CPS Grads Get Five Points
- Union firefighters are threatening to sue over a city initiative that gives graduates of Chicago Public Schools preferential treatment in city hiring, just as Mayor Rahm Emanuel trumpets a new round of recruitment for the Fire Department.
Emanuel's office made a point Wednesday of drawing attention to an online application for the Fire Department open through Sept. 16. It costs $30 to apply, with a written exam set for December for qualified applicants.
The job description makes clear that those who already have completed fire or police training receive preferential treatment for firefighter and police positions, as do relatives of those who died in the line of duty as police officers, firefighters or military personnel. It also states a hiring preference for veterans and CPS high school graduates.
For the most part, say about 100% of the time, a child has no input into where his/her parents send them to school. Some go to private schools for religious reasons, some parents think that private schools do a better job educating kids, some think (with quite a bit of evidence) that Chicago Public Schools suck.
So why penalize perfectly qualified applicants for the decisions of the parents? There is no special talent that CPS students have for climbing ladders, cutting holes in buildings or putting out fires. All of that is taught at the Fire Academy. A simple Civil Service exam gets you a qualified applicant, then you teach him how to become a firefighter. It's really quite simple everywhere except here.
So why penalize perfectly qualified applicants for the decisions of the parents? There is no special talent that CPS students have for climbing ladders, cutting holes in buildings or putting out fires. All of that is taught at the Fire Academy. A simple Civil Service exam gets you a qualified applicant, then you teach him how to become a firefighter. It's really quite simple everywhere except here.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Worse still, the Chicago Public Schools are notorious for "social promotion" policies and dumbing down classes in order to pass students who have not learned anything. There are a select few good schools within the CPS (usually those with selective enrollment), but giving a blanket bonus to all CPS graduates makes no sense at all.
How many points do the people get that followed Rahms advice to take a welding class at a city college because there where shortages and now they still can't find work
The city started doing this for all job applicants 2 or 3 years ago. They also give preference for military service.
Could it be an olive branch to the teachers union that represents CPS schools and to CPS. A Vet I can see, as well as someone with prior training; however, a preference based upon whether your HS was in CPS or not. Weird.
Hey I went to a cps school many years ago so can I get those 5 points added to my sgts score?!
Ask Rahm if a CPS graduate should get 5 more votes for mayor than him because he was not educated at a CPS school.
In New York (I know, I know) you can't even get hired on FDNY unless you went to a NYC high school. Besides...do we really need more St. pats or Mt. Carmel alumni on either job? We have enough entitled juice babies.
Rahms own kids would not qualify for this.
It's sad that the CFD is making a huge deal about this because the preference is absolutely ridiculous, yet the FOP sat on their hands and didn't say boo about this when it was announced for CPD before their test. Just goes to show how useless the FOP and McCarthy really are.
CPD is doing this right now.
Shouldn't this be the case for every job? Any time you give preferential treatment for employment, you're discriminating. Every time I apply for a job and disclose that I'm a white male, non veteran, not disabled guy; I'm sure I'm dumped to the bottom of the list. Same for relatives of responders that died or CPS graduates. If they actually wanted the best qualified candidates, they shouldn't give ANYONE an inside track that's not based on their abilities...and content of their character. I have a dream...
I don't understand the reasoning behind it, nor do I agree with it, but this seems like it's the city's decision to make...if it can favor relatives of the fallen or military, it can pretty much favor whoever it wants. I think a lawsuit wouldn't stand a chance.
CPS is a joke. Just show up and you graduate with honors.
They should NOT get preferential treatment in hiring. Someone needs to sue Rahm and the city over this.
" There is no special talent that CPS students have for climbing ladders, cutting holes in buildings or putting out fires."
I beg to differ. CPS students definitely have the first two skills listed...at least when it relates to conducting a burglary. And they may lack skills in putting out fires, but they excel at starting them. I say make it 10 points!
How else can the City hire the mediocre and unqualified without LOWERING THE STANDARDS?
"The Best and the Brightest" have no desire to join a corruptly managed organization--the CPD.
Morale is dead. So sad.
I think Bruce Rauner could send his kid to any school, anywhere. But he bought a condo where a parking space costs more than four years at an Ivy. Just to establish residency so his kid could go to a Chicago Public School.
Wait WTF CPS Students
How many CPS students aren't even citizens? The again your don't have to be a US Citizen to be a Cop or Firefighter in Chicago
What about Veterans Preference points for promotional tests?
ALD Jimbo Balcer Step up and support Veterans and your fellow Marines or are you just Hot Air of the Daleys?
So the city is discriminating against people who went to religious schools for religious reasons.
Rhams kids and most of the Democrates in shitago don't even go to public schools.
How else can the City hire the mediocre and unqualified without LOWERING THE STANDARDS?
"The Best and the Brightest" have no desire to join a corruptly managed organization--the CPD.
Morale is dead. So sad.
AMEN just 3 yrs to the Pension Prize Been hording all the free food I get while working too
But when you are to damn stupid to pass a test. This is needed!
CPS will graduate anyone who sticks around long enough.
Raums own kids wouldn't want a CFD job.
His family doesn't do public service......they do politics.
I graduated from a CPS High School and I can't pass a kidney stone.
