Friday, November 20, 2015

Expect Better

You'd think a judge would have some clue about tainting a potential jury pool, but then you remember, it's Cook County, and the judges are morons...or crooked...or crooked morons:
  • The fatal shooting of African-American teenager Laquan McDonald by a white Chicago police officer garnered scant attention when it happened in October 2014, even though it occurred in the midst of a national outcry over the questionable killings of minority suspects.

    It wasn't until the city's unusual decision in April to approve a $5 million settlement for McDonald's family that details began to surface of a disturbing video that allegedly shows the officer firing 16 rounds into McDonald's body, many as he lay prone on the ground.

    Now, as a federal criminal probe of the incident continues, the final, violent moments of McDonald's life are poised to finally be broadcast around the world.

    In a packed Daley Center courtroom Thursday, a Cook County judge ordered the release of the police dashboard cam video by Wednesday, saying in an 18-page ruling that lawyers for the city had failed to prove that making the recording public would jeopardize any ongoing investigation.
The city, of course, collapsed and suspended their appeal.

A judge shouldn't be worried about an investigation. A judge should be worried about a trial, a fair trial, a trial that will stand up to appeals and more appeals. A just trial with no reversible error.

In the meantime, we have John Kass and Carol Marin among others saying the city is a tinderbox, waiting to explode and riots are just around the corner when the public finally gets to look at this video.

We're going to be contrary and say to those who have such low expectations of the minority citizens of our fair city, "For shame! They will not riot at the sight of this video. Community leaders will not allow this to spiral out of control. To think that this community of Chicago is so short sighted as to burn, loot and pillage in direct contrast to the peaceful sermons and healing words of Dr. King is racist and you should be ashamed to fan these flames to further your agenda. We fully expect Jesse and Jesse Jr and Louis and Phleger to peacefully march, to allow the system to work, to pray and ensure that a thorough investigation is allowed to continue to its logical and unerring conclusion. Again, shame on all of you naysayers."

Let's see if that works.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The media will be to blame if there are any uprisings....they're the ones that keep saying it.

11/20/2015 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They need to investigate these judges and how much and if any connection to any law firm parties or interest are happening here or In many cases...let a jury decide its fate...

11/20/2015 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Media wants Mayhem. It sells papers and makes them stars. Kass and Marin are on their way out. We know many who have stopped reading Kass and Marin...his columns are boring and she is too darn strident...(don't know how she's lasted this long). Shame on them for stirring the pot. Let's stick with SCC...we have a terrific citizenry over-all....let Cool Heads prevail!!!!

11/20/2015 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there's any ray of sunshine to be grasped at here.... maybe the fact that this whole thing happened last year and the dust has partly settled? And the family accepted a settlement of millions? And the fact that they and their attorney did not want the video to be released?

ARE THERE ANY COOL HEADS LEFT IN THIS CITY?

PLEASE

11/20/2015 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd be going for a bench trial if I was the P/O. A jury will nail him to the cross, if for any reason to save their own lives.

11/20/2015 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this video is as bad as the rumors we are hearing about it, then the shit has the high potential to hit fan unlike our generation of police has ever seen! Stay safe, watch each others' backs and don't be stupid.
Signed, a fellow, veteran street copper on the West Side that'll be working in the field alongside you.

11/20/2015 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK YOU NEWS MEDIA! For fanning the fucking flames before they're even lit.

11/20/2015 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Da communerty be needin' to take ovah
Cee-Pee-Dee!"

Heh...
The "community" already has had de facto control over
CPD for years.

And m/fers are STILL literally chasing each other down
and cannibalizing each other on the streets of such
garden spots like 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 011, 015 etc...

What the fuck else do they want?

"We wants y'all to leave us alone!"
Ok... Done.

"Why y'all actin' like y'all don't care
about us?"
WTF?

"Y'all ain't doin' enough to fight all this crime up in heah!"
But you said for us to leave you alone?

"Y'all keep talkin' about how y'all can't wait to retire
an' get away from us..."
Well yeah... There's that...

20, 25, 30 or more years
of trying to bring law, order and some modicum of
civility to a demographic that openly rejects a seat at
the table with the rest of civilized society is enough to
make young men prematurely old and good men bitter...

The Police are the problem.
Right?



11/20/2015 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You forget that the Chicago native is different from the rest of the world.. They won't riot.. 500-1000 hipsters will show up downtown as the usually do but that's it. A few weeks of hipster drama and the city will return to normal

11/20/2015 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, if the statement "16 rounds into McDonald's body, many as he lay prone on the ground" doesn't legitimately taint a jury, can't see how the video is going to do any further damage to his "defense".

As for the tinderbox, and I'm sorry to be less-than-sympathetic, but if you don't want to see riots -- because these morons will riot for any incoherent reason they feel like -- can you NOT see the difference between "doing your job" and "16 rounds into McDonald's body, many as he lay prone on the ground"? Stop, for just a second. Think about it. NO difference?

Guess what I'm saying is, when we see terrorists commit brutality, we sometimes wonder why good people of the same persuasion don't stand up and say something more against it. So when we see a bad cop commit brutality, why don't we see more good cops simply speaking out against it? Just saying.

11/20/2015 01:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can I get an event number?

11/20/2015 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Snappers Scallon said...

It was all a matter of time before something like this would happen in Chicago. The post Ferguson, post B-Mo, Post NYC "choke hold" world is more concerned about propagating a myth that #BlackLivesMatter than getting to the truth. Time for rioting, looting, burning, and plundering to make a moot point. The city could use a bit of "urban renewal" from the top down though. There's only one question though, "cui bono?" Who benefits? Certainly, not the city, it's residents, or the now ever lowly copper.

The ASA's had this case for a year with no charges filed. The Feds for 7 months with no charges. The copper is on a fast track to separation and a lifetime of hate from all sides. The City Council already paid off the family. Could it be that it was a justified yet ugly as shit shooting? You bet your ass. Any time we use force, it's always ugly. Yet, here we are about to get our asses handed to us politically with all the fingers pointing in our direction. Quite frankly, this is sad. I pray this will be my last riot to endure. Three to Five more years to go. I'd rather serve my last years in this city getting punked by Blago on a daily basis than go through another cowardly, pointless, demonstration of moronic stupidity. This is going to be like the King riots but on an grander scale. The "peaceful protestors" are preparing as I type. Are you?

Squirrel away the important people and things in a far away, safe place. Get you gear squared away. Be mentally prepared for the absolute worst in humanity. Watch your partners back. Watch your buddies back. Watch the most hated copper's in your district back. Thankfully, we are all we have.

Let this city burn.


11/20/2015 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to recent statistics, "minorities" arent actually minorities in this town anymore. But, for the sake of the clever way I'm going to say this, we'll call 'Em minorities.

It's not "minorities" you have to worry about. It's the minority of the minorities -- the opportunists, the bored kids, the bad kids, & the opportunists bored bad kids and adults who'll cause the problem.

In Baltimore, it started with those HS students who weren't allowed to bored a bus. Escalated with adults.

Ferguson's first riot is hard to pinpoint who kicked it off. But the second one started with kids as seen on a live feed. egged on by adults(Mike Browns dad).


I hope the city will still stand Nov. 26th. Even if it's just the south and west sides.

The fuel to the flames was added with all the speculation surrounding the video and how it's being described as "horrible". I don't think a riot will happen, but I also believe if one happens it'll be astronomical simply because of the mentality on the streets now-a-days.

11/20/2015 01:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations commander KJ your ineptitude was on full display at compstat today.

11/20/2015 01:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is done is done. Now we have to deal with the aftermath. Guys try to ready yourselves, your families, your house, your cars. Have provisions ready in case you have to stay indoors for a period of time. If you are near the epicenter of where this will kickoff have what you need ready and be prepared to vacate the area or the city if need be. Wish you all the best.

