Voting Day for Pensions
- Gov. Pat Quinn Monday championed a landmark pension-reform deal and vouched for its constitutionality as he and legislative leaders frantically prepared for what the governor called “the most important fiscal vote” lawmakers will ever make.
The House and Senate were poised for Tuesday votes on a package designed to rescue Illinois from its $100 billion pension crisis, but it seemed clear hours ahead of that expected action that the votes would be extraordinarily close despite an aide to Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, saying the “end is in sight.”
The adrenaline-packed day, which even included at least one political dirty trick aimed at Quinn and sympathetic Republicans, was likened by some to “World War III” because of the fierce combat going on out of public view.
This bill does not affect Chicago Police or Fire Pensions. However, Rahm has stated in no uncertain terms that it will be used as a framework, model or road-map to "reform" Chicago's equally disastrous situation.
And to that end, we certainly hope that the rumor in our comment section about the FOP President, Board of Directors and lobbyist not being in Springfield today is only that - another in a series of false rumors begun by opposition candidates in the upcoming election.
And to that end, we certainly hope that the rumor in our comment section about the FOP President, Board of Directors and lobbyist not being in Springfield today is only that - another in a series of false rumors begun by opposition candidates in the upcoming election.
Labels: pension
posted by SCC at 5:31 AM
169 Comments:
Rahm has no legal right to change our pensions WTF Why Doesn't FOP Shields Capparelli Sue the city and make the Rham pay into our pension!!!
FLOP Endorses Rham and Quinn for Re-election just watch and see No wonder we're screwed
I'm reading all the bullshit about how this legislation doesn't include us and that's why Shields isn't going downstate. Is this guy so fucking dumb that he doesn't realize the impact it could still have on us? I also thought we were part of the we are one coalition. Nice show of support for our union brothers and sisters.
Guess it's not one of his priorities. The fop board meeting must be more important to his reelection plans. WTF
Keep working hard you assholes. Keep bringing in "the numbers". If we can't stick together then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
How does this affect the suburban brotherhood
Funny how these fucking dummycrats break the law by not funding the pensions and instead of paying a price for it they just change the law.
All you goofs that are public employees and vote democrat and are effected by this, good for you. You get what you vote for.You also are gonna get fucked by obamacare. Keep voting Dummycrat. IDIOTS.
I sure hope that the rumor of Shields and his minions is indeed false. This is the most significant action yet that could affect the quality of life of our retirements.
Why not just end the double and triple dipping for political hacks? Only "allow" one pension. Why should so many be allowed to drain the system?
For the record everyone here thinks that Donahue is our only lobbyist. You are all incorrect. Mark O'Toole who work's for the law firm FORAN, O'TOOLE & BURKE are actually our lobbyist for FOP 7. He is well respected and been representing us for some time now. Mike Shields is way out of his league in Springfield and has no clue which legislative branch is on what side of the Capitol. Mark O'Toole is our lobbyist and something we should be aware of Officers.
I'm surprised that they have time for something like pension reform.
Isn't there pending legislation to allow gay and transexual Puppies to marry each other. I thought they would be working on that first.
Even though, at face value, this wouldn't affect CPD and CFD you know very well Rahm will take any pension "reform" and run with it. He'll try to bend us over more than the state is trying to do to their retiree's.
From the Fire-Side
I'm happy Rahm is celebrating about Illinois pension reform. I would be the first to sign up for what the state workers are getting. Let's see, I get 1.5% simple interest COLA from age 60 to 80, the "reform" state pension gets 3% COMPOUNDED on a portion of their salary then 1.5-3% simple interest on he rest of their salary. They have to wait from 1-5 years for their COLA to kick in while I have to wait up to 10 years, then my COLAs stop at age 80. None of our members have ever gotten compounded interest, ever. They also pay 1% less into their pension funds bringing them down to 5-7% of their salary while I pay 9.125%. Our average retirement age is 57.8 years old, obviously guys that retire at age 50 are few and far between, making us work longer won't fly because of maximum age limits on our job and the current average age of retirement is already high. Keep celebrating Rahm because when you try to use the states reform plan as a blueprint, you are giving the Chicago Firefighters a very nice increase! The STATE LAW has the city by the balls, don't fall for any of the scare tactics. Most of the negative posts on here aren't even from firemen, but from Rahm's spin machine.
The FOP hired gun Donahue better be down there earning his 75,000 a year job he was gifted. If he is not there Shields should fire him. Someone should ask him how he voted on the Park District Pension Bill.
Did you notice that our elected reps in Springfield have not ever read the 500 page bill they are voting on? Sounds like the meter deal & Obamacare all over agin.
Also, they ignored the employees totally. Madigan strikes again!@!
It will affect us no doubt,rahm and the criminal crew are licking their chops waiting to hurt first responders! The casino bill for Chicago will fly through as soon as pension passes, so they can use that money not to fund pensions but to fill family and friends pockets! Wish Zach Fardon new U.S. Attorney steps up big time indictments for the elected criminals and the Daley crime empire need to be dished out!
On another note in some other threads read about the unit union rep giving out free tickets to Christmas parties, for the retirees, I called fop to ask for free tickets but was told to "see the rep" think about all the units and fop buying 10 tickets to each not attending just letting reps give them away as the working copper pays her/his share! Another waste right mike?
Yes, and the federal bankruptcy judge in Michigan ruled that pensions are not exempt from bankruptcy . That dooms the retired city employees in that city to a pension of less then50% of what they were entitled to. And, there is a prominent law firm in Chicago which is advising that each pension fund stands alone and when it is out of cash it is out of cash with no obligation for the city to keep it going. The federal judge said that the unions were a " stone wall" in Detroit , something which influenced his decision. Bad times on the horizon in this country for government employees. And, we will not get any sympathy from the citizens who feel the pensions are too generous.
I love how that always spin the public against us. Threating to raise taxes to pay for our earned modest pensions when the problem isn't the public servant workers, its the thieving politicians.
Ot: but I thought Scc would enjoy Rahm and the anti-2A's slap down in this link:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20131116/ISSUE07/311169996/chicagos-gun-violence-isnt-indianas-fault-rahm#
Update, and it's official: JUDGE: DETROIT ELIGIBLE FOR IMMEDIATE BANKRUPTCY PROTECTION, DETROIT TO REMAIN UNDER BANKRUPTCY COURT PROTECTION, JUDGE SAYS
As somewhat expected - though hoped against by many Detroit union workers - Judge Steven Rhodes appears to have confirmed Detroit is eligible for bankruptcy protection (after pointing out that the city's accounting was accurate and it is indeed insolvent) making this the largest ever muni bankruptcy.
JUDGE RHODES SAYS HE WILL ALLOW PENSION CUTS IN DETROIT'S BANKRUPTCY, DETROIT JUDGE: NOTHING SEPARATES PENSIONS FROM OTHER DEBT
The city will now begin working toward its next major move - the submission of a plan to re-adjust its more than $18 billion in debt - including significant haircuts for pension funds (possibly 16c on the dollar recovery) and bondholders. With Detroit as precedent, we can only imagine the torrent of other cities in trouble that will be willing to fold.
Federal judge ruled today that Detroit is eligible for bankruptcy and pensions aren't protected as they are under state law. See how Rahm plays that one. Not good.
the short answer is.....any legislator who votes for this should be run out of office....there are ways to save the pension system, but this is not one of them....
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
It will not seem all that bad, but this is only the camels nose. Once they violate the state constitution and the people do nothing it's Katie bar the door.
They will never stop increasing contributions, reducing benefits and pushing back retirement age.
The “reason we’re here today ... is because the Illinois pension systems are just too rich to be afforded as the state goes forward,” Madigan said.
That statement says it all!!!
Meanwhile this is all a game to the politicians...to take from the worker bees to give to the freeloaders.
"...Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan, who has been in the legislature since 1971, called current pension benefits "too rich" for the state to afford, saying there "must be change."
Change House leadership. Change Democrat controlled out of touch entitlements and deadbeat giveaway programs, eliminate pork and frivolous state agencies.
PAY WHAT YOU OWE - then reform policies you've failed to upkeep for the past 40 yrs.
Say what you want, Rahm holds the trump card. It is called bankruptcy. The judge in the Detroit case just commented that Detroit should have filed years earlier. The pensions will be cut drastically now.
