Vice Copper Stripped
- Chicago police placed a veteran officer on paid desk duty on Monday -- the same day a security video was made public allegedly showing him striking a female manager of a massage parlor during a vice raid last summer.
Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy, who made the disclosure Tuesday, defended the department’s training but promised to hold officers accountable for misconduct.
“It’s obviously behavior that we do not condone and we’re not going to tolerate in this department,” McCarthy said at a press conference on an unrelated topic.
Well, we're not going to tolerate it after it's been made public after nearly a year, is what he means.
Once again, someone acting like it's the 1970's, 60's or 50's and cameras aren't everywhere. This sort of thing should have stopped after Abbate. Or Cozzi. Or Howard. One slap, mistake or not, in the heat of the moment or not, is going to sink your career and tarnish the reputation of the Department for years to come. Over what is essentially a "rub-and-tug" joint. Brilliant.
Once again, someone acting like it's the 1970's, 60's or 50's and cameras aren't everywhere. This sort of thing should have stopped after Abbate. Or Cozzi. Or Howard. One slap, mistake or not, in the heat of the moment or not, is going to sink your career and tarnish the reputation of the Department for years to come. Over what is essentially a "rub-and-tug" joint. Brilliant.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
198 Comments:
28 years hope he saves his pension
The new society is what it is.
I lost count looks like 6 - 10, officers to bust, as stated, a rub and tug place. Probably not the best allocation of resources.
There is more to it that meets the eye. A report is comming out about missing footage. Stay tuned, you probably weren't there.
I've seen those vice officers processing Asian prostitutes at central detention. They are a bunch of jerks who act like they're above the law. They act all mighty and tuff while manhandling petite women, I would like to see them try this technique on a man who is equal to their own size.
Fuck you, dude. Enjoy riding a desk. I sincerely hope your clout-heavy ass gets fired.
You've given police-haters YEARS of ammunition. Now they can gleefully replay this clip over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.........
You hit someone who is cuffed and you deserve to lose your job. Cameras are everywhere, and if you're an officer you should assume that you're on tape and act accordingly.
And I'm glad to see McStreetlight is pretending to care. What a douche. I don't know how you can work for a first rate asshole like him.
I watched the video several times. It was a bad arrest. (based on what I could see).
If I was that woman, I would do the same thing. Lucky for her, she had the camera set up as no one would have believed her if she told her story. For her, she has now hit the Jackpot.
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
That video should be used to show trainees what not to do during a raid. There are soooo many things wrong there...The officer putting on his vest after entering. The famale copper on the cell phone paying no attention. No one seemed to have a plan. Was anyone going to secure the male customer in the video? How about putting the alleged suspects under watch and diligently searching them, instead of just M-Fing them?
And most importantly...Can we stop those overweight donut eating, special unit PO's to stop wearing shorts on duty? It looks ridiculous....The department is taking it on the chin again, because of these "KeyStone" coppers. Moe,Larry,and Curly could have pulled off a better raid in my humble opinion. I doubt if this was bid unit. Clout babies strike again.
It's about time something was done about the rogue officers working in OCD. This is just one of many that think they can do whatever the hell they want. Untouchable assholes -- so they think. Had my fill of working with these anointed ones that have the very mindset that makes us all look bad. Glad I am not working OCD anymore-- patrol is a much safer place to be considering the advancements with technology and the lack if support from supervisors and the justice system.
He's been behaving like that for years.
Has issues with females obviously.
I guess there was some "editing" done before the release to the [cough] media...
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
nice way to make his family proud.
If he (the officer) is so fucking stupid as to slap some handcuffed prisoner then he deserves to be fired. It's 2014 not 1984 dumbass!
nothing wrong with a little rub and tug anyway.
I know there's always two sides to every story but so far from what I've read and seen from video this one's a definite black eye for the department.
Rahm's gotta have a chubby over this.
Which one of the brilliant coppers had to have the charges re-instated and lied under oath to the grand jury to cover for his partner who claims he was hurt while arresting the 90 lb woman! Anybody remember COZZI went to jail for what, 5 years for a slap? These two will be lucky to keep bus fare, the city settles and each officer gets hit with PUNATIVE damages!
Hey is that the copper who just made Detective and is in the academy right now for Detective training with the loud mouth claiming somebody going to kill her and ship her back to china in a UPS box. Reminiscing of the old Commander BURGE school of confessions the great Karnack predicts future lawsuits from confessions could be worth millions!
Where do they get these people is there a special place to hire the insane and handicapped!
To the unpublished:
First, it wasn't the lead post, so your "if it bleeds, it leads" comment doesn't make any sense.
Second, we didn't post about it for almost two days until McCarthy took action - a year afterwards.
Third, we can't win with you tiny brains. We get a pile of shit in the comments for not covering the story that was all over the media. Then we merely point out that this isn't the 60's and the whole "wall of silence" thing isn't going to work any more...and we still get shit from the other tiny brains.
Maybe you should go find the "fluffy kittens.com" website. Sorry you can't handle the fact that this isn't your grandpappy's department. Adapt. Police smarter. Protect your job, protect your reputation, and protect everyone else's reputation by not doing stupid shit.
Some slick lawyer puts out an edited tape and you guys are on your keyboards like a bunch of 13 year old boys. I am not sticking up for them, but I am not bad mouthing them either. The bottom feeding lawyers will do that well enough.
The only post with anything important to say was the guy that said we shouldn't be allowed to wear shorts.
Disgraceful hit a handcuffed women Ok bring it and say she deserved it. While all the other cops just watched Some "tough guys" Vice-What a Power trip. They should all be disciplined If you cant put handcuffs on an offender then go back the academy
It's no wonder people hate us. This was totally uncalled for in this situation.
BTW where was the sgt????
Maybe you should go find the "fluffy kittens.com" website. Sorry you can't handle the fact that this isn't your grandpappy's department. Adapt. Police smarter. Protect your job, protect your reputation, and protect everyone else's reputation by not doing stupid shit.
We hire anyone these days
She'll sue and collect and the copper will be fired For a stupid raid!
She must'n have be paying for protection in Shitcago or had no juice
You think after a few years on this job that a screaming, swearing obnoxious broad wouldn't get to a copper that much.
Maybe we should have recruits sit in area 1 for "exposure" training tlistening to assholes yelling "OFFICA" all fucking day and night.
Bye,bye . End that clout unit . Have a supervisor select undercover officer to use a month at a time .
6 to 10 officers on a bs raid and districts don't have that many coppers on patrol during the second watch .
Do vice cops swipe in and out ?
SCC Im not a cop but I read your blog often. I have nothing but respect for you guys and gals. Several of my friends are officers and I know most of you are good apples. Once in a while theres a bad one. And I dont even know if this is a good example of a "bad apple".
Whats disturbing to me from this video is all the guys standing around seemingly doing nothing to calm Messina down. Along with the abusive remarks it seems like whats going on is business as usual to all the officers standing there. Thats what is damning. This does not help the perception of CPD among the greater public.
You hit someone who is cuffed and you deserve to lose your job...
Couldn't agree more. I instantly lose respect for any PO who hits a cuffed person. To me, it's the ultimate Pussy Act. Oh, I'm soooo tough...as long as the other person can't defend his/herself. The fact that this p.o.s. did it to a woman makes it that much more Puussied.
Gee she just became a US Citizen too and won the "bitch slap jack me off pot O' Gold" Luv me long time Crime does pay
Watch 10k hits on Utube
Viva la RevoluCion
Whether or not there is more to this video the real problem is this team is and has always been out if control. The two in question plus one who just retired always treat their raids with incompetence and their female prisoners with verbal abuse and heavy hands.
Vice is and has always been a ridiculous unit. It's a dumping ground for commanders and a unit to go to for mindless police work. They get their head,do sloppy paperwork and race home in a 5 hour shift at most. Go to. 001 and watch and listen to their big mouths processing females arrests.
The best is two cops in question were put in vice personally by fatty fill. He said they were aggressive. Guess he was right.
Get it through you heads. You are being recorded. All the time. Constantly. Either by citizens or your equipment. Car video ALWAYS recording. Other squad cars are recording you. Cameras in the areas pick up you stupid comments when on. Camera block away is on you. Cell phones have apps to secretly record you. 7-11 stores also records audio 24-7 etc. Etc. GOT IT?
What do I know? I'm just a dick.
28 years . You would have thought he learned something.
Get it through you heads. You are being recorded. All the time. Constantly. Either by citizens or your equipment. Car video ALWAYS recording. Other squad cars are recording you. Cameras in the areas pick up you stupid comments when on. Camera block away is on you. Cell phones have apps to secretly record you. 7-11 stores also records audio 24-7 etc. Etc. GOT IT?
What do I know? I'm just a dick.
STatistics....all professions have bad seeds. Its a very small percentage. Have pride in your profession, department and self. The real public will see that. You are good neighbors and friends. Live your life and shake off the idiots. When you retire, you will always remember the names of those people you have influenced for the good. Some will come forward and tell stories about how you influenced someone for the better by example and you didn't know it. Live for those moments.
