Firefighter Test
First test in 8 years:
- Amid skyrocketing overtime in the Chicago Fire Department, the city will hold its first firefighters entrance exam in eight years in 2014, but not the way a former-firefighter-turned-alderman would like it.
Ald. Nick Sposato (36th) said being a firefighter is a physical job, and candidates should be hired in the order of how they perform on the test of physical abilities, so long as they clear a pass-fail written test.
That’s the way it was done in 1978 and again in 1985, when Sposato took the exam, with no lawsuit filed after either one of those tests.
Chicago’s first firefighters entrance exam since 2006 will be conducted differently.
The written test will be pass-fail with passing candidates assigned a random number and called in that order as manpower is needed.
No guarantees of 10 years back seniority this time though.
Labels: fire fighters
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
55 Comments:
In other words let's hire minorities and the connected.
What's the cutoff age for CFD?
I've got 15 years on the CPD and I'd jump ship and take the pay cut in a NY minute.
What's the age limit? Youngest and oldest?
What could a written test for a firefighter possibly consist of?
Q-When a building is on fire, what should you put on it?
A. Water
B. Gasoline
C. Italian Sausage
D. Marshmallows
Watch this family guy clip...funny
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7BQ_0_sOE
I hope the silliness and sarcasm is evident.
God forbid the city would want to hire the best candidates based on their intelligence (written test) and physical abilities (agility test) for a job that relies on the science of firefighting combined with physical needs.
One day we will have a FF class loaded with 5-2 women who cannot carry a length of hose. Just what you'd want at your house fire when your family is trapped inside. NOT!
Hmm ... I wonder how minority dumbed-down this test be???
Ah, To eat sleep and workout for a living with no accountability ! Ah put your feet up and watch the paramedics do all the hard work.
All I can say is make sure your home is equipped with all the necessary warning devices and train your family in fire prevention as well as evacuation because the hiring process for fire fighters in this city is ridiculous. Just think about the quality of fire fighter this strategy will produce. You'll have a better chance putting the fire out yourself with a garden hose.
I heard you only need a GED to take the test. I think I'll tell my C/I to take the test, he really needs a legit job. And with his ethnic background he's a shoe in for the job.
Hiring on physical ability would give the strong and agile an unfair advantage over the weak and clumsy. That is not the way things are done in a PC diverse world.
Wtf. I passed the last one and am still waiting for a call. How can they have a new test when there are so many people on the list waiting to be hired? If they need people, go through the current list. People are being discriminated because of their SSN.
Although testing this way turned out some of the best firefighters ever because they were the strongest and fittest, it led to trouble later when the city tried to promote the minorities hired with poor reading and studying skills.
If you're required to do the same job, fitness tests should be the same across the boards. The test should be required to be the same for both men and women.
Nobody becomes a firefighter without first failing the police exam.
apparently you can be dumb as a fireman as long as you have a strong back ... fair enough.
But just wait until all the females crap out.
Gender is also a protected class under Title VII (Affirmation Action Clause) of the Civil Rights Act of 1965.
Ha. You really gonna hire the strongest applicants Alderman? Don't get me wrong, I'm with ya ... but it ain't gonna happen.
many angry FF's over this one....some of them were making at least one shift per week.
24 hours at time and a half....could pay some bills off.
I've watched my neighbor's kids on more than one occasion when he got the call early when his name came up on the OT list and he had to wait for Grandma to come over to get them
To be proctored by arsonist and firebugs.
More evidence of the dumming down of America. Old fashioned values such as hard work, responsibility and the desire to be a top performer are out the window. The new America with its mediocre graduates educated by public school bureaucracies is the new norm. You would think that the city would seek out the best and brightest. Dumb muscles are preferred over smarter cognitive processes? Instead the city would rather promote the notion of fairness and inclusiveness based on qualities such as skin pigmentation, ancestry and perceived private life preferences. Yes this is a physical job, but critical thinking and decisive decision making are qualities which if not exercised, could result in great bodily harm, death and a most immediate unsafe workplace. The judges, the lawyers and the city administrators with their “fairness” agenda would not allow such a random picking process for their children when they apply for top tier colleges and other schools. You could bet your bottom dollar, they would argue on the best and brightest should be selected and that whole notion of fairness/inclusiveness would go out the window when its affects them personally. Bottom line, are the recipients of public education truly prepared to pass a standardized test or is the bar lowered to accommodate the masses?
hire part time firefighters on 12 hour shifts , keep 1200 full time firefighters , hire paid on call for emergencies , you will have over 10,000 apply to work part time 12 hour shifts for half the pay .