The biggest problem for CPS is only 26% of their graduates are ready for college. So, the city is trying anyway they can to get these kids jobs. But, what the city fails to realize is these kids can't get to college to get the required 60 hours of college credit to qualify for the CFD.
The CPS Graduation rate is at 65% up 2% from last year. 35% of CPS students graduate...WTF???
But, let's get this straight....CPS is graduating 65% of the students, but, only 10% are ready for college. What's the purpose of going to high school? isn't it to prepare you for life after high school and isn't college one of the next steps?
And, the Simeon HS community is up in arms over the closure of their Electric Shop, the last one throughout CPS. But, what people fail to understand is overall, CPS' shops only get 3%-5% of the kids concentrating in a technical class into their fields.
Sooooo. 10% of CPS grads are ready for college and another 35-5% non-college-type kids go into their shop class field. Sooooo, what happens to 50% of CPS grads and the 35% of CPS who don't graduate...We're looking at 85% of CPS students who walk out into the world prepared for nothing....
The next time CPS teachers strike or ask for a raise, they should really look at themselves in the mirror and call themselves a failure.
The graph on the link here shows the percentage for oft-mentioned Prosser Career Academy HS (24% are college ready) on the blog and the State (65%) in 2013
http://illinoisreportcard.com/School.aspx?source=Trends&source2=ReadyforCollegeCourseWork&Schoolid=150162990250534
Bullshit about not getting hired in New York. ..
So, can a private company in the City of Chicago give extra points to individuals who went to private schools??
Maybe a good lawyer can challenge it based on religious discrimination. I sent my kids to 8 years of public grade school and CCD on Sundays. There is no CCD for high school aged kids so I sent them to a catholic HS. Now they are being discriminated against because I chose to raise them catholic?
Divide the masses and the democrats get what they want. What is the bigger picture here? This is another small example of re-enginering society.
Elimate the private schools in Chicago?? Eliminate prayer in the classroom. Give extra points if you voted for Obama? Get extra points if your Gay? Get extra points if your ?????????
All these "preferences" are absurd. And that comes from a vet who went to public schools!
Sounds good. A graduate of a CPS school has better knowledge of the city.
The only folks that are allowed to complain are current Chicago residents. If you live in the suburbs STFU and stay in the suburbs.
let me get this straight I send my kids to private school thus saving the city the cost of educating them while simultaneously paying property taxes that go to the education of Chicago public school kids. so I'm paying money- not using it, and then I and my kids get penalized is that correct? no wonder everybody wants to get the hell out of this city. every thing in this city and state is a scam
Anonymous said...
Worse still, the Chicago Public Schools are notorious for "social promotion" policies and dumbing down classes in order to pass students who have not learned anything. There are a select few good schools within the CPS (usually those with selective enrollment), but giving a blanket bonus to all CPS graduates makes no sense at all.
7/25/2014 12:14:00 AM
The same with catholic schools too. If your check clears you're good. Moreover, when the faculty realizes that little Johnny is a "slow learner" the parents are advised to send little Johnny to CPS because CPS has the resources to help little Johnny.
More lawsuits coming. The dumbing down of the CPD continues.
How do all these preference points work when you're supposed to be given a "random" number? Not really random now is it?
Since Chicago Public Schools are majority minority I would be willing to bet it is a subtle attempt at increasing minority hiring without using quotas or race norming outright. If the courts really believe in " adverse impact" then this policy would have an adverse impact on white applicants.
Well the Sgt exam could have gone better, not terrible but no realistic hope of promotion.
So instead of the $20k pay increase I will throw my hat in the crooked as shit CFD lottery and see if I can accidentally get picked.
The pay hit for a few years would suck, but no more stupid stats, boxes, missions, event numbers, political pressure, "needs/requirements", or any other bullshit related to police work. A great profession ruined by so many powers that be.
Just show up to work, do your job and go home.
BS... all of you complaining.. What about legacy hires in CPD and CFD? I know many guys/gals that you use their position to get junior/missy who went to St. Pats,Loyola, etc., then went to Wright, Triton, etc.. on the job because they are not college bound nor would they be able to get the job without some help.
SCC: What schools are ranked in the state and nation? CPS schools, so there is evidence that CPS students are successful in academics.
Anonymous said...
I think Bruce Rauner could send his kid to any school, anywhere. But he bought a condo where a parking space costs more than four years at an Ivy. Just to establish residency so his kid could go to a Chicago Public School.
7/25/2014 06:33:00 AM
Wow. What useless information. You must work for the newspapers.
Dumbing down CPD.
Lowering standards?
Invoking the nuclear option hidden deep in the "Home Rule" provision?
CPD will likely be "divorced" from state law and training standards?
"WAIT! The law says..."
>Pfffft!<
Every book in the city hall law library is fused solid from Rahm & Co. taking a deliberate shit in them and jamming them back onto the shelves.
A dumbed down Police Department with no muscle memory is easier to control.
Why do you think the powers that be strip mined institutional muscle memory by having j-fled chase away knowledgeable, street-wise, street hardened exempts along with the slugs?
