY
CCDOC guards know this. We give a 100% search and find contraband all the time. It is quite scary. Of course, Inmates know the deal in "processing". Stay safe everyone.
Bed Bugs @ 35th Street...
Anonymous said...
About 20 yrs ago 2 tact guys in 010 arrested a fool searched him , put him in the lock up then he tells the lock up guy that he needs to talk to the arresting officers. They believe his bullshit and sign him out of the lock up. handcuff him in front and drive him to 22nd ans Western to make the "Big" pinch. Upon arrival he pulled a gun from his boot and shot both officers killing one. The arresting officers and the lock up missed the gun or he found one in the lock up
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Very tragic and true story above. Let us thank God the mutt just shot herself and not our brothers.
I cannot wait and read the law suit how the police are responsible. Can't win with the justice system. Another honor student hits a little cash from the city.
Be safe and more careful.
11/04/2013 06:18:00 PM
As I recall he managed to squirrel the gun in under the seat cushion on the way to the station. He made his deal at the station to go finger a dealer and they took him again in the same squad car, uncuffed, He retrieved the gun while back in the back seat and bam bam bam. He got away for a while and was arrested in the ensuing manhunt.
If a man needs to pat down or search a female, if possible, do it in front of a squad with a camera and make a point of pointing out the camera to protect her rights. And save the complaint.
I guess then we have some new streaming videos or another fun filled class at the department's state of the art training facility......Near North H.S. to look forward to.
I would never, ever think of hurting an officer. (I know you've all heard that before.) I have asked many questions on this blog which many of you have answered and
I thank you for taking the time for doing so. So of course, I have another question and it kind of involves officer saftey. If I were ever to have to be handcuffed,
( which I have no intention of ever having a reason for being cuffed ) how do I let the officer know I can't get my arms behind my back due to a joint disorder?
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Unless you are in some crazy situation just let the officer know . They more than likely reasonably accommodate , just explain your ailment that's all.
Thank you. You have always been great about answering me and helping me understand what your lives are like. ( most times a living hell) Please be careful,and know someone does think about you and does care.
Thanks grammar police... I'm sure you have never made a mistake in your life. I misspelled ALLEGATION and my phone corrected it as allocations, everyone else knew what I meant. You were the only douchebag who felt the need to point it out... Good Lord, now GFY
11/04/2013 09:05:00 PM
Yeah, people pointing this out gets annoying. I know we should proof read but most of us also know that these "smart" phones auto-correct.
Don't put anyone in the back of your car until they are patted down. She should have been waiting,handcuffed, under observation,OUTSIDE the car.
Thank You. I totally agree. That's how I was trained.
The arrestee and Sgt of arresting officers must have went to same weapon training. I wonder if that Sgt can give her a few tips on accidentally discharging a weapon and then denying it. Maybe her civil lawyer can call him for pointers on how to do that so she can sue.
I was told that the sgt on scene ordered the A/O's to place the offender in the police cruiser because it was raining. The best part is the sgt and A/O's stood in the rain waiting for a female officer to search. True story!
The custodial search occurs immediately after the subject is placed under arrest and by a female if subject is a female. The protective pat-down can be performed by either gender and will be conducted once a subject is detained by cause of reasonable suspicion. So officers should only be calling for a "female for a search" when a female is under arrest. Otherwise, they can perform the pat-down. Remember, you can not do a custodial search on a female who is not under arrest.
"....ps if you try to slap me i will knock on your ass
signed
a working cop
a working"
You wanna knock on my ass? WTF is wrong with you?
Excuse me, but I live and die for knocking on the asses of men.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Don't say cruiser.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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