Has Rahm Looked Into This?
No, we didn't apply there and get turned down - we have zero desire to work there. No, our ex doesn't work there. No, we don't golf the outing.
We're genuinely trying to help Rahm streamline operations and save money that we are going to need one day in our pensions.
We're genuinely trying to help Rahm streamline operations and save money that we are going to need one day in our pensions.
- Why not arm the Aviation Police and move CPD out of the airports?
You'd gain some dozens of coppers, over one hundred. Dozens of supervisors, too. You could eliminate an entire command structure. Aviation police are already sworn officers, they are eligible for gobs of federal money, they have enough toys to do the job, they know the territory - they just can't be armed on airport property for some unknown reason, even though they can carry anywhere else in the State. Which essentially makes them targets without guns at the place they're supposed to be working.
And while you're looking at this proposal, look at this one, too:
And while you're looking at this proposal, look at this one, too:
- CPD out of the high schools.
CPS has hundreds of security officers on staff. They work school hours, school events, school games. The schools even have a "mobile citywide force" to go to problem schools when trouble is expected, which puts them one up on the Police Department. Most are already off-duty coppers/sheriffs earning Social Security credits.
And they are supplemented by one or two CPD officers per high school - for what exactly? The schools aren't looking to start their students down their life paths with criminal records. Most offenses are disciplinary in nature and the schools would rather have "in-house suspensions" than jail a kid. So get the cops out and you'll suddenly see another hundred cops on the streets....at least on paper.
And they are supplemented by one or two CPD officers per high school - for what exactly? The schools aren't looking to start their students down their life paths with criminal records. Most offenses are disciplinary in nature and the schools would rather have "in-house suspensions" than jail a kid. So get the cops out and you'll suddenly see another hundred cops on the streets....at least on paper.
Labels: department issues, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
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Yes get officers out of schools. Seems like to many layers of security.
Aviation police were armed just a few years ago.. That was taken away because they were highly incompetent and caught on numerous occasions stealing money, baggage etc.. Not gonna happen. You would be better off with Monterrey security over most of the aviation clowns
Comment on “With regard to Lappe…" Well said.
Mike Lappe hasn’t totally changed. The pension board has magnified his worst traits plus a side of paranoia.
Per Mike Lappe, every po is out to defraud the pension. Some are. I’ve been to a few meetings. I’ve seen the police trustees vote for and against pos. Lappe is often at odds with the other 3 police trustees, voting WITH team-Rahm on cases that are clearly legit disabilities. He turns red and jumps around in his seat, voting emotionally instead of following standards for assessing disability benefits. He disrespects po’s who come before the board. You can deny someone benefits without ridiculing them.
Lappe discusses po cases and pers medical information - usually embedded in a story about how smart he is and how he screwed some po. That conduct should have ensured his removal from the pension board two years ago. I assumed he was ready to retire, go off the board - problem solved. But no. He is running again for a year and some month term even though he knows he MUST retire and according to statute, he MUST go off the board. Does he think Rahm-con will change the retirement rules or the legislature will change the statute for Mike Lappe and allow him to stay? That makes perfect sense - the pension represented by not ONE but TWO retirees while the police rank and file have no representation. It will be a shit show if he runs, bullshit is we have another election in 16 mos, and a much bigger shit show on this blog and everywhere if he wins this mini term and then tries to stay post mandatory.
I have been to disability meetings, never pension fund meetings. At OUR meetings, Mike flails around when asked about funding % and what we pay to manage our pension money and what kind of investments we’re in. He doesn’t seem to know ANYTHING about it. That’s HALF the job! The disability payouts while important are small $$ compared to the money we need to make up in the pension fund.
I would love to be on the pension board but I am no more qualified than Lappe. At least I accept it. I know Mike Hayes. He’s a smart guy. He has a law degree which is useful on the pension board. We need someone to be fair and reasonable about disability cases and protect and grow our pension. It's that simple.
Mike Hayes, running?
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With regard to Lappe...
I don't think anyone would argue that Mike is a hero for surviving such a horrific attack. Instead of collecting disability, he fought his way to come back on the job. Prior to the pension board position, Mike would give any p.o. the shirt off his back. He is an inspiration for those who have suffered traumatic injuries.
With that said, Mike has changed since he started his position at the pension board. He guards our disability money like he is guarding his own savings account. In his defense, if you are collecting disability while hunting wild game in Africa, you deserve to get caught. However, there are police officers who have legitimate illnesses. Mike thinks everyone is an asshole attempting to scam the system. He has divulged officers' personal medical information in casual conversation and has difficulty remaining impartial during disability decisions. He is unprofessional and unethical.
We will all suffer from an illness or disease at one point in our lives. We are not immortal. If Mike remains in his position, you better hope that you don't get sick while on the job. It appears as though he is working for the mayor. As police officers, we are not allowed to collect Social Security benefits. Disability is a necessity for many officers. Ask yourself, would you want to drive into shots fired with an officer who had four heart attacks or just completed a second round of chemo? The answer is no.
Finally, it is interesting that our FOP president is collecting disability while representing us. Has Lappe gone after him? Instead of attacking all sick and injured officers, we should impose restrictions on receiving disability benefits. An officer cannot work another job while receiving a check…
DOA doesn't do case reports. The airports are still in Chicago. They can't take a Chicago report. They can't inventory property. They cant process an arrest. Hell, they don't even take a lost bag back to the airline's lost and found. They can't write tickets unless they're on the airfield. They can't write traffic accident reports (O'Hare has stretches on Mannheim Rd, Irving Park Rd, and roads within the airport that are Chicago that aren't patrolled by 016).
Commander TA of the airports just shit his Depends. He's never commanded a district, and he wouldn't know what to do if he ends up in a place where he can't offer parking to his friends who are going on vacation. He's had a good run - Hillard ensured that he was a merit promotion to lieutenant, and Grau got him promoted to the command ranks. Maybe it's time to retire.
There's only one big Problem , They forgot to give them Guns , and believe me some of those Morons in Aviation Police they should really get rid of. God forgive anyone give some of those idiots a Gun , One Moron recently came in from the TSA Dept and you should see that piece of work.
