Angelo Strikes a Conciliatory Tone
The previous administration spent time sucking up to Rahm (cufflinks), supporting Rahm's candidates (PAC money and not supporting cops), making astounding accusations, endangering the very existence of the FOP ("rigged" contracts) and blaming everyone except the people in charge (see Bill's screed in the latest newsletter).
Angelo tries a different approach - appear reasonable:
Angelo tries a different approach - appear reasonable:
- The newly-elected president of the Fraternal Order of Police said Thursday he wants to chart a new course with Mayor Rahm Emanuel and urged the mayor to put a retroactive pay hike back on the table as a show of good faith.
Dean Angelo Sr., a third-generation police detective on disability, said he has fences to mend and bridges to build after the tumultuous tenure of Mike Shields, who was removed from office after making the explosive charge that the last two police contracts dictated by an independent arbitrator were “fixed” in the city’s favor and that the recent sergeants contract arbitration may also have been rigged.
One of the bridges he hopes to build leads to the mayor’s office. Shields was a constant thorn in Emanuel’s side.
Rahm already holds the "act reasonable" ground, so it might be a good strategy to join him there before pushing a bit harder to make him appear unreasonable. It might not - Rahm has "smarmy populism" down to a science - he got Clinton elected after all and was Obama's Chief of Staff. But he's also an arrogant jagoff and a mean petty little man, and if that can be exploited somehow, the cops (and firefighters and teachers) will look better in the long run.
We hate to say this, but there's nothing to lose by trying this approach for a little while as everything back at the Hall undergoes the transition phase.
We hate to say this, but there's nothing to lose by trying this approach for a little while as everything back at the Hall undergoes the transition phase.
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
114 Comments:
"Rahm has "smarmy populism" down to a science..."
...and has obviously gotten pointers from fellow Winnetka-ite Bruce Rauner, "bird hunter, Harley rider" extraordinaire, who put on clodhoppers and Carhartt stuff and ran from here clean to Cairo playing "man of the people."
Shame neither of 'em ever got wrapped around a runnin PTO but they never stood still long enough...
"..urged the mayor to put a retroactive pay hike back on the table as a show of good faith..." -- SCC
"DIE! DIE!" shrieked Mayor Propeller Head as he repeatedly slammed a steak knife into that very table..
Leopard, spots, don't change, etc.
No it's not a good strategy. The point of a union president is to be a thorn in the side of the opposition/city. I know Scb rallied for Angelo and you got what you wanted. A person on disability who doesn't know shit about what we are facing on a daily basis. No I'm not shields supporter.
Gas Bag
Nothing Nothing will Change but Dean's power and his son's
FLOP continues to take our dues and do what???
NOTHING
Hey Deano start by cutting FLOP Board Members salaries
No it's not a good strategy. The point of a union president is to be a thorn in the side of the opposition/city. I know Scb rallied for Angelo and you got what you wanted. A person on disability who doesn't know shit about what we are facing on a daily basis. No I'm not shields supporter
*Amen We're Doomed "The Be Nice Strategy" Don't be fooled Dean is cutting deals for Dean Family
Can't believe this was our only choice I work and cant stand the BS fof FLOP
Dean, stay the professional course. The membership will not tolerate the circus and inter fighting among board members. Your off on the correct road. Give it your best.
Thank You
Rahm will like Dean for no other reason than height.
Rest in peace Kevin. Thanks for what you taught me while we worked together, especially the part about the ungrateful city that we serve.
Good luck with that.
DEALS
Will be made without the POs welfare in mind
Former Chicago cop pleads guilty to bribery read it Tribune
The sick fuks we work with and Gee not a hair gel either
Of course the fix was in on previous contracts. That's the way the city works. That's the way the city has always worked.
At least they will be eye to eye. As predicted it only took one day to start burning Disability Dean.Trying to meet with 9.5 will never happen. It all looks good on paper and the news but won't happen and DD will blame 9.5 and the cycle starts all over again.Get the office organized first and try to get the inside haters out or straighten out.
Anonymous said...
No it's not a good strategy. The point of a union president is to be a thorn in the side of the opposition/city. I know Scb rallied for Angelo and you got what you wanted. A person on disability who doesn't know shit about what we are facing on a daily basis. No I'm not shields supporter.
4/04/2014 02:26:00 AM
Thanks for your input, Mike!
Even the Russian were nice to the Ukrainians before the invaded.
It cost nothing to be cordial.
But to get a little you still have to give a little.
Just saw this snake on the news saying he is poor and he will die poor but doesn't need money. Is this how he is going to approach our contract negotiations? "The cops have always been poor so they dont need raises".
A thorn in the mayors side. Good idea and we can sit back and wait for arbitrator Benn to decide three yeast later.
First before anything Dean you need to cut all the salaries of the elected.That was your promise.
There's no way to appear reasonable unless you tell everyone you're willing to give something up.
Watch this fucker...... he could be trying to con us all into thinking "reasonable" means giving up on protecting our pensions and healthcare.
This "reasonableness" he may be subscribing to and trying to get us all on board with could be the same old tactic of "don't take it to court, settle outside of court".
We will win in court on pensions...... so don't even think about trying to get us to shit on ourselves by taking cuts to our benefits OR cola..... as it is we get fucked in the ass on COLA at 1.5 percent a year that only starts long after we've already retired.
Angelo has a tough job. He has a large mess to clean up at the Lodge and hurdles to get over not of his making. He deserves our support. Give the man a chance.