All Rahm has to do is find a friendly bankruptcy judge. Shouldn't be hard to do in Chicago. Just think of all the money the advisors, banks and the like would make off a chicago bankruptcy. It could be in the billions.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-obama-uncle-20131203,0,6070702.story
We all know what the outcome of this story is going to be
O.T.
Are there any CPD motor clubs that are selling or borrowing timing lights? 57 Chevy, stock engine.
Tiny Dancer did a twirl of joy when he read this. Lets; hope the pension plans fight it and win at a higher level.
Judge rules Detroit may reduce pension benefits as part of bankruptcy case
Pensions & Investments
By: Christine Williamson
Published: December 3, 2013
Detroit was officially deemed bankrupt by Judge Steven W. Rhodes in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Detroit on Tuesday, according to a court news release.
Mr. Rhodes also ruled that Detroit may legally reduce public pension benefits under Michigan state law.
After a two-week trial to establish the city's eligibility for protection under Chapter 9 municipal bankruptcy code, Mr. Rhodes agreed with Kevyn D. Orr, Detroit's state-appointed emergency manager, that the city should receive protection from lawsuits or other actions that could get in the way of reducing debt and cutting pension benefits.
Mr. Orr filed the city's bankruptcy petition on July 18, listing debts totaling about $18 billion, including a combined $3.5 billion of liabilities for the $3.4 billion Detroit Police & Fire Retirement System and $2.77 billion Detroit General Retirement System.
“Under the Michigan Constitution, municipal pension rights are contract rights. Therefore, because the State of Michigan authorized the filing of this case, municipal pension rights in Michigan can be impaired in this bankruptcy case, just like any other contract rights,” according to a summary of Mr. Rhodes' ruling in the court release.
Illinois has the nation's worst-funded state pension systems.
Story: Some lawmakers frustrated by pension reform inaction Legislative leaders announced the agreement last week. The bill would cut benefits for workers and retirees and raise the retirement age. It's opposed by labor unions, who say it's unfair and unconstitutional
Things are not looking good for us.
Obviously you ate not the police mr . Retire at 60. It's one thing to be in a classroom teaching. A whole other doing police work and answering police calls. It's for young guys and girls.
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
By law police must retire by age 63. Hmmm over 63 is too old and under 60 is too young. I'm guessing you Rahm staffers and police haters haven't really thought this one through. After you have your way, I hope it's an old broke down coo or firefighter that your life and safety depend on.
Not a rumor, Mike and Mark are at 1412 W.Washington Blvd. they are at the all important Board meeting arguing about Bill Dougherty being dumped from the FOP office as a field rep. They would never have dreamed of moving the Board meeting so that they could go to Springfield for the most important vote in 20 years. Priorities them and their income first. Sorry to say we, our contract and pension are not even a blip on Mike, Bill and Marks radar.
Anonymous Me Bobbo said...
Why not just end the double and triple dipping for political hacks? Only "allow" one pension. Why should so many be allowed to drain the system?
12/03/2013 09:00:00 AM
So, it's okay if three different guys work the minimums to attain these three pensions, but it's not okay for one guy to work the minimums to attain these pensions?
Those three pensions will still be paid out, whether it's to three people, or to one. Unless your name is RIchard M. Daley, of course.
Say what you want, Rahm holds the trump card. It is called bankruptcy. The judge in the Detroit case just commented that Detroit should have filed years earlier. The pensions will be cut drastically now.
All Rahm has to do is find a friendly bankruptcy judge. Shouldn't be hard to do in Chicago. Just think of all the money the advisors, banks and the like would make off a chicago bankruptcy. It could be in the billions.
Not as easy as it seems. Chicago still has a property tax base that can be increased. Chicago still has an option of a city income tax and other means of raising funds plus it has an income producing downtown area.
Comparing Chicago to Detroit is ridiculous
Detroit neighborhoods looked like Hiroshoma the day after they dropped the bomb on it
Lets not forget the judge also said this regarding the pensions
The city says pension funds are short by $3.5 billion. Anxious retirees drawing less than $20,000 a year have appeared in court and put an anguished face on the case. Despite his finding, Rhodes cautioned everyone that he won't automatically approve pension cuts that could be part of Detroit's eventual plan to get out of bankruptcy.
Anonymous said...
Say what you want, Rahm holds the trump card. It is called bankruptcy. The judge in the Detroit case just commented that Detroit should have filed years earlier. The pensions will be cut drastically now.
All Rahm has to do is find a friendly bankruptcy judge. Shouldn't be hard to do in Chicago. Just think of all the money the advisors, banks and the like would make off a chicago bankruptcy. It could be in the billions.
12/03/2013 01:24:00 PM
Oh yeah? You think that is it? He files BK and cuts our pensions and we take it in the ass and oh well, that is that. That is it? Sure it is. You think he has the trump card? I don't think so.
Looks like they really want to take the police back to the days of peonage. People wake the fuck up. Politicians are in bed with corporations. Thanks to Citizens Untied vs Federal Election Board, they now wield more influence than ever before. Now, look it up and see who funds Citizens Untied. Get use to the taste of poverty and indentured servitude as we race towards a two class plutocracy.
All of those "independent" think tanks that are lobbing for pension reform, do a little research and see who funds them, then see if you still want to vote for the party of big business.
Well, here come the lawsuits. The rich, entitled politicians have now voted to diminish our pensions.
We're fucked!!!
How did CPD Court Sgt. Deni Carli /Il. house of Rep for the southwest side and (hand picked by alderman Ed Burke) vote today on the pension?
STATE OF ILLINOIS
NINETY-EIGHTH
GENERAL ASSEMBLY
HOUSE ROLL CALL
FIRST SPECIAL SESSION
SENATE BILL
Y Drury
Y Dunkin
Y Durkin
Y Evans
Y Farnham
Y Feigenholtz Y Manley
Y Fine
Y Flowers
N Ford
N Fortner
N Franks
Y Gabel
N Martwick
N Mautino
N Mayfield
Y McAsey
Y McAuliffe
N McSweeney
N Meier
Y Burke,Daniel
Y Golar
Y Burke,Kelly
P Gordon-Booth
N Mitchell,Bill
N Cabello
Y Cassidy
N Cavaletto
Y Chapa LaVia
N Harris,David
Y Moylan
Y Harris,Greg
Y Mussman
N Cross
Y Currie
Y D'Amico
N Davidsmeyer
N Jackson
Y Davis,Monique
N Jakobsson
N Davis,William
N Jefferson
N DeLuca
Y Jones
Y Demmer
N Kay
N Halbrook
N Hammond
N Harms
N Moffitt
N Morrison
Y Hatcher
N Hays
Y Hernandez
A Hoffman
Y Hurley
N Ives
Y Nekritz
Y Osmond
N Phelps
N Pihos
N Poe
N Pritchard
Y Reboletti
N Reis
N Riley
N Rita
Y Kifowit
E Kosel
Y Lang
Y Leitch
N Lilly
Y Sullivan
Y Mitchell,Christian
Y Tabares
Senate Bill No. 1
Y Althoff
N Barickman
N Bertino-Tarrant
N Haine
N Forby
N Lightford
Y Radogno
N Frerichs
N Link
Y Raoul
N Luechtefeld
Y Rezin
Y Biss
N Bivins
Y Brady
N Bush
NV Clayborne
P Collins
Y Connelly
N Cullerton, T.
Y Jones, E.
Y Mulroe
N Righter
N Rose
Y Sandoval
Y Silverstein
N Koehler
Y Muñoz
Y Kotowski
Y Murphy
Y LaHood
N Noland
Y Landek
Y Oberweis
Y Harmon
P Harris
P Hastings
N McCann
N Holmes
N McCarter
Y Hunter
Y McConnaughay
Y Stadelman
N Hutchinson
Y McGuire
Y Jacobs
Y Morrison
Y Steans
N Sullivan
Y Syverson
NV Trotter
Y Van Pelt
Y Mr. President
N Manar
Y Martinez
"Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?"
12/13/2013 12:13:00 PM
Thanks for your input Rahm...
Now be a good boy and release the actuarial data regarding Chicago Policemen and Firemen and their mortality rates.
The same actuarial data the city has insisted on sitting on for more than 20 years because it might cast Police and Fire in a sympathetic light...
You'll have the answer to you question once the city shares the actuarial data in the spirit of full disclosure so that an adult conversation about "retirement at 50" can be had without the need to gin up public sentiment against people doing a job that everybody else swears is easy and doesn't take years off your life.