S T U P I D! Everyone knows cameras are everywhere. If he is too stupid too realize that he shouldn't be the police.
Well there goes another tax paying small business down the drain, thanks to the CPD. No wonder Chicago is broke and keeps raising taxes.
May be people doing warrants should account for surveillance in organized crime operations!
Lack of training and overconfidence leads to failure.
but as long as the city worries about happy endings we will all be safe.
This just proves that it does NOT pay to do Vice stuff!
Copper blew his job and pension for this junk! For the most part, whi gives a shit!
Who cares if, Ms. Won Ton wants to give blow jobs for a living and make money? Better to tax her for her talents and pay into the pension funds! She ain't hurting nobody!
Victimless crime between consenting Adults! Instead of getting gifts, Ms. Won Ton gets money, so what!
Pretty soon prostitution will be just as legal as Weed!
See States like: Colorado, Washington, Nevada and parts of California! Several States with Medical Weed!
I don't waste my time with this shit, especially when the Dept. is willing to throw you under the bus for ratings and politics!
Da Pelon
I like fluffy kittens.
But I like it here better.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Rahm's gotta have a chubby over this.
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Rahm = stubby chubby.
Someone didn't get a happy ending...
The tape is edited. More more to it.
sorry...cant support these guys....a lot of these clout heavy boys/girls think that their clout will get them out of everything. they are the old shop all day, run personal errands, eat for two hours, and then make some small bullshit arrest to justify their meaningless position. i cant believe this dept. still dedicates resources to such nonsense....its like it 1984 everyday with these p.o.'s.
If the city settles how are he officers hit with punitive damages?
Which one of the brilliant coppers had to have the charges re-instated and lied under oath to the grand jury to cover for his partner who claims he was hurt while arresting the 90 lb woman! Anybody remember COZZI went to jail for what, 5 years for a slap? These two will be lucky to keep bus fare, the city settles and each officer gets hit with PUNATIVE damages!
5/21/2014 04:04:00 AM
Billions of dollars are being stolen by our politicians, and you're going to slap some 90 pound woman in a fit of righteousness! Go slap Daley for the Parking Meters & Red Light Cameras. Go slap Madigan for all he has stolen from our children, families and pension. Remember when he told us if his daughter got elected we would get 80% pensions like the State Police? You haven't got the stones to mess with real criminals. Also, did you compete and take a test for that slot at Vice? Prosecute this mope and take his pension, out of respect for every working cop who will now be compared to this Moron.
Hey, at least these guys were in the "Box."
Or trying to be.
Why did they come in so hard for this nonsense? That's the part I really don't get.
It actually looks like the officers were afraid and they let their fear get the better of them.
All that for a victimless crime.
The best way to secure your job in my opinion is to follow all of the rules, laws and department orders to the letter. Also, realize that this isn't the 1950's. As police officers not only do we have to do everything by the book, we also have to worry about what the end result will look like to a third party. For example, a few months ago, a woman who weighed about 100 pounds resisted arrest. Now was I going to pound the shit out of her? Of course not, I let her go, moved away and told her to comply. Or else. She did not comply so I then did a wrist lock and she slapped me. I twisted and finally she complied and I cuffed her. So even though she resisted arrest and slapped me, I still held my composure. Now imagine if I beat her. Imagine what a third party's conclusion would be? Like it or not, this is the new age of policing we live in. Sure the department says they will back you up. But they won't. All they care about is how a third party will look at a situation.
just stupid!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here we go again, someone else just hit the CPD lottery....they are gonna get paid out
http://www.suntimes.com/27487657-761/lawsuit-chicago-cops-physically-verbally-abuse-woman-on-video.html#.U3mMi61dUzJ
5/19/2014 12:05:00 AM
Bingo! You hit the nail right on the head with that observation. As long as police officers act like this, as others stand by and do nothing to stop it (like the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil stupid monkeys), we will continue to get sued, and lose! One of these assholes will probably loses his job and his house over this- and for what? To make a point? You can make your point, and act professionally at the same time, instead of being just a thug with a star. We don't need cops like this- they make all of us look bad.
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM
Yes, you should expect it here. From what I've seen, suburban departments by far display a higher level of professionalism overall than CPD. How many suburban officers make the headlines for stupid incidents like this? It's extremely rare.
Everyone seems to think that all suspects took a beating for any type of offense back in the 70's & 80's,
Believe me when I say that nothing could be further from the truth. We certainly we're not afraid to interrogate people, and we did a much more thurough job of investigating back then.
Now a days it seems like everyone is looking for any excuse to use so you can just sit on your backside and do nothing. Or else just stop thinking and trying to be proactive and wait around for your boss to tell you what has to be done. (The boss telling you what has to be done was always good for a laugh in the good old days) .
And all those Detectives who take great pride in telling any one who will listen that they are homicide detectives. How many cases do you clear by arrest, clearing, and closing. Seems to me that those exceptional clearing and closing of older cases that know one is keeping an eye on any more seems to be your major type of activity. You have to get off of the computer and leave the office and talk to people to solve cases. Not a lot of that going on anymore.
I have worked with a lot of younger officers who were great police officers, but a whole lot of you younger guys & gals leave a lot to be desired.$
Once suspension time hath be served and due process makes him hole again, young whipper snapper shalt be welcomed into the 018 EVT fold as a timekeepah.
I wholeheartedly agree with SCC.
here's a radical idea. Instead of worrying that a camera might see some stupid act on your part, just don't do the stupid act. "if I hit the handcuffed prisoner, will it be recorded"?
Hey Braniac, don't hit the handcuffed prisoner!
Anonymous said...
I guess there was some "editing" done before the release to the [cough] media...
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
5/21/2014 01:16:00 AM
If the officers conducted the raid the proper way, they would have secured the offenders quickly without incident. Make the arrests, secure the prisoners and remove them before problems happen. I like the female officer on her cell phone. Typical blonde. This team completely ignored all of the safety protocol required during a raid. Sounds like the officer has been a problem that supervisors ignored in the past.
Another black eye for all of us because of one stupid copper with a power trip. Nice job tough guy, look at you now....
I guess there was some "editing" done before the release to the [cough] media...
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
---- yeah but charges were dropped
"Stunning is diffused-pressure striking or slapping and is an attempt to increase control by disorienting the subject and interfering with the subject's ability to resist."
Stunning is an acceptable level of force to use in an active resister. Videos do not show everything that goes on in a situation, they are limited by their position. Perhaps as the officer bent down to adjust the handcuffs she tries to grab him, scratch him, who know what else.
SCC said...
To the unpublished:
First, it wasn't the lead post, so your "if it bleeds, it leads" comment doesn't make any sense.
Second, we didn't post about it for almost two days until McCarthy took action - a year afterwards.
Third, we can't win with you tiny brains. We get a pile of shit in the comments for not covering the story that was all over the media. Then we merely point out that this isn't the 60's and the whole "wall of silence" thing isn't going to work any more...and we still get shit from the other tiny brains.
100% behind you SCC. Lot of crybabies and whiners on the blog
Fuck you, dude. Enjoy riding a desk. I sincerely hope your clout-heavy ass gets fired.
You've given police-haters YEARS of ammunition. Now they can gleefully replay this clip over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.........
I surely pray you are not truly a Police Officer who wrote this response. I would never HOPE to see an Officer lose his job. If it does happen then it happens, but I would not wish this on any Officer.
t's about time something was done about the rogue officers working in OCD. This is just one of many that think they can do whatever the hell they want. Untouchable assholes -- so they think. Had my fill of working with these anointed ones that have the very mindset that makes us all look bad. Glad I am not working OCD anymore-- patrol is a much safer place to be considering the advancements with technology and the lack if support from supervisors and the justice system.
Right, anointed one, but you worked there. You just happen to be the single officer who got to OCD on your merits alone.
Sounds like you got dumped and are now back in patrol.
Dear SCC,
The website (www.fluffykittens.com) doesn't seem to be working properly. Do you have another website for us?
Anonymous said...
I've seen those vice officers processing Asian prostitutes at central detention. They are a bunch of jerks who act like they're above the law.
Yep was thinking the same thing. I am not suprised. They are off the chain Assholes when they come in with AN arrest. They only thing that suprises me is it took this long to catch up to them. THINGS YOU DO IN THE DARK
The lady was clearly resisting, so use the proper use of force to get her in custody. Then once cuffs go on keep your slaps to yourself especially when being videotaped. That lady seemed like a real piece of work, and that being said she isn't worth these headaches.
I guess there was some "editing" done before the release to the [cough] media...
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
5/21/2014 01:16:00 AM
It doesn't matter what she did once she's cuffed. If she bit a copper and fought, and the coppers used force then great, no problem. He slapped her ON VIDEO while handcuffed. How ya gonna explain that? Jagoff or not I don't wanna see any copper lose the job, but stop defending him and saying there are two sides. She's probably wrong in a lot of ways. But he did what he did on video and now we get to see it on the news for the next 6 months.
I'd love to see what this guy's personnel file from New York when he was a patrolman looks like, the phony prick. The day he pandered to the revs about institutional racism, I ended up having to wipe the hocker off my tv screen.
