More CompStat Questions
Going over yesterday's top post, a number of commentators mentioned this:
- 002nd District Commander T Williams proves to all in attendance at COMPSTAT this a.m. that the Burger Queen was not the dumbest Commander ever. Paraphrasing the exchange.
Tracy: "Go on to the next shooting".
Williams: "I have to admit, this is a murder that we should have prevented! We failed. My officers failed to stop this.
Um, really? As we've stated here and many other places (namely the bar....Shirley Temples for everyone! We swear!), if someone needs to get killed, the killers are going to find a way to kill that person. Step one usually involves picking a spot where the police aren't, which in Chicago means you've just increased your chances of getting away with it by nearly 80%.
More interesting would be a couple plaintiff attorneys we'd like to introduce Commander Williams to who would just LOVE to get that statement on the stand under oath.
- So, former-Commander Williams....what's that? Oh, sorry, Twice-demoted-former-Commander Willams, you're saying the agent of the City of Chicago, namely the Chicago Police Department, who "meritoriously" promoted you how many times again? You, as a duly appointed leader of that Department were able to prevent this homici...sorry, "killing," by what means again? And you failed to do so?
Your Honor, we'd like to enter for a Directed Verdict against the plaintiffs Williams, McCarthy, Emanuel, the Chicago Police Department and the City of Chicago. $100 million would do nicely, thank you.
And this moron made it twice.
Labels: sarcasm AND silliness
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
86 Comments:
Williams: "I have to admit, this is a murder that we should have prevented! We failed. My officers failed to stop this.
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You should drop the quotes and re read you're previous post just to be fair... The post said numerous times that it was not exact quotes and was loosely translated... Let's call out the dogs after we hear what was really said.. Even a difference of two or three words would completely shoot down this little scenario here. Just playing devils advocate.. Let's think from both sides kids
The only way you could successfully sue the city for such a case would be to prove GROSS negligence or willful or wanton conduct. For instance, if the officers stopped at 35th and King at the White Castle instead of immediately going to a job that they were just dispatched to. (A case that happened about 10 or 15 years ago if you remember)
Unfortunately, this job gets more and more ridiculous by the day and on every level. Who doesn't shit on the Police?! Media, Politicians, Citizens, Police Supervisors, you name it. Oh well, back to sitting in my box.
A bunch of moronic micro-minds, SCC...
They ain't nothin' iffen they ain't entertainin'!
Who's his Chinaman?
A crisis of leadership leads directly to a crisis of morale. Although calling this class of political appointees "leaders" is a misnomer. These Commanders, this Superintendent, are not leaders in any way. As I've heard some wise ass at work say, "I wouldn't follow these creeps to 7-11 to buy a cup of coffee."
I'm out of state. Who was it who got kilt, anyway? An altar boy I assume?
It won't be the first time a Moran made it twice
That would be the day when I would let some drunken goof along with his ferrakon wanna be talk down to me and blame me for things I have no control over. We see less than 2 stand up for themselves, many crumble and shiver, and one fainted???
Then these city educated so called Commanders come back to the districts and treat their staff just like the Supe and his puppet does, who in turn treat the troops like that. And the idiots in command thing this will motivate people. Deflate your ego's morons. Happy people produce.
Management by statistics Great
Blame the Po Po for your BS leadership?
All you need is CLOUT is ChIraq to be a leader no real skills required
Garbage IN = Garbage OUT
Look where and who are doing these shootings? You don't hear of this nonsense in Forest Glen, Norwood Park or Edison Park. It's the quality of the residents involved in such high crime areas that's at fault.
This guys a complete dipshit!!! His "Merit" interviews were based off anovs, contact cards & fucking movers!!!! This is what makes a great Sgt! It baffles me that such a bafoon can be given a gold star. this Dept is fucking unbelievable iv lost all hope in the dept who thinks a moron like this is fit to lead an entire district. This fucking guy wouldn't know his ass from a hole in the ground! Let's hope this halfwit is demoted once more before he hurts an officer if he hasn't already!
So much for the court rulings that the police do not have a duty to "protect/prevent harm" against you. Williams will get a lot of travel time being "feted" around the country as an expert witness as to how the police failed in their duty to prevent one harming another. At least he would be gone from the 002 most of the time.
We need more contact cards! More post-shooting missions! Just close down low crime districts and ship their personnel to high crime areas.
OT: SCC, found out that Jess Sixkiller was the victim of an apparent home invasion yesterday in Phoenix AZ. Some Old Timers out there would know of him from the 60's and 70's. He was a full blooded member of the Cherokee Nation, Aide to O.W. Wilson and the first Native American Detective on the Chicago Police Department. He left CPD to attend Harvard University where he obtained a Master's from the Kennedy School of Government. He was a well known leader in the Indian Cuvil Rights Movement. He and his Wife Tammy ended up in Chicago after they were moved by the Government off of a reservation as part of the Indian Relocation Act.
He was gunned down at age 78 as he tried to protect his Wife of 60 years. Phoenix PD is investigating. This Man was my Uncle, he was always very proud that he started his life on the Chicago Police Department. Just thought the Department should know.
