Lightfoot Speaks Crazy Talk
- Police Board President Lori Lightfoot on Wednesday sympathized with the police union’s claim that the Chicago Police Department is violating the due process of seven officers it’s seeking to fire for allegedly covering up the police shooting of Laquan McDonald.
Lightfoot and Fraternal Order of Police President Dean Angelo are unlikely allies.
Not only does she preside over the Police Board that will decide whether to uphold the firings recommended by Police Supt. Eddie Johnson and has fired 12 officers in the last year.
Lightfoot also co-chaired the Task Force on Police Accountability that released a scathing 190-page report last spring that Angelo denounced as “biased” against police officers because it portrays them as racist. The report also complains about a police contract that turns a “code of silence into official policy.”
But that didn’t stop Lightfoot from acknowledging that Angelo had a point when he argued that the seven officers targeted for firing have not been treated fairly.
So what exactly is she going to do to ensure fairness?
Nothing. She blames the Department, specifically Special Ed:
Nothing. She blames the Department, specifically Special Ed:
- Lightfoot was asked whether that should have happened already and whether, in his haste to solve a political controversy, Johnson may have put the cart before the horse.
“In the normal course, that would happen. Typically when an officer is stripped, they’re given specific allegations. They’re given access to information. In something this serious, yeah. It should happen. I can’t account for why it sounds like it hasn’t happened in this instance. But, I’m hoping that circumstance gets rectified shortly,” she said.
So is Special Ed being set up for a fall? Get a load of this second article where Lightfoot says the Contract and promotional process is all wrong:
- Police Board President Lori Lightfoot argued Wednesday for increased training and changes to both the police contract and to the way police supervisors are chosen to restore public trust in the Chicago Police Department shattered by the police shooting of Laquan McDonald.
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She homed in on a system of choosing police supervisors that “makes no sense whatsoever because they are not tested or selected for their ability to actually supervise.”
“Sergeants who, on a day-in, day-out basis, touch more officers than anybody else in the department — they are the backbone of the department. They are the key to cultural change. And they have to be selected in a way that makes sense. They have to be supported with training and follow-up, so they can do their job effectively,” she said.
“You’ve got to think about internal legitimacy and external legitimacy. Those are not things that the department currently tests for. If you collect people on a set of criteria that isn’t really consistent with the realities of the job, you’re setting them up for failure.”
So....the ability to be given and remember the answers to a promotional exam isn't a good way to select supervisors? And people who were granted "merit" bumps, probably shouldn't be scoring 1, 2 and 3 on the exam, when all three of them work in the same Unit? And one is married to the First Deputy? And another is sleeping with the Chief of Patrol? And (if the rumors are true) scoring a perfect 100%?
So what criteria would be appropriate for promoting supervisors we wonder.
So what criteria would be appropriate for promoting supervisors we wonder.
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Does anyone else agree that all merit promotions should be made on the end? Make 450 off a list, then make your 150 merit on the end. This way they get their merit spot but they don't steal seniority from those that deserve it
In North East Wisconsin me and my John Deer mowed the grass today. My sons helped build a new fire pit for fall. Had WCUB AM radio 950 out of Two Rivers on. Classic Country. Relocate and enjoy life again.
The city will go thru some cosmetic promotional changes but the bottom line is that the city will never give up the "merit" selection process. This may be an excuse to expand "merit" promotions. The reality is clout and diversity (quotas) must be taken care of regardless of leadership ability, skill or knowledge.
so knowing that due process is been infringed and moving ahead with firing these officers, she's waiving her qualified immunity and subjecting herself to a 6th Amd lawsuit by knowingly and willing violating constitutional rights
am I right?
Everyone is upset that there was cheating on the Lieutenant test . Why ? Is it because the cheaters are African - Americans ? Like a black captain told me where do you think we learned it from ? Amazing but it's been going on forever ! The cheating began in 1998 when Ernst and Young enlisted exempt personnel from the Chicago Police Department to help out the test together . Hoe
Can the Superintendent of the police department be involved when his son and his entire tactical team took the test in 2002 ? Social engineering through affirmative action and basically cheating which continues today . Throw in merit promotions who don't fit the intended criteria such as an ex-superintendent daughter who worked in the Central district and you got what you deserve supervisors unfit to lead who are not even adequate police officers .
But this is Chicago and we are used to graft , cronyism and out and out cheating . Another thing that happens when you violate the Bill of Rights is the people who should have gotten promoted don't and after a few exams and failure to get promoted they don't care anymore . Cops who make great bosses never get a chance .
The Union we pay every two weeks has failed for decades to ensure fairness . Dean Angelo , Mark Donahue and others have stated they "don't care about promotion exams , " we are losing you as a member and don't care who they promote ! You get who you vote for !
