$15 an Hour? For Burger-Flippers?
- Hundreds of workers from McDonald’s, Taco Bell, Wendy’s and other fast-food chains walked off their jobs Thursday, including at the McDonald’s at 87th and State in Chicago, according to labor organizers of the latest national protest to push the companies to pay their employees at least $15 an hour.
This time, organizers said they plan to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience, which may lead to arrests and draw more attention to the cause. They also said home-care workers will join the protests, which are expected to take place at fast-food restaurants in 150 cities nationwide, including Detroit, Chicago and New York.
Home health care workers, we can understand. That isn't a job that can be easily replaced. But fast food workers? We think we covered this before:
- A company called Momentum Machines has built a robot that could radically change the fast-food industry and have some line cooks looking for new jobs.
The company's robot can "slice toppings like tomatoes and pickles immediately before it places the slice onto your burger, giving you the freshest burger possible." The robot is "more consistent, more sanitary, and can produce ~360 hamburgers per hour." That's one burger every 10 seconds.
The next generation of the device will offer "custom meat grinds for every single customer. Want a patty with 1/3 pork and 2/3 bison ground to order? No problem."
Momentum Machines cofounder Alexandros Vardakostas told Xconomy his "device isn’t meant to make employees more efficient. It’s meant to completely obviate them." Indeed, marketing copy on the company's site reads that their automaton "does everything employees can do, except better."
Certain establishments already allow you to order food via a wireless device, like your phone or a tablet-device at your table, almost completely eliminating waitstaff. Cooks and a food delivery person and if they want, eliminate that second position and you can pick up your food at the counter. This machine even eliminates the cook.
Entry level jobs are exactly that - entry level. You move your way up from there - if you have any sort of work ethic that is. We did that sort of work before moving on to better things. Sometimes we held two of these jobs at the same time. It paid for school and gas for the beater.
But we never figured on marrying, buying a house and raising a family on those jobs. And you know who else never planned on that? McDonald's, Taco Bell and Wendy's.
Entry level jobs are exactly that - entry level. You move your way up from there - if you have any sort of work ethic that is. We did that sort of work before moving on to better things. Sometimes we held two of these jobs at the same time. It paid for school and gas for the beater.
But we never figured on marrying, buying a house and raising a family on those jobs. And you know who else never planned on that? McDonald's, Taco Bell and Wendy's.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Chicago pays less than $15.00 per hour to off-duty and retired cops working as campus security officers at the City Colleges of Chicago.
Could you please place in all caps in 76 point font size the following:
entry level
work ethic
These entitled f-kers have no clue. Makes me want to puke.
--No Cop Here
If they were smart they'd be shooting for more hours, not more money.
Beware of what one asks for. Fast food places could turn the tables on demanding employees. McDonald's, Burger-King's, Wendy's and other eateries could turn the cash registers around to face the customers. Customers could then hit the touch screen or be given a 'tablet' so they could order their own meal..
Alexandros Vardakostas told Xconomy his "device isn’t meant to make employees more efficient. It’s meant to completely obviate them."
Mr Vardakostas' machine cannot load itself with ingredients, or carry ingredients into the store, or service itself. Basically the person loading the machine with ingredients is the efficient employee, performing the job of 5, 10, maybe 20 employees, so that person could theoretically get paid many times the average fast food employee along with the cost of food going down, and the other people who would have otherwised performed all of these tasks can now work In other sectors, performing tasks that previously couldn't be filled due to lack of willing workers. That is, of course, if we live in a true free market society instead of the bastardized fascist system we live under now.
There is NO WAY minimum-wage workers will get $15. It is nice rhetoric by Rahm and "Pandering Pat" to make it an issue but let's get real - $15 an hour????
At that point, you can look at automated alternatives - as you start to point out.
OR - cheap, foreign labor which is what MANY companies have done in their own skilled areas to keep costs down. (replacing people)
As more citizens lose their jobs and cannot find anything close to the money that they were making - and they were SKILLED labor, the fight for basic jobs - just to get a job, goes up.
Those unskilled who want $15 an hour, will find themselves competing against those who have more skills than they do competing for the same job and who do you think the business owner is going to chose?
This is already happening - a lot.
Most of the fast food chains in major market cities pay 7 or 8 bucks minimum all ready.