"The schools aren't looking to start their students down their life paths with criminal records. Most offenses are disciplinary in nature and the schools would rather have "in-house suspensions" than jail a kid."
Miami Dade Schools did this. Don't lock the little darling up, jusr give him/her a suspension and let them roam the streets. They ignored a student caught at school with burglar tools and swag from a burglary. How well did that work out for Trayvon Martin?
IMO what happened was worse for George Zimmerman. He lost his job, his wife, his reputation, and has whackjobs gunning for him. Trayvon has the peace of the dead at least.
Good suggestions SCC, but even if the unit in question were closed tomorrow, a command structure would not vanish and those officers would not be reassigned to districts. Some people on this job that we all signed on to do are too special to work a car on the street. And as to reducing command positions with their attendant staffs, well that will never do. The Democrat Party Machine benefits from having so many people with the rank of commander or above. It's a money laundering scheme with tax payer dollars, you see. The Machine appoints a Capt or Commander or Deputy, and they kick back 10 g's of their (tax payer funded) salary back to the Party, or some political individual embedded therein. There is no other way to explain that in spite of 3 district closings, there are over 40 individuals on this Department with the rank of Commander or above. Look at the Department's command structure on CLEAR sometime and count the pictures if you don't believe me.
Chicago ghetto kids suck. I almost got shanked in a stampede at one of our schools. These fuckin' animals need tamers, not cops.
CPD out of the high schools.
Ever read an arrest report by the officers in the schools?
"Lil Joey Jagbags got into a fight in the school hallway of 'any high school'. School security broke up the fight and brought Joey Jagbags to the police room where he was placed under arrest.
Why not bring Joey Jagbags to the security office and call police? Where he was placed under arrest taken to the station and the arresting officers WENT BACK ON PATROL!
They say the the police officers get their pay reimbursed from the Board of Ed. If that's true your saving money on both ends! Hire more off duty at a cheaper rate and more police to cover the street.
Can anyone tell me why it takes 2 separate police departments to police the airports in chiraq? There is a CPD unit assigned at both airports 24/7 and the department of aviation police also at both airports. Seems like a bunch of money is being spent twice for the same thing!
They're just another useless police force, just like those Secretary of State police.
Some of the North side schools are so quiet - why do we have officers at the better schools like Northside Prep ?
If CPD were out of the airports,where would all the clout baby's go?
"Aviation police are already sworn officers, they are eligible for gobs of federal money, they have enough toys to do the job, they know the territory - they just can't be armed on airport property for some unknown reason..."
It's because you can't "offend" or "frighten" people who got on the plane in a wild, uncivilized place like England or France or Germany, where the coppers were walking 2-by-2 with MP5s.
I'm surprised that Rahm' s police umbrella holders didn't make these suggestions already to gain favor.
LMAO, give APD the airports? Oh thats a brilliant fucking idea.
It sounds good on paper but they are not police nor have they ever been. They are an old time Chicago patronage job and by definition security guards. If an old timer wants to spend his last couple years healing his mind and body before retirement GOD BLESS them they EARNED it.
The problem with taking us out of the schools is that CPS "pays" for one of the PO's assigned there. They paid for two until about 3 years ago.
Good try, but you're never gonna get LSC's & principals in da hood to give up school officers. Besides, the officers are paid for by CPS.
Couple years ago, Orr, a shithole high school in 011, had the bright idea to get rid of their school officers. Bad Idea. Next thing ya know, the dingbat principal was calling in large gang fights everyday at dismissal. It got so bad, the 3rd watch wagon, along with two other units, were dispatched there right out of roll call everyday. Finally, somebody concluded "fuck it!" Officers were put back in the school this year.
I'm guessing that same scenario would play out at a lot of other hood high schools.
Airport unarmed due to the ravings of....Shortshanks! Someone else could fix this.
CPS pays CPD for the officers from the school patrol unit.
The only reason that Emperor Daley disarmed the Aviation Police was that he wanted to eliminate them like he did the CHA PD. Now i remember there was only one reason to disband both forces - they were not his people since the PD's were started by Mayor Washington. The Federal Aviation Authority gave the DOA PD funds to start the agency which the city would have had to reimburse if they disbanded. So Richie the Thief disarmed the agency thinking that they would resign. Some did, while others went to nearby suburban agencies and be became part time officers. The suburb now had a trained/certified PO and the DOA officer could carry without worrying about violating a DOA General Order & other legal problems. So now we have the only airport with an unarmed force. The FAA was still concerned since most of the perimeter is patrolled by the unarmed DOA PD. Cargo/Service gates are also staffed by DOA.
Richie kept stating that they could be effective w/o being armed. We all remember how anti-gun he was, especially opposing HR 218 allowing peace officers to carry nationwide. One more case of monumental mismanagement. So when you watch the media ooh & ahh over the Redmoon nonsense at Northerly Island - remember how the Emperor dug two big XX on the runway of Meigs Field and effectively closed an airport by an Emperor's decree. CAN'T DISBAND? DISARM!! 🔫🚔
The problem with arming Aviation police goes to the FOP contract somewhere in eons past. As I recall the city is not allowed to create another armed police agency to do an end around on the FOP. By creating another armed agency the city could just expand and expand it and never hire again for CPD until it faded from the face of the earth. That was the way it was explained to me in eons past. I don't believe the provision I'm talking about allows for the Aviation Police to be folded into CPD either.
You are unfortunately advocating for fewer Police. The Aviation Police are a creation of a former Deputy who played tough guy from his inside forever career, and made a few boy-wonder stripes and bars out of his Deputy Orifice. The Airport should be patrolled by uniform Patrol Officers contributing to our pension as in the past, not a sub-pay category un armed bunch of political hires. The High Schools were patrolled by uniformed officers from the former Youth division, yeah they had a spot but weren't YO's getting step increases, but contributed to our pension and numbers even when it was School Patrol. And lest we forget Loop Traffic and the jobs we lost to traffic aids who come out alder-creature orifices and again diminish our numbers. We have lost jobs and will continue as long as we have silly putty labor leadership.
