CFD Contract Ratified
- Chicago firefighters will get $32 million in back pay within 75 days—and the city will get a dramatic upgrade in ambulance care — under a five-year contract advanced Tuesday that opens the door to even higher pay raises.
The agreement ratified by the City Council's Committee on Workforce Development guarantees 4,645 firefighters, paramedics and emergency medical technicians an 11 percent pay raise over five years, but ends free health care for those who retire between the ages of 55 and 65.
After Dec. 31, those retirees will be forced to contribute 2 percent of their annuities toward the cost of their health insurance until they're eligible for Medicare.
Not a perfect deal. But Rahm didn't get any of the manpower cuts he was pushing. About as good as could be expected.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Does this mean we won't see a huge fire truck and five firemen piling off the truck pretending to be an ambulance crew anymore? We're going to get REAL ambulances responding, with paramedics? What a concept! (World class city my ass.)
My retiree health insurance is 11% of my annuity Id take 2% in a heartbeat
11 percent raise, but an increase in medical contributions and no free medical at 55. I say they can keep there raise, just don't mess with my benefits.
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?
Losing health care big deal. The city now has their foot in the door too say your on your own with medical.
How about giving a copy to any Officer who is on the list also.
The last guy to know about it would be the guy who's name is listed.
Fire's down and they have manning. They work a 24 hour shift where for the most part they get their rest and sleep.
If I were a fireman the only thing I would be worried about is the pay.
Just saying. Also I mean no disrespect to any firefighters. You have a great job, one in 8 is a supervisor.
It's just the tip. The raises are not going to keep pace with the real inflation rate and I'll bet ya this will all be back on the table right after elections.
Like the non-stop challenges to the US constitution.
Based on the "state of most municipalities - including Chicago", I think it was a good deal.
Detroit had to have "givebacks" from retirees and re-do their pensions so this should not be looked at as a bad deal.
Looks like the cops are being viewed more and more as the enforcement arm of criminal organizations.
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The Stealing Of America By The Cops, The Courts, The Corporations And Congress
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/22/2014 - 22:30
“What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy
Call it what you will—taxes, penalties, fees, fines, regulations, tariffs, tickets, permits, surcharges, tolls, asset forfeitures, foreclosures, etc.—but the only word that truly describes the constant bilking of the American taxpayer by the government and its corporate partners is theft. What Americans don’t seem to comprehend is that if the government can arbitrarily take away your property, without your having much say about it, you have no true rights. You’re nothing more than a serf or a slave.
more:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/stealing-america-cops-courts-corporations-and-congress
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/stealing-america-cops-courts-corporations-and-congress
It seems like better than the coppers last deal. Of course the FD guys may have someone that knows how to deal, bargain and dicker.
Another black eye on the international stage for Illinois.
Wealthy Illinois Tycoon Appears At The Center of Chinese Meat Scandal
The ruckus over expired meat in fast-food restaurants in China has placed a little-known Illinois company in the spotlight—along with its wealthy chairman and chief executive Sheldon Lavin.
Chains like McDonald’s, Yum Brand’s KFC, Burger King and Starbucks SBUX +1.46% have admitted to using expired meat from Shanghai Husi Food following an investigation by Shanghai authorities. Shanghai Husi managers said they were “appalled.” “Our company management believes this to be an isolated event, but takes full responsibility for the situation and will take appropriate actions swiftly and comprehensively,” the company said a press release.
Shanghai Husi’s corporate parent is far from China. It’s the $5.7 billion (sales) OSI Group , a meat processor headquartered in Aurora, Illinois. OSI has long appeared on FORBES’ list of the Largest Private Companies in America.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2014/07/22/wealthy-illinois-tycoon-appears-at-the-center-of-chinese-meat-scandal/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
to all you Phil Cline haters, if you do your homework, i.e. read the annual reports of the cpmf one would see his salary comes from the corporate sponsors, not from the donations of officers and civilian members of the fund.
once again, idiots (like liberals) spouting off about what they perceive without fact checking
7/22/2014 05:24:00 PM
You are, obviously, one of his few minions. Go spout your rhetoric to someone that doesn't know Phat Phuck Phil. In fact, you're probably one of those meritorious hacks that got made because of that prick!
I hope FOP doesn't agree to the same health care issue.
55-65, does this mean they can stay until 65 not 63 like us.
Well, guess we're going to expect 11% over the next 5 years...
How bout upgrading the new explorers so that my knees wont get crushed in the passenger seat during a head on collision. And I'm just 6ft even !
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
Losing health care big deal. The city now has their foot in the door too say your on your own with medical.
This way Rahm can give it all the useless ghetto rats in exchange for a vote
take advantage of the 55 and out medical while you still can...
didnt we forgive the city a 25 million payment to our pension fund for the 55 free medical. cfd forgave nothing , we paid for the free 55 we need to keep it. HELLO FOP
Anonymous Anonymous said...
to all you Phil Cline haters, if you do your homework, i.e. read the annual reports of the cpmf one would see his salary comes from the corporate sponsors, not from the donations of officers and civilian members of the fund.
once again, idiots (like liberals) spouting off about what they perceive without fact checking
7/22/2014 05:24:00 PM
You are, obviously, one of his few minions. Go spout your rhetoric to someone that doesn't know Phat Phuck Phil. In fact, you're probably one of those meritorious hacks that got made because of that prick!
