Uniform and Appearance Changes?
An e-mail from a reader:
- SCC,
Word from a friend that the Department is about to change a whole bunch of uniform specs:
They already outlawed the shorts thank god. Now, no more knit hats in winter or baseball caps in summer. It's the saucer or the Rocky-the-squirrel hats at all times.
Also, all exposed tattoos will be covered while on-duty, just like New York. McCarthy had to cover his and everyone knows the NYPD is the only way.
Word is also that the FOP was told to shut up about this and not to raise a fuss. If that's true, why do we have a Uniform and Equipment Committee at FOP sucking up money if they aren't even going to have a voice for this?
Anyone hear about this?
Labels: info for the police, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
298 Comments:
I say bullshit
Our union is worthless... How can they rewrite this crap? Speak up Dean, I haven't heard a peep from any of you since before the election! You will be voted out next time around...
Can one of you pencil pushing dweebs changing the orders please tell me the correlation between headwear and policing? Try and force someone to cover up existing tattoos and see what happens... Can you say class action lawsuit?!?
http://www.lawofficer.com/articles/2015/05/why-the-soft-uniform-is-dangerous.html
Liberals have won
Crown cap with cargo pants is ok? Works for me.
http://www.lawofficer.com/articles/2015/05/why-the-soft-uniform-is-dangerous.html
I am all for looking professional but our uniforms should also function.
Both true. The cap thing is coming down the pipe soon. But just so you guys know the city has to buy your old caps back since they forced you to buy them about three years ago when they became mandatory. As far as the tattoo thing you can all thank good ole Wayne Gulliford for that one. He hates tats. So everyone with sleeves and such will be wearing a fucking long sleeve in the summer. Thanks Wayne. 10-15 years ago when tattoos weren't as popular this could have gone down but now a ton of people have ink on their arms. It's fucking retarded. Anything inappropriate I get but the rest wtf. How about grandfathering people in. But I doubt that since it makes sense. Get ready for a hot summer baby!!!
I agree with these changes. it is a more professional appearance.
Half of the department looks like that hillbilly character Renko from Hill Street Blues, who always wore a baseball cap.
This is the only time in my career that I agree with, and say good for the department.
That's a great start!!!!! Supt. McCarty Please please change the following:
1). No more gym shoes.
2). No more cargo pants.
3). Your bullet proof vest should be worn under your uniform shirt. The vest covers and embroidered stars look like shit with the uniform.
4) no more dickies or mock tutle necks. Wear a tie with a long sleeve shirt. And a white T Shirt with the short sleeve shirt. Look like a professional police officer. Not a security guard.
Old school.
Uniform standards are created and maintained by the department. It's not contractual this fop has zero say in this matter. City rules the day when it comes to appearance and uniform. Sorry sleeve tattoos, enjoy wearing long sleeve shirts even in cd for the next 20 or so years
Well , the city gets to tell the FOP what to do because the FOP gets its money from the the cit.....wait a minute . ....wtf
Also hearing no more gear on your vest. Soon vest under shirt? Weird considering departments are become more tactical when it comes to uniforms
I am so fuckin tired of hearing that’s how New York does it, FUCK NEW YORK !!!!! The crown cap suxs , you have to worry about loosing it and taking time for your lost shield. The baseball cap is the best. Now talk a\bout having to cover any tattoos you have that’s bullshit, when I got my ink 4 years ago there was nothing that said you can’t have any exposed ink, I am very proud of my ink. This job is getting more and more Fucked up!!
Wtf. I don't have tats but I wear hats,if this is true and Fop does in fact lay down on it,we need to name names and make sure we remember those names at election time.
Uniform changes will solve everything. Violence will go down dramatically. No 4 year olds will get shot now that we can't wear hats. And everybody will start to like the cops now.
About fucking time. It's despicable how sloppy some of the clowns on this job look. And don't start with the I make a dope pinch a day sermon.
FOP = Fuck Over Police. They don't care. They have been sitting on their hands since the election. Worthless/useless losers.
The baseball and skull caps look like shit. Look like a bunch of children out there. Doesn't command respect.
Oh darn, you mean I can't wear a baseball cap backwards and look like a cool guy.
Yeah, unfortunately we've been hearing about this for the last few days. Whether you agree with the changes or not, only a fool would argue that this is good timing, right before the hot and heavy summer months.
Usually, the morons in charge come up with these changes when it is in the cold, winter season. I'm not convinced this is entirely on McJerseyJerk. It could very well be from some pathetic underling, looking to earn his or her grossly high paycheck. If that is the case, one would hope that that person is held accountable if the body count rises these coming months.
In typical moronic fashion, the department comes down with a daily standup inspection order. Most normal business owners would wait until after the changes are put forth, before going ahead with company policy. Not in this town. Now you got idiotic white shirts asking the blue shirts what they are allowed to wear because they themselves have no clue.
Get ready for the load of comments on this thread stating the ever intelligent, 'Duh, this is how we dressed when I got on the department....duh. We are going back to the old ways....duh.' Yeah okay. If you can go back to the old days of no in-car cameras, no cell phone cameras, no 24/7 anti-police media (like CNN), no T.R.R.s, and all the other perks from the era of thirty years ago, then I will staple that winter raccoon cap to my fucking head year round. Until that happens, shut the fuck up you delusional lemmings!
For the record, I think tattoos are unprofessional if visible. Also, the uniform situation has gotten out of control. However, to start pretending like everything is legit now, just shows how stupid the people in charge are. I guess they just want us looking are best for the next big police media scandal, which is bound to happen, in Chicago. At least I hope that is their way of thinking. Unless even they are so out of touch to actually believe that the mighty police crowns, will stop some shitbag from taking a shot at us.
So I have to cover up my tattoos that the department was ok hiring me with? BS. And here I thought tattoos weren't taboo anymore, quite the opposite they're pretty mainstream now. Fucking stupid. We'll see how this pans out.
In my opinion how about making a clean washed uniform mandatory. I want to puke every time I see crust growing on people's shirts and jackets. Blah!
it really doesn't sound unreasonable. ..
Miss Cleo here. Same guys who were given the "Top Cop" award last week in Washington D.C. are going to be awarded tomorrow, Tuesday, May 26th at the Hyatt. You're the cop! Fete your own! Quit your bitching and spend time hearing about the good in your community!