Aviation Police are too old and too highly incompetent hacks. They can't do arrests, simple case reports, lost and found reports, traffic accidents, warrant arrests, inventory's, or traffic other than on the airfield. They don't know what probable cause is to even make a stop. I've seen them in action, usually sleeping or sitting four deep at the information booth looking at their phones. As useless as some of the people assigned to 050 now are, DOA is even worse. And if you're going to talk bad about the Commander, at last man up and say it to him. CPD is needed at the airports.
Can anyone tell me why it takes 2 separate police departments to police the airports in chiraq? There is a CPD unit assigned at both airports 24/7 and the department of aviation police also at both airports. Seems like a bunch of money is being spent twice for the same thing!
9/26/2015 06:38:00 AM
Same thing? Hardly! Remember in the projects, CPD was referred to as 5-0, and CHA CHAs were referred to as 2.5's?
These stooges are about a .01
Access control, observe and report. That's even too much for them to handle. There are sprinkles of really good people who try , genuinely try. One curveball though: forget it
Unfortunate but true
"It got so bad, the 3rd watch wagon, along with two other units, were dispatched there right out of roll call everyday."
9/26/2015 08:32:00 AM
Blows my mind. I went through CPS K-through-8 without ONCE seeing a police officer in there. Probably many high schools in that time were about the same. Today, it's like you need PH1 up there directing every day when they get out and head for the CTA...always felt so bad for unwitting seniors, etc. just coming home from the doctor on the bus when the wave hit.
"Good try, but you're never gonna get LSC's & principals in da hood to give up school officers. Besides, the officers are paid for by CPS.
9/26/2015 08:32:00 AM"
"CPS pays CPD for the officers from the school patrol unit".
9/26/2015 08:46:00 AM
Do you two geniuses know who pays the CPS? Here is a hint, the same people who pay you!
"CPS (i.e., taxpayers again) pays CPD for the officers from the school patrol unit."
9/26/2015 08:46:00 AM
Maybe some efficiencies could be introduced here?
All you can do in this town is make a Novena...
Is that "Sentinelus Security" or whatever it was called still waddlin around CTA? Great God, watch some of them try to heave out of the little car to do a "station check," you weren't sure if they were going to make it.
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The problem with arming Aviation police goes to the FOP contract somewhere in eons past. As I recall the city is not allowed to create another armed police agency to do an end around on the FOP. By creating another armed agency the city could just expand and expand it and never hire again for CPD until it faded from the face of the earth. That was the way it was explained to me in eons past. I don't believe the provision I'm talking about allows for the Aviation Police to be folded into CPD either.
9/26/2015 09:45:00 AM
No. Daley didn't like the visual of armed police being one of the first things tourists saw as they came through the airport. Thought it was a bad first impression. So, no scary guns.
Later, this was overcome by Fed monies funding all sorts of armed CPD initiatives.
There is NO good reason for sworn police officers at an international airport (i.e. a major terrorist target) to be unarmed. An unarmed officer is no more helpful than a barista under those circumstances.
OT would Com Ed give this break to a business from my experience no.
When the electricity at the South Side church run by U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois, was cut off in July 2010, a longtime benefactor who’d sought help from the federal government came to the rescue, records obtained by the Better Government Association and Chicago Sun-Times show.
The records show Oxford Media Group Inc., an Oak Brook company owned by multimillionaire businessman Joseph Stroud, paid the bill — which was well past due, totaling $17,900 owed to Commonwealth Edison.
The UIC, UoC and other university police are certified and have there jurisdiction boundaries, same could apply to the federally funded airports. Certainly ol Rahm has looked or will be looking into downsizing the CPD presence in these units and the high schools, (do they still assign 4-6 beat cars for dismissals)?
If some up and coming gold star is looking into manpower needs and figures the necessity for calls for service, case reports, arrests, inventories and traffic accident reports generated by the schools and airports, he would easily find that the actual work load is quite sparse. These units have always been a oasis and I wouldn't put it past the mayor and the supe to diminish these spots is some way.
I thinks they'd rather empty Call Back, schools, airports than clean out HQ. The budget is coming and there will be cuts.
Never trust a Democrat.
I'm a school officer and i can only speak for my hs, but most of those statements are false:
CPS has hundreds of security officers on staff (not true! might see them once a year!)
They work school hours (good luck getting them at your dismissal!)
The schools even have a "mobile citywide force" to go to problem schools when trouble is expected (yeah, the next day if you are lucky and most principals don't ask for them or they are at the really problem schools!)
there are already off-duty coppers/sheriffs earning Social Security credits (not true, most are plain crappy security guards that do nothing, we have 3 for our hs!)
they are supplemented by one/two CPD officers per high school(YEAH, with 600-1000 kids!)
Most offenses are disciplinary in nature and the schools would rather have "in-house suspensions" (not true, cps has made it harder to suspend kids and most are battery offensives/some on security/teachers/po's and they want an arrest)
So get the cops out and you'll suddenly see another hundred cops on the streets (in my district it would be 10, get ready for the rap from all the jobs we handle daily without even getting on the radio!)
so if you wanna be stuck inside a noisy chaotic environment, with multiple incidents you have to handle daily, with absolutely no backup from the 3rd watch (they are in a rap every day!), and deal with the ahole kids, parents, teachers and principals, come aboard!!!!
there are a lot of DOA guys who i would be scared to give a gun to. Some are political hacks and some probably Fed status quo.Some are also retired P.O. s. City is too busy stealing the federal money to disband either one. Disband the CPD and almost all will retire and you would have gained nothing for the districts. Got to remember the airlines are the ones paying for the P.O.s so why this is even an issue about saving money is beyond me.
Aviation police and CPD are paid from funding for security "read the extra fee when you buy a ticket to fly" airport coppers had overtime because they are extremely short, but it was all taken away to obviously funnel the millions elsewhere, if the airlines really knew what was happening with millions they would be outraged! So would the ticket purchased by the flying public! DOA is no different that for example university of Chicago coppers same thing, same training why not arm them? Ridiculous many good DOA coppers but the he goofy boss at Ohare that drew the attention of the media needs to be relocated another terry Williams style move! That could be "change we could believe in!" Who is "lightbright" without a light?