7/23/2014 02:02:00 AM
The man makes how much in pensions benefits and it's still not enough. Gotta make sure he doubles that with an extra $157000.00.
And, it's still $157k that could be going to help needy officers instead of feeding Phat Phil !!
As a non cop, non union worker in the private sector, this doesnt seem bad. Please explain how an 11% raise and now having to kick in 2% for healthcare sucks. I MAYBE get a 1% raise each year, i pay nearly 20% of each of my checks to health insurance, and There is no way my shitty 401k will take care of me like a pension would (if Rahm pays you guys your funds)
I realize my sales job is nothing like a cop or FF, risking life and limb for people, and some savages. But I also think the system cant support funding everyone through retirement and for healthcare. Maybe its politicians stealing, broken promises that got somebody elected, etc. I just wanted some clarity. Im not trying to be disrespectful to first responders.
How do you stop making a payroll deduction to the memorial fund? $116k is too much.
Keep in mind the state law which required retirees to begin contributing to their health care, passed in 2012 I believe, was just struck down by the Illinois Supreme Court. The health care was determined to be a pension benefit, which could not be reduced. Prior to this law, retirees (in state unions), with 20 years of service or more, paid ZERO towards medical.
The Fired Dept. did not have this info when they negotiated. But they did have it when they ratified. The ruling just came out a few weeks ago.
What does it mean for us? Who knows. There is still a whole lot up in the air.
Will the Illinois General Assembly change the pension law to increase our contributions now? Like they did for the Chicago Park District???
Anonymous said...
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
7/23/2014 04:07:00 AM
It is a Fire Department contract. Any new police department isn't even agreed to yet. Then approval by the membership, then approval by the City Council, then it goes into effect at some future date.
Obamacare will soon provide high quality medical for all. This includes cops and fire persons.
55-65, does this mean they can stay until 65 not 63 like us.
Uh, no... It means that, as a retiree, it costs you 2% until you're eligible for Medicare at age 65. However, it is still free premiums if you retire at age 60+.
This WILL be the arrangement for FOP as well, so prepare for it.
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?
If CFD lost it you can bet the bank that we won't see it. And since we are the last contract to settle, don't be surprised if we lose more so Rahm can save face and brag to the cameras how much he has saved the city.
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
I'm sure any one retired now will be grandfathered in. But that is the fire fighters union we're talking about. The FOP? Not sure with the new board members in place but if their history teaches us anything get ready to bend over.
Wake up people! CFD has a me-to clause. This is what we are going to get too. Not sure why it's taking so long. It's our contract too without the one year of retro.
How do you trust anyone that holds back $32 million dollars of your already earned pay and then uses that $32 million dollars as a bargaining chip creating the illusion that you won something in negotiations when the money was already yours to begin with!
It must be a good deal. All the firemen at the firehouse near my pretty loft were singing and dancing with each other last night.
On second thought, they pretty much do that every night.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I am Chicago Fireman, and to answer a few of the questions here..no, someone who is already retired on the 55 and out provision does not have to pay the 2% of their annuity towards insurance. We do have to retire by 63, except the paramedics, they have no mandatory age to retire. 2% of a patrolmans pension , maxed at 75% will be in the area of 120 bucks a month, not bad at all in the grand scheme of things. We kept manning, so they have to keep hiring, duty availability increased, kept the uniform allowance, and specialty training pay, and 11% on a firemans salary is a whole lot more than it was when we first came on. The candidates are still in our pension, and they intend to hire a few hundred more, plus a few hundred more medics in the coming months. We only are allowed 150 members to leave on the 55 medical provision, all by seniority, most are officers, meaning more promotions for everyone. The Police are definitely underpaid, I hope your union gets you what you truly deserve. Be safe out there...
Does anyone know who else steals I mean collects a salary from the memorial fund? I'm guessing they are all friends of phil. Even charities are corrupt in Chicago.
Good contract for firefighters
Fop should demand our staffing remains the same as it was in the 1980's . Two man cars on 1st and 3rd watch, 3 or more wagons every watch in every district .
CPD has received the sh---y end of the stick .
3 men to change a light bulb , 1 man to patrol a beat car .
So...how long until we get our contract?
OT --
SCC, thanks for your continuing work to out the truth.
Remember Sarah Naughton, that Crook Co ASA who went ballistic and waved he badge around after she and her boyfriend caused a commotion at the dildo shop on the north side?
The Crook Co judicial system cleared her completely of all criminal charges -- one wouldn't expect anything less. But now the ARDC has finally served her with a complaint.
Maybe the ARDC can do what the judge should've done -- meted out some justice.