It's the new guys that fucked this all up. Bunch of hand jobs walking around the station w/ sleeves rolled up & hats on backwards.
While I'll probably get guff for this, oh well. Chicago uniforms probably look the worst in the state. There is no standard here. Everyone looks different, everyone does what they want. Some have outer carriers, some don't. Some are dark navy, others are blue. Some guys look like a SWAT unit with everything on molle. A lot of guys don't even wear their name tag, star, etc. Some guys, their uniform looks like they haven't put it under an iron in a decade. Many suburbs have standards and they look great. Look at ISP, those guys look fantastic. It looks horribly unprofessional when you see a CPD guy, looking like he crawled out of a garbage can, pulling onto a job. Have some respect. Look the part. It isn't difficult.
I do not advocate for the department but you have to take pride in your appearance..
Wouldn't Exposed tattoos be grandfathered in?...class action lawsuit anybody? What if your tattoos have religious significance?...religious discrimination ? I don't see it going over that easily without a fight. Make me wear a long sleeve shirt in 90 degree days, when I fallout due to heat exhaustion, is it an iod? Can I sue then? Give me a reason to sue these fucks!... My stress and mental anguish (for damage purposes) is already building...
Yea and like FOP doesn't hush up about everything. They couldn't find their asses with 2 hands and a flashlight.
OT
Waco MC shooting
Yes it was bad, but read this imagine the MSM giving such thorough accounts of a Chicago gang land shooting....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html
I hope this is true, especially the tattoos. They look like shit.
Keep your horrible life decisions concealed
Officers please hit the money box this Memorial day, help send a message.
Good. Tattoos look unprofessional and I've seen too many young kids wearing the bb hat backwards as if they were at the beach or something.
No more 80/20 pants, going to 75/25, No more baseball hat. No more cargo pants.
Will the Dept pay me back for all the stupid hats I had to buy over the years?
Those knit hats / baseball hats look ridiculous anyway. As long as they keep the cargos, love me some cargo pants!!
And how do you cover forearm tattoos in summer when you're required to wear a short sleeve shirt? And what about wrist / hand / finger / neck / face tattoos? How do you cover those?
Cops should wear fun hats with flowers on them or dress up like Disney characters. That would help stem the perception that you are all racist jerks, killing all the innocent honor students. I'm sure we will see a reduction in violent crimes. Because it's all cops doing the killing these days. Ridiculous. What's wrong with knit hats or ball caps? Chicago sucks.
Fuck New York! I never liked anything from that city or that shitty state! Mccarthy should take his dumb ass back to New York!
mcarthy and his long sleevees. What a stroke.
I hated those bike shorts & baseball caps and thought officers looked like thugs with all the exposed tattoos
Lap dogs.
And the beatings continue...........
stay tuned, same time, same bat channel!
You mean the "Uniforms" will all be same?
It's because of the CALEA certification we are trying to get. My question is if they have certain standards related to station security, there's no way we'll pass that because all of them are a terrorists wet dream with zero protection against attack.
good. All the different uniform combinations look unprofessional. Knit caps? A bunch of different outerwear options? Baseball caps?
Everyone should look the same. That's what uniform means. Dreads, beards, long fingernails...fix that shit too.
Does your appearance command respect?
I did see Cooter working the desk and he sort of resembled a mummy. Was not flashing his tattoos.
Tattoo covering I can agree with. No knit hats in the winter is simply stupid. Although the Elmer Fudd hat is warm, you're going to have to have your shield attached to it and that's a liability on the skreets and it also makes you look like Elmer Fudd.
I heard the new captain in 8 is all about this. He used to make the uniform orders up.
It's in draft form being staffed. If you have tats you will have to wear long sleeve winter and summer to cover them. The flesh colored sleeve cover-ups are banned. Neck tats have to be covered by flesh colored bandage. He don't like the baseball hats or the knit hats. Wants everyone in a round crown cap. After all, this is NYPD West, isn't it?
I heard that certain people downtown are over the molly vest as well.
stupid idea!can u say skin cancer and what about sun and eye issues for people who wear ball cap.winter it is cold out there !frostbite!!!GRIEVE IT!GRIEVE IT!GRIEVE IT!!
"If that's true, why do we have a Uniform and Equipment Committee at FOP sucking up money if they aren't even going to have a voice for this?"
Where can wives/hacks/boyfriends collect $50 a month to do nothing? An FOP Committee!
The simple answer - Yes. Thank goodness for all of it.
My co worker also said that the embroidered stars on the vests will be gone too.
Because Dean will just do what he is told ~ useless hand job
About time.
It's about time. Dont stop there. No more long fingernails and earrings. Enforce the hair standards.(facial included) And how about spending a little money on some new shirts and running the vest cover thru a washing machine.
my ears in a Chicago winter!!!!!!!!
No more Officers with carnival arms exposed. Like locking the barn door after the horse has escaped. About time that the Cline/Maurer soft uniform standards are done away with though.
Rocky J Squirrel hats are the warmest hats around
No Winter Hat
FLOP better Speak up
This is a safety issue
Next No Leather Jacket
If there making us wear the round caps, they should let new guys wear leather again
The winter "watch hat" looks like crap even though a lot of departments have them.
If the department wants to keep a "baseball style" hat go with a Marine-like squared off cap that looks more respectable.
Officers look like a bunch of kids with the current caps.
THANK GOD!
Enough already with the Abercrombie & Fitch Police. I saw a guy in uniform on a traffic stop with his curly billed baseball cap on backwards. Fucking douche.
And I don't want to hear any comments calling me a grandpa and to retire. You took this job. It comes with standards.
You don't like it? I hear Starbucks has great benefits.
There's plenty of working officers that don't look like idiots.
LOVE it, it's about time !!
No more sticks or leather too
10.5 hours coming
Anyone know if they are doing random testing on Weekends now -? Heard a "rumor" that they changed their schedule for testing and someone got called on. Saturday
Not having knit hats = less police shootings. I won't get out of the car in the winter
I am conflicted here. Some of the more "relaxed" uniforms seem to make sense but often don't look terribly professional. Would sharper uniforms command more respect in the streets? I don't know.
The sleeves are ridiculous, bunch of morons. Bathe hat news is dumb.
