NYPD "Receipt"
Here it is, the "stop and frisk" receipt that NYPD will be required to give to everyone they have a police interaction with:
You can bet ours won't be nearly so simple, seeing how it was written in conjunction with ACLU lawyers and Department pinheads. From the accompanying article:
- The NYPD has formally introduced the “receipt” cops will now be required to issue to anyone they question during street stops, the Daily News has learned.
Patrick Lynch, head of the largest NYPD union, the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, called the new paperwork “another nail in the coffin of proactive policing” and predicted a rise in retaliatory complaints against cops.
“Instead of improving community relations, these receipts will accelerate an increase in crime and disorder, which will damage the city’s economic health while hurting those crime-ridden communities who need our protection the most," Lynch said.
How bad will it affect policing in New York?
- Street stops reached a record high of nearly 700,000 in 2011 but are on a pace for about 42,000 this year.
We expect similar reductions in contacts here, along with the accompanying rise in mayhem that New York is experiencing now, too.
Labels: info for the police
115 Comments:
I wouldn't stop anyone. I wouldn't talk to anyone. Hell, I wouldn't even look at anyone. The 42k stops this year will plummet even further.
You have to be out of your mind to stop anybody and make out one of these forms. You are begging for a lawsuit. Put you horse blinders on and do the very minimum police work you are required to do. Give the city the police department they deserve.
Will they be printed in 2,000 different languages? Just like the ballots for Chicago voters??
It's all just a sign of changing times. Nothing remains static, but is always changing.
OT, and from previous comments:
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas...Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God's gift to police work...Georgas put together the entire NATO detail...
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Georgas has a master plan, and that plan involves making himself look good in the eyes of the mayor and the superintendent. I have never met someone as focused on getting himself promoted as he is...well...there once was this guy named Leo...but that is a story for another day.
Debra Kirby would be surprised to know that Georgas "put together the entire NATO detail," as there were many others involved in the process, and they all reported to her.
Also, over the years there have been numerous rumors of "secret study groups" and the promotional process. Here are the irrefutable facts:
Georgas, Kennedy, Caluris, and several others were in a study group for lieutenant when all of them were Maurer's "inside guys." At the time, Maurer was a Senior Subject Matter Expert (SSME), and as such he helped write the exam, along with the test developers. And before the exam was administered, Maurer, Hiram Grau, and Terry Hillard were able to review every line of that exam. And every member of that study group was promoted to lieutenant, with rank scores of #1 (Kennedy, Maurer's long-time administrative sergeant), #3, #4, and so on. ENOUGH SAID.
The only flaw in Steve's master plan is that he drags PO Kim K. as his "secretary" everywhere he goes. The problem lies in the fact that she can't keep her mouth shut about even the most confidential matters, and she has such an incredible sense of entitlement that she thinks that she is the deputy chief. Even other high-ranking members know that this is a fact. She's a full-duty PO who deserves to be in a district working midnights.
This "Receipt" nonsense from the Trotskyite Progressive squat-to-pee
bunch currently in the White House, Chicago and NYC is an intentional
anchor on urban Policing.
Next, they're going to fling the remaining gates to our southern border
wide open...
"No worries, we've made sure tha The Police aren't going to bother you.
Then they're going to flood the democrat run urban centers as a check
against the current catered to constituents to ensure they don't leave
the plantation after "Hollow Man" not putting a cool million on airybody's
LINK card.
Hey I guarantee nobody I observe will, has, or is committing a crime when this garbage gets implemented.
I walk drive around with blinders on! I'm NOT stopping anyone!
From another thread:
Anonymous said...
Serenity NOW!
There are 8 people on that board. 5 city (Kurt "I wantta be mayor", 3 appointees, and Lapdog) and 3 police. We are fucked until we can at least it get it to 4 and 4.
Lappe can't get others on the board to do anything. If we know he's a pea brain and don't respect him, don't you think the other trustee cops have his number as they watch him cozy up to Rahm and the gang meeting after meeting? Don't confuse crafty and self serving with intelligence. Lappe's pension brain is made of cotton candy.
WAKE the fuck UP!!
9/27/2015 06:17:00 PM
Didn't the pension board just decide to let Burge keep his pension?
Where's the receipt for when you 'hug a thug'?
Do these replace contact cards?
And once again Dean and the FOP are right on this.
OT
Does anyone have an info regarding this email?
The FOP will host a meeting where we will discuss a possible solution for retiree healthcare. The City has made its intent to cut off coverage for retirees on 1/1/2017 very clear.
Jack Byrnes from Source 1 Benefits will have detailed rate information from Aetna and a comparison to the City plan rates.
All labor groups are invited.
I will send a separate message with a calendar attachment.
When: 9/29/15 at 2 pm
Where: FOP Lodge 7, 1412 W Washington St.
I guess i'll start bringing an extra paperback with me.
Tootie: Hey Muldoon, check out the dude wearing a mask, toting one of those Russian AK-47s.
Muldoon: Actually I believe it is the improved Chinese version of that same weapon, with the ever popular folding stock, Partner!
Tootie: Think of all the paperwork we'd have done if we stopped him. It's not like the old days.
Muldoon: DUCK!
Well, there goes two years of junior college shot to hell.
What am I giong to do for the next 26 years?
My receipt will have my name on it in the form of a traffic ticket. That will be the only type of receipt you'll get from me. That adds up a couple a year and only if I have no choice but to write one.