Sorry this was railroad job from the beginning. Is she going to recuse herself since she coauthored the task force report where she stated all officers were racists and everyone lied to cover a justified shooting up? Just like Ferguson she must step aside because at the very least it gives the appearance of a conflict of interest. Let a judge decide rather than the hand picked board that will without a doubt rubber stamp Rahm's decision to fire. Media ask Johnson why he told McNaughton he was not going to concur with the IG's recommendation because he knew it was bullshit. You can't prove one way or the other whether someone actually perceived what they said they did. The next day Charise Valente, Robert Boik Chief of staff formerly Barb Byrd's chief of staff, and Steve Patton decided that to protect the mayor the would sacrafice 9 upstanding police officers and recommended firings for all. Can someone from the media just look at this objectively and quit trying to force your liberal agenda that all police are bad. This is a complete railroad but you refuse to acknowledge EJ was supposed to be the OCIC that night. Find out why he didn't respond. Find out what actions he took when he saw the video. How could everyone in the chain deem it justified and then Rahm give 5 million away to secure the election. Do your job and find out.
It is really quite simple, promote officers up the chain of command based on minority status. Remove testing and initiate a process that resembles merit but is actually the 'old boy' system based on minority status and of course throw in a few connected whites. One can stand in front of a classroom and teach leadership skills from a PowerPoint, but true leaders have that ability within themselves.
Lightfoot does make sense in one regard. There is and has been a huge number of sergeants, lieutenants, captains and above who didn't know HOW TO LEAD. But then look at who Lightfoot voted twice for president, someone who leads from behind and throws everyone under the bus.
She is got one thing right there is a mass elitist from the police department and the citizens of chicago.
The city managers have made a mess of chicago. It has become a shooting gallery / bloodbath and a crime ridden city.
I will be going west. Last one out turn out the lights.
By "legitimacy" is she including how she selected Williams as her only internal choice and first choice for superintendent and nobody questioned her after the lt scandal and his connection came to light?
The MAYOR said we have a code of silence. BS, that's the movies, read the blog. Everyone gets called out. The only code of silence is the SENIOR Level Command Staff, aka GOLD STARS! The choosen ones. This group is clueless.
They have done more damage to the city than the criminals. They just handed the criminals incident victims.
Almost like they are inviting a suit to reverse everything? Except for the pain, misery, and hell that the officers and their families will go through.
In other words, everyone above the rank of Sergeant is probably a miserable failure?
That's what I heard!
I stated it here previously, and I'll say it again: Eddie Johnsonville Brats is going to resign and Melissa Staples will be your first female Chicago Police Supt. I bet I get a really, really good spot then!
"So what criteria would be appropriate for promoting supervisors we wonder?"
Going out on a limb here, You could start by requiring them to past an honest promotion exam?
Maybe even have some training for their new position at a school or academy somewhere?
Silly Talk
Is she going to be the next supt, ala O.W. Wilson?
Speaking of scandals,
Trump's attacks on Clinton are hitting home. Hillary called into CNN to defend herself.
The Clinton News Network was happy to let her talk without pushback.
14,900 of Hillary's "deleted" emails have been found. Lots of email about her deals in exchange for cash to the Clinton Criminal Foundation.
Huma was a bad girl, leaving classified information in State Department vehicles. She also wrote and edited a Saudi Arabian radical Sharia magazine.
But Trump? He is uncouth...
Board President Lori Lightfoot only has ONE THING on her mind these days when an officer now has to go before the board for a hearing... TERMINATE TERMINATE TERMINATE--- NO MATTER WHAT !!!!!!!!
Where did this obviously white racist elitist republican fem WHA?!?! She. Is. None. Of. These. . . And the media covered this (whats the emoji for dumbfounded %|
What a nice thing to say as she thinks about running for mayor and looking for votes,as she fires officers, who's due process were violated
She is NUTS...
I spent 6 months at callback stripped before I ever received my allegations. Got pulled in off the street, stripped and was given a paper with a cr# on it. That was all. No allegations. It's actually the worst part of being stripped: not being told why. Think is more common then not actually. System is beyond broke
They kept telling us that Patrol was the backbone of the Dept..... Now the backbone is the Sgts?? I feel so lied to.....
She also said that the contract needs to changed so there's no sworn affidavit to file complaints against the police. Am I wrong or isn't that state law and has nothing to do with the contract?
Lightfoot wants continual testing of police officers and supervisors.
So that is great, let's see how Department has done this in past?
The computer online testing........we're no one fails.
I call that all Lawyers be tested each year to see if they are competent to do the job.
Could you see the lawyers siting in class taking that two day test each year?
This coming from former director of OPS who had a hard time doing investigations
in a timely manner.
She does not like police and she sure does not like Eddie the stripper.
Great leaders here no wonder the have to cheat to take the tests for promotions.
