Less Police and Detectives? Less Solved Crime!
This post should have gone up last night but didn't for reasons unknown.
Less Detectives? Less solved crime? Who are these reporters and where have they been lurking for years now?
Less Detectives? Less solved crime? Who are these reporters and where have they been lurking for years now?
- In his reelection campaign, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is taking credit for a slight decline in the city’s homicide rate. But a WBEZ investigation raises a question about the murders that are still happening: Is the city doing enough to put the killers behind bars?
Emanuel has allowed detective ranks to decline during his term even as internal police records show some of the lowest murder clearance rates in decades. Our story explores those rates through the eyes of city detectives and a mother who lost her 18-year-old daughter in an unsolved case last October.
A few notes about the data (charted below): Regarding the detectives, the number on the payroll is down by about 19 percent since Emanuel took office, according to records obtained by WBEZ under the state Freedom of Information Act. The ranks of evidence technicians and forensic investigators have thinned by even larger proportions.
The graphs attached to the article are pretty damning, too, but nothing that we and our readers haven't been pointing out for years and years here.
Labels: department issues, media
posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
121 Comments:
"In his reelection campaign, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is taking credit for a slight decline in the city’s homicide rate..."
...compared to the last five minutes.
Chuy is who we have, so Chuy it must be. Something gotta give. Otherwise, we get more of these "Emanuel summers" where Rahm I. books to Eagle River or Austin or Aspen while the place blows up back here.
8315 W. Forest Preserve Ave Chicago, Il okay detective solved this headline news story!
wait, just SUSPEND THE CASE (X) check mark here and check mark there...that's how to reduce your caseload....furlough, time due,,,retirement! Done!
If SCC screams in a forest of liberal reporters but they all refuse to listen ........ does he still make a sound????
In 2005, after the Youth Investigators and Gang Speialists (all 60 of them) were converted to detectives, the number stood at 1350. Now the budgeted strength is 850.
Phil was a former detective and detective commander himself, but he had no time for detectives. He was the first supe to really manage by statistics. He brought TRU and nearly doubled the size of organized crime. The sole focus was on stopping crime, not solving it.
Jody didn't promote a single detective. It was five years between the November 2007 and December 2012 promotions. He also gave us MSF.
McCarthy gave us "Teams" of detectives. Instead of a set of partners catching a murder with a little help from someone else, you have two dics doing the pulling and five others watching them. At least a lot of people get to say they work homicide and strut around wherever it is they strut. Never really say much about solving homicides though.
It just keeps getting worse. I've been a dic since 1998 and I would say the administrative time in an investigation has easily quadrupled. It seems my job is to generate paper.
There has also been a cultural shift in how cases are investigated. Fifteen years you drove around the block and talked to every mope until you found who you were looking for. The guys who trained me barely knew what a computer was. Now you drop the Stop Order and surf the net until someone else brings you your witness or offender.
One good thing that has happened is that now I can say I work in "the Bureau", just like the movies. Other than that I would say it is unfixable.
OT - Welcome home JJ Jr. you rotten, stinking whore of a thief. Enjoy your stay at the halfway house in DC. Now send that painted parrot you call a wife to the bird cage for her part of the heist.
How can this be?? Isn't Napolean the one who put 1,000 more officers on the streets?(wink, wink)
Crime is down! According to the mayor and his puppet police chief.
And don't forget that "up" is down.
The Hom/Det ranks in the late 90's and early 2000 were being replaced by a clout driven Chief of Detectives. Years of developing the culture of Homicide Investigations and the seasoned Investigators passing this on to the new Dicks was totally lost. The Chief of Detective came directly from the Chief of Patrol. He was never a Detective and did not understand the culture. The retirements in the D-Units then, disseminated the experience needed to properly do Homicide type investigations. If you don't believe this info, just look at that time period and the rate of clear-ups.
Let me guess. Most of the killers are black as are most of those killed. I suppose if the black community does not get off on police enforcement, then there is little political pressure on the establishment to solve these crimes.
Scare tactics, Chicken Little the sky is falling. CPD doesn't need more people. The ones it has need to work smarter and harder.
And why do you think a class of detectives is coming out this week? Rahm will say he saw the problem and has already addressed it. Problem solved.
What he won't say, but Chuy should hammer home, is that Rahm is the one who ENCOURAGED the cut in detectives and all police officers, and it went on for nearly four years under his despotic reign.
The little drop in the bucket class this week is a political ploy, nothing else.
If they shove that messed up 10 hour schedule citywide next year I guarantee that numbers will fall even more. Officers will retire and others quit. This department and city have to realize that not only are you chasing citizens away also employees. Over the years I have seen new hires get couple years under their belt then leave for better departments or just change careers period after realizing this sucks. This once was a great place to work and live.
Rahama Great for the ChIraq
Violence is down especially in the Black Community
Vote Accordingly
Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...
Off topic- Anyone know if it's true former Ohare Tact BS now ruining the 22nd District tried returning 12 custom tailored Sgt uniforms to VCG but they wouldn't give a refund!! His money! He started screaming and 25 th District cops had to respond. Could someone tell him Daddy Dugan has no juice , he's not getting promoted!
3/24/2015 03:32:00 PM
He claims his number is in the 100's off this new test. So if true he wont need merit.
3/25/2015 02:50:00 AM<<<
I'm retired but isn't VCG on the 5000 Block of W. Irving Park Road and in the 16th District. Someone southsider is shooting his mouth off...
3/25/2015 08:27:00 PM
Ah, sounds like old big fat BS is making friends everywhere he goes!!