Why do some morons insist on downsizing the CPD. Don't you realize once a spot is gone that's one less PO they have to hire. Remember when the detail unit was huge. They gutted it and gave the job to TMA's. Those spots are gone forever. Think of the hit to our pension. Screw DOA police. They are scabs If anything bulk up Airport Law Enforcement and get rid of DOA po po.
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If the police protect the ghetto rats I want them protecting good kids. Remember PO Irma Ruiz killed in the line of duty protecting public school kids from a gun toting ahole. If I got her name wrong I'm sorry. It could happen at Northside Prep, Payton, or Jones just as easily. Cops in schools protect kids.
What about more aggressive ticketing for "blocking the box" during rush hour commutes? I am extremely conservative - and given the choice between higher taxes and stricter enforcement of the existing laws, I'd gladly choose the latter. Especially in this case, where a driver pushing their way into a blocked intersection only screws up the flow of traffic and saves them... seconds in their commute. Hell of a lot more palatable to me than red light cameras, speeding cameras, and higher property taxes.
NYC had this down pat when I lived there. Tickets were written within seconds, also gave cops a chance to verify registration sticker, inspection sticker, etc and ticket for those as appropriate. I think they even expanded from considering this a moving violation to a parking violation (I don't know how) so meter maids could issue tickets as well as cops.
Arm the Aviation Police, supplement them with Full & part-time retired CPD, and remove active CPD from the Airports except for some left as Liasons.
Aviation is chocked full of people fired by other departments, fired from CPD, maybe half of them are over 65 years old, and a lot are people that were clouted in and couldn't ever get hired as a copper anywhere else. The department is run by a FIREMAN! One guy was fired from a bunch of south suburbs and even got arrested by CPD and is still here. They should just abolish that department and make those posts that they covered (sat at, actually, reading, texting on their phones), special employment spots for CPD. Arming them? Hell no. And as far as them carrying a gun off duty? Ask them what orders they have in place for carrying a gun off duty, or if they are involved in an off duty shooting. NONE. They make the old CHA police look like a professional, top flight agency. All they are is a bunch of over the hill, can't get hired anywhere else, overly paid, security guards. Rham wants to save money, get rid of these guys, or pay them $16.00 hour as guards.
There's always someone out there trying to put down or hold down someone else's advancement opportunities to hold on to power, or make them believe they are something special. The bottom line is anyone can be the police, it's not rocket science. That's is why police are called first responders, because we don't prevent things from happening, we just come when you call because as we all know, society get paid from discunctional behavior. So all you DOAPD haters out there, stop haten, it's enough disfunction at ohare for 2 police depts.
Chicago's finest has now become the ohare airport passenger police. Lmao.
For the record i work as a police Sargent and have been for the last 20 years for a south suburban police department that borders the CPD 8th dist. im writing today to let all the readers on here know a little about a few APD officers that work part-time with my department. First of all let me express the shame i feel that you officers can speak so harsh about the APD officers and you probably have not even meet one. we are all officers, from state to county to local which is you (CPD) to the feds. there fucking killing us out there, but your willing to talk crap about other departments. we all have love ones to come home to. there is no difference from me or any officers. the job is already hard as it is, to have us fight each other is crap. the APD officers that work for us are a bunch of great officers. for the crap pay they get they stand next to us on front line with heart and not afraid. Most of the APD officers have been here over 15 years and have done a great job. why the city has not armed the aviation police department is crazy. i hope we officers can find it in our hearts to stop this crap talking. if you were in a 10-1 and getting your ass beat im sure you would not tell the APD officers who showed up unarmed to help , no thanks ill keep getting my ass beat until one of mine ever shows up.... i know that if the APD officers ever get armed they will do a great job at the airports. by the way my part-time officers carry, Tasers, Glock 22 (40 cal) and M-4 Rifles and drive 99 all night handling calls right along with us...
STRENGTH AND HONOR TO MY FOLLOW OFFICERS, BECAUSE ITS JUST US...........
"Good try, but you're never gonna get LSC's & principals in da hood to give up school officers. Besides, the officers are paid for by CPS."
School Officers aren't unique to da hood. Taft HS has an Officer assigned there since the 70s.
FLOP has nothing to do with arming the aviation police!!!! The Daly crime family didn't want them armed.... The CPD units will never leave the airport! The airport is a great spot for a kid with clout to hide.... The aviation police also a great job for the clouted,,,, so they will be there forever and unarmed..... The aviation police are state qualified to carry!!!
Lots of misinformation about the Aviation Police out there. First they were never armed, ever. Although they've been state certified since the early 90's they were never armed. Since Shakman 14, 15 years ago all hiring has been done by a oral interview panel rather than a written test with everything else mirroring CPD. Same background check, psych screening, POWER test and State certification exam and, oh yeah, the interview panel was monitored by a federal monitor. They also have a separate federal background check before they get an airport access card. The new hires do 640 hours in our Academy, shoot between 1200 and 1500 rounds at the range and have to meet the same standards as we do. They also have to do the same State mandated firearm requalification every year to maintain their certification. More than half the new hires (over 100 in last 6 years) are military vets with most having done at least one tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. They also have the same education requirement as CPD. Around 20-25 % work as part time officers in other jurisdictions, towns like Maywood, Bellwood, Summit, the Village of Golf, and a bunch of others. Aviation pay averages about 10 percent less at 25 years, something most officers accept because they know it's not the same as pushing a squad around a fast district for 8 hours. The pay differential is more than 20% during the middle years because they still have 12 step increases. It makes great economic sense to have a separate force at the airport because it's less costly. Why pay CPD salary for a much different job? They aren't looking to replace anyone, if the department wants to keep a place for officers that don't want to work the street anymore and have the connections to get their spot at the airport so be it. What they want to be able to do is defend themselves and the public from an LAX type active shooter (offender stopped by an airport police officer) or a Mumbai type attack. If your wife or kids were flying from O'Hare or Midway wouldn't you want them to be as safe as possible?
Can anyone tell me why it takes 2 separate police departments to police the airports in chiraq? There is a CPD unit assigned at both airports 24/7 and the department of aviation police also at both airports. Seems like a bunch of money is being spent twice for the same thing!