I think The Community should pick the supervisors
So she is upset that the law is followed as part of due process? Also, we never face our accusers, we face investigations and departmental scrutiny. Imagine that, we have contractual protections that ensure a legal process is actually followed. This job is beyond ridiculous. I couldn't imagine ever being a "worker" again. This job is dead and this city screwed. Grab your parachutes gents, it's time to jump because the aircraft is going down.
How is there not a thorough investigation into this alleged promotional scandal. The mayor , the FOP, the justice department, and the governors office should be demanding a probe. The press is , once again , ignoring a HUGE scandal because the players involved don't fit the profile of those they love to crucify. I mean, if true that these promoted individuals were given the answers , heads should roll and indictments should be considered. And to score 1,2,3? Perfect or almost perfect scores? You'd think they'd have been smart enough to do what any cheating 3rd grader would do and at least get a few questions wrong so as not to arouse suspicion. This is serious stuff here . Demand answers!!
What cover up?
Lets stop the BS. Police officers did not cover this up.
Lets stop repeating lies, if you lie repeatedly then people might think its the truth.
Here is the truth:
Rahm Emanuel covered this up because of his re-election.
Intelligence test.
common sense test.
and finally the standard memorize answer test the city gives.
Quagmire.
Talk about a biased process, I really don't know who these police board members are and what thier qualifications are but to me it looks like total politics, all hand picked by Rahm. Take a look at many of the coppers that have gone c to the board. Most have gotten fired c and all since VanDyke got into trouble. Go to the police board hearing site and you can see and read the cases. Lori makes a statement in this article about middle classed black folks getting harassed by pice. But fact, crime was down when we're were making street stops. Tie the hands of the cops and crimes rises.
I think there should be a better process to pick the police board president. Wasn't Ms Lightfoot shitcanned from head of OPS by Richie Daley for fucking things up there?
If it weren't for cheaters CPD would have no bosses.
Cheating is never ok. I don't care what the hell color you are. Has nothing to do with being black. Has all to do with ethics. The difference is this time around it appears as though fingers can be pointed at specific culprits. We have a pretty good guess at specifically who is involved - the one(s) that had the test to give and the one(s) that took the test and the promotion. I was never privy to the other test scandles. I always heard about the notify the watch commander test but that was all I heard. I had no idea who was involved. This time I do. Has nothing to do with race. They stole a promotion from me. They stole a promotion away from some very good sergeants that I know flat out deserved to be lieutenants. They studied their asses off and deserved that promotion but were left on the back burner. The mayor gave my promotion away to these lying dogs. I give a f*ck what color they are.
They are unethical theives who will surely face karma one day. I hope someday soon. Screw them and the superintendent they rode in on.
Get use to this BS you poor guys and gals are disposable.
Just retired sitting on deck out in Galena all I can say is get out
as soon as possible. I waited and now I know I should have left two years ago.
31 years, 14, 25, 24 and area north. Back when you had detectives in area 5.
Grab your parachutes gents, it's time to jump because the aircraft is going down.
This aircraft crashed a long time ago.
Anyone who thinks this isn't a calculated move is a freaking idiot. They are a mile ahead of you
FTO TEST. Took it. In my hand I walked it down stairs to a ScanTron machine and was given my results instantly. Within an hour the results were posted and you saw your ranking.
Every CPD needs to read the report.
https://chicagopatf.org/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone else agree that all merit promotions should be made on the end? Make 450 off a list, then make your 150 merit on the end. This way they get their merit spot but they don't steal seniority from those that deserve it
8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM
They would still be stealing from those who deserved it. Those are he ones who scored in rank order. You are still stealing 150 rank ordered spots from people.
There should be zero merit promotions.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/charges-filed-against-teen-in-chinatown-police-involved-shooting/1482373/
How come they can do this but we cant?
A trooper opened fire on a stolen car Saturday when officers said it tried to run them over. One of the four people in the car, a 15-year-old boy, was wounded.
What's the deal with all the unmarked vehicles driving around 009 with their emergency lights on the last few nights? They look like a bunch of clowns.
The system is working fine. Don't change a thing.
In private industry people who perform their jobs well and who have knowledge of that job are usually promoted up the ladder. However, nepotism and cronyism does come into play now and then. Others are hired to be supervisors or managers based on their qualifications and success at other companies. Merit promotions are a good idea if they are done fairly and objectively. In Chicago racial politics are everything
The city's negotiating team headed by James Franczek will be under tremendous pressure to roll back the rights that protect your jobs this contract......start off with a counter offer of suspending the residency requirement for bargaining unit members with 10 or more years and make it plain that if brought to arbitration you'll seek relief from residency for all members in the courts.........they'll fold like a cheap card table.
