Hiring Woes
Um, no one wants to be the police - especially minorities:
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel is mapping plans to hold Chicago’s second police entrance exam in two years after another minority outreach campaign that an influential aldermen warns will fall short again in efforts to diversify the Chicago Police Department.
Ald. Anthony Beale (9th), former chairman of the City Council’s Police Committee, said the police department will remain disproportionately white — and crime-fighting will suffer because of it — unless changes are made to the independently administered background checks and psychological exams.
“These are the tools used to weed out and disqualify minorities and keep out people of color. You need to change the criteria. It needs to be more than one person’s opinion,” Beale said.
You mean like when Tracy Ladner was unilaterally disqualifying hundreds of people because their parents were cops? Or that the candidates had served in the military? Is that what you mean alderass? Does this guy even have a clue?
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
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...unless changes are made to the independently administered background checks and psychological exams...
No thanks.
Lower the standards and you will get a lower quality of an applicant. Just saying.
Find another profession. Anything but the police.
It's not what you think. You don't have power or respect.
And nothing you do will change anything.
I wish somebody had woken me up to this when I took the test. I had no clue what I was in for.
It's a toxic and dangerous environment. Stay away. Live a quiet peaceful life.
What I can see is that CPD is hiring enough of all racial/ethnic groups except black. The good black people have plenty opportunities and every employer is seeking qualified black candidates. A black person with some education and a decent background has the world by the balls. The fact of the matter is that there are not enough qualified black candidates to fill the available positions. You can blame schools, parents, society, etc. This is a case in which you can not blame the police. Lowering the hiring standards is absolutely not the answer. If we lower the bar so that currently not qualified black candidates can become police officers, we will be lowering the caliber of not only black police officers but all police officers. This of course will become obvious in the future in a higher number of officers getting into trouble for corruption, criminal behavior, erratic behavior, etc, which will end up costing the city untold millions of dollars and, more importantly, lowering the credibility of every police officer on the force. Advice to Beal; "Don't lower police standards." It will come back to bite you!!!!
OT: Speaking of hiring less-qualified people just to get 'somebody' to take the job.. After watching the interview with Forrest Claypool and the Chicago Public School system's Chief Education Officer, Ms. Janice Jackson, I'm left shaking my head at the 'example' being set by CPS' so-called leadership.
According to Ms. Jackson, and I'm quoting - "They're axed to do more with less."
and
"We have not began hiring for the upcoming school year..." (yes: 'began')
Our children are supposed to follow the example of THIS person?!
Get rid of the standards and its a further "death spiral" for police, as unqualified people enter the ranks and further embarrass the Department and Job with their incompetency. And it will cost $$ the city a lot more in the long run.
This is just downright embarrassing. So the standards should be lowered because minorities can't pass drug exams, have arrests in their backgrounds, etc? So it should be harder as a Caucasian because minorities are struggling to get in? If the standards gets changed for minority hiring, is that not RACISM on its own?? Wtf is wrong with these people...?
So glad I'm almost done. Good luck guys...
I say let's do it.
Start with a control group of 50? 75? Send them thru the Academy, then, IF they make it, they get to go to 005 for their Career in the CPD. If that's what Beals wants, well, give it to him!
Well, they haven't been able to force whitey out of the hiring process in sufficient numbers. Time to eliminate drug arrests, battery arrests and robbery arrests from the hiring qualifications. Also, drop the college except for whites and asians, brown and blacks need not be citizens or graduate high school. See, I just diversified the police department. You see, diversity is our strength.
I found it rather interesting that there was a pie chart with the racial makeup of the 2013 applicants. 37% were white, 31% were Hispanic, 23% were black, with 7% "other", and 2% Asian. According to the 2010 Census, Chicago is about 31.7% white, 28.9% Hispanic, and 32.9% black. So the white % was about 5% higher than the population, and the Hispanic number was a little over 2% higher. The black applicants numbers were about 10% less than their population (which is the majority according to the 2010 Census numbers). It's not like these numbers are way out of whack. It appears to me that these numbers are a fair reflection of the makeup of this city, alderthief Beale.
Ahhh, Tracy Ladner....what's she doing these days?! Call me!!!!
Mr. Beale, are you saying that only blacks should police blacks? Sounds kind of racist to me.
So the firm which. conducts the background checks is discriminatory? The firm is co owned by a former Supt who happens to be black (Hillard). Thank God Aldercreature Beale is no longer the Police&Fire Committee Chairman!
Thank God Ms Ladner is no longer Cook Co Human Resources Director after leaving CPD!
Beales wants retired gang members that dropped out of high school and know the law not only as a victim but as an offender. They make the best cops Right Tony? Why doesn't he just change the criteria to you have to be a felon. Maybe he should recommend 60 arrest instead of 60 credit hours. I can see the exam now. How many Packs make up a Jab?
