Lieutenant Exam Problem?
Typical city exam - lawsuit!
- All the newer Sgt's with their year in grade are just waiting till the new Lt Exam is taken on 06 June to file a grivance and start a class action lawsuit because they were denied the right to take the Lt Exam.
Several groups of Sgts that reached their year in grade in May & June 1st of this year 2015 will be denied their chance to take the exam. The city stated the only requirement to take the test is 1 year in grade. Now that they have their year in grade but are still denied their right to take the exam they can grieve with the city.
I am part of the May 2014 class of sgt's. I am all ready for the legal challenge. I know the next LT Exam will not happen again till 2023. Get ready for a legal fight. I will not sit back quietly and let the city run over me. I have my year in grade, I should be able to take the exam on June 6th.
Call the union boys & girls or you will miss out on the only Lt Exam many of us will ever see!!!!
If the city forgot/neglected to put in language that closed this loophole, this is pretty much a slam dunk. The FOP got an entire Detectives Exam cancelled once because someone downtown forgot this exact same restriction, so past precedent is on the side of the newly promoted. Given the 8-to-10 year gap in exams of late, a judge might be even more inclined to give every eligible person a chance.
Labels: promotions, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:11 AM
63 Comments:
Just what the Dept. needs, more incompetent LT.s culled from the ranks of Incompetent Sgts.
This city sure knows how to crap on its employees.
Force the test. Get promoted. Good Luck.
Not true nice try. 2 years in grade like it's always been. Wait your turn like everyone else did.
A whole year in grade? What the hell? So, with fortuitous timing, you could go from p.o. to lt in seven years? BRILLIANT. What could go wrong?
I thought their promo date is June 15, 2014?
More workings of the "cloutocracy" in action.
Shouldn't something like this be reviewed and investigated by the Attorney General?
What about other odd (shady) government practices and operations?
No there are more "critical" issues to look at like defective baby carriages. Fighting corruption doesn't seem to be a high priority. Make that - not even on the list of things to, in this state.
Next case.
I came on it 1978 and didn't take the Sergeants exam given in 1979.
BIG MISTAKE! Didn't think it would be eight years until another exam was given and that process would take three and a half years.
Still, I retired with a silver bar on my collar and never got a so-called "Merit Promotion."
Glad I didnt waste tume studying. What a joke.
"Only requirement to take exam is 1 year in grade." Can you please specifically cite where the city stated this????
I need study time too....lol
The rise up the ladder is nothing but who you know. Look at all the fools today that wear a white shirt. If this was the military its a lost cause in the making.
February 2014 Sgts class is affected as well.
"...I am part of the May 2014 class of Sergeants..."
Still a rookie.
The test requirememts are TWO years in grade not one. Look up the requirements at the time of application it was TWO years not one. Cry babies. There are people taking the test now that missed the last test by months and waited 8 years. You can wait too. The current generation of do nothing coppers like the last Sgt's class with six and seven year wonders from northside districts directing officers with two and three times their experience is a joke. Imagine a Lt. with 10 or 11 years on directing a watch? Take that lawsuit and wipe with it!
False. If the merit promotee who posted learns some reading comprehension he may be better of when his chance does arrive.
Make your phone call juice babies!!
Have to have two years in grade before 31Dec2014 it is written on the job announcement and the job description as well as the FAQS sheet during the application/fee process. Nice try though to stir the pot.
2 years in grade needed by Nov 14 per the test announcement.
It clearly stated when you signed up that you must have one year in grade by 31 Dec 14. So, go ahead and file suit. In the meantime, why dont you learn the position before testing for another bump. The last thing this department needs is another copper going from P.O. to Lt in a little over a year.
Just what the Dept. needs, more incompetent LT.s culled from the ranks of Incompetent Sgts.
6/01/2015 12:22:00 AM
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Let me guess... you're a P.O. that calls for a supervisor at least once a day because you can't make a decision on your own.
THEN, you don't like it when the sergeant has you "jump though 100 hoops".
That's his way of telling you to make a decision on YOUR OWN and don't call him next time.
It's not his job to do your #80,000 a year job.
Two years in grade.