We the membership need to be a thorn in Angelo's side. So as to remind him who HE works for. US!
i agree, act professional and bring professionalism back to this job. Give respect until it is no longer deserved
Give Dean a chance ,you are obviously a bitter copper who supported the past president and acting president who didn't do shit!!! You are also probably one of those members who sits back at roll call and rolls his eyes and clears his throat and calls Bullshit under your breath instead of being active in your concerns, also probably has 10 yrs, on the job, is resistance to your Sgts. and crys about it being " YOUR FRIDAY". IF YOU re so negative, maybe another job whould have suited you better, just give the new board a chance to settle in, they may have been the police, or still are, but there are different sets of rules dealing with management. We are not teamster dock workers or truck drivers from back in the day when they unions would approach the boss and say we are not doing a thing until this gets settled. we have clauses and work rules as COPS, grow up and do your part, worry about pensions, paychecks and benefits, fuck a 1 or 2 percent raise that you will pay more taxes on. Look over the horizon, change is coming, it's the new world out there KID!!!
Attention to the ASSHAT who thinks you cannot be dumped back to a patrolmen if you are a detective (AND NO it is NOT A PROMOTION) :
I had the issue clarified and NOW spelled it out in a new department directive entitled:
Removal Process for D-2, D-2A, and D-3 Positions
Now if YOU are a detective I will have you dumped back to a beat car if you are a screw up like I think you are!
GO TO:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
We ll see what happens... Remember what happens when putting your hand in the tiger cage .
the Sgts union is also big on preaching their tact of reasonableness with Rahm,,,,and you might be hard pressed to find a sgt who doesn't believe that Ade and Bilotta climbed in bed with Rahm when they agreed that supporting Rahms pension reform should be part of our contract
Anonymous said...
Gas Bag
4/04/2014 03:38:00 AM
REALLY, THAT'S THE BEST YOU GOT!! I wish Dean a successful term! If he surrounds himself with the right people as Committee Chairpersons and members, removes a couple of snakes, he will be fine! Let's give me a chance!
I want to personally thank the sergeant who got caught using Xerox copies of dollar bills at the local strip house. Dude you really messed up a good thing. They always did us right there. You are so lucky that they didn't have you arrested. Only you thought that it was funny. You weren't joking, you are a cheap a$$.No I'm not giving up his name or the name of the establishment. Everyone who needs to know, already knows.
Got to give it a chance.
First order of business. Justify your inflated salaries. Why do the Board Members need to make 190k a year? This is outrageous!!! Cut your fucking pay ASAP. Don't worry Dean at every meeting I will be bringing it up. Transparency and you better do your fucking jobs! How about a vote of no confidence for this Supt and Mayor. Pretend like you were once police officers with balls instead of whiny school girls. I'm tell you Disability Dean you better get your act together.
elect gary chico for mayor
I want a guy for FOP President who makes the Mayor's face get deep beet red with rage and the veins pop out of his neck. I want the Mayor to spit and sputter in uncontrollable anger when a reporter mentions the FOP President's name. No fucking cufflinks unless they are covered in Ebola virus.
No it's not a good strategy. The point of a union president is to be a thorn in the side of the opposition/city. I know Scb rallied for Angelo and you got what you wanted. A person on disability who doesn't know shit about what we are facing on a daily basis. No I'm not shields supporter.
The point of the union president is to be the representative/face of the union. If by being a thorn in the side you mean being an asshole, we'll that won't work. Ask yourself, who would you rather deal with personally? A raging lunatic screaming at you non stop or a person speaking with you in a reasoned manner?
I love reading you Blog SCC but I think you are way off on Angelo. I see another Shields here a guy with no experience trying to go up against the city. For all Dougherty's faults he did have experience. Angelo hasn't been the police for almost 10 years this job has changed a lot in those 10 year. And rahm is just laughing.
WTF, I voted for you and campaigned for you Dean. I do not like your first interview with channel 7. There is no negotiating on OUR PENSION! I've been working for the last 22 years for this department, I have had hand, shoulder, hip, and back injuries from being injured while performing my duties. I have worked in the ghettos of this city, worked mid nights, holidays, missed family functions and some of my children's birthdays. I have gone to court on my days off. I started out my career with shitty furloughs. I have religiously like every other member paid what I am required to pay into the pension, why have I done and put up with all this shit ? To get my promised, guaranteed and constitutionally protected measly $40,000 a year pension when I retire in four years.
Why does the membership have their pension contribution taken directly from thier checks and not the city? Why is the city allowed to skip and and have been doing so for the last 20 years? We would not be in this situation right now if the city would have been making their pension contributions for the past 20 years. Now we, I are the greedy bad guys? This greedy copper's pension contributions have made it possible for you to collect our disability check just like your contributions made it possible for coppers that came before you to collect a pension.
I rather that your interview have stated that the city should pay the members retro and give them a fair and decent contract. That pensions for current members are NOT negotiable . That the city make that required ballon payment in 2015 to shore up the pension fund and finally demand that the city hire more police officers. That way the citizens get more police service and protection needed and we get much needed new hirees paying into the pension fund. After all of this is done then you can say we are open to pension negotiations on new hirees, but that current police officers are grandfathered in and their pensions CANNOT BE DEMINISHED!
I will be holding you to your campaign promises Dean at union meetings and on this blog.
Lets at least give Angelo a chance. The previous leadership's approach certainly didn't work.
Now Dean is going to feel how the christians felt when they entered the ring with the hungry lions.
Bend over and take it up the A$$ team mates! Seems his name could be on the list of disability deadbeats under investigation and this contract could be the bargining chip he needs to stay out of jail! Seems to me if your working a job on disability you could work here? The feds think so? And why do disability coppers carry weapons if your hurt your main concern is your health not a part time security gig or a different full time job!
OT --
"If you see something you want, just take it."
This is always good publicity.
Saint Laurent Paris store on Gold Coast burglarized
7:21 a.m. CDT, April 4, 2014
"A high-end store on the Gold Coast was burglarized early Friday morning.
"Officers in the Near North District responded to Saint Laurent on Rush Street, in the 900 block, around 2:50 a.m. and found the front window smashed.
"It's not clear how much was taken -- police would only say "a lot." Detectives were still figuring out what was taken before releasing a value.