Most are Civil rights violations according to the ACLU today. Don't get thrown into the trick bag on one.
Stupid is as stupid does .
RIP policing! What's the over/under on crime skyrocketing? What kind of elected idiot would put innocent citizens at risk doing this? No wonder Trump is rapidly rising in the polls and will be next president pro military pro law enforcement we need a real man in the White House that helps deal with criminal thugs not any that tie officers hands! This is extremely se the taxpayers should rise up and protest call elected morons when are innocent people going to say "enough?"
Just so much toilet paper.....
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Dumbest thing ever. Hopefully ours will be only 5 pages... Will we be asking for all the baby mamma's names and the names of all their chitlins? Will we be asking for their GPA? Pro acting policing is doomed.
Retiring real soon.....
In 025 they now want beat cars to actually stay on their beats.
I can't imagine any cop who has any brains handing out these receipts. And, if I am right, then yes, street interactions will drop like a lead ball and crime will rise. Then the liberals will be calling for the heads of cops for not doing their jobs. No one can see into the head of a police officer and make him/her take enforcement action. I know in Chicago they tried at various times with having supervisors ride along with officers because their production was low. The sergeant would point out what they thought were infractions and direct the officer to take action. If the supervisor did not come to court the case was dismissed.
We expect similar reductions in contacts here, along with the accompanying rise in mayhem that New York is experiencing now, too.
Unless the powers that be add this to the list of things to do before you qualify for VRI.
Will the leaders at our FOP make any kind of public statement regarding the changes in our policies to these bs pandering type policy changes?
No they will remain silent as usual.
Can I get an event number for an el check?
I'll never make one out. Either I see enough PC to arrest or I'll move on.
But I really like the little section on who to call to make a beef. Maybe they should hand out a free calling card with it. So they can use it with their free cell phones.
I think I'd cry if this wasn't so LAUGHABLE......SO glad I'm Retired from this ONCE PROUD Police Dept......We are so DOOOOOOOMED................
Speaking of mayhem what the fuk happened to state lake in the loop its white junkie town. City if chiraq doomed !!
So um, what's to stop someone from saying they got stopped by the police and they didn't get a receipt, even though they did?
Our new laws and procedures are being written to appease evil at the price of good.
Last night we got our marching orders I don't care about arrests I want contact cards
Many as areas of new York will be policed like Baltimore.
Fuck them.
I'm only having contact with my iPhone during my tour from now on.
These are about as useful to policing, as Caps Beat Books in squad trunks, the old Humper Log, and Bus checks...
I'm not a police officer so I want to ask, how is this new idea Rahm and alderman approved supposed to help me, an average law abiding citizen? I wan police response times to IMPROVE and I just don't see that happening with more paperwork to slow you guys down. Who exactly will thus benefit other than criminals? Again, the criminals rights seem to be more important than mine. Complete bull shit.
Not to mention more court cases for you all, right?
First, off-duty NYCPD not trusted, disarmed around Papal visit.
Then, British soldier told to leave hospital waiting room because uniform "might offend people from other cultures."
Now...
Green Beret discharged for shoving accused Afghan rapist speaks out
September 28, 2015
"EXCLUSIVE: A Green Beret ordered discharged after he and his team leader body-slammed an alleged Afghan child rapist is speaking out against the Army's effort to punish him, as he fights to stay in the service.
"Kicking me out of the Army is morally wrong and the entire country knows it," Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland said, in his first public statement on his case.
"Martland gives a blunt account of the September 2011 encounter with the "brutal child rapist," local police commander Abdul Rahman.
"His team leader Capt. Daniel Quinn...[said that] a boy claimed he was "tied to a post in Rahman's house and was raped repeatedly for 10 days to 2 weeks." When his mother tried to stop it, he said, "Rahman instructed his brother to beat her; which he did." Quinn got a "first-hand confession" but "the child rapist laughed it off and referenced that it was only a boy."
"Captain Quinn picked him up and threw him," Martland said. "I [proceeded to] body slam him multiple times." Quinn said, "I physically threw him through our front gate and off our camp."
"While I understand that a military lawyer can say that I was legally wrong, we felt a moral obligation to act," Martland said."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/28/green-beret-discharged-for-shoving-accused-afghan-rapist/
"It would seem that to be a good man is not in every case the same thing as to be a good citizen."
"Whatever is unfair is lawless, but not everything lawless is unfair."
"[Anger should be] on the right grounds and against the right persons, and also in the right manner and at the right moment and for the right length of time"
-- Aristotle
Simple, uncomplicated card; obviously the Illinois version ill be far more complicated and unusable.
Police work is done!
Good by policing. Thanks politicians. Hope you get plenty of campaign money from these lawyers.
Slightly O/T but relevant nonetheless:
Scum-times say-
"Second Straight Weekend of More Than 50
Shot in Chicago"
So fucking what?
Are Mc-Out-Of-Ideas and his ghoul Bob Tracy going
to demand that the soft and squishy as gummy-fruit
exempts "write up" even more Coppers for "failing"
to prevent any of these shootings?
NYAAAAHAHAHAHA!
"We're gonna make you rebellious Coppers lives as miserable
as we possibly can for your refusal to buy in to Compstat as the
way, truth and light for "reducing" crime in Chicago."
These New Yuck law enforcement gypsies are beside themselves
because they know Compstat is bullshit and they know that the
Policeman KNOWS Compstat is bullshit.