Double that and the product prices will increase as well.
Homey ain't paying 2$ for a taco or slider nor 10$ for a big mac or double dog.
these restaurants will automate or die and once the automation ball gets rolling, those jobs are gone for ever.
It never ceases to amaze me the difference in the immigrant thinking today compared to 100 years ago. Then the dream was to open your own business. Today it's to work at a higher minimum wage. The way you deter the higher minimum wage is you increase the qualifications needed for fast food workers. Reading and math proficiency would be a qualification if not you get a lower wage.
It is something that will increase union rolls and coffers. That is the whole reason for the protests. Say good bye to an affordable burger and frys.
They can't get my order right at 9 bucks an hour! what kind of degree do you have that you deserve $15 an hour to work at a fast food place? Certificate as a Mayo Tech¿
It always makes me laugh (though I should probably be grinding my teeth) when I hear the yelling about how "we need a LIVING WAGE", implying that minimum wage jobs should pay enough to raise a family on. News flash....minimum wage (entry level) jobs, are not meant to raise a family on, you ASSHOLE!
(and by Asshole, I mean Asshole! If you are having kids/family, prior to having a career that will pay enough to support those kids, then that is exactly what you are....an ASSHOLE!)
Haha.
There is no working your way up.
Google this:
For 25% of kids leaving college with a four year degree in hand they are no better off then if they did not go to college at all from a wage perspective.
10% of California's workforce are the illegal immigrants Obama let in forcing wages lower.
We hear all the political chatter about creating much needed living wage jobs in Illinois.
It's a joke my friends. A sick joke!
Check it out.
The BLS tells us that Illinois non-farm payroll jobs went from 5.7931 mil June of last year to 5.8142 mil. this June.
http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.il.htm
What is that?
About 21,100 jobs created? Woo-hoo eh?
But I'm not done.
Now take a look at the monthly Illinois tax revenue report.
If the economy is recovering you would expect to see an increase in individual income tax revenue,
yeah?
Here's a sample of July's report vs last year (YTD nums)
Individual Income Tax (All Funds)
-0.5%
Corporate Income Tax (All Funds)
-7.0%
Gee 20K more jobs and income tax revenue is down. Go figure eh?
Sales Tax (GRFs)
+5.9
Should not be a surprise sales tax is up look at the price increases of food lately! It should be much higher in fact.
Public Utilities (GRFs)
-7.4%
Telecommunications
-9.1%
Electricity
-6.2%
Gas
-4.9
Oh look, cut backs in phone, elec., and gas as the revenue is dropping off a cliff.
Only thing up huge is Estate taxes and Insurance taxes (Ins, which I assume is up because of Obamacare)
Oh and hotel taxes are up.
Motor fuel taxes -7.8% and underground storage tank taxes -14.1
http://tax.illinois.gov/aboutidor/taxresearch/JulyFY2015RevenueReport.pdf
We'll be next on the wage cuts.
Where's the money gonna come from?
The Burger Flippers is what they would call the low hanging fruit.
Those jobs can be automated. Add self checkout and a link card and you don't need anyone to collect the money.
Google is testing a self driving car so no more taxi drivers, truck drivers bus drivers needed.
If we're gonna fly drones by computer there's no need for six-figure airline pilots.
Nah man. the fast food workers are the low hanging fruit and get ready as they move up the ladder.
A Robo cop will keep his mouth shut and protect the corruption at the top -- does exactly what it's programmed to do without morals or questions.
Think it's conspiracy bullshit? Well I ask you how many cops are out and replaced by cameras already?
I don't know what "work" people will do in about 10 years.
But I want to pay $9 for a burger from McDonalds.
"Home health care workers, we can understand. That isn't a job that can be easily replaced..." -- SCC
...but it's also gonna leave a mark when you decide to send out one competent worker who'll earn that wage, instead of literally five giggling, s__t-talking fat girl criminals. "They trainees." One to distract Grandma and the other four to go through the dresser drawers, etc. Really. Less "medication" there after they leave than there was when they got there...not to mention cash, jewelry, unexplained bruises, etc.
...and there's a bill in the pipeline now that would mandate random drug testing on those teen "pharmacy aides." Damn, someone else finally noticed. We can't wait.
I did my time in two Mcdonalds while in high school.