Suburban departments must give promotional exams every 3 years by law, how does CDP get around this requirement? I'm guessing different rules apply because of their size.....?
I made Sgt. and was promoted in Feb 2014. I am not ready to be a Lt. , because I am still learning this job. However with that being said I would like to take the test and see how I score. I also think that you should have to be a Sgt. 5 years before you can be promoted to Lt. McCarthy assured us we could take the test, well he was quickly schooled by downtown that this will not be the case. I will also jump on the lawsuit if there is one. Why because they test every 10 years and by then I will be retired.
You should be a sergeant for at least 2-3 years before making LT. One year is too short and for all you sergeants that have clout and one year in grade I hope you fail. Maybe your clout won't answer the phone then
I am taking that LT test on the 6th but so much of me is wondering why bother. If I did well enough on the test my north side residence wont matter and they will definitely send me to 3,4,5, or 6. They sent me to 007 when I made Sgt and that wasnt worth the drive. Spending hours on the road to get to and from work is stressful. Yes, I could move but you tell my wife and kids to move. She wont hit you but she will come close.
Yet NO one is dumped or fired in human resources.
We forget sometimes that those lovely grievances come out of are taxes!
Yet we have mopes like RAHMBELLINA fighting concealed carry with are tax money.
So who takes a few suspension days when they cost the city a few hundred thousand. The goof at the SGTs union who is a RAHM sell out should pull FOIA request to see how much these screw ups cost. BUT sell outs don't make waves and wait to retire and be head of security at Navy Pier or CTA. No quotes for the papers sell out...
Announcement says 2 years in grade. Just like the September 2006 test: two years in grade. Those with between 1 and 2 years in grade were not allowed to take the test. Many of us have waited 9 or 10 years to take the Lt. Exam. Wait your fucking turn you big baby.
Those who say wait your turn like everyone else did are ignorant asshats! Two wrongs don't make one right. The right thing to do is to let every Sgt take the test and not let any Sgt actually take the promotion without two years in grade. Don't complain about the city if you go along with their rules and don't complain about getting shitty Lt's if you dont like what's right and don't complain about Sgts with bad attitudes if you dont want what's right.
I left the comment bout what's right. To add to that, I am a Sgt who made it off of the list and waited eight years to get promoted.
Sgts. did not become sgts. until 15 JUN 14.
Sorry, it's not the start of the class that makes you a sgt., it's the graduation date.
LT Exam has always been.....2 years to take it and 3 years to get promoted
Sorry Hair-gel sergeants:
copy and paste:
http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dhr/general/CPD-Police_Lieutenant-FAQs-FINAL_101514.pdf
The rules clearly state that you MUST be a sergeant for 2 FULL YEARS on or before 14 December 2014. (that means by 14 DEC 2012)
MANY of us have waited a long time to take our first lieutenants exam.
Sometimes you get one shot at taking it.
Sometimes you get NO shots at taking it.
Just be happy you are a sergeant and you don't have to "dig the hole" any more.
Think about the large raise you got as a sergeant; the 45 minutes extra a day (you can sell back 200 hours which equals big cash each March 15th; and ALSO the supervisor's quarterly cash.
Up to $30,000 extra for no longer having to put cuffs on slime bags.
No more movers or parkers.
No more contact cards.
No more listening to "idiot sergeants" cause now you are one and can laugh all the way to the bank as the blue shirts think you are an asshole and the mutts kill each other on midnights in the 005th District.
ALSO, do not waste the sergeant's union time thinking they will spend all OF OUR union dues on a law suit that will go no where.
I know for a fact the NEW kids complaining never even attended a union meeting in their life.
Just like at Christmas time sometimes you don't get what you want.
Just be happy you got something.
If all those new Sgts want to take the test on 6 June, let them. No extension for study time allowed. Sign up, pay your fee, take a test. Seems like people with no time in grade think they should allowed to be promoted with out learning how to do the job they are currently doing.
Agreed lieutenants exam takes years to ever get promoted and many years to give another exam! Good luck to all!
You had to have 2 years in grade by December 2014. NOT 1 year. I just looked at the application.