Sorry, as an old timer, i think this is a great move and long overdue. the Department does not have to ask the FOP uniform committee about anything if the department is paying for first issue or taking uniform pieces away. You get a uniform allowance, the department technically paid for what you purchased, it didn't come out of your pocket. And the tattoos are ridiculous, military doesn't allow it. With the distressed hats, arm sleeves and stocking caps on 60 degree days, we look bad. No, hair cuts. Time to look like a unified team instead of a bunch of individuals.
It's about time, many officers look like crap
We are NYDP!!!!!
Now get your crown caps on and get to your precinct on time for stand up roll call!!
This is how we do it in NY .... I mean Chiraq !
ssc ex military n a po I have no problem with this
I'm done, I'm out!
Meh. Don't wear a hat anyway. Messes up the gel.
Ok then make sure the dreadheads cut their hair to the appropriate length and remind all that wear any jewelry to pack it up. Some of these coppers look like the shitheads on the street and like the ghetto rappers from the 80's with their "bling".
Then allow those who purchased the knit and ball caps to either be grandfathered in or a full refund.
And all tact teams in mass transit are gonna work a 9 hr day. Hold on disregard never mind!!!
hats to be worn at all time like NYPD
How about NYPD West uniforms
Also heard this they were discussing it in a sgts meeting.
1.) The tats look like shit. Cover them up. It wasn't that long ago you had to cover them here. Some of these young guys look like they belong in the yard of a Cuban prison.
2.) The baseball hat, where to begin? IIRC, the baseball hat was a Phat Phil ploy to make the kids on his little league team like him. I never bought one. I'm a policeman, not a third baseman. The baseball hat has made our roll calls look like a casting call for "Pump Boys and Dinettes".
3.) The knit hat is another nod towards thug life. Esp. the non authorized ones with skulls on them.
I never, ever thought I'd agree with this regime about anything but I have to on this.
Look like a policeman.
I'm cool with most of these changes except hat issue. Knit hats keeps the noggin warm. Just keep emblem centered. The rocky-bull winkle hats are just too dorky. Same for summer caps - saucer for ceremonies/special details. Baseball cap WORN WITH BILL FACING FORWARD for every day use.
Just don't take away our cargo pants. I like the extra pockets for my hairgel while working VRI.
Not totally true. Current FOP aren't the most concerned about accurate anything much less information or taking care of their members....see it in writing
I'm indifferent one way or another, but will this be enforced? Probably not. They don't even enforce old, longstanding rules like grooming, shaving standards or long nails etc.
Ot:
How would membership start the recall process on a current FOP president?
wearin my knit till they tell me to stop WTF I luv my caps BiAtch
these will all keep me safe and looking good for da pubblic
Let's make up more nonsensical rules! Hey boss it's gotten to the point where no one cares! As usual anti-police sentiment all time high lets attack and change things not for betterment of officers but to sink moral lower!
How about instead of a pin at a awards ceremony how about rewarding copper with a week off you know code "49" style! That's "change we could believe in"
About time, look at every crime scene on the news .
Stocking cap, no hat , baseball cap on backwards , tie , notice, sweater , long sleeve shirt with sleeves rolled up dreadlocks, beards ,ponytails , faded cargo pants . Security guards and every suburban department looks more professional than Chicago police officers .
Worse than that are the supervisors on the scene look just as sloppy .
This is great as we look like a bunch of Fools with so many variations of the uniform.
I hope this will also address the haircut standards as well. No more long hair, dreads, beards, fluorescent colors and such. No exceptions to this rule should be allowed. Don't like the haircut standards, then quit. Wal-Mart and McDonald's is hiring.
I for one welcome the change back to the old way.
Short sleeve and crown cap for warm weather. Long sleeve, tie and crown cap for colder weather.
Have some pride in your appearance.
Col Hanibal Smith
I liked the shorts.
I'm so glad I'm almost done with this department. Baffle you with bullshit, while the important topics are danced around.
Why not worry about shorts, hats, and tattoos?
It's not like the department had any bigger issues that need to be tackled.....
Wait for GMac order that LTs and above get saluted by those under the rank of LT, just like NYPD.
And make us carry memo books
Good!
"Also, all exposed tattoos will be covered while on-duty, just like New York."
This isn't just NY. Many departments nation wide have this policy. Some departments won't even hire you if your tattoos go beyond your short sleeve.
OK Wonderful! Will the specifications change? You know the "Chicago way?" If so who gets the contract? How much will the over priced (with kickback built in), cost? Change away, not worried about taking care of police you know funding pension! Making hours more "family friendly!" Promoting the best and brightest! Nope not here, move along nothing to see here!
Good...
As a matter of fact, outlaw those silly "athletic shoes" and make hard bottom leather boondocker and trooper type boots required footwear... Yeah... They might actually require some polishing and buffing a couple times a week.
Hard bottom, high traction sole boondocker or trooper boots are the best for Police work anyway. Good for the random toe stomp and shin kick. (Follow up with an eye slap and you win! ;^)
Keep the cargo pants but in a tougher fabric with a little spandex and a reinforced crotch and zipper.
And for crying out loud, make it ok to blouse our pants during the winter season.
Oh wait... That would give The Police a non public servant "militaristic" appearance.
Are you shitting me Rocky the Racoon hats again? The stocking cap at least keeps your head warm.
Of course the people making these decisions are always warm in winter and cool in summer from the climate control office.
Grab a mitt and get in the game.
These guys can suck it!
Sounds like the FOP is ball less and has their tails tuck between their legs in essence, being emasculated. Has the FOP been wussified? Perhaps silenced wussies? The FOP must keep it real and raise the awareness citing these heavy handed changes are being mandated without a bi-partisan agreement between the membership and the stuperintendent. These changes are sobering
As a Lt said to me at JJ's, "There's nothing uniform about our uniform." Take a look around the roll call room--he's absolutely right. The best advice I ever got came from an angry 1st watch Captain who said to me, "act like you know what you're doin, would ya?" I think you should also look like you know what you're doing--look professional and they'll believe anything you tell them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Both true. The cap thing is coming down the pipe soon. But just so you guys know the city has to buy your old caps back since they forced you to buy them about three years ago when they became mandatory. As far as the tattoo thing you can all thank good ole Wayne Gulliford for that one. He hates tats. So everyone with sleeves and such will be wearing a fucking long sleeve in the summer. Thanks Wayne. 10-15 years ago when tattoos weren't as popular this could have gone down but now a ton of people have ink on their arms. It's fucking retarded. Anything inappropriate I get but the rest wtf. How about grandfathering people in. But I doubt that since it makes sense. Get ready for a hot summer baby!!!