In 2010 youth officers where included as detectives. There was about 350 or so youth officers added by Cline to boost the man power without having to hire anyone extra. I know I carried an investigator star for about a year before reaching into a shoe box and pulling out my detectives star.
It's not the Quantity of Detectives, it is the Quality of Detectives. How many have most of them put behind bars for serious crimes in 2013 & 2014 ? Why do their Supervisors cover for the incompetent ones?
Training Dets to perform the most voluminous of ET duties and then cutting ETs makes budget sense
And how funny none of the news channels bothered to investigate or them two shit rags in this city???? Can you say controlled by the mayor!!!!!
When they closed areas 4 and 5 they played the numbers game and said we were at full strength. We were actually over 200 Dets short but those positions were wiped from the budget with the merger.
Also to consider, this Dick test is 10 years old. You have people in this current class who will retire soon. the D-unit is getting old and needs younger people. A mix of youth and experience is always good.
I'm a older Detective and I feel sorry for the younger people on this job. There are people with over 10 years on who have never had the chance to take a Detective exam. Its not the job it once was but it is a great job. Once you get the hang of it you will never want to take another promotional exam again.
no snitch policy by gangs , keeps cases unsolved
You can't pull one over on these crack reporters. Nope. Nosiree Bob.
You have to remember, some people don't want the police until they need us but still don't want us anyway.
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR RAHM ,see what happens to everyone if you do
CPD has 800 budgeted vacancies
how did that happen and where is the money?
Why no questions from FOP about eliminating the Gold Braid Pension
how about a class of EVIDENCE TECHS?they help get the evidence to solve crimes!!WAY,WAY SHORT!WE NEED A CLASS NOW TO BE TRAINED FOR SUMMER!!
Perhaps 025 can try to keep its trigger happy gangbangers out of 016.
"Now (JJJr.) send that painted parrot you call a wife to the bird cage for her part of the heist."
3/26/2015 09:13:00 AM
S&S can investigate and coordinate and facilitate her disenfranchisement and incarceration -- deliver her right to the front door in her own personal city snow plow.
Around the block four times before it finally stops. Lights flashing, salt spewing everywhere...
Probably she avoids a month chained up hand and foot and needing to pee, eating peanut butter crackers on Fed Air, and also skips the indeterminate stay in that razor-wired cement box out behind the OKC airport, and goes straight to a minimum...
Remember, girl. Michelle O. say "Drink yo tea without sugar."
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It is simple.
The Detectives need more training and management in the D-Unit has to be more qualified.
OT:
Emanuel campaign is planning on busing 300-400 people to vote early in 016th district station and Roden library.
They won't tell what days they're going to do it either.
They are going to try to flood the polls so that locals get discouraged and don't come in to vote for Garcia.
Get your relatives and neighbors out to vote ASAP!
So the ET test is scheduled. Can someone answer why they can't have the test at a school that has a fucking parking lot! Street parking is impossible Whitney Young.
For the next equation to be given some thought.
In 1986-1987 the city hired a record 2000 policemen. They are now in their 29 year of their careers. Most of them are punching out next year. Will Chuy's 1000 hires be 1000 to replenish half of the 2000 or 1000 after he replaces the 2000.
I wonder who is doing their math! It's more like a 35% decline in detectives.
Phil was a former detective and detective commander himself, but he had no time for detectives
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Phil cline was never a detective, he was only a supervisor in the dicks unit.....
It's refreshing to hear that term "stop order" it means that you have some miles on you.
whether or not alderman emma mitts should be charged with a HATE CRIME based upon her remarks or the CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT MEMBER should complete an INFORMATION REPORT use the quotes Mitts made at the recent public speaking engagements!
Vote Jesus Garcia for Mayor!
Together We Can!
Crime? What crime?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In 2005, after the Youth Investigators and Gang Speialists (all 60 of them) were converted to detectives, the number stood at 1350. Now the budgeted strength is 850.
Phil was a former detective and detective commander himself, but he had no time for detectives. He was the first supe to really manage by statistics. He brought TRU and nearly doubled the size of organized crime. The sole focus was on stopping crime, not solving it.
Jody didn't promote a single detective. It was five years between the November 2007 and December 2012 promotions. He also gave us MSF.
McCarthy gave us "Teams" of detectives. Instead of a set of partners catching a murder with a little help from someone else, you have two dics doing the pulling and five others watching them. At least a lot of people get to say they work homicide and strut around wherever it is they strut. Never really say much about solving homicides though.
It just keeps getting worse. I've been a dic since 1998 and I would say the administrative time in an investigation has easily quadrupled. It seems my job is to generate paper.
There has also been a cultural shift in how cases are investigated. Fifteen years you drove around the block and talked to every mope until you found who you were looking for. The guys who trained me barely knew what a computer was. Now you drop the Stop Order and surf the net until someone else brings you your witness or offender.
One good thing that has happened is that now I can say I work in "the Bureau", just like the movies. Other than that I would say it is unfixable.
3/26/2015 09:03:00 AM
Absolutely correct, on all points.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If SCC screams in a forest of liberal reporters but they all refuse to listen ........ does he still make a sound????
3/26/2015 08:55:00 AM
Yes, thanks to the internet.
Rahm is going to bus Rev. Meeks' flock to early vote in 016 district station, trying to make the locals stay away.
shoot a banger; no problem!
beat up and rob the Rahm kid and off to court you go.
I'm voting Chuy............Rahm already had almost four years and where are we?
OT. Rhamberg has been officially confirmed as an idiot. He proposed renaming Ohare or Midway after Barry O. He thought it would be more appropriate than having the airports named after "some battleship".
