IPRA Stalking Horse
So what's the story behind this one?
- Couple of cops get called down to IPRA. Luckily, they told FOP and had a lawyer accompany them down there. They arrive and IPRA says "We don't have any questions for you, but these gentlemen do." The gentlemen turn out to be FBI agents. The FOP lawyer refused to let the officers speak and everyone left. So now IPRA is fronting for FBI interrogations, probably hoping to sit in on the questioning so they can Rule 14 everyone?
We'll take this as proof positive of at last one on-going federal investigation, but be aware that if you get called to IPRA, it might not be IPRA doing the questioning.
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posted by SCC at 1:01 AM
79 Comments:
I have no recollection senator.
Sorry I mean R/O has no knowledge.
one more fetality
Probably wanted to question the "old timers" and ask them why they voted for the new pathetic contract. FBI probably can't believe how stupid and selfish they are.
Repeat after me. Fed's are not your friends. Don't talk to them! They are members of an opposing team.
The bottom line is NEVER go without representation. That means bring a freaken lawyer with you.
Just wait until officers start getting law suits from "bad " ISR's...... then the fun truly begins .
Cute.
Reeeal Cute...
Did the feebs jump from behind the office door?
"BOO!"
>Plant. Pivot. Weight Transfer. Drop step a dominant
hand Cross through funny-man's front teeth. Carry
the punch THROUGH your target. It's a good one
when you feel that tingle down to your elbow<
(-No eye-slap this time- ;^)
"Whoops! Sorry about that.
You know we Coppers are kinda twitchy
about shit as of late. Here... Let us get you a coffee
cup to catch your teeth in since they're running
around on the floor laughing at you."
Feds running a false-flag operation
by hiding behind IPRA?
Hmmmm...
Do tell!
Which supervisor(s) at IPRA
nodded in agreement to this?
Can the IPRA investigators and their supervisors
be put in the disciplinary jack-pot?
Did the Officers notification state that
it was FBI agents who wanted to "interview"
them instead of IPRA investigators?
Wouldn't a "command appearance" before federal agents
come via other Departmental channels?
Office of the Superintendent? --> Office of the General Counsel?
--> Legal Affairs Section?
Just Sayin'...
And before you flamers flame,
we reserve the right to be wrong.
Or is this a fishing expedition to test an end-around
of contractual protections/due process/Police Officers rights, etc?
Or did some exempt put this forward as a good idea?
Just like they thought the hurriedly designed and implemented
but altogether loathed ISR was going to be the "management tool
par excellence" to rein in those rebellious Blue-Shirted churls?
Heh!
Gran'daddy used to say:
"There go that BULLSHIT I was tellin' you kids about..."
Hopefully, somebody(s) at IPRA are going to be looking at taking it
hard in mud vein if they deliberately misled those Officers.
Hopefully they made copies of their notifications to appear.
A head full of every-damned-thing else and you also have to be
majorly concerned about protecting yourself from the apparatus
that employs you.
Police like you have no friends...
If you know or suspect anything about crazed muslims going around doing random stabbings or planning on doing such, tell the FBI what you know or suspect.
If you ain't smart enough to know to keep your nose clean now, then you got no business being the police. The writing is on the wall. This Fed thing is not a district investigation, it is not a bad cop dealing dope investigation, it is not an investigation of bosses downtown getting kickbacks. This is a city wide investigation for violation of civil rights, a Federal crime, that can go on for years. Get wise.
Do what you got to do in order to keep the job and not blow the pension or what's left of the pension. If you can apply elsewhere do it. You want to survive? Get smart.
The feds couldn't find shit in an outhouse...lol
Incredible
But the department has repeatedly said the DOJ investigation isn't targeting individual officers but general "patterns and practices".
They wouldn't lie to us would they??
Rahm's never been known to use scapegoats and throw people under the bus...right??
Just keep running and gunning you pro active police and you too can receive a invitation from the Feds. When the jail cell slams shut you will than realize you should have remained FETAL and I will not give a dime for a benefit to help pay for your legal expenses or lost wages for your stupidity
Lawyer up, don't trust no one, your lawyer included?
Ok FOP,
What do we do when we are called down to IPRA or IAD and they have a supervisor
give us a direct order to answer questions?
Even better what if this happens and they do not identify the FBI agent sitting with the Department supervisor? Or if they do identify the FBI in room?