Anonymous said...
You hit someone who is cuffed and you deserve to lose your job. Cameras are everywhere, and if you're an officer you should assume that you're on tape and act accordingly.
And I'm glad to see McStreetlight is pretending to care. What a douche. I don't know how you can work for a first rate asshole like him.
5/21/2014 12:29:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So someone in cuffs cannot be an assailant? I was kicked by someone in handcuffs before, multiple direct mechanical strikes were deployed by myself to regain control of the offender. Stop Monday morning quarterbacking this, I saw her slap an officer on the arm before she was in cuffs. Do you really think she stopped acting up once she was cuffed?
Obviously you're not a golfer...
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM
.....You expect this from suburban departments but not CPD? Yet, it's CPD smacking handcuffed woman on tape. So who is it exactly acting like Jack Webb? You're dumb.
Active resister, cuffed or not, open hand stunning is acceptable according to the use of force order
Thank God po's aren't on the jury, they'd be your worst nightmare. I'm not sure but from what little I saw of the video--she looked, "combative," I know it's apparently been a long time since the comment section made an arrest, but last I knew if someone hits you, you're authorized to hit back. Man, maybe you should decide which side you're on and stop being jealous of where someone's assigned. It may be you someday.
"28 years hope he saves his pension"
WTF???????
He better pull the plug now and hope he doesnt lose his house and go to jail Dumbass.....At what point do we stop the support for poor bahavior by a PO? Any prisoner in handcuffs has more rights than a PO. Not to mention the Hate rhetoric, and death threats. The FOP will give him due process as is to be expected. But the video says a lot. You cant put that bullet back in the chamber. There shouldnt be a "benefit" for this guys....
" Anonymous said...
I watched the video several times. It was a bad arrest. (based on what I could see).
If I was that woman, I would do the same thing. Lucky for her, she had the camera set up as no one would have believed her if she told her story. For her, she has now hit the Jackpot.
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM"
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
It's about time something was done about the rogue officers working in OCD. This is just one of many that think they can do whatever the hell they want. Untouchable assholes -- so they think. Had my fill of working with these anointed ones that have the very mindset that makes us all look bad. Glad I am not working OCD anymore-- patrol is a much safer place to be considering the advancements with technology and the lack if support from supervisors and the justice system.
5/21/2014 01:07:00 AM
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So did u break the law in OCD?? Sounds like you did while u were there.. Sounds like you're a rotten apple too who either was dumped from OCD because of questionable work or you did nothing because you are bitter and asked to leave.. Either way you appear to be a complete mutt to think that guys in OCD commonly break the law. Maybe from things you did champ but I know a lot of very good and honest coppers from OCD. I left there about 3 years ago because I wanted to ride out my last three years on days with weekends off at 35th. Many honest people in that unit... But apparently you took part in some shady stuff and never reported it like you are required to do officer... For shame..
He's a loudmouth. Use to be in 008 long ago. Never knew when to shut up. If he didn't say a word this would be no big deal.. Can't even see the slap
Dynamite every unit and send them all back to Patrol...
No more clout hideout for 10, 15, 20 years.
Welcome back to Patrol... If you're scared or think you're too good to chase the radio with everybody else, then quit. All hands are needed on deck.
Same thing for you bosses too... Everybody gets to drink from the same bitter cup of danger and uncertainty.
Maybe some more Gold Stars need to be hung in the display case before some degree of mutual understanding is reached.
Welcome to the shit show!
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To the unpublished:
First, it wasn't the lead post, so your "if it bleeds, it leads" comment doesn't make any sense.
Second, we didn't post about it for almost two days until McCarthy took action - a year afterwards.
Third, we can't win with you tiny brains. We get a pile of shit in the comments for not covering the story that was all over the media. Then we merely point out that this isn't the 60's and the whole "wall of silence" thing isn't going to work any more...and we still get shit from the other tiny brains.
Maybe you should go find the "fluffy kittens.com" website. Sorry you can't handle the fact that this isn't your grandpappy's department. Adapt. Police smarter. Protect your job, protect your reputation, and protect everyone else's reputation by not doing stupid shit.
5/21/2014 04:54:00 AM
Couldn't have said it better myself SCC. It is a new day and age. It is time that many of the "meat heads" on this job realized that.
How is Cozzi?
Your closing her business, your locking her up and taking her money, and ability to make it for a bit. U destroyed her on paper for awhile, What was the point in cracking her? Bad day or not, no reason for that it made us all look bad again.
Some slick lawyer puts out an edited tape and you guys are on your keyboards like a bunch of 13 year old boys. I am not sticking up for them, but I am not bad mouthing them either. The bottom feeding lawyers will do that well enough.
The only post with anything important to say was the guy that said we shouldn't be allowed to wear shorts.
5/21/2014 05:29:00 AM
Didn't click the link so I haven't seen any video. But during watching this alleged edited tape, when the woman was slapped was she hand cuffed? If yes, what difference does it make?
Who's the asshole who keeps saying the tape is edited, the tape is edited????? Hey moron, the damage is already done you freakin iidot!! And what we do see is plain and simple, they didn't do shit right! Those know it all officers didn't know how to do anything right from the get go. Even if it was edited, there's enough damage in those few minutes to bury everyone standing there!? Go back to patrol and learn something before going to a bullshit unit you think is hot shit. And these officers I bet tell themselves everyday this beats patrol! This beats patrol! We're an elite unit! Yeah yeah!! Your really a waste of a badge, get over yourselves, maybe try calling your clout or phone calls to get your sorry ass out of another jam!! Good luck!!!! Hope you saved for that lawsuit.
clout street... cloted up hacks, get caught acting stupid again
Thank God po's aren't on the jury, they'd be your worst nightmare. I'm not sure but from what little I saw of the video--she looked, "combative," I know it's apparently been a long time since the comment section made an arrest, but last I knew if someone hits you, you're authorized to hit back. Man, maybe you should decide which side you're on and stop being jealous of where someone's assigned. It may be you someday.
So it's ok to smack someone on the head when handcuffed? It's ok to be racists and tell the arrestee that they will be shipped back to china in a box?
5/21/2014 06:15:00 AM no vice does not swip-- no one swipes at homan the palm reader/scanners don't work half the time. Periodically everyone has to test swipe for a week to appease finance/payroll section. Then everything is back to normal. Most everyone has a department issued chirp or cellphone they use to communicate with eachother and so they don't really have to come I to work some days depending on what they are doing. The bureau had the most abuse when it come to theft if time and OT. The bosses won't do anything about it because hey why end a good thing. Sad to say the corruption in this department is deep rooted and sadly the patrol officers ate the only ones that are scrutinized. It's now the patrol officers abusing the system it is the connected officers that have been taken care of since they came on the job. I have worked in several units without clout and am now completing my career in patrol so I can Segway into retirement. The state is this department saddens me and the blatant abuse and corruption that goes on with members of OCD within ring placed in check is very very disappointing. We take an ethics oath every year and for what-- smoke and mirrors.
5/21/2014 08:13:00 AM I agree 100% and when I brought this issue up to my immediate supervisor and LT I was dumped back to patrol. I guess i didn't have the clout to fit in and bring such abuse to light was not a concern to the supervisors.
Lay off the suburban coppers. They have their idiots, dogs and clouted too, but some of them are much sharper and more professional than some of us. Besides you don't see them stepping on themselves like we do.
Thank God po's aren't on the jury, they'd be your worst nightmare. I'm not sure but from what little I saw of the video--she looked, "combative," I know it's apparently been a long time since the comment section made an arrest, but last I knew if someone hits you, you're authorized to hit back. Man, maybe you should decide which side you're on and stop being jealous of where someone's assigned. It may be you someday.
(A) You're an idiot
(B) You're telling on yourself.
Combative? How combative can a CUFFED FEMALE be, outside of spitting on you? I get it: This asswipe is someone you know and/or like...whatever. But try as you might, aint no justifying A MALE copper smacking a CUFFED FEMALE! And lets not even address the racist shit he said. But I'm sure you're ok with that too. Why don't you get about the business of planning your boy's benefit? I suggest you don't book too large of a venue though. By the way, I work in a shithole district, and made my last arrest of a combative MALE, 15 May 14.
Anonymous Last of the Dick's from A6 said...
Everyone seems to think that all suspects took a beating for any type of offense back in the 70's & 80's,
Believe me when I say that nothing could be further from the truth. We certainly we're not afraid to interrogate people, and we did a much more thurough job of investigating back then.
Now a days it seems like everyone is looking for any excuse to use so you can just sit on your backside and do nothing. Or else just stop thinking and trying to be proactive and wait around for your boss to tell you what has to be done. (The boss telling you what has to be done was always good for a laugh in the good old days) .
And all those Detectives who take great pride in telling any one who will listen that they are homicide detectives. How many cases do you clear by arrest, clearing, and closing. Seems to me that those exceptional clearing and closing of older cases that know one is keeping an eye on any more seems to be your major type of activity. You have to get off of the computer and leave the office and talk to people to solve cases. Not a lot of that going on anymore.