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https://www.iardc.org/14PR0068CM.html
In the Matter of:
SARAH A. NAUGHTON,
Attorney-Respondent,
COMPLAINT
1. From 2008 through April 10, 2013, Respondent was employed as an Assistant State's Attorney with the Office of the Cook County State's Attorney. Respondent resigned her position as an Assistant State's Attorney in April 2010. Respondent was assigned to a felony preliminary hearings courtroom at the time of her resignation.
2. In her position as an Assistant State's Attorney, Respondent was a minister of justice as a representative of the people of the state of Illinois, sworn to support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Illinois.
3. On September 22, 2012, Respondent and a male companion, Bradley Gould ("Gould"), attended a Chicago Cubs baseball game where they were drinking alcoholic beverages. They continued drinking after leaving the game at a local bar and then a restaurant with family and friends.
4. On September 22, 2012, .... was near an adult merchandise store located at 854 W. Belmont Avenue in Chicago called "Taboo Tabou."
5. .... Shortly after entering Taboo Tabou, Respondent and Gould began creating a disturbance by stumbling and speaking in loud voices and were asked by the store manager, Dinah Pineda, to leave the store. Respondent pulled a badge from her purse and told Pineda "you can't do this to me I'm a State's Attorney."
6. Respondent opened the door to Taboo Tabou and poked her head through, while yelling "bitches" at Pineda and another employee. At the same time, Respondent and Gould were banging on the glass windows of the store while shouting and making obscene gestures.
7. Ms. Pineda then called the Blue Havana cigar store, which is next door to Taboo Tabou, and has the same owner, to ask for help from an employee of that store, to see if he could get Respondent and Gould to leave and generally to diffuse the situation. At the same time Pineda call "911" for assistance.
8. David Boone, the employee from Blue Havana, arrived and repeatedly asked Respondent and Gould to leave, but they only became more belligerent. Respondent went into her purse again and presented her States Attorney's badge to Boone. Respondent swung at Boone. Boone tried to walk away from her, but Respondent fell. .....
9. The police arrived and placed Respondent in handcuffs and in a police SUV where she managed to get her hands out of the handcuffs. Respondent was taken out of the SUV by a female officer, re-handcuffed and put back in the vehicle. Respondent told the officer at least six times that she was an Assistant State's Attorney. Respondent called the officer "a cunt, slut, bitch whore, and dyke" and slapped at her. Respondent got out of the handcuffs again and was kneeling on the floor of the vehicle attempting to vomit. Respondent was taken out of the vehicle again and, while sitting on the curb, proceeded to try to make herself throw up while screaming obscenities.
10. After the police interviewed witnesses, Respondent and Gould were arrested. Respondent was ultimately charged with attempted official misconduct, battery, resisting arrest, criminal trespass to property, assault and disorderly conduct. People v. Sarah Naughton, 12 MC 1260599. Following a bench trial, Judge Anthony John Calabrese found Respondent and Gould not guilty on all charges on April 5, 2013.
11.
Anonymous said...
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?
7/23/2014 12:21:00 AM
This benefit was paid for by the Federal govn't under Obamacare until 2014. This benefit was never something the Unions 'negotiated', the City offered it because they got higher paid employees off the payroll and because it wasn't costing the city a dime. Now with Federal funds gone (for now), the city is trying to recoup some of the costs for healthcare while getting higher paid employees off the role. It's amazing how many people have no idea this program was paid for by Obamacare until 2014
Anonymous said...
55-65, does this mean they can stay until 65 not 63 like us.
7/23/2014 02:27:00 AM
Ummmm, no. If police or fire retire at Age 60-63, the city picks up free health insurance until Age 65. If police or fire retire at age 59, they get nothing free unless they take the 2% deal. Medicare kicks in at age 65, that's why the city picks up the free insurance for those between 60-63. It was part of the deal when the city instituted mandatory retirement
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
7/23/2014 04:07:00 AM
It doesn't affect those already retired under the 55 health care plan. They signed a contract, and they all were paid for by federal funds under the Affordable Care Act. Money ran out under that program in 2014, but the word is the pols are working to get more money for that program.
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?
7/23/2014 12:21:00 AM
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Yes of course...
When the FOP contract is settled it WILL BE 2% like everyone else... Duh?
These raises won't even keep up with the CPI. Those that say "I don't get a raise in my job...." are losing money too. This is a back door paycut, if raises don't keep up with inflation, the city collects more revenue because taxes are based on percentages while workers lose money because their raises are less than inflation. ALL workers that don't get a raise equal to the Consumer Price Index are taking a back door pay cut.
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
7/23/2014 04:07:00 AM
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NO
If you retired under the free age 55 insurance[until Medicare age] deal that was/is a CONTRACT.
The CONTRACT means you are GUARANTEED the free health care from the city.
If the city attempts to scam you/us out of it, they will lose in court.
Well, guess we're going to expect 11% over the next 5 years...
7/23/2014 03:00:00 AM
Maybe not. Notice the Fire contract is longer than the Seargents. The Patrolmens contract will not be as long as Fire. Rahm pulled the Firefighters Union executive board aside after the contracts were signed and THANKED them for not dragging his family through the mud, he said the extra raise was for keeping negotiations professional. One thing good the Fire Union did was not negotiate at all in the press, they did however put a ton of resources into he We Are One movement and they heavily funded lobbies t's in Springfield.