It was fun while it lasted, but I soon realized that kind of work will NOT allow me the dream of a house, and lifetime benefits!
I stayed in school, got skilled and licensed and moved on!
I do have habits that stick with me forever, like grilling food, food handling and sanitation!
Always take something from your previous employers and learn from it!
Something missing from these folks that work there now!
It is NOT a long term place to stay at, go get a skill and license and your world will be a whole lot better in the long run!
In the meantime,
Thanks, Mcdonalds!
Its strategy.. What a great way to buy more votes.
Give'em $15 then fire half of these fuckers, just make sure you give me my coffee with four cream & four sugar.
I agree....ever since I was 14 I held my own jobs and never asked Pops for a dime. Busboy, labor, landscaping, cleaning bars, shoveling snow, etc....had to keep the 74 Pont LeMans running.....oh..and beer money too...lol
AFSCME will want to unionize them,too.
More Democratic voters.
Econ 101 is wasted on these fools.
Guess it take real skill to flip a burger and in many franchise restaurants all the due is reheat a burger already shipped in not even freshly made. Ever look at the register at mcdonalds? No numbers just pictures if what you order,most of the fast food workers can't even add just tell them they are making $20 and hour pay them the same they will have no clue! Peace will be made with them!
On another note 35th street is saying another big wave of airport openings next period get your speed dial ready, wonder why all the sudden big openings? I have 1 more year left not going there as I talked to copper he said it's not as nice as people believe, wonder if that's just a deflection or truth?
I went for my usual car wash to find that the cashier has been replaced by a machine. Yes, that will happen to all of these types of jobs soon, automation. That will happen at McDonalds and it will happen faster now that the NLRB ruled against the company in labor disputes. Now with the campaign for a higher wage, I think McDonald's employees should start looking for something else.
Home health care workers? Really? They receive very little training and are there just to assist with dishes, cleaning and cooking. They might drive the old folks to the doctor's office. And, yes as someone mentioned, many are not to be trusted.
This whole run for $15 is nothing but a push by SEIU to gain membership, nothing more.
I have a lifelong friend who is a major (20 stores in another state) who says all a huge raise will do is result in more layoffs, higher prices and more automation in the future
All this will do is downsize the business. Now one $15 an hour person will do the jobs of two $8 an hour people.
Hmm. I started slinging pizzas and washing dishes for then-current minimum wage (about $3.50 hr). Got my first raise within 3 months, "production supervisor" within a year. Now I'm long out of college pulling 6 figures. I know people who started with even less, and now make an order of magnitude more.
It's ENTRY level. The rest is all up to you. It's called "W-O-R-K" you low skilled, lazy, entitled, socialist fools!
He's just driving business out of Chicago.....
These workers are missing the point of this political ploy. You get work experience in an entry level job, pick up some necessary job tools and then move out into the real workforce. Their beef is with the wrong people. They should be boycotting the political windbags who have neglected increasing job opportunities with actual policies that create investment in industry here in the USA, rather than off-shoring jobs to countries with fewer restrictions, regulations, and lower taxes!!!
This is all bullshit politicians use to hide behind as they continue to screw everyone.
DUMP DURBIN! and every other do nothing, tax spending hypocrite plantation politician.
WAKE UP!!!
I don't know. Seems like if you get up and go to work every day you should make more than $17,000 a year. Can't do much with $17,000
The utes who had all the resources of this society available to them in public schools made no use of them because it was more fun to make babies, smoke weed and shoot each other.
Now it's everybody else's fault they can't find jobs that pay well.
The strikers want the national fast food places to pay $15 an hour, but this won't affect the local businesses, so McDonalds will close down and be replaced by a hot dog stand.
Raise the minimum wage for all employers in the city? You'll force some of the shops that are just making it to shut down.
Now gimme a polish with mustard and grilled onions!
They forgot to mention that there were almost no fast food workers protesting. All the protesters were paid rioters from ACORN type outfits, commie activists, or SEIU scum activists.
If its a RED ROBIN hamburger, then they deserve 15$ an hour.
If you're a single parent making minimum wage, somebody needs to say it...you've made some serious mistakes, and it's not your employer, or the government, or the patrons of the place where you work, or the taxpayers who ought to foot the bill for your idiocy. You CAN be replaced. Stop making mistakes, take responsibility, shut up, and work your way up like the rest of us. If you have no work ethic, it makes no difference to me if you and your kids live under Wacker Drive and eat leftovers out of McDonald's dumpsters.