11/20/2015 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally I get to use the "SQUAD ONE! WEDGE FORMATION!!" Move!!! Back!!! Move!!! Back!!!
Kidding. Gotta have some fun with it though.
Stay safe all

11/20/2015 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The #BLM bunch will go ballistic when that video goes public. Chicago will burn, just like Detroit did back in the bad ole days.

11/20/2015 02:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well...this'll be interesting.

11/20/2015 02:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is the officer going to be charged now? If that is what the lynch mob wants then is that what Anita Alvarez give in to? She is running for another term.

11/20/2015 02:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judge Valderrama is a supreme court appointee which means he's a life long hack. He probably wandered the halls of traffic court or chasing after ambulances and now he's a big city judge. Go back to defending speeding tickets in minor rooms Valderrama.

11/20/2015 03:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe there will be several planned marches throughout the city once the video is released. Unlike the past situations in other cities, this officer will ultimately be charged and receive prison time unfortunately. The video will definitely speak for itself. Will all would like to come to the defense of our fellow brother in blue, but only he can explain why he fired and struck McDonald 16 times. With 16 hits you know the first round or two must have put him down. To continue firing after the "threat" has been eradicated will be the issue.

My God bless you officer and stay strong during these upcoming trying times.

11/20/2015 04:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah but they just increased the taxes on when you file a lawsuit in cook co. so think of all that tax revenue! It's all good, right? /sarc

11/20/2015 04:15:00 AM  
Blogger JohnL said...

Well shame on me too. However....Chicago's South and West sides are just waiting for an excuse to burn their neighborhoods down. Hope I am wrong.

11/20/2015 04:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the goofs who think that Phil Cline does not deserve a salary from the Memorial Foundation. Do you work for free?

11/20/2015 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the mayor can give some space in the city for demonstrators to express themselves and others some place to destroy like the mayor of Baltimore did earlier this year. Some of us early shoppers would like to know when the Black Friday festivities will begin and where.

11/20/2015 05:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So a democratic judge, who was voted in, made this decision?

11/20/2015 05:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....and want more that just 5 Mil

11/20/2015 06:04:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Only one question---How did he become a judge? That's why he does what he does.

11/20/2015 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I expected the Feguson protests to be bad here but for the most part it was white boys and girls with bright colored hair marching through 64th and Emerald.

11/20/2015 06:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank God for winter

11/20/2015 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And when the city goes up for grabs, you can expect Kass, sitting on his fat ass in Western Springs to say this is what the rest of the city had coming. Given the temperament of the Black Lives Matter crowd, this video will make the Abatte tavern beating look like a ping pong match. The only thing that might offset increased street thuggery may be the onset of cold weather. But as you point out, Phleger and company will be revving up.

11/20/2015 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great writing, but it doesn't take one fact into consideration: "Amo gonna get me a big screen this time. Be hangin' around the big box stores early, for when it jumps!"

11/20/2015 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've seen it. Dust off the helmets, the BLM people (or folks) finally have their Chicago fix.I blame the US Attny for sitting on this for so long.

11/20/2015 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Turtle Suit said...

MFF guys/gals...might be you're fixing to get deployed....

11/20/2015 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Worked the bulls riots, when we had "general Mauer" in charge, jimmy was a man he said what he means and meant what he said!" We had the gas team going Down 16th street streets cleared quickly damage was minimal, he stood behind us, backed us up, was right in the middle of this not hiding in an office. Jim even wore a gas mask, to show bravery, what he did and what he expected! Now of course that was before everyone having phones, before media offered huge payouts to people that wanted to get anything police do for a story, before the "Ferguson effect" (yes rahm it is real, fbi director even knows and is 110% correct! From Lisa madigan piling on with her opinions to release this video, to rahms cowering and not countering this release, I agree with Gary this investigation is not done why release it now? Holidays ar rapidly approaching, Thanksgiving is next week the video to be released by day before thanksgiving! Day after is "Black Friday" let's hope the only Black Friday deals are store sales not black mayhem! Watched some news and the black lies matter thugs are already here, wonder how many buses are being "imported" from elsewhere to cause mayhem!

Some advice younger blue lives matter brother and sister try your helmet on,adjust the strap to fit correctly, make sure gas mask fits, baton is working, bring snack bars, extra bottled water, coffee in thermos, change of clothes (in case you get liquids on you), disinfectant wipes, make sure squad car is fueled, long underwear, stocking cap (wear under helmet), extra set of safety goggles, first aid kit, peroxide, fully charged cell phone, put number of partners around you in it in case your separated and radio communications are out, extra batteries for radios, flashlight (charged), weapons strip them down oil and make sure they are in working order (make sure ammo is fresh), check your vest proper adjustment, cuffs (have you used them lately, slight bit of oil on hinge)! If you could add more to this please do!

Lastly SCC is here, propaganda in media and bosses will be there, the real police will come home to SCC and give advice and tell the truth (mostly except for trolls) may God bless us all! We are all we have!!

11/20/2015 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous 1127X said...

If the video is all it's said to be, it needs to be shown. And the officer identified, fired, and charged.
I don't see how any rational person could see any other perspective.
I don't care about his being a fellow P.O. Fuck That!
I guarantee you that if the scripts were flipped, and this had been some asswipe gunning down a P.O., under these same alleged circumstances, every cop on this blog, and anywhere else, would want the video shown for all to see.
Why should this be any different?
Guys here seem to take great pride and saying "Let This City Burn". Well, then, lets go. Lawsuit be damned.

11/20/2015 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mainstream media sees itself more and more marginalized, and so, to increase their circulation, and hence their advertising revenue, and to increase their own feelings of self-worth, they must fan the passions of the ignorant, so that they can appear to be at the forefront of "reporting the news."

11/20/2015 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we know when its getting released? Ill bet they would like to between Christmas and New Years on a cold cold day.

11/20/2015 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the media's arguments supporting the release of this video, then every video of every taped interview with homicide suspects, would be public property and could be shown to the public before any trial of the accused commenced.

And this is supposed to be justice? America? This is supported by the U.S. Constitution?

Morons.

11/20/2015 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I''ve already got my eye on that 60 inch UHD television. I figure I can get it cheap.

11/20/2015 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sarcasm from SCC, perish the thought. I have not seen this video, but someone who has, told me that it is bad for us and to expect problems. The same people who were silent over the death of Tyshawn Lee will be out in force over this one.

11/20/2015 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow Rahman you and Steinberg with your highlighted comment in the sun times paper today nothing like inflaming more! You want mayhem destruction? Fanning the flames like this will produce so much anti-police anger! Idiotic insanity please resign rahm, you left for China last night rahm? Leader? Not going to quote look at their comments page 7 incredible! Blue lives matter please protect each other and police families liberals you elected rahm think about it!

11/20/2015 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently, at this point in time anywyas, it will be released by court order, no later than 25 Nov 2015. Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving and the following day, Black Friday [some invisible humor there] being the beginning of the Christmas/Holiday shopping season. Spectacular timing on so many levels.

11/20/2015 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here we go....

11/20/2015 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is nothing left to burn on the West and South sides of this city because it is already a wasteland! Take a drive through it some time and you will believe you are in a third world city slum in Africa!

On the North side, I see more CCL holders and I tell people at every chance, usually during giving some victim a stupid police report, to arm yourselves for protection because the Police cannot protect you anymore!

Police kill bad guy = racism, brutality, no restraint, poor training, blah, blah!

Honest Joe citizen kill bad guy = Hero, exercising 2nd Amendment rights, blah!

You decide which way this country is heading!

11/20/2015 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should ve waited for the coldest day of the winter

11/20/2015 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all police officers. Please be careful. To all tact officers, gang officers, unit 189 officers that are proactive. Be aware that management will not have your back. The mayor and others will throw you under the bus.