And do not tell me about my lawyer crap, they can only give recommendation
and are not the ones being stripped and sent to call back for three years pending
the bullshit investigation.
Just look at the Van Dyke crap the city pulled with the IG doing another investigation. Herbert is making money, the city has a copper under a bus,
and no one from FOP returns calls.
The contract is now being fought in court, and the officer sits and waits.
great system here.
Never trust a Fed.
Never give one a Kees!
From one who knows.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
WTH?
And make sure FOP send you a seasoned attorney. Two female coppers I work with got called to IPRA after a weapons discharge (offender did not get hit) and FOP sent a girl with a new law degree. A week later both officers end up in call back. The detective reports contradict the video but the detective Is not being called down to answer up. I hear the detective is one of DW guys.
How many ISR'S did these cops do for the good of Escalante?
Holy crap. This is insane.
Dear SCC, something I wonder. I'm not a police officer, so bear with me. With all this attention from the federal probe, ride alongs, watching over the shoulders of POs, and the general "in your shit" position the federal gov't has right now in Chicago, why is crime going up? Wouldn't the mere presence of the feds be an opportunity for them to give advice on how to run the city better? I get the feeling they are only here for purely political reasons, not at all to make things better.
You better take the fifth don't talk to anyone without a lawyer .
If this IPRA story is accurate consider this one single fact: LYING TO A FEDERAL AGENT, IS AN OFFENSE FOR WHICH YOU CAN BE SENT TO PRISON. You can lie to your wife, your parents, your Sergeant or Commander; BUT IF YOU LIE TO THE FBI, YOU CAN GO TO PRISON. Famous people have dodged the original point of federal investigations, but they still went to prison because they lied to federal agents. Forget the Rule Violations which might cost you your job; here we are talking PRISON! Martha Stewart went to prison for lying to agents of the Security and Exchange Commission, they were not even the FBI. NEVER GO TO IPRA OR IAD WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY, THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, nor at this point is the Mayor or his Administration. Baby"G"
Never talk to the feds....EVER without an attorney!
Wise words to live by in times like these.
If I pumping the brakes anymore, I'll never leave the lot.
Partially true. It was an Evidence Technician who was involved in collecting evidence on a police shooting. FBI wanted to talk to the evidence technician in a case where a handgun wasn't recovered in the police involved shooting.
Crazy!??? I would love to here more on this one......
Yet these coppers can't give others the heads up.(yeah guys I'M guessing your hairgels)
FOP wanna send a text or a fricking email blast to EVERYONE!(they did use the lawyer)
I got all sorts of notices about tattoos reimbursements how much can that come out too???
Keep your eyes on the ball DEAN i know you have never made this kinda of money in your life but FOCUS.
FOP needs to start using those useful field reps that love stipend checks and eating on the memberships dues.
I read somewhere that during the DOJ ridealongs/investigation/fact-finding an officer is interviewed by two DOJ people. My question is if this in fact true and the DOJ people feel that the officer is not being factual could the officer be charged for lying to a federal agent. Just be very careful officers none of these feds are here to help you.
Wow! That is crazy. Anytime this dept wants me to go down to IPRA I'm calling the FOP. Always save then sorry
I thought DeEscalante has our back and not to worry? Talking to FBI agents is a serious issue. Absolutely call FOP.The department is now showing the true colors of the command staff. Another reason to stay fetal my friends.
Despite all of these signs, you still have officers being aggressive and pro-active. Some of these fools tell me that "if I see a thug then I have to stop him, I just can't let that happen". A guy in my unit was in call back and sued and he had to pay some punitive damages out of his pocket and Gary McCarthy wanted to fire him. But the board disagreed. So despite all of that, when he was reinstated he was still out there stopping people and being aggressive. Now he is on the tact team. I paid $50 for his first benefit. For his second benefit I will pay $0.00.
Wtf?
Remember, if you don't do anything- you can't be accused of anything. Fetal forever.
I think most of you know this, but many do not: ..... Don't ever 'talk' to FBI agents (plural) without your lawyer there. Bad things are guaranteed to happen to you if you do so.
They'll get you for 'lying' -- it's how they get almost everybody, it's how they got Martha Stewart. There's YouTube Videos of what the FBI tried to do to some folks.
(you're NOT allowed to record your 'interview'. It's your word against theirs, and their written notes)
Forever fetal my friends. 670+ people shot this year is not bad, the police are. I'm more than happy to forfeit being an aggressive PO for my job and freedom. Call the Feds and ACLU to deal with criminals.