Although marijuana is illegal in Chicago, it is legal in other cities and states. Ald. Anthony Beale (9th) thinks that the drug test should be thrown out, so people of color can get hired. Who can say if they didn't visit one of these cities, they may even know where these cities are on a map.
The way the climate is now for police, this job SUCKS! I tell people all the time to do something else! This is a job of last resort, when u have nothing left to get! KMA
Harbor no delusions...
Policing has always been an awful, rotten, stinking, wretched,
life-shortening, life altering shit-doo-doo job.
With that...
No matter how people (folks and "nutrons" too) bitterly
bitched, cried, complained and shit-talked about those
"wild, out of control, mean, heavy-fisted, insensitive,
too fast with their guns, racist and rebellious Cops;"
at the end of the day, they were smug, self-satisfied but
nonetheless glad that it was those Cops, however thin and
intentionally over-stretched and starved of equipment, training
and resources; trying their best to hold the line against the new
ugly climbing over the walls of fortress "Civilization."
The "Police are the enemy" narrative is taking up way too much band-width
and the public doesn't seem in the mood to entertain reasonable rebuttal
of this stinkin' thinkin'.
Anyone with even a passing interest or even the least of a nodding notion
in being The Police, has been paying attention to the very ugly shit being
written on the walls by not so hidden hands.
Hooray.
They won... What, exactly?
Alinskite Progressivism, left-wing agit-prop, political
shit-assery and other such rules the day.
There is no room at the table for you eeeeeevil, funny thinking Cops.
Especially you old cranky types who still have the good, old,
rugged, take no shit/take no prisoners, rugged Law Enforcer/
Hunter of BEE-AY-DEE Motherfuckers who commit outlandish
outrages against society still written on your hard drives.
(Cue:
Scene from "Robo-Cop" where they overwrote so much everything
BUT effective Policing on Murphy's hard drive that he was overwhelmed.)
Now that a de facto Duty to Retreat has been forcibly overlaid
on Policing and Policemen responding properly by creating
space in the name of self preservation, now what?
Yeah...
They can't find enough suckers to take this job now, eh?
Just you wait for the "Nuclear Option" home rule to
separate Chicago from any compelling reason to adhere
to state testing and training standards...
A Police Department of "Dude," by "Dude" and for "Dude," since there
is so much media agit-prop that minimum training standards as
they currently exist, are culturally biased if not racist.
Fuck that...
Meet or beat the standards.
That's why so many problems afflict the Department now.
We would love to see a Wonderlic component added to pre-employment
screening. But just for laughs, have the entire exempt echelon sit for it
and publish the results.
We find it repugnant that we're "led" mostly by dolts, defectives, dullards and fucking criminals
who have no business in a Police Uniform let alone wearing a gold Police Star.
"We don't want you Cops to be TOO intelligent because you
might make rebellion against US and and win the public to
your side..."
Heh...
Policing being "Ferguson-ized" right before your eyes.
The Police are the enemy.
Right?
Forget "best and brightest". Reflecting the community trumps all. Tell me you agree with this and I'll tell you to get your head examined.
Get rid of the college requirement. I'd rather have have a high school kid with common sense, than these entitled cry baby's who bitch about everything. In other words, hire some people and fund my pension already!
So what the hell are you really trying to say, Alderman Racist?
Imagine the inverse, quoted from a white alderman:
The police department will remain disproportionately black — and crime-fighting will suffer because of it.
Where do they find these dumbasses?
That is what the civil rights movement has come to
So, Beale wants to change the background investigations and psych exams.
How exactly does he propose to do that?
What aspects of those does he want to eliminate in order to hire the best and brightest from his constituency?
SMH
Ricky, That racist!
Do any of these Aldermen meet even the most basic job requirements of any job anywhere or does the machine simply push them because they are connected to someone? I listen to these guys spout off on subjects of which they have very little if any knowlege of and realize that my four year old grandson would make more sense than they do.
No worries in a relative of this cop taking any Chicago Police test! I told my son your better off as Diesel mechanic and then get a job with a big company like UPS or Fedex, that will allow him to move away from Chicago and its stupid residency rules, high taxes and the stealing of our pension by Rahm and his ilk! KMA
Beale is a tool.
Sounds like Beal wants to go back to the days of alderscum selling badges.
I bet he couldn't get hired by this department.
Telling everyone they are looking to hire minority's is just as racist as telling everyone CPD has to many whites.
It's not the best person for the job, It's who they want for the job. Just like when they make exempts...Is that right Alderass!