Everyone & their grandmothers are working in fast food. Once a place where kids could go to earn a little cash. Democrats allowed factories to close and move overseas now adults with and without skills have nowhere to work. Plus Obama needs somebody to pay for his trademark health care plan and the rest of his deadbeats-only programs.
Notice how half of the protest signs are written in Spanish? For $15.00 an hour, I would demand that all of my US based employees speak English. And I'll bet that a lot of those liberal arts graduates from Northwestern who have student loans to pay would be happy to flip burgers for me. Or to load the machine that will be doing it.
What these common communist workers don't understand is that there are plenty of unemployed people to replace them in a heart beat. There are lawyers and medical professionals getting paid less than 15 bucks an hour. No way these burger flippers should get anything even near it. They can get second job like me and quit complaining.
Kids, it's not your fathers or grandfathers job market anymore.
Whelp, looks like the cover has been blown off the political apparatchiks "Job Openings" bullshit --
attempting to conjure up the image that a help wanted ad posted on-line, that cost nothing, is the same as creating an actual job.
Remember the Quinn hype on number of jobs advertised like we're having an economic comeback?
Whelp guess what?
Millions of job openings, so why aren’t companies hiring?
This tactic encourages kids to study in areas where there are no jobs AND as a results floods the same with applicants -- thereby depressing wages.
Starter Jobs?
Quality Of Jobs Created In August Deteriorates Again
...Of the 142K jobs created, just under half came from the lowest paying jobs possible: education and health; leisure and hospitality; and temp-help. The best paying jobs, finance and information, added a whopping 4K jobs between them. Finally, about that much delayed US manufacturing renaissance: stick a fork in it - in August the number of manufacturing jobs created was exactly 0.
53 Million Temps: All You Need To Know About The "Jobs Recovery"
..But wait, it gets worse, because according to the WSJ, roughly one in three U.S. workers is now a freelancer.
Wait, how many?
Fifty-three million Americans, or 34% of the nation’s workforce, qualify as freelancers, according to a new report from the Freelancers Union, a nonprofit organization, and Elance-oDesk Inc., a company that provides platforms for freelancers to find work. These individuals include independent contractors, temps, and moonlighters, among others.
So 53 million, let's call them, temps? That is probably the most stunning number we have seen in years, and flips the entire premise of a "job recovery" on its head.
Labor Participation Rate Drops To Lowest Since 1978; People Not In Labor Force Rise To Record 92.3 Million
...the labor force participation rate dropped once again to 62.8% from 62.9%, matching the lowest since 1978, as a result of the people not in labor force rising once again, and hitting a new all time high record of 92,269,000, up 268,000 from the prior month. In fact, in August the number of people not in the labor force increased by nearly double the number of people who found jobs, which as we reported previously, was only 142K.
Many of the old timers don't get it.
They think that what once was will always be.
They worked their way up and so everyone should be able to do it today.
Well, people once thought that you couldn't go wrong buying real estate too until they bankers blew up the housing market. That's one example of the fallacy.
Oh and you couldn't go wrong getting a degree.. that is until the price of college goes well into the six figure range and that burger flipping job doesn't generate enough income to pay your tuition, forcing you into a government predatory loan.
I thought you were supposed to be on the side of labor. You sound like heartless union busting republicans
Its a good thing. Glad to see it happen. Less tax dollars spent subsidizing billion dollar companies when they should be picking up the tab for health care for their workers rather than forcing tax payers to do it. Good move. They can afford it more than tax payers can. It's only fair.
It never ceases to amaze me the difference in the immigrant thinking today compared to 100 years ago.
In the late 1960's we had less than 350,000 illegal immigrants in the U.S. Today we have well over 25 million illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. If the government just kept on top of it's enforcement, the supply and demand would have taken it's natural course and the workforce would have adapted at a reasonable pace with better trained and compensated employees.
Let's call it what it really is. $15/hr over the next few years is..........?
You got it!
Vote for Rambelina!!!!!
I'm all for the right to organize...
But:
When I worked restaurants in the 90's while in college, if we'd have walked out to strike for better than minimum wages the bosses would have Fired us!