What royally burns their asses is Policemen openly deriding
Compstat for the bullshit it is.
Freedom Of Speech.
Fuck you clowns...
"GYAAHH!
Discredit upon the department!"
YOU mutts win THAT prize.
"Insubordination!"
Respect IS a two-way street...
Respect is a principal that DOES NOT RESONATE
with the One-way, drunk with power and arrogance,
law enforcement buffoons from New Yuck that CPD
is currently sorely afflicted with.
They would rather die 10,000 low-down, mean, screaming, feverish,
bed-shitting deaths than owning up to their strategies being a total
flaming clown-car funeral of failure.
Heh...
Mc-Out-Of-Ideas articulated some concern about
"looking like the asshole."
Damn.
Talk about sitting at a card table, playing a few hands
and not bein able to spot who the chump REALLY is...
These New Yuck m/fers are nothing if not entertaining
but in a mixed emotions kind of way...
>McCarthy and Tracy driving off a cliff in your
brand new car...<
Is it horror or is it amusement as it tumbles down
the cliff in flames?
Kind of how many of us feel about what's happening
to this city and this department.
Just keep your head down and outlast these
rank incompetents...
People will still do street stopsn to stay on management, tac or just becauze "I'm a worker". When the lack of a spine bites you in the ass I will not be at your benifit! The mayor & the public would love nothing more than to fuck you over! Why help them! I'll continue to do what I'm required to do and nothing more
What is this talk about a new anti-terrorism unit? Are they taking applications? Sign me up
Man so much for being the police!! What the hell am I suppose to do for the next 25 years or so?? Might as well go to the burbs and make that money lol!
How can I send you a pic?
More Communist Dictatorial Step-by-Step breakdown of Law Enforcement by DeBlasio the oddball Communist, & Company.
That is the fork. Stick in it CPD, its done!
For everybody who is going to say "if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" remember Derrick Wilson didn't do anything wrong and look what happened to him.
OT
Does anyone have an info regarding this email?
The FOP will host a meeting where we will discuss a possible solution for retiree healthcare. The City has made its intent to cut off coverage for retirees on 1/1/2017 very clear.
Jack Byrnes from Source 1 Benefits will have detailed rate information from Aetna and a comparison to the City plan rates.
All labor groups are invited.
*. Here's the solution. Do Not Cut Healthcare for Retired OR Active CPD. In fact, Improve it. Do so by cutting Welfare, Food Stamps, Taxpayer-Funded Public School Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner Programs. Cut Taxpayer-Funded Public School School Bus Rides for ALL Students that live within 3/4 of a mile from Public School, or charge their parents at least $100 a Month for this Service, per child user. City Tax on ALL Obama-Phone users. City Tax of $1.00 per use, for Drive Thru Pick Up at ALL Chicago Fast Food Restaurants. Surcharge for ALL non-City of Chicago Residents for ALL Chicago Lakefront Beaches, Museums, Zoo, Planetarium, Aquarium, etc. Problem Solved. Now get to it, you dumb, Lazy, Lying Chicagoland commie Politicians.
I will send a separate message with a calendar attachment.
Has the revolution begun yet?! If not, just wake me up when it is, I'm ready. BTW... how does GMac even still have a job?! Everything he does & says pretty much sucks. Oh well, back to my box.
I assure you I will never fill one of those out.
Fuck this city. They can have the city they apparently have wanted..... we'll see how they like it.
Will the Vanecko or Emmanuel printing company get the bid for printing and supplying these forms?
Will they be of the same shoddy quality as our current batches of D Bond books?
Will there be new "desk jockey" positions created to track these silly forms and formulate all kinds of useless data and stats?
It's over, done and never coming back! Thanks to the democrats and liberals and of course spineless police bosses who don't stand up for the taxpaying public,and value the safety of this city! Rahm now man up you must think it makes us safer,as that is what police do correct? dump your security detail and walk among us freely like the citizens do everyday and tell us how safe Chicago is under your rein! "Are you scared?"
Well, the dope boys and those they kick up to will be happy
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT
Does anyone have an info regarding this email?
The FOP will host a meeting where we will discuss a possible solution for retiree healthcare. The City has made its intent to cut off coverage for retirees on 1/1/2017 very clear.
Jack Byrnes from Source 1 Benefits will have detailed rate information from Aetna and a comparison to the City plan rates.
All labor groups are invited.
I will send a separate message with a calendar attachment.
When: 9/29/15 at 2 pm
Where: FOP Lodge 7, 1412 W Washington St.
9/28/2015 05:12:00 AM
Who sent out this email? What I find interesting was at the last FOP meeting you had retirees fill up the room shouting about how they need to be able to hold positions on the board. That they see nothing wrong with it that 100% of the elected spots could be held by retirees. How they have the best interests of everyone in mind and know best. Well is that a two way street? As an active member I am extremely interested in retirees issues because I one day will be one. How come FOP did not send out this info to all members???
What retirees fail to realize is that an active member has interests in both active and retiree benefits a retiree only needs to concerns themselves with retiree benefits.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
9/28/2015 11:15:00 AM
Answers to your questions.