Solve this crime! Decapitated victim with a koran near his body in 017.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Scare tactics, Chicken Little the sky is falling. CPD doesn't need more people. The ones it has need to work smarter and harder.
3/26/2015 10:29:00 AM
Hiya Rahm-Troll!
You again?
Hopefully and soon, may
you or your loved ones be
on the big shit end in the worst
possible way of Rahm's
Police lay-off/reduction in force...
Don't holler when the urban
buccaneers plunder your booty...
Rahm says:
"It's for the children..."
Rahm's hand picked Superintendent from New York didn't have a clue that Chicago crime and New York crime might not necessarily Be the same. He and the other New Yorker have totally dismantled and destroyed this Department.
The Detective Unit is thinned to a useless number. That Unit needed experienced, seasoned Detectives to pass down their knowledge. Now it's gone and cannot be replaced.
Patrol is equally decimated. Uniformed officers are stretched so thin, there is no proactive policing done anymore. There is no back up out there. You think I am risking my life and my family's future stopping a car load of thugs without help? Not gonna happen.
Hundreds of officers sitting inside on computers manipulating statistics so their boss doesn't get screamed at during the CONPSTAT circus. Hundreds of officers set aside to specialized units that do next to nothing all day when they could be bolstering uniformed Patrol officers and handling jobs. Ask yourself Mr or Ms Taxpayer: When was the last time you saw marked car on your block, or on a traffic stop?
Stations were closed with no real plan and on the big lie that the officers numbers would not be diminished. Hey look! All those stations are still manned, just less effectively. Officers have to travel miles to get to their jobs or to assist one another.
In short, the officers are less safe. The citizens are less safe. The taxpayers are paying millions in overtime for officers to work their days off in lieu of hiring more officers. How much work do you think they are doing?
Get rid of Rahm. Get rid of McCarthy. Things need to improve.
You obviously miss BS, does your family know your obsessed with another man? It's not a bad thing, just be honest and tell him you love and miss him. It hurts my heart to see you in such pain. Do you need a hug sweetie????
Did Racoon eyes get a bleaching ?
I think it's total bullshit that HR has decided to hold the ET exam the week of spring break for most, if not all, grammer school and high school kids in chicago. The mayor felt it was important enough to mail out absentee ballots to every household in Chicago just so Chicagoans would have the opportunity to vote during spring break knowing folks would be out of town. Asshole Don O'Neal doesn't give a fuck about the police anyone. Let's band together and make FOP do their damn job and raise some hell on this issue.
Cops: Guard illegally used police radio to call in foot chase after shooting threat, vandalism......Jodie G. Madison, of the 5700 block of West Race Avenue in Chicago, was charged with reckless conduct, possession of a replica firearm—a pellet gun--and possession of a police scanner to interfere with transmission of police radio traffic, all misdemeanors....Madison was suspected of interfering with radio traffic numerous times over the last few months.......the dispatcher said. "Not supposed to have a radio!
Mayor Emanuel supporter of more security guards and security officers over hiring more POLICE this is a byproduct of do more with less style of policing!
In typical Rahm double speak he danced all around this question during tonight's debate. The question was put directly to him yet Rahm never answered it.
Anybody but Rahm.
No fear you have the best LT in the det bureau at AC RBT. It does not matter that he has zero experience as a Det. But you would not know that if you ask him. Heard he's chasing people away too. Way to go Joe!
Anonymous said...
The Hom/Det ranks in the late 90's and early 2000 were being replaced by a clout driven Chief of Detectives. Years of developing the culture of Homicide Investigations and the seasoned Investigators passing this on to the new Dicks was totally lost. The Chief of Detective came directly from the Chief of Patrol. He was never a Detective and did not understand the culture. The retirements in the D-Units then, disseminated the experience needed to properly do Homicide type investigations. If you don't believe this info, just look at that time period and the rate of clear-ups.
3/26/2015 10:28:00 AM
Oh, really? Chief JE "came from the Chief of Patrol" and was never a dick? Don't worry, son. You'll never be a detective. In fact, I'd be really surprised if you're a P.O. Well; maybe not.
I didn't know the mayor was personally responsible for overseeing the number of detectives that are currently active.
Take a look at the percentage of follow up investigators to initial responders. New York / LA / Dallas about 20%. Chicago 10%. Now lets include all 300 guys from naecotics, 150 in GID and 100 in VCD brings us up to 13%. There are 630 officers out there that will never see a promotion because the mayor chooses to ignore best practices as followed by every other LE agency in this country. Thats after they get beck up to around 1,000 detectives. Right now they are short about one thousand detectives. This city will never see them either. Instead they will see more flower pots, bike lanes, and bollmingdale trails.
never were 350 YOs. about 930 detectives, 200 YOs, and 120 GCSs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I didn't know the mayor was personally responsible for overseeing the number of detectives that are currently active.
3/26/2015 10:51:00 PM
He has claimed - numerous times - that the buck stops with him and he IS responsible for all decisions made in this city. So, yes, he is responsible.
And don't think for one minute that any cpd promotion or recruit class goes into that academy without his express approval.
He has been very vocal that he intends to do more with fewer sworn in the Dept.
That place Triple J went for his prison term is one of those places where ya come out a better golfer, tennis player, and any other thing U'r into.
I'd love to see this 1/2 way house. All premium cable, gourmet food, and Dear Lord, the rap/ hip hop noise.
Old Man Jesse isn't going let his boy go thru anything uncomfortable
Train the 100 new detectives how to process a crime scene , photos , fingerprints , collection of evidence , also train every new police recruit how to dust for fingerprints , collect evidence and take photos . Problem solved , no ET test and a better trained police department .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rahm is going to bus Rev. Meeks' flock to early vote in 016 district station, trying to make the locals stay away.