CPD currently afflicted with the likes of McDamnFedsAreChasingMe and his New Yuck henchmen. Stevie "Culottes" Georgas, Babs "I Got My Fluffy Pillow" West, Al "Desperately Hoping To Have a Chair When This Fucked-Up Band Stops Playing" Wysinger and a stalwart coterie of a few dozen armed (fucking scary)and thoroughly mistcast nitwits, goofs, incompetents, whores, rakes, cretins, serial sex harassers/subordinate fuckers, intemperate loud-mouth louts, power-mad drunks, suspected bag men, street gang moles and assorted other low-lifery who squatted, kneeled, bent over, laid down and other such for that gold star.
Then they have the fucking nerve to put on like they're holy and on the legit.
You decayed ass m/fers ought to be on your bald and naked knees in what ever hut, forest preserve shit shack, clearing in the woods or voodoo kitchen you go to commune with whatever ill spirit you holler to that there is NO TEST for District Commander and up.
The majority of competence, good judgement and law enforcement insight is buried in the Patrol Division and you nitwits are trying to destroy THAT!
CPS grads get bonus points?
Why?
You upright citizens had better keep an eye on this shit!
The famous Cocked-Hat Security & Public Safety Customer Service Aides might come pulling up tou your front door sooner than you think.
As soon as Rahm and his people war-game on how to get rid of CPD and bust The Police out of their pensions without a full blown shooting war/rebellion being taken up by the people they're desperately trying to extract the most money from.
What it do y'all?
The shit show you see is the city they want.
It's funny as CPS kids get special treatment by CFD and 30%-35% of their CPS teachers and administrators don't live in the city of Chicago. It seems a little back asswards.
Maybe should have to have gone to CPS and grew up in the city to be mayor. Bust saying.
I went to cps and city college so I should get 10 points.
Firemen are known for destroying property and some say for having sticky fingers when they are in those homes after the fire is out. If this is the case, then CPS graduates will be a good fit.
" Anonymous said...
Rahms own kids would not qualify for this.
7/25/2014 02:33:00 AM"
Rahm's kids are royalty. Police and fire work is for the great unwashed.
Anonymous said...
The city started doing this for all job applicants 2 or 3 years ago. They also give preference for military service.
7/25/2014 12:39:00 AM
Military service deserves the preference.
-- Just a Citizen
7/25/2014 01:11:00 AM
Excellent comment!
Are 5 points really going to change anything? Its a pass fail test and then a lottery.
The last written test was so wast an 8th grader could have passed it.
"I think Bruce Rauner could send his kid to any school, anywhere. But he bought a condo where a parking space costs more than four years at an Ivy. Just to establish residency so his kid could go to a Chicago Public School.
7/25/2014 06:33:00 AM"
Do Not speak ill of the Oligarch soon to be Savior of the Land of Lincoln.
How else can the City hire the mediocre and unqualified without LOWERING THE STANDARDS?
"The Best and the Brightest" have no desire to join a corruptly managed organization--the CPD.
Morale is dead. So sad.
TRUTH
Anonymous said...
It's sad that the CFD is making a huge deal about this because the preference is absolutely ridiculous, yet the FOP sat on their hands and didn't say boo about this when it was announced for CPD before their test. Just goes to show how useless the FOP and McCarthy really are.
7/25/2014 03:30:00 AM
I haven't heard anything from FOP since the election. No interviews with the FOP President, no public statements, no quotes in the paper, no nothing.
Why do you think that is? Maybe Dad is walking the son around telling him, "All this will be yours someday."
Where the hell was the police and traffic control for the
Soldier Field concert last night? Traffic in the south loop was a nightmare and there were hardly any police and no traffic control that you would normally see.
Why should an applicant be penalized for attending private school when the parents had to pay extra to get their child educated in a better environment at the same time the parents also have to pay taxes for cps. If anything they should get the extra points for not using cps and draining the taxpayers money with their free lunches and whatever else it is they get free (Obama phones,link cards, section 8 housing). I would be willing to bet a great majority of cps students "parent(s)" do not own property and rent to wit; they do not pay into cps education which is somewhere in the ballpark of $2,200 on a property owners tax bill!
The democrats are making it really hard to be a white Christian male/female. I'm going to start asking for reparations!
rudy guiliani for mayor
Once again as the racist alderman brooks said "we got to level the playing field for the blacks and browns!"
Besides...do we really need more St. pats or Mt. Carmel alumni on either job? We have enough entitled juice babies.
ditto that.
on another note, what the hell is going on with our contract? where are you dean? how about some news, or are you in bed the city?
the cpd=kept in the dark by our "new" fop leadership...
Obama ruining the country rham ruining the city Quinn ruining the state prickwrinkle the county ..........great to be an American when will we stop this bullshit? the average guy can't declare war on these scumbags unless it's in the polls we cannot take 2.5 more yrs' of these shitbags it's got to end.
Holy Shit, When will it end. Thats the ass kissing!
Chicago's DNA on display. Just another example of how Chicago "works." There is no such thing as a level playing field anywhere, anytime. A "fix" of some sort is always in, even for what should be the simplest thing.
there are so many special treatments being made already. veterans, family members, those with clout, certain ethnic backgrounds, those that score higher on civil service tests, etc.
what difference does it make if you add another group of people treated differently with no special skill set that is directly related to the job.
the reality is that for most fire fighter jobs you might well be able to train people that are functionally illiterate to do the job if you had to. maybe not ideal, but probably doable.