**I'm not a police officer so I want to ask, how is this new idea Rahm and alderman approved supposed to help me, an average law abiding citizen?**
In reference to the actual receipt part, It doesn't help you at all. In fact it may do the opposite. For the most part,law abiding citizens do not have much contact with police. But on those occasions that they do, they usually walk away from the situation with a verbal warning depending upon attitude and the severity of their "mistake". The receipt merely provides the individual with the name and star number of the officer as well as the reason behind the stop. Well guess what else already has all that information on it?? If you said a citation or an arrest report then you are correct. Which ones also, on the surface, has more legitimacy to it?? If you said a citation or an arrest report again then you are on a roll. This is why it doesn't help you, officers will be less inclined to address less serious situations (which is typically going to be drinkers, pissers etc. things commonly referred to as quality of life issues pertaining to the overall public) unless they are willing to make an arrest or issue citations. This also means that on those instances where the law abiding citizen commits some sort of violation that the officers feel they have to address, there is less of a chance of you getting that verbal warning anymore.
cont....
**I want police response times to IMPROVE and I just don't see that happening with more paperwork to slow you guys down. **
You might actually see an improvement in this however. Why? Because the less proactive the police are, the less they are doing, the more they are available to answer calls. However, it could go the other way and the less proactive the officers are, the more crime occurs and that could lead to more reports which may take care of any extra available police. Kind of a paradox and only time will tell.(Note: this is NOT the intention of the individuals who proposed this, merely a byproduct of being less proactive)
cont.. part 3
**Who exactly will this benefit other than criminals?**
It only benefits the criminals and the lawyers. The criminals in that this will lead to less obstructions to their criminal endeavors (less pro-activity). And the lawyers because it just makes it easier to identify the officers that stopped their "clients" and therefore identifies their targets for lawsuits (those hard working officers that are actually out their being proactive). This saves them from having to acquire the information themselves and just aides in fast tracking frivolous lawsuits. The premise will be that if the same officer is stopping the same mope then the officer must be harassing an innocent minority. That is how we are portrayed and that is the environment that we have to adapt to. Much of the public does not trust our judgement and believes everything that a police officer does is based on race. Not every stop merits an arrest and often, the mopes out their hustling, selling, and looking for a crime of opportunity are prepared to be stopped. However, following this line of thinking, when attorneys start actively seeking out mopes that have numerous receipts (meaning they were stopped and not arrested), they will use these to build a case of harassment and sue. Lawyers will be looking for quick payouts and providing services for a large % of the settlement. Oh, and guess who pays for all that? If you said the law abiding tax paying citizen of chicago then you are right again.
About 60 members of the Burnham Park Yacht Club on Northerly Island were sitting down to a surf-and-turf dinner to honor new club members Saturday when embers and ash from the nearby Great Chicago Fire Festival started to fall onto the club, several members told the Tribune.
What a joke. Last year it wouldn't burn. This year they almost burn down the yacht club. And cause tens of thousands in damages. Maybe next year they can actually burn the whole city down.
I knew this after my 4th year on the job. I now have 20 and took the 55 n out with free insurance. I'm glad this police bullshit isn't all I knew! You either sell your soul to the city and learn to suck ass. Or you push a beat car.
I drive around, I answer calls, I get my real work done. And none of it makes me faint.
I'm a sergeant in a north side district and I find it utterly distasteful and completely pointless that policemen on my log feel compelled by to write contact cards as if they supplant arrests-good arrests-as a metric of activity. So you know what McPisspot? I actually discourage my officers from writhing contact cards! What are you going to do about me? Methinks you'll be promoting me to lieutenant soon-in rank order-unless tootsie bell from Park Ridge gives you a grabber during a romantic tete a tete. Then I guess I'll accept by new baton from you know Whosinger! Screw you and screw Rauner and contact cards.
To: OT, and from previous comments:
You are delusional. There are maybe 5% of white shirts that are not full of themselves or think they are a legend, (cesario). Most could not find their own ass with 4 hands and a flashlight. Most are total and complete morons.
cont.. part4
It is as if they thought that up till now the police operated under some sense of anonymity. This is false. Our names, stars, and the reasons we stopped an individual are already recorded on a contact card, citations, or arrest reports. Not to mention that district blue shirts roll around in a car that has numerous identifying numbers on them as well as our names and star numbers prominently displayed on our uniforms. All other facets of the department are required to display their star when taking police action, as well as providing the same documentation via contact cards, citations, and arrest reports. So this seems to be a redundant law that will have catastrophic effects on the way police do their jobs.
**Again, the criminals rights seem to be more important than mine.**
In this case, yes. That is what your liberal democratic local government is saying. They are pandering to maintain the political support of minority groups by feeding into the premise that the police is the problem, and not the criminals who are forcing the police to take action in the first place. And unfortunately for the law abiding citizens, these government tools are getting the police department that they want, at your expense.
cont.... last part..
The reason that the police officers in the recent high profile cases were not convicted of anything is because despite the best efforts of prosecutors to skew the evidence and adjudicate the cases through the biased media, they did not act in a criminal manner. Police officers are human, and they make mistakes. But the idea that every incident should be looked at as an intentional attack because the criminal happened to be a minority is ridiculous.
It always amazes me that african americans have fought the stereotype of every black man is a criminal, yet they embrace and claim criminals as their own with the "black lives matter" mantra when a minority criminals actions leads to his own death. Black lives do matter, nobody said that they didn't. In fact they matter so much that the police officers are there to protect them every day, risking their own lives to do so despite the hatred and contempt we get from the very community we are protecting.. However, criminal lives matter less than the public's, and definitely less than the police officers that has to intervene in the situation that the criminal created.
**Complete bull shit.**
I agree.