ANSWER: >Crickets...<
Oh by the way...
Fuck You.
Anonymous said...
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Ok, then when you call for a policeman to fight with and/or chase down thugs that just assaulted you, we will send the 60 year old crew. That's what you want right?
VOTE OUT EVERY One of these Bastards that so much as Touch Our Pensions. EVERY Single One.
In reply to the gentlemen who wants to raise the police retirement age to 60, how about you have to work 29 years, not 20.Bet u don't agree with that old man!
Eliminate Gold Braid Payoff Pensions. Civil Service Rank Only for Pension. End the Corruption.
JUDGE RHODES SAYS HE WILL ALLOW PENSION CUTS IN DETROIT'S BANKRUPTCY, DETROIT JUDGE: NOTHING SEPARATES PENSIONS FROM OTHER DEBT
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He also wrote about how Michigan did not were not Constitutionally guaranteed by Michigan's Constitution - this would be different from Illinois.
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If you do not know your rights, you do not have any!
and police officers, firefighters, first responders, worked all of their lives, devoted their lives, for.....what?
These are the fop endorsed candidates from last election. Let's see how they voted. Did we also give their campaigns financial support.
LEGISLATIVE
*Antonio Munoz Senate, 1st District
Daniel Biss Senate, 9th District
John Mulroe Senate, 10th District
Emil Jones III Senate, 14th District
Bill Cunningham Senate, 18th District
*Iris Martinez Senate, 20th District
Dan Kotowski Senate, 28th District
Dan Burke State Rep, 1st District
*Edward Acevedo State Rep, 2nd District
Luis Arroyo State Rep, 3rd District
Ken Dunkin State Rep, 5th District
Ann Williams State Rep, 11th District
Sara Feigneholtz State Rep, 12th District
Greg Harris State Rep, 13th District
Kelly Cassidy State Rep, 14th District
John D’Amico State Rep, 15th District
Lou Lang State Rep, 16th District
Bob Martwick State Rep, 19th District
Mike McAuliffe State Rep, 20th District
Al Cacciottolo State Rep, 21st District
Mike Madigan State Rep, 22nd District
Marlow Colvin State Rep, 33rd District
*Sandra Wortham “Rec” State Rep, 34th District
*Richard Wooten “Rec” State Rep, 34th District
Elgie Sims “Rec” State Rep, 34th District
Fran Hurley State Rep, 35th District
Kelly Burke State Rep, 36th District
Maria “Toni” Berrios State Rep, 39th District
Debra Mell State Rep, 40th District
Angelo ‘Skip’ Saviano State Rep, 77th District
Camille Lilly State Rep, 78th District
Here are the senate votes
Y Radogno
Y Althoff
N Barickman
N Bertino-Tarrant N Haine
Y Raoul
N Luechtefeld Y Rezin
N Forby N Lightford
N Frerichs N Link
Y Biss
N Bivins
Y Brady
N Bush
NV Clayborne
P Collins
Y Connelly
N Cullerton, T. Y Jones, E. Y Mulroe
N Righter
N Rose
Y Sandoval
Y Silverstein
Y Cunningham
N Delgado
N Dillard
N Duffy
N Koehler Y Muñoz
Y Kotowski Y Murphy
Y LaHood N Noland
Y Landek Y Oberweis
Y Harmon
P Harris
P Hastings N McCann
N Holmes N McCarter
Y Hunter Y McConnaughay Y Stadelman
N Hutchinson Y McGuire
Y Jacobs Y Morrison
Y Steans
N Sullivan
Y Syverson
NV Trotter
Y Van Pelt
Y Mr. President
N Manar
Y Martinez
Here are your house votes
Y Acevedo
Y Andrade
Y Anthony
Y Arroyo
N Beiser
Y Bellock
N Berrios
N Bost
Y Bradley
N Brady
N Brauer
N Brown
N Rosenthal
Y Sandack
N Scherer
Y Schmitz
Y Senger
Y Sente
N Sims
N Smiddy
N Smith
N Sommer
N Sosnowski
Y Soto
N Stewart
Y Thapedi
Y Tracy
N Tryon
Y Turner
N Unes
Y Verschoore
Y Walsh
Y Welch
Y Wheeler
Y Williams
Y Willis
Y Yingling
Y Zalewski
Y Mr. Speaker
Y Drury
Y Dunkin
Y Durkin
Y Evans
Y Farnham
Y Feigenholtz Y Manley
Y Fine
Y Flowers
N Ford
N Fortner
N Franks
Y Gabel
N Martwick
N Mautino
N Mayfield
Y McAsey
Y McAuliffe
N McSweeney
N Meier
Y Burke,Daniel Y Golar
Y Burke,Kelly P Gordon-Booth N Mitchell,Bill
N Cabello
Y Cassidy
N Cavaletto
Y Chapa LaVia N Harris,David Y Moylan
N Cloonen
Y Conroy
N Costello
Y Crespo
Y Harris,Greg Y Mussman
N Cross
Y Currie
Y D'Amico
N Davidsmeyer N Jackson
Y Davis,Monique N Jakobsson
N Davis,William N Jefferson
N DeLuca Y Jones
Y Demmer N Kay
N Halbrook
N Hammond
N Harms
N Moffitt
N Morrison
Y Hatcher
N Hays
Y Hernandez
A Hoffman
Y Hurley
N Ives
Y Nekritz
Y Osmond
N Phelps
N Pihos
N Poe
N Pritchard
Y Reboletti
N Reis
N Riley
N Rita
Y Kifowit
E Kosel
Y Lang
Y Leitch
N Lilly
Y Sullivan
Y Mitchell,Christian Y Tabares
MISSING SPECIAL-NEEDS 17 year-old BOY IN CHICAGO
Picture:
http://yaakovsinfo.blogspot.com/2013/07/aneinu-missing-person.html
Missing 17 year old, special-needs Akiva Magill. Will give a false name and age. Hangs around Starbucks, Walgreens, Apple Store, Library or homeless shelter. On foot, has no means of transportation. Missing since SUNDAY, DECEMBER 1, 2013 from Rogers Park neighborhood. If you see him, call 911, CPD at 312-747-5789 or email HelpUsFindHim2013@gmail.com
O.T.
Are there any CPD motor clubs that are selling or borrowing timing lights? 57 Chevy, stock engine.
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CPD Gears Club. The website is almost done.
Or check out EBay. There are plenty listed some under $15
They use a lot of rhetoric about Illinois taxpayers as if I am not a taxpayer. And by george so are all of my union co-workers.
There is a guy on this board who posts his football picks. He bits big. At first I thought he was full of shit. Well his Monday Night Football pick was right on the money; under 47 and he won.
Anonymous said...
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Now that's what you call sharing responsibility! We retire later and save the state some money. Our victims and FD patients wait a little longer for our old legs to climb stairs (no more running) and stop their old man from battering them (on his own accord of course because 60 is a bit old for fighting) and don't mind getting dropped by a 60 year old medic losing grip on the stretcher. That's the spirit!
To 09:31, very well stated I hope the police received what the state is going to get as well. I was born after 1955 so I will never see 3.5 cola. Other than the increase in retirement age that is a better deal than we are getting right now. If Rahm insists on pension reform we should insist we are on parody with the state.
At the FOP Board meeting today Shields is paying Dougherty $2000 a month even though he no longer works in the office. Nice work if you can get it. Thanks Mike.
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Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
Because that is what we were promised the day we rose our right hand and promised to protect you and your families ass idiot!!
Mike Shields announced at the FOP Board meeting he is bringing Marlon Harvey from the Mounted Unit in as a Field Rep. to earn Captains pay. Marlon is a nice guy but I'm not sure what he brings to the table.
Why is Carol Marin of Channel 5 News jiggling her head around in such a giddy manor as she gleefully tells us the pension vote in Springfield is a done deal? She appears more excited than if she won the lottery. It doesn't matter to her if families are hurt by this decision.
Hey snake Madigan how does this effect "dirty little Richie" Daley's three pensions? Did you work that out too and while we are at it how many political hacks from your ward did you take care of so they really didn't get hurt by your thieving ways?
It was the deal agreed upon, and the state politicians were the ones who wrote and approved it all in the 80s and 90s.