Didn't the wild-eyed Chihuahua say the G was only investigating practices and policies and not individuals ?
Is not the FBI our friend, who we can trust?
usually the G shoes up unannounced at your house, this is a new tactic--the lawyers are correct, don't talk to them without one by your side.
Stop with all the fear mongering. If you are misrepresenting the truth, then you should be rightfully worried and deserved to be locked up. The bad apples on this department makes everyone's job extremely difficult and only brings about more unjust scrutiny for us......
Totally offensive.
Great I hope they call down & question all those cheating sergeants from HQ & Noble that cheated on the last LT's exam!!!!
You do not even say that. Speak to my attorney is the only thing you say.
Remember that Martha Stewart aNd Scooter Libby were not convicted of any crimes. They were convicted of lying to the Feds. Because the Feds said they lied. You have the right to counsel. Use it!
Oh my goodness fellas, I'm SO glad you are here. I've been trying to find some FBI folks to investigate how the former mayor had so much city and pension money go into the hands of family and friends. Where yas been?
A lawyer friend of mine told me that if I am ever approached by the Feds, to ask them for their card and that you will have your lawyer contact them to set up a meeting in his office where the meeting WILL BE TAPE RECORDED.
Say no more, say no more, eh, eh.
I decline to answer any questions until I can consult with counsel.
Remember Martha Stewart.
Remember Scooter Libby.
They made the mistake of remembering things differently than the FBI agent remembered them. They went to jail.
So will YOU.
Better Call Saul!
Surprised no one used this...
Wouldn't the mere presence of the feds be an opportunity for them to give advice on how to run the city better? I get the feeling they are only here for purely political reasons, not at all to make things better.
3/19/2016 07:47:00 AM
In your mind, do you see 'federal agents' with halo's and fluffy angel wings?
Just wondering.
Anonymous said...
And make sure FOP send you a seasoned attorney. Two female coppers I work with got called to IPRA after a weapons discharge (offender did not get hit) and FOP sent a girl with a new law degree. A week later both officers end up in call back. The detective reports contradict the video but the detective Is not being called down to answer up. I hear the detective is one of DW guys.
3/19/2016 07:26:00 AM
I had the same girl, she has no clue about police procedures, and never talk to a fed to easy to jam yourself up, they come off as "we are your friend" then wam the hammer hits and looking at federal time! If you just do the job, by the rules nothing proactive, take your time getting to jobs safely, signed complaints only, make sure car is fueled,maintained,washed, (Call R-Man want vehicle 100% for safeties sake), take your personals, lunch out of roll call complete inspection of vehicle all lights,wipers,washer fluid,fuel,damage,tires etc.. should take 1/2 hour play by their rules, back each other up, no rushing job to job unless police or police family because #bluelivesmatter #blackliesnevermattered
Don't ever 'talk' to FBI agents (plural) without your lawyer there.
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Don't talk to anyone in law enforcement without your lawyer there.
But the department has repeatedly said the DOJ investigation isn't targeting individual officers but general "patterns and practices".
They wouldn't lie to us would they??
Rahm's never been known to use scapegoats and throw people under the bus...right??
Rumors abound that someone who can verify that Rahm saw the video before the election is doing just that!!! It's gonna get ugly
You can order me all you like. I really don't care. And I still won't talk with out an attorney present.
Hunting season is wide open to place the federal net and scoop up coppers, why is this being put upon so many once hard working coppers? Did the elected make right wrong and turn wrong right? The media loves this sensationalized anything coppers may do!
Now Retired...
Question: If there is to be a DOJ Ride-along on a District Patrol car, shouldn't that be done by volunteers. In there are no volunteers, by reverse seniority of both officers?
Since the officers are obliged by their employment to carry this potential time bomb wouldn't a supervisor, or the DOJ person himself have to read the officers their Miranda or Administrative Rights?
I'd be driving in circles and receipting my rosary out loud.
Could be a long night between messenger runs.
"Yet these coppers can't give others the heads up.(yeah guys I'M guessing your hairgels)
FOP wanna send a text or a fricking email blast to EVERYONE!(they did use the lawyer)
I got all sorts of notices about tattoos reimbursements how much can that come out too???
Keep your eyes on the ball DEAN i know you have never made this kinda of money in your life but FOCUS."