Let's seee, you say you have a "Bogus" Felony Gun charge, trumped up PCS charges and your ex lied about a Domestic Battery. Great! You already have experience and well, since you are familiar with the Judicial and Parole system, no need for training. Now, we reserve the right to Fuck you at anytime and in anyway we deem necessary. Additionally, we shall forego and disregard any and all Contractual Agreements, State Laws, Constitutional Laws etc... at a whim if it is for the better good of my political machine...
That may be exactly what he means. Minorities serve honorably in the military and there are minorities on the job, who have children that might want to be a cop.
Felons, Ald Beale is talking about felons. Hire-a-felon is the new CPD slogan it seems.
So, Retired Supt Hillard's consulting firm (which was hired to conduct background checks on candidates) partakes in unfair practices against minorities?????
And the sub-contracted firms and investigators (ALL minority/black owned- firms hired by Mr. Hillard himself) are unfair in their actions?????
Hey Beale, STFU already. That ship has sailed. It isn't working anymore.
I guess the instructors will start dissapearing again when the weekly tests are administered. Or maybe they never stopped.
I have to agree with the flaw in the background checks. There is or was an investigator up there that thought he was god. He would disqualify mostly coppers kids because of an anov back in college. I've personally seen him berate candidates to the point that the candidate no longer wanted the job. I've seen him take the word of an ex-wife as to the bad character of a candidate. He is a miserable JO and I hope he rots in hell for what he was doing to coppers kids. And the kicker is he has a son on the job in vice.
I met Beale a few years ago when his kid went to Walther Lutheran High School in Melrose Park and played baseball with my kid. He was all flash and no substance. He likes the attention he gets from his 'position' and is just another typical politician. Doesn't care about the truth, only what will garner him power.
Anyone know if it's true that more than half of the people taking the power test are failing?
Why isn't Tracey in PRISON for all the Shenanigans she pulled?????...Oh never mind...The CLOUTED live to see another day...................
Only the qualified need apply? Let's lower the standards then we can lower pay and benifits!
Turn the keys over to the lunatics............
I'm retired now, so they can't threaten me.
When I started on the West side, I was very suprised find some of the working class blacks demanded only white officers when they called for the police. They were of the opinion that they were treated better by the white officers.
I wonder why?
This from a long time veteran.....if any civilian reading this is considering becoming a police officer or knows of someone who is considering becoming the police I'm going to strongly urge you to not do it especially for family sake. However if you do in fact want to I'll actually make a strong suggestion to not become a Chicago Police Officer, go to the suburbs if you must or go to the Federal level. Remember I warned you. Oh and by the way, you non working police and political promotion police save us all the bullshit and don't say it's a great job because you know it's not and no I'm not disgruntled, if you watch the news, read the newspaper or involved in the department you know it's a mess, extremely poor leadership and out of control by the kool aid drinkers so with that much said yes there still are some really good supervisors.
The same will happen with the sgts test.. 3 years max
This is BS and racist. I hate this city. What ever happened to MLK's, people should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. The word "minority" needs to disappear. Look at California. Hispanics are now the majority. These Alderman are something else. Always focusing on the wrong issues, looking for votes, and are oblivious to the true problems that plague their communities. Imagine if a white alderman said that hahahaha. He'd be beaten by yoots.
Beale is a complete blubbering idiot. His argument, based solely on his opinion, can easily be shot down but the media won't "go there".
Fuck you Beale you don't have a clue.
read as: Whites need not apply!
If judging by the crime scene photos and video that the media publishes or airs, one could believe that The Dept is 95% white. Even though hiring has always been 33% or better in the minority's favor. So just where are the folks that are suppose to represent the communities that bring the media attention, day time inside spots, medical or station runs ?
This city has people in positions they could never have gotten years ago these are weak minded individuals who cannot lead are only interested in getting what they can and screw everyone else it's a sad time we live in.
I worked at O'hare airport for 20 years. Only one in six job applicants could pass the drug test.
Eric Holder instituted new rules, punishable by law (civil and criminal), if you can't fill minority quotas, you must stop background checks until you do. Will we have to hire felons now?
In order to make policing attractive to sub-Saharans living in Chicongo, they should be paid 2x as much as any non-sub-Saha in same position within CPD. They should also get a special Donut-Shoppe adjustment on their paychex worth say $10 per day x 30 day month
That would "continentalize" the CPD to the benefit of all the wunnerful residents of the beeeyoutiful city of Chicongo
They fire police who toke, that rule has to change first before anything else gets done.
JUST a citizen says: It think you need to know English, write English, speak clearly and know how to do basic math. Plus, you need to be a legal citizen.
So yet again he is blatantly speaking of lowering standards to change "appearances." In the same breath he speaks of things improving with the decline in standards, and this makes sense to some people.
End of the day you can't MAKE people want to be the police. In these strongly anti-police times it isn't appealing for anyone of any color, race, or sex to become the police.