I have worked with a lot of younger officers who were great police officers, but a whole lot of you younger guys & gals leave a lot to be desired.$
As one who was there, I agree with most of what you say. Everybody didn't get an ass beating, and true interrogations meaning actually sitting down talking to people and gaining their confidence seems to be a lost art. You are right about waiting for the boss to tell you what had to be done in those days that would have been laughable. There are great police officers now and back then we also had police officers who left a lot to be desired too.
Anonymous said...
" Anonymous said...
I watched the video several times. It was a bad arrest. (based on what I could see).
If I was that woman, I would do the same thing. Lucky for her, she had the camera set up as no one would have believed her if she told her story. For her, she has now hit the Jackpot.
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM"
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
5/21/2014 02:57:00 PM
I am a CPD officer. The attitude amongst some of my colleagues in regards to them being the "real police" and suburban and state police being "fake" is bullshit. It is completely preposterous. I believe that suburban and state troopers have a more difficult job. Because they work mostly by themselves and their nearest backup is very far away.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How is Cozzi?
5/21/2014 03:35:00 PM
From what I've heard, he's terrible.
The copper hitting the woman will not just be fired but prosecuted criminally as well. As for the other officers there on camera, they will be fired too. All will be subject to a law suit and loose punative damages. The supervisor will be suspended if not fired as well. Every copper you see on tape is there not becaue they are capable , qualified, and the best officer for that type of assignment. No, they are there becaue of a phone call, one of many used to get them to that spot. They were never real workers, part of a real team, they were catered too, and given anything and everything they wanted. Well they wanted to be in vice there in vice. Enjoy working at Home Depot or Walmart for minimum wage next spring, remember the garden department is best cause you can work outside.
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
5/21/2014 02:57:00 PM
Well said. -cpd
She worked in a place that gave handjobs to middle aged lonely chubby guys. Why would anyone in his right mind get worked up over that? As a middle aged lonely chubby guy, I am offended and appalled by his behavior.
Whats disturbing to me from this video is all the guys standing around seemingly doing nothing to calm Messina down. Along with the abusive remarks it seems like whats going on is business as usual to all the officers standing there. Thats what is damning. This does not help the perception of CPD among the greater public.
5/21/2014 06:44:00 AM
Where was the supervision? Sgt. should have told him to shut his pie hole.
A "rub-and-tug", I like to call them a "Steam and Cream"
You guys are assholes, I've seen copers end up in the hospital from the actions of an assailant in cuffs. The edited vid is an attempt to get people so shocked that the city settles for millions. How about waiting for the whole story before you Monday-morning quarterback. Say something nice or keep your damn mouth shut.
What won't be tolerated McBallSack is you shooting lights out when your drunk. Fuck off. Go back to the east coast and fuck up more shit there. You fucked up this department enough. None of you gold stars have any integrity and the troops know it.
We are dealing with the best and the brightest!
Thank you guys for making me look like a genius!
I made a deal with myself long ago... I would NEVER work VCD, Narcotics or Gangs. The victims, offenders, witnesses and just plain bystanders are all assholes. Too much money left around. Too much room for allegations of impropriety. I ain't getting naked on a massage table to pinch some scraggly tooth Korean whore over a HJ and have it end up over at Saint Monica's on the weekly bulletin.
I will just push my shitty beat car in my shitty district, thank you.
Seriously, we are on the cusp of legalizing pot. What is wrong with some guy going out to get blown? I would rather see legal whore houses than all that pot.
VCD Guys: Just go ahead and settle. Hopefully the Plaintiff will have a little mercy on you if you hurry up and get a good seat on the bus. The asshole that hit the cuffed woman: So sowwie. If they can give a copper 3 years hard for hitting a belligerent asshole in a wheelchair, anything 3 years and under for you is a gift. You might get out of prison in 2018 or so.
Yeah, I realize there is more to the tape. Yeah, you probably had enough PC to make a pinch, and a good one. But there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING in that tape, the tape before and the tape after the incident that would remotely justify hitting that girl.
Half these girls got kidnapped after being misled about what they would need to do to get to America. She is likely a victim too. And so you assholes just struck a handcuffed VICTIM. Great!!
And we bitch about McCarthy? Please!
Anonymous said...
Rahm's gotta have a chubby over this.
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Rahm = stubby chubby.
5/21/2014 08:03:00 AM
Rahm=stubby,chubby and nubby.
Kids, If someone kick & bite you while cuffed you're allowed to strike. Read your G.O's. Now for the "loudmouth" in the video, STFU dude!!!
There shouldnt be a "benefit" for this guys
WTF How about a benefit for good working coppers
These jokers need to go and a drain on the pension Just return his contributions
The HS mentality that this job is an all you can fuk up and still eat at the troff gig has to end.
Active resister, cuffed or not, open hand stunning is acceptable according to the use of force order ..... Please
BTW where was the sgt????
The film is edited and the whole thing is lame, including the arrest and the broad's complaint ( or should I say her money-grabbing attny).
Next......,,
Who said she was handcuffed?
They were in the process of handcuffing an active resister.
Stunning blows = All good.
She was not handcuffed.
All that for a victimless crime.
5/21/2014 08:39:00 AM
There's no such thing as a victimless crime. When a crime takes place, society is the victim along with the robbery victim, theft victim or whomever else. Also, vice crimes like gambling and prostitution traditionally provide money through organized crime (and not just traditional organized crime) which is used to finance other crimes like narcotics, human trafficking cartage theft and myriad other crimes. In addition, participants in prostitution are often beaten, abused and drug addicted by their pimps. Do they enter the trade on their own? Sometimes. But sometimes they are kept there by intimidation and involuntary servitude.
a victimless crime? I don't think so.
But is is worth losing your career, family and future to make the arrest? Most definitely not.
Dynamite every unit and send them all back to Patrol...
No more clout hideout for 10, 15, 20 years.
Welcome back to Patrol... If you're scared or think you're too good to chase the radio with everybody else, then quit. All hands are needed on deck.
Same thing for you bosses too... Everybody gets to drink from the same bitter cup of danger and uncertainty.
Maybe some more Gold Stars need to be hung in the display case before some degree of mutual understanding is reached.
Welcome to the shit show!
+++++++++++++++++++++++
yawwwwnnnn... are you sad to be on a beat car??? Awwwwww, to bad sooo saddd. Well, 26 years on and the last 20 have been in a unit. Gangs South, SOS and now in Gang Investigations. about 2 1/2 more years left and im gone at 53. Its been a great run while in units. Had great fun working in the district but why the hatred hater??? Im having a great time here and will be a great way to retire. 20 years in units, its like ive been the police but havent had to put up with all the garbage you have to put up with.. works out good for some people.. and yes, im trying to rub it in hard. Quit your crying you little whiny bi*ch....
Damn, it is so refreshing to see up standing coppers all having the same opinion about riot ass cops who do stupid shit and Make good cops look fucking bad in the public eye. And to the stupid fuck who gets up at every union meeting and ask Dean to start up a task team to prove the city is trying to make cops look bad in the public eye because their are no cops who have planted dope, physically abuse offenders, lie, or steal is a fucking moron and doesn't believe the shit his fat ass was saying at the microphone while pushing his book at the meeting on Tuesday . Do me a a favor stay the hell off the microphone asshole.
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world.
Well said. Most of us that work for CPD respect suburban cops. Don't let one post ruin that.
Anonymous said...
Active resister, cuffed or not, open hand stunning is acceptable according to the use of force order ..... Please
5/21/2014 09:56:00 PM
True.
"She worked in a place that gave handjobs to middle aged lonely chubby guys. Why would anyone in his right mind get worked up over that? As a middle aged lonely chubby guy, I am offended and appalled by his behavior."
LMAO!! Well said! Way to go out there and make a difference Office. Prostitution has only been around something like......... Forever !
BTW where was the sgt????
5/21/2014 10:00:00 PM
If the Sgt is standing there and tells the guy what to do, he's a jagoff.
If the Sgt is not there, and the PO fucks up, the Sgt is a jagoff.
make up your mind.
Sgt. Is guy telling him to shut up.
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
Distance and time....Ring A bell?
How about a benefit for good working coppers
These jokers need to go and a drain on the pension Just return his contributions
The HS mentality that this job is an all you can fuk up and still eat at the troff gig has to end.
Can I get a spell check please??? And please try and make real sentences. I would hate to read a case report by a non-speller by you...
I guess there was some "editing" done before the release to the [cough] media...
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
5/21/2014 01:16:00 AM
In the video on the news, it's clear she's resisting arrest. She repeatedly slaps the officer as he's trying to cuff her. I did not see the officer strike her at any time during the video.
1130 3w is gonna ship HIMSELF to China in a box
I have seen Frank even angrier than that! One time we hit White Castle before we did an operation angel. He was wearing his vest and raid vest and the cashier charged him Full Boat! His face turned red and he demanded to the cashier that he get his police discount. The manager came out and apologized as the cashier was new but what a cheap prick Frank was and still is. He penny pinched to pay this civil lawsuit! We alway thought that he was this angry towards women because they shot him down throughout life!!