3/26/2015 05:43:00 PM
I was there today. It was a steady stream of 40yoa + for the hour I was there. None of those good citizens would have been deterred by a large voting group; they'd just have chatted away with each other like they did while they waited today.
If that's truly a Rahm tactic, it's going to be a waste of time and effort.
Training Dets to perform the most voluminous of ET duties and then cutting ETs makes budget sense
>>>>troll!
JE, was not Chief of Detectives in the late 90s and 2000. In fact, he wasn't even a Sgt. If you are a detective, I understand now, why the clearance rate is so low.
Tomorrow a Sgt from SWAT will be promoted to Commander of Special Functions. Must be nice to be in with the Greeks ad go from Sgt to Commander. Everything is legit boys and girls.
Anonymous said...
OT. Rhamberg has been officially confirmed as an idiot. He proposed renaming Ohare or Midway after Barry O. He thought it would be more appropriate than having the airports named after "some battleship".
3/26/2015 07:16:00 PM
I hope that's a joke. Obama is THE WORST president in the history of America! I'll fly out of Milwaukee then. It's also a lot cheaper to park.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT:
Emanuel campaign is planning on busing 300-400 people to vote early in 016th district station and Roden library.
They won't tell what days they're going to do it either.
They are going to try to flood the polls so that locals get discouraged and don't come in to vote for Garcia.
Get your relatives and neighbors out to vote ASAP!
3/26/2015 03:36:00 PM
And Rahm has an "insurmountable" 16% lead with 16% "undecided?"
Rahm IS scared...
OK... A bus caravan of 16th District taxpayers (with security and audio/video with tail cars to various make believe churches...
Turnabout = Fair play...
It's only Rahm so it's ok to fight dirty.
Have legal counsel on standby. Send video of any onscene jaw-jacking by catered to constituents or any CPD management member sent to run interference. Document fully and be prepared to get the C/R#.
BOLO for retaliatory action from the department.
BOLO for the catch alls about failure to obey a "lawful" order conduct unbecoming and bringing discredit to the department.
All that is possible just for fighting back.
Oh yeah...
It'll be played in the media that "those racists at that racist cop blog started it" while Rahm al-Ghoul gets a pass for bussing "non-residents" into 016 to send a message...
Rahm-plestiltskin likes playing with matches eh?
10:51....
Sorry to break the news to you, but the staffing level at every rank is decided on the 5th floor of city hall.
This goes for hiring and all promotions.
The douche bag dujour at 35th St. is only responsible for carrying out the order.
In 2010 youth officers where included as detectives. There was about 350 or so youth officers added by Cline to boost the man power without having to hire anyone extra. I know I carried an investigator star for about a year before reaching into a shoe box and pulling out my detectives star.
3/26/2015 12:08:00 PM
Crafty Phil still running the department years into his retirement.
This dept. Is as bad as it is die to bad management. Is it because of clout babies bring promoted, or terrible ideas being accepted by the incompetent s in power, I don't know. But something needs to change. I agree we need s mix of old and young in the detective division, and everywhere on the dept.
Ha! Exempts are somehow way up!
In 2005 the Youth Investigators were merged with the Detectives to increase the Dietecive manpower numbers.
But as was pointed out to Cline was that the YIs had their own case and work load. So it was not like they could really help with the D's workload.
It was like slicing a pizza. 6 pieces won't feed everybody, but if we cut the pizza in 10 pieces we will have enough for everybody.
Weren't the Gang Crime Specialists also combined with the Detectives?
Man, did the head of the Detectives Association cry like baby at the inclusion of the YIs into his sacred circle.
>>Anonymous said...
I didn't know the mayor was personally responsible for overseeing the number of detectives that are currently active.
3/26/2015 10:51:00 PM<<<
This mayor was responsible for bringing in McHatchetman who's sole purpose was to cut the cost of the CPD and the officers and the public be damned.
Cut the numb of officers on the street and use the 10 hour day scheme. Cut the number of detectives and close three areas to make them drive long distance. Just lie about the crime stats and everything will be alright.
Homicide teams do not work better than homicide partners! Also a sergeant who either never was a homicide det, a burglary det, a theft det, a robbery det, sex det, gang det or any type of agent or investigator has no businesses as a homicide sergeant. Just cause you yell "saddle up " that doesn't make you experienced in homicide investigations. You sir are a goof.......remember when you were sent away to cool your jets? Well its about to happen again. Also how do you have homicide sergeants and a lieutenant who are jailable for several off duty actions (you Mr touchy and feely hand licker) and file looser -finder -looser and finder again running homicide teams. These clowns cant find a complete file to save their careers. Not to mention all of the interfering they do with witnesses and offenders because they don't have to cut paper on what they do......and they teach classes for new dets.....disgusting. there just a law suit away.
Dyla Hata
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You obviously miss BS, does your family know your obsessed with another man? It's not a bad thing, just be honest and tell him you love and miss him. It hurts my heart to see you in such pain. Do you need a hug sweetie????
3/26/2015 08:41:00 PM
they should sign their name, but we know that takes balls so it won't happen.
Who is the overweight black officer all over Rahm's jock in a new commercial supporting Rahm? Is this guy really a retired P.O? What a poor representation of the C.P.D. I wonder what he got in return.
There is only one reason why the clearance is down.
We can no longer force witnesses to sit in the Area and give statements. A few dicks still do it and those poor saps will be the Burges of the future. Their actions today will haunt them long after they retire.