My kid is now going out of the city to work. He's willing to fight an uphill hiring battle because he's white and a veteran, and not in some pols pocket.
Boy oh boy, when all else fails the race card is thrown out there in full view, is it the fault of anyone but the person applying for the job that they have criminal records, or lack the education and have gang affiliation. Does alderman Bale who has no business being on the police and fire committee due to his ill feelings towards the police and people other then black folks. I'm sorry but my son who is WHITE was given an incomplete Psych evaluation and told to re test but passed the same test with 3 suburban police depts. and hired by one of them, he is no involved with the lawsuit due to this conduct by Tracy Ladner. They lowered the standards by giving the test to 18 year olds and giving preference to public school kids but how low do we go, Beale is almost saying that black Candidates can't pass the test due to just being black. That is really poor. I am so glad I'm retired and everyday we see that the police are getting a bad rap. Tony Beale you are quite a tool, just get these people you want jobs for hired as your neighborhood patrol or Jail Guards.
Why don't you see the aldermen of these violent districts out there on patrol with the police if they are so concerned. I don't see one alderman on TV after a tragic shooting talking with reporters, they are all frauds and thiefs, looking to shakedown the businesses in thier wards for campaign funds. We need to reduce the number to 25 wards. And as stated a black person with an education is an endangered person. That person WANTED to better themselves and worked at getting it, not being a lazy ass mooch wanting free stuff.
And the once great CPD continues to turn to SHIT. Good luck Coppers.
I/F
I can't wait to retire and leave all this crap behind. I'd be painfully heartbroken if one of my kids ever took this Godforsaken job.
"We don't want you Cops to be TOO intelligent because you
might make rebellion against US and and win the public to
your side..."
8/04/2015 05:05:00 AM
Don't want people coming from a family tradition of law enforcement to build on.
Especially don't want military vets. Need sociology and psychology grads, people who are shaky and squeamish about weapons, hardly know one end from the other and don't want to, and who cover their eyes when they see blood and other bad things.
"Policing being "Ferguson-ized" right before your eyes."
Yup.
Get rid of the college requirement. I'd rather have have a high school kid with common sense, than these entitled cry baby's who bitch about everything. In other words, hire some people and fund my pension already!
8/04/2015 05:30:00 AM
Sorry, that might have worked 30, 40, or even 20 years ago when you hand wrote a 3 line report for just about everything and a knowledgeable grasp of the law didn't really matter because the police weren't over scrutinized. Today that's just not going to cut it in this computer based anti-police environment where every legal mistake could be your last. We still have remnants of old timers left that can't even turn on a computer and that's just not going to cut it anymore. I used to agree with you, but today, at least 2 years of college is necessary. Even with the 2 year college requirement I've seen some down right embarrassing reports and idiotic arrests not even in the ball park of meeting the probable cause requirement.
"We Don't want the best and the brightest on the police force we want Black Police" Ald. Anthony Beale (9th),
I worked in the old CC room and south side callers would request white police and then add don't send no "bitches." I wish I had made some tapes of some of the stuff I heard.
I bet you this happens with the sergeant's test from last year. Not enough minorities in the top percentile. I'm so sick of this city.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
JUST a citizen says: It think you need to know English, write English, speak clearly and know how to do basic math. Plus, you need to be a legal citizen.
8/04/2015 11:06:00 AM
You don't need to be able to speak clearly (some of the officers on my watch have such heavy accents, they can't be understood over the radio).
And, no, you don't have to be a citizen. You have to have legal 'status', but not necessarily be a U.S. citizen.
They may want to check out what happened in Miami when they relaxed their standards.
My kid got out of the USMC a few years ago. He started the process to become a Chicago Police Officer without my knowledge. When I found out, I gave him all the reasons to drop the idea. He listened to his old man and now he's in another state, 3rd year chemical engineering. I also told him to live somewhere else. Screw this job, city, and state.
Lower the standards and you will get a lower quality of an applicant. Just saying.
8/04/2015 12:43:00 AM
Absolutely correct. They've done it in the past and paid the price for it in the long run.
Going out of the city to get a job with a police dept., you still have many of the same issues as you do with CPD. A career in law enforcement is just too stressful and dangerous nowadays, though any job is more stressful today.
They lowered the bar on promotions by making merit promotions. Social scientists say that blacks are equal and just as smart as the white man. Then Why do we have merit promotions? Because certain people are to stupid or lazy to read the study material. So they are not the best candidates for promotion. Either you know the job or you don't. They never make merit picks from the start of the list only from the back so you get the less knowledgeable by default. Is the public getting the best for its tax money, politicians don't care about the public or what it wants Rahm and the democrates just was to be able to give out the political plum of promotion. The proof is some people get three merit and sometimes four promotions in a very short time. No one knows or can articulate anything meritorious that the subject officer has done to qualify for all of these promotions.