Off Topic
Can we talk about this Mike Lappe at the pension board. He has been voting against officers going for disability 90 percent of the time and even when the other elected officers are voting for officers. I understand he is looking out for our fund but he seems to not have a good perspective on Officers injuries and thinks everyone should work just because he got shot and came back to work. When is the next election for Pension board?
The average CPS 8th grade Student reads at a 4th grade level.
When I came on in the early 70's those of us that were veterans were allowed 5 extra points for promotional exams.You could only use them one time,old man Daly took that away from us before I got to use them.Stay safe out there and back each other up.
Old retired guy.
CPS Grads cant even count to five....
I are a Chicago Publick skool gradjit. How I git my 5 pints?
In New York (I know, I know) you can't even get hired on FDNY unless you went to a NYC high school. Besides...do we really need more St. pats or Mt. Carmel alumni on either job? We have enough entitled juice babies.
Hey go fuck yourself bashing Carmel or St. Pat's. What makes you think anyone from either place is a "juice baby".
Ignorant asshole probably went to Leo or CVS because that's the only school they could spell.
Bruce, a very close pal of our own mayor Raccoon Eyes, didn't make all that money wasting it on a fancy private high school for his kid. Why spend your own money on an education when you can get your kid into a premier public school with your connections. Does anyone think Raccoon Eyes spends a penny sending his kids to the Unv. Of Chicago Lab School? Nope. All free. Free transportation and armed police body guards to and from. The connected.
What a joke!
The US is on it's way to becoming Banana Republic #1 with Chicago at the head of list.
You should have points deducted if you are in your 20's and still wear a St. RITA shirt.
To the asshole ripping on St Pats. You wish you went there
Shouldn't this be the case for every job? Any time you give preferential treatment for employment, you're discriminating. Every time I apply for a job and disclose that I'm a white male, non veteran, not disabled guy; I'm sure I'm dumped to the bottom of the list. Same for relatives of responders that died or CPS graduates. If they actually wanted the best qualified candidates, they shouldn't give ANYONE an inside track that's not based on their abilities...and content of their character. I have a dream...
7/25/2014 04:16:00 AM
Actually, you shouldn't feel worried about your apps being pushed to the bottom. Studies from a few years back show that based on what you've stated, you're still more likely to get a job over a equally qualified candidate. Now, those studies mentioned nothing about people protesting that the other guy/gal should have the job over you because they're Asian, black, Latino, handicapped, vets , etc. then I have no "good news" for you there. you're on your own with that one, bud.
It's also another slap in the face to Christianity. You went to a Catholic School please proceed to the rear. The socialist/communists love this crap. With the politicians we have, who are anti-God, I believe anything now. This is totally discriminatory. Good for CFD for fighting it. Why didn't CPD open their mouths?
Retired
CPS students are lucky if they can count to five. So adding points to their scores may deter future lawsuits against the city for culturally biased tests.
Rahms own kids would not qualify for this.
7/25/2014 02:33:00 AM
If Rahm's kids applied, he would disown them.
How long before they start adding 5 more points for sgt. if the went to a cps school?
WRT: establishing residency
When you think about it the unaccompanied illegal immigrants are using the same M.O. Just throw a bag of dirty laundry in the basement of a Chicago home and tell the border patrol that's where your parents live.
BINGO, you win a free travel voucher to get here.
Local 2 is full of sh!t. Right now the CFFU Local 2 has in their contract with the city a contract provision called Appendix G. It allows the department to use race to promote lower scoring minorities over higher scoring whites for promotions. This was inserted in the 1980 contract language to address PAST discrimination. The problem is now the only people being discriminated against are white. Yet it's still in the contract because Local 2 doesn't address it in negotiations.
Now they want to stop discriminations for people not even hired yet when they can eliminate discrimination in negotiations?
There full of sh!t
It's okay if they return to pre-affirmative action standards but keeping both speaks volumes about a CPS education, just not the way they think
Like the writer says, kids don't get to choose there schooling. Makes me wonder what the CFD will look like and the attitude they will have in the next 5-10 years. I don't see much good coming out of this. All of these types of jobs should be given to those that have the best "qualifications" not who they know, what they did or what school they went to. If it comes down to the point of two exactly the same qualified people, then maybe this should be the deal breaker.
It's not that I have no compassion for immigrants or children or that I'm racist.
I loath the scam being played on ALL of us, immigrants and citizens alike -- attempts to conjure up certain images in the public's mind to run personal agendas for personal gains.
America has given-in to the hostage demands of places like Honduras.
Of course that country will send their problems north unless the USA gives them more aid. Google how much we've sent their way already. It's working. Why stop it if you're running that country?
Meanwhile who help create their crisis in the first place with failed drug war policies and gun running by the DOJ.
We're not suppose to talk about that tho. Look at the poor children instead. Who created the crisis and continues to let it grow?
Don't let the crisis go to waste as you can get away with doing things that would normally be impossible.
Like ripping up the constitution, stealing pensions, social security, collecting guns and taking away rights for personal protection.
You can create free speech zones to shut people up if you do not like their speech.
The illegal immigrants are coming in the front door and the US corporations are exiting out the back door leaving the middle class to deal with it all.
The list of Illinois corporations cutting and running is long and it is growing. They are no small names either.
Abbott Labs, Abbvie, Walgreens tax inversions cutting off millions if not billions of dollars in tax revenue.