How about stop crashing cars when your going to some bullshit calls or even when trying to get to a 10-1...remember you do no good involved in a crash...also keep the fucken raises but don't fuck with my medical!!!! Remember that many of the population don't even get to see there retirement after a certain age because of the bodies wear and tear. Many of us at age 40 are already in and out of doctors with issues...were not made of steel here folks...your gonna need that medical benefits soon don't fuck that up!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
7/23/2014 04:07:00 AM
No.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Based on the "state of most municipalities - including Chicago", I think it was a good deal.
Detroit had to have "givebacks" from retirees and re-do their pensions so this should not be looked at as a bad deal.
7/23/2014 12:38:00 AM
The difference is, Detroit is insolvent and Chicago is not. Stop believing the media, which is fed lies by the administration. As long as we have TIFs, we have extraordinary reserves. Forcing the City to use the TIF monies should be our sole focus.
how is 2.2 % per year a good deal? Again, CPS will be allowed to raise property taxes to the max allowable to fund their budgets and whatever unforeseeable but pretty predictable city council will give themselves an outrageous salary increase on a Friday afternoon on a holiday weekend no doubt ( it's been a few years now since their last increase)and The FOP will tell us how good or best deal possible this is for now only to get blindsided by the city who will lo ball us into thinking this will be the best deal take it or leave it, when they clearly throw it into our faces that there is no money BUT we're giving this organization X amount of millions of dollars here or there. Remember they cant give us 200 - 300 million in raises but they sure as hell find the endless millions to give to every Tom Dick and Harry project/organization/park etc etc...BULLshit!!!
Show us, better yet, prove to us how proud you were of us during the NATO summit or for making your midget ass look good on the world stage how many times over !!!! and give us a 5 year 16 % raise Mr. " it's about the children" bullshitter!! i Have mouths to feed also and it's about my children you little prick! make it worth our while, amuse us
Those already retired via 55 and out are not effected. Only those going forward pay the 2%.
When you say "ends free health care" does it affect those who already retired with the 55 and out?
YES Ommacare is what you'll get
Everyone on the USA will have it
Enjoy!!
Thanks for voting Democratic
Shields is going to get us a great contract
If big phil was concerned about the memorial fund he would donate the so called " corporate money" to the fund. Instead he takes the money. Just taking the money from one pot instead of another. Still a scam.
11% over 5 years is good , no retro , not so good .
The city should raise mandatory retirement age to 67 . I would love to stay an extra few years , that OT is nice .
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?
7/23/2014 12:21:00 AM
Only if we're dumb enough to vote it out of the contract for some pittance of a raise.
Well, guess we're going to expect 11% over the next 5 years...
7/23/2014 03:00:00 AM
Don't you mean 6 years? Don't forget, Shields and company threw away a year.
Hey its not about "hating Cline" its about how much percentage of each dollar that coppers donate goes to administration costs and the like, including Cline's salary. Look up the figures on charities for yourself. I did and discontinued to fund many charity CEO's millioneer lifestyle. The facts are really sad. Your better off giving a 5 dollar bill directly to someone in need!
And this goof McCarthy is in a whale of shit because of his Newark antics. This chump has to go
It does not effect those who are already on the 55 and out health insurance. The 2% for the fireman doesn't kick in until next year. If your close to 55 better hope our contract doesn't get settled until next year.
I agree w/the person talking about the new CPD Sleds. A person that's 72 inches high(that's not that tall)is constantly trying to negotiate a way out upon a simple routine traffic stop.
"""Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?"""
Talked to Pension board today. If your date is next year your probably going to lose out.
All depends on the new contract getting done, and when.
Anonymous said...
11% over 5 years is good , no retro , not so good .
The city should raise mandatory retirement age to 67 . I would love to stay an extra few years , that OT is nice .
7/23/2014 01:08:00 PM
Get a freaking life! Retire and enjoy the family, not worry about O.T. You sound like a complete jackass wanting to work till you are 67, this is a young mans job not one for a senior citizen. Maybe I'm the odd one but I can't wait till 29 and a day so I can pull the pin on this joke of a job and rotten ass city/state.
765B
It doesn't affect those already retired under the 55 health care plan. They signed a contract, and they all were paid for by federal funds under the Affordable Care Act. Money ran out under that program in 2014, but the word is the pols are working to get more money for that program.
7/23/2014 10:26:00 AM
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Obamacare has and had nothing to do with the 55 and out healthcare agreement.
The ACA was even a flash in the pan when the 55 and out agreement was made and implemented
Policy giving CPS preference riles some firefighters http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140723/downtown/plan-give-cps-grads-preference-city-hiring-riles-some-firefighters
How come no mention of this being added to the CPD December 2013 test? Why not preference points for those residing in Chicago then? Why only CPS graduates? Complete BS!