Fardon, wake up are we going to fast for you? No wonder the democrates got rid of the last guy and put in this dope.
I feel after close to 20 years on the CPD that it has been a good job. I've never missed a check, made friends, had fun, had freedom, and I've encountered way more good/competent bosses than bad/incompetent ones. I've even made very good overtime the last few years. The problem is that we are not the "police" anymore and the community does not really want us to be the "real police." So really, I now get paid more to do less than I did when I started. So monetarily, the job is good.
However, the reason I would recommend staying away from CPD is that: 1. You're going to the ghetto for the foreseeable future on a undesirable watch (not good for personal life). There's no openings and it takes over 10 years probably to be on 2nd watch in any district (probably more). 2. You now sign up to work longer for a smaller pension (Different pension rules now). 3. Opportunities for advancement are virtually non-existent (we just had a sergeant test and the last one was about 10 years ago. We are well over 10 years since the last detective test. Tact used to be desirable and fun, not any more. 4. The job is dangerous. If you have any time on at all, you've personally seen someone you know get seriously hurt either by: an offender, a traffic crash, or unfortunately murdered by some worthless piece of s&^%. The bottom line is this is a dangerous job and not a career. There is no "guarantee" of advancement or recognition. If you're connected, its still a great job though.....you'll spend a little time here or there and end up in a "spot." If you're just taking the test to be a Chicago Police Officer, you are the "sucker" in the room but won't know it until you're stuck on the job.
Lets get the residency law lifted after a certain period of time...our pension law will go to the SCOTUS soon.
"I'm retired now, so they can't threaten me.
When I started on the West side, I was very suprised find some of the working class blacks demanded only white officers when they called for the police. They were of the opinion that they were treated better by the white officers.
I wonder why?"
8/04/2015 08:56:00 AM
In the previous Century, with CCSPD my first night working a hire-back beat in Robbins after Robbins PD officers were fired by the Mayor along with their Chief, I responded to a call and the lady said: "This the first time ever when I called the poleece that they came!"
who in their right mind would....join the CPD, spend 20 years + in the city, be "forced" to pay private school tuition, pay high property taxes...and then try and sell their home?
Somebody lock that Damn Beale up before I do. Asshat, remember when one of "your" people, alderman Beale, by the name of Gator Bradley and his 21st century vote and all and the Gangster Disciples street gang infiltrated the Chicago Police Department back in the 80's and 90's. Then it took a "white " police officer to go under deep cover to find "your" people who were Gangster Disciples street gang members infiltrating the police department? I am old enough to remember all that crap. That is why we have to have the disproportionately bias background checks that "your" people forced us in this country to have because people "like" you do not know how to raise law abiding citizens.
Anyone know if it's true that more than half of the people taking the power test are failing
It's actually about about 3/4 of the people taking the power test that are failing
This from a long time veteran.....if any civilian reading this is considering becoming a police officer or knows of someone who is considering becoming the police I'm going to strongly urge you to not do it especially for family sake. However if you do in fact want to I'll actually make a strong suggestion to not become a Chicago Police Officer, go to the suburbs if you must or go to the Federal level. Remember I warned you. Oh and by the way, you non working police and political promotion police save us all the bullshit and don't say it's a great job because you know it's not and no I'm not disgruntled, if you watch the news, read the newspaper or involved in the department you know it's a mess, extremely poor leadership and out of control by the kool aid drinkers so with that much said yes there still are some really good supervisors.
Some of us are in the suburbs stuck on midnights in po-dunk towns where nothing ever happens, not doing police work, and wanting to go to Chicago (or a city of comparable size). I know that if I get on with Chicago my first 7+ years will be spent in 005, 006, or 007, but at least I'll be doing actual police work. And believe me, if I could go to the federal level I would, but I don't have the right connections or experience level yet. Maybe my outlook will change after a couple more years, but that's what I see it as right now.
My friends and I took the 1972 test, it was thrown out because not enough minorities passed. Most of my friends took the next test, I went in the building trades. In hindsight it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
First off I am NO fan of Ladner, however I can say that unilaterally disqualifying people because they were coppers kids or in the military is completely untrue. The coppers kids were doing things their parents didn't know (hard drugs and failing the drug test) then lying to their parents about why they were disqualified, and the ones from the military failed drug tests in the military or had history of several violent incidents involving police. Are these the things that should be overlooked JUST because they are coppers kids or because they served? I don't think so...
Half the people invited to take power tests show up for it, half of the people who show up fail, then after that they still have to take drug test, psych, medical, poly and background. Those who are qualified are already hired, the rest are just rolling the dice hoping to slip through the cracks...