9/26/2015 06:38:00 AM
I can tell you. There is actually only one police agency at the airports, the Chicago Police. As an Aviation officer, we are responsible for access control, not criminal incidents. One of your former retired bosses wanted to get us armed a short while back so they increased our training so we could be armed. They were adamant about calling us police. I never understood why. Maybe the boss felt bad without a gun at work, who knows. We don't do the same job. We are over trained for our duties. It's a burden. I'm 68. A lot of my coworkers are past 63 and many are in short are certifiable mental. The young ones are out of control. Anyone who just has to have a gun even though they don't need one has a serious issue. These guys are wacko. I'm happy doing my job and letting CPD do theirs. To my coworkers...cool it guys. This is not good press for us.
To 9:24 Daley never disarmed the DOA officers. They were never armed to begin with. They were security up until recently when they started being called police. Get your facts straight.
The aviation "police" (who are by title security) are a bunch of political hacks who couldn't make it or got canned from real departments. They can't have guns because they are inept.
And they shouldn't be carrying off duty either, because their GO forbids it. I don't care what house bill they think they fall under. If they're carrying off duty, their department would fire them. You will find better college cops than aviation security.
It is a matter of competence. Not that the CPD who are at the airports are much better. Old and riding into the sunset as they may be, most of them can hardly walk without getting out of breath. Their 25 years on shouldn't entitle them to put themselves and everyone they are supposed to protect at risk.
The airports are soft targets because of the joke manpower, regardless of whether it's CPD or aviation "police" (who can't make arrests) and the sheeple of Chicago should be outraged if they knew how vulnerable they are.
If the police protect the ghetto rats I want them protecting good kids. Remember PO Irma Ruiz killed in the line of duty protecting public school kids from a gun toting ahole. If I got her name wrong I'm sorry. It could happen at Northside Prep, Payton, or Jones just as easily. Cops in schools protect kids.
9/26/2015 02:15:00 PM
You did get her name right and I would also like to mention the other hero coppper, Greg Jaglowski. They saved many lives that day and should NEVER be forgotten.
The thing is though, they were not assigned to Monte Fiore, they were there responding to a job.
I totally agree police officer out of high schools Now !!! No reason to have them there .waste. Of money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"...remember how the Emperor dug two big XX on the runway of Meigs Field and effectively closed an airport by an Emperor's decree."
9/26/2015 09:24:00 AM
Yes, and I seem to remember that the dirty deed was done at night, under floodlights...
Tired now, but have to look it up. I got the impression FAA got about two minutes notice...
Daley became famous in "general aviation" circles, where he will always be hated. Like he cares.
Now HERE is someone who deserves to be called a "pig."
Soo-EEE, you little motherf__er -- and I do mean "little."
"Anyone who just has to have a gun even though they don't need one has a serious issue. These guys are wacko. I'm happy doing my job and letting CPD do theirs. To my coworkers...cool it guys. This is not good press for us."
9/26/2015 10:21:00 PM
Uh huh. Pasted this together from the posts before it?
Whelp, you're so demoralizing, whelp.
Go clean the coffeemaker and put some paper in the Xerox machine. There's not much here for you anymore.
"...as we all know, society get paid from discunctional behavior."
9/26/2015 04:55:00 PM
Go on.
i know a bunch of CPD coppers who shouldn't have guns let alone be coppers. DOA police should be armed and they have been at the airport long before the 1990's. Very smart to have an unarmed " guard " protecting the entrance where jet fuel is delivered through! Take the politics out of public safety .
As was said, aviation was never armed. They were originally security, then public safety for a while,and finally called police about 10 years ago. Then, when Mauer got there, the big push to arm them, so he could continue to be the "Big Cheese" of something. This joint could be abolished and save millions of $$$. Make it either a contract security guard spot, or even better, a CPD special employment spot to cover their posts. As far as the CPD Commander at the airports, the only hate being spewed at him here is from disgruntled aviation "police" because one of their morons was waltzing around with an empty holster, outside of airport property, looking stupid to an outside police department. Commander there has always been a good guy and goes out of his way to help out coppers whenever he can. Sorry, he's not a fireman like aviation's chief is. These aviation guys should shut the fuck up, take the job for what it is, before they have no department. And no, I never worked at the airports, except way back when they would detail tac teams there for traffic control during the holidays back in the 80's.
to post at 9/26/2015 05:07:00 PM:
You got guys working for you that use that aviation spot for what it is, a security gig that gets you certified. They work police in your burb, but why aren't they working full time there?
Oh, and for a guy that's been a "Sargent" for 20 years, take a glance down at that star you wear and learn how to spell your rank.
Do you two geniuses know who pays the CPS? Here is a hint, the same people who pay you!
Hey, fellow genius: We were simply informing those WHO DON"T KNOW, that there is a tangible reason for why Commanders can't just yank coppers out of the the schools.
Blows my mind. I went through CPS K-through-8 without ONCE seeing a police officer in there. Probably many high schools in that time were about the same. Today, it's like you need PH1 up there directing every day when they get out and head for the CTA...always felt so bad for unwitting seniors, etc. just coming home from the doctor on the bus when the wave hit.
9/26/2015 11:42:00 AM
My mind is equally blown.
I was born and raised on the west side. Came up in the 70's.
In high school we, like most kids were rowdy on CTA buses to and from school. BUT, we still respected adults back then. If we got too TOO loud, and an ederly person told us to pipe down, we piped the fuck down. Might've said some some shit under our breath...but would never disrespect or confront an older person. We just weren't raised that way. Hell, even the bus driver could make us tone it down.
we all know what would happen to an elderly person or bus driver who'd dare confront today's ghetto rats.
What happened to the PEDWAY!?
""It is a matter of competence. Not that the CPD who are at the airports are much better. Old and riding into the sunset as they may be, most of them can hardly walk without getting out of breath. Their 25 years on shouldn't entitle them to put themselves and everyone they are supposed to protect at risk. ""
Actually we walk 10 to 20 miles a day since we have no choice, "remember that when the PAR forms come out". And I still have my boxing gear if you ever want to talk your shit to my face, "Jesus typical Kiddie cop". Shooting skills-wise your not even in my league.