The people in this city have no interest in putting away violent criminals. The people in this city are in the business of letting violent criminals out of jail and giving them tax money. If you push the envelope, you are a fool and you will be treated as one when this department turns its back on you in a civil suit or when the Feds put you into your own jail cell.
>>>>> WBEZ -- Chip Mitchell: ...'a WBEZ investigation raises a question about the murders that are still happening: Is the city doing enough to put the killers behind bars? <<<<<
Gee, it took them long enough, it appears that a 'reporter' or two finally committed; 'A Random Act of Journalism', and took a gaze at the pathetic Homicide Clearance Rates under Tiny Dancer and McJersey. Something I've been posting about here on SCC and every other news site that had an article on McNewlywed's bullshit canards of 'Historic lows blah blah' and 'Lowest (blah blah) since 1965'.
Granted, I didn't start looking back at the numbers/percentages until McPhonyStats started bringing up 1965 ad infinitum, ad nauseam, but I'm not paid to be a 'journalist' either.
My question now is; When will Chip Mitchell's cat wind up dead and nailed to his front door with a Steak Knife through its heart?
Anonymous Anonymous
Man, did the head of the Detectives Association cry like baby at the inclusion of the YIs into his sacred circle.
3/27/2015 01:20:00 AM
Oh, the made-up association? What a great scam that was.
O.T.: I thought that the televised mayoral debates were broadcast live, but apparently that is not true in regards to the Thursday night debate on channel 32. In spite of the fact that the Fox 32 anchors Jeff Herndon and Dawn Hasbrouck began the broadcast by asking viewers to submit questions for the candidates, it appears that the debate had already taken place. At 8:43 pm I received an e-mail news alert from the Tribune which summarized what had taken place during the debate that had apparently already occurred, even though the broadcast did not begin until 9:00 pm. So my question is, who is fooling who; the Fox 32 broadcasters were asking for viewers to submit questions for a debate that was already over. In addition, where did the alleged "viewer" questions originate from. I guess the media and the politicians feel that they can tell the public anything. Makes me wonder what else they are lying about.
Who cares if they promote a sergeant , patrolman to a command exempt position
end the gold braid pension and they will retire at civil service rank
half of cpd exempt test were merit sgt , lt, captain so in reality half should still be in a beat car
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Train the 100 new detectives how to process a crime scene , photos , fingerprints , collection of evidence , also train every new police recruit how to dust for fingerprints , collect evidence and take photos . Problem solved , no ET test and a better trained police department .
3/26/2015 11:27:00 PM
I can tell you've never done the job of a detective or an E.T. If we did shit your way the detectives would never go home and never have a day off. Maybe you can get away with having a detective do everything in podunk hillbillyville where there's one shooting and one murder a year but that would never work in shitcago.
I didn't know the mayor was personally responsible for overseeing the number of detectives that are currently active.
3/26/2015 10:51:00 PM
No he's not but he is responsible for budgeted strength.
Under Rahm's term so far he's eliminated lots of budgeted spots in the department causing a decline in manpower.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O.T.: I thought that the televised mayoral debates were broadcast live, but apparently that is not true in regards to the Thursday night debate on channel 32. In spite of the fact that the Fox 32 anchors Jeff Herndon and Dawn Hasbrouck began the broadcast by asking viewers to submit questions for the candidates, it appears that the debate had already taken place. At 8:43 pm I received an e-mail news alert from the Tribune which summarized what had taken place during the debate that had apparently already occurred, even though the broadcast did not begin until 9:00 pm. So my question is, who is fooling who; the Fox 32 broadcasters were asking for viewers to submit questions for a debate that was already over. In addition, where did the alleged "viewer" questions originate from. I guess the media and the politicians feel that they can tell the public anything. Makes me wonder what else they are lying about.
3/27/2015 11:42:00 AM
The viewer questions came from fox32's website, and were submitted the day before the debate.
The newsreaders probably thought the debate was going out live, but since it was shown in the channel guide at 9pm, everyone should have known it wasn't going to go out live.
It wasn't a big secret, though; channels 7 and 5 both commented about the debate that was going on WHILE they were broadcasting their six pm newscasts.
Did you see the article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel entitled "A Just and Free World Means a World Without Police" by Claire Van Flossen http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/purple-wisconsin/297587211.html. This was published just after the Wisconsin trooper was killed. How Pathetic.
By the time 2000 rolled around the detective division and the culture was gone. They put supervisors in positions in the D-Units from patrol, who were not qualified in any investigation expertise. Detectives that were not the cream of the crop in homicide units. The Det's who could pass on the right way to do investigations were retired. Took the kiddy investigators and made them detectives. I not knocking the kiddy investigators, but they do not know Homicide or other adult criminal investigations. If you shoot someone, who do you want, a kiddy investigator or a real season Homicide Det. I rest my case.
Train the 100 new detectives how to process a crime scene , photos , fingerprints , collection of evidence , also train every new police recruit how to dust for fingerprints , collect evidence and take photos . Problem solved , no ET test and a better trained police department .
3/26/2015 11:27:00 PM
I can tell you've never done the job of a detective or an E.T. If we did shit your way the detectives would never go home and never have a day off. Maybe you can get away with having a detective do everything in podunk hillbillyville where there's one shooting and one murder a year but that would never work in shitcago.
Couldn't agree more. No way Chicago can process a crime scene like on TV and spend all the time investigating.
Starting to hurt the criminal cases because jurors watch TV and expect thats the way it is in real life. They want a mountain of forensic evidence.
>Anonymous said...
I didn't know the mayor was personally responsible for overseeing the number of detectives that are currently active.