There's no way they can cave on residency, it's your TRUMP card (pun intended)
Internal and external legitimacy???? Let's start with the Lietenant exam ....one a fiance and the other who scored no 1 is the wife of the second in charge. That's why this dept is a joke. The fiance claimed Mikwaukee is a state..... That says it all.
I would make the PATF report, where they baselessly slander EVERY CPD member as racist would be exhibit # 1 . Make them own it.
Lightfoot , start with requiring all command staff to take the last sergeant , lieutenant test and post the results in every newspaper .
Bwahaha
"Everyone is upset that there was cheating on the Lieutenant test . Why ? Is it because the cheaters are African - Americans ? Like a black captain told me where do you think we learned..."
No you IDIOT, we are upset because they cheated and walked around HQ bragging about it to everyone! Now they will eventually be held accountable for their misconduct.
***Where do these new progressive democrat code words come from? "Touches" "Legitimacy"...is this the Obama DOJ talking points? In 25 years I've never heard these words used to describe internal and external police interactions until McCarthy came along. Now Mr. Lightfoot continues using them? Seems to me that this is all some kind of sinister plan falling into place and we are going to get screwed.
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merit promotions should be made on the end? Make 450 off a list, then make your 150 merit on the end. This way they get their merit spot but they don't steal seniority from those that deserve it
8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM
Unless you're the person who's 451
I had the pleasure of working with a few people that would have been great supervisors.and great detectives too. The politics of the job killed them and made them miserable. So, they packed up and retired. Me too! Bust your butt to study for an exam.... Only knowing the game is rigged. Politics has killed this job. I knew my place in the food chain on day one. You can scream out for " fairness".... But, that's a 20-25-30 year scream that goes unheard
So what criteria would be appropriate for promoting supervisors we wonder.
ANSWER: #BLM
BIG CITY CLUE:
" (LL)... police supervisors are chosen to restore public trust in the Chicago Police Department shattered by the police shooting of Laquan... who, on a day-in, day-out basis, touch more officers than anybody else in the department — they are the backbone of the department. They are the key to cultural change. And they have to be selected in a way that makes sense..."
– Let me tell you this, THERE WILL NEVER BE AN EXAM THAT WILL RESULT IN A HIGH SCORE PROMOTION. Selection may be based on personal interviews before a Lightfoot Board.
The days when the well qualified (and you know who you are) are numbered or gone,
and it could be immediate to satisfy the Rahm/IPRA/DOJ.
No more "I'm number --- on The List".
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In North East Wisconsin me and my John Deer mowed the grass today. My sons helped build a new fire pit for fall. Had WCUB AM radio 950 out of Two Rivers on. Classic Country. Relocate and enjoy life again.
8/25/2016 12:19:00 AM
Into worse, brutal winters? Classic country?? You must be high!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They kept telling us that Patrol was the backbone of the Dept..... Now the backbone is the Sgts?? I feel so lied to.....
8/25/2016 06:23:00 AM
The patrol division is the backbone of any police department. In Chicago, look at any promotion list. The clouted from specialized units dominate promotions time and time again.
Does anyone else agree that all merit promotions should be made on the end? Make 450 off a list, then make your 150 merit on the end. This way they get their merit spot but they don't steal seniority from those that deserve it
8/25/2016 12:17:00 AM
Been saying the same thing for years. Totally agree if it was done this way it would at least allow people who made it by score to get in BEFORE merit. And at least people would know that the list would be done when the merit people got the bump.
Hey isnt the reason why we have so many terrible supervisors that are WAY over their head doing the job is because they were promoted because of what they LOOK LIKE....aka MERIT......Affirmative action.
Theres been cheating on that LT.'s test ever since we had injuns selling smoked Lake Trout on the shores of Michi gami. Which means "Big motherfucking water".
Good ole Facebook.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681894/Facebook-refuses-remove-sickening-cartoon-police-officer-having-throat-slit-Black-Panther-page-Dallas-cop-killer-Micah-Xavier-Johnson-ranted-just-days-massacre.html
If they legitimize the supervisor testing process and remove merit 90% of those promoted off the list will be male whites. Followed by years of lawsuits suggesting the test results prove the test was culturally biased. Round and round we go, it's exhausting.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone is upset that there was cheating on the Lieutenant test . Why ? Is it because the cheaters are African - Americans ? Like a black captain told me where do you think we learned it from ? Amazing but it's been going on forever !