11/20/2015 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, it isn't April 1st.

11/20/2015 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get your riot gear ready.

11/20/2015 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You gotta love the way the media keeps showing him in a cap & gown.
I guess the couldn't find a kindergarten picture of him.
Keep throwing gasoline on the "tinderbox" you media jagoffs. Blood on YOUR hands.
Should boost your saging ratings.

11/20/2015 09:02:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Okaaaaay, so we have a guy with a knife acting crazy, who won't obey police commands, cuts the tire of a squad car, and the guy is also hopped up on PCP.

PCP, the drug that's known to give the user the strength of a dozen people and, impervious to gun shot wounds. 'Heck', he's lucky he *was* only shot 16 times!!

But forget all that. The cop is guilty because he's white and the PCP druggie liked kittens, loved basketball, was an 'Honor Student' in the 5th grade, and sang in the church choir.

Well, that is, when he wasn't hopped up on PCP and attacking people with knives.

11/20/2015 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As Chief O'Hara would say from the old Batman series, "Oh,Heaven's saints preserve us!"

11/20/2015 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey scc, let it go. Less stress.

11/20/2015 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a disaster waiting to happen. There is no other possible reason to release this video except to incite a race riot. I wonder which area(s) will be looted and burned to the ground? Will the politicians "give them room to destroy" along Michigan Avenue? Lincoln Park? How about the Gold Coast?

And lets not forget just how gruesome this is. Going forward, are they going to release all crime scene photos to the public? I would imagine that the family of murder victims would prefer that the world not see videos or photos of their loved ones being murdered or laying dead in a pool of blood. That is sick!!

I can think of many heinous crimes that have occurred in Chicago (and the world) and I personally would NOT want to view the photos/videos of the carnage. It's voyeuristic, sick and obscene to publish material like this that should not be shown outside of a police investigation or a court of law.

Brace yourselves, Chicago, you are going to get a taste of Ferguson & Baltimore. The judge is an idiot!

11/20/2015 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The troublemakers and rabble rousers won't be local natives. They will be imported professional agitators bought and paid for by the Alinskyite Soros chaos peddlers. I have confidence that the locals are so profoundly lazy, so blown out on weed, that they cannot bestir themselves to reenact so momentous an orgy of destruction as say the King riots of '68 for any excuse.

There is a chance I may be wrong, but I say odds are the natives will sit put in their hovels out of the cold and let young naive white idealists or paid off professional agitators make all the noise.

11/20/2015 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

 Anonymous said...

To the goofs who think that Phil Cline does not deserve a salary from the Memorial Foundation. Do you work for free?

11/20/2015 05:06:00 AM
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No, but he shouldn't be getting richer from it either. This is a NON FOR PROFIT organization. $115,000 plus expenses ,car etc is excessive.

11/20/2015 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the goofs who think that Phil Cline does not deserve a salary from the Memorial Foundation. Do you work for free?

No he doesn't deserve a salary or an expense account or a free car. Especially considering he already has a six figure pension plus his other side gigs. Why couldn't a widow or someone that actually needed the money have his position?

11/20/2015 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

To the goofs who think that Phil Cline does not deserve a salary from the Memorial Foundation. Do you work for free?

11/20/2015 05:06:00 AM

If you cannot see the Chicago Police Memorial Foundation as the scam conceived, birthed, nurtured, put into motion and continually spun to entrap the unsuspecting, such as yourself, by Phat Phil, you are the goof. The CPMF is all about Phil, solely for his benefit, and all the other actions you will use to heap praise on him are all bullshit to disguise the true purpose of the CPMF. Phat Phil created his own job for after the job and, while doing so, he arranged to be handsomely rewarded. While his actions are not illegal, they are certainly immoral. Phat Phil is no stranger to immoral actions. If he took no money from the CPMF, I would have to give him his due respect, but he is taking as much as he can from the CPMF trough. Here is where you will say that his salary comes from the corporate contributions, not from the contributions from people on the job. What is the difference if his CPMF salary comes from CPMF Bank Account A or CPMF Bank Account B?
Phat Phil has you way-bullshitted, but you are not the only one. He is quite good at bullshitting people.

11/20/2015 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I only know what I have read about this incident. But to shoot someone when they are down and the threat is over does not sound like a good policy. Department guidelines on the use of force are more restrictive then state law.

11/20/2015 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why weren't the wishes of the family taken into consideration on this? THEY did not want the video to go public. I would think that would be the end of it. They received a settlement and said to not release the video. I think the shit stirrers should have to lick the spoon. This will only fan the flames and put police in greater danger trying to do their jobs. Wasn't it some liberal journalist who fought to have it released? Even over the family's objection. I am smacking my head over this. Hope that guy is happy when the shit hits the fan.

11/20/2015 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Joe Stein said...

Burn, baby burn, Disco Inferno.

Now forward at the half step!

11/20/2015 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:07, you obviously, have never tried to put anyone down (your words) who was high on PCP. Try it, you won't like it. Saw an idiot high on pcp jump out of a third story window, land like a cat and run two blocks on broken legs, and still put up a fight. And he was naked, slamming walls and doors of the whole 3rd floor, which was why the neighbors called 911. Still took 6 cops to get him cuffed and the wagon transported him to the hospital. Probably one of the more amazing things I saw in 29 and a half years.

11/20/2015 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just keep in mind that we are now fighting terrorists, foreign and domestic. These losers ( liberals, hipster, and savages ) will riot no matter what, big thanks to the media whores.. Let's get it over with and move on. There's nothing we can do now because of the incompetent politicians and bosses we have who cares nothing and no one, but, themselves. Sometimes we are our own worse enemy and hate each other. But, let's admit that when the shit hits the fan next week, we are all we have in brothers and sisters and blue. Let's watch our back and make sure that we all go home safely to our family. We're gonna be fine and we will make this through.

11/20/2015 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats done is done release the video already who cares jagoffs in the media want riots and I want an iod so I can have the holidays off.

11/20/2015 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm hearing national guard being called out next week?

11/20/2015 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo! SCC! This is no news story at all --unless someone wants to write one about the drug problem.

Time to reiterate --

PCP FOUND IN SYSTEM OF TEEN SHOT 16 TIMES BY CHICAGO OFFICER

Posted 6:44 AM, April 15, 2015, by Nancy Loo, Updated at 06:48am, April 15, 2015

CHICAGO -- A teenager who was shot and killed by police last October had PCP in his system.

An autopsy revealed that 17-year-old Laquan McDonald was high when police say he threatened a man with a knife, and tried to break into cars at 41st and Kildare.

One officer shot McDonald 16 times, despite claims that McDonald was walking away from him...

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/15/pcp-found-in-system-of-teen-shot-16-times-by-chicago-officer/

Christ, I'm not even going to look for links. The connection between PCP and threatening, erratic, violent behavior is so well known. This is hardly the first time someone has had to empty a magazine -- and sometimes just one wasn't enough.

Pic in one police textbook shows a pair of standard steel handcuffs, broken open and all twisted up. THERE ARE TOOTH MARKS IN THE STEEL. Guy tore them off with his teeth.

Want a news story? Big investigative report? "Where did LaQuan get the PCP? Who is making it? Who is selling this to children? Drug problem in the inner city," etc.

11/20/2015 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But forget all that. The cop is guilty because he's white and the PCP druggie liked kittens, loved basketball, was an 'Honor Student' in the 5th grade, and sang in the church choir.

Well, that is, when he wasn't hopped up on PCP and attacking people with knives

at what point in time did this officer know that this guy was hopped up on PCP...after the autopsy was in?????