3/26/2015 10:51:00 PM<<<
This mayor was responsible for bringing in McHatchetman who's sole purpose was to cut the cost of the CPD and the officers and the public be damned.
Cut the numb of officers on the street and use the 10 hour day scheme. Cut the number of detectives and close three areas to make them drive long distance. Just lie about the crime stats and everything will be alright
The mayor decides the manpower for the CPD. No hiring or promotions happen unless it is approved by the mayors office. The Supt requests promotions and hiring, but it has to be approved by city hall.
I have not thought about the Youth Investigators for a long time. How in fuck do you make Youth Officers into criminal investigators by just changing their badges. 0852hrs. is right, shoot someone back then or even now and pray you get a real Homicide guy to handle the incident.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have not thought about the Youth Investigators for a long time. How in fuck do you make Youth Officers into criminal investigators by just changing their badges...
3/28/2015 12:19:00 PM
EXACTLY the same way they change a patrol officer into a criminal investigator and call him a homicide, or property crimes, or sex detective. EXACTLY the same way.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have not thought about the Youth Investigators for a long time. How in fuck do you make Youth Officers into criminal investigators by just changing their badges...
3/28/2015 12:19:00 PM
EXACTLY the same way they change a patrol officer into a criminal investigator and call him a homicide, or property crimes, or sex detective. EXACTLY the same way.
Actually for a period of time youth officers took the same test as detectives. After the test was give,graded and a list put out when you were called you were given a choice of assignment. Most chose detective, a few gang specialists and because almost all didn't want to be a youth officer they were assigned there as a youth officer when opening became available. My point is youth officer did take the detective test and all the detectives that moan about having to take the detective test forget that what 30% are merit. What does that do to the mighty detetive division
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have not thought about the Youth Investigators for a long time. How in fuck do you make Youth Officers into criminal investigators by just changing their badges...
3/28/2015 12:19:00 PM
EXACTLY the same way they change a patrol officer into a criminal investigator and call him a homicide, or property crimes, or sex detective. EXACTLY the same way.
3/28/2015 10:12:00 PM
Everyone forgets, Youth officers wanted to be kiddy Det's not the other way around. They VOLUNTEERED for want ever reason. Homicide Det's also VOLUNTEERED. The point, suddenly by giving a Youth Officers his or her Detective badge, they miraculously are now a big boy criminal investigator. A lot of people in patrol called Youth Investigator's empty holsters. Talk to real Detectives and you will hear the same thing.
Why does CPD need an XO rank ? Sergeants run the watch and street . It's an appointed , merit rank .
The robbery unit ruled and everyone knows it.
Never heard from a youth Officer after he retired that he was a Kiddy Det. It's alway something like, "I was a Crime Car in the Youth Division" or something else that did not exist.
There's been a lot of shoot outs involving the Youth Division, its a dangerous place to work. Be safe.
Detective division is 20% merit, not 30%. That's for sergeants. 30% is too high of an incompetence threshold for the D-Unit to bear. Since sergeants don't actually do shit for their over inflated salaries, it's easier to hide incompetent ones.
Everyone forgets, Youth officers wanted to be kiddy Det's not the other way around. They VOLUNTEERED for want ever reason. Homicide Det's also VOLUNTEERED. The point, suddenly by giving a Youth Officers his or her Detective badge, they miraculously are now a big boy criminal investigator. A lot of people in patrol called Youth Investigator's empty holsters. Talk to real Detectives and you will hear the same thing.
3/29/2015 10:33:00 AM
No, the point is patrol officers promoted to detective learned how to be big boy detectives once they got their assignments. Once they graduated det school, they went to an area and learned the trade. They weren't anointed.
And youth officers, whether they originally chose youth or got it by default (you're not being factual about how they got their assignments to youth, btw), also learned how to do the other aspects of detective work once the supe decided they were going to be re-assigned to do it. When re-assigned, they learned their new trade, just like a property crimes person who got moved to sex crimes had to learn.
What you conveniently forget is youth people attended DETECTIVE school, just like your 'big boy' detectives. Then many of the classes did ADDITIONAL time in the academy to learn the youth aspects of the job, on top of it. They had the same training YOU did. And then, many classes stayed behind in the academy and had MORE training than you did.
As for what childish names people in patrol called youth investigators, well, hell, I could call you an idiot, but that wouldn't make you an idiot, would it? (Well, maybe that was a poor example, because you're an arrogant, holier than thou, idiot.)
And before the same old, same old, bs starts, no, I was not a youth investigator turned detective. I investigated. You probably read about some of my cases in the papers. (I was a 'big-boy', by your asinine standard.)
Then, I supervised violent crimes and I supervised youth in two different areas. There was excellence in both offices. And there were useless morons in both offices, too. A job title doesn't 'miraculously' confer intelligence, or ability, or good judgment.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never heard from a youth Officer after he retired that he was a Kiddy Det. It's alway something like, "I was a Crime Car in the Youth Division" or something else that did not exist.
3/29/2015 08:41:00 PM
Every area had crime cars in Youth. They handled hotlines and especially heinous cases.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never heard from a youth Officer after he retired that he was a Kiddy Det. It's alway something like, "I was a Crime Car in the Youth Division" or something else that did not exist.
3/29/2015 08:41:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There's been a lot of shoot outs involving the Youth Division, its a dangerous place to work. Be safe.