5/25/2015 12:53:00 AM
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The city won't have to buy shit back!
The baseball caps were not mandatory but we're an OPTION, as were the cargo pants and also the shorts. Did those who bought shorts get reimbursed? I didn't think so!
Grandfathering in tattoos??
How about grandfathering in those who came on and were promoted with a high school diploma but now can't test anymore because the city changed the rules in the middle of the game and don't have a four year degree?
Or those of us who had free health care when we came on?
As for the tattoos, I could care less. I have none, but to each his own.
seems like the uniform standards and appearance went to hell over the past few years....round cap?...useless; covering the tats?..other departments (NY, Las Vegas maybe?) have the same rule....proud of the ink? then get another job, or cover it....gym shoes? look ridiculous...the dept. should get a more professional look, and that goes for hair standards, fingernail polish, etc.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's a great start!!!!! Supt. McCarty Please please change the following:
1). No more gym shoes.
2). No more cargo pants.
3). Your bullet proof vest should be worn under your uniform shirt. The vest covers and embroidered stars look like shit with the uniform.
4) no more dickies or mock tutle necks. Wear a tie with a long sleeve shirt. And a white T Shirt with the short sleeve shirt. Look like a professional police officer. Not a security guard.
Old school.
5/25/2015 01:27:00 AM
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Typical dinosaur doesn't like change... GFY and retire already, this isn't the department of the 60's or 70's anymore.
If baseball hats are gone then cargo pants are gone. The baseball hat only can be worn with cargo pants. Can't wear crown cap with cargos.
Tattoo standards have been adopted by most departments nationwide. Been upheld in the courts. Invest in sleeves, makeup, or band aids. First off, you're an idiot to get visible tattoos. Second, the look unprofessional in uniform. I'm in agreement about getting rid of the shorts. Get 1 uniform and hold guys to it.
Eat my shorts
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Something to think about! Chris Kyle Navy SEAL American Sniper saved how many soldiers lives? How many police officers gunned down? But yet the White House sends no representatives there, but yet sends so many to funerals for thugs who are shot after attacking police!
True
I can wear anything the department wants while standing down this summer. Now give me an event number for violence zone 6,035 and put a lunch ticket behind it.
Perhaps the only outerwear you can have is the blouse or the reefer.....
That's a great start!!!!! Supt. McCarty Please please change the following:
1). No more gym shoes.
2). No more cargo pants.
3). Your bullet proof vest should be worn under your uniform shirt. The vest covers and embroidered stars look like shit with the uniform.
4) no more dickies or mock tutle necks. Wear a tie with a long sleeve shirt. And a white T Shirt with the short sleeve shirt. Look like a professional police officer. Not a security guard.
Old school.
Quit living in the past. This is a new kind of animal out there now. Do you wanna be running with a crown cap on or the fight of your life worrying about losing your shield? You're an idiot.
And while you're at it, how about banning the blue tooth? That looks horrible. Like Star Wars.
Hey old school 1:27am. You old enough to retire? You sound like a wagon guy or a house mouse,I would agree if your sloppy you get written up,but when your the working police comfort is important,look at bullshit we deal with everyday,esp. When it's hot and you work a busy district.Putting stuff on my vest,not Mollie,helps my back,and my cargo pants side pockets are an asset to me and I wear my tie for st Jude ,a dickie will do otherwise,we have a few slobs on this job that clearly don't own a mirror,they should be written up.
The changes are a very good thing regardless of the NYPD connection or not. They should add the vest issue as well. I carried less gear in Afghanistan then some carry on this job. WE as a department look like shit. The most unprofessional looking department in the country. Our appearance doesn't command respect, and if you think that that fact doesn't matter, then your ignorant. I recently was embarrassed to be in a South Loop restaurant where a "tact team" was eating. Pony tail, beards, sloppy half untucked shirts etc. unbelievable. Not to mention they sat lounging around in a jammed packed place while customers were waiting for a table. We are pathetic.
They should also put tac teams back in uniform. Permanately. They're not sneaking up on anyone and there is no benefit being in C/D. Of course they won't be able to wear the backwards baseball cap and look cool, but there are even idiots in full uniform wearing the uniform bb cap backwards as well. We look like shit all the way around!
#1 Cargo Pants
#2 Outside shirt vest carrier
#3 Striker fired pistols
#4 M4 Program.
#5 Tasers
#6 Knit hats
The best changes/additions we've had in last 20 years in no particular order.
"Also, all exposed tattoos will be covered while on-duty, just like New York."
This isn't just NY. Many departments nation wide have this policy. Some departments won't even hire you if your tattoos go beyond your short sleeve.
5/25/2015 12:01:00 PM
So grandfather us in and make the rule for new hires. You hired me with my sleeves. Laaaaaaaw suit!!!!
I always wear my wool pants. I feel like Ace Ventura.
Stop your bitching. This is long overdue and the dept needs to crack the whip on this! We look like shit. Sloppiest in the country. Hats, tats, and don't forget these out of control f'n molle vest covers! Out of control. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. You are - well some are - the Chicago Police. Have some self respect already! Oh and if anyone calls the city "Chiraq", they should be slapped! No comparison. Grow up already.
Can officers in N.Y. use time due?
The reason copers look like they crawled out of a dumpster is because the squad is a dumpster.
So because I got a tattoo on my forearm that represents my fallen friend who got sniped in the neck days before Christmas on a security patrol in Iraq a decade ago and died right next to me, now I have to wear long sleeves? Fuck you. And all you non military tattoo hating fucks. I do NOT look like shit in this uniform. I look fucking fabulous. I have tattoos, wear the Molle vest cover with star patch so shitheads don't steal my star. I wear cargo pants because they give you 2 extra pockets, for you non working police out there. I wear the baseball cap. And I think I look pretty damn good, along with most of the rest of my district. I shave, cut my hair short, and do my job. If my bosses say to cover my tats I will, but there's going to be some pissed off Marines and Grunts and all sorts of others out there. Especially come July/August.
Ok, let the department make all these changes, but let's make sure they are practical changes. Our uniforms need to evolved over time, just as the military gear/uniforms have evolved with technology and better fabrics. This is not the police dept of the 70's, sorry old timers, but need to move on from the way things used to be.