Motorola Mobility sold to China. They'll be leaving shortly.
That Superior Trust construction outfit moving to Gary Ind. That arrogant food supplier disgracing the State of Illinois and all the people in it with his greed, creating wide spread food panic across Asia and Europe.
What a fine reputation of corruption they have created for us eh?
But it's no doubt they have political clout!
USA -- USA -- USA woot-woot-woot.
The age limit should be removed too.
5 points to Griffindor!
FOP is about saving money, not fighting cases in court. Just look at this new program of releasing CR information and the FOP turned their heads.
5 pts? Come on it isn't going to matter to a CPS graduate. You could give most of them 30pts and they still wouldn't make it
Blame CPS but please don't blame teachers or the individual schools. They don't have the policy power to set the lowering standards, promoting 14-15 year old 6th, 7th, and 8th graders who never graduated into high school, making sure every student possible can be labeled special ed, etc. Again, it's like blaming police for crimes that other people do.
This mayor is a moron. Hope the fire union wins the his one.
I seem to recall military service got you some points taking the police entrance exam. Promotional exams also. I can see giving points for serving the country in the military. Just going to a CPS school is unfair. But our politicians pander for votes all of the time in the Ghetto.
Sol Rosenburg said...
Shouldn't this be the case for every job? Any time you give preferential treatment for employment, you're discriminating. Every time I apply for a job and disclose that I'm a white male, non veteran, not disabled guy; I'm sure I'm dumped to the bottom of the list. Same for relatives of responders that died or CPS graduates. If they actually wanted the best qualified candidates, they shouldn't give ANYONE an inside track that's not based on their abilities...and content of their character. I have a dream...
7/25/2014 04:16:00
Listen to yourself. If you get preferential treatment for having an internship versus not having one at all it's discrimination. Yeah, it's discriminately choosing the candidate who has a demonstrated amount of interest in the field and did BEFORE applying, plus their internship experience. The military does not train you to be a cop but it does offer experiences that could be helpful for future cops. I came on with an education. Does that make me a better cop? I would say it don't even make you an average one BUT did you ever consider that I will likely NEVER ask for tuition reimbursement because I'm done with school. I don't have problems with my bosses, not because they're all swell, but because none of them are as intimidating as seeing those brown hats come into the barracks at 405 in the morning. Discrimination as you call it is not bad in itself. The cause for the discrimination is the issue. I'm a CPS graduate. I went to a really good school on the south side. This is still the most ridiculous reason for receiving preference points I have heard of. I'm not so sure about the points for family members etc. but they make more sense than being a CPS grad.
Preference to illegal kids, preference to cps kids, preference to minorities, preference to ex-cons, preference to the politically connected, preference to disabled, preference to the military, blah , blah, blah.
The regular non-connected, law-abiding, white kid who went to a private school is fucked..... And by the way, it's the family members of this kid that pays the taxes and freebies to most of the above mentioned.
Rhams kid is fifteen and working renting kayaks on the river. Gee they told my kid he had to wait until next year when he was eighteen because of liability.
What BULLSHIT! No one, not even relatives of fallen members, should receive special treatment.
why not. everything else in ghetto public education is on a curve.
I went to Whitney Young. I guess that means I'm less qualified than the brain trust of De LaSalle or St. Rita. Gimme a break. Just because your too stupid to get into a decent public high school, and had to PAY someone to accept you, means all CPS students aren't qualified is wrong. You are the same people who are 2000 plus on the Sgts. test for lack of studying, and cry clout baby when someone you think is less than you makes it.
Everyone is understanding this preference wrong. This means CPS students must make up 20% of each referral list, not that they have to hire 20% CPS grads. This means CPS students are called faster for processing along with vets.
This is not a big deal for CPD because it goes through its list in about 3-4 years. Meanwhile CFD has about 40,000 applicants(because it only requires a GED so anyone thinks they can do it) and they don't even reach the end of their list in 10 years.
I would be pretty upset if I went to catholic school and lived here my whole life knowing my chance of even being called has gone down. They should just hold the test for people with Chicago addresses and veterans, no preference for anyone and make you take a national standardized exam like the ACT(so no one screams racism and bloody murder)and rank you by score.
There is no preference for people that have completed a fire or police academy. The preference is for people who have gone through the Chicago Police and Fire Training Academy (an after school program for CPS students btw)
How else can the City hire the mediocre and unqualified without LOWERING THE STANDARDS?
"The Best and the Brightest" have no desire to join a corruptly managed organization--the CPD.
Morale is dead. So sad.
CFD already has low standard GED and not be a Felon. The test has been dumbed down to thanks to people suing in 1995 and the physical part has been eased up to thanks to another lawsuit for the 2006 test. We are getting simpletons and weaklings to put out our fire now. smh
It's a good thing my son was smart enough to get into Lane Tech.
Alderman Colon locked up for DUI. No statement that the police were herazzin him or pulled him over cause Hez brown?
My son graduated a CPS high school on the N/W side.
He is dumber then a door nail and still does not know his ABC.'.
He hardly showed up for classes and when he did he slept and ate free lunches. His GPA was a 1.00.
Here is the kicker, he is going to a city college in fall. Go figure this all out.
I saved 20 grand with him in the CPS system.
He got a passing score on the police test and will be hired when he makes it to 21 yoa.