Uh, it was mentioned at Tuesday's meeting and I paraphrased it on the notes I post every month from meeting.... So let's not throw stones unduly.
5 WORDS. I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. LYING TO A Federali is a Federal offense. Lets practice, "I have nothing to say."
Cannot be charged with "Staying Fetal."
Anonymous said...
Dear SCC, something I wonder. I'm not a police officer, so bear with me. With all this attention from the federal probe, ride alongs, watching over the shoulders of POs, and the general "in your shit" position the federal gov't has right now in Chicago, why is crime going up? Wouldn't the mere presence of the feds be an opportunity for them to give advice on how to run the city better? I get the feeling they are only here for purely political reasons, not at all to make things better.
3/19/2016 07:47:00 AM
The feds have no clue on how to be the Police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Didn't the wild-eyed Chihuahua say the G was only investigating practices and policies and not individuals ?
3/19/2016 11:19:00 AM
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Sorry, but I can't see your post. My eyes keep tearing up and I keep laughing uncontrollably at the 'wild-eyed chihuahua' part.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If this IPRA story is accurate consider this one single fact: LYING TO A FEDERAL AGENT, IS AN OFFENSE FOR WHICH YOU CAN BE SENT TO PRISON. You can lie to your wife, your parents, your Sergeant or Commander; BUT IF YOU LIE TO THE FBI, YOU CAN GO TO PRISON. Famous people have dodged the original point of federal investigations, but they still went to prison because they lied to federal agents. Forget the Rule Violations which might cost you your job; here we are talking PRISON! Martha Stewart went to prison for lying to agents of the Security and Exchange Commission, they were not even the FBI. NEVER GO TO IPRA OR IAD WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY, THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, nor at this point is the Mayor or his Administration. Baby"G"
Just to add to your statement. If you lie to (2) feds dea fbi etc its is considered like lying under oath. Again request council.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Despite all of these signs, you still have officers being aggressive and pro-active. Some of these fools tell me that "if I see a thug then I have to stop him, I just can't let that happen". A guy in my unit was in call back and sued and he had to pay some punitive damages out of his pocket and Gary McCarthy wanted to fire him. But the board disagreed. So despite all of that, when he was reinstated he was still out there stopping people and being aggressive. Now he is on the tact team. I paid $50 for his first benefit. For his second benefit I will pay $0.00.
3/19/2016 10:00:00 AM
Probably a high functioning
ADHD type of person.
Can't hold still...
Ants in the pants -
"I'm bored/Gotta make something happen."
Give these guys room and don't let them
suck you into their nonsense.
There's "doing your job" and there's
hard head refusal to adapt to conditions.
I have a migraine headache I can't recall oh I'm having chest pains need medical attention. Those are a few selected answers to IPRA if they bring a supervisor
Yet these coppers can't give others the heads up.(yeah guys I'M guessing your hairgels)
FOP wanna send a text or a fricking email blast to EVERYONE!(they did use the lawyer)
I got all sorts of notices about tattoos reimbursements how much can that come out too???
Keep your eyes on the ball DEAN i know you have never made this kinda of money in your life but FOCUS.
FOP needs to start using those useful field reps that love stipend checks and eating on the memberships dues.
Hey stupid just call FOP for a lawyer if you have to go to IPRA or IAD. Kind of simple fuck tard.
This is very simple. The attorney needs to draft a letter of complaint regarding this conduct to the Office of professional Management in Washington DC. When these feds gets a complaint it does not go away. This policy will change immediately.
3/19 @ 12:11 - i hope that was dry humor because you have no guarantee that the FBI will correctly note your truthful statement. Bringing an attorney will at least give you a witness. Bringing a tape recorder will at least force the J. Edgar wannabes to note your replies truthfully. If you don't believe me you probably believe that J. Edgar was not Clyde Tolson's (#2 man in fbi) bitch.
One way to get to a fbi boy is to ask why their hero was a closeted fairy. Only do that at social situations - not when they visit you at 4:30AM.
FAMOUS BUT ICOMPETENT (and lying weasels)
Inspector Louis Erskine
. . . Keep your eyes on the ball DEAN i know you have never made this kinda of money in your life but FOCUS. . .
3/20/2016 05:15:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Ha Ha Ha
Here's the head of the FOP Lodge 7 and he had a GOFUNDME to pay for his dogs surgery!
What a freakin joke this guys turned into.