"No one was in custody."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-saint-laurent-store-in-gold-coast-burglarized-20140404,0,5902226.story
Other news reports said that the windows and cases had been smashed with a baseball bat, and that about $700,000 worth of jewelry, one-of-a-kind designer purses and other items were taken.
Rahm "Propeller Head" Emanuel has lost control of the high-rent, big-spending core of his city.
What was it someone posted here, that west and south side mamas are sending their spawn into the Loop for babysitting, because their own neighborhoods are too dangerous? Ha. A lot of these are hulking teens-verging-on-adults who don't listen to Mama or anyone else.
Just something to do...
When the hell are they going to put a "kill" function on smartphones so that a snatched one will become useless and non-revivable? They keep talking about this, but nothing yet.
It would literally save lives.
I hope Deans right your assessment of rham is right on.
After shields this could be the most watched crew in history! Dean it's our money how about a forensic audit? Dean and the rest we are watching closely, we have cameras and are hoping your for us. Time will tell dean!
it might be a good Idea to try another approach, but in all reality the mayor is going to want something in order to give us back that year, and I for one don't want to give up anything that we have already, it took us to long to get it just give it up for a retro check that they will tax the shit out of before we even get it.
Professionalism and relationships are always important. Angelo can still negotiate for us and refuse to accept certain things without acting in an unprofessional manner, childish, and like a jagoff.
obviously nobody ever told Angelo the old story about the injured Rattlesnake.
OT but does anyone see a correlation between what happened with the CTA train crash and CPD's VRI?
What will happen when some police officer, working all his days off or most of his days off, working CTA, CHA, VRI and/or a part-time job, and finds himself in, let's say a newsworthy incident? Will the powers that be, the media, the politicians take a second look at the manpower shortage and the gobs of overtime officers are working?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cta-changing-scheduling-policy-after-ohare-train-crash-20140404,0,1754523.story
The point of a union president is not to be a thorn in the side of the mayor or a city. It may be at time, and perhaps part of the point for the entirety of Rahm, but the job is much more than that.
You want to see the complete failure of the recent FOP? I'm as fucking conservative as you get, and its still clear as day that the membership should have been mobilized to rally WITH the teacher's union en masse at least several times. Maybe not wearing red shirts or whatever, but in support for contracts and labor and workers generally, and against Rahm and his little banker friends.
Sorta the problem with the macho old boys at FOP. They don't think like labor, they think like clout bunnies trying to get theirs.
You guys are pathetic, stop your bitching and crying. Angelo is by far the best choice between the two, did you really want Dougherty back in that president seat? Why his disibility is even mentioned is ridiculous, the guy has a doctrines degree, he was the police, he has a son on the job and a shit load of police active friends. Give the guy a chance and if he proves us wrong then bitch and complain.
This puts the ball right back into Rahm's court. If he says no then Dean made the attempt. They just adjourned the house in Springfield. Rahm's big labor deal may be falling apart. No one should be making deals until the TRS suit makes thru the courts.
John Q Public reading the paper would think we are the good guys. (which we are) Dean does not get sworn in until Sunday but he is off and running already. If the politicians can stall till after the November elections look for them to do just that.
I think it's a good strategy to start. They got meter maids and cameras for revenue the only way we can be a thorn in rahms side is by standing together and not working any O.T. For the hottest months of the summer. Something that will never happen. Rahm made be a prick but he's a smart ruthless clout heavy prick we do not stand a chance. Give me my pension and my healthcare, I don't care about the rest. If our new contract left everything the same even with out a pay raise I would be happy. You can bash me all you want but I am very realistic. I signed on 22yrs ago I knew exactly what I was getting into with a city job. I've been in patrol my whole career I knew what I was gonna make my whole career and I never got laid off something that doesn't happen in the private sector. So yes we get messed with and it's dangerous for the 20% that aren't dogs and actually work but as a whole I'm very happy with my job and with a GED feel lucky to have. If you think you deserve more then you should send out your resume and look at your options
disability extra special ringmaster of the very big circus that FOP has become.....do not try to pull Retirees with no hope of recovery of their ironclad contracts (60 yrs to natural attrition; back into the FOP as full members! lol& paying full dues, and getting stuck with your using retiree benefits put on the table to win favor with Rahm....the fact that we actually made it to retirement with our hard fought for pensions intact means we will not be sucked into your fight and risk losing it all.....since we are too damn old to start over in the workplace! Back off, and be glad we still pay our yearly retirement dues, and go to the polls and vote for people and legislation to back the working police up....Dean, you kiss the mayors' ass, maybe his people won't out you for working on( your disability knee) full time college job, and Fop trustee job, and whatever else you scam....but don't even think of betraying the real police who retired!
OT --
CTA fires operator of train that crashed at O'Hare -- Chicago Tribune still concealing her name. Why?
12:55 p.m. CDT, April 4, 2014
"The CTA has fired the operator of the train that crashed into the platform at O'Hare International Airport and scaled an escalator, injuring more than 30 people.
"The operator, 25, was issued a termination notice today that is effective immediately, the agency said. It cited the March 24 derailment as the "second of two serious safety violations" committed by her..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cta-changing-scheduling-policy-after-ohare-train-crash-20140404,0,1754523.story
Her name is Brittney Tysheka Haywood.
There.
Rahm is a conniving, his way or the highway type guy. Remember the story where he pointed out members of his party at a dinner and then plunged a steak knife repeatedly into a table exclaiming “Die, Die.” Rahm is psychologically imbalanced and has a napoleon complex. Remember the cussing and childish name calling of the teacher’s union leader? See a pattern here? This guy is in charge. There is no open-mindedness or compromising in his tiny world. He is a control freak and seeks destruction of those who get in his way. Its about the money, the control and the power. Good luck Dean.
I'm confused, is the new president still on disability? If so will he still be receiving disability payments along with his new salary from the FOP?
anonymous said...
No it's not a good strategy. The point of a union president is to be a thorn in the side of the opposition/city. I know Scb rallied for Angelo and you got what you wanted. A person on disability who doesn't know shit about what we are facing on a daily basis. No I'm not shields supporter.