He will get his college credits by then and will probadly be a boss one day.
Not a bad kid, just stupid and lazy, just like his mother and her family.
I'm retired CPD nut you guy's Police/Fire/All city workers unions should bring this to the courts I worked hard to send my kids to private schools because they are better than CPS and there is one huge difference.....Discipline it means so much in life and CPS does not have it .I worked in the CCC even at that age they lack discipline you do not want your kids mixed up with these people that's just the fact's they are tearing this country down with the help of people like Rham and his buddy Obama take it to court don't back down good luck.
Those of you who scored well on sgt exam better call hr and verify your transcripts are on file. A few friends told me the called and hr had nothing on file, not even the stuff they submitted to get hired.
giving these folks (or peoples) points is fine if they make it a real test. They'll fail anyway.
Where's DeaNo and FLOP
in bed with RhamBo
Enjoy your dues paying for the Boards's Good Life
Anonymous said...
It's sad that the CFD is making a huge deal about this because the preference is absolutely ridiculous, yet the FOP sat on their hands and didn't say boo about this when it was announced for CPD before their test. Just goes to show how useless the FOP and McCarthy really are.
7/25/2014 03:30:00 AM
My first thought as well. I couldn't agree more!
Q: How many points for St. Pat's?
A: As of 2014, minus 30.
This really comes as no surprise for a department that promotes the clueless and connected.
I don't understand the reasoning behind it, nor do I agree with it, but this seems like it's the city's decision to make...if it can favor relatives of the fallen or military, it can pretty much favor whoever it wants. I think a lawsuit wouldn't stand a chance.
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Let me explain something to you. The city is trying this to keep kids in school. The kids that will drop out will drop out anyways. All this does is set the city up for 2 lawsuits. I don't have exact figures, but cps is at least (citywide) 70% minority, so it discriminates against whites. In the same breath, how can you give preference points to veterans who served their country in any capacity that show proves that they are in shape and know how to follow orders, the same privilege as cps graduates. Doesn't anyone who graduated high school have the same ability (example: showing up, completing tasks, not being a behavior issue...) that is the problem with this city and nation. We give incentives for people to do WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND ARE EXPECTED TO DO!
On to the lawsuit and how to make it stick; Two words: religious discrimination! I went to a catholic high school in Chicago. Because I choose a school that supports "My religious beliefs" I am now being discriminated against by being put at a disadvantage from the start of this process by being essentially penalized 5 points. If I score the same a Lane Tech grad or an Austin grad, why should they get 5 more points than me. The CFD is too competitive for me to accept taking that chance. I scored an 91% on the CFD written test in 2005. Due to the everyone who passed lottery system I get hosed. Now this. Sue them. Like SCC said, the city needs to screen candidates, accept them and should pay for their training that will benefit the city in which they serve. Im not a big fan of the CPAT idea either because that company is making millions, but I get it. However, if you require an "impoverished" cps grad to pay 150 to prove that they can physically do the job, that's racist. The city would go broke having to screen incomes and give waivers to at least 15k applicants.
Most fair way in my mind, written test pass/fail. Pull half the group from score, half random. Call 200-300 in at a time. You piss hot, your gone. Next!
olive branch to the teachers union that represents CPS schools and to CPS
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How do you figure? If a Cps teacher takes the fire test, unless they graduated from a cps school it doesn't apply. The CTU has nothing to gain or nothing to do with this. Union advocates for teachers, not students who graduated the system goof.
They get extra credit for graduating from a third-class education system.
Good. All you Vote Democrat assholes voted for it, now you got it. I hope the remainder of your careers are miserable .
How can you teach someone to have a work ethic when they have no desire to work in the first place. This is a ploy by the city to turn the C.F.D. into nothing more than a dumping ground.
Wtf ,kid arrested for murder , was on payroll anti violence program , was he on the clock when murder took place , anytime sheets for anti violence workers . Is this a potato head state funded program .his goal was to be the police , how many others like him qualified to be the police with 5 extra cps points . Future of cpd . Again wtf .
Another pre-teen shot dead in 011. A boy this time.
I think that we all know the answer to the question, why?
That guy Ryan from the Fire Union doesn't have the balls to go against the city now. And his own union members know this too. He has been a big disappointment for them.
Who cares........ They killed this job years ago
O T,
Saw a chick on WGN news tonight interviewed about the arrest of orange line robber. She said go out and get the brown guys. Bunch a racists!
In New York (I know, I know) you can't even get hired on FDNY unless you went to a NYC high school. Besides...do we really need more St. pats or Mt. Carmel alumni on either job? We have enough entitled juice babies.
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You wish you went to st. pats...
Rahm is only thinking of the children. It's all about the children and getting the minority vote.
I think it's fair. People who went to CPS have seen shootings, stabbings, rape and drug over dose. They also know how to cheat, take advantage of the system. They deserve it. By the way... Who ever disagrees with this is racist.
Im looking to take the next prom exam. I went to public school here in the second city. Will I get any additional points????
So they give CPS grads the same amount of points as a military veteran?
WHAT THE FUCK! Are you fucking kidding me?
DISGRACEFUL!
So in the liberal mind, socialist indoctrination in a fucked up Chicago public school counts as much as military service during a time of war.
