Different Discipline
Can anyone explain?
- Can someone please explain why the department can't go after Evans for a previous misconduct allegation because the five year statue ended but they can fire the officer that was in a photo with Finnegan and an offender who was wearing antlers that was taken fifteen years ago.
We'd say the double-standard is on full display here, but maybe there's another explanation?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
39 Comments:
Because the picture wasn't found until about 2009 and that's when the investigation began. The Feds found the picture when they raided the Sos file cabinets. The clock starts when the offense is discovered which was around 2008. Normally a citizen has one year to make a complain, in some situations it's 2 years but this was found and it wasn't a citizen beef so that doesn't count. It's an internal investigation about bring discredit to the department. He was a great great dude but that's why.
It may be a mystery that is never solved.
When I asked this same question back in 2010, I was named the accused in a false allegation.
Yes the department does file false allegation just to play out the game.
There are two standards in this Department. And if you have to ask your not on the right side of
the tracks. Therfore you are the one who is punished.
By the way the allegation was sustained for termination. But the police board saw no evidence of the allegation.
and returned me to duty.
what a screwed up way to investigate allegations.
There can only be a independent fair and impartial investigation.
not a department run witch hunt.
There is a state law that you cannot go after a copper on an allegation of police brutality after six years. However, you can for other allegations. For all other allegation there is not statute of limitations. Sadly, we have contacts that do limit how long they can go after a copper and the unions brag that they got this passed but it means nothing. I talked to a former president of the union, he bragged hot they got it passed where you could not be investigated after a certain time period. However, at the end of this section of the contract it says " Unless the Supt. of Police signs off on allowing the investigation. So the statute of limitation promised in the contract has not teeth. Look at Sgt. Contract Bill of Rights Section 6 - C WE need to fight for real rights. Not rights that the Supt, can take away with the stroke of a pen!
First of all, those two were stupid to begin with and should've been fired regardless of how long ago for taking such a STUPID picture to begin with. They bring discredit to OUR proffesion. Anyone defending their behavior should give up their star now.
Second of all, those two were STUPID!!
And in the photo incident, there wasn't even a CR#. In fact, the guy in the photo is deceased.
Because it was civil rights violations and the Officer was white and the victim was black.
Now back to work.
The reason isn't a double standard .
Read the lawsuit he filed.
injured crackhead beefed that he broke her nose .
Ipra was pissed at him for beating the bogus criminal case so they took a case that they recommended 15 days for even after GMC not sustained it.
they upped the discipline to termination after he filed a inspector general complaint against ipra.
Then they found out through medical records the crackhead was injured by her boyfriend . Doctors said evans never injured her and she and her lawyers lied to get paid.
Ipra had egg on their face again so that fell through .
Then they pulled some other shit hence the lawsuit .
The crackhead has a dirty law firm out of Mount greenwood pulling the strings and ipra in their vindictiveness did not read the case file. That's why GE has a bunch of lawsuits going at ipra and others to be named .
Ipra lied about the five year statute and that's why they are heading to federal court.
read the lawsuit and the ones that are following .
There is no fairness in front of the board. So if anyone looks at past decisions it doesnt mean they'll follow the same guidelines. Precedent is not made in police board hearings. Clout and speaks loudest most of the time.
In short
complainant lied and got busted.
ipra went after evans because they had it out for him
They were caught falsifying evidence leaking confidential information and perjuring themselves during the criminal case
ipra went after him after he filed a complaint against the agency and tried to get him on a beef that medical evidence supported him .
5 year statute was made up for them to save face. Totally made up lie.
the haters already know this but it doesn't matter
if anything they treated him worse than most.
Scc will be getting reports on this. Then you'll know.
Allegations are one thing...a picture is proof in one's hand. No way could the dept. justify keeping that officer/detective on the job with that infamous pose today. It just wasn't going to happen.
It's definitely a double standard , but wow that picture is beyond fucked up
SCC, You and many of us know the answer after being in this game for decades. It would not be politically correct to fuck jam up a number one'.
The antler photo is a b.s. photo. Getting fired for this is outright shit. The last two years copper' been sand bagged to no end all over country. The kissing ass is a politicians job since LBJ started the votes for just watching Maury and soaps.
How the copper' on the street keep their cool is beyond reason. The parasite's hate the police so they can now go take a flying fuck. Let them kill away, if the police get involved, they get the grief of a life time.
Let the funeral directors get rich and the tee shirt printers make a fortune.