Test question:
I am on vacation in the District of Columbia i smoke 2 ounces of premium bud a year before the police test legally.
The department ask me have if i have taken any drugs.
???
who is wrong the city or the test taker?
City better figure it out fast or more lawsuit will clog the system.
The black cops are no different than the white cops who the FBI identified as racist. Wasn't that a black Commander that put his gun in a suspect's mouth and now is on trial?
FYI - The CPD will hire a non- citizen if they have a work permit or are a legal "resident alien"
If you doubt this remark - please check the Honored Star Case @ HQ. PO Doffyn, a Canadian citizen, was Killed in the Line of Duty.
May he rest in peace.
If Beale isn't a racist then I don't know what a racist is.
-Ok here's the talk at 35th Street
Mayor and others want greater diversity in the Department. This is especially true for Supervisor. Look to see heavy minority merit placed in the upcoming Sergeant classes. Also there is a push from politicians and bosses inside the department to have more promotion tests. Discussion was to have tests done every 3 to 5 years for ALL ranks. Specifically Sergeant because the Mayor was not happy with the outcome of the Sergeants list. That's why IO Solutions was fired and not allowed to administer the Lieutenants exam. There was talk to limit the current Sergeant list to 300 or 5 years - whichever came first. Remember the current Sergeants list is already over a year old and only 31 Sergeants have been promoted. Not good.
Anonymous said...
This from a long time veteran.....if any civilian reading this is considering becoming a police officer or knows of someone who is considering becoming the police I'm going to strongly urge you to not do it especially for family sake.
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Brilliant. Simply brilliant!
Who then do you suggest "Serve and Protect" the citizens of Chicago-even yourself and family if you still live in the City?
The job is what you make of it. No more, no less.
(Retired 31+ and I miss the hell out of some of the life long friends I worked with during those years. And I was just a P/O)
Anonymous said...
I worked at O'hare airport for 20 years. Only one in six job applicants could pass the drug test.
8/04/2015 10:39:00 AM
Yep, I worked in human resources for a hiring agency. Some of the companies wanted a drug test done. The failure rate was freaking high. But then again, these jobs were blue collar, manual, little professional education required. Just like the police job. The drug test is what eliminates most applicants.
"unless changes are made to the independently administered background checks and psychological exams."
T-Bone Terry Hillard will have no part of that. Zabba, Zabba,Zoo what ya thinks of the new Tazers I gots for ya.
I was at the last CPD Power test given two weekends ago.
Many applicants showed up unprepared for the test.
All of the applicants new well in advance what the
Power Test requirements were, yet certain
applicants showed up and easily and quickly flunked the run.
They were told to go home.
Will the CPD be eliminating the Power Test
For fat, out of shape candidates ?
As they are fucking with our pensions they are trying to recruit more people? Lol. So glad I hit my 20 years a few days ago.
P.O. 019 2nd watch.
Beale you should be ashamed of what you are saying about minorities. You are saying to lower the standards for blacks and Mexicans. Dude what are you telling the minorities by doing that? What an embarrassment you are.
Anonymous said...
JUST a citizen says: It think you need to know English, write English, speak clearly and know how to do basic math. Plus, you need to be a legal citizen.
8/04/2015 11:06:00 AM
Oh man, you should read some of the case reports from police officers with supposedly 60 hours of college credit! They read like 2nd graders in a dumb school wrote them.
They fire police who toke, that rule has to change first before anything else gets done.
8/04/2015 10:53:00 AM
You're right. We should just give up and take any gang banging, pot smoking piece of shit because that will be so much better than having well qualified men and women of good character.
Dumbing down the Department has worked well so far. Let's double down.
It seems that at least some people got on this job just to carry a gun. Chiraq now has at least something of a CCW policy, so Joe citizen can strap up. Just like Tac lost all perks in the past few years, the perk to be able to carry for carrying sake flew out the window.
I always thought that city council members should subjected to random drug testing.
Didn't they try this in the 90's and end up with Pacman and the crew on the west side? Robbing and killing members of the other gang, stealing from victims, killing the guy in the wheelchair. This is a bad idea.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FYI - The CPD will hire a non- citizen if they have a work permit or are a legal "resident alien"
If you doubt this remark - please check the Honored Star Case @ HQ. PO Doffyn, a Canadian citizen, was Killed in the Line of Duty.
May he rest in peace.
8/04/2015 07:01:00 PM
You are correct. There is a Irish Sgt in 025 who is not a citizen. Neither is his ex-wife.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
who in their right mind would....join the CPD, spend 20 years + in the city, be "forced" to pay private school tuition, pay high property taxes...and then try and sell their home?