I guess, I'll Stop doing Contact Cards on Jerry Graham..But Ill still smoke Crack with him.
We have all been laughing about how the easily predicted parade of self promoting career bosses will all be coming to roll calls telling the lowly POs to "not be deterred and keep making the stops." "35th street wants more contact cards." Then they will go back to their offices and watch TV, a movie, or surf the net before they go home 3 hours early. Clowns!
Do not manufacture reasonable suspicion so the bosses can look good and get promoted. Go by the law and what the ACLU and the court allows. They are the ones you will answer to. Protect yourself and obey the laws.
This is so pathetic. I'm so glad that I'm retired
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RahmRedmoonLLC steps in it again!
Yacht club hot after Chicago Fire Festival damages boats, canopy
09/28/2015, 11:55am
"The conflagration at Northerly Island may have finally been the success organizers of the Great Chicago Fire Festival had envisioned, but some boaters at Burnham Harbor found themselves bombarded by ashes and embers carried by the wind.
"“It was like a meteorite shower,” Chris Edmonds, vice admiral of the Burnham Park Yacht Club, said Monday. “Red sparks were coming down like a snowstorm.”
"Embers burned holes through the private club’s new vinyl canopy that covers its outdoor patio, causing an estimated $6,000 damage.
"The club was hosting an event Saturday night for new members, some of whom were dining outside when the chaos began, Edmonds said.
“People were out there with their kids,” he said.
"Embers also fell on boats, Edmonds said. One burned a hole through a sail that was lying on a boat’s deck. Canvas covers of other boats were also damaged.
"An ember landed on canvas covering Paulette Horne’s dinghy. Onlookers, thankfully, were able to put it out, she said.
“I know a lot goes into planning an event like that. But fire next to a harbor? I don’t know how well that was thought out. It was pretty darn scary. That’s all I can tell you,” Horne, 50, said Monday.
“I plan to reach out to organizers of the event and their insurance provider,” said Edmonds, an attorney.
"The Great Chicago Fire Festival burned a structure on Northerly Island Saturday night. The performance was hailed as a success after a dud last year in which the fire failed to fully ignite.
“Whoever organized this obviously doesn’t know anything about boating or wind conditions,” Edmonds said. When firefighters arrived to check the roof of the yacht club for damage “they were absolutely livid...”
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/994890/burnham-yacht-club-chicago-fire-festival
Anonymous said...
Speaking of mayhem what the fuk happened to state lake in the loop its white junkie town. City if chiraq doomed !!
9/28/2015 09:41:00 AM
I was downtown and it's no better North of the River. State street looks like a Jersey ghetto. I guess McStreetlightassasin missed home.
In the Academy they are telling detectives no more off the detective list, and approx. 150 SGTS. in the next couple of weeks. No merit all from list.
I just came back from a week at a friend's house near Knoxville, Tennessee. What a great house for just over 200 grand and the property tax is only, wait... $800.00 a year plus 90 buck a month for street maintenance. He also pays for garbage collection and water, but the fees are low. But, the amazing think is that you can buy a rifle or a handgun or ammunition at the flea markets and at garage sales and all you need is you state driver's license. No waiting period, no FOID card, no mountains of paperwork, no hassles . And, they don't have nearly the shootings and killings that you see up here/ That tells me that the behavior of the population is in question, not the amount or availability of firearms. Something no one wants to talk about. Concealed carry is a big think in Tennessee. I think we have a problem with the local populace.
Anonymous said...
These are about as useful to policing, as Caps Beat Books in squad trunks, the old Humper Log, and Bus checks...
9/28/2015 11:03:00 AM
I actually liked and agreed with the old beat books and the CTA checks. At least it gave you an idea of what goes on in a beat that you never worked and it forced people to get on the bus and check things out.But, these stop and frisk papers are a total waste.
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Stupid just keeps coming, every minute something else...
District Attorney on New York's Long Island bans prosecutors from owning guns
September 28, 2015
"The district attorney of one New York county is prohibiting prosecutors from owning a handgun -- a rule some law experts claim is unconstitutional.
"The Nassau County District Attorney's Office on New York's Long Island bars its prosecutors from possessing a handgun, even at home, unless a special exception is made by the Acting District Attorney, Madeline Singas, according to an application for employment.
"Assistant district attorneys are not permitted to apply for a handgun permit nor own or possess a handgun while employed by the Nassau County District Attorney. Any exception to this policy must be in writing and approved by the District Attorney," the application states.
Eugene Volokh, a professor at UCLA School of Law, said Monday the policy violates an individual's Second Amendment rights as well as an important New York state statute. "I'm not arguing they should have extra rights beyond what everyone else has; I'm arguing they should have the same rights."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/28/district-attorney-on-new-york-long-island-bans-prosecutors-from-owning-guns
Chicago copper with decades to go...what did we get ourselves into?
And it will be curious to see if Dean Angelo has any public comment about the issue. Wait, what, hahahaha.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, and from previous comments:
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas...Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God's gift to police work...Georgas put together the entire NATO detail...
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Georgas has a master plan, and that plan involves making himself look good in the eyes of the mayor and the superintendent. I have never met someone as focused on getting himself promoted as he is...well...there once was this guy named Leo...but that is a story for another day.
Debra Kirby would be surprised to know that Georgas "put together the entire NATO detail," as there were many others involved in the process, and they all reported to her.