Yes, you should expect it here. From what I've seen, suburban departments by far display a higher level of professionalism overall than CPD. How many suburban officers make the headlines for stupid incidents like this? It's extremely rare.
5/21/2014 08:47:00 AM
Suburban forces have small depts, Cpd has 9-10 thousand officers. Less than 1% end up doing stuff like this so it's rare here too.
I'm just disappointed that a happy ending spot is now the subject of such controversy. Sadness.
What a dumb. F !
Please stop attempting to justify it. Yes offenders can still be combative and cause injury while handcuffed. Do you really believe truthfully that this was the case? It was someone pissed off and giving her a smack. You are trying a little too hard to make this seem like something other than what it really is. You can say all day long how this crazy little whore almost took them out at the knees while spitting and scratching and kicking at them in such a violent manner that the officer had to deliver a single strike to the head in order to stop her actions and then explain to her afterwards that she will be shipped home in a UPS box. I don't think that narrative will fly. Not to mention that not too long ago everyone was calling for the heads of a couple narcotics guys and suburban PO's for writing a creative narrative on a weed pinch. In that video no one was slapped or threatened to be murdered.
5/21/2014 06:15:00 AM no vice does not swip-- no one swipes at homan the palm reader/scanners don't work half the time. Periodically everyone has to test swipe for a week to appease finance/payroll section. Then everything is back to normal. Most everyone has a department issued chirp or cellphone they use to communicate with eachother and so they don't really have to come I to work some days depending on what they are doing. The bureau had the most abuse when it come to theft if time and OT. The bosses won't do anything about it because hey why end a good thing. Sad to say the corruption in this department is deep rooted and sadly the patrol officers ate the only ones that are scrutinized. It's now the patrol officers abusing the system it is the connected officers that have been taken care of since they came on the job. I have worked in several units without clout and am now completing my career in patrol so I can Segway into retirement. The state is this department saddens me and the blatant abuse and corruption that goes on with members of OCD within ring placed in check is very very disappointing. We take an ethics oath every year and for what-- smoke and mirrors.
5/21/2014 06:18:00 PM
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I must be In The wrong place cause I sure as hell don't have a chirp phone and I sure as hell am there on time every day. I guess my parents raised me right and showed me some work ethic and some pride and accountability for myself. I've seen abuse all over this job and I've seen numerous coppers trying to get over and it didn't matter where they're assigned. Blaming OCD for some nutjob is retarded. Plenty of bad apples everywhere including Patrol sunshine. That is all!!!!
Then go undercover you wise guy and you handle eveything. You buy dope, buy that gun, buy that pussy, etc.... Acting 101, if you've never done it shut your mouth up
there are other cops there who could have taken action to save this guy from himself and they chose to do nothing instead.
sometimes having someone's back means stopping them from doing stupid shit.
"Active resister, cuffed or not, open hand stunning is acceptable according to the use of force order ..... Please"
Oh please, for a 100 lb female and with more than 4 officers? Hope his lawyer doesn't use this arguement. A real power trip, and a ticket to the pen. 28 years down the drain all for nothing. I bet all of you thought it was funny at first and now full of regrets.
5/21/2014 03:28:00 PM --- I agree we have many "unqualified meat heads" working in OCD. More than half the officers in that bureau were hired because of phone calls. That includes all units in OCD not just vice. The bosses are the problem. They run the show and most of these bosses made it to their spot or rank from a phone call so the vicious cycle continues. You won't change the climate of "the clout train" until you clean house and that means bosses all the way down to po. Hold supervisors accountable and start demoting and firing them when they look the other way. This will start to break the cycle.
Anonymous Last of the Dick's from A6 said...
Everyone seems to think that all suspects took a beating for any type of offense back in the 70's & 80's,
Believe me when I say that nothing could be further from the truth. We certainly we're not afraid to interrogate people, and we did a much more thurough job of investigating back then.
Now a days it seems like everyone is looking for any excuse to use so you can just sit on your backside and do nothing. Or else just stop thinking and trying to be proactive and wait around for your boss to tell you what has to be done. (The boss telling you what has to be done was always good for a laugh in the good old days) .
And all those Detectives who take great pride in telling any one who will listen that they are homicide detectives. How many cases do you clear by arrest, clearing, and closing. Seems to me that those exceptional clearing and closing of older cases that know one is keeping an eye on any more seems to be your major type of activity. You have to get off of the computer and leave the office and talk to people to solve cases. Not a lot of that going on anymore.
I have worked with a lot of younger officers who were great police officers, but a whole lot of you younger guys & gals leave a lot to be desired.$
As one who was there, I agree with most of what you say. Everybody didn't get an ass beating, and true interrogations meaning actually sitting down talking to people and gaining their confidence seems to be a lost art. You are right about waiting for the boss to tell you what had to be done in those days that would have been laughable. There are great police officers now and back then we also had police officers who left a lot to be desired too.
5/21/2014 07:24:00 PM
Did you keep witnesses locked in the area until they gave statements?
I'm glad you were such a great cop, but don't fear because it ain't over for you yet. I work part time for a downtown law firm and guess what. The next line of lawsuits is looking at murder convictions where witnesses were held, sometimes for days. Sometimes they were taken directly from the area to the grand jury. Those are the juicy cases and the lawyers are calling them "overnighters".
Surprise,surprise when those witnesses are interviewed today they say that what they testified to was a lie. They say they only repeated their GJ testimony at trial because they were threatened with perjury if they recanted.
How many cases do they have that fit this mold? Thousands. So, don't you worry, you'll be back in the saddle sooner than you know. Only ths time, you'll have some money in the game. You can tell the federal civil jury how good you were at closing cases. They may knock off a few grand on your punitives.
RE: yawwwwnnnn... are you sad to be on a beat car??? Awwwwww, to bad sooo saddd. Well, 26 years on and the last 20 have been in a unit. Gangs South, SOS and now in Gang Investigations. about 2 1/2 more years left and im gone at 53. Its been a great run while in units. Had great fun working in the district but why the hatred hater??? Im having a great time here and will be a great way to retire. 20 years in units, its like ive been the police but havent had to put up with all the garbage you have to put up with.. works out good for some people.. and yes, im trying to rub it in hard. Quit your crying you little whiny bi*ch....
We will see who is crying when your pension is gone or reduced....only a matter of time...not trying to rub it in but....just sayin...
Who cares I don't care about much Go play police and enjoy
If the Sgt is standing there and tells the guy what to do, he's a jagoff.
If the Sgt is not there, and the PO fucks up, the Sgt is a jagoff.
make up your mind.
Right so sgt does nothing just being the good guy Make up your mind jagbag the sgt is the supervisor or was he hiding in the car in case it went bad. Now where am I on the list for promotion
5/22/2014 02:51:00 AM never said there weren't bad apples in patrol. The bigger problem is the type of behavior seen in the video is business as usual for many officers in OCD. It is harder for patrol officers in uniform to get away with this type of behavior because the officers stand out because of the uniform and all the video and recording equipment around them. OCD not so much and they pretty much get away with whatever they want until something like this suffices. I know because I have been there and done that. Pretending this type of behavior isn't a problem is why we are constantly embarked by our own. Learning to control ones temper is a skill that is learned and being professional even when you want to open a can of whoop ass on someone means that you have developed the skills necessary to do your job. Perhaps Communication classes and anger management should be integrated into cod training. Acting like a bully on the playlot was learned in middle school.
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
hey suburb guy,
sorry your feelings got hurt. go stop in a walgreens where everything isn't locked up, buy some tissues, and wipe your eyes in your brand new police car with working headlights, a/c, computer, etc. and on that computer that works, start your own blog. 99.9% of Chicago police have at one time or another, backed up a suburban, state, or other agency without hesitation. have a safe shift, try and relax.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have seen Frank even angrier than that! One time we hit White Castle before we did an operation angel. He was wearing his vest and raid vest and the cashier charged him Full Boat! His face turned red and he demanded to the cashier that he get his police discount. The manager came out and apologized as the cashier was new but what a cheap prick Frank was and still is. He penny pinched to pay this civil lawsuit! We alway thought that he was this angry towards women because they shot him down throughout life!!
5/22/2014 01:00:00 AM
YOU are a total ass.
Anonymous said...
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM
Yes, you should expect it here. From what I've seen, suburban departments by far display a higher level of professionalism overall than CPD. How many suburban officers make the headlines for stupid incidents like this? It's extremely rare.
5/21/2014 08:47:00 AM
I don't know who this guy is (original poster). I work the burbs. We will be T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E-D for much less than that and it will happen much quicker.
Anonymous said...
Some slick lawyer puts out an edited tape and you guys are on your keyboards like a bunch of 13 year old boys. I am not sticking up for them, but I am not bad mouthing them either. The bottom feeding lawyers will do that well enough.
The only post with anything important to say was the guy that said we shouldn't be allowed to wear shorts.
5/21/2014 05:29:00 AM
Wow! You must be one of those detectives who defended the departments investigation of Venecko and still do.