Now the economy has changed and suddenly then state doesn't want to devote funds to sustain their contribution once again. It would require cutting in other areas.
You watch- the same will happen now in every city and pension fund if this crap is allowed.
I hope our unions prevail in court. If not we are done. Because these people will keep attacking our pensions.
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Try doing this job till you're 60 fuckface.
If Rahm tried to file bankruptcy or cut our pensions to something like 50 cents on the dollar, time to take matters into our own hands. The hands that hold the guns. This is not funny anymore. I am not going down like that while these politicians earn millions.
Mike Shields main objective has always been pensions. Now that the State has dealt with there Pensions we can see how the city deals with ours. Mike Shields opinion and voice will not even be heard when the Mayor and City Council decide how to deal with us. Shields has no chance with Rahm. Mike Shields saved the the city 20 million dollars by not getting paper work in for our contract. 20 million dollars is quiet alot of savings for the City. Our Pension is in trouble and the way the State dealt with there pensions is a road map for the City to take and Rahm will screw us. So did our FOP President Mike Shields. Do not re elect Shields. He is the a devil in sheep's clothing and he is running around in his underwear.......
I bet if the city files bankruptcy there will still be money for link and other entitlement programs but not for pensions. Time for a Revolution my friends. Let the politicians and citizens protect themselves from the criminals and us if they are not careful.
Sgt class starting Monday, will use them for window detail over Christmas and Navy Pier on New Years. one issue why they want them to stay at PO status till after December is so they can't sell back bfds and pdays at sgt pay rate. Also they want them out there with ppos and if they are sgts they would get the .75 hours time each day. HR will extend training long enough to prevent paying them as sgts.
CNBC just had a news segment on the Detroit bankruptcy. A judge ruled that retired city employees pensions should be treated the same as any other general obligation. That means pensioners are taking a haircut.
Rahm may love to try this tactic here, but Chicago still has plenty of commerce , unlike Detroit. It may happen here in 30-40 years..but I'll be dead by then.
Voted for the bill. Rep. MCAULIFFE and Sen. Mulroe.
I can hear Tutu now, "massive concessions or bankruptcy, take your pick". Detroit ruling seems to set the base although it will appealed up the ass.
Anonymous said...
Funny how these fucking dummycrats break the law by not funding the pensions and instead of paying a price for it they just change the law.
All you goofs that are public employees and vote democrat and are effected by this, good for you. You get what you vote for.You also are gonna get fucked by obamacare. Keep voting Dummycrat. IDIOTS.
12/03/2013 08:26:00 AM
Republican members voted for this too. Read the voter roll.
Hey SCC
OFF TOPIC:
A motion that was introduce at Tuesday's Board Meeting by Retired Police Officer Bill Burns regarding a 90 day grace period for Retired Officers to pay a set fee for past dues in arrearage for the privaledge of joining the FOP again as a member in good standing was voted down.
A roll call vote was called and each board member present voted yea or na. The motion failed.
What really pissed me off was the way Rich Aguilar went on about fairness to those who have been paying their dues since retiring.
Well, that is true there are those who have paid since retiring, however, would it not serve the FOP wisely to allow those retired PO'S to regain their loss of FOP membership while helping the FOP financially going forward by the collection of those fines and future dues??
We all make bad decisions in life, hell, a good number made mistakes Re-electing Rich Aguilar to the current board.
Please SCC, would you inquire and print the results of the Board Members vote on this motion so all of the membership can see how retiree's stand with this board.
Stop the grandstanding Rich, you'll be retired very soon and I hope this treatment never happens to you.
Don't forget where you came from???
Thank you SCC
To 938am: Donahue was in Springfield. Why wasn't Shields?
Donahue voted in opposition to the park district bill, but it would take some reading for you to figure that out. Apparently something that's beyond your comprehension.
I was at the Fop board meeting today and Mike Shields was there. I'm retired, Mike claims he has the retirees backs, but how come he wasn't down in Springfield protecting union pensions.
Coppers and firemen complain about Madigan,but keep electing him. Goofs!!
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
This job is physically demanding.. the body breaks down, I have had 5 different surgeries from injuries. would you rather have a 30 yr old show up on scene when you are getting battered or a 55-63 year old... not That we can't do the job, but it's a young body's job dealing with the physical nature of this job
I guess the sgt union deal looks pretty good now doesn't. Everyone should apologize to all that voted yes and for the ones that voted no, great job. We are all about to get screwed!!!
I am so tired of the talk regarding the plight of Chicago and "Detroit". Detroit was a 1 industry town and when the auto and steel industry went kapootz so too did the workers, residents, and quality of life. Chicago is NOT.
Chicago lost its' steel industry and the population demographic changed on the Southeast side of Chicago was the result. You can see the after math in the 4th and 5th Districts. The rest of the City went unaffected. If anything, the Southeast side is open land and ripe for another industry.
Chicago now skims from the property taxes and slushes about 650 million dollars a year into a TIF fund that is used to reward the loyal Democratic businesses and Aldermen. This money belongs in the General fund and not in a Democratic Holiday Piggy Bank.
How much does Chicago's Sanctuary Status cost the City? Fair question if we are discussing bankruptcy and cutting pensions for senior citizens...Maybe close to say at least $500 million on the low end annually. Have you seen the UNO schools lately? Wowser. This is only one wasteful liberal program.
The city will never file bankruptcy because it CAN'T. It has still too much revenue to cry poor. The TIFS and Sanctuary $ would have to be disclosed.
If Rahm does not want to be fiscally responsible and raise taxes to cover the bills his people generate and that are gobbled up in the urban jungle, because of an asinine campaign promise, then so what. That's on him and his Napoleanic finger waving management style.
I congratulate FOP and Shields on being part of the PENSION effort that causes the city to pay their $600 million dollar fair share payment in 2015 and so on.
I congratulate FOP and Shields on amplifying the mistake that Jimmy Ade and the Sgt's union almost made, in contract negotiations, eventually getting it voted down 9 to 1.
I am not happy about the "letter" debacle but I can see that our pensions are way more important that a 2% retro check. What good will a $1000 check do me when I have to work an extra 5 years. Smell the coffee?
If you personally don't like Shields that is your problem. I have yet to see another candidate more learned on our pension issues than Shields. This is the ball game people!
The arbitrator will ultimately decide our contract regarding benefits and schedule of pay. The last contract sucked and so did the one prior, so will this one. But it will be enough to keep pace and get me closer to retirement.
So stop acting like dummies and pay attention to the pension.
I stopped in the fop gift shop today and walked through the fop hall and observed shields and crew enjoying a huge buffet brunch. Laughing and joking with no worries in the world. Bunch of handjobs!
Www.firstresponderpensionfacts.com or follow them on face book. It will keep you up to date on pension legislation.
Look at who voted for it all the Chicago Democratic Legislation.
Keep voting and look up your guys. They vote against your values. Vote them out!
Judges and legislators aren't included in this? Shocking they made sure not to fuck themselves
Mark Donahue and Bill Dougherty's hand picked State Representative from the 19th ward Fran Hurley voted for pension reform and against labor today. So Mark Donahue could not lobby one single representative today. Mark and his band of followers have screwed us for 12 years now.
Although this bill had nothing to do with Chicago Rahm will use it as a blueprint for future reform bills.
Thanks Mark for nothing.
Madigan for another 42 years! He's are man.
Which legislators are POs and FFs? How did they vote?
Anonymous said...
I stopped in the fop gift shop today and walked through the fop hall and observed shields and crew enjoying a huge buffet brunch. Laughing and joking with no worries in the world. Bunch of handjobs!
12/03/2013 08:34:00 PM
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Did you happen to see the Angelo and Dougherty people there? Because I was told that they were there too.
Although Billy is back on an a beat care after 12 years of the good life his followers were trying to do a SECRET BALLOT to continue to give Billy D5 pay for an additional 3 months. Now this is second hand but I heard that Shield's at least made all of the votes roll call votes. No secret deals for Billy to get another 30k of our money. So it failed. After 12 years of D5 pay he needed a handout?
Could someone who was there please post the votes for who wanted to give Billy Dougherty(screw a vet today?) 30k of our money? And any other votes they held today on any other bills.
I think all of the votes should be roll call votes and posted to the website within two business days!
Anonymous said...