Also, over the years there have been numerous rumors of "secret study groups" and the promotional process. Here are the irrefutable facts:
Georgas, Kennedy, Caluris, and several others were in a study group for lieutenant when all of them were Maurer's "inside guys." At the time, Maurer was a Senior Subject Matter Expert (SSME), and as such he helped write the exam, along with the test developers. And before the exam was administered, Maurer, Hiram Grau, and Terry Hillard were able to review every line of that exam. And every member of that study group was promoted to lieutenant, with rank scores of #1 (Kennedy, Maurer's long-time administrative sergeant), #3, #4, and so on. ENOUGH SAID.
The only flaw in Steve's master plan is that he drags PO Kim K. as his "secretary" everywhere he goes. The problem lies in the fact that she can't keep her mouth shut about even the most confidential matters, and she has such an incredible sense of entitlement that she thinks that she is the deputy chief. Even other high-ranking members know that this is a fact. She's a full-duty PO who deserves to be in a district working midnights.
9/28/2015 03:29:00 AM
100% spot on. The chosen ones scored "legit" so they wouldn't have the merit moniker following them around, but make no mistake, uncle Jimmy took care of his admin sergeants.
America is heading in a very sad direction where bad people are given all the protections and the good are left to fend for themselves. America is dying at the hands of politicians that will do anything to stay in power.
Almost as if liberals want this city to fail.011 complete warzone,bodies piling up,007 picking up after chiraq,back the yards just had 1 year old shot and this is city's response to it all. Ladies and gents policing will die as you know it.Sad days upon law abiding citizens, Detroit we are right behind you, give us few years.Sounds like there is a hidden agenda.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And once again Dean and the FOP are right on this.
9/28/2015 05:03:00 AM
Dude! Give it a rest. This is state law. Get your head out of your ass.
Cave into the crying 1% of the criminal population The rest of this city won't have anything to worry about !!
Funny thing though.
99% of the the cops and sgts I have come across out there since Rauner signed it into law have No Clue of whats coming.
My list if things I won't do on this job is getting longer than the things I will do. I wonder if the families of people killed by criminals using guns are glad that police stop and frisk less often. At least the person who killed your son didn't have his rights violated by those dirty racist police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, and from previous comments:
To the Quoter who put Lemmer in the same boat as Georgas...Georgas is an educated guy, he is a worker and just doesn't like dog Asses who do nothing !!!! He doesn't think that he is God's gift to police work...Georgas put together the entire NATO detail...
9/27/2015 04:29:00 PM
Georgas has a master plan, and that plan involves making himself look good in the eyes of the mayor and the superintendent. I have never met someone as focused on getting himself promoted as he is...well...there once was this guy named Leo...but that is a story for another day.
Debra Kirby would be surprised to know that Georgas "put together the entire NATO detail," as there were many others involved in the process, and they all reported to her.
Also, over the years there have been numerous rumors of "secret study groups" and the promotional process. Here are the irrefutable facts:
Georgas, Kennedy, Caluris, and several others were in a study group for lieutenant when all of them were Maurer's "inside guys." At the time, Maurer was a Senior Subject Matter Expert (SSME), and as such he helped write the exam, along with the test developers. And before the exam was administered, Maurer, Hiram Grau, and Terry Hillard were able to review every line of that exam. And every member of that study group was promoted to lieutenant, with rank scores of #1 (Kennedy, Maurer's long-time administrative sergeant), #3, #4, and so on. ENOUGH SAID.
The only flaw in Steve's master plan is that he drags PO Kim K. as his "secretary" everywhere he goes. The problem lies in the fact that she can't keep her mouth shut about even the most confidential matters, and she has such an incredible sense of entitlement that she thinks that she is the deputy chief. Even other high-ranking members know that this is a fact. She's a full-duty PO who deserves to be in a district working midnights.
9/28/2015 03:29:00 AM
Brother helping brother...A la the dynamic dual brothers from 025. Not quite exempts yet but otw. Thanks secret study group.
It's obvious that the powers that be do not want any street stops as they lead to arrests, court time, convictions and subsequent reversals. Then law suits and damages awarded to jagoffs by the city that does NOT work.
Garry's parting gift to CPD. Adios, you bum.
In the Academy they are telling detectives no more off the detective list, and approx. 150 SGTS. in the next couple of weeks. No merit all from list.
9/28/2015 06:50:00 PM
Sgts are only short about 80, they might make a class of 30 or so.
IF i were still on the job and HAD to write a card i'd make sure to keep a copy [if there's no copy to keep - then i'd Xerox it]. As a previous poster noted, how to you protect yourself from the "he ain't givs me no reeceept" allegation?
One good thing about the NY form: No subject name/info on the form. "Eyes dont have to givs you my name, Eyes knows my rites!!"
When the body cams arrive - you could record the "presentation" of the street stop diploma to the good citizen. Maybe have a local Mc Donalds award a Happy Meal if you have at least 3 street stop diplomas in one week.
And once again Dean and the FOP are right on this.
9/28/2015 05:03:00 AM
Dude! Give it a rest. This is state law. Get your head out of your ass
Dude, That is the problem. If Dean would get down to Springfield and fight legislation like this we wouldn't be stuck with it, Dude!!!
Jim O'Grady the old Superintenant started a club called " The Round Table." Among the members were Charlie Roberts, Jim Mauer, Jack Kennedy, Brad Woods, Stevens and many others who made exempt. Georgia's and Chris Kennedy and a few others studied for the promotional exams in Jack Kennedy's basement. Now Georgas is making people , so the Round Table is alive and well.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And once again Dean and the FOP are right on this.
