Cut Off Score
According to the comments in yesterday's post, the cut off for passing appears to be somewhere around 51 or 52. Not the worst passing grade we've heard of in a Chicago promotional exam, but nearly.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
92 Comments:
I'm curious about the highest score. So far, of my friends who are willing to divulge the information, 78 is the highest I've been told. That is only from 11 friends who share their score.
I am trusting they answered honestly.
For me, it was 70. I wonder if that is suppose to be good or bad for one who did not study - or really wants the promotion to begin with.
Gee, I wonder how/why they came up with a number so low????
Let the lawsuits begin. A certain female fell below the cutoff and has attorney from Evans firm filing suit
Class action lawsuit already being filed because a certain group failed part one. Part two will be delayed a long time
It is the Chicago Way, and now under guidance from the WH, it is the new American Way.
Wait until you guys read the lawsuit filed by the Evans firm yesterday
Anyone know what the passing score for the Chicago Police entry exam is?
Well, how about this scandalous info... tonight on midnights guys brought the letters and we were comparing in the roll call room before roll call. a white kid with 7 years on got a 52 and not eligible. ok sounds fine but then a hispanic guy who has about 21 years on got a 50 and is eligible. The kid with 7 years made a copy of it with the other officers blessing to try to appeal it. Both officers said they didnt expect good scores because neither cracked a book for the test. So what gives??? Are minorities getting points? or something with seniority? Anyone else see anomalies like this?
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Geeze...
Would you want to be cared for by a doctor who got through medical school with a 51 or 52 per cent grade.
But now that we have Obamacare that may be the best we can get.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe
I posted a link on how to make SGT meritoriously. It's a study guide for part 1. I didn't want to post earlier as we had to see who would make it without the guide.
Sorry, nothing on part 2 as of now.
LOL, why even have PT1?
I know im old but the women in the penguin outfits aalways made us at least get a 70% and that was a D-
Glad Im closer to retiring than just getting on this job
These kind of tests are not really designed around finding the best candidates but in screening out the totally unsuitable.
One you understand that, the scoring criteria makes more sense.
Wow. That means a connected relative in 012 will be promoted. Can anyone say rocks for brains?
got 72 and passed
Look for a lot of merit idiots right around whatever the passing score is.
Some people already got their test results. I am anxiously awaiting my test results. In the meantime I am studying my butt off.
The sgt. exam is a total sham and waste of time, unless you have clout. Only a few individuals will score well enough to make it, and the majority of those positions are reserved for the connected.
Surely CPD and the City will do what is right and correct.
Yawn. They will promote who they want to promote.
Would you quite bitching about this, don't you think that if someone just passes with a 55 or so they are not going to do well on the second part of the test? And I know I know but they will get merit promoted and they don't deserve it. To that I say quite bitching about something that will happen with someone anyway that you can not control.
There were morons that slipped into the management ranks before. A passing score of 51 guarantees lots more in the future.
So goes the Country. When will the voters wake up and put on the brakes?
Never got mine in the mail yesterday. Hopefully Monday.
You mean "Earned, not given."
Sure.
62% and moving on.....desparity in scoring already? Im shocked!!! NOT....what a joke.
If a 50 got me into Harvard I'd be President from Hawaii.
It will be interesting to see if this same firm is used for any future promotional exams. I received bad reviews from everyone that took the test Glad I passed the previous firms promotional exams, and will never have to take another one in my career.
I studied. Woods was no help. I scored 82.
OT: I took the CPD entrance exam yesterday. I have followed the blog a long time so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into however, law enforcement has always interested me and (as a military vet as well) I like the brotherhood many officers seem to have with each other. But my point for this post is that the entrance exam was ridiculously easy. Seriously, I'm ashamed that my hometown would offer that piece of shit as a test! You guys who were losing faith in the next generation of POs have every right to do so after witnessing the caliber of people there and the simplicity of that test. Sure, Rahm wants a more "diverse" police force, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for with that one. And the funny part is that people still probably failed it.
I got a 56 and I failed.
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70 is too low. 51/52 is totally unacceptable to be a supervisor even at MacDonalds!! What a joke.
Does anyone have a link to the lawsuit regarding this test.
look at command staff , most were merit all the way up the ranks
some with scores of 50 or 60
that's the reason for merit to promote the unqualified with political clout
college degrees and cannot pass a test , says something about diploma mills
who is that exempt that looks like a deer in headlights
Anonymous said...