4/04/2014 02:26:00
Smarten up man. The guy's not on disability because he wants to be, like he's some kind of scammer. He has a son on the job and is probably more knowledgeable and involved in the department then you are. It doesn't take a lot to know what's wrong with the department and the city. How much did the last crew running the fop know about what was going on, apparently not very much otherwise we would not be in this situation. Don't sniff glue before posting or you may sound like a tool. Let me explain a thing or two to you about leadership. 1. you work with other people, 2. you compromise, 3. you take care of those you are supposed to, 4. you don't back down, 5. you don't come out of your corner swinging and foaming like a mad man, it makes you look unprofessional and uneducated,6. when it's time to be a prick you'll know it.
Inquiring minds says.....Scum times article indicates that pension baloon payment could be forgiven? Didnt these clowns do that before? Which got us into this mess abd wasnt Angelo associated with that crew of self serving thieves?
To: Dr.Dean Sr.
Good job with the "mending fences."
I don't vote for your disability sad ass, and I most assuredly didn't vote for your son who is a die hard "Shield supporter."
I will watch and speak out about everything you do wrong. However, this is the right thing to start off your Presidency with.
America
NEW GENERAL ORDER OUT !!
Detectives CAN get dumped back to Patrolmen.
Looks like Garry has plans to make the D unit smaller!
NEW ORDER TODAY:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
Regarding the sgt and the strip club. If everyone who needs to know already knows then whyd you post it here dbag. ? .
Think before you type , Chicago teacher union president Karen Lewis was told no more money , guess what
City pays the teachers portion of pension 7% , they received a good pay increase and their last contract teachers received 20% , cpd took 10% , less than shortshanks offered .
Lock everyone up , enforce every ordinance that on the books , remind people it's necessary because of current administration .
Karen Lewis knocked him out twice after he mf'd her.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
WTF, I voted for you and campaigned for you Dean. I do not like your first interview with channel 7. There is no negotiating on OUR PENSION! I've been working for the last 22 years for this department, I have had hand, shoulder, hip, and back injuries from being injured while performing my duties. I have worked in the ghettos of this city, worked mid nights, holidays, missed family functions and some of my children's birthdays. I have gone to court on my days off. I started out my career with shitty furloughs. I have religiously like every other member paid what I am required to pay into the pension, why have I done and put up with all this shit ? To get my promised, guaranteed and constitutionally protected measly $40,000 a year pension when I retire in four years.
Why does the membership have their pension contribution taken directly from thier checks and not the city? Why is the city allowed to skip and and have been doing so for the last 20 years? We would not be in this situation right now if the city would have been making their pension contributions for the past 20 years. Now we, I are the greedy bad guys? This greedy copper's pension contributions have made it possible for you to collect our disability check just like your contributions made it possible for coppers that came before you to collect a pension.
I rather that your interview have stated that the city should pay the members retro and give them a fair and decent contract. That pensions for current members are NOT negotiable . That the city make that required ballon payment in 2015 to shore up the pension fund and finally demand that the city hire more police officers. That way the citizens get more police service and protection needed and we get much needed new hirees paying into the pension fund. After all of this is done then you can say we are open to pension negotiations on new hirees, but that current police officers are grandfathered in and their pensions CANNOT BE DEMINISHED!
I will be holding you to your campaign promises Dean at union meetings and on this blog.
4/04/2014 10:57:00 AM
You are spot on my dear friend. Spot on- "why is it that we get our pension payment deducted automatically but the city doesn't do the same for itself?". That should be on the list of reform- the city should pay into our pension fund every two weeks just like we do.
So now our newly elected FOP President wants to "negotiate" our pensions. How about the city stick by their end of the bargain first? Then we can negotiate in good faith. The city has never, I mean it, never negotiated in good faith. Before the ink is even dry they try to circumvent the contract. The reason is obvious- we allow them to do it each and every single time that is why. If we stuck together then it would not happen.
CTA fires operator of train that crashed at O'Hare -- Chicago Tribune still concealing her name. Why?
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They have a better union.
Tribune does not want to get sued.
>>>Anonymous said...
I want to personally thank the sergeant who got caught using Xerox copies of dollar bills at the local strip house. Dude you really messed up a good thing. They always did us right there. You are so lucky that they didn't have you arrested. Only you thought that it was funny. You weren't joking, you are a cheap a$$.No I'm not giving up his name or the name of the establishment. Everyone who needs to know, already knows.
4/04/2014 09:35:00 AM<<<
That is low...
I always give a sawbuck and ask for change.
Speaking of the right tone, when are we getting the test results?
Rahm is a rotten cocksucker and I don't envy Dean and his new endeavor. Stay strong Dean and don't disappoint those that voted you in.
Anonymous NOT a Promotion said...
Attention to the ASSHAT who thinks you cannot be dumped back to a patrolmen if you are a detective (AND NO it is NOT A PROMOTION) :
I had the issue clarified and NOW spelled it out in a new department directive entitled:
Removal Process for D-2, D-2A, and D-3 Positions
Now if YOU are a detective I will have you dumped back to a beat car if you are a screw up like I think you are!
GO TO:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
REPLY
people forget that when thousand of people take a test that cost million dollars it is a promotion.
Now the fun part the supe can fire anyone.
He can promote a recruit to exempt and fire a dick.
But we live in a world of rules.
You know minorities/ sexism/age-ism/Gayism(not a word)
So if a white shirt wants to demote
someone how can he do it?
Activity?
not really because many dick don't make arrest.
Workload?
No because some dicks only receive 30-50 cases a year and guess what those cases are.
How about attendance?
Not really because you have a right to use your time due.
So all that is left is if a new sergeant wants to tempt faith he will then have to torture the dick by giving him shit jobs.
But the law has a name for that its called a hostile work place.
But Gary is new to the city and believes he is the end all and be all. Let the law department figure it out.