11/20/2015 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The shooting was justified. The only issue remaining is "why did he shoot him so many times?" That point is moot since deadly force WAS authorized in this situation. There is nothing on the use-of-force model that demonstrates how much deadly force is too much. Maybe the officer, in the heat of the moment and having a clearly deranged crazy person lunge at him with a knife, didn't even realize how many times he fired. He was in a life or death situation. No one knows how they would react in that situation until they're in it. Tunnel vision. Stress. It all plays a factor on your mind in a situation like this. The officer, if charged, will absolutely beat the case. There's no doubt about that. I don't believe he will be charged though. How can he be charged with murder when deadly force was authorized? He can't. That's why he hasn't been charged yet. The only thing he will be guilty of is violating some type of CPD general order. Not sure which one but I'm sure the city will find one to stick. But murder? Not a chance.
Let's say this situation played out in the exact same way. The only difference being the police drove away and let the crazy knife guy go about his business. Then crazy knife guy kicks in a door on a house and butchers a mom, dad, and their children. Guess who would be blamed. You guessed it. The police. Action had to be taken. Deadly force was authorized and it was used. End of story.

11/20/2015 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the Tenement Museum in New York. The guide was talking about racial discrimination in the 1800s/early 1900s which she said was "surprising" because "we think of New York as being liberal, progressive." Gee, like the bastions of Democratic racial harmony in cities like as Detroit and Chicago?

11/20/2015 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honest Joe citizen kill bad guy = Hero, exercising 2nd Amendment rights, blah!
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Are you smoking crack? Zimmerman ring a bell? Their lives also get destroyed. Anybody who hurts the left's foot soldiers is made an example of, due process and constitutional rights be damned.

11/20/2015 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This made the paper today down here in southern Indiana. Watch your backs, protect the homefront, stay alert. Soooo glad I'm outta there. 1980 - 2010

11/20/2015 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cool. IOD before the holidays! Bring it!

11/20/2015 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Release the video today..... During the snowstorm!

11/20/2015 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line "protect each other!" The media along with mayors comments "acted stupidly," not going to qoute the pathetic mayor,who BTW went to china, he really took a long trip! maybe scared? You cannot tell us the mayor could not pick up the phone call obama and have an "executive order" rendered to "seal" this video! Also you cannot say the U.S.Attorney and FBI could not get a straight plea from the copper and never release this mayhem on the innocent,taxpaying citizens in this pathetic city! The news reporters keep stoking the flames,the locals are looking for a big spot on world news beit Fox,CNN,etc.. Reporters see this as a "stepping stone," how many live here? we know kass,marin and the rest of the incendiary crew are not Chicagoan, they can sit in their nice peaceful homes,go to their area restaurants and not fear the thug,as they type in reporters via computer at home and send them in!

If your rifle qualified, don't matter what great unit your hiding in airport,189,vice etc you will be called out make sure rifles are ready! Let's pray (I am) that the feds somehow someway secure this video, am I worried? yes and concerned for innocent that the savages will destroy, the store owners who will lose their livelihoods, lets hope they carry weapons to eliminate this scum at the core! Are police helicopters ready? Is it possible that the city request news helicopters to give us information on criminal behavior? (I know silly me they want mayhem to report on and send all over the world). I just cleaned and checked my weapons, installed fresh ammo (Hope never have to use them but will if necessary), are the state police notified? Is the national guard driving up with tanks,attack helicopters,snipers ready for mass arrests? Did the FBI "ramp up?" Not just terrorism now we will have urban terrorism thug style! How could Lisa Madigan deliver here opinion to release this mayhem inducing tape? Insanity Lisa correct?

The black "preachers" are out fanning the flames, steinbergs column in today's paper really incendiary (His opinion comes from a real stand up guy lol we know your history neil!), Protect the "homeland" that is what counts! Rahm you said your having a huge New Years Eve party here, selling out hotels etc but your letting this destruction in, good luck watch "tourists" cancel! SOS rahm call obama now stop this before it goes on! even the family of the kid is asking not to release the video, they are black and know what the black thug movement will do to destroy their neighborhoods what does that tell us??

11/20/2015 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Worked the bulls riots, when we had "general Mauer" in charge, jimmy was a man he said what he means and meant what he said!" We had the gas team going Down 16th street streets cleared quickly damage was minimal, he stood behind us, backed us up, was right in the middle of this not hiding in an office. Jim even wore a gas mask, to show bravery, what he did and what he expected! "

Get off your knees with the mancrush over Mauer, he did his job doesn't get a pat on the back.
I worked the Bulls Riots in 011 but was too busy avoiding getting hit by friendly fire from overzealous idiots.

11/20/2015 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Media won't report the race of countless offenders of day to day crime because that's racist, but the whole world will know instantly that this officer involved is white.

11/20/2015 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will Glenn be back with us by the time this is released? I hope.........

11/20/2015 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coroner's diagram of the wounds, as published in Kass's column, showed several entry wounds to the front of the body. May not be as cut and dried as the MSM wants people to think

11/20/2015 01:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dumb Question: Regarding This Incident. If,In Fact,This Officer Did Not Follow The State Statute, Regarding The Use of Deadly Force,by a Peace Officer, Why Has He or She Not Been Charged, Already ? Why Does The Justice Dept. Have To Investigate It ?

11/20/2015 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous REALITY CHECK said...

SCC:

I believe SCC is being sarcastic. If not, SCC is DELUSIONAL and should seek psychiatric help. The parasitic inmates have taken over the asylum and it's irreversible. FUBAR. Considering longevity tables, I thank my Creator for being born in the 1940's. It's been a great ride.

I am NOT "Debbie Downer". God help us!

11/20/2015 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the goofs who think that Phil Cline does not deserve a salary from the Memorial Foundation. Do you work for free?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's look a other charitable leaders:

commissioner of the Salvation Army $13,000 a year. Sitting on 2 billion in assets.

Commander American Legion. $0.00 a year

Commander of Veterans of Foreign Wars. $0.00 a year

Commander of Disabled American Veterans. 0.00 a year

Commander of Purple Hearts Association. $0.00 a year

Commander Vietnam Veterans Association $0.00 a year


What a guy. These guys can do it why can't he???




11/20/2015 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More contact cards an ANOVS please!!

11/20/2015 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous denizen 2211 said...

Christmas 'shopping' early for those out of Luck re:$5million...'settlement'.

11/20/2015 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey ssc lets not run to conculsions, if he goes to trial, he will be found not guilty, subject had knife high on pcp and refused police commands lets not get on the bandwagon and throw this officer under bus could had been any one of us, lets band together and support one of our own

PS to rahm bo and lorrecta lynch a big f-ckyou

11/20/2015 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you were justified to fire the first shot, then you are justified to fire as many shots as you percieve is necessary to eliminate the threat. That being said, it's hard to explain this to a public who believes that we should be shot or stabbed before we should be allowed to defend ourselve.

If the video is as bad as hinted to and they were considering charging him then they should have done it already. Waiting until the release of the video and charging him after protests, violence to police officers and citizens, and riots is shameful and legitimizes their actions.

11/20/2015 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please don't do anything just get a RD number this PO could end up in jail for What !

11/20/2015 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O & friends are desperate for mayhem, absolutely desperate.

11/20/2015 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No fucks given. Fact remains 5 million dollars was shelled out prematurely and foolishly to silence this . I (taxpaying cop) want my money back .

11/20/2015 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The #BLM bunch will go ballistic when that video goes public. Chicago will burn, just like Detroit did back in the bad ole days.

11/20/2015 02:22:00 AM

You must be new to Chicago this already happened after MLK was assassinated. Take a drive through 10 or 11 and you will see that there isn't much left worth burning down. Here is some proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kyNvEsQxns

11/20/2015 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I''ve already got my eye on that 60 inch UHD television. I figure I can get it cheap.

11/20/2015 08:21:00 AM

I hope its a Samsung they have the best picture quality.

11/20/2015 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any word on day off cancellations or tour extensions for announcement?