As a non cop, non union worker in the private sector, this doesnt seem bad. Please explain how an 11% raise and now having to kick in 2% for healthcare sucks. I MAYBE get a 1% raise each year, i pay nearly 20% of each of my checks to health insurance, and There is no way my shitty 401k will take care of me like a pension would (if Rahm pays you guys your funds)
I realize my sales job is nothing like a cop or FF, risking life and limb for people, and some savages. But I also think the system cant support funding everyone through retirement and for healthcare. Maybe its politicians stealing, broken promises that got somebody elected, etc. I just wanted some clarity. Im not trying to be disrespectful to first responders.
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Keep in mind the shitty hours we work. The midnight shift in and of itself is hazardous to your health just ask any doctor on the planet. Remember the shitty days off that we get. We don't get a weekend off but every 5 and 6 weeks and even that can be cancelled at the drop of a hat. Working holidays while normal people are spending time with their families and friends. Yes, I agreed to this when I took the job but the trade off was having decent benefits with a decent pension. We give up a lot in terms of having a normal life and I expect to be treated with respect and dignity when I retire.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Based on the "state of most municipalities - including Chicago", I think it was a good deal.
Detroit had to have "givebacks" from retirees and re-do their pensions so this should not be looked at as a bad deal.
7/23/2014 12:38:00 AM
The difference is, Detroit is insolvent and Chicago is not. Stop believing the media, which is fed lies by the administration. As long as we have TIFs, we have extraordinary reserves. Forcing the City to use the TIF monies should be our sole focus.
Couldn't agree more. Plus the police and fire in Detroit didn't lose anything on their actual pension, but there was some adjustments for future COLA's
Good contract for firefighters
Fop should demand our staffing remains the same as it was in the 1980's . Two man cars on 1st and 3rd watch, 3 or more wagons every watch in every district .
CPD has received the sh---y end of the stick .
3 men to change a light bulb , 1 man to patrol a beat car .
FOP didnt screw that up. The po's did. All the 1st and 3rd watch cars were 10-4, but then some of the do nothings volunteered to work 10-99 because all they got were papers jobs and didn't have to handle domestics, fights,etc.
Zen Beano said...
As a non cop, non union worker in the private sector, this doesnt seem bad. Please explain how an 11% raise and now having to kick in 2% for healthcare sucks. I MAYBE get a 1% raise each year, i pay nearly 20% of each of my checks to health insurance, and There is no way my shitty 401k will take care of me like a pension would (if Rahm pays you guys your funds)
I realize my sales job is nothing like a cop or FF, risking life and limb for people, and some savages. But I also think the system cant support funding everyone through retirement and for healthcare. Maybe its politicians stealing, broken promises that got somebody elected, etc. I just wanted some clarity. Im not trying to be disrespectful to first responders.
We pay 9% of every pay check into our (non funded) pension, and also pay into medical (don't have %). We don't get social security and also put other monies ( optional) in retirement funds. 11% over 5 years is 2.2% raise a year. We aren't that far off at all. The media plays it up so it sounds a lot better than it is. Not sure if you live in the city, or have kids. But, if you do, you put up with some of the highest taxes in the country and worst schools in the country. Yeah, the 11% sounds good, and I'll take it, it's still shit compares to what the city can and should do.
Was it Alderscum Smith who stated,in essence but not verbatim, "who wouldn't be happy with a 11% raise?How much of a raise did the City Council vote for themselves?
29 and a day said...
My retiree health insurance is 11% of my annuity Id take 2% in a heartbeat
7/23/2014 12:16:00 AM
That's only until their next contract, then it'll be 10%. The door is open.
"...Anonymous said...
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?"
(7/23/2014 12:21:00 AM)
– "...This benefit was paid for by the Federal govn't under Obamacare until 2014...It's amazing how many people have no idea this program was paid for by Obamacare..."
TRUE ! They don't remember the letter sent by City Hall a couple years ago, unfortunately I read it & tossed it or I'd post it. Anyone still have their copy?
Furthermore, the sham of ObamaCare® Insurance doesn't provide subsidies for anyone who makes more than $31k. Want Insurance, pay more for it, you're entitled to it, but at a cost more than ever before. You're paying for somebody else's subsidy.
Stalin, Alinsky, Ayers and Obama - together they can.
55 and out healthcare for CFD and soon CPD will only effect fools after 31 DEC 14 who thought they could wait forever. ALL Brothers and Sisters on CFD and CPD who knew when to leave will have FREE health Coverage until Medicare kicks in. LOL but 2% for fools waiting will be 12% in 2 yrs. City got foot in door but these fucks don't remember 1984. And then they get no COLA. In 8 yrs they FUCKED. Hope yall enjoyed your OT. LOL.
7/23/2014 01:08:00 PM are you nuts-- some of us don't want to work until we drop dead. They should have an option not mandatory.
Wake up people! CFD has a me-to clause. This is what we are going to get too. Not sure why it's taking so long. It's our contract too without the one year of retro
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CPD won't get any retro because of the letter that FOP failed to send off in a timely manner. Rahm said NO!!!!!!!!!