People you never thought of, are seeing the light and the b.s shows showing the ghetto folks as legends is all PC crap.
Peace be with the great CPD, you young men and women are the real heroes of the streets.
Going past five years has never been a reason to reinstate, go look at previous rulings. Lawyers always use that caveat on the outside chance but the board denies the motion. Hmmm I wonder whats different?
It's the time the allegation was made. Antler photo didn't surface until many years after photo taken.
Law. Statute precludes discipline for law enforcememt in matters of excessive force when it is over 5 years old. This does not apply to anything other tham excessive force cases so allegations of misconduct that are not exceasive force related can be dealt with at any point. Simply put it is in the statute
Is the DOJ investigating the Chinaman Syndrome?
I agree with you on this shit!
Love the exempts.
Give them all the pension they can soak up. Change the pension rule kick the exempts out of receiving bloated raises from the police pension.
They should be capped at whatever was the rank they attained by testing. Any merit pensions should come out of the cities clouted budget.
If the mayor picks them he should pay them a mayoral staff not police.
The photo was found by who? The Feds? After searching SOS files.
The CR was started by IAD Sgt. Mike Barz.
Ask the question who leaked out the photo to media? You can bet money it was Barz.
And it was Barz who started the Lieutenant cheating scandal CR, that was closed not
sustained. Now Barz is a lieutenant.
Wow a pattern of a IAD sgt making up allegations. And releasing CR information prior
to the Superintendent making a determination. Now IPRA is following the pattern.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Law. Statute precludes discipline for law enforcememt in matters of excessive force when it is over 5 years old. This does not apply to anything other tham excessive force cases so allegations of misconduct that are not exceasive force related can be dealt with at any point. Simply put it is in the statute
8/01/2016 05:54:00 AM
WRONG!!!!! The following chapter allows no statute of limitations thereby nullifying the collective bargaining agreement
belief of a 5 year statute of limitations. ALL OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIONS KNOW THIS AND DO NOT MAKE THE MEMBERSHIP AWARE!!! You have no rights and no union protection. They can reopen and reclassify cases as excessive force to circumvent the collective bargaining agreement and apply the 18.2 HOME RULE statute below. DO NOT BE FOOLED!! Look at the recent court decision regarding officer Castro in the June police board decision where the federal judge specifically cited HOME RULE Statute 18.2.
(65 ILCS 5/10-1-18.2) (from Ch. 24, par. 10-1-18.2)
Sec. 10-1-18.2. Home rule preemption. No municipality, including a municipality that is a home rule unit, may regulate the period of time or establish or enforce a statute of limitations relating to charges brought against a police officer before a Police Board, Civil Service Commission, or other board or officer empowered by law or ordinance to investigate police misconduct if the charge is based upon an allegation of the use of unreasonable force by a police officer. The statute of limitations established in Sections 10-1-18 and 10-1-18.1 for those charges are an exclusive exercise of powers and functions by the State under paragraph (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution.
(Source: P.A. 87-1239.)
Wait till you see the double standard when the McDonald findings come out,YOU HEARD IT HEAR..Maybe because one of the exempts last name begins with Mc also,maybe there is a blood connection..
Evans is black and the fired officer is white.
Hasn't anyone noticed that Eddie-the stripper-Johnson has only stripped Hispanic and Caucasian officers?
To quote Brian Thompson : the color of your skin is your sin.
You best be very N.O.B.L.E. if u wants to survive....
WBEZ News
IPRA Ousts Attorney Over Twitter Interaction With Drug Dealer
IPRA chief administrator Sharon Fairley
A Chicago agency that looks into police misconduct has booted one of its staff attorneys over social-media use, WBEZ has learned.
The Independent Police Review Authority forced chief investigative law officer Lindsay Wilson Gowin to resign after she exchanged dozens of private Twitter messages with a user of that network who claimed to be part of a drug-dealing gang on the city’s South Side.
In that conversation, which took place July 1, the gang member showed Gowin a video of a plainclothes officer frisking men in front of an unmarked police SUV. The gang member accused the officer of extorting “crack and cash” from the group “at least three times a week.”
“Wow,” Gowin replied. “Get his name and star number, and let me know. I will have him fired.”
When the gang member signaled that the officer’s life could be in danger, Gowin had a suggestion: “How about we work together to make this stop quick, because nobody benefits from a dead cop or a life sentence.”