Garry Garry Garry?
So what do you do with a disloyal white shirt who will say anything and thinks throwing other under a bus is a good answer?
Demotions come to mind but i hear you are not allowed to do that with permission from the Mayors office. But having a commander forced to actually work 8 hours a day and actually type his own paper work might do the trick. See merit hack love their desk dollies because dollies do the paperwork!
Think about it Garry they call this in college thinking out of the box.(Whatever that means!)
Testing for promotion has its flaws, but it can weed out total idiots. Merit does not
Charter schools have pretty much emptied a lot CPS high schools. Especially, on the west side. There's one in 011 with barely more than 200 students.
At some point, someone with common sense has close those schools down, and/or combine a couple of them, while shutting down the other.
How can they fiscally justify keeping the lights in a school with 200 students? Especially when there's a HUGE school just northwest of it, with barely over 300 students. This is pissing away money, pure and simple.
This is exactly what I said in my posting yesterday, and I said it after talking to an attorney. The attorney had called me that day on another matter, and this Moron Commander's comments came up in the conversation. The Commander by his statement, has in essence acknowledged: 1. The Chicago Police Department Could have prevented the death. 2. The Chicago Police Department FAILED to prevent the death, and that failure was so obvious, as to warrant discipline of the officers involved. Since retiring from the Chicago Police Department I have been teaching Criminal Justice at a small community college, and we have touched upon the issue of Predictive Policing. Last semester we had a speaker from CPD who came down from headquarters to lecture our students. I immediately realized this guy was full of shit,since he had his Operators Beard, this is big among wannabe Navy SEALS, it is supposed to indicate they were "Inserted" somewhere other than up some bosses ass. He also had no firearm, another indication that he was not the "Real Police". In any event, this Speaker was touting Predictive Policing, which means by analyzing stats on past crime and criminals, police can predict where new crime will occur. The concept was used in Afghanistan, which is also disturbing since it means we are comparing our good Democrats, to a country we occupied by force. As an "Old Guy", this type of policing used to be called Knowing the Area and Aggressive Patrol, but now you need a computer to do it. However, make no mistake about it, this Commander may have inadvertently stepped into some Real Shit. Because he has basically stated that this homicide was preventable, but was not prevented because of his officers' inaction, which warranted their being disciplined. This stupid chunk of waste, political hack, promoted because of his race and connections, may end up costing the Sheeple of Chicago "Big Money". Patronage, and the Promotion of Ignorance in the Chicago Police Department has made Loevy and Loevy, Peoples Law Office, etc., multi-millionaires. Corruption has a price tag, and WE pay that price. "Baby G"
Thank goodness for Deshaney V. Winnebago we have no obligation to protect the citizens.
If two dogs are fighting, you don't try to pull the dogs apart you just keep them away from everyone.
at compstat they handed commanders dozens of closed envelopes with (1) day suspensions per mccarthy for reading the report to the Black Friday murder/suicide at Nordstram.
"conduct unbecoming" rule 31 violations.
Thank goodness for Deshaney V. Winnebago we have no obligation to protect the citizens.
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I don't know about that case but you're right. Charleton Heston used to harp on this when he was the head of the gun group. Buy a gun. Protect yourself.
News radio reports now, at least 19 people shot this weekend and it's only 11 AM Saturday.
Failed to stop this too!
Court tosses Chicago inmate's $10M suit for escape
September 26, 2015
"CHICAGO – An inmate who escaped from a high-rise federal jail in Chicago has an unusual theory on who's to blame: He says the government was negligent in enabling the breakout, so he sued for $10 million for damages.
"The 7th U.S. Court of Appeals said in a Friday ruling that Jose Banks "gets credit for chutzpah." But a three-judge panel at the Chicago-based court tossed his 2014 lawsuit.
"No one has a personal right to be better guarded or more securely restrained, so as to be unable to commit a crime," the ruling said.
"In a 2012 jailbreak, Banks and a cellmate rappelled 17 stories down on a rope fashioned from bed sheets and dental floss, then hailed a cab. Banks, now 40, was caught within days and his cellmate within weeks.
"Banks' suit says the damages he suffered from the escape included the trauma of dangling on the makeshift rope in fear of his life.
"Authorities dropped the escape charges against him because he was going to prison for decades anyway on a bank robbery conviction.
"But Banks...says guards should have noticed the two were chiseling an escape hole in their cell and should have stopped them long before they fled.
"Banks says he has had to endure tighter restrictions than fellow inmates at his current prison because of the escape...
The suit also claims Banks has suffered "damage to his reputation," as well as "humiliation and embarrassment," and what Banks calls "injury" to his "spiritual constitution."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/26/court-tosses-chicago-inmate-10m-suit-for-escape/
The Burger Queen , funny , does she now own a Burger King franchise
IS TW NOW THE Burger King or just a manager of Leon's rib shack ?