9/28/2015 05:03:00 AM
Dude! Give it a rest. This is state law. Get your head out of your ass
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The issue is that Dean, son, and minions are on the wrong side of the issue. Dean is pro body camera and has at also not been against the new form set (have you seen a protest, have you seen any counter organization in the newsletter?).
Dean is the problem. Elect someone who does street stops and responds to calls with a blue shirt in a district in the last 20 years. That person has my back.
What is the actual purpose of collecting contact cards? Other than a contest between bosses to impress the new yorker, what real police purpose do they use them for? Keeping someone's someone safely employed in a "contact card processing" office. Has anyone actually said how the information on those cards is used? What is the cost/benifit for storing the data? Is the information really useful other than for lawsuits by bottom feeding lawyers? I remember when they had inspectors remove all gang cards etc from tact offices because a judge ruled that it was illegal to keep such files. I really don't think that the department would or could use them for any police purpose because people are forced to make them out and the people stopped have been known to lie. You can't guarantee they are accurate. It seems like a piss poor way of policing but we know that!
the government has a duty to comply with the 4th Amendment, prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures.
A Terry Stop is considered a seizure.
In a day and age where Police Officers are killed daily for sport, and all that is needed to find out where the Officer and his family live is a name! Conveniently written on a piece of paper to be passed around! NO THANKS on make any street stops or contact cards, or any crime fighting for that matter.
Clearly the political class is pandering to a segment of the population that finds police cops venturing into certain neighborhoods to do police cop stuff intrusive and obstructive to their way of life. That's fine. I would just as soon not go into certain neighborhoods at all, but damn it we keep getting called back there like 40 times a night to resolve disputes and solve problems.
Which is it, people? Do you want police or not? Make up your minds. But choose wisely.
And I like the phone number on the right side of the page about how to allege police misconduct. As easy as ordering a pizza. Groundless beefs will skyrocket. Sure, they may e eventually be unfounded but police cops will have to deal with administrative bull shit in the meantime. Who has time for that noise?
I don't blame the cops for not wanting to stop anyone due to this nonsense. However, since they will be forced to make some stops, my guess is that they will stop those less likely to be true trouble makers (aka ghetto bangers) and will instead stop non-trouble makers (for example, a soccer mom who doesn't quite make a full stop at an intersection).
Trust me, I'm not blaming the cops, but due to bullshit like this, those that SHOULD be stopped most likely WILL NOT be stopped. And if the bosses demand more stops, it will be those who really don't need to be stopped....because they will not scream racism, etc.
The lazy officers are the ones who are most vocal: "oh boy now this means the end of proactive policing". No it doesn't. The workers will continue to go out there and work. Big fucking deal- I stop dude on a perfectly stated terry stop and I even articulate the reason. So that means I am covered.
When I retire...I am going to stand on a street corner in a predominantly black neighborhood, under a Street camera, and look out of place. When the police stop me, frisk me, and want to do a contact card, I'm going to supplement my retirement by filing a lawsuit for profiling. I hope it's a tactical wanna be that does the card...Nothing personal, just business old chap. It's the city's money I want. They seem to want to give it away...
Georgas hates dogasses hahaha. He was the biggest dogass in sos. Other pos were told to put him on their arrests so he had activity. Taken care of his whole career
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Funny thing though.
99% of the the cops and sgts I have come across out there since Rauner signed it into law have No Clue of whats coming.
9/28/2015 08:57:00 PM
True more like 99.9% don't realize the negative impact this will do to policing! Good thing January hot coffee,paper,DVR, lunch,gas,wash,vehicle service,personals end of tour goodnight! check off 0000 Boss? "Sorry didn't see nuttin boss!" going to keep job,pension,freedom,house,family and protect my Blue Brothers and sisters!
Jim O'Grady - the old Superintendent - started a club called " The Round Table." Among the members were Charlie Roberts, Jim Maurer, Jack Kennedy, Brad Woods, Rich Stevens, and many others who made exempt. Georgas and Chris Kennedy and a few others studied for the promotional exams in Jack Kennedy's basement. Now Georgas is making people, so the Round Table is alive and well.
9/29/2015 07:55:00 AM
Ah, yes...the "Round Table." It's been a long time since I've heard that term. This poster is 100% correct, as is the previous poster who brought up Maurer's involvement in the development of the promotional exams and the fact that his "guys" scored remarkably well on the test. The "Round Table" was alive and well as recently as when Maurer was Chief of Patrol or, as he likes to say, Deputy Superintendent, even though his successor Charles Williams was the first Deputy Superintendent of Patrol. Maurer used to have his secretaries call all of the "members" to tell them to meet at Dugan's North, Jack Kennedy's deck, etc. And apparently the "Round Table" still exists, as Georgas is now in a position to "make" people. The big question is, how long will it take him to make the last of Maurer's administrative sergeants, Jimmy F., (now a sergeant in Gangs) a lieutenant? Jimmy didn't have enough time in grade to make it with the others while Maurer was still around.
To make sure the individual can't claim that they didn't get a receipt following a street stop, have them sign a receipt for the receipt. Maybe then they will use their real name. Don't forget to take his picture with your cell phone in case you haven't yet been issued a body camera. O yes it is getting even crazier.
the government has a duty to comply with the 4th Amendment, prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures.