15yrs on CPD and 24yrs in military and the one thing I leaned is how to adapt with change, because change is inevitable.
I am all for uniformity, it does make us look more professional. If the dept wants us to wear a certain uniform, then it is about time the dept issues us our uniform just like CFD, ISP and suburbs so that way we are all the same.
By the way CFD gets uniforms issued and still gets uniform allowance.
Can I continue to wear my shoulder holster? My mom tells me that I look sexy with it on.
Thank goodness. I look at old Tribune photos of the police with their crown cap on and I see how professional looking this department once was. Then I see these new guys with that stupid baseball cap, hanging on the corner with their hands hanging from their vest looking like a bunch of frat boys headed to the bleachers at Wrigley. Bring some respect back to our uniform. Dress like a punk on your time.
100% wool shirt and pants. That should do the trick.
How about shaving? Hands in pockets and talking on cell phones. Wasn't that long ago you could not carry a phone on duty.
This partially has to do with the potus speach the other day, he said police department uniforms should have softer more approachable look.
Secondly, we ruined it by wearing baseball hats backwards and no one said anything. Same with the knit winter hat. And the gym shoes: they give us specifications on that but no follows it and no supervisors enforce the uniform standard. So I'm sure that will be the next to go. The sleeve tattoos are going to look awesome on you when your 80 and look like a prune. The military is no longer allowing exposed tattoos, so the department is following suit. If everyone starts wearing the currently approved uniform correctly maybe we won't lose anything else. And for god sakes supervisors, start doing your fucking jobs. You wanted to be a supervisor! You don't have to write everyone
up but when you see a infraction say something, don't just ignore it.
I warmly welcome the changes. We look like shit.
Maybe when can get the Det. Div. involved as well. Polo shirts with ties, white socks, hooded sweatshirt with dress clothes.
And last but not least,can we get rid of the George Michael beards! Who would've ever thought MEN would want to look like that cupcake.
Tattoos??? All the biker/hipster on this job have burnt that bridge!
Next is the crazy ass beards another bridge burnt!
In my ghetto district the boss is happy to see you and does not care what cap you are wearing in the streets.
I also don't call back on my cell phone to my SGT! Hate bosses thinking they can text me orders.
Why the change ???
who cares 10 hour days mean only 1 day medical!
5th district to scared to pull trigger then why should FLOP carry their water.
Man up boys and girl or RAHM will bury you.
I agree with losing the shorts. Too many people showing off their ham hocks or white, spindly legs. Unless you are a bike cop assigned to the lakefront, you shouldn't be wearing shorts.That said, I like the cargo pants. Good place to store rubber gloves, hand sanitizer, cell phone, etc.
for the oldies that have a problem with everything and have the delusion that this department need to be professional and conformed--retire already, you got 30 years on, enjoy your retirement. its the guys and girls who your talking about who are having to wear body cameras and under scrutiny by the hated public for the bull crap that was gotten away with in the 70s and 80s, before we were born. Thank you for your service but take your 1950's old time standards with you. Now we have to pay for it. Trust me, the shit we do is NOTHING compared to the Convention stuff that went down. Sure there was a ton of stand up honest cops, but there were the thieves, coke heads, falling down alcoholics, and serial heavy-handers on every call. And you have the audacity to speak about some baseball cap or a 1-inch tattoo on my arm? Oh, did i make you upset? Gonna call me a "hair gell"?! Time to retire, you got 30 years on, move to Arizona or Florida and live a little, enjoy the pension that we won't have! And leave our innocent baseball hats and tattoos alone, since it offends you sooooo much. The stuff you guys got away with back then, we now get fired and prosecuted today. Its CPD, gimme a break, not the Marines for G-sake.
Thats great now i can sell the ball caps at the flea market without the police thinking it is official uniform!
2 sgts and 20 POs just dropped to froms and quit tact in 007. New lieutenant Eric Olsen is that big of an asshole
Reno 911...Just go out in your gunbelt and BVD's...
That being said, It was always hard to watch a fat copper with a too tight black vest and wearing short pants and a sh$%ty baseball hat.
The city won't have to buy shit back!
The baseball caps were not mandatory but we're an OPTION, as were the cargo pants and also the shorts. Did those who bought shorts get reimbursed? I didn't think so!
Grandfathering in tattoos??
How about grandfathering in those who came on and were promoted with a high school diploma but now can't test anymore because the city changed the rules in the middle of the game and don't have a four year degree?
Or those of us who had free health care when we came on?
As for the tattoos, I could care less. I have none, but to each his own.
Research and development just did an audit to see how many caps they would have to buy back. Some were forced to buy them. It came out to just around 20g. Relax big guy.
I for one don't like showing up to work dressed like I'm going to invade France. Anyone who says they don't like cargos is full of shit and just trolling for a argument.
The athletic shoes, outside vest covers and optional wearing a hat goes back around 20 years now. I have leather walking shoes and they are the most comfortable shoes I own. Of course, I remember the Saucony athletic shoes that were the only authorized option back then. The shoes I wear look similar to those. I could wear regular shoes, I'd miss the gym shoes, but oh well.
The outside vest cover looks like shit, but I get hot even with that. I don't know what the hell would happen with the vest under the shirt in summer.
Personally, I like the patch star. I don't have to worry about losing my star, it's in my wallet.
How the hell do you get all that gear on your belt? My hips are killing me as it is. I was at the chiropractor getting a deep tissue massage and the woman said that I must have x (she was very close) number of years on the job, I asked her if she read the rings on the tree trunk and she said no, I can tell by how out of whack everything is.
If CPD is serious about seeking the worthless CALEA accreditation they better get working, storage free sallyports which lead directly to the lock up. "Kill a tree for CALEA."
Hey FOP, what's going on? And what are you doing about it? Silence is not golden, Deano.
The baseball and skull caps look like shit. Look like a bunch of children out there. Doesn't command respect.
5/25/2015 03:06:00 AM
The Rocky the Flying Squirrel hat does command respect??
Give me a break.
This is just Napolean and McNutty's way of fucking with the troops.
I actually say it's about time. The guys with Tats who roll up their sleeves look like biker thugs and unprofessional. If people want to wear a baseball hat,they can work for Digbys with the other mopes. It's time to tighten our specs with basic uniform standards. The cargo pants are actually functional should be grandfathered in.