I have no issue with people that want to earn more per hour. Or people that get a 2 or 4 year or better degree wanting to earn a good wage per their educational background.
Par of the problem is that a lot of job you could do in the 90's with just a HS diploma now have minimum educational requirements of an AS/AA or BS/BA. Which is killing off the job pool to choose from.
Not everyone is destined to make 50k or more per year, most of us here will agree with that in theory at least. The problem with a minimum wage job is, at least in Chicago; you can barely afford to live here on 40 hours a week at 9$ per hour.
Take me for example:
805 a month for housing
100 a month for cell phone
90 a month for internet/cable
35 a month electric
400 a month for student loans/other bills
1435 a month just on bills. Not including Food, laundry, Def Comp, medical insurance, and other incidental or emergency expenses.
"A recent report comparing employment in the US between 1910 and 2000 gives us a clear picture. Over the course of the last century, the number of workers employed as domestic servants, in industry, and in the farm sector has collapsed dramatically.
"At the same time, 'professional, managerial, clerical, sales, and service workers' tripled, growing from one-quarter to three-quarters of total employment.
"In other words, productive jobs have, just as predicted, been largely automated away (even if you count industrial workers globally, including the toiling masses in India and China, such workers are still not nearly so large a percentage of the world population as they used to be).
"But rather than allowing a massive reduction of working hours to free the world's population to pursue their own projects, pleasures, visions and ideas, we have seen the ballooning not even so much of the ''service'' sector as of the administrative sector, up to and including the creation of whole new industries such as financial services or telemarketing, or the unprecedented expansion of sectors such as corporate law, academic and health administration, human resources and public relations.
"And these numbers do not even reflect on all those people whose job is to provide administrative, technical or security support for these industries, or for that matter the whole host of ancillary industries (dog-washers, all-night pizza-delivery drivers) that only exist because everyone else is spending so much of their time working in all the other ones.
"These are what I propose to call 'bullshit jobs.'"
http://m.smh.com.au/national/public-service/the-modern-phenomenon-of-nonsense-jobs-20130831-2sy3j.html
That Lexus, Nike's, Gucci belts PS4's don't buy themselves. Cant wait to spend the money on short term gains rather than food, rent, bills. Money for gas to cruise around theres always money for that.
"Basically the person loading the machine with ingredients is the efficient employee, performing the job of 5, 10, maybe 20 employees, so that person could theoretically get paid many times the average fast food employee..."
9/05/2014 12:31:00 AM
Not just loading the machine, but cleaning and maintaining it, keeping the supplies rolling in on time, and knowing how to make adjustments and fix problems on-screen with the computer that will be controlling the thing.
"Automated Food Service IT Specialist." As you say, should get the wages of 20 people with spatulas.
Self service restaurants are already happening!
I went to a Mcdonalds in Western part of Illinois and guess what, you ordered your food through a Kiosk, then paid it through the Kiosk and then waited for your number to be called by one person holding your tray of food!
Just like Home Depot, Walmart and other stores, Kiosk are faster then waiting for some pissed off employee to process your transaction!
It is cheaper for the business and the machines don't take a break, don't want a raise and no benefits!
So adios suckers!
Enjoy the unemployment lines while you snack on a Big Mac waiting for your number to be called by another pissed off State employee!
Do you guys not know how barganing works(of course you start high), yes there asking for 15 but they will settle on 10-12 tops. Sheesh
'The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed' - Steve Biko
Pretty ironic that liberal democrats have become the oppressors in our country.
And with the robot, nobody snotts in your food, or scratches their unwashed balls without washing their hands.
Not everyone is destined to make 50k or more per year, most of us here will agree with that in theory at least. The problem with a minimum wage job is, at least in Chicago; you can barely afford to live here on 40 hours a week at 9$ per hour.
Take me for example:
805 a month for housing
100 a month for cell phone
90 a month for internet/cable
35 a month electric
400 a month for student loans/other bills
1435 a month just on bills. Not including Food, laundry, Def Comp, medical insurance, and other incidental or emergency expenses.
9/05/2014 12:52:00 PM
If you've got student loans to pay off and you're making $9 an hour, you did something very wrong.
Anonymous said...
Chicago pays less than $15.00 per hour to off-duty and retired cops working as campus security officers at the City Colleges of Chicago.