I love it when firemen get all sooty and sweaty.
I have to sit down now. I think I am getting the flutters.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
the thing is there is no way or knowing how physically fit a candidate will be when he gets hired anyway.
presumably there is some minimum fitness level required at the point of actual hire anyway.
random calls are as good as anything. probably better than some arbitrary scoring of physical fitness, that may or may not be meaningful.
let God pick the new firefighters.
Things change Sposato. When you were gathering signatures to run for alderman, you were passing yourself off as pro-2A. Look at you now, you're a disgrace.
How much longer are we going to perpetuate this affirmative action society. Are we saying minorities are less intelligent and less capable physically? Because I know a lot of minorities who would be offended by that. The problem is the politicians who are pandering to the entitlement segment of our society. The politicians give them what they want and they stay elected. Politicians would destroy this country in order to stay in office. Get me out of this welfare, affirmative action, sanctuary state.
Ages 21 to 35 (Age 40 for police)
You have to be 18 to take the test.
nonymous said...
What could a written test for a firefighter possibly consist of?
Q-When a building is on fire, what should you put on it?
A. Water
B. Gasoline
C. Italian Sausage
D. Marshmallows
Watch this family guy clip...funny
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7BQ_0_sOE
I hope the silliness and sarcasm is evident.
11/02/2013 12:34:00 AM
I was curious why did the CFD remove the poles from fire stations?
What could a written test for a firefighter possibly consist of?
Q-When a building is on fire, what should you put on it?
A. Water
B. Gasoline
C. Italian Sausage
D. Marshmallows
Watch this family guy clip...funny
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7BQ_0_sOE
I hope the silliness and sarcasm is evident.
11/02/2013 12:34:00 AM
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Mmm.... Italian Sausage
Wait, the Firefighter test?
What the fuck did I take at McCormick Place the other day?
That wasn't the Fire Department test???
Anonymous said...
What's the cutoff age for CFD?
I've got 15 years on the CPD and I'd jump ship and take the pay cut in a NY minute.
11/02/2013 12:10:00 AM
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The reverands were not impressed with the diversity of the currant list from the last test given by a connected minority firm. We are truly in trouble.
Anonymous said...
If you're required to do the same job, fitness tests should be the same across the boards. The test should be required to be the same for both men and women.
11/02/2013 07:36:00 AM
Why should that be true for the CFD and not the CPD?
Anonymous said...
In other words let's hire minorities and the connected.
11/02/2013 12:03:00 AM
You'll get your day too princess..just wait.
Anonymous said...
What's the cutoff age for CFD?
I've got 15 years on the CPD and I'd jump ship and take the pay cut in a NY minute.
11/02/2013 12:10:00 AM
40
11/02/2013 01:16:00 PM
You gave the wrong info, its 38
Nov 1, 2011 ... The Chicago Fire Department's age limit for new hires is 38 years old,
I was curious why did the CFD remove the poles from fire stations?
11/02/2013 12:29:00 PM
So many punchlines, so little time.
Isn't that why the cfd went away from physical testing as the predominant hiring qualification?
They were flooded with jackasses that could hang from a bar for 45 minutes but couldn't do anything else.
I'm taking the test if I don't get on I'm going to s u e because I have no arms and I'm blind
Will the same folks who were proctors for the sergeant test be proctors for the fireman test?
$300.00 more and I could 'a been a fireman!
On call FF lmao ain't gonna work in shitcago this ain't the burbs,and any medic who bitches can go back to the private ambo's and make $12 an hour!
Why will cpsstiudents receive extra points on the new test for cpd , seems racist
I took the Chicago Fire Fighters Exam in 1979 and the same in a lot of the suburbs.
The written Chicago exam was a joke; it was just about a third grade literacy test. The suburban tests were complicated and required problem solving ability.
The Chicago Fire Fighters Physical Ability Exam was a few brief tests all graded in stopwatch seconds. It was how long you could hang in a chin-up position and how fast you could run up a stairway with a pack of hose. There was an obstacle course running a zig-zag, crawling through a tube and climbing through a window. Now I am a big guy and I was running four miles every other night and in really good shape. But a big guy was at a definite disadvantage with these tests especially trying to crawl through the tube and squeeze through the window. A fire Fighter needs to built like a laborer, not like a sprinter. I failed the Chicago Fire Fighters Exam but landed well on the some of the suburban list. It was one of the most gut wrenching decisions of my life when I turned down the suburban job, which included home visits, oral boards and a polygraph to stay on the CPD.