I have been the police elsewhere and uniforms were highly regulated and everyone looked professional for the most part. CPD has gotten away with looking like slobs dragged through the mud for too long.
I welcome strict uniform regulations.
Sure all the ones dissing the baseball hat were always picked last or never played baseball in their lives
I support ALL of these changes.
The department can change uniform rules and regulations any time they want without union's approval. The department gives us several uniform allowance checks each year to cover the cost of having to constantly purchase new uniforms so that you are in compliance with the rules that will always change throughout your 20+ year career.
It used to be that the uniform was impractical and uncomfortable, so the department made numerous changes to accommodate. Sadly, the members took these changes a bit too far and it got out of hand with many adding their own fashion twist.
The biggest problem is that no supervisors enforce the uniform rules and regulations. The problem is not that the officer is wearing a baseball cap and cargo pants and gym shoes. The real problem is that the baseball cap is dirty and on backwards, and the cargo pants are dirty, holes, too big or too tight, ripped dragging hem, and filthy smelly worn gym shoes.
Furthermore, supervisors should call officers out with the long nails, nail polish, earrings, jewelry, dread locks, beards, long hair, goofy childish sunglasses, and those with bad offensive hygiene.
To me, this is where the real problem lies. Too many officers are on the job just to get a free college education and not because they want nor respect being the police. And too many bosses are on the job because they are merit political hacks who have power egos.
Will the Dept pay me back for all the stupid hats I had to buy over the years?
5/25/2015 07:01:00 AM
You didn't have to buy shit. It was all optional.
Anonymous said...
I agree with these changes. it is a more professional appearance.
5/25/2015 12:58:00 AM
You want professional they pay into my pension!
Otherwise FUCK OFF! KMA!
(OT) Just found this on a true patriots page Ted Nugent!
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Ted Nugent is a Vietnam era draft dodging piece of shit. Look it up, in the past he has bragged about acting the nut role (purposely shitting his pants before the physical) when it was time for HIM to step up. For him to now take a public position of supporting the troops rings hollow. Big time patriot my balls. Plus he can't sing for shit.
Fuck him, and Jane Fonda too.
To all of you complaining, we have ruined it for ourselves. Baseballs caps worn backwards, gym shoes that you bought at Skechers outlet with sripes/designs on the soles or heels, tattoos that look like the gangbangers we are locking up. We look like a rag tag outfit of misfits. This bs of the "entitled generation" has reared its ugly head throughout our department. As big a jagoff as I think McDumbo is and as much as he has screwed up this department, I back him on this one. And I hope the inspectors hit em hard and heavy. It is high time to stop the inmates from running the prison. It is high time we begin to get back to being a "Professional" department.
I think whoever suggested uniforms like Disney characters may be the perfect thing. Something from Robin Hood and his merrymen. Well, merry people, sorry gals. It would for sure go a long way to reduce that paramilitary perception that has the thug community in an uproar. On a peculiar note, closing in on ten shot to death since Friday and not a word. Not one peep from any of the politicians, race hustlers or federal officals. Prima faci proof that black lives do not really matter. It is the racisim in the community that matters. And I decided a couple of years ago I do not care one iota. 16 yr olds, 7 yr olds last week or 4yr olds a couple of days ago. It no longer matters.
A casino in Chicago will makes money. Lots of money. 700 million a year money. How much of that will make it into the pension fund, I don't know. But don't let anyone tell you iot won't make money.
I heard they are approving skinny jeans for the weekends.
All this beefin' about the uniform! I think you would be better suited to complain about the Politicians who want to steal your Pension!
"Quit living in the past. This is a new kind of animal out there now. Do you wanna be running with a crown cap on or the fight of your life worrying about losing your shield? You're an idiot."
Who in the hell is worried about running with the crown cap on? And do you actually think anybody is worried about losing a shield while in a "fight of your life"
You're the idiot and an example of the imbeciles rampant in this department. You're going to be a great boss one day.
WTF!
That's a great start!!!!! Supt. McCarty Please please change the following:
1). No more gym shoes.
2). No more cargo pants.
3). Your bullet proof vest should be worn under your uniform shirt. The vest covers and embroidered stars look like shit with the uniform.
4) no more dickies or mock tutle necks. Wear a tie with a long sleeve shirt. And a white T Shirt with the short sleeve shirt. Look like a professional police officer. Not a security guard.
Old school.
Quit living in the past. This is a new kind of animal out there now. Do you wanna be running with a crown cap on or the fight of your life worrying about losing your shield? You're an idiot.
There's a new animal out there? Look here you hair gel little bitch. Don't ever think that the animal you deal with is more dangerous. You just pissed me off you dick head. I came on in 1985. Look at the stats of officers shot and people killed from 1985 to 2007 when your little Nintendo ass came on. I wear my uniform with pride and dealt with more savages then you ever have. Battle of Cermak. What a fucking joke. Shut your dick garage up and dress like a police officer. Good for you McCarthy. Get rid of the stupid vests with all the molle bullshit. You dudes are security guards not police officers.
What a joke. Old-timers shouldn't even speak on this matter with their 20 year old faded shirts, clarinos with dry rot in the sole, and their leather holster hanging on by a thread. Haggard old timers.
Here are the changes that are coming:
1) No more blue tooth in ear
2) No more long painted nails.
3) No more gym shoes
4) Vests will be worn under your uniform shirt
5) No more earrings for men.
6) No more tattoos showing. Must wear long sleeve shirt
7) No more embroidered stars or vest covers
8) No more cargo pants
9) No more baseball caps.
10) No more nylon gear but wear the leather gear.
11) No more mock tutle necks. Must wear a tie with the long shirt.
It's about time!!! Good for the dept. We look like ass clowns.
Bout time, this newbies look ridiculous with their hat on backwards and shorts. What are ya? 12?
Bus drivers and Train conductors take more pride in their uniform then we do. That's a fact. New York and LAPD look much sharper then we do. Send some inspectors to court and they will have a field day. Terrible sloppy police officers we have become. I agree with the Supt!!!
Typical dinosaur doesn't like change... GFY and retire already, this isn't the department of the 60's or 70's anymore.
5/25/2015 01:04:00 PM
Typical new kid that is going to get him or his partner seriously hurt one of these days.