Bill and Rich are gonna make a career of posting shit about Dean now
Measn, petty little man and a one term mayor too.
Removal Process for D-2, D-2A, and D-3 Positions
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Sounds like Ole' Mcneverwasadetective just took his ball and went home with it.. Detective and the other positions are going to be fazed out... Just wait til a Merit hack Sgt. gets a hard on for a Detective that they want to be demoted.. All the Sgt. has to do is start some bad paper on them and then see you at the review panel where they will demote your ass back to the patrol car..! What the fu$@ is the point of having a test, then?
Dont get me started on the dept. (city) being able to cut the detectives back to a beat car because they have " (budget modification, reduction in force initiative, etc.)." aka . Rahm deciding we have to cut back on Dets. because there are too many or they are costing the city too much money! This stinks to high heaven, it's way too subjective!! Here you go disability Dean, stick up for fellow Dets... or do we have no room to "negotiate"....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I want to personally thank the sergeant who got caught using Xerox copies of dollar bills at the local strip house. Dude you really messed up a good thing. They always did us right there. You are so lucky that they didn't have you arrested. Only you thought that it was funny. You weren't joking, you are a cheap a$$.No I'm not giving up his name or the name of the establishment. Everyone who needs to know, already knows.
4/04/2014 09:35:00 AM
My response to you is when I cut you early every night then I'm your best friend. Right? Now go write me an ANOV so we can get outta here tonight. Pixie and Dixie are waiting for me and my charm.
Anonymous said...
I'm confused, is the new president still on disability? If so will he still be receiving disability payments along with his new salary from the FOP?
4/04/2014 01:32:00 PM
You wouldn't be if u paid attention. He is deducting from his presidents salary his duty disability pay.
remember boys n girls.... with or without the FOP, which by the way isnt a union. We are strong, but only if we stick and work together!
from the Sun Times: "...Over the past decade, the City of Chicago has spent more than $500 million on police-related settlements, judgments, legal fees and other costs...."
Am sure removing approval of probable cause and final approval from the Lts tasks will help make this number skyrocket
Anonymous said...
I want to personally thank the sergeant who got caught using Xerox copies of dollar bills at the local strip house. Dude you really messed up a good thing. They always did us right there. You are so lucky that they didn't have you arrested. Only you thought that it was funny. You weren't joking, you are a cheap a$$.No I'm not giving up his name or the name of the establishment. Everyone who needs to know, already knows.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"messed up a good thing". At a strip club. Man that's a sad life that you live.
Is it too late to appeal the ruling on Rahm's residency requirements to be mayor of Chicago?
The new directive just doesn't seem right. A field detective will be the one getting demoted or a K9 officer with a dog on the street will go, but the 8 CMO officers and office staff will stay.
Re: NOT a Promotion said...
That order is part of the lawsuit the city settled with Daley's detail they got their pay and a settlement they can't reveal. The E05-06-01 order Removal Process for D-2, D-2A, and D-3 Positions was written because of the settlement.
So Angelo is already "Johnny come lately". The alderman voted last year to give us the retro year already.
So all that is left is if a new sergeant wants to tempt faith he will then have to torture the dick by giving him shit jobs.
But the law has a name for that its called a hostile work place.
But Gary is new to the city and believes he is the end all and be all. Let the law department figure it out.
4/04/2014 05:06:00 PM
Management can create a hostile workplace, they just can't use discrimination as the basis. I had bosses that mother fucked everyone on the watch, thus creating a hostile workplace, and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it, he was just a poor manager. Know the law before you go spouting off about it.
NEW GENERAL ORDER OUT !!
Detectives CAN get dumped back to Patrolmen.
Looks like Garry has plans to make the D unit smaller!
NEW ORDER TODAY:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
4/04/2014 02:38:00 PM
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Or will he demote Detectives four years before they max out to fuck them on their pensions?
For once and for all....For the last time:
Regarding the funding of the pensions - the city never skipped out on any payments. They just didn't fund the pensions to the levels that actuaries told them to.
Is it a minor detail? No. Get it right. We sound like a bunch of assholes who don't know what we are talking about when it comes to our pensions.
Removal Process for D-2, D-2A, and D-3 Positions
Now if YOU are a detective I will have you dumped back to a beat car if you are a screw up like I think you are!
GO TO:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
Well, Well Detectives......Are you going to continue to go out there and "do the right thing" "do what it takes" because obviously the city has your back and is supporting you. They will be there for you when the BS allegations and lawsuits from society's most despicable beings. The city cares about you and your family. They will be at your side when you are dragged down to 219. It's you, your family and the city, all in this together. Keep up the good work Detectives.
To 2:53 pm your right the teachers won, the ones that will still have a job after all the public schools are replaced by charter schools. So you now charters are not bound by the same rules. So the teachers got exactly what Rahm wanted to give them if you think they won you are a idiot.
Anonymous said...
Removal Process for D-2, D-2A, and D-3 Positions
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Sounds like Ole' Mcneverwasadetective just took his ball and went home with it.. Detective and the other positions are going to be fazed out... Just wait til a Merit hack Sgt. gets a hard on for a Detective that they want to be demoted.. All the Sgt. has to do is start some bad paper on them and then see you at the review panel where they will demote your ass back to the patrol car..! What the fu$@ is the point of having a test, then?
Dont get me started on the dept. (city) being able to cut the detectives back to a beat car because they have " (budget modification, reduction in force initiative, etc.)." aka . Rahm deciding we have to cut back on Dets. because there are too many or they are costing the city too much money! This stinks to high heaven, it's way too subjective!! Here you go disability Dean, stick up for fellow Dets... or do we have no room to "negotiate"....
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I agree 100%.. this move is very suspect!!
This will open a pandora's box for E.T.'s, Dets., Canine, mounted unit, etc.. So is this how they faze out E.t.'s and make Dets. process the crime scenes??