3/29/2015 08:44:00 PM
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You got issues, guy. Get help.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take a look at the percentage of follow up investigators to initial responders. New York / LA / Dallas about 20%. Chicago 10%. Now lets include all 300 guys from naecotics, 150 in GID and 100 in VCD brings us up to 13%. There are 630 officers out there that will never see a promotion because the mayor chooses to ignore best practices as followed by every other LE agency in this country. Thats after they get beck up to around 1,000 detectives. Right now they are short about one thousand detectives. This city will never see them either. Instead they will see more flower pots, bike lanes, and bollmingdale trails.
3/26/2015 10:57:00 PM
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right. NYPD had about 6k dicks out of 42k cops. that's about 7:1
CPD about 1k dicks to 12000 cops. that's about 12:1
those numbers are off now but they are close. and some NYPD dicks are assigned to narcotics, I understand that, but still .... it's way off
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never heard from a youth Officer after he retired that he was a Kiddy Det. It's alway something like, "I was a Crime Car in the Youth Division" or something else that did not exist.
3/29/2015 08:41:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There's been a lot of shoot outs involving the Youth Division, its a dangerous place to work. Be safe.
You are right. Exactly the same amount as the detective division and which has 10 times as many detectives
The only good thing about the Youth Div, it had better baseball teams that would beat Violent Crime units.
youth is a good place to hide. it has less dumps. when the department has the numbers people, they will have their dumps in the detective division. the legal question, is a detective position a promotion or an appointment. if the latter, there will be dumps.
We placed a juv. under arrest in the 11th dist. After processing this shithead the youth officer told us we had to drive him home to his aunt or grandmother. I asked if there was something wrong with his vehicle. The youth officer then said, he didn't want too, but he would order us to transport. Finally, our Sgt. over-ruled this asshole. The Sgt. told the youth guy, patrol is priority in this department and if he wanted to take this to another level, he(Sgt) would be happy to accommodate. The bottom line, youth guy drove the little jag-off home.
>>>Anonymous said...
We placed a juv. under arrest in the 11th dist. After processing this shithead the youth officer told us we had to drive him home to his aunt or grandmother. I asked if there was something wrong with his vehicle. The youth officer then said, he didn't want too, but he would order us to transport. Finally, our Sgt. over-ruled this asshole. The Sgt. told the youth guy, patrol is priority in this department and if he wanted to take this to another level, he(Sgt) would be happy to accommodate. The bottom line, youth guy drove the little jag-off home.
3/30/2015 10:03:00 AM<<<
I wasn't there but I did work in 010 for over ten years. You may be misstating the case. The Y.O. may have wanted you to take the little "offender" home because he had other Patrol units, 010,011, 012 or 013 stacked up and waiting for his assistance. So while he drove the "juv" home by himself another Patrol unit sat and waited for him to get back. If the kid was your pinch then why not meet the parent(s). Y.O.'s can get very busy serving the Patrol Division.
Hey, we had the same problem with a Kiddy Det. This guy wanted us to drive mama, his play daddy, the aunt, and two little monkey's home. We didn't tell this jerk we had Time Due on the end, so we just did a duck and cutout.
Between a youth crime car and Capt. Fonnzie, he'd knock them out.
We placed a juv. under arrest in the 11th dist. After processing this shithead the youth officer told us we had to drive him home to his aunt or grandmother. I asked if there was something wrong with his vehicle. The youth officer then said, he didn't want too, but he would order us to transport. Finally, our Sgt. over-ruled this asshole. The Sgt. told the youth guy, patrol is priority in this department and if he wanted to take this to another level, he(Sgt) would be happy to accommodate. The bottom line, youth guy drove the little jag-off home.
Appears you don't make many juvenile arrests. All we ever did was make out the arrest report, case report and then turn the juvenile over to the youth officer after telling him that the juveniles parent was notified. Kid was his after that and we left. He can't order you to do anything
Youth officers act like their a lead detective in a major murder crime case. It's more true then not, over stepping their authority is the norm. They come into the dist and act like your disturbing them form doing something more important. You give the Youth officer the arrest report and all the info he needs. After all that, I will bet you, almost always they want you to drive or pick-up someone. I will go and picked up the offender(s) parents or other relatives to help with the processing. Lately, we have drawn the line in driving anyone home from the station. This is what we do and the Youth officer(s) don't like it. There are shortages all over the place and calling supervisors is getting old.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
>>>Anonymous said...
We placed a juv. under arrest in the 11th dist. After processing this shithead the youth officer told us we had to drive him home to his aunt or grandmother. I asked if there was something wrong with his vehicle. The youth officer then said, he didn't want too, but he would order us to transport. Finally, our Sgt. over-ruled this asshole. The Sgt. told the youth guy, patrol is priority in this department and if he wanted to take this to another level, he(Sgt) would be happy to accommodate. The bottom line, youth guy drove the little jag-off home.
3/30/2015 10:03:00 AM<<<
I wasn't there but I did work in 010 for over ten years. You may be misstating the case. The Y.O. may have wanted you to take the little "offender" home because he had other Patrol units, 010,011, 012 or 013 stacked up and waiting for his assistance. So while he drove the "juv" home by himself another Patrol unit sat and waited for him to get back. If the kid was your pinch then why not meet the parent(s). Y.O.'s can get very busy serving the Patrol Division.
3/30/2015 02:23:00 PM
I don't work in the above dist., but Youth Officers act exactly with the same MO as mentioned. Reading what this guy wrote about meeting the little assholes parents. Hey, Youth Boy, I and my partner don't want to meet any of their parents, grandparents, maybe daddy's, or play relatives. Has anyone noticed when heavy weapon training occurs, there is no Youth Officers being qualified.