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No, I happen to think it's wrong regardless and I feel most believe the same thing regardless of who the cheaters are. So, by your logic, it's happened before with non-AA officers so it should be okay? Well, I disagree. I've heard of merit promotions for officers thay have went above and beyond or were LOD injuries under honorable conditions. I personally have no problem with that. I don't know the way the department was greater than 10 years ago so I can't speak to that. If juice babies existed, it is wrong, regardless of one's color. This department has had high ranking black officers since before I was on, presuming of course Terry Hillard wasn't the only black boss. I'm incline to believe he wasn't. It's not about race. I think this is just to the point of absurdity and so blatant, so widespread among a privileged group of friends that it's more noticeable at once. Take the dicks exam for example. I don't recall any other exam in which the proctors openly announced "if you are being made merit, you do not have to sit for the remainder of the test. Exit the room and turn in your study material before leaving." That to me is so obviously out of line. Not to mention a bunch of privileged officers left right after part one, like they were too good to even come back. Does what I wrote make sense?
Anonymous said...
I think The Community should pick the supervisors
8/25/2016 06:46:00 AM
In many cases they do. It is called " merit". That who is running things today, the political and progressive classes. Chicago is their grand social experiment and as always, personal responsibility is never mentioned, just racism and white supremacy .
Hey Lori:
Have you met Lie-Tenant Fenner?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I stated it here previously, and I'll say it again: Eddie Johnsonville Brats is going to resign and Melissa Staples will be your first female Chicago Police Supt. I bet I get a really, really good spot then!
8/25/2016 01:31:00 AM
Wow.
Rahm could score lots of points there with females and also the LGBT crowd.
She certainly couldn't do worse than Eddie the Axe Man. He's truly a stumbling, bumbling buffoon!
Lightfoot makes sense. The officers who are to be (allegedly) fired by EJ should receive their due process, no matter how blatant the lies may appear on their signed reports.
Lightfoot nails it with respect to supervisors; they need much more follow (in service) training, to ensure that the agency's goal of holding people accountable for their actions is thoroughly immersed in the mindset of all supervisors.
Civilian here.
Let's face it. In Chicago, those with clout get what they want and those without cry about it. Cheating on exams is not a new thing. It's been going on for years and now it's a problem because African-Americans are doing it? As 12:22 said....where do you think they learned this from?
It's all about the money folks. Why would a smart guy like Rahm not only want to take on the responsibilities of mayor, especially following RMD, but also spend $5 million of the taxpayer's money to try and hush up the McDonald clan? The mayor of Chicago is the spigot for billions of dollars going into the hands of his friends and supporters. The rest of us, as Kass says, are chumbalones.
Ever wondered why RMD was never investigated by the Justice Department in any Administration during his 20+ years in office?
Even now, while we're distracted by the shootings and killings across the city, I would bet you dollars to donuts that some people are making fortunes taking advantage of the chaos. Squirrel, squirrel.
This is a great blog. Ladies and gentlemen, if you see something, know something, put it out here. If the media won't report on it, at least it will be out here.
NOw that everyone has found a way to cheat whether by merit or by getting the answers from a secret study group, it doesn't matter. THis department has NO INTEGRITY when it comes to promotion exams. Then you see all these IDIOT supervisors with no time on the street get made and it guarantees a bump in their pension of at least $1000/mo for life. This really sux and nothing will ever change, the higher the rank the more cover up and amnesty against cheating. Just look around at your supervisors and you can tell the merit promotees from the bonafide good scoring test takers.
Lets put lightfoot in the blue uniform for a month and have her work 99 on afternoons in some of the worst districts in the city...
And still this mess is still goin on!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-i-57-chase-suspect-hit-0826-20160825-story.html
PLEASE tell me this chase wasn't really just for retail theft.
Stay Safe CPD Brothers and Sisters
make up new rules as you go along
violate police officers contractual rights
Fly on the Wall: Look at what she said, she is saying that the department circumvented the contract, Arbitration rulings, and State Law. Being the former head of the agency that investigated Police misconduct she knows that there is a problem with this. I am not sticking up for her, not the least but as the former head of OPS, she knows the proper procedure. The department did not follow these procedures. She knows that there are going to be problems firing the PO down the line. As far as changing the requirement that complainants must sign a affidavit that requirement is State Law. The city can get out of this requirement but it a cumbersome process. IPRA gets around this requirement all the time. How you ask? Very simple. A citizen (not the complainant) calls IPRA and states that he/she saw a PO beat someone, lets say on a call for service. IPRA obtains a number and an Investigator from IPRA locates this witness and the witness signs the affidavit IPRA now has a signed affidavit and a investigation can begin. Now a Investigator from IPRA locates the person who allegedly been beaten up by a PO and he either signs an affidavit or not. If this person does not sign a Refusals to cooperate then IPRA CAN STILL IVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATION BECAUSE OF THIS SIGNED AFFIDAVIT. The above scenario plays out often. IF this person does not sign the affidavit but gives a statement, the statement can not be used in the investigation but the Investigator STILL HAS THE STATEMENT. FOP for what ever reason does not challenge IPRA when this occurs. If one reads the State Statute on Signed Affidavits, according to this Statute, the person who is the "Victim" of this alleged wrong must sign the affidavit so the investigation continues. The City position is the alleged victim of wrong doing does not have to sign the affidavit anyone can to initiate an Investigation. This is not only wrong it a violation of the law. The easy way to change this is to change the Statute. However, there will be a problem changing the statue due to opposition from the State FOP and other police representatives pressing the legislators. Madigan knows if he changes this statute then he knows that he will loose the Police Vote and their familes.