Geeze...
Would you want to be cared for by a doctor who got through medical school with a 51 or 52 per cent grade.
But now that we have Obamacare that may be the best we can get.
12/15/2013 03:37:00 AM
Writing a Parker or movers is nothing like being a doctor!!!
Get serious!
And why are we bit@hing about leadership or the lack of, when those that lead are only required to know and remember their login passwords!?!?!?!?!?! We should be thankful we are only as screwed up as a Police Department as we are!
How did Bernstien people do? Did their class help?
I'm sure we'll get a clear answer on what the cut off score is on this thread.
I didn't study and don't care. For what? Shit district, poltics, and midnights. No I'll take my retirement in a couple of years and Leave. The CPD has been conquered by years of division, backstabbing, and entitlement attitude. Political hacks are just the tip of the wedge.
I have a question....Besides reading your stuff from part 1, what else is there to study for part two?
Did not get my results yet. Any suggestions?
I'M SURROUNDED BY IDIOTS!
Many times over a long career I thought to myself, "This man (or woman) is an idiot but damn it he/she is in charge."
Some bosses were smart enough and lucky enough to have some sharp cops working and to keep their mouth shut and let those cops do their jobs.
Unfortunately the last few years with promotions of too young commanders and Compost Micro-management a lot of that good work ethic has been smothered.
With those Transfer Bids opening a lot of good cops from Southside and Westside districts will be leaving. Those Commanders who were not loyal to their people will see the problems with that loss because they didn't take care of their people.
74 for me, but I can make a phone call too. Time to get on the scale with the other heavyweights.
Fop,pbpa could embarrass the city by posting the passing scores of all current xo and command staff when they took sgt and lt exams.
It would be a hoot , yesterday they couldn't spell it
Today they be one
Only in Chicago
If this is what happened with the scoring, it is called "Race Norming." The City did this with the 1989 Detective test. I received an 89 and my partner got a 91. He went to Part 2, but I didn't. Called Police Personnel. Without blinking an eye, the girl told me "Oh, you a white male. They cut off for passing is 90." Found out that Hispanics passing was either 80 or 82, and blacks were 70 to go to Part 2.
During a class action suit some years later, the City flat out lied and said they didn't do this. I tried to find my letter from way back, but couldn't. Lawyers wanted it to show that they did Race Norm for that test.
Anonymous said...
OT: I took the CPD entrance exam yesterday. I have followed the blog a long time so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into however, law enforcement has always interested me and (as a military vet as well) I like the brotherhood many officers seem to have with each other. But my point for this post is that the entrance exam was ridiculously easy. Seriously, I'm ashamed that my hometown would offer that piece of shit as a test! You guys who were losing faith in the next generation of POs have every right to do so after witnessing the caliber of people there and the simplicity of that test. Sure, Rahm wants a more "diverse" police force, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for with that one. And the funny part is that people still probably failed it.
12/15/2013 11:02:00 AM
I have seen a lot of people like you who thinks the test was so easy but in the failed it.
Brad Woods was a complete waste of money for part 1&2! Got sucked in on the cheap price
I went to Bernstein with 3 study partners. Got an 84. One other guy 82, one 75, and one not saying.
It's all about your part 2 prep now!
We studied our asses off
50% is the new 95% . What did you expect ?
Let's not compare our job to that of a doctor.
The physical portion will require 1/2 of a push up.
And you must do a complete sit up.....in your mind.
The pull up must be done in strict form....the bar will be set 3 feet off the ground.
Stop paying these scam artists for study groups! That is the stupidest thing you can do. There is nothing they know that you don't already have in your hand - the study material. Memorize it. Now pay me 300 bucks.
I took Woods which was a mistake . He has guys who couldn't even pass a test teaching. One instructor said he took the Sgts test 3 times. Unbelieveable
does anyone know if the answer key that was on the blog is accurate?
Cpd test prep is an absolute joke for part 2. Anyone taking a prep class for Lt test consider different options. And no I dont work for Berstein but wish I spent the extra money and taken a legitimate class.
Worked VRI and the sergeant goes how do you approve a case report in aira.
Awesome
For those of you that paid for Brad Woods class, I have one question.......did he get promoted off his test score or meritoriously? Me thinks its the latter of the two, and wonder is that who you want providing a study group?? You can pass the test and get promoted without wasting your money on Bernstein, Woods etc. Just study!