There is no guarantee that the city will keep paying for your insurance when u retire at 55 you are a fool to believe it. And when you file a lawsuit with the city it takes an average of 5 yrs to settle this is a fact. Good luck figuring out who's gonna pay for the 5 yrs it takes. You are !
Forcing the City to use the TIF monies should be our sole focus.
It will never happen. To many coppers afraid to work the street and loose their cushy inside spot. They coppers back stab each other makes me sick. So glad Im KMA!
How can a new contract make demands on a retiree,sounds suit worthy!
Sounds like this would be a good topic for the FOP newsletter.
I kinda get bummed out with 2 pages of religious stuff in my FOP newsletter.
I get all the bible i need at church.
How about stop crashing cars when your going to some bullshit calls or even when trying to get to a 10-1...remember you do no good involved in a crash...also keep the fucken raises but don't fuck with my medical!!!! Remember that many of the population don't even get to see there retirement after a certain age because of the bodies wear and tear. Many of us at age 40 are already in and out of doctors with issues...were not made of steel here folks...your gonna need that medical benefits soon don't fuck that up!!!!
7/23/2014 10:51:00 AM
You sound like a real go getter. GFY. Next time you call in a 10-1 maybe I'll take a CTA bus to back your play, Fucktard.
Zen Beano said...
As a non cop, non union worker in the private sector, this doesnt seem bad. Please explain how an 11% raise and now having to kick in 2% for healthcare sucks. I MAYBE get a 1% raise each year, i pay nearly 20% of each of my checks to health insurance, and There is no way my shitty 401k will take care of me like a pension would (if Rahm pays you guys your funds)
I realize my sales job is nothing like a cop or FF, risking life and limb for people, and some savages. But I also think the system cant support funding everyone through retirement and for healthcare. Maybe its politicians stealing, broken promises that got somebody elected, etc. I just wanted some clarity. Im not trying to be disrespectful to first responders.
7/23/2014 05:59:00 AM
Simple answer Zen why police and fire deserve compensation. " We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." George Orwell quote. To see first hand what police officers and firefighters have to deal with on a daily basis, especially in impoverished areas of the city, would make you gag. No better than the Taliban as far as the inhumanity inflicted on innocents. Just saying.
11% over 5 years is good , no retro , not so good .
The city should raise mandatory retirement age to 67 . I would love to stay an extra few years , that OT is nice .
7/23/2014 01:08:00 PM
Raise CPD retirement age? Retire at 67, drop dead at 67 and 1 day = zero pension payout.
Make sure to buy a second casket to hold all that VRI O.T. $$$.
to all you Phil Cline haters, if you do your homework, i.e. read the annual reports of the cpmf one would see his salary comes from the corporate sponsors, not from the donations of officers and civilian members of the fund.
once again, idiots (like liberals) spouting off about what they perceive without fact checking
7/22/2014 05:24:00 PM
It doesn't matter where his salary originates. He shouldn't be taking a salary from the CPMF. He is a scammer and a phony. He always has been no good. He created the CPMF so he would have a job after CPD. He gets 160K in retirement and 120K from the CPMF. Phat Phuck Phil is all about the money. 120K to play Santa Claus on one day a year. Fuck you and fuck Phil.
Anonymous said...
55-65, does this mean they can stay until 65 not 63 like us.
7/23/2014 02:27:00 AM
Ummmm, no. If police or fire retire at Age 60-63, the city picks up free health insurance until Age 65. If police or fire retire at age 59, they get nothing free unless they take the 2% deal. Medicare kicks in at age 65, that's why the city picks up the free insurance for those between 60-63. It was part of the deal when the city instituted mandatory retirement
7/23/2014 10:22:00 AM
Because it is in the contract we still work under is no guarantee it will be in the next contract. It isn't even a chapter or section, it is in the back, a letter of agreement. It is an add-on and can easily be taken out. That might go to an arbitrator, no matter what we want to agree to or vote for. Daley put it in to cut officers, he didn't give a shit about the pension fund. Strength is now down and the City no longer wants to shell out the money for retirees health care.
Anonymous said...
How do you stop making a payroll deduction to the memorial fund? $116k is too much.
7/23/2014 06:00:00 AM
Yup, I was thinking the same thing. Once I see where the money is going, I'll start it up again.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Forcing the City to use the TIF monies should be our sole focus.
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It will never happen. To many coppers afraid to work the street and loose their cushy inside spot. They coppers back stab each other makes me sick. So glad Im KMA!
7/23/2014 08:06:00 PM
Coppers backstabbing each other has what, exactly, to do with the citizens of Chicago, as well as us, demanding that TIF monies be used to fund pensions? You're ranting just to rant.
rahm n' garry circle jerk buddy said...
11% over 5 years is good , no retro , not so good .
The city should raise mandatory retirement age to 67 . I would love to stay an extra few years , that OT is nice .
7/23/2014 01:08:00 PM
Raise CPD retirement age? Retire at 67, drop dead at 67 and 1 day = zero pension payout.
Make sure to buy a second casket to hold all that VRI O.T. $$$.
7/23/2014 09:02:00 PM
If you are married your wife gets the widow pension, 50%. If you aren't married when you are about to retire, then marry a good friend so someone gets the money.