Voted for the bill. Rep. MCAULIFFE and Sen. Mulroe
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I like your post however, Mcauliff has a 28 year old INDO/Pak named Mohammed Khan running aginst him. He's insulated, because no family valued Republican Christian will vote for Khan. That's how the combine works.
Just vote Shields out and Cortes in. That's the game plan.
Hey SCC
OFF TOPIC:
A motion that was introduce at Tuesday's Board Meeting by Retired Police Officer Bill Burns regarding a 90 day grace period for Retired Officers to pay a set fee for past dues in arrearage for the privaledge of joining the FOP again as a member in good standing was voted down.
A roll call vote was called and each board member present voted yea or na. The motion failed.
What really pissed me off was the way Rich Aguilar went on about fairness to those who have been paying their dues since retiring.
Well, that is true there are those who have paid since retiring, however, would it not serve the FOP wisely to allow those retired PO'S to regain their loss of FOP membership while helping the FOP financially going forward by the collection of those fines and future dues??
We all make bad decisions in life, hell, a good number made mistakes Re-electing Rich Aguilar to the current board.
Please SCC, would you inquire and print the results of the Board Members vote on this motion so all of the membership can see how retiree's stand with this board.
Stop the grandstanding Rich, you'll be retired very soon and I hope this treatment never happens to you.
Don't forget where you came from???
Thank you SCC
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I was at the meeting today. Please get your facts straight. The motion was to postpone Burns' report. This matter was already handled by the Board to allow retirees back into the FOP once all past dues are paid. Whose zooming who?
We all know that Mulroe s a POS. But McAullife, his father Roger must be turning over in his gave. Roger was the one who got the retirement age down to 50 from 55. Here they both represent areas of huge Police/Fire . McAuliffe sleeps with the Police Haters O'Connor and Mulroe. Every time you see McAullife in a picture, you see O'Connor and Mulroe. Fuck all of them. Vote them out of office.
I'm a Sgt. And shields had nothing to do with the debacle Ade tried to pass off as a good deal. That deal was slammed as a piece of crap with in 5 seconds of it being unveiled. Shields is a lap dog piece of crap that bought McStreet light assassin a gift. Lied to his members a about sending the letter for months until he couldn't anymore. Even though he was told to send it. His secretary wrote the letter and he still didn't do it. Then He fires her to cover it up.
All I can say is. I will have my raise in January and a retro check. I would be pissed if I were still a PO
Rahm has his people trolling and posting goofy shit about raising the minimum retirement age to 60.
Funny... Mandatory retirement is 63.
That's that Dr. Ari Emanuel population control/eugenics-shades of Dr. Josef Mengele bullshit talking...
What's this crazy shit these fuckers are fixated on about holding Policemen hostage until they're too old and physically/mentally/emotionally ruined to enjoy the fruit of their labors after 20 to 40+ years of service?
These "smarter than everybody else" m/fers keep trying to overlay the corporate model over Policing.
It will never be done...
Well... Not until you totally redefine what Policing is and what Policemen are...
Hence you have the fucked-up state of affairs in this city.
016 District Section 8 said...
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Try doing this job till you're 60 fuckface.
12/03/2013 06:48:00 PM
I did it until I was 62 Mr Fuckface. Are you a pussy or something? I worked a beat car until age 62. I was going to stay until 63 but didn't need to and I had shit I wanted to do. It wasn't in the ghetto by that time but it was still in a blue/white Tahoe on a beat. I carried a .45 and was carbine qualified. Back in the day the retirement age was 55. It is again. So fucking what?
Anonymous said...
How did CPD Court Sgt. Deni Carli /Il. house of Rep for the southwest side and (hand picked by alderman Ed Burke) vote today on the pension?
12/03/2013 04:48:00 PM
Hey goof she is not in Office as a State Rep anymore she is back at CPD. Good lady as well and do me a favor and go back to your Mom's Basement.
why is the shields puppet 9th district unit rep, going around badmouthing cortes, deangelo; and Dougherty telling anyone who would listen there personal business,he must be scared his master shields is going to lose!
McAuliffe & Mulroe voted yes.
As a constituent, their vote certainly wasn't in my best interest.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes, and the federal bankruptcy judge in Michigan ruled that pensions are not exempt from bankruptcy . .
12/03/2013 10:55:00 AM
The reason that Detroit pensions are not exempt from the bankruptcy filing is that Michigan does not have their pensions protected by their state constitution. Please try to become informed on the subject matter before posting.
Quinn Sucks
"CHANGE"
Shithead Shields and the little fat boy Ade better not give 5 cents political money to any legislator or senator that voted YES today.
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Ok, then when you call for a policeman to fight with and/or chase down thugs that just assaulted you, we will send the 60 year old crew. That's what you want right?
There are po's on the job that couldn't and have not done that on the job since they came on in their 20's
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
1) How much productivity will u get out of a 60 year old? foot chases? traffic stops?
2) I want to retire early and work on several pensions like mayor Daley and other politicians.
3) Not everyone made 17 million in a hedge fund merger like Rahm did.
Just pay your bills state of Illinois and city of Chicago
As I have said before anyone 50-55 with enough time on the job better leave while you can, or else you will be staying until 60.. The writing is on the wall..
Why is legal for the State of Illinois / City of Chicago not to pay their share of pension funding for the last 30+ years? We pay our share every paycheck. If I worked in the private sector and paid my share of social security taxes, but my employer did not. PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING TO PRISON THE FIRST YEAR OF NON PAYMENT.
mccawthy was on wgn talking about the historic lows in crime rates since he came to town.
so there, you see? we chicagoans don't need all you 6 figure salary and pension cops riding around in cars looking for the next poor innocent minority to put in jail.
What's wrong with a force of about 1 or 2 thousand unarmed monitors to write down observations of mostly white people so they can all get their violation notices in the mail.
Meanwhile, with all the revenue and savings the city could triple services for things that help the poor like rental assistance, new basketball courts, Ipads for all the poor kids so they can all go to college.
You cops are just mad because civilized societies don't need you anymore. And we're not just gonna pay you to eat and sleep and hurt people when we've all figured out better things to do with the dividend windfall of a Obama revolution!
WHOSE STREETS? OUR STREETS!!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sgt class starting Monday, will use them for window detail over Christmas and Navy Pier on New Years. one issue why they want them to stay at PO status till after December is so they can't sell back bfds and pdays at sgt pay rate. Also they want them out there with ppos and if they are sgts they would get the .75 hours time each day. HR will extend training long enough to prevent paying them as sgts.
12/03/2013 07:05:00 PM
Right, because the City might save a few thousand dollars. Probably the cost of five Safe Passage signs.
ill vote for mohhamed khan. fuck it. send a message
Where is the money indeed? Illinois has 2,425,256,758 public employees, pension is 50.9% funded. California has 7,500,146,538 public employees, pension is 78.0% funded. Where did all that money go, just open the books to the people of Illinois and let us take a look.
Hey SCC
OFF TOPIC:
A motion that was introduce at Tuesday's Board Meeting by Retired Police Officer Bill Burns regarding a 90 day grace period for Retired Officers to pay a set fee for past dues in arrearage for the privaledge of joining the FOP again as a member in good standing was voted down.
A roll call vote was called and each board member present voted yea or na. The motion failed.
What really pissed me off was the way Rich Aguilar went on about fairness to those who have been paying their dues since retiring.
Well, that is true there are those who have paid since retiring, however, would it not serve the FOP wisely to allow those retired PO'S to regain their loss of FOP membership while helping the FOP financially going forward by the collection of those fines and future dues??
We all make bad decisions in life, hell, a good number made mistakes Re-electing Rich Aguilar to the current board.
Please SCC, would you inquire and print the results of the Board Members vote on this motion so all of the membership can see how retiree's stand with this board.
Stop the grandstanding Rich, you'll be retired very soon and I hope this treatment never happens to you.
Don't forget where you came from???
Thank you SCC
Thanks for your input Rick King but all you and Burns are trying to do is stir the pot in hopes of getting Mike re-elected. Hes done and so are you Rick. Go find Bear.
Anonymous said...
Funny how these fucking dummycrats break the law by not funding the pensions and instead of paying a price for it they just change the law.
All you goofs that are public employees and vote democrat and are effected by this, good for you. You get what you vote for.You also are gonna get fucked by obamacare. Keep voting Dummycrat. IDIOTS.