11/20/2015 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watching Daniel Herbert Coppers lawyer, Herbert seems nervous,but at least he is trying to get out in front of this politically/media educed mayhem coming soon! Said Prayers for Van Dyke and also for all coppers who will be affected by this,may God bless the CPD and officers everywhere!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-cop-shooting-video-laquan-mcdonald-lawyer-20151120-story.html

The lawyer for the Chicago police officer who fatally shot 17-year-old Laquan McDonald defended his client Friday, saying the officer feared for his life and video of the shooting about to be made public doesn't show how the entire incident unfolded.

Daniel Herbert, who represents Officer Jason Van Dyke, insisted the shooting was justified and that his client's actions fell within police department guidelines even though several other officers at the scene did not open fire.

"I can't speak why the (other) officers didn't shoot," Herbert told reporters from his West Loop office. "But I certainly can speak to why my client shot, and it is he believed in his heart of hearts that he was in fear for his life, that he was concerned about the lives of (other) police officers."

The shooting was captured on a police dashboard cam. The video is said to show the officer firing 16 rounds into McDonald's body, many as he lay prone on the ground.

Herbert's comments came a day after a Cook County judge ordered the video released after finding the city had failed to prove that making it public would jeopardize any investigation.

Within hours, the city did an abrupt about-face, dropping its court fight and saying it would comply with the judge's order by making the potentially inflammatory video public before Thanksgiving.

McDonald, who was later found to have PCP in his system when he died, was acting erratically and refusing police commands to drop his knife, records show.

11/20/2015 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, anyone have thoughts on this?

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/Crime_in_2015.pdf

11/20/2015 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't fool yourself, 8:31, if "Honest Joe Citizen" shot some guy 16 times, including while he was prone and laying on the ground, he's toast just as much as a cop that inappropriately does the same thing.

And Mr. Twillie, think a little more about it, most of the guys on here (1127x, etc.) get it: (potential) out-of-control cop shoots a guy SIXTEEN times while he's laying on the ground. PCP or not. Sure, benefit of the doubt, sure, let a jury decide, but IF THE COP DID WRONG, HE SHOULD PAY THE PRICE. Right? Isn't that right? Why mince words and dither around "brother in blue". "Oh, going to jail...unfortunately". IF HE DID WRONG, HE SHOULD PAY THE PRICE. I understand the brotherhood to a large extent, situations like this it's still a mystery to me. It's not throwing someone under the bus if they crawl under there all by themselves.

Anyway, stay safe. I am with you guys, even though it may not sound like it.

11/20/2015 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Unbelievable act is going cause retaliation to many Officers , God help the innocent Police Officers that didn't even have nothing to do with this.

11/20/2015 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No surprise on channel 7 news now "Alvarez will not block release of the video" madigan Lisa, rahm, now her encourage problems? No one to stand up and stop this? Wow!

11/20/2015 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it's as bad as it sounds, he made his bed now he needs to lay in it. To try and justify to unjustifiable is wrong on so many levels.

11/20/2015 06:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch out Macy and Nordstrom! those nice window better be covered. Rahm loves showcasing down town just think of all nice shot of buffed up officer in turtle Armour.

Also baby in lagoon not solved?

9 year old assassinated not solved?

Homicide clearance rate atrocious! New Detectives not being trained to old to learn...

11/20/2015 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cuthbert J. Twillie said...
Okaaaaay, so we have a guy with a knife acting crazy, who won't obey police commands, cuts the tire of a squad car, and the guy is also hopped up on PCP.

PCP, the drug that's known to give the user the strength of a dozen people and, impervious to gun shot wounds. 'Heck', he's lucky he *was* only shot 16 times!!

But forget all that. The cop is guilty because he's white and the PCP druggie liked kittens, loved basketball, was an 'Honor Student' in the 5th grade, and sang in the church choir.

Well, that is, when he wasn't hopped up on PCP and attacking people with knives.

11/20/2015 09:19:00 AM



It is time to start taking some PCP at the start of our shift and go batshit nuts on them! Leave the gun at home and get all Mel Gibson on the recent graduate: "You think I'm crazy? You call me crazy, you think I'm crazy? You wanna see crazy?"

And let your mother drag out a graduation picture.

11/20/2015 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you all crazy, just wait, give these savages a reason to break, burn or steal something, face it, it certainly looks bad for this copper, I was on the job for almost 40 yrs and never saw a subject shot that many times by the police. rightfully so this video doesn't tell the whole story, they never do, but a few independent witnesses helped with this case, the city came up with a quick 5 million, and they will throw this copper to the wolves, and in a hurry, you can expect something happening next week, I sure hope that this officer and whom ever was on the scene that night have the story together, GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

11/20/2015 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will be a great excuse for a mistrial!

Taint the whole city jury pool via the News-media!

11/20/2015 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another fucked up case already tried and convicted in the leftist media.

11/20/2015 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, coming soon to your nearest police station:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/black-lives-matter-protesters-removed-minneapolis-police-station/

11/20/2015 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All parties involved in the incident do not want the video to be released. The media on the other gandhand do not care about integrity or public safety. One more reason not to subscribe to newspapers, liberal magazines and not visit main stream media websites. Do your job as expected. Take care of each other (blue shirts). Stay safe.

11/20/2015 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Curse of 025 said...

1127X said...
If the video is all it's said to be, it needs to be shown. And the officer identified, fired, and charged.
I don't see how any rational person could see any other perspective.
I don't care about his being a fellow P.O. Fuck That!
I guarantee you that if the scripts were flipped, and this had been some asswipe gunning down a P.O., under these same alleged circumstances, every cop on this blog, and anywhere else, would want the video shown for all to see.
Why should this be any different?
Guys here seem to take great pride and saying "Let This City Burn". Well, then, lets go. Lawsuit be damned.

11/20/2015 07:43:00 AM

This comment is painfully stupid beyond words and the reason why I can't stand some of the morons on this department. If the script was flipped? How so? You mean if a fellow p.o. was off duty, high on drugs, and wandering around with a knife slashing tires in the hood and got shot 16 times by a gangbanger.....

Rational or not, you are coming to the defense of a mutant high on pcp, that probably couldn't get a job squirting cheddar cheese sauce on an Arby's sandwich. Anybody that uses pcp, is not going to be contributing much to society to begin with, so no reason to get worked up over him meeting an early demise that he would have eventually got anyway. Do everyone a favor and wait until you have some time on the job before speaking so self-righteously, or at least wait until your time of the month is over with. I feel sorry for anyone that has to work in 011 with you.

11/20/2015 07:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm rdo 😅

11/20/2015 07:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the video is as bad as I hear. Then the goof cop deserves to get it handed to him.

11/20/2015 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesse Jackson not appealing for restraint thi is going to be an extremely rough time brothers and sisters in Blue:

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/51967474-story

Amazingly no one of any prominence is saying anything to tap down coming mayhem! Last person we have to appeal to is Zachary Fardon the United States attorney here, let's hope he seals the video! America is at a tipping point from terrorism, illegal invaders, now we definitely don't need this! Protect #bluelivesmatter #bluefamiliesmatter perfect hashtags and of course #secondcitycopmatters!

11/20/2015 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today American Science and Surplus of Chicago, sent out an email of new items for sale. One happens to be a "civilian" gas mask. Coincidence?

http://www.sciplus.com/p/new-israeli-gas-mask-with-filter_22395?trk_msg=f08taq2030akt9o2p903u3qjp4&trk_contact=lj92ha7qvsqujpnmp510pac1sg

11/20/2015 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louisiana state police chief: Video of police shooting 6-year-old autistic boy 'the most disturbing thing I've seen'
Guess why the media is not running with this... Easy! Victim is white & police are not.
Media wants a race war! Helter Skelter...