Hey 12:17 AM 450 off Sgt list? I was 372 on list and didn't make it with all these merit fucks from Sgt to Lt. ABSOLUTELY have NO respect for a merit Sgt and especially a merit lt. How the fuck do they even talk to any of us? WTF. I retired and gave it my best. No regrets. I look at myself in the mirror each morning and smile knowing I did not fuck over my brothers and sisters who DESERVED to be promoted. FUCK the merit fucks. Sure their spouses/children will find out one day that they failed all the tests but still got promoted.
You’ve got to think about internal legitimacy and external legitimacy. Those are not things that the department currently tests for. If you collect people on a set of criteria that isn’t really consistent with the realities of the job, you’re setting them up for failure.”
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Translation: There's too many white, male supervisors.
Just make everyone at R & D a minority and they can write all the orders. The department can say the orders are geared towards minorities and their argument is dead. There's your solution.
Everybody please familiarize yourself with the following law:
(50 ILCS 725/) Uniform Peace Officers' Disciplinary Act.
Preckwinkle has been awful quite lately. My theory is she has a cabinet seat all lined up in DC with the Clinton regime should Hillary win.
Is it me or is LIGHTFOOT the biggest hypocrite that ever worked in this city. Wasn't she head of OPS many years ago? So now that she has been "re-born" during her second tour she magically has all the answers. How about she just moves on and stop with all the BS.
The sergeants test given in 92 or so was given by Arthur Anderson. I don't recall if they compiled the final exam given but it was legit.
I know this due to the fact that my packet was missing an entire section of material, and upon appeal AA gave me full credit for the missing section. AA also didn't give the city the results until the scores were mailed out. This was the genesis for dick daly pulling the list down at 450ish and implementing merit.
My point being, hire a fancy consulting firm to compile and administer all promotional exams. The only input from the city is the check sent to the firm.
Looks like Leadfoot is doing rahm's bidding...all complaints against police accepted.
I'm outta here in a few months. You young ones need to wise up.
Do zero proactive. Answer calls , write paper leave , repeat.
Now Retired...
Since we are talking about "The Contract" and violations there of...
Has there been any mention of the violation where the city has released dash-cam, station and body-cam videos that are recognizable photos of police officers under investigation?
Did anyone complain to FOP?
Did Dean say anything about this?
It occurred to me that the reason they want to grab officer's phones from the scenes of police involved shooting is not just for the records of who called who. They want to grab any cellphone photos and videos that might have been taken.
I'd like to see photos of the tire(s) that McDonald slashed and any other damage he did. I was finally able to get through to the Standards Editor of USAToday and complained I told them that the story on Page 3A about Chicago Police recommends 7 firings has a gross error. They stated McDonald was a, "unarmed black teenager". I told them about the knife he threatened officers with and the damage he caused. I just see the paper in my doctor's office so I probably will not see a correction printed.
Judge Prentiss Marshall said he didn't care if the city decided promotions by arm wrestling as long as the numbers came out right.
Work is relentless right now. In the past when we actually had adequate manpower there were ways of avoiding the mayhem. When you factor in a department 1/3 shorter than it used to be and an emboldened criminal element actually speaking confrontation you have a nightmare scenario. The amount of P.T.S.D. you see even in the slower districts is frightening and growing. We are fighting an Uncivil War with one hand behind our back. We NEED help.
Due process in CPD....seems to be a joke,but IT Isn't. There seems to be at least two layers of "law". One for Them and one for Blue Shirts. After many years watching the decline of support for the CPD from the top.... Mayor ...down to whoever he chit-chats with I am beyond dismayed. Tho I really shouldn't be. The signs were there 20yrs ago, and there where you who were out there,and saw it happening. I hope, but don't believe there is any recovery for what once was a solid good Police Force in the City of Chicago.
Good luck .... Get your 55 and out and the rest of you... Keep your heads down, feet Off the gas.. And go HOME Safe.
Lori is light in the brain department, meanwhile in chiraq car found by Lincoln park zoo used in double homicide, looks like "Chicago's very own" savage animals are going out to other counties to conduct their anarchy and murder! First they are stealing cars from the suburbs and doing drive byes etc in chiraq now they are killing and bring the vehicles back!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-sycamore-homicides-car-found-met-20160825-story.html
Ahh residents of high taxed Lincoln park guess who is coming for a dinner murder mystery and you will be the star! As rahm keeps taking police away and putting the few we have in shit areas the crime rate is rapidly climbling as the blood covers rahm and company!