OT: I took the CPD entrance exam yesterday. I have followed the blog a long time so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into however, law enforcement has always interested me and (as a military vet as well) I like the brotherhood many officers seem to have with each other. But my point for this post is that the entrance exam was ridiculously easy. Seriously, I'm ashamed that my hometown would offer that piece of shit as a test! You guys who were losing faith in the next generation of POs have every right to do so after witnessing the caliber of people there and the simplicity of that test. Sure, Rahm wants a more "diverse" police force, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for with that one. And the funny part is that people still probably failed it.
Don't be so sure of yourself. I have taken plenty of entrance law enforcement tests that I thought I did very good on and failed. I have also taken tests that I thought I bombed, but I passed.
You mean "Earned, not given."
Sure.
12/15/2013 10:19:00 AM
Oh, that mongoloid judy weis and his sidekick Masters Masters Masters,fucked that up years ago.
"OT: I took the CPD entrance exam yesterday. . . . But my point for this post is that the entrance exam was ridiculously easy. Seriously, I'm ashamed that my hometown would offer that piece of shit as a test! You guys who were losing faith in the next generation of POs have every right to do so after witnessing the caliber of people there and the simplicity of that test. Sure, Rahm wants a more "diverse" police force, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for with that one. And the funny part is that people still probably failed it."
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The city is paranoid about getting sued like they did with the 1995 Fire entrance exam.
The City had to pay over $100 million on that one because a judge agreed that African Americans do NOT do well on written exams.
The city will NOW make Police and Fire entrance tests ridiculously easy so everyone will pass.
The candidates will still need 60 hours of college from an accredited college for the police job, so hopefully there will not be to many morons with IQ's under 70.
If there are, they will just make them the 1st Deputy within 12 years on the job.
I am highly disappointed with the CPD Test Prep group run by Brad Woods. There are three weeks left and Im not returning. I'd rather go at it alone. The alleged security proof study guide is a lie. I photocopied the uncopy-able. Thats a loss of $139.00 Biggest rip off ever.
Anonymous said...
I am highly disappointed with the CPD Test Prep group run by Brad Woods. There are three weeks left and Im not returning. I'd rather go at it alone. The alleged security proof study guide is a lie. I photocopied the uncopy-able. Thats a loss of $139.00 Biggest rip off ever.
12/16/2013 04:36:00 AM
Surprise! You just spent $139 too much on a bullshit binder filled with information that should be included with the price of the class. And the lies. First of all they used a free website to create all of those tests for the first part. FREE! What a waste that turned out to be. And now they wanted to make more $$$ off of coppers so they over charged for a free Sgt study guide that everyone has anyway and "special-cant-copy" paper turns out to b bullshit! Brad Woods sold his image to Neil and company and lost all respect by every copper in the class. Neil is just taking advantage of every single copper in the class. What a shame.
I took Woods which was a mistake . He has guys who couldn't even pass a test teaching. One instructor said he took the Sgts test 3 times. Unbelieveable
12/15/2013 10:08:00 PM
Have you ever been promoted off a test?
OT: I took the CPD entrance exam yesterday. I have followed the blog a long time so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into however, law enforcement has always interested me and (as a military vet as well) I like the brotherhood many officers seem to have with each other. But my point for this post is that the entrance exam was ridiculously easy. Seriously, I'm ashamed that my hometown would offer that piece of shit as a test! You guys who were losing faith in the next generation of POs have every right to do so after witnessing the caliber of people there and the simplicity of that test. Sure, Rahm wants a more "diverse" police force, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for with that one. And the funny part is that people still probably failed it.
Don't be so sure of yourself. I have taken plenty of entrance law enforcement tests that I thought I did very good on and failed. I have also taken tests that I thought I bombed, but I passed.
12/16/2013 01:22:00 AM
The test I took to come on in '86 was a joke, so this is nothing new. So easy a 6th grade CPD student could have passed it.
Anonymous said...
I studied. Woods was no help. I scored 82.