Who's the asshole who keeps saying the tape is edited, the tape is edited????? Hey moron, the damage is already done you freakin iidot!! And what we do see is plain and simple, they didn't do shit right! Those know it all officers didn't know how to do anything right from the get go. Even if it was edited, there's enough damage in those few minutes to bury everyone standing there!? Go back to patrol and learn something before going to a bullshit unit you think is hot shit. And these officers I bet tell themselves everyday this beats patrol! This beats patrol! We're an elite unit! Yeah yeah!! Your really a waste of a badge, get over yourselves, maybe try calling your clout or phone calls to get your sorry ass out of another jam!! Good luck!!!! Hope you saved for that lawsuit.
Of course the tape is edited. Did you expect the 30 minute news to show a 45 minute tape? the CPD and ASA have the unedited tape. When the court or Freedom on infomation wants the tape, you get the whole tape. The CPD and ASA don't do investigations based on an edited tape.
"The "Film was edited"...
"The arrestee resisted"..
"The arrestee was an Active Resistor"...
1)She weighed 100Lbs....
2)She was falsely accused of not being a citizen. As if we do anything about that...
3)Her, and her family were told they would be dead.
I dont know what the rest of the video could possibly bring to light in justifying the donut shaped officer's actions. This guy is a true Homer Simpson.
I'm going out on a limb and guessing that the officer has a problem with women and has been repressed sexually. For some reason, these "Types" gravitate to prostitution units. Any vice unit should screen people like this out. We all know who they are. I have seen, and heard of, too many officers "talking to the working ladies" for way too long. First name basis even...I have seen non-arresting officers hover over the girls when one is brought in for processing. Creepy, Very Creepy...
You're my hero. F. M
To the people that say under no conditions can u hit a cuffed person. Review your use of force. Someone can still kick and bite causing them to be a high level assailant. Just make sure you can explain it.
Thank God po's aren't on the jury, they'd be your worst nightmare. I'm not sure but from what little I saw of the video--she looked, "combative," I know it's apparently been a long time since the comment section made an arrest, but last I knew if someone hits you, you're authorized to hit back. Man, maybe you should decide which side you're on and stop being jealous of where someone's assigned. It may be you someday.
So it's ok to smack someone on the head when handcuffed? It's ok to be racists and tell the arrestee that they will be shipped back to china in a box?
Oh, I suppose it's ok for no matter what race you are to commit acts of prostitution and kick, bite and spit on police trying to do their job? Let's not forget the police didn't just pick this place out of a hat--they're criminals! What is wrong with you? Do you think the answer to everything is to call it an act of racism? Apparently you're, "Cool-head Luke," when you're in a combative situation, you must be amazing. Instead of calling it racist, why don't you call it what it is, a non tax-paying whore who lives her life treating America as if it's her own personnel toilet to shit in and shit on. Next time a crime is committed, let's all write an invitation to turn themselves in at their convenience.
And to Mister A & B
A) I'm far from being an idiot, which leads me to believe your intuition and instinct leaves a lot to be desired, and,
B) you're wrong--don't know the man, and never intend to meet him.
C) I'm sure you're doing a fine job making arrests "alone," because anyone willing or wanting to work with you would have a screw loose. Try looking up the word, "camaraderie." Practice it.
"yawwwwnnnn... are you sad to be on a beat car??? Awwwwww, to bad sooo saddd..."
5/21/2014 10:56:00 PM
Hey cherry-boy, no hate here and the whiny bitch is you.
What's wrong coward? You get nervous when there's talk about blowing up units and hiding spots and sending every living ass back to Patrol where they're needed?
Heh... Every living ass except YOUR'S right?
Fucker... Your shirt must be that special shade of blue.
P.S. No one likes a braggart and a meathead. Congrats, you pulled both off.
Who is/was the C.O. of that unit ?
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
5/21/2014 02:57:00 PM
Well said. -cpd
Yes we are better in everyday situations. What you guys might see once a week some of us see daily.
I can't bring myself to watch the video. The description of what is alleged to have happened is depressing enough.
That being said where was the CCSPD in this? Isn't this Tom Dart territory? I mean somewhere right now possibly on north Western Avenue or Irving Park Road there is a rub and tug occurring and it must be STOPPED. I can just picture Dart in his brown Mt Carmel jacket speaking before the cameras.
We need to prioritize crime in this department and if there is no suggestion of human trafficking or women being forced into this profession we should ignore it. Think of this as about as useful as busting kids for having weed at lollapalooza.
Years ago I heard a story of a bust at one of these places where one of the "customers" was alleged to have been a retired high ranking police official. The mental image of him trying to "escape" with his pants around his ankles brings joy to my heart to this day.
If the Sgt is standing there and tells the guy what to do, he's a jagoff.
If the Sgt is not there, and the PO fucks up, the Sgt is a jagoff.
make up your mind.
Right so sgt does nothing just being the good guy Make up your mind jagbag the sgt is the supervisor or was he hiding in the car in case it went bad. Now where am I on the list for promotion
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The Sgt was there...my point was (and is) that oftentimes here I read that the sgt told me what to do, I'm smart I don't need to be told.
OR, the PO did something wrong, where was the sgt to stop him. You can't have it both ways.
If you ever do get promoted, you will see the other side. I hope that you do.
You hit someone who is cuffed and you deserve to lose your job...
Couldn't agree more. I instantly lose respect for any PO who hits a cuffed person. To me, it's the ultimate Pussy Act. Oh, I'm soooo tough...as long as the other person can't defend his/herself. The fact that this p.o.s. did it to a woman makes it that much more Puussied.
5/21/2014 06:53:00 AM
I am sure both of these posters are referring to offenders who are cuffed and are compliant. They certainly are not referring to an assailant who is cuffed and is still fighting, making him an ASSAILANT!
I am not using this video as a reference.
Doesn't matter. Cuffed=end of story. When will people get the hint, you can't talk to or treat people like shit. It's not right first off, secondly, everything and everyone has a camera. If you are just an asshole, skip to number 2 and keep that in mind.
Given the way PO's talk to each other, I'm not surprised to see them treat citizens in this manner.
28 years of pension at risk. Shame.
One of the coppers was bit on the arm, another kicked by that girl.
Who cares if she's a whore! Isn't it bad enough having to be a whore? Does she have to get her ass beat in too?
to 5/21 12:52am ditto
the fact that this jerk behaved this way showed me his Sgt. has already condoned this behavior. It's been my experience on our dept that the sheep follow the herder. Folks working for nitwits behave similarly and folks working for professional ladies and gents act likewise.
nonymous said...
5/21/2014 06:15:00 AM no vice does not swip-- no one swipes at homan the palm reader/scanners don't work half the time. Periodically everyone has to test swipe for a week to appease finance/payroll section. Then everything is back to normal. Most everyone has a department issued chirp or cellphone they use to communicate with eachother and so they don't really have to come I to work some days depending on what they are doing. The bureau had the most abuse when it come to theft if time and OT. The bosses won't do anything about it because hey why end a good thing. Sad to say the corruption in this department is deep rooted and sadly the patrol officers ate the only ones that are scrutinized. It's now the patrol officers abusing the system it is the connected officers that have been taken care of since they came on the job. I have worked in several units without clout and am now completing my career in patrol so I can Segway into retirement. The state is this department saddens me and the blatant abuse and corruption that goes on with members of OCD within ring placed in check is very very disappointing. We take an ethics oath every year and for what-- smoke and mirrors.
5/21/2014 06:18:00 PM
Court is the biggest scam out there, especially 26th street. Released by asa??? Yeah, 4 hours ago, but by all means hang out all day and get paid for it.
sorry your feelings got hurt. go stop in a walgreens where everything isn't locked up, buy some tissues, and wipe your eyes in your brand new police car with working headlights, a/c, computer, etc. and on that computer that works, start your own blog. 99.9% of Chicago police have at one time or another, backed up a suburban, state, or other agency without hesitation. have a safe shift, try and relax.
Awww you feeling a little jealous big tough guy ghetto Police? When you signed up for your job were all the cars shiny and new? Were the neighborhoods clean and without crime? STFU cry baby. You knew what you were getting when you took that shit job. A lot of good guys and gals on CPD just like in the burbs, but I swear a lot of fucking complaining. Yes...you work in the ghetto, no...people generally do not like you, yes....the dept sucks, it always did, no....the equipment is not going to get better, it's never going to be good, and it never will, yes... your bosses suck, yes...you have to live in the city and yes..you should have stayed working for that suburban Dept you left to come to CPD. I'll borrow ya some of my tissues now
The take down of this place was pure slop and overly aggressive. The team could have walked in calmly announcing their office and cleared every room of bodies. Instead of grabbing the female owner and pulling her to the floor, he should have just said this is a vice investigation, we ask you to cooperate, show us your business licenses, and we will be on our way. These cases do not require an entry as if it was Osama bin laden cave.
Just wonder how this will affect the ASA office with future cases of defendants producing a video that contradicts the police reports and police testimony. Besides dropping the charges on the defendants, Will the ASA start charging the police with perjury?