11/20/2015 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1127X said...
If the video is all it's said to be, it needs to be shown. And the officer identified, fired, and charged.
I don't see how any rational person could see any other perspective.
I don't care about his being a fellow P.O. Fuck That!
I guarantee you that if the scripts were flipped, and this had been some asswipe gunning down a P.O., under these same alleged circumstances, every cop on this blog, and anywhere else, would want the video shown for all to see.
Why should this be any different?
Guys here seem to take great pride and saying "Let This City Burn". Well, then, lets go. Lawsuit be damned.

11/20/2015 07:43:00 AM

Nice to know you haven't pre-judged anyone.

11/20/2015 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey , fellow crime fighters it's time to be fetal remember your safety and that of your fellow officers are all that matters , this is what the democrats want so let them have it who gives a fuck if they burn this shithole to the ground as long as no one gets hurt (police )that is ,are we going to see tiny dancer lead the charge to protect HIS City ???? No I bet he will be OUT OF TOWN . Maybe Mac jersey will be out front and center and save the day ( according to the press he was a shinning star that saved us during NATO protests ) so my fetal co-workers stand Down and laugh as the animals that live and drain this city of its appeal burn it down , and remember to keep your phone cameras rolling so that there is REAL FOOTAGE of the mayhem that will ensue and let's post those videos here or on u tube for the world to see because uno the screwed up libtard ,lieing ,under reporting media won't report or show the true stories . Stay safe and fetal . I WILL NOT FIGHT FOR A CITY THAT HAS SOLD OUT ITS POLICE , BUT I WILL LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK TO CASH MY OVERTIME CHECK .

11/20/2015 09:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I believe there will be several planned marches throughout the city once the video is released. Unlike the past situations in other cities, this officer will ultimately be charged and receive prison time unfortunately. The video will definitely speak for itself. Will all would like to come to the defense of our fellow brother in blue, but only he can explain why he fired and struck McDonald 16 times. With 16 hits you know the first round or two must have put him down. To continue firing after the "threat" has been eradicated will be the issue.

My God bless you officer and stay strong during these upcoming trying times.

11/20/2015 04:07:00 AM
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If you are the police, god help us all. "The first round or two must have put him down?" Do you have any idea how ignorant that sounds? Don't comment about things of which you are obviously ignorant and don't Monday morning quarterback an officer when you weren't there and haven't seen the video.

11/20/2015 09:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the asshat labeling himself 1127X...GFY.

that said...you continue shooting till the threat is no more...just ranting about charging him based on the content of a video sounds eerily familiar to Benghazi...

If a man with a knife is hopped up on PCP and impervious to rational thought, with unlimited strength and no fatigue, what would you suggest? allow him to cut you or your partner up? or maybe the neighbors? Oh, Oh, maybe just get the FD to foam him up so he is incapable of moving...

if you don't want to do your job, e.g. take the life of an armed offender that poses a real threat, then please do us all a favor and leave...you subversive, coward.

thank you, have a great day.

11/20/2015 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the end of the day, I am glad I don't Cpd any more.... I got my fed job and booked it back to the burbs, however I do enjoy see this stuff... Cause at the end of the day, it is what it is... I am just loving it I got out of that shithole known as Chicago. By the way, everyone I graduated the academy is bitching and bitching about the job, haven't heard no moaning yet

11/20/2015 09:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 incidents including today and a few days ago where middle eastern people where photographing and videotaping the 017th district. When approached person taking photos sped off. Ran plate , came back to different vehicle. Keep your eyes open...

11/20/2015 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey fop, if part of the case is public, shouldn't ALL be public? Like toxicology and oec transmissions.

11/20/2015 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Media firestorm - check
Ghetto lottery - check
Graduation photo- check
Half truths and innuendos - check
Idiot judge - check
Same opportunists who find this is a great time to loot and riot- check

11/20/2015 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey , fellow crime fighters it's time to be fetal remember your safety and that of your fellow officers are all that matters , this is what the democrats want so let them have it who gives a fuck if they burn this shithole to the ground as long as no one gets hurt (police )that is ,are we going to see tiny dancer lead the charge to protect HIS City ???? No I bet he will be OUT OF TOWN . Maybe Mac jersey will be out front and center and save the day ( according to the press he was a shinning star that saved us during NATO protests ) so my fetal co-workers stand Down and laugh as the animals that live and drain this city of its appeal burn it down , and remember to keep your phone cameras rolling so that there is REAL FOOTAGE of the mayhem that will ensue and let's post those videos here or on u tube for the world to see because uno the screwed up libtard ,lieing ,under reporting media won't report or show the true stories . Stay safe and fetal . I WILL NOT FIGHT FOR A CITY THAT HAS SOLD OUT ITS POLICE , BUT I WILL LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK TO CASH MY OVERTIME CHECK .

11/20/2015 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey alderman Roderick Sawyer, can you please give an interview with wgn without the smoke detectors chirping in the background. Sounded like a stairwell on douglas boulevard, fool!

11/20/2015 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got hit in the face by an asshole with a steel pole. With 5 .38 hollows in him. He charged, I unloaded my secondary in him while he charged at me. All center mass and within 10 feet from me. Just saying.

11/20/2015 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The TV media isn't helping any by pumping up the story.

Thank Chuck Goudie for a long piece on it - without getting the video. Interviewing state's attorney, Anita, to get her to reveal the video.

Good job, Chuck, in stirring the pot.


11/20/2015 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video to be released on monday... have a nice thanksgiving all.. oh wait, if you are rdo and assigned to a team or unit your day off will be canceled tuesday-next monday. gobble gobble. and just for the record, im not laughing at people who are in units or on a team.. im one of them, and yes Im a little pissed about it. my RDOs on friday and saturday after thanksgiving are getting canceled as are everyone elses from units.

11/20/2015 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'd be going for a bench trial if I was the P/O. A jury will nail him to the cross, if for any reason to save their own lives.

11/20/2015 12:57:00 AM

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

too all the idiots talking about this officers trial etc.. he has only been stripped, not indicted. Like many other cases I dont think this officer will get charged because of the shooting. the video jives with the officers story of why he shot. He is stripped for another reason.. yes, its related to something that happened with this shooting but its not specifically for the manner in which he shot the offender. Make sure you guys all know the facts before you have this guy sitting in a courtroom... you people are all starting to sound like the mike brown people or the media.

11/20/2015 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1127x- have you ever dealt with someone on pcp? How about witness a shooting or take a bullet yourself? Clearly it's all no's. Unless it's a kill shot, the adrenaline roars to help you function and fight or flight. Throw pcp in that mix and it's like trying to take down a pissed off bear on crack. Maybe the first two shots did put him down. Maybe they didnt. You weren't there and don't know the circumstances so do everyone a favor and shut your mouth because the opinions you are tossing out there sound like there coming from a mall guard.

11/20/2015 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video shows what happened. It does not tell us what the officer observed, his emotions or perceptions of the incident. It doesn't tell us what the other officers observed or perceived.
As for the shots after the deceased is down try this:
Go to the range, fire at the target as fast as you can, have the range officer turn the target at a random point. How many shots did you fire after the turn? Probably 2-3. Why?
Try it by tapping your finger on something as fast as you can. Have your partner yell stop. How many taps did you do after he yelled stop? Why?

I suggest you watch this for more: https://youtu.be/qwC-RHsC6gw
It's only 18min but if you have ADD start around 11 min mark.

11/21/2015 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Wyatt Earp 2015 said...