If he is still a commander , captain or xo on Monday morning
It is proof that clout runs cpd
What exactly do you expect when merit promotees don't even have to take part 2 of the tests for promotion.what's up with that shit?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: SCC, found out that Jess Sixkiller was the victim of an apparent home invasion yesterday in Phoenix AZ. Some Old Timers out there would know of him from the 60's and 70's. He was a full blooded member of the Cherokee Nation, Aide to O.W. Wilson and the first Native American Detective on the Chicago Police Department. He left CPD to attend Harvard University where he obtained a Master's from the Kennedy School of Government. He was a well known leader in the Indian Cuvil Rights Movement. He and his Wife Tammy ended up in Chicago after they were moved by the Government off of a reservation as part of the Indian Relocation Act.
He was gunned down at age 78 as he tried to protect his Wife of 60 years. Phoenix PD is investigating. This Man was my Uncle, he was always very proud that he started his life on the Chicago Police Department. Just thought the Department should know.
9/26/2015 07:25:00 AM
God Bless him and his family. A/6 Robbery and after, went on to live a life and accomplishments that most any ten people would never achieve. My condolences to you and your and hopefully Phoenix PD has the good fortune to successfully avenge his death. Don't be sad, be Proud, that man and his wife are living legends.
New requirement for candidates for police officer: Trauma surgeon
Sign Brett Favre as Bears QB.
I have to ADMIT
he's not even security guard material
dump this guy before he costs the city millions
merit promotions = only the best , brightest need apply
or call your ward committee man
study the books = your bank books
Affirmative action via the merit process. How many true leaders will never get beyond a blue shirt due to our abomination of a promotional process. The Doty, Mealer, West, Vaneks, carothers, Starks, Schmitz, trahanas, Washington, j Jones, Welch, and so so many more merit wastes of a uniform. If the sup really wants to make a statement find a PO who has demonstrated true character and leadership and promote that officer to commander. See what that does for this department. Advancement based on ability? Think how that would instantly affect morale and productivity on this department. Instead we get the T Williams, who I am sure will be a Deputy shortly. Better yet promote Barb West again, the woman who's claim to fame is bringing a pillow to work. This department sickens me.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Williams: "I have to admit, this is a murder that we should have prevented! We failed. My officers failed to stop this.
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"You should drop the quotes and re read you're previous post just to be fair..."
~Snip~
"Let's call out the dogs after we hear what was really said.. Even a difference of two or three words would completely shoot down this little scenario here. Just playing devils advocate.. Let's think from both sides kids."
9/26/2015 12:48:00 AM
Heh!
Some "boss" must've posted this...
You want SCC to "be fair?"
Do the barking dogs have bosses up a tree
with the seat of their britches torn to shreds or what?
Awww... Clout-Babies are feeling a little concerned because their
ride on CPD Easy Street is getting bumpy so now you want to come
on the blog and plead for understanding and reasonable accommodation?
Life is tough all over, you Kool-Aid slurping juice babies.
It's about time you fuckers got the notice.
"Yassuh bossuh... Imma stick it in some blue shirt ass cuz dey didn't
prevent some asshole who likely needed shooting from getting shot."
Sad. Sorry. Pitiful.
Unmanly...
You motherfuckers have the malignant gift of hindsight and second guessing
Policemen for exercising whatever lawful and available options they have out here.
That's why Compstat is bullshit and an utter failure.
It demands the nigh near impossible to sustain itself as
it lurches toward a pre-determined outcome regardless
of the career and civil perils it exposes Policemen to.
Compstat pivots on the supposition that Policemen, when
pressured, stressed, driven into a corner and burned at both ends
until they capitulate and cease aligning themselves with that which
is actually lawful; to buying into the politics of crime stat management
and manipulation that is anathema to all who have sense, reason and the ability to
think critically and WITHIN the law as applied to a particular circumstance
at a particular point in time.
Now is not the time to endanger yourselves by engaging in creative law
enforcement to appease these bosses and prop up the failed model that is Compstat.
McCarthy is insane if he thinks you can get inside
the head of a mutt and influence him to not get his ass shot.
Bee-Ay-Dee/hard-head motherfuckers having fear if not outright
terror of The Police, a fully supported and equipped 15,000 man
Department and the CCSA office and the circuit courts being purged
and purified with hellish hot fire.
Anything less is idle jaw-jacking and lip service.
For the short bus/short attention/bullshit and distraction crowd.
Noted criminologists and former NYPD bosses John Eterno and
Eli Silverman helped to lay down the very foundation upon which
Compstat was built upon.
Those two men are ON RECORD as denouncing the crime stat
manipulation device Compstat has been turned into.
Especially by former NYPD police-gods trying to create policing
legacies out of crime stat manipulation.
It's a damning indictment when the co-founders come out against
their masterwork.
McCarthy is desperate and running out of time.
The lack of Compstat "buy in" here in Chicago is chafing
him badly.
He figures the "resistance" is coming from ground level
which is why he beats on the Patrol echelon the way he does.
He's pissed because he figured he would have steamrolled
you dumb ass, lazy ass, simple-minded Chicago Cops.
According to the Compstat model as promulgated by McCarthy
and his brain-trust, Policemen are disposable.
Fuck these fools.