Tattoo standards have been adopted by most departments nationwide. Been upheld in the courts. Invest in sleeves, makeup, or band aids. First off, you're an idiot to get visible tattoos. Second, the look unprofessional in uniform. I'm in agreement about getting rid of the shorts. Get 1 uniform and hold guys to it.
They cant have 1 uniform you idiot. Different types and ranks of police call for different appearances. And most of us with forearm tattoos didn't think about CPD uniform standards when we got them in memory of the tours we sucked up in Iraq and Afghanistan while you were suckin down Al's Beef complaining about the last piddly little issue the dept had. What looks professional is a matter of opinion. USMC Devil Dog on a forearm looks pretty damn professional to me and gets my respect any day.
NO exposed tats is legit
Some guys will be wrapped up like a damn mummy...fucking idiots with tats up to their ears...come on 90's
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's a great start!!!!! Supt. McCarty Please please change the following:
1). No more gym shoes.
2). No more cargo pants.
3). Your bullet proof vest should be worn under your uniform shirt. The vest covers and embroidered stars look like shit with the uniform.
4) no more dickies or mock tutle necks. Wear a tie with a long sleeve shirt. And a white T Shirt with the short sleeve shirt. Look like a professional police officer. Not a security guard.
Old school.
Quit living in the past. This is a new kind of animal out there now. Do you wanna be running with a crown cap on or the fight of your life worrying about losing your shield? You're an idiot.
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You don't always have to wear your hat and if your chasing someone you shouldn't be wearing it. Get rid of some of that crap you have on your belt and that you shove into your vest pockets. I've been on this job over 25 years and its amazing how I'm still able to catch people. If you think this is a new animal you have a lot to learn. A rose by any other name still smells the same.
NYPD here. Absolutely no one covers tattoos in uniform.
"Quit living in the past. This is a new kind of animal out there now. Do you wanna be running with a crown cap on or the fight of your life worrying about losing your shield? You're an idiot"
Couldn't have said it any better myself!!! Crown Caps are for idiots who don't do any police work. I work, run, and fight with idiots unlike the do nothings. I can understand the tattoo's for those in uniform. That was the rules when I started. I didn't know it ever changed. I thought it just wasn't enforced anymore. How about going after the real problems like painted long nails, dreads, and jewelry??????????? How about making officers in uniform where a uniform belt?????
1. I have no problem with Cargo Pants or Baseball Caps, or stocking caps. If your working like your supposed to be you don't want to worry about losing something and taking a day. I started when we only had crown caps. Its stayed in the trunk the entire tour where it belonged.
2. I have no problem with the dickie. Safter than a tie anyday of the week. Looks like your a worker not a social worker.
3. Shoes, this will never pass. U can get a note from your doctor saying you can't wear leather shoes as they are to hard. Make sure everybody has all black shoes!!!!!!! The keyword ALL BLACK!!!!
4. Vest Covers, Most officers have never worn their vest on the inside since the academy. The uniform stores would shit a brick on this one.
I heard one poster say this is about some accreditation the department is trying to get. I know for a fact CPD is spending a ton of money on something like this. Thanks no money for pensions but money for something we don't need!! Yeah that sounds just like a Shitcago!!!
NYPD Loses a hat shield and no time taken
By all means our department needs an overhaul. Unfortunately there is no way to actually correct the serious issues of morbidly obese officers or exceptionally small officers or smokers or lazy dog ass slobs that look and act like shit.
As for the uniforms, it is as simple as keeping things clean and serviceable. All you Garrison commandos that want to look pretty with clarino shoes or 80/20 pants can go pound sand. That stuff is for office use only. If you want to do police work out on the street than you need some function and it helps to have footwear that fits your needs be it boots or gym shoes. The uniform baseball hat is a poor design but it is still a much more functional and ideal hat for street duty use. The embroidered star/name tag items have been some of the best and most convenient uniform items added in a long time.
Yes the facial hair, earrings, excessive make-up, finger nails, pony tails, dreadlocks and all that bullshit need to be addressed.
Tattoos that have no offensive artwork should be left the fuck alone.
So all you guys new or old that are so worried about your looks, get over it. You should just look professional no matter what options you wear.
WASH YOUR UNIFORMS. Especially that damn outer vest carriers. Replace stuff that is worn or unsafe.
Those are the real concerns.
Good. Long overdue. CPD wears the most non-uniform uniforms in Law Enforcement around. Completely stupid looking. Dumb black vest covers worn on outside, pink cuffs dangling from Gunbelts, beards, tattoos, earrings, "Leave it to Beaver Ball Caps, etc. Look like a buncha rejects from a "Police Academy " Movie with Hightower and Tacklberry. Lose weight too, you puffballs. Try to look like uniformed, real Cops. It's not some movie, and it's not about you, or your urge for individualism. Don't like Uniform Standards? Boo-Hoo, go work elsewhere.
Fop hasn't done shit, and they're not gonna do shit any more. We were bamboozeld and dean is just gonna agree to everything. Just look at his latest, 15% on time due. With furlo extensions included, no one is getting time. But that's why the contract was voted in so that changes can happen not set in stone and without a hitch. Aren't you glad you voted in that 10 hr day that's coming up in Jan.
Second, the look unprofessional in uniform. I'm in agreement about getting rid of the shorts. Get 1 uniform and hold guys to it.
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Concur !! The street copper' look like sanatation workers picking up trash. Long coming, remember Phil in his BB cap, 50 plus year man looking like a clown at Wisc. Dells water show.
How will the bald headed strokes survive? Sunburn in summer. Frostbite in winter.
Those complaining about tattoos. A little hint. Take the money you would spend on that nonsense and put it into an IRA. Might not be stylish but would probably make more sense .
An ancient Chicago Police Captain gave me this advice 35 years ago. Keep your pants creased, your shoes shined and always wear your hat. That way, even if you're an idiot, as long as you keep your mouth shut no one will know.
While we're add it can we remove the taxi checkered bands? Let's get rid of the carriers even though studies have proven that the full weight on our belts are bad for our backs but who cares. Why don't we go to wearing the shiny shoes as well??
I got a guy with a tattoo removal laser. Police discounts. Hurts like a mofo though.
Anonymous said...
Anyone know if they are doing random testing on Weekends now -? Heard a "rumor" that they changed their schedule for testing and someone got called on. Saturday
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This is true. The piss testers were talking about it last week when I was in for a pop quiz. They will be there, working, on Saturdays.