12/15/2013 10:54:00 AM
Woods did help himself !! Here is a person who had plenty of political clout from his wife ( daughter of Johnny latner)and was appointed lieutenant and commander and now thinks of himself as an expert in personnel matters. The fact that he has no special training in that field does not seem to matter.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT: I took the CPD entrance exam yesterday. I have followed the blog a long time so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into however, law enforcement has always interested me and (as a military vet as well) I like the brotherhood many officers seem to have with each other. But my point for this post is that the entrance exam was ridiculously easy. Seriously, I'm ashamed that my hometown would offer that piece of shit as a test! You guys who were losing faith in the next generation of POs have every right to do so after witnessing the caliber of people there and the simplicity of that test. Sure, Rahm wants a more "diverse" police force, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for with that one. And the funny part is that people still probably failed it.
12/15/2013 11:02:00 AM
I have seen a lot of people like you who thinks the test was so easy but in the failed it.
12/15/2013 05:18:00 PM
It's entirely possible that I failed it, but it still felt really convoluted and ass-backwards, but that shouldn't be surprising coming from the city.
Did not get my results yet. Any suggestions?
12/15/2013 04:35:00 PM
You come to a blog because you didn't get your score? Do us all a favor and don't take part two.
Saw it with my own eyes. 48 Passing.
I made it on the last test and used CJR study group, that was the Charley and John Roberts Group. It costs $ but it worked along with lots of studying. The best part was every sat morning for 3 months before the test you went and took a test and had an exam, even the week before. So you were mentally ready to sit and take the test because you had did it 12 or more time already.
Best of luck to all! You better be in the top 250 to have a serious chance.
Study hint. Take every order and outline it with highlighter. Then write out the outline. Then type the outline into your computer and print it off. Carry your printouts to study from every chance you get.
Redo above when you have finished all the study materials. You should have a nice big concise stack to study from. Last test was only what Sgts did, so skip the other stuff above a sgts rank but know what a po should do because the sgt needs to "ENSURE" things get done.
70 is too low. 51/52 is totally unacceptable to be a supervisor even at MacDonalds!! What a joke.
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Your right, but this isn't McDonalds. That is a world class profitable company that has accountability, trains and promotes people that have talent, and has a highly respected management system. So your completely correct. The real clowns work here
58 and failed..didn't study a lick.. don't give a fuck either.
Brad woods "class" is a joke. The First 3 hour class for part two was him reading from the free study guide and talking shit about the test questions. I want my money back. You ripped all of us off.
Guess that means even the dogs will pass there bullshit test. Nothing worse then a dog in blue is a dog in a white shirt. Good luck all lol.
Just food for thought… The current set-up of this test is silly. It offers the same opportunity to test for sgt. in part 2 for those who didn't study and got lucky (with such a low passing score) as those who studied their butts off. Organization wide what sense does this make? Do you want someone who doesn't care and gets lucky to make sgt. or someone who worked at it? How about reserving some merit consideration for those high scorers on Part 1?
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A Psychological Edge
Even though “Dr. Jeff” never made his living playing cards, he did have one “Ace up his sleeve” in going up against professionals and celebrities in the world’s best-known Blackjack Tournament at the time. The Fort Lauderdale resident went into the competition as a licensed Doctor of Psychology. He earned his Masters Degree in Human Resource Management and by 2006 had gained notoriety nationwide as America’s top expert in police promotional and entry level testing.
I got my score today and got an 86. I studied, but not like I should have. Didn't take any of the classes, but did have access to the Bernstein list of orders prior to the department's release of the orders.
"If there are, they will just make them the 1st Deputy within 12 years on the job.
12/16/2013 02:50:00 AM"
They already did that when Luberman was made ADS
Embarrassed to say 63 Should've studied a little bit more.
I was 300 on the last sergeant exam, got the high score in the city on the FTO exam and scored just 75 on this exam
Got a 78. Took the Bernstein Class and it was really the only studying I did. Would not have done as well had I not taken the class. Working harder for part 2, and taking Bernstein's class still.
Part 1 was tougher than a lot of people were expecting....
Anonymous That 5100 Car said...
If this is what happened with the scoring, it is called "Race Norming." The City did this with the 1989 Detective test. I received an 89 and my partner got a 91. He went to Part 2, but I didn't. Called Police Personnel. Without blinking an eye, the girl told me "Oh, you a white male. They cut off for passing is 90." Found out that Hispanics passing was either 80 or 82, and blacks were 70 to go to Part 2.
During a class action suit some years later, the City flat out lied and said they didn't do this. I tried to find my letter from way back, but couldn't. Lawyers wanted it to show that they did Race Norm for that test.
12/15/2013 05:02:00 PM
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THe lawsuit was Majeske v. City of Chicago (2000).