12/03/2013 08:26:00 AM
Hey fuck face! Everybody could vote republican in this entire fucking city and state and democrats will still get in!! EVERYTHING in this city/state is corrupt, but voting is legit?? No fucking way, they put in who they want! If they don't playball they get indicted or " voted out!"
Signed, A Republican
Sgt class starting Monday, will use them for window detail over Christmas and Navy Pier on New Years. one issue why they want them to stay at PO status till after December is so they can't sell back bfds and pdays at sgt pay rate.
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Damn son . . .
Stop smoking crack before you type.
I congratulate FOP and Shields on being part of the PENSION effort that causes the city to pay their $600 million dollar fair share payment in 2015 and so on.
Shields had nothing to do with the ARC Bill that was passed. This is why we are in trouble because of uninformed stupid voters like yourself.
I would be pissed if I were still a PO
In case you didn't notice Sarge, we are. Shields is history.
Its not just Rahm that is responsible, the majority of blame falls on Daley who probably never made a pension fucking payment in his fucking 20 years in office. All pension payments probably went straight into the TIF funds!
Me Bobbo said...
Why not just end the double and triple dipping for political hacks? Only "allow" one pension. Why should so many be allowed to drain the system?
12/03/2013 09:00:00 AM
Exactly!!!
Its amazing more state and city workers in the 19th and 41st ward and Hurley and McAullife voted for the bill. Mulroe also. He constantly votes liberal, against Police for gay rights etc. Vote all these assholes out, they fucked us.
Saviano gone, next McAullife.
No vote by Sen. Tim Bivins shouldn't be unexpected, former Dixon cop. Good guy. Wish he was running for Gov.
Oberweis.......fuck his milk...
Altoff..........HVAC...use blankets
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Hey troll:
You are an Asshat. There's many solid reasons that CPD and CFD can retire at age 50. Since you obviously are neither apparently you wouldn't understand.
VOTE OUT EVERY One of these Bastards that so much as Touch Our Pensions. EVERY Single One
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So when's the last time you Didn't Vote Democrat????
When has FLOP ever endorsed a Republican???
*Detroit is coming .16 Cents for every pension dollar you expected to be paid
FLOP is a waste of time and Dues
When will FLOP March
-Never Ever Ever
We need the Wrecking BAll
Between 1995-2005 CPS employs paid 100% of their pension obligations. The City of Chicago paid 0% of their obligations. If the City paid their share the pension fund it be 90% funded as of today. Who is the problem; teachers or the City of Chicago?
I bet if the city files bankruptcy there will still be money for link and other entitlement programs but not for pensions. Time for a Revolution my friends. Let the politicians and citizens protect themselves from the criminals and us if they are not careful.
12/03/2013 07:04:00 PM
Umm you must be talking about the corporate entitlements that pensions are taking a hit for?
From Crains...., “In the past 24 hours, much of the state's business community has come out in favor of the bill as the best that can be done at the moment. But opposition continues to surface on both sides of the aisle, with not only liberals such as U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Evanston, and Lt. Gov. Sheila Simon opposed, but Paul Schimpf, the GOP candidate for Illinois attorney general, saying he thinks the measure is unconstitutional.
Meanwhile, amid all of the pension maneuvering, watch for something possible on corporate headquarters and incentives. As reported yesterday, a bill to give edge credits to Archer Daniels Midland Co. to move its headquarters to Chicago is awaiting a vote by the full Senate.
There's also another bill giving similar breaks to OfficeMax, which this morning cleared a Senate committee.
And, in the House, yet another bill was introduced, granting the ADM and OfficeMax breaks — as well as others. As now written, it also includes a 5 percent tax on satellite TV, arguably to pay for the corporate perks.”
Yeah, the entitlements. Sure.
If you personally don't like Shields that is your problem. I have yet to see another candidate more learned on our pension issues than Shields. This is the ball game people!
...So stop acting like dummies and pay attention to the pension.
12/03/2013 08:26:00 PM
Where is Lappe? Was he in Springfield? Shields is FOP president not on the pension board. Mike Lappe is the person whose elected to work on our pension.
By not voting in favor of a 3 month amnesty, for retirees to re-join the FOP without penalty, Bill ( thank a vet ) Daugherty, Agu liar, mumbles DiMaria and the entire city wide team, have once again proven, that they are anti retiree. They didn't even bring Steve Robbins to hide behind.
Anonymous said...
FLOP Endorses Rham and Quinn for Re-election just watch and see No wonder we're screwed
12/03/2013 06:23:00 AM
Who cares who FOP endorses. You have your own mind, vote for who YOU want to vote for!!!
I did it until I was 62 Mr Fuckface. Are you a pussy or something? I worked a beat car until age 62. I was going to stay until 63 but didn't need to and I had shit I wanted to do. It wasn't in the ghetto by that time but it was still in a blue/white Tahoe on a beat. I carried a .45 and was carbine qualified. Back in the day the retirement age was 55. It is again. So fucking what?
Congrats Officer...I certainly hope to not troll "the blog" when I am retired. Go out and enjoy life sir.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Between 1995-2005 CPS employs paid 100% of their pension obligations. The City of Chicago paid 0% of their obligations. If the City paid their share the pension fund it be 90% funded as of today. Who is the problem; teachers or the City of Chicago?
12/04/2013 03:54:00 AM
The City got a pension holiday from the Teacher's Union. In exchange, the teachers got numerous consecutive 7% raises. And the union president got essentially an exempt pension. The exempt portion, above the teacher's pay, was paid for by Daley. Who do you owe your allegiance to? The teachers or Daley who just gave you a $100,000 plus pension.
So the teachers got a number of 7% raises paid for with their own pension money. It wasn't paid into their pension fund, it was paid directly to teachers in the form of raises. So really, they were and are collecting pension funds early. How will the pension funds calculate that when the day of reckoning comes? Pension money paid out as salary.
That was another of that genius Mayor Daley's whiz kid financial moves. Daley must have looked at Detroit and thought he could do worse, and he did.
And brother Bill, big shot banker, big shot commerce secretary, presidential chief of staff, has this mentally retarded brother for mayor of Chicago and Bill declares him a great Mayor.
That moron would bankrupt a lemonade stand. He had absolutely no business being in charge of the finances of a large American City. The man is just plain stupid. Lot's of people are glad of that, they got to loot the City treasury.
Anonymous said...
Between 1995-2005 CPS employs paid 100% of their pension obligations. The City of Chicago paid 0% of their obligations. If the City paid their share the pension fund it be 90% funded as of today. Who is the problem; teachers or the City of Chicago?
12/04/2013 03:54:00
Yes, true enough, but with the agreement of the teachers union and the teachers so they would get a bigger raise and better benefits. So who is to blame here?
The reason that Detroit pensions are not exempt from the bankruptcy filing is that Michigan does not have their pensions protected by their state constitution. Please try to become informed on the subject matter before posting.
12/03/2013 10:40:00 PM
And YOU call me uninformed? Really? You are totally wrong. Michigan was the model that Illinois used to write its constitution in 1970 to protect pensions. Yes, Michigan does have the same exact wording in its constitution that Illinois has to protect pensions. Michigan has long been the leader in protecting the rights of public employees. Most of the arbitrators of public sector grievances came from Michigan as they had the first law to allow public sector union contracts. Get a grip and read up on what is coming. The federal judge in Michigan clearly quoted the Michigan constitution in his decision and stated that the state constitution does not trump federal law. this matter will end up at the US Supreme court.
Anonymous said...
016 District Section 8 said...
Raise the minimum retirement age to 60. Why allow police and fire to retire at 50?
12/03/2013 12:13:00 PM
Try doing this job till you're 60 fuckface.
12/03/2013 06:48:00 PM
I did it until I was 62 Mr Fuckface. Are you a pussy or something? I worked a beat car until age 62. I was going to stay until 63 but didn't need to and I had shit I wanted to do. It wasn't in the ghetto by that time but it was still in a blue/white Tahoe on a beat. I carried a .45 and was carbine qualified. Back in the day the retirement age was 55. It is again. So fucking what?
12/03/2013 10:20:00 PM
Let me guess. Twice divorced. Kids hate you. Alcoholic with high blood pressure. Bad arthritis. But hey you have million dollars in bank because you worked everyday for 40 years, they had to tranquilize you and drag you out of station. You would work till you dropped dead writing a parking ticket. Yeah big fuck you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes, and the federal bankruptcy judge in Michigan ruled that pensions are not exempt from bankruptcy . .