If seniority doesnt entitle you to something then be prepared to become entitled to nothing. "Clout" will then control "everything". Or are you to fucking dumb to figure that one out? Next will be furloughs, days off, over time, bids. Why do I even have to explain this?
""The airports are soft targets because of the joke manpower, regardless of whether it's CPD or aviation "police" (who can't make arrests) and the sheeple of Chicago should be outraged if they knew how vulnerable they are.""
The only joke is the lack of manpower. That and 50% of the airport detail is management. But some management people are good, a few are very good. About the same as the bids. Some aviation people are good. Some are just young kids aching to do something positive like we were all those years ago.
Dont even tell me that the "real Police" are in the districts sonny. I was in them back when you were in shit diapers whining for Momma's tit. If you dont have 20+ years on then you never even saw the "real Police". Think we dont know whats out in those beat car's?
If anyone should know its unfair to tag entire organizations/units it should be a copper. We are lambasted daily due to the perma-press we wear and not because who and what we are individually. Your post indicates a tendency toward ignorance and douchebaggery. BTW I think the sheeple of this city are busy being outraged that their city itself is a soft target.
We have always treated the APD with the same respect we would any other copper at the airports. Some, on either side, are assholes but thats to be expected. Like with this Op, who talks shit about us but never fails to dial up his free taxi when coming in or out. OH, and BTW, your an asshole!
Maybe the 68 year old Aviation guy should find another job! Since 9/11 the world and the threat has grown exponentially! If someone isn't willing or able to address the new threat he shouldn't be there. The job announcement posted by HR specifically says that Aviation officers will enforce city, state and federal laws and regulations, make arrests and coordinate with CPD to process and prosecute the offender. Under Mauer and before they made hundreds of arrests and had the relationship with CPD to do the processing and then appear in court. They aren't allowed to make the arrest now. When they do catch a guy with a gun who breaches a post or a stolen car with offenders they have to turn it all over to CPD who then write a report showing them as the hero.
These officer in schools really believe they are the only ones from keeping all those young autistic youth terrorist under control.
From the number of reports i see from schools none are generated by on duty school officers. (I know you cant use a paper report yawn...)
Then all the case report with student named as offender and still NO arrest? (I know you are by yourself and have no cage car YAWN...)
The principal ordered these officer not to arrest anyone??? May be a security company's should take it over city wide. RAHM knows many so called SECURITY experts who can manage NAVY PIER and MERCHANDISE MART.
The officers in the school don't even right school zone parking ticket because the principal doe not want to cause waves.
Arming the "Aviation Police " and bestowing arrest power on them is just a signature away. They are police academy graduates state certified having gone thru the Chicago police academy. Before the creation of unit 050&051 in the mid 1990's there was one (1) copper from 008 sent to midway and 016 provided a cop or 2 to Ohare . It makes no sense to have an unarmed guard assigned to a traffic gate just feet away from active runways! Yes he DOA is loaded with political hacks but so is the CPD. The airports bring millions of $$$$$$ to the city everyday. Yet for the life of me why would they not be concerned about puplic safety .
TA commander of the airports is a joke! For that matter he's hiding out just like the rest of the coppers there.
Apologies for any misdirected or snappy comments last night. The bunch in this here bar is too nice for that. >grin< We don't see each other face-to-face, don't get any cues asides from letters on a screen, so sometimes it is too easy to go off.
As always -- stay safe and God bless all here, and thank you SCC for the wonderful forum we have. Don't know how you do it sometimes, but I know everyone appreciates it.
Yes, arm the Aviation Police ( and I use that term with humor) and take all police officers out of the schools and watch the fun began.
After reading these posts regarding the aviation police, lots of opposing views by people who claim to work with them. Strange,both positions can't be true.
Great idea even better SCC why not have securitas or dig by security protect King rahm? Would save us millions and the pension fund would save without the bodyguards get undeserved sergeants and commanders pension when their rank I'd d-1 patrolman anyone at pension board listening? #saveourpension #letusvoteonundeservedpensions!
To 1:26pm ....Umm the CPD boss wasn't goofy, the aviation officer was. Who walks around a federal airport with an empty holster? Especially during the week of 9/11? Not only are you guys goofs but you are out of uniform. What kind of security could you provide in such a state. Get over yourselves and learn to be professional. Not professional whiners.
Anonymous said...
"For the record i work as a police Sargent and have been for the last 20 years for a south suburban police department that borders the CPD 8th dist."
You've been a Sergeant for 20 years and still don't know how to spell the word? WTF!
If the police protect the ghetto rats I want them protecting good kids.
DAM RIGHT!!!
And therein lies the difference in how the school officer position is viewed.
If you're in a south or west side shithole district, school officer isn't desirable. In fact, in some of the worst districts, it's filled be reverse seniority, because almost nobody wants it.
Conversely, it's quite the desired spot in some north side districts.
Straight Days...Straight Weekends Off. And pretty much nothing to do but shoot the shit & surf the web all day.
The common link between the aviation police and the cpd is the incompetent leadership. Why should the airport be any different then the rest of the city?
Then there's skipper!
I can tell you. There is actually only one police agency at the airports, the Chicago Police. As an Aviation officer, we are responsible for access control, not criminal incidents. One of your former retired bosses wanted to get us armed a short while back so they increased our training so we could be armed. They were adamant about calling us police. I never understood why. Maybe the boss felt bad without a gun at work, who knows. We don't do the same job. We are over trained for our duties. It's a burden. I'm 68. A lot of my coworkers are past 63 and many are in short are certifiable mental. The young ones are out of control. Anyone who just has to have a gun even though they don't need one has a serious issue. These guys are wacko. I'm happy doing my job and letting CPD do theirs. To my coworkers...cool it guys. This is not good press for us.
9/26/2015 10:21:00 PM
A voice of reason. You are 100% correct sir or madam. The younger ones think that wearing something bulky at their hip, covered, like a phone or another object gives them the appearance of being armed. Everyone thinks they look like idiots.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can anyone tell me why it takes 2 separate police departments to police the airports in chiraq? There is a CPD unit assigned at both airports 24/7 and the department of aviation police also at both airports. Seems like a bunch of money is being spent twice for the same thing!