At a bar in the 19 ward. There were a couple of retirees hanging around. The usual conversation, were did you work, how many years where you on. I swear one of the retirees was in the Youth Division and must not read second city cop. I asked what he did in the Youth Division, you guessed it, Tactical Crime Car Detective. My partner was laughing so hard he couldn't finish his drink.
I'd rather have a supervisor from the youth division than a supervisor who worked in the IAD.
>>>Anonymous said...
I'd rather have a supervisor from the youth division than a supervisor who worked in the IAD.
3/31/2015 10:26:00 AM<<<
I STRONGLY DISAGREE!
Some of the absolutely best bosses I ever worked with in a 30 plus year career had formerly worked in IAD.
They knew how to craft reports and save asses on paper and could play a typewriter like Liberace on the piano. I learned a lot from them and used it and passed on to the people I worked with later.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
>>>Anonymous said...
We placed a juv. under arrest in the 11th dist. After processing this shithead the youth officer told us we had to drive him home to his aunt or grandmother. I asked if there was something wrong with his vehicle. The youth officer then said, he didn't want too, but he would order us to transport. Finally, our Sgt. over-ruled this asshole. The Sgt. told the youth guy, patrol is priority in this department and if he wanted to take this to another level, he(Sgt) would be happy to accommodate. The bottom line, youth guy drove the little jag-off home.
3/30/2015 10:03:00 AM<<<
So the Youth Officer has to drive YOUR juvie arrestee home BY HIMSELF somewhere in 011 I presume.
Sorry other units in Area Four you will have to wait to have your juvie processed. The Y.O. has to drive the 011th District's juvie back home.
Do you want to complain about one-man cars in 011?
All of us must remember, IAD people wanted that job and when they get tired of trick-bagging coppers; then we are supposed to trust an EX-IAD fuck. Oh, they can write paper, so what. The best paper people that become a supervisor are from violent crimes. Fuck the IAD.
Not being contrary to any of this conversation, when my assigned officers arrest a juv. and the Kiddy Det does show up in a reasonable time, we put him or her in a holding place. I check case report's and make sure all of the notifications are done. However, if it's more complicated, such as victims, witnesses and anyone else that has to be interviewed for felony charges, then my officers will wait for the Kiddy Det. They will assist in the investigation whenever possible. Misdemeanor type arrests that can be completed by the report, arrest report, and other paper work is a guide line I use to free up my officers. There is also consideration about over time situations etc... Under most situations, the Kiddy Det can complete his/her investigation and drive whoever he wants anywhere. If the Kiddy Det feels not safe going somewhere, I tell them to have a unit meet him on the scene. Patrol is priority and my officers need to be out on the street to back up other officers and for crime prevention. I've heard about every excuse the Kiddy Det's use, hell I was one myself. Times are a lot different now, manpower is a constant consideration and I will not leave other officers without some type of back up, period.
Youth Officers are a much kinder and gentler breed. They are the epitome of sensitivity when dealing with juveniles and their parents. It would be wise for patrol officers to lean this trait from an experienced youth specialist. In turn these skills would benefit the officer when dealing with the community and its leaders. By driving the youthful offenders relatives across the city it gives you time to know them and practice your sensitivity. The crime cars are the rough boys. Crime car toughness is renowned on this department and feared.
Stop it about the Y.O. already. It's a better job then being in the monkey suit in 11/15 and driving a mark squad. They do over compensate and try to be why to important, that's part of the problem.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not being contrary to any of this conversation, when my assigned officers arrest a juv. and the Kiddy Det doesn't show up in a reasonable time, we put him or her in a holding place. I check case report's and make sure all of the notifications are done. However, if it's more complicated, such as victims, witnesses and anyone else that has to be interviewed for felony charges, then my officers will wait for the Kiddy Det. They will assist in the investigation whenever possible. Misdemeanor type arrests that can be completed by the report, arrest report, and other paper work is a guide line I use to free up my officers. There is also consideration about over time situations etc... Under most situations, the Kiddy Det can complete his/her investigation and drive whoever he wants anywhere. If the Kiddy Det feels not safe going somewhere, I tell them to have a unit meet him on the scene. Patrol is priority and my officers need to be out on the street to back up other officers and for crime prevention. I've heard about every excuse the Kiddy Det's use, hell I was one myself. Times are a lot different now, manpower is a constant consideration and I will not leave other officers without some type of back up, period.
Sgt. Uncle Bob made grammar correction: not does, but doesn't. referring to the Y.O Thanks. P.S. going 15th Aug 2015 and leaving the state, good luck to all and try to be safe.
4/02/2015 01:04:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stop it about the Y.O. already. It's a better job then being in the monkey suit in 11/15 and driving a mark squad. They do over compensate and try to be way to important, that's part of the problem.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE !!!!
We are in uniform, marked vehicles, answering calls and a Y.O. is telling us about how hard he has it. Y.O. have to work on their attitude and stop being so pompous.
Wow, Sgt Bob retiring. He will be missed, but will always have a place at Bourbon st.
I remember Sgt. Bob, very good sup. This guy was a P.O. in 7,2,and 15. Y.O. and made Sgt. Wrote great paper and saved a bunch of us from the stupid police Capt.
retired a few years back. I see y.o. haven't changed much. there are a lot of arrogant assholes in that unit. that culture has not changed in respect to how they treat p.o.'s. without a p.o. getting all of the ducks in a row for the y.o.'s case preparation, they would be nothing. there's not much thinking involved in processing a youth. y.o. for the most part is copying info given to them by the p.o.
Has anyone noticed when heavy weapon training occurs, there is no Youth Officers being qualified.
3/31/2015 09:27:00 AM
Is this true and why ????
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