12/03/2013 10:55:00 AM
The reason that Detroit pensions are not exempt from the bankruptcy filing is that Michigan does not have their pensions protected by their state constitution. Please try to become informed on the subject matter before posting.
12/03/2013 10:40:00 PM
If anyone should be informed before posting it is you. You are 100% wrong when you say their pension was not protected by the Michigan state constitution. It was. Below is an exert from an article on the judges ruling
Despite the state of Michigan's constitutional guarantee of public pensions, Rhodes said Detroit pensioners cannot legally be treated differently than other creditors. Pension cuts for retirees and city employees could be part of the final plan of adjustment.
Yes, and the federal bankruptcy judge in Michigan ruled that pensions are not exempt from bankruptcy . .
12/03/2013 10:55:00 AM
The reason that Detroit pensions are not exempt from the bankruptcy filing is that Michigan does not have their pensions protected by their state constitution. Please try to become informed on the subject matter before posting
Hey informed one. Now I will CORRECTLY inform you about your statement and state law. Read the below paragraphs from the judges ruling and you will see that the state constitution protected the pension, but he said the federal bankruptcy law takes precedent
judge, Steven W. Rhodes, dealt a major blow to the widely held belief that state laws preserve public pensions, and his ruling is likely to resonate in Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and many other American cities where the rising cost of pensions has been crowding out spending for public schools, police departments and other services.
The judge made it clear that public employee pensions were not protected in a federal Chapter 9 bankruptcy, even though the Michigan Constitution expressly protects them. “Pension benefits are a contractual right and are not entitled to any heightened protection in a municipal bankruptcy,” he said.
Recently decided that despite Michigan's state constitution which, like our's protects public pensions, Detroit will be able to modify or discharge its pension obligations to retirees. This my friends is very ,very, scary for us. Chicago or Illinois might try to go down this same road and screw us out of our pensions by claiming poverty. we must do everything in our power to prevent this from happening.
The pension crisis was created by the politicians and now they came to our rescue and low and behold they saved us from the crisis
The ONLY Thing the politicians in this state have to save us from is THEMSELVES.
Anonymous said...
Not a rumor, Mike and Mark are at 1412 W.Washington Blvd. they are at the all important Board meeting arguing about Bill Dougherty being dumped from the FOP office as a field rep. They would never have dreamed of moving the Board meeting so that they could go to Springfield for the most important vote in 20 years. Priorities them and their income first. Sorry to say we, our contract and pension are not even a blip on Mike, Bill and Marks radar.
12/03/2013 04:02:00 PM
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Bullshit. Mark was there. Wife is with CTU. She was there and talked to him. Her impression was all show no substance.
That being said he did not change one vote and was sucking up to Madigan's staff all morning.
Hey SCC
OFF TOPIC:
A motion that was introduce at Tuesday's Board Meeting by Retired Police Officer Bill Burns regarding a 90 day grace period for Retired Officers to pay a set fee for past dues in arrearage for the privaledge of joining the FOP again as a member in good standing was voted down.
12/04/2013 12:41:00 AM
Could someone list the names of those who voted against this? What's wrong with strength in numbers?
Anonymous said...
Where is the money indeed? Illinois has 2,425,256,758 public employees, pension is 50.9% funded. California has 7,500,146,538 public employees, pension is 78.0% funded. Where did all that money go, just open the books to the people of Illinois and let us take a look.
12/04/2013 12:39:00 AM
I know you're pissed,but you added too many people.
The reason that Detroit pensions are not exempt from the bankruptcy filing is that Michigan does not have their pensions protected by their state constitution. Please try to become informed on the subject matter before posting.
12/03/2013 10:40:00 PM
You are so wrong my friend, please become better informed before you criticize someone for not being better informed. Read the federal judge's opinion. It stated that pensions are a contractual obligation that is not entitled to "heightened protection", that is the protection provided by the state's constitution which is considered the strongest state constitution in the country protecting pensions. The wording in Michigan's and Illinoi's constitution are virtually the same. The floodgates are opened and will be opened even further if this ruling is upheld on appeal.
Where is Lappe? Was he in Springfield? Shields is FOP president not on the pension board. Mike Lappe is the person whose elected to work on our pension.
Good question. Why has the pension board and our elected pension board members been so quiet. You would think that they werent even involved in this.
The silence is deafening
@ 12/03/2013 10:20:00 PM
GFY Tuff-Guy O'Toole...
Your kind can be spotted a mile away.
Yeah, you're so tough you stayed until you were 62 because you jumped into some side pussy at 55 and had a kid and your old lady got wind of it.
Can you even sleep in your own house? Or are you scared the old lady is finally going to smother your tuff-guy ass in your sleep?
Fuck you, you salty old vinegar soaked fuck...
You left when you felt like it so everybody else can leave when THEY feel like it.
Who stepped off the floor to go take a shit and left YOU in charge?
There is nothing I have read about the STATE Politicians suffering any reduction in their Pensions!Did I miss it , or can someone out there enlighten me about the Pension plight of our elected officials? It would be best if a Politician answered my question .
Mike Mccaulif voted yes for this Bill? Wasn't he a Police officer at one time?
03 Dec 13 2130hrs I cannot believe these treacherous ,2 faced Politicians voted this way . Lousey F**k weasels. Being retired , I have plenty of time on my hands, and I will devote it to getting these Rat Ba**ards unemployed!
One big difference between Chicago and Detroit, is that Chicago, is far from being bankrupt. Rahm is spending money like a drunken sailor.
At the FOP Board meeting today Shields is paying Dougherty $2000 a month even though he no longer works in the office. Nice work if you can get it. Thanks Mike.
Anonymous said...
Mike Shields announced at the FOP Board meeting he is bringing Marlon Harvey from the Mounted Unit in as a Field Rep. to earn Captains pay. Marlon is a nice guy but I'm not sure what he brings to the table.
Mike you sure got your way again you spoiled little brat, you got three elected members sitting out in the districts and paying each of them big money and brought in three more people who the membership never voted for. Let's see 3 more Captains salaries and then the cost of our elected members sitting in the wind, can you tell us how much this is costing us? Just a simple guess 3 x $150,000.00 comes to #450,000.00 and then add another 3 x 24,000,00 that is $72,000.00 so that you will not pout or cry that someone is staring at you.
Do you really care it is not your money right, does not sound like you are showing any fiscal responsibility. John, Sid, and Bill all voted in by the membership and do to your childish manners booted all of them out and of course you still have to pay them.
A motion that was introduce at Tuesday's Board Meeting by Retired Police Officer Bill Burns regarding a 90 day grace period for Retired Officers to pay a set fee for past dues in arrearage for the privaledge of joining the FOP again as a member in good standing was voted down.
A roll call vote was called and each board member present voted yea or na. The motion failed.
What really pissed me off was the way Rich Aguilar went on about fairness to those who have been paying their dues since retiring.
Well, that is true there are those who have paid since retiring, however, would it not serve the FOP wisely to allow those retired PO'S to regain their loss of FOP membership while helping the FOP financially going forward by the collection of those fines and future dues??
We all make bad decisions in life, hell, a good number made mistakes Re-electing Rich Aguilar to the current board.
Please SCC, would you inquire and print the results of the Board Members vote on this motion so all of the membership can see how retiree's stand with this board.
Stop the grandstanding Rich, you'll be retired very soon and I hope this treatment never happens to you.
Don't forget where you came from???
Thank you SCC
Get your facts straight the motion was tabled and all past retirees have always been granted reinstatements, As previously stated Shields is trying to court the retirees and this attempt to discredit anyone is more bullshit.
I have continued to pay my dues as a retiree and I am able to vote in the upcoming FOP election.Ten years retired.... $400.00 paid. Thank you very much!
As a retiree I do not think it is fair that a 'White Shirt" or a brother in a blue shirt, that did not keep up his membership, should be allowed to rejoin without paying a "back" dues.
The FOP instituted a policy under the guide of the Late Great Tom Skelly in which these older guys and gals were allowed to return to the membership for a small amount that would not "crush" there pocket book.
The two men at the FOP board meeting that stood up to this are right in doing so.
I sure hope you remember the three State Reps
From the NWSide that voted yes. Moylan who was
A Electrian BA, Martwick who will be in a tough race
And McAuliffe, and Bradley who is married to Cindy Santos. Remember these names in November.