Yeah, that's about right for our politicians. After all, how would they get the next generation of communists into the fold?
Vote! Vote with your feet or vote against the socialist scum, but vote!
This speaks volumes. One can only deduct that C.P.S. puts out an inferior educational product which requires government intervention to level the playing field. With supplemental resources such as the internet, public libraries, volunteer tutors and the like, the means to rise up and close that educational gap with a privately funded education are made accessible to those who identify themselves as underprivileged.
"Rahms own kids would not qualify for this."
Emanuel doesn't see his kids working a lowly, city of Chicago, blue collar job.
The fire department’s job is not limited to carrying hoses, climbing ladders, blowing that air horn excessively and competition in firehouse chili competitions. Life and death decisions confront these first responders daily. Big muscles are a plus, but brains not brawn are a priority when a challenge presents itself to save a life in a complex rescue operation. Rescues require sharp, quick witted individuals who must think outside of the box on the spot not some less than marginal performer who got the bump at every turn in life.
Are public school graduates eligible for free breakfasts, free lunches and a free dinner at the firehouse? Is this another example of social engineering to balance the employment justice scales?
The underlying premise is the Chicago public school graduates cannot perform at an acceptable reading comprehension level, are not prepared to participate in life’s vocational opportunities and most certainly cannot compete in the workplace with those who truly perform at a high school level. So much for a return on investment on those property taxes which support a failed government controlled venture doing business as public education.
Just another way to keep copper's and firemen's kids off both jobs. And to give a boost to whatever the "flavor of the day" is.
Everyone living in Chiraq has hazardous duty training/experience so does that mean we all should be able to just walk into the military, the NSA, the Border Patrol, FBI, CIA, US Marshalls, Secret Service, etc? Hell, I can duck real, real fast, and take a couple of people with me.
What if school vouchers were an alternative to a Washington D.C. dictated public education system? Liberals, a.k.a. the left, are pro-choice when making decisions on destroying innocent human life, but adamantly not pro-choice when poor parents are given the opportunity to exercise their right to choose the best academic institution preparing their underprivileged children for the future.
You have to take an exam to go to prom now?
You want a fire department full of CPS students? You are going to watch a lot of shit burn. Man: witch way I got to turn this thing to get the water out? I hope they fail the process with the extra 5 points.
Then I hope they sue the city for not giving them 10 points and a special CPS grad test.
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Just another way to keep copper's and firemen's kids off both jobs. And to give a boost to whatever the "flavor of the day" is.
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Why would you want your kid to be a cop or a fireman? No more benefits!!
You said CPS is 70% minority, so, CPS discriminates against whites. If you choose to pay to send your child to a private school or home school,how did you determine that equates to discrimination?
Just another way to keep copper's and firemen's kids off both jobs. And to give a boost to whatever the "flavor of the day" is.
Good, that's how all you clout babies started in the first place.
If you're so smart due to your catholic school or private school education,why in the Hell are you on CPD or CFD? LMAO!
This does not make sense. Why cant there just be the "best-qualified"? Forget race and the pathetic public school preferential treatment. That is why this city is in shambles. Always trying to cheat and take the shortcuts.
Can a CPS student even count to Five...?"
Just Say'n.....
By giving extra points to public school graduates the city is admitting that they are inferior to private school grads in the brains department. Why else would they have such a program?
I find it discriminatory to offer a preference for CPS students. I can understand preferences given for training, including military. No other preferences should be ethically given. There are no special training classes for fire or police offered in CPS curriculum so this preference ihas no basis. Discriminating against Catholic school students could provoke a lawsuit. Creating a disadvantaged class of people through policy is not what Govt is supposed to do.
There is no preference for people that have completed a fire or police academy. The preference is for people who have gone through the Chicago Police and Fire Training Academy (an after school program for CPS students btw)
7/25/2014 06:38:00 PM
Wow that's interesting and totally unfair. CPS students do not pay taxes and should not exclusively benefit from tax payer funded programs. Taxes, public taxes fund after school programs for Police and Fire training. We pay taxes and as such are paying to fund a divisive and unfair policy. One would think the Mayor is against Catholics with his being of a different faith. Is this the message he wants to send? This isn't 400 A.D.
Since I went to catholic school I got nothing left but to take the test and then jump on the lawsuit bandwagon....
Not a bad kid, just stupid and lazy, just like his mother and her family.
7/25/2014 07:02:00 PM
Wow! Aren't you a great and loving father. Must be a little tense around Thanksgiving.
My kid went to a public high school, good for him. All you chumps that paid tens of thousands for catholic school, step back!
I think that it's very interesting that the Mayor admits that Public school graduates need 5 points to come close to being equal with other grads.
Another reason to leave when you can rahm has finished the Daley criminal family destruction tour, 29 or less and out!
I went to Whitney Young. I guess that means I'm less qualified than the brain trust of De LaSalle or St. Rita. Gimme a break. Just because your too stupid to get into a decent public high school, and had to PAY someone to accept you, means all CPS students aren't qualified is wrong. You are the same people who are 2000 plus on the Sgts. test for lack of studying, and cry clout baby when someone you think is less than you makes it.
7/25/2014 06:31:00 PM
That's not what the point of contention is dumb fuck. You went to a magnet school but you still doesn't understand that getting points on an exam does not put you on equal ground but gives you an advantage.