Protect yourselves from THEM
by any means at your disposal.
Be within the LAW.
The LAW is the ONE refuge
Gerry McCarthy can't chase
Chicago Policemen from.
Terry Williams must have changed. He had a great work ethic when he was a captain on the 3rd watch. He gave the department a good 4 hours every night!
Correct. When he got "demoted" back to Captain. He could care less about this Dept. He let the watch run wild. Now I guess he cares again.
https://redpowermedia.wordpress.com/2015/09/25/native-american-activist-jess-sixkiller-shot-to-death-in-home-invasion/
What passes for command and supervisors on this dept is pathetic. Most would be under qualified to be green grocers.
T-Dub was given the advanced call from his former XO Capt KM that Chief Tracey was going to chew him a new one over the 6 shot. She now works for the Chief. He had oemc calls of street party where nothing was done 3x. XO told T-Dub to take the Chiefs legs out by falling on the sword first. He did and that preemptive strike pissed him and the Supt off even more. Let's see how long Capt KM the mole stays in Tracey's office now.
Why do these bosses sweat Compstat anyway? For 160k a year I'll sit there and take a berating from a mumbling east coast drunk with a bad ticker. For 160k a year he can spank me with a whiffle ball bat while I'm wearing an old Police Matron uniform. With a skirt, low heels and a cross tie. Just sayin. Lighten up, bosses, don't let your egos get inflated and deflated, just laugh about it later. And don't think for a minute that the police officers working the street back in the district give a damn what goes on at the Compstat Comedy Roast. Doesn't have an effect on my job, and it wont. Don't care about statistics or hot spots or numbers or any of that. My priorities? 1. Good health for my family. 2. Pension. 3. My ability to continue earning money so I can support my family. Everything else is a bad joke.
Very entertaining fake bosses pass out the gold stars "there's gold in them there hills" how many brainless bosses do we have? But alas a perfect stepping stone to huge pension and another 6 figure job somewhere and of course a "double or triple dip pension" no wonder pensions are in such bad shape! Why have a no respect "commander" joke rank? Lieutenant is last civil service rank come on Mike Lappe stand up at pension board tell the thieves enough! We have invested our money let us vote on it. No more inflated pension for these clowns!
Talk about an embarrassment.
Don't forget that his daddy was a commander too.
McCompstat will be hunting for the person who leaked this information, you just watch. TRAITOR! :- Are those meetings recorded by chance?
Let an attorney try to confirm that statement...
...I don't remember.
...I don't recall.
....Never heard that.
OT:
I couldn't believe this. I was watching the transition ceremony of Gen Martin Dempsey today on C-Span. He was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and is retiring. His son read some orders, the General sang, very classy ceremony.
Except for the Commander in Chief who was chewing gum! Honest to Christ, chewing gum. Maybe it was nicotine gum but still, what the fuck. All the Joint Chiefs were up there and the fucking President has his jaw chewing away. Unbelievable. I am glad at least that he wasn't gnawing on rib bones or digging through a bag a flaming red hots. No fucking class at all, that fucking mutt.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?328355-1/retirement-ceremony-joint-chiefs-staff-chair-general-martin-dempsey
Would love to see how the incompetent commander wrote them up. For what?
Just wondering if McStupe creamed his drawers when the commander said that.
NO WORRIES! CAPS will save the day! Just like CALEA will tighten our shi(p), CAPS will entice the violent populace to police itself! Let's arm them to the hilt!
I know a few V.C. Dicks who should get bumped to Cmdr. over this goof.
Check out this video on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/cQ9Z8FqRE88
OT. So I made detective was sent to an area along with everyone else that I know, but one did not he went to HQ and word is he is not even aloud to do the job required in this unit due to past incidents. Why do we hide the inapt?
1127X said...
Charter schools have pretty much emptied a lot CPS high schools. Especially, on the west side. There's one in 011 with barely more than 200 students.
At some point, someone with common sense has close those schools down, and/or combine a couple of them, while shutting down the other.
How can they fiscally justify keeping the lights in a school with 200 students? Especially when there's a HUGE school just northwest of it, with barely over 300 students. This is pissing away money, pure and simple.
9/26/2015 09:28:00 AM
Send them to Taft.
His father was partners with Bill Beavers. He calls bill Beavers his God Father.
Nobody seems to truly hold the thugs accountable.
It's more about how the coppers must've screwed up because they didn't prevent this.
That's ass backward thinking if I ever heard it.... then again it is the command structure at CPD we're talking about.
Testing for promotion has its flaws, but it can weed out total idiots. Merit does not
9/26/2015 08:12:00 AM
I have to disagree with your post. Both processes are flawed. The test does not weed out the idiots. to name a few that stand out, lemmer, promoted all the way up via test, no people skills and terrible leader. Price, promoted all the way up via test, not as smart as people think, not a lick of common sense. Georgas, terrible leader, vindictive as can be, thinks he's gods gift to police work, promoted by test. James Jones, book smart, terrible leader, not a good communicator, no people skills whatsoever, promoted by test.