Their so stupid they couldn't even answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look some what legit even then it would still be fishy.
What's this I hear that she also wants to remove the affidavit for filing complaints against the police. If true, are you fucking kidding me!
Anonymous said...
Is she going to be the next supt, ala O.W. Wilson?
8/25/2016 03:09:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^
No one could do the job like I did. She does not have my educational back round. Police officers hated that I was not one of them but they loved my raises!
Just wait till Obama's third term. Total nationalization of all police forces and every penny from out pension and defered comp will be confiscated to fund the welfare state. If you think this won't happen you are just a naive bumpkin.
I am proud to say I was one of the 1st of her firings, and to be honest I couldn't careless. Back each other up and be safe.
In other news:
NYC police union names Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke as Man of the Year
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/25/david-clarke-named-nyc-police-unions-man-year/
don't feel bad cheating lieutenants!!
captain marty ryczek doesn't know a damn thing about police work, so he gets to pretend he knows technical issues related to the dept.
another stupid merit asshat
You can lock up the entire police department but nothing will change until you address the real cultural carnage going on the streets, play politics all you want but the problems lie on the citizens not police!
Everyone is upset that there was cheating on the Lieutenant test . Why ? Is it because the cheaters are African - Americans ? Like a black captain told me where do you think we learned it from ? Amazing but it's been going on forever ! The cheating began in 1998 when Ernst and Young enlisted exempt personnel from the Chicago Police Department to help out the test together . But this is Chicago and we are used to graft , cronyism and out and out cheating ..............
8/25/2016 12:22:00 AM
Began in 1998??!!! You must be new here Mr. Know it all.
I would say that officers are upset about a cheating scandal on steroids, not because they were black:
First all it happened in the halls of IAD. The Unit here to make sure things like that don't happen.
Second, this merit Chief didn't just help, he handed out the answers to a test he had possession of.
Third, an answer sheet turned up at the Sgts exam. Again, that was the answer sheet, not just some answers or some 'direction'.
All of the accused are black. You brought that up by the way. I don't remember it being an issue before.
You currently have the largest group of "MERIT" exempts that ever existed on this Department. In fact I am hard pressed to name one that isn't. I hope they truly are exemplary because I see dark days ahead and we will need some good people up there. Do you honestly think our best and brightest have risen to the top?
What is meant by her comment "key to cultural change"? Does obeying the law change depending upon one's culture?
I hope Dean reads the papers and listens to the news.
These bastards are out to strip any and all protections we have away.
Apparently we're worse than second class citizens and Lightgoot and "the community" don't want us to have any rights or protections at all.
Dean:
Are you listening? Formulating a plan?
Hello, Dean.... are you there??
They kept telling us that Patrol was the backbone of the Dept..... Now the backbone is the Sgts?? I feel so lied to.....
8/25/2016 06:23:00 AM
You do know there are plenty of Sgts in the patrol division, right?
OT --
"Free air conditioners! Free furnaces!"
"What's this crazy talk coming from my husband the HVAC man?"
I love those radio ads...
Anyway -- radio reports now that free high-end cars are still a big concept. "Unlocked cars being whipped off residential streets in Elmhurst." Door-tuggers still doing that "power walk" exercise, maybe O'Neal mob still runnin wild?
Yeah, everyone says don't chase a stolen. Maybe they're right, but it's what else goes along with this doorknob-testing and garage-creeping s__t that scares me. Your kid goes out there to get their school bag or something, and runs into...
Stay safe.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Their so stupid they couldn't even answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look some what legit even then it would still be fishy.
8/25/2016 04:50:00 PM
If they're so stupid as to use department email to discuss cheating on the test, they're stupid enough to get a perfect score on the test they had the answers to.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The sergeants test given in 92 or so was given by Arthur Anderson. I don't recall if they compiled the final exam given but it was legit.
I know this due to the fact that my packet was missing an entire section of material, and upon appeal AA gave me full credit for the missing section. AA also didn't give the city the results until the scores were mailed out. This was the genesis for dick daly pulling the list down at 450ish and implementing merit.
My point being, hire a fancy consulting firm to compile and administer all promotional exams. The only input from the city is the check sent to the firm.
8/25/2016 03:14:00 PM
Would that be the same Arthur Anderson company that sent out TWO sets of scores for the lieutenant test after certain people didn't score well enough and they suddenly shot to the top of the list when the SECOND mailing of scores went out? You mean THAT fancy consulting firm, that's so free of City interference? I still have both letters. They're a testament to the insulting so-called 'testing' process.
1969ish.....Shakman.... Anyone remember ??
"Everyone is upset that there was cheating on the Lieutenant test . Why ? Is it because the cheaters are African - Americans ? Like a black captain told me where do you think we learned..."