1989 Det. Test
o 3392 took written, of which the city wanted 650 to take oral. Of the 650, there were not enough minorities, argued the city. Therefore the “races” were separated (white, black, Hispanic) and the top 17% of each race were selected to take oral. Cutoff scores then became: white (82), Hispanic (79), and black (73). 619 ended up taking oral.
64 were to be promoted.
• 42 in rank order (does not say what race these were)
• 22 out of order (18 black, 4 hispanic)
• 26 merit (also not sure what race)
o Arbitrator ruled the merit was OK, but “out of rank order” violated the collective bargaining agreement. City responded by promoting 37 more det. in rank order.
So this is the new breakdown, I could be wrong though:
• 42 in rank order (does not say what race these were)
• 22 out of order (18 black, 4 hispanic)
• 26 merit (also not sure what race)
• 37 after arbitration (so, even though the arbitrator rejected the “out of rank order” promotions, the city promoted them anyway.)
• 127 TOTAL PROMOTED. (Of these, 90 were in rank order. So the 37 were added to this, which probably included the original 22 “out of rank order” and 15 merit. Just a guess).
• P’s had to pay city’s costs of $38K. (City won this case).
CHECK OUT WHAT BERSTEIN IS DOING WITH YOUR MONEY:
In 2006, Dr. Jeff Bernstein gained fame in the world of Blackjack when he outlasted a field of 40 contestants to win half a million dollars in the nationally televised World Series of Blackjack at the Las Vegas Hilton. Bernstein’s triumph came in the third installment of the nationally televised series. It was the first World Championship for an amateur, as the previous two seasons had been dominated by MIT Blackjack Team member Mike Aponte and Las Vegas pro Ken Einiger.
A Psychological Edge
Even though “Dr. Jeff” never made his living playing cards, he did have one “Ace up his sleeve” in going up against professionals and celebrities in the world’s best-known Blackjack Tournament at the time. The Fort Lauderdale resident went into the competition as a licensed Doctor of Psychology. He earned his Masters Degree in Human Resource Management and by 2006 had gained notoriety nationwide as America’s top expert in police promotional and entry level testing.
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I think Jeff was a student at the Cobra Kei dojo with a roundhouse kick like that!
Here's the link....
http://youtu.be/VLAu0Xh0wX0
a 6th grade cps student could pass the test in 1986
a 4th grade cps student could pass part 1 of the last sargent test
Took Bernstein for part 1&2. Part1 test kicked my ass, but I passed. A 65 is nothing to brag about, but it would have been a 50 without the class. Hoping part 2 class will give me the extra points I need!
The lowest score I have see that passed is 56 and that a white guy if that matters this is legit no bs
Sweep Brads leg Dr Jeff, then follow up with another flying front kick. Aragato Sensei
I went to Bernstein for my Lts exam. Worked for me
As a joke, my brother (we're twins, but he's not a cop- not gonna say what he does for a living, cuz some people know us) asked me for the site with the G.O's.
He studied his ass off at his job, he doesn't do much.
I send him on test day convinced he won't pass. He says he kept his head down, just gave a nod to a couple people he thinks probably knew me but did the ol' keep walking like he was too serious to chat. Registered, found a seat, took the test.
My screwball brother got a solid decent score (I can't say or I'll give myself away), but he passed!
Now he's pissed because I am not about to take part two.
He knows he can't pull off the same okeydoke twice because it takes more than study but he says I still owe him dinner.
I love this job. Who says you can't have fun anymore.
52 out of a possible 100. Did not pass! M/4
As a joke, my brother (we're twins, but he's not a cop- not gonna say what he does for a living, cuz some people know us) asked me for the site with the G.O's.
He studied his ass off at his job, he doesn't do much.
I send him on test day convinced he won't pass. He says he kept his head down, just gave a nod to a couple people he thinks probably knew me but did the ol' keep walking like he was too serious to chat. Registered, found a seat, took the test.
My screwball brother got a solid decent score (I can't say or I'll give myself away), but he passed!
Now he's pissed because I am not about to take part two.
He knows he can't pull off the same okeydoke twice because it takes more than study but he says I still owe him dinner.
I love this job. Who says you can't have fun anymore.
12/16/2013 11:18:00 PM
You need a real life. All the lies here are sickening.
I score a 68.73 and did not pass. I also didn't study as I normally do for a big exam.
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