Mr. "I Retired At 62, Anybody Who Retires Before 60 Is A Pussy" is full of shit...
Why are you people so hard-on for keeping old coppers around past their sell by date?
Make up your fucking minds!
Twenty years ago you idiots were crying about how OLD Chicago Coppers were!
"CPD IS OLDEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE NATION" is how we remember some of the headlines.
Hence retirement at 50 instead of 55...
Now you people are squirting jag-off juice all over yourselves about "Why allow Coppers to retire at 50?"
WTF?
Make up your minds all fucking ready!
Tom Skelly, was against fining retirees, for re-joining the FOP. Stuttering Bill, Rich Agu liar, and Jim, the taper, Moriarity, led the effort to defeat this fair, and just motion. The City Wide hillbillies, have always been anti-retiree.
T.Henry Lynch said...
There is nothing I have read about the STATE Politicians suffering any reduction in their Pensions!Did I miss it , or can someone out there enlighten me about the Pension plight of our elected officials? It would be best if a Politician answered my question .
12/04/2013 06:48:00 PM
The "pension reform bill" recently passed does not cover judges or elected officials, just state employees.
addendum !. no person in a state or mun funded pension may receive more than 99999 per cal year. fk the retirement age no more hundred thousand dollar pensions. make that change you'll see
Mike Shields announced at the FOP Board meeting he is bringing Marlon Harvey from the Mounted Unit in as a Field Rep. to earn Captains pay. Marlon is a nice guy but I'm not sure what he brings to the table
All in favor of this motion:
Rich Aguilar N
Dean Angelo Jr. Y
Mike Burke Y
Bill Burns Y
John Cappereli Y
Terry Collins Y
Sid Davis N
Frank Dimaria N
Dennis Doherty Y
Pat Duckhorn Y
Dan Gorman Y
Kevin Graham N
Anna Hanley Y
Al Jaglowski Y
Rick King Y
John Lipka N
Jim Moriarty N
Tim Moriarty Y
Tim Murphy N
Dan Shields Y
Mike Shields Y
Ron Shoegran Y
Dan Stover N
Mike Underwood Y
Dan Travino Abstain
Bill Dougherty Abstain
Fernando Flores Abstain
Apparently the above board members along with our President have failed to hear the motion passed at the last meeting and ignoring the members to satisfy their own agendas. This move will now cost the members more money.
Anonymous said...
Tom Skelly, was against fining retirees, for re-joining the FOP. Stuttering Bill, Rich Aguliar, and Jim, the taper, Moriarity, led the effort to defeat this fair, and just motion. The City Wide hillbillies, have always been anti-retiree.
Keep up your lies, your hopes and dreams of courting the retirees keep in mind, any retiree who has had hardship or has sought reinstatement has been readmitted to the FOP. Also keep in mind we are talking of only very few members who have sought reinstatement. The purpose of your lies are to create more votes to win the election for Shields. At the board meeting even the retirees could see what was going on. I being one of them, remember a lot of us retirees have children and friends still on the job and we have seen what you have done while being in your position. You will be voted out Shields and your minions.
I would not be surprised if someone does not propose a constitutional amendment regarding pensions be placed on next November's state elections. It can be done, first by petition and then approved by the legislature. That would remove pension protections.
Anonymous said...
I would not be surprised if someone does not propose a constitutional amendment regarding pensions be placed on next November's state elections. It can be done, first by petition and then approved by the legislature. That would remove pension protections.
I was under the impression that you could only change the state constitution something like every 20 years
Rahm has no legal right to change our pensions WTF Why Doesn't FOP Shields Capparelli Sue the city and make the Rham pay into our pension!!!
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what judge would have the authority to order such a thing?
the city is not in violation of any state or federal law WRT to the pension mess as best I can tell.
the city pension shortfall is close to $10,000 for each person that lives in the city. the state shortfall is something like $15,000 per person that lives in the state. that means everyone that lives in Chicago owes about $25,000 to state and local government retirees(not including incidental pension debt from Cook County and other governmental units).
you really think that you can extract that much additional tax revenue from already pressed taxpayers?
I was under the impression that you could only change the state constitution something like every 20 years
12/05/2013 05:25:00 PM
You are wrong. There is a movement right now to place a constitutional amendment on next November's ballot
Humm , Mariam Santos was an Angel in disguise that Daley fucked over because she wouldn't let that prick touch our pension. But , that Asshole found a way to set her up and permantetly get her out of Chicago politics. All of the Daley Ass lickers holding their hands out were glad to see here go. Now everyone else is suffering.
Remember prior to 2000 you can work as long as you wanted. The 63 mandatory retirement age was put in place by the Little IP Daley. He wanted to get rid of the highest paid po's so he put this in place. So actually the mandatory retirement age has only been around for a little over 10 years. I do not want to stay until 63 but, I really can give a s?@t if another po wants to stay, it does not make a difference to me.
Anonymous said...
Remember prior to 2000 you can work as long as you wanted. The 63 mandatory retirement age was put in place by the Little IP Daley. He wanted to get rid of the highest paid po's so he put this in place. So actually the mandatory retirement age has only been around for a little over 10 years. I do not want to stay until 63 but, I really can give a s?@t if another po wants to stay, it does not make a difference to me.
12/06/2013 02:12:00 PM
You have no idea of what you are talking about. 63 has been around for at least 50 years and was only temporarily changed in 1983 because of the federal ADEA act that included LOA's That act was later amended and in 1988 the city changed it back to 63. Following is a paragraph from a lawsuit by a CPD retireee that basically explains it Additionally there was a rumor that the city waited from 1986 to 1988 to bring back the age of 63 because Townsend was the 1st deputy and over 63 and would have had to retire if the city implemented it in 1986. He retired a few years later and the law was changed
To fully appreciate the issues in Thompson, it is important to consider the history of the imposition of a mandatory retirement age for Chicago police officers. Prior to 1983, the mandatory retirement age for Chicago police officers was 63. In 1983, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA) was applied to state law enforcement officials. As a result, the mandatory retirement age for Chicago police officers rose to 70 years of age, the maximum age to which ADEA protection applied at that time. In 1986, the United States Congress amended the ADEA to allow state and local governments to reinstitute a mandatory retirement age. In response, the City in 1988, reinstituted a mandatory retirement age of 63 years of age for police officers.
Anonymous said...
I was under the impression that you could only change the state constitution something like every 20 years
12/05/2013 05:25:00 PM
You are wrong. There is a movement right now to place a constitutional amendment on next November's ballot
12/06/2013 09:40:00 AM
You are probably right. They vote on the contitution every like 20 years, but maybe they can add amendments. Only one question about the amendments. Representatives and state senators would vote on amendments, why wouldnt they have added an amendment to change the state law of "not diminishing the pension" if it was that easy. They are being criticised for this vote and by voting for the amendment, they would have taken away any legal challenge
Just asking
Anonymous said...
I was under the impression that you could only change the state constitution something like every 20 years
12/05/2013 05:25:00 PM
You are wrong. There is a movement right now to place a constitutional amendment on next November's ballot
You are right, I was wrong, they can add an amendment. But it is harder to than a majority vote of the legislature. Both the state house and senate have to aprrove it by 3/5 vote, put it on the ballot and 3/5 voters who vote on the amendment have to approve it or the majority of the voters that voted in the election
SECTION 2. AMENDMENTS BY GENERAL ASSEMBLY
(a) Amendments to this Constitution may be initiated in
either house of the General Assembly. Amendments shall be
read in full on three different days in each house and
reproduced before the vote is taken on final passage.
Amendments approved by the vote of three-fifths of the
members elected to each house shall be submitted to the
electors at the general election next occurring at least six
months after such legislative approval, unless withdrawn by a
vote of a majority of the members elected to each house.
(b) Amendments proposed by the General Assembly shall be
published with explanations, as provided by law, at least one
month preceding the vote thereon by the electors. The vote on
the proposed amendment or amendments shall be on a separate
ballot. A proposed amendment shall become effective as the
amendment provides if approved by either three-fifths of
those voting on the question or a majority of those voting in
the election.
(c) The General Assembly shall not submit proposed
amendments to more than three Articles of the Constitution at
any one election. No amendment shall be proposed or submitted
under this Section from the time a Convention is called until
after the electors have voted on the revision or amendments,
if any, proposed by such Convention.
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