The shooting was justified. The only issue remaining is "why did he shoot him so many times?" That point is moot since deadly force WAS authorized in this situation. There is nothing on the use-of-force model that demonstrates how much deadly force is too much. Maybe the officer, in the heat of the moment and having a clearly deranged crazy person lunge at him with a knife, didn't even realize how many times he fired. He was in a life or death situation. No one knows how they would react in that situation until they're in it. Tunnel vision. Stress. It all plays a factor on your mind in a situation like this. The officer, if charged, will absolutely beat the case. There's no doubt about that. I don't believe he will be charged though. How can he be charged with murder when deadly force was authorized? He can't. That's why he hasn't been charged yet. The only thing he will be guilty of is violating some type of CPD general order. Not sure which one but I'm sure the city will find one to stick. But murder? Not a chance.
Let's say this situation played out in the exact same way. The only difference being the police drove away and let the crazy knife guy go about his business. Then crazy knife guy kicks in a door on a house and butchers a mom, dad, and their children. Guess who would be blamed. You guessed it. The police. Action had to be taken. Deadly force was authorized and it was used. End of story.

__________________________________________________________________________________[_____________[_____________


Hey stupid, Shooting WAS justified at first, sorta. Still wondering why the 8 cops who were there before did NOT feel like they had to shoot but hey.....we can call that one cops actions justified. Done.
But.....................

Threat was eliminated and shitbag was on the ground. 30-40 seconds went by and same officer walked up to him and fired 5-6 more and executed him. That is NOT justified. That is just plain STUPID. Plus if an execution WAS "justified" why were the 8 cops on scene yelling at that same officer for his actions??? End of story? Nope.

I just came out of the academy and am sickened by this coppers actions. They put us through some stressful scenarios in training and not one recruit shot and offender who was laying on the ground after being shot with SIMS, then wait 30 seconds, walk up to him and execute him!!! You secure the weapon, and start performing medical aid!

The problem is these officers on the job now were poorly trained. Like the person who wrote the above comment...stupid is is stupid does. They were hired with low standards. I know my generation of copper and the future following are properly trained and like new grass seed will eventually choke out the old, poorly trained officers "weeds" and this city will once again regain Respect.

11/21/2015 02:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw a group of officers once put a set of cuffs on a guy who was hopped up on PCP (R Kelly concert, UIC). It took a while. Guy broke the cuffs.
Enter 10 more officers, 10 more minutes, and dude was placed in 2 sets of cuffs.
Dude got out of the cuffs again. Found out a week later that dude broke the bones in his hand to get the cuffs off.

During my first year, I transported a guy on PCP to Cook Co Hospital. It was one of the old, single compartment wagons. Upon arrival, discovered the guy had kicked the lower half of the door about 5 inches away from the box, broke apart the lower hinge, too.

Fast forward 5 years, get called to a domestic, 16 year old acting up. Dude was all of 155 pounds. Was under the influence of PCP. I'm 6'4, over 300 pounds in uniform. Little bastard Ragdolled my ass something silly. Fortunately, it was in Division, and 015 was still on the north end of the district. Took a platoon to get control of this kid.

Now, I'm obviously not trying to brag, and I apologize for the rant, but I do have a point to be made...

If you have never had to get hands-on with a person on PCP acting out violently... Shut The Fuck Up!
You do not possess the necessary information to make an informed decision as to officer Van Dyke's actions.

11/21/2015 02:45:00 AM  
Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...

As a result of this incident, there will be a new use of force order drafted, which will indicate the proper amount of deadly force to be used in a given leathal force authorized situation.
It will break down leathal force into 3 categories; light leathal force, average leathal force, and heavy leathal force, with an anticipated result of the offender being mildly dead, generally dead, or absolutely dead, respectively.

This action by the department will help ensure that an offender who, due to his actions, is not rendered absolutely dead, when guidelines dictate s/he should be generally dead.

11/21/2015 03:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some elements around here are just looking for an "excuse" to riot and cause mayhem.
This boneheaded judge just handed it to them on a silver platter.

11/21/2015 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...

Problem with last post..a subject who fails to respond to verbal commands, is on the public way, has caused damage to property, has caused damage to city property, is armed with a knife, has threatened to cause great bodily harm or death, has attempted to cause great bodily harm or death, and is on PCP...is probably a situation in which absolutely dead is the desired result.

11/21/2015 03:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There has been plenty of times that gangster on the streets have been shot 10, 15, hell 20 times and are walking and talking as if they just been grazed, i can name 1or 2 of the back....this officer did what he had to do to eliminate the theeat it wasnt pretty, no kill is pretty think about it, but he had had to do it... God be with him...high on pcp lets ask Mr. Offender next time, time out are u down yet cause I can't tell il give u a chance to attack me or others so we can tell...hmmm makes perfect sense to some dum#$&&!!!

11/21/2015 05:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Media is really hyping this up I hope communities wake up and see how much negative attention this is getting here in Chiraq, oh yeah and by the way perfect timing since chiraq will debute around the corner!!! Nice job media sharks...

11/21/2015 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This officer shoyld have approached offender with the 8 step question, sir my name is officer friendly and is there any apparent reason why u have a knife and are hallucinating, il give u a minute to think about and then we sit and talk, thug response slash, slash, chop chop yo dead motafer!!! This is the way media wants tgis handled!!!

11/21/2015 05:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OCD offucers be ready get your pen and cards ready plenty of contact cards available for your activity, now go write them boys...

11/21/2015 05:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
At the end of the day, I am glad I don't Cpd any more.... I got my fed job and booked it back to the burbs, however I do enjoy see this stuff... Cause at the end of the day, it is what it is... I am just loving it I got out of that shithole known as Chicago. By the way, everyone I graduated the academy is bitching and bitching about the job, haven't heard no moaning yet

11/20/2015 09:26:00 PM

Instead of giving CPD Officers' some moral support, you came here on the blog to brag about how dumb and coward you are. And by the way, I'm happy "you don't Cpd any more". Check your grammar, you ignorant fuck! Who do you think you're fooling here!?

11/21/2015 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

________________________________________
No, but he shouldn't be getting richer from it either. This is a NON FOR PROFIT organization. $115,000 plus expenses ,car etc is excessive.

11/20/2015 10:21:00 AM
Yes, maybe so. But, this is a not for profit corporation under state law which means it has a board of directors. The board determines who get the job of director, salary and benefits. Learn who is on the board and when the board meetings are held. . By law, they must be public meetings.

11/21/2015 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the end of the day, I am glad I don't Cpd any more.... I got my fed job and booked it back to the burbs, however I do enjoy see this stuff... Cause at the end of the day, it is what it is... I am just loving it I got out of that shithole known as Chicago. By the way, everyone I graduated the academy is bitching and bitching about the job, haven't heard no moaning yet
11/20/2015 09:26:00 PM

Just shutup. I am so sick of hearing gloating, self-serving comments like these. You must miss the drama or you wouldn't be on the blog. Moron.

11/21/2015 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you were justified to fire the first shot, then you are justified to fire as many shots as you percieve is necessary to eliminate the threat.

You're right. However, once he falls to the ground and drops the knife, putting 5-6 more shots into him may not be too smart.

11/21/2015 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I lost all respect for John Kass when he did a series of columns about the fatal crash between an off duty policeman and a civilian. Kass had a meeting over lunch with the civilian's sister who wanted justice for her brother. He went on about fighting the blue code of silence etc...
After all the one sided stories were done, a independent expert study of the crash showed that the civilian driver, who was also intoxicated, actually caused the fatal crash. There were no follow up columns or a statement of retraction from the paper that I am aware of.
He sure is a sorry excuse as a replacement for Mike Royko!
Kass is now just an employee of the tribune empire. He lost his radio show and I believe that he doesn't even own the articles he writes.
Just sold his sole to the empire!

11/21/2015 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the video is all it's said to be, it needs to be shown. And the officer identified, fired, and charged.
I don't see how any rational person could see any other perspective.
I don't care about his being a fellow P.O. Fuck That!
==========================================================

The officer can be charged without showing the trial evidence to the public. Also, his family has said they don't want the video being released. Think about that - bad kid or no, if I were his father I wouldn't want the whole world to watch him die. I wouldn't want to be forced to see that video over and over.