9/05/2014 12:09:00 AM
I work at the city college of chicago doing security. We make more than $15.00 an hour. Actually around $17.50. Not much more than $15.00
These restaurants can raise the wages of their employees to $15 without raising prices higher than you would think. A Big Mac would only cost $0.68 more. You would forknow over a little more than half a dollar more for your meal, but as a result of that someone's family could then get by without the need for government assistance. If you complain about the entitlement mentality, you should be in support of this.
"Amy Traub, senior policy analyst with progressive public policy organization Demos, favors raising the minimum wage for larger economic reasons, explaining that when low-wage workers have more money in their pockets, they tend to spend it immediately.
“That added consumer demand gives businesses a reason to create jobs,” she said.
She points to Demos’ research, which finds that if the nation’s largest retailers significantly raised wages for their lowest-paid employees, it could create 100,000 or more new jobs, not only pulling working families out of poverty but boosting sales for retailers."
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/315-19/25714-price-of-big-macs-would-only-increase-by-68c-if-minimum-wage-was-doubled
Could I have one of those $12.00 whoppers? With Cheese.
Anonymous said...
"Not everyone is destined to make 50k or more per year, most of us here will agree with that in theory at least. The problem with a minimum wage job is, at least in Chicago; you can barely afford to live here on 40 hours a week at 9$ per hour.
Take me for example:
805 a month for housing
100 a month for cell phone
90 a month for internet/cable
35 a month electric
400 a month for student loans/other bills
1435 a month just on bills. Not including Food, laundry, Def Comp, medical insurance, and other incidental or emergency expenses."
...The problem here appears to be champagne taste on a beer budget. Instead of stripping down to basics it appears you wish for a lifestyle you do not earn. Plain & simple. You're at fault for being unrealistic- you don't deserve what you can't afford.
Pare down. And spend your spare time looking for a better job scenario so that you can improve your lifestyle.
You say you went to college? Yet, to me, you sound like you don't want to work too hard. You just want to be paid as if you did. And live as if you did.
$100 for one cellphone? Outrageous for someone on minimum wage. Find cheaper. You can't afford this.
$90 for internet//cable?? Ridiculous. You can't afford the luxury. Get rid of cable TV. Sell your television or give it away. Stream Hulu free on your internet. More than half the cost of what you're doing now.
$805 for housing?? Find cheaper! Get a roommate(s) to de-fray overall costs, or strip down your lifestyle and get a cheap studio. Even in posh Lincoln Park, for example, you can find a decent studio apartment in a large apartment building for a minimum of several hundred dollars less than what you currently pay.
Your problem appears to be that you expect the world to spoil you as you are spoiling yourself.
You can't blame minimum wage laws for that.
You can only blame yourself.
I'm all for the right to organize...
But:
When I worked restaurants in the 90's while in college, if we'd have walked out to strike for better than minimum wages the bosses would have Fired us!
I have no issue with people that want to earn more per hour. Or people that get a 2 or 4 year or better degree wanting to earn a good wage per their educational background.
Par of the problem is that a lot of job you could do in the 90's with just a HS diploma now have minimum educational requirements of an AS/AA or BS/BA. Which is killing off the job pool to choose from.
Not everyone is destined to make 50k or more per year, most of us here will agree with that in theory at least. The problem with a minimum wage job is, at least in Chicago; you can barely afford to live here on 40 hours a week at 9$ per hour.
Take me for example:
805 a month for housing
100 a month for cell phone
90 a month for internet/cable
35 a month electric
400 a month for student loans/other bills
1435 a month just on bills. Not including Food, laundry, Def Comp, medical insurance, and other incidental or emergency expenses.
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Cancel the cell phone and cable buddy. 200 a month on luxuries you don't need. Sorry it's not my job to pay for the minimum wage increase so u can have a cell phone or be able to watch game of thrones
Why wouldn't they install the burgertron regardless of a wage increase? This threat is a moot point.
Take me for example:
805 a month for housing
100 a month for cell phone
90 a month for internet/cable
35 a month electric
400 a month for student loans/other bills
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Well, I'll save you a buck or two, no cell phone and no cable or internet until you make more. Get a land line and stay off it.
"Automated Food Service IT Specialist." As you say, should get the wages of 20 people with spatulas.