The merit side too, has many promoted way beyond their capabilities, too many. My point is, the promotional exam, it's subjective nature in grading, has no test portion for leadership and balls. The merit process could be very beneficial to department if applied correctly, however it doesn't reach enough people to give an accurate, objective assessment of its effectiveness. Until a test is devised that gives a full 360 assessment of ones abilities beyond the books, there will be no fair way to promote on this job. In my 25 years on, I've seen both good and bad from both sides of the promotional process. I base a supervisors ability on the way they make decisions, fairness in daily interactions and the delivery of the message. Not a hard process to follow. Most white shirts have forgotten where they have once come.
To the guy who posted the below you are 100 % right, he has no police experience, no military experience and really no common sense. Another example of of someone who spends his time chasing paper degrees. Dont listen to him, most of it is someones elses work.
This is exactly what I said in my posting yesterday, and I said it after talking to an attorney. The attorney had called me that day on another matter, and this Moron Commander's comments came up in the conversation. The Commander by his statement, has in essence acknowledged: 1. The Chicago Police Department Could have prevented the death. 2. The Chicago Police Department FAILED to prevent the death, and that failure was so obvious, as to warrant discipline of the officers involved. Since retiring from the Chicago Police Department I have been teaching Criminal Justice at a small community college, and we have touched upon the issue of Predictive Policing. Last semester we had a speaker from CPD who came down from headquarters to lecture our students. I immediately realized this guy was full of shit,since he had his Operators Beard, this is big among wannabe Navy SEALS, it is supposed to indicate they were "Inserted" somewhere other than up some bosses ass. He also had no firearm, another indication that he was not the "Real Police". In any event, this Speaker was touting Predictive Policing, which means by analyzing stats on past crime and criminals, police can predict where new crime will occur. The concept was used in Afghanistan, which is also disturbing since it means we are comparing our good Democrats, to a country we occupied by force. As an "Old Guy", this type of policing used to be called Knowing the Area and Aggressive Patrol, but now you need a computer to do it. However, make no mistake about it, this Commander may have inadvertently stepped into some Real Shit. Because he has basically stated that this homicide was preventable, but was not prevented because of his officers' inaction, which warranted their being disciplined. This stupid chunk of waste, political hack, promoted because of his race and connections, may end up costing the Sheeple of Chicago "Big Money". Patronage, and the Promotion of Ignorance in the Chicago Police Department has made Loevy and Loevy, Peoples Law Office, etc., multi-millionaires. Corruption has a price tag, and WE pay that price. "Baby G"
Everyone is focusing on Tdub's stupidity and missing the most insane thing of all that was said at Compstat. I think Chief Tracy is like Hitler in the last days in the bunker, moving troops that don't even exist around a sand table. This guy pretty much told the entire group that Compstat works and we just aren't following Garry's plan. Basically if we cloned a couple thousand Garrys and Bob Tracys the city would be crime free. Arrogant, delusional New York turds.
Old Jess Sixkiller was a legend when I got on in 1979. Heard nothing but great things about this warrior and great man. I always wished to had met him. May the Almighty hold this true American in his hand. Rest easy Jess.
Men like Jess and his heritage should be never forgotten in the CPD.
Sounds like we need more Glenn Evans :) miss you Glenn xoxoxox
Sorry to hear about your uncle..RIP Jess Sixkiller.
RIP Jess Sixkiller, may justice come to your family. I am sorry for your families tragic loss.
FOX IN THE HENHOUSE!
“come on Mike Lappe stand up at pension board tell the thieves enough! We have invested our money let us vote on it. No more inflated pension for these clowns!”
Are you out of your f’ing mind? Mike Lappe is part of the problem.
Mike Lappe stand up for our pension?? He doesn’t care about or understand anything about the Pension Fund. He cares about screwing police, keeping Dean Angelo out of disability review, and landing in some cushy political role when he is forced to retire all in return for his blind devotion to the City gods. Lappe loves the bosses and the politicians. These are the HIS people, not us.
You want someone to stand up for police and protect our pension, get rid of him and get someone else on the board.
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Anonymous said...
Very entertaining fake bosses pass out the gold stars "there's gold in them there hills" how many brainless bosses do we have? But alas a perfect stepping stone to huge pension and another 6 figure job somewhere and of course a "double or triple dip pension" no wonder pensions are in such bad shape! Why have a no respect "commander" joke rank? Lieutenant is last civil service rank come on Mike Lappe stand up at pension board tell the thieves enough! We have invested our money let us vote on it. No more inflated pension for these clowns!
Talk about an embarrassment.
9/26/2015 02:32:00 PM
Why do these bosses sweat Compstat anyway? For 160k a year I'll sit there and take a berating from a mumbling east coast drunk with a bad ticker. For 160k a year he can spank me with a whiffle ball bat while I'm wearing an old Police Matron uniform. With a skirt, low heels and a cross tie. Just sayin.
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Laughing my ass off !!!!
Anonymous said...
OT. So I made detective was sent to an area along with everyone else that I know, but one did not he went to HQ and word is he is not even aloud to do the job required in this unit due to past incidents. Why do we hide the inapt?