And thank phat fill for bringing those two cops to vice. They were personal picks of his.
The Sgt. was there and told the officer to stop talking. The Sgt. has been trying to dismantle that team for over two years and get some working coppers from patrol but was met with a lawsuit and 3 grievances because those officers are afraid to go back to patrol and do some work. the problem is the bosses that put those people there that do not deserve to be in a unit. Did not do anything in patrol but can get a spot in a unit because of who they know when the working coppers that deserve a spot in a unit can't get it because they don't know the right person. Blame the top brass for sponsoring those officers and not doing anything to get rid of them.
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
5/21/2014 02:57:00 PM
Well said. -cpd
Yes we are better in everyday situations. What you guys might see once a week some of us see daily.
Hey ass wipe, did you go fishing for you bag of weed. WTF is your problem talking shit to burb popo. They deal with the same shit stains as we do and you brag about the pimpy police work they have everyone doing right now. what did you get 40 contact cards. the dept doesn't allow police work any more. we are in damage control
Fire the supervisor that was on scene .
If he did this while handcuffed yes that's a problem, I also saw the female agitated and appeared to slap the cop.
Use of force model be damned - I cannot think of a single scenario where it would be necessary or reasonable to hit a handcuffed offender.
I am a CPD officer. The attitude amongst some of my colleagues in regards to them being the "real police" and suburban and state police being "fake" is bullshit. It is completely preposterous. I believe that suburban and state troopers have a more difficult job. Because they work mostly by themselves and their nearest backup is very far away.
5/21/2014 07:44:00 PM
Your suburban brothers and sisters appreciate this no-nonsense attitude and accurate commentary. Thank you, sir!
Where was the Sergeant of this team ?? For these coppers to act this way is just what the public portray us as, ANIMALS. Best of all is that they all made false statements to IPRA, now all will be hung out to dry on a Rule 14 violation. I don't know how much time these guys have on the job, but don't you check for cameras.
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM
Have you seen the written test to get on CPD? It's written at a (no joke) 6th grade reading level
Knowledge of camera's and recorders being everywhere would be one good reason not to do it. So would not doing it because it's wrong.
That girl surely started screaming when she witnessed "Lumpy" coming at her in those Florida-retiree Bermuda shorts. I know I did.
To the know it all that thinks that what a suburban cop sees in one week the almighty CPD sees in one day: come work in the "suburbs" of Calumet City, Chicago Heights, Blue Island, Maywood, Belwood, or any of the other "suburbs" with the supposed wonderful new squad cars with working lights and computers that one idiot poster imagined. Come to our "nice Walgreens where everything isn't locked up." We'll show you how to ride on every call in a 10 year old squad, with lights we bought ourselves, and without a partner holding our hand next to us, waking us up from our nap - and we'll show you how to do it right. Don't worry, we'll still back you up and you can still keep telling yourself "BUT I'M CHICAGO POLICE, the REAL police." We will continue to try to keep you from stepping on your own d**ks, and you can go home to your friends and tell them that thank god you aren't a suburban cop. In the meantime we will see DAILY the same things you do. You wouldn't make it one month in a suburban department that expects and demands competence. You are what's wrong with your department. And no one cares about how much more money you make. Some of us chose this job because it's a calling to serve and protect. You remain an asshat.
Ok, anyone care to volunteer to be cuffed so I can slap you around a few times, then tell me it's effective?
Anyone?
Yea, fukkin pussies....didn't think so.
You'd last one strike, then be crying like a bitch for your lawyer after waking up...sound familiar?
RE:
Yes we are better in everyday situations. What you guys might see once a week some of us see daily.
Please after all the stupid shit CPD has done that has pretty much set back Law enforcement decades. May I count the ways, the little kid walking into the station signing out a car etc.... Abbate incident, shooting pipes inside your facilities to name just a few. Yea you are better alright. So good luck with your sinking pension, shitty work conditions, crappy bosses and 1960's bus driver uniforms....
Did you keep witnesses locked in the area until they gave statements?
I'm glad you were such a great cop, but don't fear because it ain't over for you yet. I work part time for a downtown law firm and guess what. The next line of lawsuits is looking at murder convictions where witnesses were held, sometimes for days. Sometimes they were taken directly from the area to the grand jury. Those are the juicy cases and the lawyers are calling them "overnighters".
Surprise,surprise when those witnesses are interviewed today they say that what they testified to was a lie. They say they only repeated their GJ testimony at trial because they were threatened with perjury if they recanted.
How many cases do they have that fit this mold? Thousands. So, don't you worry, you'll be back in the saddle sooner than you know. Only ths time, you'll have some money in the game. You can tell the federal civil jury how good you were at closing cases. They may knock off a few grand on your punitives.
I would like to keep YOU overnight, and beat the useless bitch out of you.....you should hope to god I never find out,. You and EVERYONE in your office are the scum of the earth and have turned this country into the criminal coddling shithole it is. Now die!!
Court is the biggest scam out there, especially 26th street. Released by asa??? Yeah, 4 hours ago, but by all means hang out all day and get paid for it.
5/22/2014 05:09:00 PM
Yeah, 26th/cal is just the greatest place to hang out. Especially after working the 1st watch all night.
You're a goof.
If I could do it all over again, I would have taken a job with the suburbs. The standards for selection is higher , the training and equipment is better, much more professional then our CPD. We are fat, sloppy, unprofessional, lack training, and some of us are just morons. Real Police? Far from it.
As far as dealing with criminals, the suburbs have it just as bad. After tearing down the projects, all bets are off. Some of the most violent offenders live in the suburbs.
My burb coppers are the best. The loud mouth CPD trailer, hair gel trash will never be the real police.
I don't recall Jack Webb ever ringing anyone's bell! Leave the dead alone. Don't make me come over there and do a D I on you, BOOT!
Anonymous said...
" Anonymous said...
I watched the video several times. It was a bad arrest. (based on what I could see).
If I was that woman, I would do the same thing. Lucky for her, she had the camera set up as no one would have believed her if she told her story. For her, she has now hit the Jackpot.
I would expect that Macho BS in some of the suburban forces where they think they are Jack Webb, but I do not think of Chicago PD when seeing the stupid action of the cop. Now, maybe I should?
5/21/2014 12:51:00 AM"
How does this sound? Go fuck yourself. I work for a suburban department and can say firsthand that we have very capable cops as well as some idiots - just like you, and every other workplace in the world. Chicago Police does not have the only "real police" and not all suburban cops think they are Jack Webb. So you can get off your baby blue shirt chest thumping. You just make yourself look like an idiot and that decisive attitude of always feeling the need to distinguish yourself from a lowly know-nothing suburban cop is behavior that none of us can afford. You would be surprised what we can learn from each other. So get off your own nuts already, you're not special and you certainly aren't a better cop because of the color of your uniform. Asshat.
5/21/2014 02:57:00 PM
Well said.
This is the same type of guy that'll tell everyone that since HE works in the ghetto, that HE's the real police. No one else is up to his lofty standards though.
He's a dickhead.
Sure are a lot of armchair quarterbacks basing their opinion on a video which was possibly edited.
If you weren't there, you don't know what happened.
Here's my take on this. The same asshats that are posting nonsense about doctored tapes are the same that made the inane comments regarding troopers, suburban and county cops. Any WORKING copper knows that we all work together on a daily basis. In many districts the adjoining suburbs are practically members of those districts. Speaking on behalf of those of us who do our jobs and manage to avoid criminal and psychotic behavior, we'd appreciate if you just stuck with your accusations of tape editing, defending the abuse of citizens, and forewarning us of the fact that may be more to come. You've already made today a worse day for all of us. Or you could just shut the fuck up. I'm shocked you haven't shut up yet.
To 5/23/2014 0230:00 am.
Nicely said my friend.
Yes, there are some very good and quiet suburbs, but mostly the burbs are mini chicagos with crime, drugs and everything that goes along with it. These suburban cops often work alone, may 3 one man cars on the street at night. things have changed. I live in the burbs now and if you listen to a police scanner you will know that their job is just as difficult as CPD. Granted, there are not as many shootings and homicides to deal with, but the rest of the crap is there. Cops and retired cops from all jurisdictions should stand together .
5/22/2014 10:44:00 PM:
There is no way you're the police. If you are, you've been in an office your whole career. You're wrong to make such an ignorant and uninformed statement that there is a never a reason to hit a handcuffed offender. Offenders in handcuffs can be just as deadly to an officer as an uncuffed offender They can kick, head butt and bite. They can also get out of their cuffs. That type of thinking is dangerous and idiotic.
Coppers so quick to judge this guy. There is some time missing from the video. Recall Rodney king video. ? I'm glad I am in kma club because the days of police backing police seem to be over. Just because someone is handcuffed does not mean they can't kick u spit on bite u etc. stay safe
Cpd spends more time at bourbon street than suburban coppers .