Unless it's in writing, good luck. it's always been 2 yrs in grade. N I'm guessing the 2 yrs in grade is in writing somewhere.
A whole year in grade? What the hell? So, with fortuitous timing, you could go from p.o. to lt in seven years? BRILLIANT. What could go wrong?
You could end up with an entire class of McCarthys
Never met a lieutenant I would hire
It doesn't matter. The old list is still active and if you 100 out or better, you will be a lieutenant!
EXAMSCAM Part Deux.
"It's all legit" - The Clout Babies
Anonymous said...
A whole year in grade? What the hell? So, with fortuitous timing, you could go from p.o. to lt in seven years? BRILLIANT. What could go wrong?
6/01/2015 12:58:00 AM
Agree 100%!
This makes alot of sense to me too. After two years as a Sgt I believe I have what it takes to become a good Lt, I worked 20 years in patrol already. I agree that based on past history, there will not be another Lt exam for atleast 8 years and the process will add another 2 or 3 years. Can you say the year 2025!
That is to long to wait, hopefully our pension will be around that long....
Private industry go rid of middle management in the 90s. On our job it is Lts. and Capts. Those positions should be removed from the budget or at least diminished more than they are now. The dept. needs a commander in days and the dept needs a lt or captain working opposite hours of the commander. Tact Lt. Is a supervisor of 3 sgts and 30 p o s. That is a joke. In a time when you need to trim the fat, go after the ones that cost the most against our pensions. The department will never do this because it is how they take care of their friends. I will make you a Lt, Capt, or above and you will get a great salary and pension, my buddy. Also, get school officers out of fixed posts in schools. Huge waste of manpower, they sit in the offices all day while tact teams handle their arrests. Have one or two roving school cars depending how many schools the districts have and problems. Go to 10 hour days citywide, stretches manpower. Combine 20 and 24, 14 with someone, either 12 or 17. That would be an even 20 districts. Redo the zones to have only 10. Save on dispatchers ot.
Minimum Time in grade to get promoted makes sense. Time to sit for the test does not.
Ok, that's good for you, but the current Sergeants had to have at least two years in grade to take the exam on 06 June.
I can tell you for sure the union will not support anyone with less than 2 years taking the test. Past practice dictates 2 years and that's what it will be.
"I am taking that LT test on the 6th but so much of me is wondering why bother. If I did well enough on the test my north side residence wont matter and they will definitely send me to 3,4,5, or 6. They sent me to 007 when I made Sgt and that wasnt worth the drive. Spending hours on the road to get to and from work is stressful."
110k a year 300 hours of automatic comp time yearly to be basically be a figure head.
I'll commute daily from Mt.Greenwood to Milwaukee for that kind of coin.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never met a lieutenant I would hire
6/01/2015 02:10:00 PM
I met more than a few good ones, but then again, it was different times...
McNulty back in the day, Curry, Gunnell, Braithwaite (dad, not daughter)
For every great name I remember, though, I can come up with three times as many that were mindless idiots or just rotten human beings.
If you the read the Illinois Public Labor Relations Act, it states military veterans will be given points on a promotional examination. Where is PB&PA on this issue?
To: 6/01/2015 05:30:00 PM
You have to be a Rahm-Troll you can't be a cop. So stay off our Blog.
If private industry in this country got rid of a lot of middle management because we lost our manufacturing base and many of the service industries use computers systems to check on the productivity and conduct of their employees. But this is the Chicago Police Department, it isn't some dot com or public utility. We don't just fill out paper, we have to interact and sometimes fight with people and it gets messy. We need the clearly defined close experienced supervisors, Sergeants, Lieutenants and Captains. That has been eroded over the past twenty or so years thanks to politicians who think they could run police department the size of a Fortune 500 company when they couldn't run Harry's Hot Dog Stand.
What about the sergeants with 2 weeks in grade that have been put back in house mouse units in HQ ?
The ones who have never been on the street their entire career.
One inside job to the next.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Suburban departments must give promotional exams every 3 years by law, how does CDP get around this requirement? I'm guessing different rules apply because of their size.....?