9/05/2014 01:45:00 PM
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20 people? What, he's a Dr.? 20 times $9 per hour is $180 per hour. They'll pay this schlep $20-$25 per hour and he'll like it.
Many of the old timers don't get it.
They think that what once was will always be.
They worked their way up and so everyone should be able to do it today.
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Lose your entitled mentality, Gen Xer, nothing stays the same. But one thing never changes, you work your ass off, doing a good job, better than those around you and you'll advance. I've seen work ethics my whole life that appall me. Lazy fucks, bitch about everything and don't do shit. If you employed yourself, you'd fire yourself.
So, you're right, I don't get it. I do a fair amount of work each day and I do more than people half my age. I don't want my supervisor snooping around me. I do more than you because I have pride in completing my tasks assigned to me, efficiently if possible. I have what is called the old Protestant work ethic, which is not exclusive to Protestants, but it means do your job with some pride. BTW, save for a rainy day, don't spend money you don't have.
Anonymous said...
I don't know. Seems like if you get up and go to work every day you should make more than $17,000 a year. Can't do much with $17,000
9/05/2014 08:42:00 AM
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Maybe you should get a better job then. If they raise the wages enough, $15 per hour might be it and they'll automate some of those jobs. Instead of 30 employees, they might be able to get by with 15. They don't even put ice or pop in the cups anymore, a machine does it. Who will employ the 15 that lost their job?
It's sad to me. I saw my dad switch jobs twice trying to make a living for us. Mom wanted more money, she went to night school with three little ones at home while dad worked 3-11s. I worked at McDonald's and a thousand other entry level spots BUT I joined the service, went to college and worked my butt off. First job out of grad school I was making about 16 an hour and this was 5 years ago. What they really seem to ignore is that those same workers can make manager without ever going to school. I met a guy who worked at White Castle throughout high school and now he has a regional position making six figures...no degree. I know a girl who never worked any place else other than McDonald's. Started in high school, never went to college, and has been managing the joint for several years. You should not be at entry level ANYWHERE for several years.
What is it about striking workers that brings out the inner Javert in so many people?
Take me for example:
805 a month for housing
100 a month for cell phone
90 a month for internet/cable
35 a month electric
400 a month for student loans/other bills
1435 a month just on bills. Not including Food, laundry, Def Comp, medical insurance, and other incidental or emergency expenses.
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Cancel the cell phone and cable buddy. 200 a month on luxuries you don't need. Sorry it's not my job to pay for the minimum wage increase so u can have a cell phone or be able to watch game of thrones
9/06/2014 01:01:00 AM
And get two roommates. It's called 'starting out' in life.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's sad to me. I saw my dad switch jobs twice trying to make a living for us. Mom wanted more money, she went to night school with three little ones at home while dad worked 3-11s. I worked at McDonald's and a thousand other entry level spots BUT I joined the service, went to college and worked my butt off. First job out of grad school I was making about 16 an hour and this was 5 years ago. What they really seem to ignore is that those same workers can make manager without ever going to school. I met a guy who worked at White Castle throughout high school and now he has a regional position making six figures...no degree. I know a girl who never worked any place else other than McDonald's. Started in high school, never went to college, and has been managing the joint for several years. You should not be at entry level ANYWHERE for several years.
9/06/2014 02:39:00 AM
Couldn't agree more. That's why it's called entry level and not CEO level.
Even if they don't raise the prices of food two fold they will cut everyone's hours. There will be no more full time employees except for management. They will not be paying $15 an hour plus benefits. It just won't happen. Technology in every fast food place may not happen as fast as the wage increase, but hours cut & benefits slashed will happen faster than u can say Big Mac. $15 an hour is not going to help if you are only getting 15 hours a week. This definitely was not thought out. But our leaders will be up there saying "we tried". That's just laughable out loud!
"$805 for housing?? Find cheaper! Even in posh Lincoln Park, for example, you can find a decent studio apartment in a large apartment building for a minimum of several hundred dollars less than what you currently pay."
9/05/2014 09:16:00 PM
So there are nice studio apartments available in Lincoln Park for $100/month?
Not there. Not ANYWHERE. Even a no-cooking single room in one of the remaining YMCAs is about $600/mo.
A hundred bucks a month for a cell phone? Obama gave me mine for free.
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