I guess I'll look good as I'm working 99 on 3rd watch with 4-6 cars down.
I'm so glad this is finally happening. I've seen the homeless dress better than a lot of you slobs.
Anonymous said...
If baseball hats are gone then cargo pants are gone. The baseball hat only can be worn with cargo pants. Can't wear crown cap with cargos.
5/25/2015 01:05:00 PM<<<
Does this apply to bicycle patrol?
No shorts? Take off the helmet then what?
Fatigue uniform for some jobs like Marine Unit, Bomb Unit, Helicopter, Arson. Seriously a round crown cap.
What I'd like to get rid of is the white supervisors' shirts. But I'd rathr they put the money in the pensions.
YeH how about cover yoyr braids and dreads locks and wigs especially those that work at Headquarters it looks like like a freaken Jamican nightclub just let out the club!!!
Can we please throw in those detectives or special units that go to court looking like gangster!
Coppers will be using uniform allowance to buy duct tape in order to cover up tats..
Old school.
Quit living in the past. This is a new kind of animal out there now. Do you wanna be running with a crown cap on or the fight of your life worrying about losing your shield? You're an idiot.
5/25/2015 01:33:00 PM
Somehow the old school "idiots" managed to keep pisons and graveyards full, even with those antique revolvers. I recall two officers who both killed their share of bad people who carried a S&W .41 magnum and a S&W .44 magnum. Revolvers. When the hit hits the fan no one worries about hat shields, believe me.
hey I'm already taking some days so what the fuck do I care if I take a few more. I'll wear or not wear whatever the fuck I want!
I 100% agree with the tattoo crap. It looks terrible and appearance means everything.
Late 80's there was an officer in 017 dist who had full arm tats, biker guy, always wore long sleeves, even in summer.
Recall for a moment the reason for today being a holiday. Memorial Day. I am old enough to fondly recall when it was always on May 30, the hell with three day weekends. It is for our soldiers, sailors, Marines and Airmen who gave everything that we can burn chicken on a grill today.
Thanks Uncle Ed for marching across Europe with Gen Patton's army and for getting disabled by a German IED (called booby trap then) in Belgium and for spending over 2 years in an Army hospital.
And thanks to that tall gangly 20 year old kid I knew in high school who enlisted in the army in 1968 and never came home:
John Perry Deihl
Specialist Four
B CO, 34TH ENG BN, 79TH ENG GROUP, 20TH ENG BDE,
USARV ENG CMD, USARV
Army of the United States
Chicago, Illinois
April 23, 1948 to November 21, 1968
Binh Duong Province, South Vietnam
1.) The tats look like shit. Cover them up. It wasn't that long ago you had to cover them here. Some of these young guys look like they belong in the yard of a Cuban prison.
2.) The baseball hat, where to begin? IIRC, the baseball hat was a Phat Phil ploy to make the kids on his little league team like him. I never bought one. I'm a policeman, not a third baseman. The baseball hat has made our roll calls look like a casting call for "Pump Boys and Dinettes".
3.) The knit hat is another nod towards thug life. Esp. the non authorized ones with skulls on them.
I never, ever thought I'd agree with this regime about anything but I have to on this.
Look like a policeman.
5/25/2015 10:43:00 AM
I have some time on the job and can tell you for certain that back in crown cap days working in a fast district coppers would lose an average of four stars a month.Coppers would jump fences or fight a shithead and guess what you back track and that shiny tin is gone.Lord knows how many old stars are floating around gotta say the patches cut those things down along with losing your shield if you jumped out of the squad in a foot chase in the projects.You old timers don't do much but I hope some shithead doesn't stop your family member with a stolen star.Everyone with 15+ has helped a copper look for a star after a foot chase don't deny it.Nowadays you hardly hear about that.
I agree with a previous poster who commented that there is a new animal out there. We are a terror target, increasing numbers of mass shootings, and increased hatred/violence against law enforcement. There should be more of an emphasis on officer safety and tactical training. Carrying extra magazines, pressure bandages, tourniquets, should be bigger priorities than dress pants and crown caps. Let your professionalism show when you speak to the public and how you conduct yourself as a person.
Anonymous said...
It's the new guys that fucked this all up. Bunch of hand jobs walking around the station w/ sleeves rolled up & hats on backwards.
5/25/2015 05:18:00 AM
How does that work? You all allow new guys to walk around however they want to, looking like crap, and don't say anything...and it's their fault that it seems acceptable to them?
Who cares! Coppers with tats look like unprofessional idiots! Wearing a sleeve will be a big improvement!! You don't like it, get them removed!!
No more sticks or leather too
10.5 hours coming
5/25/2015 09:09:00 AM
PPOS already can't wear leather
As a Lt said to me at JJ's, "There's nothing uniform about our uniform." Take a look around the roll call room--he's absolutely right. The best advice I ever got came from an angry 1st watch Captain who said to me, "act like you know what you're doin, would ya?" I think you should also look like you know what you're doing--look professional and they'll believe anything you tell them.
Correct. Also let's hold Dets to a dress code too. Shirt. Tie. Suit jacket with matching pants. Go to men's warehouse buy 3 suits - and an array of ties and shirts. Most of those guys are wearing cheap ass dockers and generic shirts. Dress w success. These guys look like crap too
OK if we are going to change to obtain CALEA certification, then are they going to change more than just the uniform standards??? How about getting rid of merit and stop promoting those solely based on sex, race, political affiliation, connection to an alderman, exempt or reverend. Also stop allowing "subject matter experts" from giving answers to their family and friends so it appears one is promoted by test score. And while we're talking about appearance...do something about the grossly overweight,out of shape fat asses too
"And while you're at it, how about banning the blue tooth? That looks horrible. Like Star Wars."
Funny and true.
I remember Dana Starks wearing that "blue toof." He looked like a moron.
"In fact, let me repeat myself........He looked like a moron".
The crown hat is already approved for wear with cargo pants. Along with the base ball hat
Unless a new order regarding the hat's came recently take a look at the most recent order which was issued late last year in the department directives system. It clearly states that the baseball cap can still be worn with the proper field uniform and the only change regarding the crown cap is that it now can be worn with any of the uniforms. The order Also states that as of june 1st having a hat is required and that the summer exemption regarding hat use is no longer optional but is mandatory.
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