Or how about this being a nice ploy to get "who we want" in these respective spots??!! Get rid of one guy so the next guy that the "machine" wants can be brought up? Rahm already solved the police manpower shortage by reducing manpower from 13,500 to something significantly lower. Now he can do this with E.T.'s, Dets., etc.... It's like these officers in their respective positions are in PPO status for so long
as they are there... What a shit burger to swallow.. Take a test, do well, get "promoted", and if you don't follow some unknown subjective standards (aka. Don't kiss ass) then we get a paper trail on you.. And then, back humping on the beat car... Never mind the process you went through to get where you got.. See ya later! Dean isnt going to say shit about this either! mark my words, we gots us a lame duck President! Just greasing the skids for Dean Jr. to take the reigns in 3 years.. Now i'm exhausted, I need a smoke! Wake up membership, this ship is sinking.. You got no rights!
(OT) looks like the cancer causing pet coke dust will continue;
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-emanuel-ordinance-grants-zoning-exemption-for-petcoke-20140401,0,4939444.story
Wonder if rahm and his cronies got the Manila envelope stuffed with cash? Why not set up pet coke dump on rahms block so he and his family can breath in the coal dust?
You wouldn't be if u paid attention. He is deducting from his presidents salary his duty disability pay.
^Is disability pay tax free???
Or is that just VA Disability
NEW GENERAL ORDER OUT !!
Detectives CAN get dumped back to Patrolmen.
Looks like Garry has plans to make the D unit smaller!
NEW ORDER TODAY:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57b38-14527edc-c5514-527e-eedddaf948ce04eb.pdf?hl=true
They can become PO Crossing Guard Supervisors with weekends off No arrests too
rumor at HQ is last sgt class off list was to start 28 apr, but city wont pay holiday/overtime to have civilians at HQ work on the 29th so class will start 5th of may.
OT:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?id=9492461
Anonymous said...
I want to personally thank the sergeant who got caught using Xerox copies of dollar bills at the local strip house. Dude you really messed up a good thing. They always did us right there. You are so lucky that they didn't have you arrested. Only you thought that it was funny. You weren't joking, you are a cheap a$$.No I'm not giving up his name or the name of the establishment. Everyone who needs to know, already knows.
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"messed up a good thing". At a strip club. Man that's a sad life that you live.
4/04/2014 06:34:00 PM
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Have him ARRESTED? For what?
RE: Dumping Detectives Directive.
Why did McCarthy even come up with this nonsense? Does any supervisor want to take on this task?
The contract and the General Orders on Discipline Procedures are still in effect.
Before a Detective can even be submitted to this demotion procedure, the supervisors must document his/her deficiencies over a period of time. Must include counseling sessions and steps to identify and remedy the issues. This involves WWAAYY more work than any whiteshirt wants to do.
The contract also has a "Just Cause" clause. So a grievance WILL be filed on any cases. City usually doesn't do well in grievance arbitrations.
And this should have been the subject of negotiation.
>>>Anonymous said...
Is it too late to appeal the ruling on Rahm's residency requirements to be mayor of Chicago?
4/04/2014 07:13:00 PM<<<
Did he or did he not, on a timely basis, file Illinois Income Tax Returns while working in Washington D.C. as a member of the White House Staff?
That would settle the question.
Think before you type , Chicago teacher union president Karen Lewis was told no more money , guess what
City pays the teachers portion of pension 7% , they received a good pay increase and their last contract teachers received 20% , cpd took 10% , less than shortshanks offered .
Lock everyone up , enforce every ordinance that on the books , remind people it's necessary because of current administration .
Karen Lewis knocked him out twice after he mf'd her.
Are u high? 20 % raise ? They lumped in step raises for years of service in those calculations to make it seem higher. Plus lane increases you can maybe get if u earn a higher degree ( which there's no reimbursement) They work a longer school day for less pay, PLUS never got the 4% raise that was " guaranteed" on the contract BEFORE her tenure started, - thats right - they just decided to cancel the last raise of the prior contract - due to financial " emergency." AND SENORITY MEANS NOTHING ANYMORE. THEY ARE LETTING GO THE HIGHEST PAID TEACHERS BY LOWERING THEIR YEARLY EFFICIENCIES. They hire young robot principles who let go the teachers who cost too much. Karen Lewis looked good on TV. And the strike looked good. But at the end of the day - teachers lost. Just watch CHICAGOLAND episode 1. When asked about teachers strike - he said - teachers struck - I got a longer school day - with a huge grin on his face. That's like you making it to your 25th year on CPD - and the Dept gave u a bad evaluation and fired you. Teachers lost. And you are clueless.
Anonymous said...
Is it too late to appeal the ruling on Rahm's residency requirements to be mayor of Chicago?
4/04/2014 07:13:00 PM
No, but he is the mayor, appeal my ass. The election laws are used to have your opponent tossed off the ballot. Residency is for we employees. Try and work for the City with a few boxes of junk in a crawl space as proof of residency. I had a detective come to my house, come inside and look around and see that it was my stuff all over. I had to provide mail, utility bills, lease or tax bills. But for people like Rahm, life is different. Christ I hate those fucking people. They are such scum.
Anonymous said...
I want to personally thank the sergeant who got caught using Xerox copies of dollar bills at the local strip house. Dude you really messed up a good thing. They always did us right there. You are so lucky that they didn't have you arrested. Only you thought that it was funny. You weren't joking, you are a cheap a$$.No I'm not giving up his name or the name of the establishment. Everyone who needs to know, already knows.
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"messed up a good thing". At a strip club. Man that's a sad life that you live.
4/04/2014 06:34:00 PM
Typical copper, how fucking cheap can you be that you have to use phony one dollar bills at a titty bar that gives cops a discount anyway?
Reminds me of two shiny pants old time cops who walked in to a Mickey D's at Chicago and State and ordered two bags of burgers, fries etc. The young guy at the counter wasn't up on police protocol and handed over the bags of McDonald's grub and told the cop the price, now I am a couple of people behind that guy with my own partner, also in uniform.