9/26/2015 06:38:00 AM
Only one is the real police...
DOA, only good for opening the gates.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Arm the Aviation Police, supplement them with Full & part-time retired CPD, and remove active CPD from the Airports except for some left as Liasons.
9/26/2015 03:44:00 PM
that's just stupid. Just be glad you can say you are
the DOA "police" LoL
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lots of misinformation about the Aviation Police out there. First they were never armed, ever. Although they've been state certified since the early 90's they were never armed. Since Shakman 14, 15 years ago all hiring has been done by a oral interview panel rather than a written test with everything else mirroring CPD. Same background check, psych screening, POWER test and State certification exam and, oh yeah, the interview panel was monitored by a federal monitor. They also have a separate federal background check before they get an airport access card. The new hires do 640 hours in our Academy, shoot between 1200 and 1500 rounds at the range and have to meet the same standards as we do. They also have to do the same State mandated firearm requalification every year to maintain their certification. More than half the new hires (over 100 in last 6 years) are military vets with most having done at least one tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. They also have the same education requirement as CPD. Around 20-25 % work as part time officers in other jurisdictions, towns like Maywood, Bellwood, Summit, the Village of Golf, and a bunch of others. Aviation pay averages about 10 percent less at 25 years, something most officers accept because they know it's not the same as pushing a squad around a fast district for 8 hours. The pay differential is more than 20% during the middle years because they still have 12 step increases. It makes great economic sense to have a separate force at the airport because it's less costly. Why pay CPD salary for a much different job? They aren't looking to replace anyone, if the department wants to keep a place for officers that don't want to work the street anymore and have the connections to get their spot at the airport so be it. What they want to be able to do is defend themselves and the public from an LAX type active shooter (offender stopped by an airport police officer) or a Mumbai type attack. If your wife or kids were flying from O'Hare or Midway wouldn't you want them to be as safe as possible?
9/26/2015 10:14:00 PM
Not all, but ALOT of the doa are morons. I'd rather take my chances than arm them. You would too.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For the record i work as a police Sargent and have been for the last 20 years for a south suburban police department that borders the CPD 8th dist. im writing today to let all the readers on here know a little about a few APD officers that work part-time with my department. First of all let me express the shame i feel that you officers can speak so harsh about the APD officers and you probably have not even meet one. we are all officers, from state to county to local which is you (CPD) to the feds. there fucking killing us out there, but your willing to talk crap about other departments. we all have love ones to come home to. there is no difference from me or any officers. the job is already hard as it is, to have us fight each other is crap. the APD officers that work for us are a bunch of great officers. for the crap pay they get they stand next to us on front line with heart and not afraid. Most of the APD officers have been here over 15 years and have done a great job. why the city has not armed the aviation police department is crazy. i hope we officers can find it in our hearts to stop this crap talking. if you were in a 10-1 and getting your ass beat im sure you would not tell the APD officers who showed up unarmed to help , no thanks ill keep getting my ass beat until one of mine ever shows up.... i know that if the APD officers ever get armed they will do a great job at the airports. by the way my part-time officers carry, Tasers, Glock 22 (40 cal) and M-4 Rifles and drive 99 all night handling calls right along with us...
STRENGTH AND HONOR TO MY FOLLOW OFFICERS, BECAUSE ITS JUST US...........
9/26/2015 05:07:00 PM
sarge,
yew make alot of good poynts. us doa are da bomb. we ken evin rite good reports like you dew. i hope i can have a gun soon two.
"My mind is equally blown.
I was born and raised on the west side. Came up in the 70's.
In high school we, like most kids were rowdy on CTA buses to and from school. BUT, we still respected adults back then. If we got too TOO loud, and an elderly person told us to pipe down, we piped the fuck down. Might've said some some shit under our breath...but would never disrespect or confront an older person. We just weren't raised that way. Hell, even the bus driver could make us tone it down.
we all know what would happen to an elderly person or bus driver who'd dare confront today's ghetto rats."
9/27/2015 08:25:00 AM
HEY, my friend, thanks for checking in.
My thing on the bus was always -- sit and be quiet and look at the wonderful show out the window, the whole city, every detail of the buildings, the people. Pay attention and take it all in. See how things work, how things change, how they stay the same. Would have been embarassed to bother anyone in any way.
Oh, sure, we got a little nutty on school buses for a field trip, that situation (not out there with the Real Grownups going about their business, who outnumbered you) but it was totally kid-harmless. Break in the school routine, big adventure, sure you are going to try to scare some girl (who you secretly like) with a plastic worm or something. That was as far as it ever got, one word from the front and we shut up.
A lot of kids today are frightening -- even white kids in Hiawatha Park (12-year-olds motherf__ing adults) or even 'way out in the western suburbs. You are relaxing, walking past, looks like peaceful scene under the trees, until you get close enough to hear the bullying and sexual dirt pouring out of them. It is like some kind of hate-cluster. Some years back, was on Kimball CTA bus, looking out the window, and tiny GIRL loitering outside HS, Nike beret, locks eyes with me, hot, hot, looking for trouble. Actually runs to get on the bus (which I don't think she'd planned on taking) and sit next to me, looking for some kind of rise. "You look at me, I keel you" kind of thing.
What keeps me going, what I try to think more of, is the many sweet, well-raised kids (and it doesn't take money) who call you "Sir" -- you can see that they are working hard at growing up and fitting into things. Makes me sad that I know they take a beating (verbal or physical) for having a five-minutes-ago cell phone or a "funny nose" or something. Older people don't hate kids, on the contrary, we have so much that we could teach, so much we'd like to pass along.
That is just the natural order of things -- but with the programmed destruction of A. the extended family B. the nuclear family and C. any interpersonal relationships at all, here we are. "Kill your parents. Don't trust anyone over thirty." as either Abbie Hoffman or Jerry Rubin told other people to do back in the '60s. One was eventually hit by a car, and I think the other passed from liver disease. Good riddance to both.
Yes, brother, it is a different world -- some things are miraculous, great improvements, others we could do entirely without.