Find an 18 year old who will collect for a long time. I read of a Civil Ware vet who married an 18 year old when he was in his 80's. She collected a Civil War vets pension well into the 1990's. Love is blind.
Hey Zan Beano!
You have to pay medical insurance because you took a job that does not have it. Sign up for Obamacare.
If you can pay 20% of your salary for medical insurance you must be making a huge amount of money to be able to live off the balance. How much do you make.
Maybe you get a 1% raise a year. That's because salesmen work on commission.
Go sell your half-truths somewhere else.
"Just saying. Also I mean no disrespect to any firefighters. You have a great job, one in 8 is a supervisor."
Well said. They have 5 less exempts on a dept. 1/3rd the size of CPD. Gold Star exempts are the biggest drain on your Pension and their numbers keep getting bigger.
Another year no raise thanks again mikey
Pay the hundreds of damm outstanding tuition bills out there its bull crap that the city is holding the payments...Isn't this a violation of contract under bad faith in the cities attempt to delay tuition reimbursement its bull!!! Fop what the hell how much longer are we waiting for to make decisions where is the damm support from the hall om this matter no word yet while hundreds of greiviences are pending!!!
Phil only works 6 months a year on memorial fund wining and dining potential donors. Other 6 months he spends in his newer higher condo in Florida. Those who associate with him are just like him. Greedy self serving slick.
"Early retiremee reinsurance program (Errp), for those retirees, and their spouse and defendants, between ages of 55 and 64, enacted through the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and signed into law beginning June 1, 2010 until January 1st, 2014. "
I have mentioned this on the blog a few times over the past few years, and this is the first time I have seen someone else comment. The city of Chicago applied for these federal monies and got it. The city did their fuzzy math and estimated some figures of how to divide these monies amongst a specific number of retirees. That is why the city insisted on a certain number of retirees spread out over a 4 year time span.
Should have gotten the new contract signed prior to 2014, because the EERP is now over, and there is no more federal monies coming in. The 55 and out deal is over. And we did receive a letter stating this back then.
Let's get a real perspective on TIFs and what they are supposed to pay for.
This idea that somehow TIF money is going to be pension fund salvation is a Kool-Aid of another flavor. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid!
I ran across this article and it was a pretty objective perspective. I doubt if 99% of you came across it -
http://blogs.reuters.com/muniland/2014/04/09/the-myth-of-chicagos-shadow-budget/
Another I read was the CTU's Pension Board member's perspective
http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/news/2013/08/06/22524/set-record-straight-teachers-pension-fund-problems
What NO one seems to point out is that the same legislators who gave Chicago a "pension contribution holiday"(where they did not have to contribute any money into the fund) are the same ones ALL the unions voted for.
You gave them your vote because they promised all the unions big support, but then they voted for Chicago to just "overlook" pension contributions for a couple of years.
Pension solvency diminished - so it's NOT about the TIF money, it's about bad decisions in Springfield. It would be like telling someone - don't pay your mortgage on your house for three years. You know what the outcome of that would be.
You would think that after that total mistake, voting would have ousted ALL these people but instead, voting re-elected all of them. Why???
When will you wake up?
AND BTW - This statement by the CTPF member is crackpipe logic:
"Yet excessive benefits did not bring us to this point – a lack of revenue did."
When you have teachers gaming the system in the last 2-3 years to raise their pensions from $60K to $80K or MORE by taking courses or a degree to move into a higher pay lane, don't say "excessive benefits did not bring us to this point".
Same goes for this "gold braid" BS in the CPD.
How many make six-figure pensions? That isn't a pension, that's a lottery jackpot pay out.
Maybe a cap in pensions is the way to go. $80,000 max. That would cut out all the last-minute greed and political maneuvering of trying to add points at the last minute to jack up pensions.
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Anonymous said...
Anyone else think the 55 option will be gone soon?
7/23/2014 12:21:00 AM
This benefit was paid for by the Federal govn't under Obamacare until 2014. This benefit was never something the Unions 'negotiated', the City offered it because they got higher paid employees off the payroll and because it wasn't costing the city a dime. Now with Federal funds gone (for now), the city is trying to recoup some of the costs for healthcare while getting higher paid employees off the role. It's amazing how many people have no idea this program was paid for by Obamacare until 2014
7/23/2014 10:16:00 AM)
Wrong! ObamaCare wasn't even passed when the union negotiated this. If you are 55 and retired and have this, you will keep it. I don't know about if your retirement date is next year, unless they don't ratify a contract by your date, then you will have it.
And when I came on in the mid 80's, the union got into the contract that beat cars were to be 10-4 units from the hours of dusk to dawn. Then there was a "release" that the W/C would let you sign if you wanted to work 10-99 on 3rd & 1st Watches. Then, sometime in the late 80's-early 90's we lost that in the contract. Wasn't much said about it, nobody beefed about it, and it just went away, without any fanfare.