A Terry Stop is considered a seizure.
9/29/2015 08:35:00 AM
Yup. Thats what we've all been taught in the academy. Now show me where I have to provide a receipt? Or are you saying you think I don't know how to do my job?
Anonymous said...
The lazy officers are the ones who are most vocal: "oh boy now this means the end of proactive policing". No it doesn't. The workers will continue to go out there and work. Big fucking deal- I stop dude on a perfectly stated terry stop and I even articulate the reason. So that means I am covered.
9/29/2015 10:17:00 AM
Yeah, Darren Wilson thought so to.
When I retire...I am going to stand on a street corner in a predominantly black neighborhood, under a Street camera, and look out of place. When the police stop me, frisk me, and want to do a contact card, I'm going to supplement my retirement by filing a lawsuit for profiling. I hope it's a tactical wanna be that does the card...Nothing personal, just business old chap. It's the city's money I want. They seem to want to give it away...
9/29/2015 10:18:00 AM
That's funny . What are you doing here? Buying dope? Good god policing is dead.
ENOUGH SAID! WRONG SILLY BOY Tommy go get in your box.
Georgas, Kennedy, Caluris, and several others were in a study group for lieutenant when all of them were Maurer's "inside guys." At the time, Maurer was a Senior Subject Matter Expert (SSME), and as such he helped write the exam, along with the test developers. Also, over the years there have been numerous rumors of "secret study groups" and the promotional process. Here are the irrefutable facts:
#1 Forgot Biggane made Lt off the next list Maurer Admin Sgt
#2Caluris was a Cline guy- Maurer hated Cline because Cline was chosen over the "Savage Caller" for sup
#2 Kennedy and Georgas made Sgt off of different tests but within a year apart, made Lt together how did Maurer pull that off ??? He wasn't even that bing of boss then maybe Commander of A/4.
#3 NO wrong test the true secret study group was 2003 with SME Capt Jan Robarts Dillion- Lemeka, Stiscak,Casey desk crew from 017. Jan gave Casey/ on medical leave her friend the second portion of the test at Casey's home. In fact Palowhouski the SGT union Pres tried to file an injunction due to the aforementioned before he stole a million dollars.
#4 notify the watch Commander Lts, exam scam Sgts-dumb ass probably was not on the job yet
#5 Not every one liked Townsend but at least he would make a decision, so will Georgas and stand by it, which is more than can be said of 90% of the current exempts. Did Stevie step on your toes ouchie.
#6 Your Biggest Mistake: Thomas J. Lemmer is a complete whack job, Cletus the slack jaw local from the Simpsons, should of spent some of that big capt money to get his teeth fixed, and his mouthwash ain't cutting it.
#7 Not our fault you cant pass a test. Georgas was not merit so gfys, because almost all the others (Exempts) with him at one time or another were.
PS. Lemmer tell your minions to stay off the blog enough said.
And when you give him a receipt with the reason and he sues you stating you lied on the reason for the stop and he was just walking down the street doing nothing. Good luck on how you think you will be protected because everything you did was legal. You know what goes on and if you still do it you have no one to blame but yourself.
Also, over the years there have been numerous rumors of "secret study groups" and the promotional process. Here are the irrefutable facts:
Oh yeah D-bag! Caluris was a SGT in 024,Gang investigations, and A/4 when Kobel was the Commander in that order and prior to make Lt. So all knowing one Tell me how Maurer made him again Caluris was Maurer admin Sgt? So what you talkin abouts willis you talking cray cray and be on some Bull.
Jim O'Grady - the old Superintendent - started a club called " The Round Table." Among the members were Charlie Roberts, Jim Maurer, Jack Kennedy, Brad Woods, Rich Stevens, and many others who made exempt. Georgas and Chris Kennedy and a few others studied for the promotional exams in Jack Kennedy's basement from the grassy knoll while making dangerous mind enhancing smoothies with the magic bullet, and were blessed to basque aura of forbidden prior knowledge. Caluris was the patsy.
Yes yes great One of knowledge! you are correct sir! all for but one small thing James O'Grady the former super called it not the round table but the "Octagon". It was all knowing an ever powerful.
It consisted of officers who came on the job together Maurer,Kennedy,Stevens,and Radtke they worked together drank together remained life long friends those evil men. The round table was their open, inside joke/excuse to meet up and drink. Of course many a hanger=-on soon to followed.
On the other hand-Jim O'Grady who was super under Balandic resigned immediately after Byrne became mayor elect 1979. O Grady returned briefly in late 1981 to be the First Dept until 1983, O'Grady was from a earlier generation of policing. Yet it had been foretold that 3 decades later Kennedy and Georgas would being given the answers to the Lt. test
As you can tell I just love history. It was so much more easier when you mushes said that Kennedy was related to the Kennedys and Steve Georgas was related to Daley's former Chief of staff Georges even though her name is spelled differently.
God Bless Jimmy O'Grady and his family, thank for all your dad did for my family in our time of need. Sadly this is not your father's police Dept.
Now show me where I have to provide a receipt?
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Maybe because your employer told you to?
No, it was called the Round Table and O'Grady made Mauer and his crew, then Mauer made Georgas and many others. It was also a travel club as these guys would vacation together every year. O'Grady has two nephews who own a travel agency that would make their travel arrangements. Most of the members of the Round Table became exempt, including his two drivers.
The octagon? Don't like being outed, do you ?
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