9/26/2015 05:59:00 PM
You sea, you can bee promoted without no school learning as long as ewe no two show up for the test when their is one.
>>> McCarthy: "no you won't. You're not making me the asshole". <<<
Certainly not Garry, you have done such an excellent job of that yourself.
Again leadership continues to be a joke in this department. I'm embarrassed to belong and never tell anyone where I work.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
at compstat they handed commanders dozens of closed envelopes with (1) day suspensions per mccarthy for reading the report to the Black Friday murder/suicide at Nordstram.
"conduct unbecoming" rule 31 violations.
9/26/2015 10:34:00 AM
"Conduct Unbecoming?"
How so?
Why is McCarthy resorting to a broadly written and interpreted
disciplinary "catch-all" to punish Policemen for using a resource
available to them to know what is going on in this city?
Or is Garry pissed because he still can't find "the leak?"
Hey Gar! The source of your "leak" is the 5th floor suites
at 111 N. LaSalle St. You're welcome, you dunce...
Sealed envelopes with one day suspensions?
Slippery slope to "Hitler's Final Days In The Bunker" type shit.
Sealed envelopes with signed death warrants and what not.
No doubt McCarthy and Bob Tracy wish they could order exempts
into the districts to execute a few Blue Shirts as a message to
the rest for being rebellious and "resisting" the buy in to Compstat.
Don't laugh TOO loudly...
We can think of a double handful who would
GLADLY give a peed-on-peon a bullet to the
back of the head if it meant not getting yelled
at during the Gerry McCarthy Compstat Celebrity Roast.
We can't try the veal cuz we ain't on the guest list...
We also reject any club that would accept us as a member. ;^)
Hey! Just had a thought SCC!
Why not let the readers have at it and submit the
names of gold stars deemed most willing to give a Blue Shirt
a bullet to enhance their standing with McOut-Of-Ideas?
We nominate McOut-Of-Ideas, his ghoul Tracy and the dozen or
so home-grown nitwits quaking in their boots behind them.
Thus be it ever until those over-comped chimps can come up
with a coherent crime fighting strategy that doesn't pivot on
relentlessly beating on Patrol for the lack of impulse control
by the death worshippers we're charged with policing.
McOut-Of-Ideas and Tracy are awfully brave and manly
for demanding that street Coppers be "written up" for
"failing" to prevent born-to-die motherfuckers from setting
fire to each other's asses.
You won't see them saying shit to the death worshippers
lighting this city on fire even if they had heaping mouthfuls of it...
For cryin' out loud!
Didn't any of you gold star clowns ever watch Mutual of Omaha's
Wild Kingdom when you were kids?
Buncha dummies.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. So I made detective was sent to an area along with everyone else that I know, but one did not he went to HQ and word is he is not even aloud to do the job required in this unit due to past incidents. Why do we hide the inapt?
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same place they hide the bad spellars
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone is focusing on Tdub's stupidity and missing the most insane thing of all that was said at Compstat. I think Chief Tracy is like Hitler in the last days in the bunker, moving troops that don't even exist around a sand table. This guy pretty much told the entire group that Compstat works and we just aren't following Garry's plan. Basically if we cloned a couple thousand Garrys and Bob Tracys the city would be crime free. Arrogant, delusional New York turds.
9/26/2015 09:40:00 PM
These guys need to resign now totally failed! Then dump the command staff gold star club cut it to maybe 10 total, lieutenants run district at least then they would have some responsibility for the big payday, and that should be last pensionable rank, the gold stars along with the mayors patrolmen being paid sergeants and commanders wages also rape the pensions! Com on Mike Lappe time to get the others on board put it to a membership vote no more run away theft from pension!
OT. So I made detective was sent to an area along with everyone else that I know, but one did not he went to HQ and word is he is not even aloud to do the job required in this unit due to past incidents. Why do we hide the inapt?
9/26/2015 05:59:00 PM
You sea, you can bee promoted without no school learning as long as ewe no two show up for the test when their is one.
9/27/2015 05:46:00 AM
Okay
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas, I don't know how long you have been around, but Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God gift to police work he just knows what works, He is shot down a lot these days because Jim Roussell and Georgas don't get along, Georgas was Roussells boss when jody was in command, and if Roussell didn't like what Georgas said, he would run directly to Jody. Georgas put together the entire NATO detail, he worked with the FEDS for a years leading up to the NATO. He ran the 3rd floor command Center at Homan Square so effectively that other cities asked for his help. I can see that if you have personal issues with a boss, then negative posts will always appear. And no I'm not up Georgas' ass. I'm retired and can say anything I want about any boss on this job now ans like I did when I was on the job!!! Lemmer, is just an idiot with no balls and no smart ideas except fucking with the troops, some people get this way when they make rank and get a taste of that big money.