This (2 man cars) came about after a 10-99 Traffic Car was killed on a stop on 1st watch around LSD - 43rd St. Police wives protested at HQ to get those cars 10-4 units on afternoons and mids. A shame that the union and coppers let this just "evaporate."
is the health insurance still caped at 1.5 million. with the cost of care going up it isn't hard to go over that amount if your sick.
I am not eligible for medicare as I city never paid into it.So that mean I get the city free health insurance after 65 as I am not on medicare.
As a non cop, non union worker in the private sector, this doesnt seem bad. Please explain how an 11% raise and now having to kick in 2% for healthcare sucks. I MAYBE get a 1% raise each year, i pay nearly 20% of each of my checks to health insurance, and There is no way my shitty 401k will take care of me like a pension would (if Rahm pays you guys your funds)
I realize my sales job is nothing like a cop or FF, risking life and limb for people, and some savages. But I also think the system cant support funding everyone through retirement and for healthcare. Maybe its politicians stealing, broken promises that got somebody elected, etc. I just wanted some clarity. Im not trying to be disrespectful to first responders.
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Keep in mind the shitty hours we work. The midnight shift in and of itself is hazardous to your health just ask any doctor on the planet. Remember the shitty days off that we get. We don't get a weekend off but every 5 and 6 weeks and even that can be cancelled at the drop of a hat. Working holidays while normal people are spending time with their families and friends. Yes, I agreed to this when I took the job but the trade off was having decent benefits with a decent pension. We give up a lot in terms of having a normal life and I expect to be treated with respect and dignity when I retire.
This^^^^^^
"Keep in mind the shitty hours we work. The midnight shift in and of itself is hazardous to your health just ask any doctor on the planet. Remember the shitty days off that we get. We don't get a weekend off but every 5 and 6 weeks and even that can be cancelled at the drop of a hat. Working holidays while normal people are spending time with their families and friends. Yes, I agreed to this when I took the job but the trade off was having decent benefits with a decent pension. We give up a lot in terms of having a normal life and I expect to be treated with respect and dignity when I retire."
Lol. My brother works for a large class 1 railroad here in the city; you wanna talk about shitty hours and shitty days off... hahahahahahah. Hold on, let me catch my breath. I think they get Christmas off. That's ONE day a year that is guaranteed off. It will take him many years to get multiple weeks of vacation on the books. You think my brother complains? Hell no. -at least not on a public forum;)
My buddy from the Corps who is recently out of the academy is planning a trip for his month long furlough! A month vacation after about a year on the job? WTF?
Police and Fire are the kings of the middle class; when you have 15,000+ people waiting in line at McCormick Place for a chance at becoming a PO, that tells you just how sought after the job is. There are people out there who would do ANYTHING for a career that within a couple years you'll be making $60k -$70k+.
I realize there's always a chance of catching a bullet, but for that money and all the glorious benefits, that's a crapshoot I would gladly take.
I have nothing but respect for the police (I know many), but sometimes I think you guys are out of touch with reality when it comes to the rigors of your career. Yea, you put up with some ghetto pieces of shit who hate you day in and day out, but there are SO many perks that I'm not even going to bother listing them.
Again, not hating. I share a pint(s) with members of the CPD numerous times a month (both old timers and "hair gels"). I just don't think you guys realize how fortunate you are.
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Wake up people! CFD has a me-to clause. This is what we are going to get too. Not sure why it's taking so long. It's our contract too without the one year of retro
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CFD has a me-to (sic) clause, therefore we are getting the same thing? You are not too bright!
How come no mention of this being added to the CPD December 2013 test? Why not preference points for those residing in Chicago then? Why only CPS graduates? Complete BS!
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Because CPS students are SMARTER like their parents because they DID NOT waste their money on Catholic Schools.
It must be a good deal. All the firemen at the firehouse near my pretty loft were singing and dancing with each other last night.
On second thought, they pretty much do that every night.
I recall a video on that a while back
11% over 5 years is 2.2% raise a year
Inflation = 2.1% a year
Income taxes = 20-25% a year
Net raise .8%/year if taxes and inflation do not increase for 5 years
Go look at the govt website for ERRP and read up on it. The govt shut the ERRP office down in March 2014. Which means the program is over. No more federal monies for companies to offer an early retirement program.
Whoever retired under this program in CPD - you are fine. It just seems logical that retiring at age 55 with free healthcare is not going to be offered to CPD in the future.
If the union claims they negotiated this great offer for us back then, they are either lying or got spun.
And yes, Obama initiated the ERRP in 2010, because he already knew the affordable care act was going to be approved.
"My brother works for a large class 1 railroad here in the city; you wanna talk about shitty hours and shitty days off... hahahahahahah. Hold on, let me catch my breath. I think they get Christmas off. That's ONE day a year that is guaranteed off"
That's a crock of bullshit.
Again, not hating. I share a pint(s) with members of the CPD numerous times a month (both old timers and "hair gels"). I just don't think you guys realize how fortunate you are.
.02
7/24/2014 10:26:00 AM
Hey, ".02"How about next time you are sharing a drink with some of those cop friends of yours you tell them of your dumbass post...just see if they're drinking with you much after that.
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