I just don't think we the public have that right, FOIA or no. But hey, let's not let basic morality and decency get in the way of marxist race-baiting. There's a leftist agenda to be pushed here!

11/21/2015 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11/20/2015 11:41:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
But forget all that. The cop is guilty because he's white and the PCP druggie liked kittens, loved basketball, was an 'Honor Student' in the 5th grade, and sang in the church choir.

Well, that is, when he wasn't hopped up on PCP and attacking people with knives

at what point in time did this officer know that this guy was hopped up on PCP...after the autopsy was in?????
11/20/2015 11:50:00 AM

Gee, maybe the cop that shot him might have had an inkling that this guy was either mental or on drugs WHEN HE BEGAN STABBING THE TIRES OF SQUAD CARS. Idiot second guessers abound here, don't they?
I hope you're not a cop because you are an IDIOT.....

11/21/2015 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous 1127X said...

Anonymous said...

to the asshat labeling himself 1127X...GFY.

that said...you continue shooting till the threat is no more...just ranting about charging him based on the content of a video sounds eerily familiar to Benghazi...

If a man with a knife is hopped up on PCP and impervious to rational thought, with unlimited strength and no fatigue, what would you suggest? allow him to cut you or your partner up? or maybe the neighbors? Oh, Oh, maybe just get the FD to foam him up so he is incapable of moving...

if you don't want to do your job, e.g. take the life of an armed offender that poses a real threat, then please do us all a favor and leave...you subversive, coward.

thank you, have a great day


Eat shit & die. Really? You found a way insert Behnghazi into this shit. Turn off the right wing radio, and try to form a cogent thought of your own.
Gee! You sound like you were right there, on the scene, as shit went down. Were you?
If not, how the fuck can you possibly know what happened? You can't! So, you're just gonna take the P.O.'s word for it? OK, got it.
I prefaced my post with "If the video is all it's said to be". But you somehow missed that. Reading is a skill.
Like it or not, the video aint gonna lie.
I've never been, nor will I ever be, one of those coppers who always takes the police's side, no matter what. I've been around long enough to have seen too many fucked up PO's, for me to hold such a daft mindset.
As for me not wanting my job and blah, blah, blah:
I've got over 2 decades OT-fuckin-J. Never worked any candy ass districts or units.
I do want the job...at least for 2 more years. Then, I'm off the sunny Arizona.

You're welcome, and likewise, have a great day.

11/21/2015 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Retired Indiana Cop said...

As a retired officer from the 70's we had our share of PCPers. I had four battles with them. Only overwhelming force can stop them. They do not feel any pain. When you are fighting them often as a "99", knowing that lethal force will not stop the battle until they bleed out, there are not a lot of alternate "politically correct" actions an officer can take. One of our officers shot one nine times with a 9mm which did not stop the perp and ended up getting stabbed before enough units arrived to subdue.

Stay Safe as this circus unfolds!

11/21/2015 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all pdays and bf days cancelled starting the 25th. brass is calling this Ferguson part 2. get ready for the ot.

11/21/2015 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way, everyone I graduated the academy is bitching and bitching about the job, haven't heard no moaning yet

11/20/2015 09:26:00 PM


.....and being the loser you are you troll this blog every day and jump in and tell us how good you have it.

You left, stay gone.

11/21/2015 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dry run for the main event on New Year's Eve...Chiraq Rising!!!

11/21/2015 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he was a Ward of the State at the time of the shooting - why did the "family" get any money? The State of Illinois was his legal guardian and we the taxpayers were paying for him to live day to day. Shouldn't the $5 million dollars go back to the taxpayers - not a family that disowned him ?

11/21/2015 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"2 incidents including today and a few days ago where middle eastern people where photographing and videotaping the 017th district. When approached person taking photos sped off. Ran plate , came back to different vehicle. Keep your eyes open...

11/20/2015 09:37:00 PM"


They did the same thing 2 weeks ago and nobody said shit, stop with the hysteria Chicken Little makes you look pussified.

11/21/2015 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the city came up with a quick 5 million, and they will throw this copper to the wolves, and in a hurry, "

The cooper threw himself to the Wolves Grandpa Bagman.

11/21/2015 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the end of the day, I am glad I don't Cpd any more.... I got my fed job and booked it back to the burbs, however I do enjoy see this stuff... Cause at the end of the day, it is what it is... I am just loving it I got out of that shithole known as Chicago. By the way, everyone I graduated the academy is bitching and bitching about the job, haven't heard no moaning yet

11/20/2015 09:26:00 PM

Judging by your communications skills I'm guessing your Fed job is postal worker or TSA agent. Congrats

11/21/2015 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video to be released on monday... have a nice thanksgiving all.. oh wait, if you are rdo and assigned to a team or unit your day off will be canceled tuesday-next monday. gobble gobble. and just for the record, im not laughing at people who are in units or on a team.. im one of them, and yes Im a little pissed about it. my RDOs on friday and saturday after thanksgiving are getting canceled as are everyone elses from units.



I'm not ripping on you or giving you the "should've stayed on the watch" attitude. I'm not in a unit, or on a team, and this is exactly why. Your spot may have perks, but this is the other side of the coin, and it sucks. We all missed the holidays and birthdays/parties, etc...when we had no time on the job. So now, when you can get the day off because you have the time, and then have your plans screwed up at the last minute, it blows. Good luck.

11/21/2015 03:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:17am.....ok genius 18 month wonder, please show other officers like myself that have more years of EXPERIENCE on the street actually dealing with this shit than you've been out of your mother's house how to handle high stress situations. Go back to your impact zone junior.

11/21/2015 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little off topic. About the photo; If the kid never graduated HS and was attending an alternative school as reported. Then the ONLY photo that is shown is an 8th grade graduation photo. Sorry, but the cap and gown for graduating from a CPS school would not really reflect his more current mug shots. Why is there not a FOI request for a better picture of him asking for his mug shots, Its amazing how three or four years of physical maturity when looking through arrestee's mug shot history shows the road a criminal or drug addict is traveling. Im also guessing they aren't very happy smiles showing in them. FOP, put the photos on your site and let them be copied and pasted all over the internet. The Juvenile angle is over since he is dead, his records should also be released just as much as the police officers if we are going to show a complete picture for the public. Seems the only oerson to be judged is the police.

11/21/2015 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger Sir Donkey, esq said...
As a result of this incident, there will be a new use of force order drafted, which will indicate the proper amount of deadly force to be used in a given leathal force authorized situation.
It will break down leathal force into 3 categories; light leathal force, average leathal force, and heavy leathal force, with an anticipated result of the offender being mildly dead, generally dead, or absolutely dead, respectively.

This action by the department will help ensure that an offender who, due to his actions, is not rendered absolutely dead, when guidelines dictate s/he should be generally dead.

11/21/2015 03:00:00 AM

I hereby acknowledge the above comment as the best comment on this thread. I laughed so hard, it's not even funny. So much talent.....

11/22/2015 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two things are going to happen when they release the video. It will show what a hard job Police Officers have or it will show a Police Officer who deserves to be in jail. I hope it will show what a hard job we have and all can see a criminal who was justified being shot and killed.

11/22/2015 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone remember the old photo in the range of the violent offender's dead body, shot 22 times by police due to pcp?

11/22/2015 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rehire every city employee on Thanksgiving and pay them Holiday/OT pay.

11/22/2015 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There should be calm because the women folk are withholding sex if their men loot & riot.

11/22/2015 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@2:17 @3:47 I actually agree with both comments... I also don't have much experience on the streets and don't know what I would have done. There is a difference between a controlled environment and real life. We also cannot deny, however, the fact that a lot of the more experience coppers have poor training as well. I just hope this doesn't blow up..."go back to your impact zone" we are the most vulnerable, especially those of us who are still walking being open targets..

11/22/2015 11:17:00 AM  

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