8/04/2015 05:25:00 PM
You are not forced to pay private school tuition. Believe it or not there are some great CPS grade and High Schools. You just have to look around. It's OK for your kids to go to school with people of other cultures. Believe me the early interaction actually helps. As for property taxes try living in the Suburbs and see what their tax bills are. Chicago is by no means perfect but there are some great neighborhoods with great people.
"who is wrong the city or the test taker?"
8/04/2015 06:31:00 PM
Dave's not here.
When are they going to have hiring standards for alderpeople? Education requirements, background checks, drug tests, the whole thing that other employees have to go through. Most would flunk a basic intelligence test! Don't even think about a power test unless it was just lifting a bribe in an envelope. Way too many mutts now.
During the 70s the boss mr Daley, rip fought the Feds and p Marshall over this same subject the 1500 club it all comes from the. Heart.
"They fire police who toke, that rule has to change first before anything else gets done."
8/04/2015 10:53:00 AM
Yeah, wow, man.
Hi, troll.
" . . . yet certain
applicants showed up and easily and quickly flunked the run.
They were told to go home.
Will the CPD be eliminating the Power Test
For fat, out of shape candidates ?"
8/04/2015 08:38:00 PM
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Nope
The POWER test is state mandated.
By having as the 1st test (along with a drug test) it IS the best way to weed out people who are not serious about the job.
By the way..
My son's best friend who happens to be African American; He went to the POWER test... HE FORGOT to read the entire email which stated that you need a Doctor's Wavier signed.. he was rejected and disqualified for something sooooo simple.
How much bending over backwards does the city have to do to appease the liberal communist democrats running this country???
Ok here's the talk at 35th Street
Mayor and others want greater diversity in the Department. This is especially true for Supervisor. Look to see heavy minority merit placed in the upcoming Sergeant classes. Also there is a push from politicians and bosses inside the department to have more promotion tests. Discussion was to have tests done every 3 to 5 years for ALL ranks. Specifically Sergeant because the Mayor was not happy with the outcome of the Sergeants list. That's why IO Solutions was fired and not allowed to administer the Lieutenants exam. There was talk to limit the current Sergeant list to 300 or 5 years - whichever came first. Remember the current Sergeants list is already over a year old and only 31 Sergeants have been promoted. Not good.
This is why the "merit" picks will be mostly MINORITIES.....to make the classes more acceptable to the powers to be....also your comment about making the tests more frequently is almost accurate BUT 3-5 yrs is too short a time frame for the money spent on testing, grading, etc. Think around every 7 years for testing to be administered. So if the numbers are correct, the people on the lists should expect #'s to be promoted around 375-400 on any given test (sgts, detectives).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm retired now, so they can't threaten me.
When I started on the West side, I was very suprised find some of the working class blacks demanded only white officers when they called for the police. They were of the opinion that they were treated better by the white officers.
I wonder why?
8/04/2015 08:56:00 AM
Knew some retired black Coppers who were legends in
the old 10th (23rd & Damen) and 11th (Pulaski & Fillmore)
districts.
Those guys did NOT play!
You want to talk about the need for The Police
to be able to snatch unruly, hard-head m/fers out of their shoes?
Most of those guys were southern country boys who came to
Chicago for something better.
Some of them were vets and some had college degrees too...
They had to endure shit-talk from some ignorant
white Coppers about their college degrees being
only equivalent to a high school diploma here in Chicago.
This is probably where that "Just because it wears Blue,
doesn't make it true" nonsense took hold.
Idiocy and ignorance can come in all shades and shapes.
No one holds a monopoly on it.
Most of you would be well served to talk with those guys
from those post WW2 through mid 1960's years.
They have stories that really need telling and their numbers
are dwindling.
This is some of the collective Police muscle memory that the
Progressives and their catered to constituent foot soldiers want
to see destroyed so that they can re-boot the concept of Chicago
Policing into something that serves only them and not the poor guy
trying to get up the stairs with his groceries before he's noticed by the
wrong bunch.
We still laugh about the mental image of a Copper quoting 1961 Illinois
Criminal Code (directly from the book) to a bunch of hard-heads on 16th St. ...
Cue:
The sound of batons, saps, blackjacks, axe handles and freshly
broken-off tree branches to restore public peace and order.
Can you imagine the parade of those old Dodge and I-H
wagons "goin' in with plenty" after the festivities were done?
Bring back the big, mean, hairy and scary Police...