6/01/2015 09:07:00 AM
Not my dept but we're a home rule town...like Chicago which gives you a lot more discretion. Size does factor in but only in this: if you have 25,000 plus residents you can become home rule without a referendum. If you have less, then you can become home rule but only after it passes by referendum. As far as non-home rule towns having to do promotional exams every 3 yrs...I'm not aware of that but it is believable, sort of like the eligibility lists. Not only has my pd not offered a promotional exam in the last three years, the present list has no expiration date...but it is being thrown out (with people still on it) soon.
Anonymous said...
I came on in 1978 and didn't take the Sergeants exam given in 1979.
BIG MISTAKE! Didn't think it would be eight years until another exam was given and that process would take three and a half years.
Still, I retired with a silver bar on my collar and never got a so-called "Merit Promotion."
6/01/2015 03:27:00 AM
The written portion of that Sgt exam was given in September '78. The oral board portion was then conducted in the spring of '79 with the list being posted several months later. The first class was not promoted ,however, until June '80 due to the Affirmative Action chaos generated by the honorable Prentiss Marshall.
Affirmative Action= todays Merit Promotions
Anonymous said...
LT Exam has always been.....2 years to take it and 3 years to get promoted
6/01/2015 10:26:00 AM
Not true. There were several people who went from Patrolman to Lt in 23 months. They were promoted to Sgt in 1986 and were allowed to take the Examscam Lt test in 1987. Promotions then began from that joke of a list in 1988. I can name names if you are a doubter.
Won't have to worry about promotions or pensions. Bankruptcy is coming boys and girls.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13170075/1/pension-panic-grips-americas-heartland.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
Boo hoo. It's been this way for years. Learn the job of sgt. Crybaby. Many retired off as a sgt. because it was the rule. Way too many cry babies on this job of entitlement.
Announcement says 2 years in grade. Just like the September 2006 test: two years in grade. Those with between 1 and 2 years in grade were not allowed to take the test. Many of us have waited 9 or 10 years to take the Lt. Exam. Wait your fucking turn you big baby.
Thank you well said. I too had to wait. No one feels sorry for you self centered cry babies. Learn the job as sgt., not from the study guide, from the years it takes to be respected.
You think it is ridiculous having a Tac Lt. supervising three Sgts. and thirty patrolman I wonder what you think of having a Community Policing Lt supervising one Sgt. and about four or five patrolmen.
Tell these young whippersnapper Sgts. to get some time in grade and learn how to be Sgts. Then and ONLY then should they think about taking a Lts. test. That's one of the problems in this Department. You have too many members of the Command Staff that went too far too fast. They never learned what it meant to be a Patrolman, Sgt. or Lt ON THE STREETS,IN A DISTRICT!
Those who say wait your turn like everyone else did are ignorant asshats! Two wrongs don't make one right.
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Wrong.
It is not "wrong" it is the RULE.
You need experience in the academy and 18 extra months on the job to become a non- PPO POLICE OFFICER.
You need time in grade to get experience to take the sergeant's exam.
AND THE SAME to take the lieutenant's exam.
For all the good Officers that were never given a chance to be promoted, and should of had that opportunity, "every dog gets his day"
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
A whole year in grade? What the hell? So, with fortuitous timing, you could go from p.o. to lt in seven years? BRILLIANT. What could go wrong?
6/01/2015 12:58:00 AM
Agree 100%!
6/01/2015 04:44:00 PM
Next thing you know someone will say that you can't make Lt (merit) fron Narcotics, not do a day on a car as an actual Lt, go straight to tact Lt spot, then merit apple bite again...jeez that would suck, only for certain people I suppose...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
LT Exam has always been.....2 years to take it and 3 years to get promoted
6/01/2015 10:26:00 AM
Not true. There were several people who went from Patrolman to Lt in 23 months. They were promoted to Sgt in 1986 and were allowed to take the Examscam Lt test in 1987. Promotions then began from that joke of a list in 1988. I can name names if you are a doubter.
6/02/2015 03:55:00 PM
And the record for swift promotion goes to uber heavy Greek, Mark Thanasaurus! Patrolman to captain in less than five years. What could go wrong with that.
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