Still love the city -- but I often wonder if is more my recollections of what we used to have here. Marshall Field's "Store For Men" with the seven-foot grizzly looking at you when you got off the elevator on 5 where the full-time gunsmiths worked. Someplace to go while the ladies looked at hats elsewhere, meet me back at the Walnut Room later. Everyone had "space" to "do their thing." Just -- normal.
Stay safe and God bless.
"What happened to the PEDWAY!?"
9/27/2015 09:25:00 AM
They tore it out because it was taking people past the concessions too fast, want them to A. lug their s__t on foot and B. spend money there.
Milk of human kindness, I know.
*
It is hilarious how many CPD people knock APD when it is brought up to arm them. Guess what, both departments have decent workers and some dogs. I know both airports many times work together. There are many departments CPD work with such as U of I Police, University of Chicago Police, Railroad and Metra Police, to name a few. There are good and so so on every department. Many APD Officers work in some shit suburbs part time and do a great job. It is not their fault or lack of knowledge that they don't do their own arrests, reports or enforce traffic laws. It is because of our worthless mayor and the puppet alderman. It is the same reason CPD does not carry shotguns or carbines in every squad car. The reason we aren't equipped with fire extinguishers or first aid kits. Every Department except CPD and APD are fully equipped for any situation. We are lucky to have a spare tire. How many years did it take for CPD to be allowed to carry striker fired pistols. How long did it take to allow CPD to carry carbines. Politics is the reason both CPD and APD are still in the dark ages. Just remember, if all hell breaks loose at the airports, CPD is fucked. At least if APD is armed there are more personnel to stop the threat. Instead of name calling and trying to block arming them, common sense says arming them is just a plus for both departments. How about thinking with common sense and realize our politicians are the reason none of us are properly equipped for our safety in this day and age. There are dogs everywhere, but there are more that are good cops who do a great job.
WTF???
You are unfortunately advocating for fewer Police. The Aviation Police are a creation of a former Deputy who played tough guy from his inside forever career, and made a few boy-wonder stripes and bars out of his Deputy Orifice. The Airport should be patrolled by uniform Patrol Officers contributing to our pension as in the past, not a sub-pay category un armed bunch of political hires. The High Schools were patrolled by uniformed officers from the former Youth division, yeah they had a spot but weren't YO's getting step increases, but contributed to our pension and numbers even when it was School Patrol. And lest we forget Loop Traffic and the jobs we lost to traffic aids who come out alder-creature orifices and again diminish our numbers. We have lost jobs and will continue as long as we have silly putty labor leadership.
SCC you know this is completely wrong or are yous just as big of a low grade moron as this author. GEABOD
Wow! Unbelievable as all this sounds most of it is true. CPD at the airport is a joke! The coppers assaigned to the airports are dog ass lazy. Clout rules at 050/051!
Chicago Park District used to have their own department
The CTA used to have their own police force too
Why were they dis banded?
New York currently has a few gun carrying police forces and every now and then they get into gun fights with each other not knowing that the other guy is the police too!
Hey SARGEANT learn how to spell SERGEANT. Try looking at your badge! LOL
9/27/2015 04:04:00 PM:
Hi A.M.
The APD is made up of people who are unable to get on the CPD. End of debate. The only thing they are capable of doing is contacting CPD anytime they run across even the smallest problem. When the shit hits the fan, and believe me - on occasion it does, they're nowhere to be found.
Hey 050 cpd unit. Since you are the REAL POLICE why don't you go to the districts and help out your family in blue. Leave the SECURITY work for us Aviation Police guys since we are access control. There Is alot of crime to be fought out In the streets. i will take my 33$ an hour job and sit at the Info booth.
3 rd watch officer H/K.
At 8:34 I am CPD in a fast and busy district and my cousin Is on APD. I worked special there alot and when did shit hit the fan? You mean like recovering a found bag? C 'mon lets be honest and real. You guys there do as much security work as the APD. Give them the guns so you can go 19 P the jobs.
APD nowhere to be found? You just described CPD assigned to the airport.
"Anonymous said...
For the record i work as a police Sargent and have been for the last 20 years for a south suburban police department that borders the CPD 8th dist. im writing today to let all the readers on here know a little about a few APD officers that work part-time with my department. First of all let me express the shame i feel that you officers can speak so harsh about the APD officers and you probably have not even meet one. we are all officers, from state to county to local which is you (CPD) to the feds. there fucking killing us out there, but your willing to talk crap about other departments. we all have love ones to come home to. there is no difference from me or any officers. the job is already hard as it is, to have us fight each other is crap. the APD officers that work for us are a bunch of great officers. for the crap pay they get they stand next to us on front line with heart and not afraid. Most of the APD officers have been here over 15 years and have done a great job. why the city has not armed the aviation police department is crazy. i hope we officers can find it in our hearts to stop this crap talking. if you were in a 10-1 and getting your ass beat im sure you would not tell the APD officers who showed up unarmed to help , no thanks ill keep getting my ass beat until one of mine ever shows up.... i know that if the APD officers ever get armed they will do a great job at the airports. by the way my part-time officers carry, Tasers, Glock 22 (40 cal) and M-4 Rifles and drive 99 all night handling calls right along with us...
STRENGTH AND HONOR TO MY FOLLOW OFFICERS, BECAUSE ITS JUST US...........
9/26/2015 05:07:00 PM"
Good try, Mr. Aviation - Part Time Summit copper. You gave yourself away, as "10-1" and "10-99" mean totally different things in Summit as it does on Chicago. And you are probably an Aviation "Sargent," as a 20 year Summit Sergeant would know how to spell his rank. Good going, showing your stupidity for all to see. Great way to fight for your cause. Just may have to make being part-time in Summit your full time job in the future. Now back to your guard shack and Netflix, no police work for you to do.
Anonymous said...
Hey 050 cpd unit. Since you are the REAL POLICE why don't you go to the districts and help out your family in blue. Leave the SECURITY work for us Aviation Police guys since we are access control. There Is alot of crime to be fought out In the streets. i will take my 33$ an hour job and sit at the Info booth.
3 rd watch officer H/K.
9/29/2015 09:47:00 AM
Case closed: no arming this mush please.
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