13. 13 blows make a jab
If you think that lowering standards is not detrimental-just look at the Cook Co Sheriff's Office and compare it to the Los Angeles Co Sheriif's Dept. In LA you are hired & trained to work ANY ASPECT of the Agency. But the politicos in Cook Co set up the Office with lower standards for the jail & courts. There are higher standards for the Sheriff's Police as well as a higher pay scale and a take home squad if you still live in the county. So we have three different divisions/uniforms/badges/pay scales for the office. And of course, there is the clout factor. If you visit LA you will see the Sheriff on patrol & working alongside the LAPD. Once again-what could be good agency is messed up but the politics will always be the only thing on an Aldercreature's/County Commish's mind.
i hope that none of my friends on the CCSO take offense & stay safe since the thugs that were on the street can be just as dangerous in your courthouse or the jail.
a former Deputy before joining CPD
It's amazing how some members have been fooled in believing that merit promotions are for minorities when in fact the first merit class contained 5 whites 5 blacks & 3 Hispanics. Since, whites have quietly emerged as the majority of merit promotions. Equally amazing is when the Department decided to institute higher education it was discovered that proportionally blacks were more educated than the whites. So my ranting whites, know your history. Additionally, when you question the Department's ability to give a fair promotional exam, ask retired members like Maurer who he gave the exam to & what rank they are now. Whites, those in the right clicks have always had the exam. Ask SG or CK.......how is it that members of certain study groups place higher on the list than those that studied the orders, reading materials etc. cheating asses, these groups SG & CK study the exam.
Just FYI if your kid has a contact card in the system they will not get on. Terry Hilliard and his crack team of retired rejects do half ass back ground checks.
Terry tries and squashes a high percentage of veterans and kid whose daddies are the police. If you have noticed the contact card system got screwed up because of this and now under court agreement is erased after a year 3 for dicks.
So thanks Terry and the bimbo Kirby!
And don't forget all those bogus orders of protection the State passes out without a hearing or any safe guards that will end the police dream quickly.
If you think that lowering standards is not detrimental-just look at the Cook Co Sheriff's Office and compare it to the Los Angeles Co Sheriif's Dept. (18:30 hrs 05 Aug 15)....First,learn how to spell Sheriff correctly twice in one sentence.Second so now that you're the all mighty CPD the people you used to work with are all political hacks ? Have a feeling you kissed the same a.. to get on CPD as you did County but now you claim to be born again. CPD can have you.......your former friends at CCSO.
I'm in my 25th year on this job and all I can say is it's over, this dept. is dead, DOA. Don't take the test! If you want to go I law enforcement go Federally or if u go with munincipal dept go out of Illinois. Those of us on just live by one motto, " survive and escape".....
When is next sgts class
It's. amazing how some members have been fooled in believing that merit promotions are for minorities when in fact the first merit class contained 5 whites 5 blacks & 3 Hispanics. Since, whites have quietly emerged as the majority of merit promotions. Equally amazing is when the Department decided to institute higher education it was discovered that proportionally blacks were more educated than the whites. So my ranting whites, know your history. Additionally, when you question the Department's ability to give a fair promotional exam, ask retired members like Maurer who he gave the exam to & what rank they are now. Whites, those in the right clicks have always had the exam. Ask SG or CK.......how is it that members of certain study groups place higher on the list than those that studied the orders, reading materials etc. cheating asses, these groups SG & CK study the exam.
Can you give me where you found such statistics or maybe include a reference or two with your rant. I can think of several AA BOSSES who NEVER had to sit and PASS the second portions of a promotion exam.....one is the cmdr. Of 011 (f-1), NEXT IS D/C OF organized crime (m-1), and the other is 1st deputy (AW), also a m-1. So there are three examples comparing against your two. Gotta admit that certain people are "given" special help to rise through the ranks. Blacks, whites, mexican Etc.
I am 36 years old, probably to old to be Police but I would love to be apart of this noble profession. I would even do it for free, with some benefits of course. There needs to be a volunteer wing of CPD. I am sure there are many more like me.
I was at the last CPD Power test given two weekends ago.
Many applicants showed up unprepared for the test.
All of the applicants new well in advance what the
Power Test requirements were, yet certain
applicants showed up and easily and quickly flunked the run.
They were told to go home.
Will the CPD be eliminating the Power Test
For fat, out of shape candidates ?
8/04/2015 08:38:00 PM
This is nothing new. This has been happening for decades. They all know well in advance the requirements of the POWER test. They given/sent a booklet that explains the POWER test and exercises to prepare for it. I don't know what goes thru their minds but there are just a lot that don't take it seriously and just go thru the motions of trying to take the power test.
If you have 5000 people/folks that take the written exam, you will probably get less than 20% that will actually qualify or want the job. It takes over a year to go thru the process and that's if the city is pushing hard to get the backgrounds, psych, medical and power tests done.
Many don't read the info sent to them. Sometimes the city will give them a second chance and call them back at another date, sometimes they won't.
You obviously don't want to be the police or with CPD because if you were even half serious you'd know that you aren't too old. I got on at 39. Nitz.
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