Why do you deserve an advantage?
By the way, I went to Catholic school and will be in the first class of the first test I could take. Eat a dick.
Rahm is begging for 1000 illegal kids and will pay for housing for them. Maybe he will give them points for not reading, writing or speaking English, or even going to school.
Saw this at Logan airport while waiting for a flight 20 years ago. There was a station right across from one of the terminals.
Fire engine crew doing a checkout leaves hose attached from an internal hydrant (in the station garage) to the truck. they close the garage door on the hose. Nobody notices. The engine is outside, starts up and is pulling away. As it pulls away, the hose rips upward through the garage door splitting the door in half and pulls the internal hydrant out of the wall. A bewildered crew jumps out of the engine to see a hose attached between their engine and a severed hydrant, a waterfall in their station house and a split aluminum garage door. The crew panics, puts the engine in reverse and rolls over the hose causing it to wind around the rear wheel and axle. The Chief now comes out running around the truck waving his hands and screaming. The water eventually was turned off, and the station garage was flooded. The chief was eventually alone smacking his forehead with his palm looking at his engine with a fire hose wrapped in the axle attached to a broken hydrant.
I just had to tell this story. Sh*t happens. Would of loved to see the paperwork.
The real rub is that not only did we have to pay a lot of money to send our kids to private schools, we were hit again with the large tax bill that goes to the 7 billion (with a B) CPS budget, for those kids too.
Yup, that's not piss in my face, probably just rainwater.
In New York (I know, I know) you can't even get hired on FDNY unless you went to a NYC high school. Besides...do we really need more St. pats or Mt. Carmel alumni on either job? We have enough entitled juice babies.
Hey go fuck yourself bashing Carmel or St. Pat's. What makes you think anyone from either place is a "juice baby".
Ignorant asshole probably went to Leo or CVS because that's the only school they could spell.
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Take it easy Francis...it's ok if mommy and daddy didn't want you to get beat up at CPS. By the way, how fast did daddy get you on the tac team? When people ask you what HS you went to do you end the sentence with "bro"?? (i.e. St. Pats, bro or...Holy Cross, bro) Hahahahaha typical parochial school complex.
You said CPS is 70% minority, so, CPS discriminates against whites. If you choose to pay to send your child to a private school or home school,how did you determine that equates to discrimination?
7/26/2014 09:45:00 AM
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If you read the full post, the discrimination comes in with religion. The city is penalizing people who choose to continue their education in a religious setting. That is discrimination. There is your lawsuit. The 70% minority thing doesn't necessarily discriminate against whites, but it limits the number of whites that receive the preference points. If all 100% of cps grads took the test and no other people took it, a majority of the pool to choose from would be minorities. Follow...?
5 pts? Come on it isn't going to matter to a CPS graduate. You could give most of them 30pts and they still wouldn't make it
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Lane Tech, Whitney Young, Northside prep, von stuben, chicago ag sci, taft, lake view, Senn, prosser,Amundsen,lincoln park, every school with an honors or IB track... you guys think every idiot you lock up are the idiots that will take this test and you assume they are cps. These mutts don't even go to school. There are many smart and great kids that come from almost every school in the city. There are many of you who should not be slamming the cps so hard. Ive seen many of your reports. Blame the system, don't judge the kids.
makes my job easier working with stupid people
Why would you want your kid to be a cop or a fireman? No more benefits!!
7/26/2014 09:40:00 AM
What do you mean no more benefits? I have a steady paycheck, health care, overtime if I want to work it...what have we lost? ohhhh, I understand...you area typical entitled north side prick that thinks everything should be free or discounted because you're the cops. Right? You think that you shouldn't have to work a full day, or that the sgt is an asshole because he told you to do you job...You are a typical ball bag.
OMG suing because of this...
Can you imagine if the CPD, or CPD members could sue for being led by incompetents.
Can someone please explain to me where these points
for CPS grads and military service come into
play during the hiring process?
My son scored at 91 on the written portion if the
last CPD test.
He was then assigned a random number of
2513.
He is neither a CPD grad or a US Military
veteran.
Where does the five extra points come into play ?
Thanks!
Its pass fail. Then random lottery number assignment. How,...powers that be?
How many CPS students aren't even citizens? The again your don't have to be a US Citizen to be a Cop or Firefighter in Chicago
What about Veterans Preference points for promotional tests?
ALD Jimbo Balcer Step up and support Veterans and your fellow Marines or are you just Hot Air of the Daleys?
Semper FI hes a blow hard
Since I went to catholic school I got nothing left but to take the test and then jump on the lawsuit bandwagon....
^ This. SCC. Please. Please, as soon as you catch wind of a class-action against CPD or CFD with this obvious discrimination please post it here. I along with many other Catholic high school grads are aching to get in on this.
I had to go to iraq and get shot at, mortared, almost blown up by ied's to get 5 points.
Here is how you get your child the 5 points as long as they graduate from CPS. All they have to do is the final semester at your local public school, they have rules and can't turn you away. See problem solved play the system like everyone else does
I was told that it isn't 5 pts. What the city has been doing is 20% of all people being processed for the job has to be CPS students. That doesn't mean that they get hired. If they fail a portion of the process they are thru.
Unlike the Veterens clause that says that 10% of each class is to be Veterens.
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