The super rights of the protected political class will be preserved. After all, they are the engine that keeps the elite in power.
All of you pro active go getters better wake up including the new people on the job. Times have changed and you are now the enemy. Many different government agencies which include employees with a political agenda are out to get you no matter what. Stay fetal to protect yourself,your family, your finances. Always request an attorney or bring one to any IPRA or fed interview . They like to twist the truth to fit their narrative now. Don't do anything and Don't trust anyone. Protect yourself. Don't fall for any line of bullshit these bosses want to feed you too so they can keep "their spot". They will forget about you when they move on and your stuck on the tracks with a train headed your way.
After 30 years "I've been there,seen that,done that." Stay safe,be smart and be careful.
OT - sort of
Went to the ISR training the other day. Asked one of the instructors if ALL of the revisions you make to an ISR when your sergeant kicks it back are saved and visible. Answer was YES.
He tried to make the glass appear half full by stating: "It's a good thing, they can see that supervisors are trying to have you do the right thing, by seeing how you have more RAS after the revision; they are not going after individual officers, they want to go after the City who has deep pockets" I said, "Unless you are the guy they are trying to make an example of." He said, "Yeah, they could do that...."
Be warned.
Now Retired...
Isn't it a fact that now all CPD interviews/interrogations of suspects in Class X cases MUST BE VIDEO TAPED.
So why doesn't Deano, Escalnte, the National Lodge of the FOP DEMAND that the policy of interviews/interrogations of police officers BY ANYONE must be video taped and those tapes be made available to the defense. If need be go to court and get an order for the Fed to make that change.
Or is Deano too busy keeping quiet.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
5 WORDS. I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. LYING TO A Federali is a Federal offense. Lets practice, "I have nothing to say."
3/19/2016 10:27:00 PM
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Then they will write in their 302 report that since you said "I have nothing to say", they will charge you with lying to them by having uttered the words"Ihave nothing to say", which in fact, was saying something. Sly devils, they are.
Why are some of you so upset the Feds are in?
They don't have the cooties!
They are here to help and clean house.There is enough city casualties and the CPD,States attorneys office and the Mayor have watch all this go on and refused to fix it now F.B.I.is here.
Why are some people outraged at this the Feds put pressure on corruption.
Lets help them help us.
"Luckily, they told FOP and had a lawyer accompany them down there. "
Thought that was an automatic? Well at least it used to be. But these college educated Perry Masons thought they didn't need Legal representation, and would go down there and put themselves in the trickbag . Glad to see they started to wise up, finally.
"And make sure FOP send you a seasoned attorney. Two female coppers I work with got called to IPRA after a weapons discharge (offender did not get hit) and FOP sent a girl with a new law degree. A week later both officers end up in call back. The detective reports contradict the video but the detective Is not being called down to answer up"
I'd like to see their statements to see if they contradict each other. The lawyers are there to guide you, not hold your fricking hand.Easy to blame the attorney and the Detective, I'm not the attorneys husband, daddy or jocker,so save it. Get your shit straight before hand or wind up at call back.
Obaa's plan is to get White cops indicted for Cvil Rights violations.
Question: If there is to be a DOJ Ride-along on a District Patrol car, shouldn't that be done by volunteers. In there are no volunteers, by reverse seniority of both officers?
No they can't assign you a ride along. If they ask you just say no. They can't make you.
Now Retired...again
P.S. To what I wrote before...
If Deano is not afraid of being investigated of Labor Racketeering why isn't he going to the National Lodge and demanding that any and all interviews/interrogations of police officers be videotaped. Undercover stings by the FBI are videotaped. CPD and other law enforcement agencies everywhere in this country videotape interviews/interrogations. Why should the FBI be allowed to have the magic of being able to say, “You are a liar. We are the FBI and you lied so that is that!"
Why isn't Deano doing that?
For he same reason he never mounted an ALL COPS WILL VOTE CAMPAIGN.
The fact that FBI does NOT record their interviews and interrogations has more than one purpose.
It gives the agents an enormous amount of power over the subjects. If they can't nail them for the crime they were hoping for they can always say they were lying. Prove otherwise, even if it was a lie by omission.
The other ploy is that they will try to make the subjects INFORMANTS.
The FBI just became the biggest enforcers of the
CODE OF SILENCE ever.
Unless FOP goes and gets that court order demanding that the interviews be video-recorded.
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