The old timer grabs the bag or food, taps his star with his other hand and says simply "We don't pay" as he turned and walked out. The clerk was just standing there with his jaw dropping down.
I looked at my partner and we were both flabbergasted. We managed to put our faces down and turn around and leave before anyone got our names. I have seen a lot of shit in my years but that has to be the absolute most embarrassing moment as a uniformed police officer.
Just the boldness of it, to save $5 on cheap fast food, "We don't pay" and tap the star and walks away. A bygone era, and lucky it is at that.
Oh, you mean the NEW directive about detectives getting dumped.
See I don't have a crystal ball like you do and could not have predicted that they would come out with a NEW directive to do such a thing.
I guess when they drop the speed limit on the highway I'll really have been speeding all these years and can be held accountable.
And the city is ALWAYS right when they go ahead with NEW policies and directives, such as no out of pay grade for sgts for the DSS debacle, Behavior Intervention System, NATO work week pay etc. etc. etc. They have never ever been called out by a judge or a court room in error.
This has already been played out in court rooms and arbitration hearings where it was ruled that if you give a civil service test, its a promotion. See despite the city referring to it as "assigned", for 80% of us its "earned".
Did you know that the two dics demoted over the Burge scandal were reinstated to detective with back pay by an arbitrator? I can only imagine the excitement on your face when you saw this, like a kid on Christmas. Oh boy the city is using the word removal instead of demoted, now there is no way that it can fail now.
You had the issue clarified? What did you write the directive and forward it to MLA? Were you the kid who reminded the teacher to give homework? Don't be a hater and don't be surprised if the city rescinds this in the next few days.
Signed Det. ASSHAT
4/04/2014 02:38:00 PM
Good-- some of these detectives should be does back to patrol. We have a number of dog asses working in the F unit. Some don't do anything but shop, workout all day or steal time by coming in a few hours late and leaving a few hours early on the tax payers dime. I think that the same should happen to all rank and file. Some sgts need to get dumped back to patrolman. Same is true for lt's and captains. Look forward to seeing the change.
Actions speak louder then words..We will see if Dean Angelo is honest and has integrity and to do the right thing for us..
This order about the dicks has been tabled for a long time. I became a dick in the late 90's and they were trying to get a demotion order published back then but couldn't figure out how to do it and still abide by the contract. Since Garry doesn't give a shit about contracts (see what happened to the sgts and Lts)he just implemented it.
Did you know that the two dics demoted over the Burge scandal were reinstated to detective with back pay by an arbitrator? I can only imagine the excitement on your face when you saw this, like a kid on Christmas. Oh boy the city is using the word removal instead of demoted, now there is no way that it can fail now.
I too now of a guy who was demoted and won the arbitration 2 years later. He received back pay, but did that make him whole. Don't think so . What about the 2 years he worked in a district on the other side of the city on midnights. How do you make up that time?
Anonymous said...
Actions speak louder then words..We will see if Dean Angelo is honest and has integrity and to do the right thing for us..
4/05/2014 02:22:00 AM
Am willing to give him a chance and see what he can do.
What I really don't understand is why a person on disability for 12 years getting 75% tax free money and currently holding a teaching position would want to come back and be the FOP president. That is a 24/7 job, nothing but aggravation. I just dont get the motivation.
Anonymous said...
Think before you type , Chicago teacher union president Karen Lewis was told no more money , guess what
City pays the teachers portion of pension 7% , they received a good pay increase and their last contract teachers received 20% , cpd took 10% , less than shortshanks offered .
4/04/2014 02:53:00 PM
Not sure which teacher's contract you meant but several of those 21% teacher's contracts were done because Daley got a pension holiday from the teachers. That 21% three year raise came from the Teachers own pension money. City saved money by not paying into pensions. teachers thought they did real good, no one could figure out they paid themselves their own raise with their own pension money.
That was when the Teachers fund was at 115%, now it is around 25%. Apparently math is not the teacher's strong point.
Teacher's union presidents signed off on that, they got increased pensions based on higher union salary, pension increase paid by city. No conflict there. When will teachers figure out they were robbed?
Regarding the store that was hit. Can't wait to see what south side or west side district is going to get the call of 2 f/1's pulling each other's weaves and scratching each other with their acrylic nails in the middle of the street over a $10,000 purse.
Anonymous said...
Think before you type , Chicago teacher union president Karen Lewis was told no more money , guess what
City pays the teachers portion of pension 7% , they received a good pay increase and their last contract teachers received 20% , cpd took 10% , less than shortshanks offered .
Lock everyone up , enforce every ordinance that on the books , remind people it's necessary because of current administration .
Karen Lewis knocked him out twice after he mf'd her.
Are u high? 20 % raise ? They lumped in step raises for years of service in those calculations to make it seem higher. Plus lane increases you can maybe get if u earn a higher degree ( which there's no reimbursement) They work a longer school day for less pay, PLUS never got the 4% raise that was " guaranteed" on the contract BEFORE her tenure started, - thats right - they just decided to cancel the last raise of the prior contract - due to financial " emergency." AND SENORITY MEANS NOTHING ANYMORE. THEY ARE LETTING GO THE HIGHEST PAID TEACHERS BY LOWERING THEIR YEARLY EFFICIENCIES. They hire young robot principles who let go the teachers who cost too much. Karen Lewis looked good on TV. And the strike looked good. But at the end of the day - teachers lost. Just watch CHICAGOLAND episode 1. When asked about teachers strike - he said - teachers struck - I got a longer school day - with a huge grin on his face. That's like you making it to your 25th year on CPD - and the Dept gave u a bad evaluation and fired you. Teachers lost. And you are clueless.
4/04/2014 11:59:00 PM
Agreed. Lewis is a joke.
Rahm wants her there making it easy for him to get what he wants.