Hey 9/26 08;12 post, seems to me that after 25 years you are bitter , maybe because you have not studied hard enough to be promoted or maybe you just have never taken a test and want to be promoted on merit, you seem to be a person who has all the answers and likes to stir up the pot, standing around the desk talking shit about the SGTS. but not having the balls to voice your concerns. granted some SGTS.LTS. and CAPTS. think that they are Hitler when they get made but I was a SGT who looked out for the troops, being in specialized units I still looked out for coppers in the district when I had a mission there, Not all Bosses are the enemy and I wish you could get promoted so you would be able to look into the mirror and become a leader. I know you are probably a real go getter in a beat car who hates everybody !!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why do these bosses sweat Compstat anyway? For 160k a year I'll sit there and take a berating from a mumbling east coast drunk with a bad ticker. For 160k a year he can spank me with a whiffle ball bat while I'm wearing an old Police Matron uniform. With a skirt, low heels and a cross tie. Just sayin.
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Thanks for the laugh!!!
What we need is an elected superintendent that is not an appointed position. No Police officer should serve at the whim of a mayor. Then the sup and the mayor can be separated. Both will answer to the citizens.
From the previous comments:
Be within the LAW.
The LAW is the ONE refuge
Gerry McCarthy can't chase
Chicago Policemen from.
9/26/2015 01:05:00 PM
Who is this "Gerry" McCarthy? I would like to meet this "Gerry" McCarthy.
Is he a policeman?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. So I made detective was sent to an area along with everyone else that I know, but one did not he went to HQ and word is he is not even aloud to do the job required in this unit due to past incidents. Why do we hide the inapt?
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same place they hide the bad spellars
9/27/2015 11:36:00 AM
And this is new to you?
Serenity NOW!
There are 8 people on that board. 5 city (Kurt "I wantta be mayor", 3 appointees, and Lapdog) and 3 police. We are fucked until we can at least it get it to 4 and 4.
Lappe can't get others on the board to do anything. If we know he's a pea brain and don't respect him, don't you think the other trustee cops have his number as they watch him cozy up to Rahm and the gang meeting after meeting? Don't confuse crafty and self serving with intelligence. Lappe's pension brain is made of cotton candy.
WAKE the fuck UP!!
I LOVE law questions!
Don't ever think a commander would not throw you and your family under a bus because you did not follow all the rule the department has.
Take the recent cases with the Detective all you hear is the weapon was not registered yet all civilian NO longer have to register a damn thing.
Don't qualify with that cute mini gun the city will say you were not authorized. Work a security job City will say you had no authorization to work security. Record a victim with out a signature in an interrogation room ?
Ever notice those memos that are never signed or Facsimile messages that originate from people not in the chain of command?
0940 is right. The Chief of Patrol is now requiring missions and wants the locations weeks in advance. They are determining deployments for everyone. Cops on the dot type of stuff.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Testing for promotion has its flaws, but it can weed out total idiots. Merit does not
9/26/2015 08:12:00 AM
I have to disagree with your post. Both processes are flawed. The test does not weed out the idiots. to name a few that stand out, lemmer, promoted all the way up via test, no people skills and terrible leader. Price, promoted all the way up via test, not as smart as people think, not a lick of common sense. Georgas, terrible leader, vindictive as can be, thinks he's gods gift to police work, promoted by test. James Jones, book smart, terrible leader, not a good communicator, no people skills whatsoever, promoted by test.
The merit side too, has many promoted way beyond their capabilities, too many. My point is, the promotional exam, it's subjective nature in grading, has no test portion for leadership and balls. The merit process could be very beneficial to department if applied correctly, however it doesn't reach enough people to give an accurate, objective assessment of its effectiveness. Until a test is devised that gives a full 360 assessment of ones abilities beyond the books, there will be no fair way to promote on this job. In my 25 years on, I've seen both good and bad from both sides of the promotional process. I base a supervisors ability on the way they make decisions, fairness in daily interactions and the delivery of the message. Not a hard process to follow. Most white shirts have forgotten where they have once come.
9/26/2015 09:31:00 PMnonymous Anonymous said...
Testing for promotion has its flaws, but it can weed out total idiots. Merit does not
9/26/2015 08:12:00 AM
I have to disagree with your post. Both processes are flawed. The test does not weed out the idiots. to name a few that stand out, lemmer, promoted all the way up via test, no people skills and terrible leader. Price, promoted all the way up via test, not as smart as people think, not a lick of common sense. Georgas, terrible leader, vindictive as can be, thinks he's gods gift to police work, promoted by test. James Jones, book smart, terrible leader, not a good communicator, no people skills whatsoever, promoted by test.
The merit side too, has many promoted way beyond their capabilities, too many. My point is, the promotional exam, it's subjective nature in grading, has no test portion for leadership and balls. The merit process could be very beneficial to department if applied correctly, however it doesn't reach enough people to give an accurate, objective assessment of its effectiveness. Until a test is devised that gives a full 360 assessment of ones abilities beyond the books, there will be no fair way to promote on this job. In my 25 years on, I've seen both good and bad from both sides of the promotional process. I base a supervisors ability on the way they make decisions, fairness in daily interactions and the delivery of the message. Not a hard process to follow. Most white shirts have forgotten where they have once come.