I don't understand the comments about handcuffed prisoners. I have had prisoners try to kick me in the head during a transport, they try to headbutt you, they spit at you and try and slip their cuffs, to become a tougher assailant or an escapee. It's like these comments are coming from civilians. Of course a compliant prisoner should not be struck. I still want to see the whole video. If you think a wiry 100 pound female can't do damage to you in some way, you're badly mistaken.
Retired
@ 230AM:
Sad part is many of them don't get it. I support CPD because no matter where I work I'm southside born and raised. Several cops I have worked with grew up in these "ghetto districts" like myself and have first hand behind the scenes experience as residents...not employees. Unfortunately, CPD continues (like many of its ghetto districts) to be its own worst enemy. From the notorious refusing to stop on traffic stops while dangling your star from the window to working on cases with burbs and the homicide dics having to preface witness interviews with I'm not CPD for people to talk. I'm from a police family and a little while back my sister had my dad's car which was totaled in a hit and run. He gets on scene and identifies himself and nobody so much as said a word to him or picked up the offender's plate left in the middle of the road. Many of us have solid friends/family that work for the city so we have good examples too but for real...say what you want: we lock and load our ARs before we deploy them, my pension fund is healthy, and as bad as my dept does us at times we don't get it stuck to us nearly as bad as you. If you still judge your individual police competency by the call volume in your area (which says nothing about your ability to write tight paper, make great arrests, or testify) you aint no real police I wanna be. As said before on this blog IF you work in Fillmore or somewhere like it and you get a gun or dope it don't make you TJ Hooker. Ray Charles could get a pistol and blows in 011. Much love to all brother and sister officers, from every dept, that do the job more than narrate it. Be safe out there boys and girls.
"""You wouldn't make it one month in a suburban department that expects and demands competence. You are what's wrong with your department. And no one cares about how much more money you make. Some of us chose this job because it's a calling to serve and protect. You remain an asshat.""""
How the hell did this start?
I'll tellya whats changed the most in the 30 years Ive been doing this. I got stopped a few weeks ago, I wont say what Dept., what officer, or where, and even tho I was a complete gentleman the guy still treated me like a jagoff.
Just remember 99% of us have the brains to know nobody is better or different ANYWHERE they Police. I'll leave this job knowing I never hurt another copper or his family, from ANY Dept., and Im proud of that. Simple tickets? Dog off the leash? Who gives a shit when its a brother PO no matter where he/she works?
Not only that but Ive never belittled them or lectured them, let alone take bread off their table. ANY LEO DEPT. ANYWHERE!
LMAO, If Chicago, and Ive been one for 30 years, is the only "real police" then we are all in serious trouble. It comes down to the individual copper.
And everyone Ive stopped, from anywheres, always got the respect they deserved. Theres a few suburban coppers who still have jobs cause they were lucky enough to have me respond.
Thats really kinda been the attitude CPD has always had. Tho honestly I dont really know what the hell is going on in Policing now.
There are several suburbs that are busier than several CPD districts. They do it 10-99 with backup more than a few blocks away. They also get micromanaged far more than we do. Whatever Suburb bias there was in the past its long overdue to put it to rest.
Use of force model be damned - I cannot think of a single scenario where it would be necessary or reasonable to hit a handcuffed offender.
5/22/2014 10:44:00 PM
Here's a scenario for ya. You and your partner are fighting with an assailant and you manage to get him cuffed. In your nimble mind the fight is over but the assailant is catching his breath and waiting for his opportunity to strike. He sees it and head buts your partner breaking his nose which effects his vision. The assailant then gives you a round house kick to your head knocking you unconscious.He then disarms you. All while handcuffed.
How about now? Do you think it would be necessary or reasonable for your partner to hit this handcuffed assailant? How about deadly force?
I know, something similar to this could never happen.
You better read that damned use of force model from front to back. It might be what keeps you from getting hurt or getting your partner hurt. Or worse.
Stay Safe.
Anonymous said...
Court is the biggest scam out there, especially 26th street. Released by asa??? Yeah, 4 hours ago, but by all means hang out all day and get paid for it.
5/22/2014 05:09:00 PM
Yeah, 26th/cal is just the greatest place to hang out. Especially after working the 1st watch all night.
You're a goof.
5/23/2014 07:56:00 AM
Just because you don't stay at 26th Street all day after you've been released doesn't mean other people don't pull that crap. It happens every day. Maybe you're too tired after working midnights to notice.
Here's a scenario for ya. You and your partner are fighting with an assailant and you manage to get him cuffed. In your nimble mind the fight is over but the assailant is catching his breath and waiting for his opportunity to strike. He sees it and head buts your partner breaking his nose which effects his vision. The assailant then gives you a round house kick to your head knocking you unconscious.He then disarms you. All while handcuffed.........
What movie are you watching? I want to watch it also. Good script!
Here's a scenario for ya. You and your partner are fighting with an assailant and you manage to get him cuffed. In your nimble mind the fight is over but the assailant is catching his breath and waiting for his opportunity to strike. He sees it and head buts your partner breaking his nose which effects his vision. The assailant then gives you a round house kick to your head knocking you unconscious.He then disarms you. All while handcuffed.
How about now? Do you think it would be necessary or reasonable for your partner to hit this handcuffed assailant? How about deadly force?
Yea and what if the offender says his name is Clark Kent and he rips off his shirt and is wearing a superman suit underneath. Then what do you do?
Anonymous said...
I don't recall Jack Webb ever ringing anyone's bell! Leave the dead alone. Don't make me come over there and do a D I on you, BOOT!
5/23/2014 08:05:00 AM
Is that sand flea a male or female? Keeppppp looking...lol
I don't understand the comments about handcuffed prisoners. I have had prisoners try to kick me in the head during a transport, they try to headbutt you, they spit at you and try and slip their cuffs, to become a tougher assailant or an escapee. It's like these comments are coming from civilians. Of course a compliant prisoner should not be struck. I still want to see the whole video. If you think a wiry 100 pound female can't do damage to you in some way, you're badly mistaken.
Retired
If you think a 100 lb female handcuffed and surrounded by 10 males and a female texting and reading her phone messages, you should be retired.
RE: Have you seen the written test to get on CPD? It's written at a (no joke) 6th grade reading level
That would explain the quality of some of the Sgt's I have met from the Mighty CPD....
Retired
If you think a 100 lb female handcuffed and surrounded by 10 males and a female texting and reading her phone messages, you should be retired.
5/23/2014 07:20:00 PM
HUH????????????? We have no idea WTF you just tried to say. Please tell us you you weren't actually a cop somewhere. Oh, you were a firefighter, that would explain it.
Here's a scenario for ya. You and your partner are fighting with an assailant and you manage to get him cuffed. In your nimble mind the fight is over but the assailant is catching his breath and waiting for his opportunity to strike. He sees it and head buts your partner breaking his nose which effects his vision. The assailant then gives you a round house kick to your head knocking you unconscious.He then disarms you. All while handcuffed.........
What movie are you watching? I want to watch it also. Good script!
5/23/2014 05:17:00
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The script has been written. Watch the Jason Bourne or James Bond movies.
TO: 5/23/2014 07:20:00 PM
My comment was not in response to this incident with ten coppers. As I stated in my first line "Comments about handcuffed prisoners"! I was responding to that, not this incident. The only reference I made to this incident is I want to see the entire video. I really am starting to see that insults never seem directed at the context of posts, only the way the readers like to misinterpret them to fit their own agenda. And last but not least, the "Retired" moniker gets the civilians that are anti-police and the "I know it all" coppers, very upset. Lately it is very hard to tell them apart!
Maybe I'm Not "Retired"
If you have a prisoner and he/she is cuffed and starts to kick at you, you are 100 percent able to strike the offender to gain control. You will have to do a TRR to explain why you had to strike your offender, who was in handcuffs. Apparently there is more to the video and once the entire video is viewed, we can't pass judgement. Earler it was mentioned what can a 100lb person possibly do and to Answer that question, do not let the weight or size determine the damage someone can do. Be safe to all and let's look after each other.
Any of you huffing and puffing about "real police" plain and simple don't even know what it means. Real police don't have to bitch and moan and dick measure on the fucking internet. Wtf is wrong with you people? You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Fucking cannibals. With this kind of shit (the video and this internet tough guy nonsense) everybody in this shithole metro area will to keep getting exactly what they fucking deserve... totally screwed.
Idiots.
This goes out to all the comments on we have to look out for each other. Do you think those fools are actually looking out for you. The answer is no, they have big egos and the idea of backing up a beat officer is beneath them. As for the 100 pound Asian woman, don't kid yourself she can't beat up a man wearing a bullet proof vest who is twice her size. Especially while handcuffed and on her knees. Face it, those dick heads are not worth protecting.
Loud mouth shit talkers in that vice unit. My ears would hurt listening to their BS.
But nice to see how the Department backs up their officers.
OK, assholes happen. If there was a convent with the headcount of the CPD there'd be a couple of amazing assholes, just statistically.
*But* everyone else hanging around like nothing's going on is what's really damning. None of the other cops seem to think there's anything not ordinary about this bozo's behavior. THAT is what kills you with the public.
What a tool. He should be working at the range with the real police.
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