Gowin turned in screen shots of the conversation to her IPRA superiors. Agency spokeswoman Mia Sissac said IPRA forwarded material to the police department’s Internal Affairs Division, which investigates alleged cop corruption.
WBEZ obtained a redacted version of the screen shots from IPRA using the Illinois Freedom of Information Act. They show more than 150 messages between Gowin and the gang member.
Near the beginning of the exchange, Gowin asked about a gang conflict in that part of the city: “What would it take to get both sides to stop trying to kill each other? Also, why has no one taken out [redacted name]’s worthless ass so far?”
“If one of us backs down,” the gang member wrote, “other gangs will take us as weak and try to take over.”
Still, Sissac said this portion of Gowin’s online interaction “raised concerns about her judgment.”
In a written statement, IPRA Chief Administrator Sharon R. Fairley said that “Gowin’s recent departure from the agency was based on performance-related issues.”
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Law. Statute precludes discipline for law enforcememt in matters of excessive force when it is over 5 years old. This does not apply to anything other tham excessive force cases so allegations of misconduct that are not exceasive force related can be dealt with at any point. Simply put it is in the statute
8/01/2016 05:54:00 AM
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well if you know so much why don;t you name the statute so we can all have a peek
While one may have nothing to do with the other, the photo was a stupid picture that didn't harm anyone. The FBI interviewed the kid years ago, before he dies and it determined he was a willing participant. The only reason that TM was fired was because he was sitting next to that buffoon, JF. TM didn't lie about the stupid picture and this never should have gotten this far. Suspension? Arguably. Termination?? Ridiculous.
Evans claims the IPRA was biased, not that he was wrong.
He will collect big time because he's entitled. This will go away quietly.
Antler Boys lose and their staged antic always resurface like a Burge Mystery Box, as will poster boys LeQuan & MacDonald.
Old cases make civil rights attorneys wealthy with City settlements.
Stop feeding the media and Stay Fetal.
It's not as black and white as it seems...
Go after him for what? For being a good leader and a great cop? For looking after those who worked? This city owes him the throne after the dirty political games. Only if we have another one like him in comp stat... only if we had a boss who said it like it is...
2 sets of rules as always, just hoping Evans gets all the gold star idiots that threw him under the bus, even these exempt members are all out for themselves! Speaking of that why does the mayor have a deatil paying commanders pay and sergeants pay plus they get the huge pension dip at that rate! kenny hauser and lappe front and center you said that since fire eliminated the gold braid pension you were doing the same,are you asleep at the switch again gentlemen?
Few reasons....clout, rank, race...
Unfortunately T McD is paying for all the crimes his stepfather Little Tommy B committed over the years as a capo di tutti capo in the Daley mob.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Evans is black and the fired officer is white.
Hasn't anyone noticed that Eddie-the stripper-Johnson has only stripped Hispanic and Caucasian officers?
To quote Brian Thompson : the color of your skin is your sin.
8/01/2016 09:05:00 AM
Brian's father was a connected lieutenant on and on it goes seems very racist!
There is one set of rules for bosses and a set of rules for blue shirts, come on really? Fat Eddie and Evans know each other DUH!
You dirty bastards who lie about what Thompson said....look in the mirror and you will see the REAL rascist!
Wearing atlers? administrative and dumb even though I wasn't offended by it racially. Deer and blacks have what connection again? Alleged to have committed crime, arrested, charged, demoted... how are these two the same? Are you really that dumb? Double standard? How?
1.Administrative/criminal = different outcome.
2.Antler tard wasn't arrested, charged, put through the crook county assembly line.
3.Evans was investigated by multiple entities.
4.Various forms of misconduct by city and ASA were proven during trial. Scary stuff.
5.Party is just getting started... sit back, kick back and get some popcorn ready.
Let's not forget the facts, which you sh*t talkers prolly dun kno. Some can say racial favor,clout, rank, etc... but you can't prove it can ya? Since he has so much clout and rank he was able to avoid getting screwed by everyone. Typical know it all all talk coppers. Can't wait to watch this guy name an island after your dog just to piss on it LOL
off topic...why does new organization order list the nonexistent ambassador section---but neglects to mention the section which does exist and was supposed to be handling behavioral intervention/personnel concerns programs----a hot topic of "why hasn't anybody been enrolled in YEARS....."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You dirty bastards who lie about what Thompson said....look in the mirror and you will see the REAL rascist!
8/02/2016 08:34:00 AM
Probably not the ones who can spell correctly.....
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