Worked in rogers park. Liquor store discounted packaged goods, to cops and especially tact. Got robbed at gun point. Tact cop in there two hours later demanding discount. That tops the Mickey d story.
he guy has a doctrines degree, he was the police, he has a son on the job and a shit load of police active friends. Give the guy a chance and if he proves us wrong then bitch and complain.
4/04/2014 12:52:00 PM
Where can I get a "doctrines" degree?
Anonymous said...
To 2:53 pm your right the teachers won, the ones that will still have a job after all the public schools are replaced by charter schools. So you now charters are not bound by the same rules. So the teachers got exactly what Rahm wanted to give them if you think they won you are a idiot.
4/04/2014 08:12:00 PM
And all the charters are forced to hire 22yr old kids fresh out of school because they don't know any better and are still idealists.
In less than 3 years the vast majority of them leave the Charter school environment because they realize they're being used like toilet paper for shit money.
Year 1: I LOVE my school! Great people, great kids!
Year 2: My god, I have a life assholes! Fuck You!
Year 3: Why did it take me so long to see the light... new career coming up.... or..... better wages and job protection from political shitheads coming up!
Kids quickly realize they're nothing but tools to be profited from in Charter schools. And the new kids quickly leave to let yet another new kid take their place only to be shit upon again and continue the process.
The teaching profession has been taken from paying for the schools and paying the teacher's salary to paying for the schools and paying for half the teacher's salary and giving the other half away to profiteers who'll run for elected office or contribute to the campaign funds of whomever got them their free school and slave labor pool.
The teaching profession will soon be ignored by all. All the kids who quit quickly tell all their friends what bullshit teaching has become and that they wised up and moved on.
The result of this is that over time, people say FUCK being a teacher, it's a shit job with shit pay and I'm not wasting my time and money to be treated like a slave for shit money.
Pretty soon you have no one to take those jobs other than the desperate few who've already lost their teaching job elsewhere.
Then you get the real "quality" educators.
There is no "reforming" education without it's total demise on the horizon. Their "reforms" are merely shitting on teachers to increase the bottom line of profits because spending never goes down on education even when labor costs do.
Education is profit now..... with a slave labor pool..... how long do you think that's gonna last in this country?
As a tactical officer , if assigned to an area I will do the job of detective for patrolman pay . The chance to wear sport coats , new detective star ,freedom to go anywhere to lock up the bad guys . Make us all merit , use arrests , court time , medical time , disciplinary history and cpd will have the best detectives . 100% merit , use that 10% dump rate once a year and no one can complain .
Rahm will like Dean for no other reason than height.
4/04/2014 06:04:00 AM
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Dude, your soooooooo right. Little men stick together. If a 6'02" M with proportional height/weight were speaking with Rahm, the inferiority complex activates within Rahm and he could explode.
Anonymous said...
he guy has a doctrines degree, he was the police, he has a son on the job and a shit load of police active friends. Give the guy a chance and if he proves us wrong then bitch and complain.
4/04/2014 12:52:00 PM
Where can I get a "doctrines" degree?
4/05/2014 10:39:00 AM
You gotta go to medical school to get one of those, dummy.
I have to say this RE residency lifting. I doubt it will ever happen even though I don't think it's constitutional. I still don't get the logic but anyhow the truth of the matter is everyone cries about this but almost every cop I talk to lived in the city BEFORE they became cops; like 99%! So they did not have to live here BEFOREHAND yet they did. So there would be no "mass exodus" and property value plunge from "White Flight". People just hate being told where to live but most won't move out to the burbs anyhow. Also I don't get the city's mentality over this. Like if I live in Beverly I am a better cop working in 009 as opposed to living in Oak Lawn? Like I care any more or any less about 009th district residents based on where I live? Makes no sense.
MTS 009
2W
"The point of a union president is to be a thorn in the side of the opposition/city."
Obstructionist asshole union bosses who'd rather burn everything down than strike a reasonable deal are a principal cause of the Rust Belt and the reason the rest of the country hates unions. And Shorty knows this. I'm not FOP or a cop and I don't know much about this Angelo guy--maybe he's a chessmaster capable of playing against the Machine, maybe he's a clueless goof--but I do know that the day of reckoning for public-sector unions draws near and if FOP is belligerent it'll be easy for the city to keep the public on their side.
Anonymous said...
So Angelo is already "Johnny come lately". The alderman voted last year to give us the retro year already.
4/04/2014 07:38:00 PM
Who's Johnny, they voted on a non-binding resolution that means absolutely nothing. You can wipe your ass with it.Your retro for the first year of the contract is gone baby gone. MS
The Aggravated Assault
The axe is soon about to fall, the Mayor is in a hurry,
and no one's moving in to help; no wonder why we worry!
"Let's cut their pay and Medical, let's cause a world of tension,
Lets dig into their salaries and whittle-down their Pension"!
What happened to "Esprit-De-Corps"? what happened to our spirit?
the city doesn't give a damn; they do not want to hear it!
The Police and Firemen he assaults and no one seems to care,
these things we're hearing constantly, Emmanuel's on a tear! 1.
Let's look at this "Napoleon" and all the things he's doing,
of all the people he will hurt when MONEY'S he's pursuing.
Is he alone in this Assault? How about our Former Leader"? 2.
who didn't plug the leaking Dam or watch the dwindling meter?
So now we pay for THEIR mistakes, their Greed and lack of Honor,
our city bends in Lethargy with hopelessness upon her.
So years from now when people ask "What happened to your city"?
You must do this; Blow them a kiss, and shout "OUR MAYOR'S WERE SHITTY!
!: Pronounced "Tare" 2: Richie Daley Junior
By THE UNKNOWN POET!
There you go my Fellow Friends and Co-workers as I promised;......Arguably one of my Best. Send
this out to any and everyone you wish, INCLUDING the Mass Media if they got the "Sand" to print
it. Fraternally and in Great Friendship; Kenny Ross P.S. Dear GOD please Forgive me for the use
of the final word in the Poem!!!!!!!!!
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