Over the years following that 1979 exam I was at lot of fire scenes looking at new Fire Fighters. WTF, they seemed to be all Munchkins; God forbid if they had to drag my big ass out of a fire.
I was curious why did the CFD remove the poles from fire stations?
11/02/2013 12:29:00 PM
They don't like east-central Europeans?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
the thing is there is no way or knowing how physically fit a candidate will be when he gets hired anyway.
presumably there is some minimum fitness level required at the point of actual hire anyway.
random calls are as good as anything. probably better than some arbitrary scoring of physical fitness, that may or may not be meaningful.
let God pick the new firefighters.
11/02/2013 11:31:00 AM
What in the flying fuck are you talking about?!?
"No way to know"?
Here's the test. Push-up, run, sit-ups, 100 yard ball scratch, whatever you want... You PASS the test, you get called.
If it takes 4 years to get to you, or 4 weeks to get to you, you take the SAME TEST again just prior to getting into the Academy. Here's where things get interesting: You PASS the test, you get into the Academy.
Set the bar or the standard.
You PASS, you're in.
It aint fuckin' rocket surgery.
How's the morale at CFD? If offered both CPD and CFD which is a better place to work??
I've got 15 years on the CPD and I'd jump ship and take the pay cut in a NY minute
Hey buddy. We aint big on the 'NY" word around here.
Anonymous said...
What's the cutoff age for CFD?
I've got 15 years on the CPD and I'd jump ship and take the pay cut in a NY minute.
11/02/2013 12:10:00 AM
40
11/02/2013 01:16:00
Wrong. It's 38. You can't start Fire Academy after your 38th birthday
Anonymous said...
Hmm ... I wonder how minority dumbed-down this test be???
11/02/2013 12:48:00 AM
Just enough so that dummies like you can pass.
Anonymous said...
How much longer are we going to perpetuate this affirmative action society. Are we saying minorities are less intelligent and less capable physically? Because I know a lot of minorities who would be offended by that. The problem is the politicians who are pandering to the entitlement segment of our society. The politicians give them what they want and they stay elected. Politicians would destroy this country in order to stay in office. Get me out of this welfare, affirmative action, sanctuary state.
11/02/2013 11:53:00 AM
Thank you.
Nobody becomes a firefighter without first failing the police exam.
11/02/2013 08:33:00 AM
I just spit my coffee out! LMFAO!!!!
Anonymous said...
What could a written test for a firefighter possibly consist of?
Q-When a building is on fire, what should you put on it?
A. Water
B. Gasoline
C. Italian Sausage
D. Marshmallows
Watch this family guy clip...funny
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7BQ_0_sOE
I hope the silliness and sarcasm is evident.
Too Funny!
How much longer are we going to perpetuate this affirmative action society. Are we saying minorities are less intelligent and less capable physically? Because I know a lot of minorities who would be offended by that. The problem is the politicians who are pandering to the entitlement segment of our society. The politicians give them what they want and they stay elected. Politicians would destroy this country in order to stay in office. Get me out of this welfare, affirmative action, sanctuary state.
They may be offended by it but none of them are turning down a bite at the apple because of it. Are they.
?
Anonymous said...
I took the Chicago Fire Fighters Exam in 1979 and the same in a lot of the suburbs.
The written Chicago exam was a joke; it was just about a third grade literacy test. The suburban tests were complicated and required problem solving ability.
11/03/2013 12:12:00 AM
Doing that here would eliminate many of a certain demographic group and result in lawsuits and cries that the test was racist.
Stop pretending with the "offending a certain demographic" nonsense. If you're so smart,why are you on the job? I'm sure the private sector needs highly intelligent individuals like you to move their interests forward. One minute you're crying about clout babies,the next minute affirmative action,make up your friggin' mind. If you are from this city you should know that clout trumps everything in Chicago. Forgive me. Now go get your shine box.
You can't start the academy after the age of 38 unless you are one specific race
What is the age limit on actually taking the test? I believe back in '06 it was 35?
Does this mean they are scrapping the rest of the candidates from the March 2006 test? City better get ready for another monumental law suit!
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