9/26/2015 09:31:00 PM"
You both however, left out an important aspect of the promotional process. And that is those who were practically given the test via subject matter expert or clout. So not all who made it by "score" achieved so legitimately. Just saying.
>>>Anonymous said...
Testing for promotion has its flaws, but it can weed out total idiots. Merit does not
9/26/2015 08:12:00 AM
I have to disagree with your post. Both processes are flawed. ...>>>
At least with tests people will have read the orders and Rules & Regulations. They have to make a presentation to oral review of some size but it will not be their own supervisors. It makes people work and sweat for the promotion and also keep up activity and out of trouble.
I have never met a double, triple or quad merit promoted (fill in the blank) on this job that wasn't a screw-up. The higher they got they worst they got.
From the previous comments:
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas...Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God's gift to police work...Georgas put together the entire NATO detail...
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Georgas has a master plan, and that plan involves making himself look good in the eyes of the mayor and the superintendent. I have never met someone as focused on getting himself promoted as he is...well...there once was this guy named Leo...but that is a story for another day.
Debra Kirby would be surprised to know that Georgas "put together the entire NATO detail," as there were many others involved in the process, and they all reported to her.
Also, over the years there have been numerous rumors of "secret study groups" and the promotional process. Here are the irrefutable facts:
Georgas, Kennedy, Caluris, and several others were in a study group for lieutenant when all of them were Maurer's "inside guys." At the time, Maurer was a Senior Subject Matter Expert (SSME), and as such he helped write the exam, along with the test developers. And before the exam was administered, Maurer, Hiram Grau, and Terry Hillard were able to review every line of that exam. And every member of that study group was promoted to lieutenant, with rank scores of #1 (Kennedy, Maurer's long-time administrative sergeant), #3, #4, and so on. ENOUGH SAID.
The only flaw in Steve's master plan is that he drags PO Kim K. as his "secretary" everywhere he goes. The problem lies in the fact that she can't keep her mouth shut about even the most confidential matters, and she has such an incredible sense of entitlement that she thinks that she is the deputy chief. Even other high-ranking members know that this is a fact. She's a full-duty PO who deserves to be in a district working midnights.
Anonymous said...
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas, I don't know how long you have been around, but Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God gift to police work he just knows what works, He is shot down a lot these days because Jim Roussell and Georgas don't get along, Georgas was Roussells boss when jody was in command, and if Roussell didn't like what Georgas said, he would run directly to Jody. Georgas put together the entire NATO detail, he worked with the FEDS for a years leading up to the NATO. He ran the 3rd floor command Center at Homan Square so effectively that other cities asked for his help. I can see that if you have personal issues with a boss, then negative posts will always appear. And no I'm not up Georgas' ass. I'm retired and can say anything I want about any boss on this job now ans like I did when I was on the job!!! Lemmer, is just an idiot with no balls and no smart ideas except fucking with the troops, some people get this way when they make rank and get a taste of that big money.
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Agree 100%. I'm retired as well and while not a huge Georgas fan, he's really one of the sharpest guys up there. McCarthy, Tracy & Roussell don't like him but City Hall loves him. Too bad because if all these children could play nicely, it would be a much better department.
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas, I don't know how long you have been around, but Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God gift to police work he just knows what works, He is shot down a lot these days because Jim Roussell and Georgas don't get along, Georgas was Roussells boss when jody was in command, and if Roussell didn't like what Georgas said, he would run directly to Jody. Georgas put together the entire NATO detail, he worked with the FEDS for a years leading up to the NATO. He ran the 3rd floor command Center at Homan Square so effectively that other cities asked for his help. I can see that if you have personal issues with a boss, then negative posts will always appear. And no I'm not up Georgas' ass. I'm retired and can say anything I want about any boss on this job now ans like I did when I was on the job!!! Lemmer, is just an idiot with no balls and no smart ideas except fucking with the troops, some people get this way when they make rank and get a taste of that big money.
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Signed, Spiro
PS - Stevie boy should have gotten fired like the POs he threw under the bus at the Cabrini incident.
Anonymous said...
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas, I don't know how long you have been around, but Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God gift to police work he just knows what works, He is shot down a lot these days because Jim Roussell and Georgas don't get along, Georgas was Roussells boss when jody was in command, and if Roussell didn't like what Georgas said, he would run directly to Jody. Georgas put together the entire NATO detail, he worked with the FEDS for a years leading up to the NATO. He ran the 3rd floor command Center at Homan Square so effectively that other cities asked for his help. I can see that if you have personal issues with a boss, then negative posts will always appear. And no I'm not up Georgas' ass. I'm retired and can say anything I want about any boss on this job now ans like I did when I was on the job!!! Lemmer, is just an idiot with no balls and no smart ideas except fucking with the troops, some people get this way when they make rank and get a taste of that big money.
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Shut up, Spiro. How's the airport? Must be nice to have big brother give you such a nice spot.
Shut up, Spiro. How's the airport? Must be nice to have big brother give you such a nice spot.
9/28/2015 11:50:00 AM
The way Spiro runs the airport you would think the kid was a big boss, err at least in his small mind!
Compstat is a crutch for bad management and a lack of leadership.
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