No you IDIOT, we are upset because they cheated and walked around HQ bragging about it to everyone! Now they will eventually be held accountable for their misconduct.
How did you get to work at HQ?
"I have a plan. said...
"Just wait till Obama's third term."
8/25/2016 05:23:00 PM
Now that is a trip.
* * * A-3564678 -- SCENARIO FOR SUSPENSION OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW * * *
Hillary's thyroid blows during another A-List Hollywood fundraiser, at which point her prearranged Plan B -- deposited with Huma Abedin -- goes into effect, and The Donald is kidnapped by Huma's Muslim Brotherhood and held for ransom in the sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-basement of Bloomberg's latest 300-story "Sharia finance" tower in Dubai. Obama hangs in there "until order can be restored" -- which will be never.
It gets so bad here that even Kim Jung Un mists over and begins sending us food aid from North Korea -- consisting of dried grass, tree bark, and half-frozen dog meat.
"Total nationalization of all police forces and every penny from our pension and deferred comp will be confiscated to fund the welfare state."
Feds are getting post-Ferguson hinky, squeamish about what PDs can and cannot get from law enforcement grants. Obama EO -- really! -- about "excessive militarization of the police" in this age of terror says no tracked vehicles, nothing over .30 cal., and actually to the point of "no digital camo pattern clothing." (BLM can still wear "KILL THE POLICE" shirts," though.)
Riot sticks -- over 24" -- and helmets and shields have become "controlled substances" now. Any dept. needs 'em, just get a pair and order on the free market and a drone'll bring 'em tout suite. Plus you'll avoid hell's own amount of "civil rights training" and "reports to the community" -- I swear, 18 tons of paper. Details here --
http://www.policeone.com/jag/articles/210318006-What-you-need-to-know-about-Executive-Order-13688/
There's more, but I got to stop here for length.
God help us all.
(OT) idiots leave keys in cars wonder why they were stolen:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/08/25/elmhurst-police-thieves-stealing-high-end-cars-with-keys-inside/
Go rich suburban idiots more like this!
don't feel bad cheating lieutenants!!
captain marty ryczek doesn't know a damn thing about police work, so he gets to pretend he knows technical issues related to the dept.
another stupid merit asshat
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Heard 010 has the same problem. CHAMBERS
The Genesis for Daley pulling down the Arthur Andersen tests were the LIeutenant's results in 1995. Out of the first 54 in the class there were only 2 minorities ( not counting women). After a few days, in marched 13 or so new Merit Promotees. The same thing happened in 1988 when they had a huge Sergeant's class- about 250. Not enough of a certain persuasion, and you guessed it , in marched members of that persuasion. The 88 Sergeant's test took points away if you were a male and took more points away if you were white. The beginning of the end for any real command leadership. I would imagine now there are exempts who have a hard time reading and writing. Merit Promotions destroyed this department and now this Lightfoot is talking about testing, promotions, etc. - good luck with that.
old retired guy
This is heartwarming SCC.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160825/englewood/rapper-king-yella-shot-while-filming-music-video-chicago-video
The Patrolmens' Benevolent Association (PBA) of the NYPD has named Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke as their "Man of the Year".
(Ot) instead of trooper shoots 2 on chiraq south side should read 2 savage animals neutralized:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-2-shot-by-illinois-state-police-on-south-side-20160825-story.html
State police racking up shooting in chiraq May God bless police everywhere!
To the person who thinks that patrol is the backbone of the department, I think they meant "bathroom".
"In North East Wisconsin me and my John Deere mowed the grass today. My sons helped build a new fire pit for fall. Had WCUB AM radio 950 out of Two Rivers on. Classic Country. Relocate and enjoy life again."
8/25/2016 12:19:00 AM
"People say I'm no good, and crazy as a loon..."
Stick with it, brother.
How about one merit promotion per career.
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(8/25/2016 09:49:00 AM)
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! The department is looking for volunteers to work their day off coming up.... hopefully, must not be enough people signed up for VRI......
Don't cave in now......
OT --
Subj. -- Content Aggregation
To -- WBBM Radio
Never heard a single story derived by you guys from the Brits' dailymail.co.uk site until, some time ago, I discovered their overall better coverage of significant US events. Happens in your town here, go to England to find the story -- and post it on local major outlet like SCC so that all may learn.
Now -- just in the last month or so -- as I sit draggin the Web for info, I listen to stories on your station that I flick-read on the Mail, and maybe posted and commented on, 36 hours prior.
I am humbly grateful to have assisted your operatives into a new realm that, it seems, they never would have found for themselves otherwise. Now they, too, are scouring it daily. Glad to help out.
Lesson for all -- proof positive of the unprecedented influence that one honest, well-meaning person can exert -- even unintentionally -- upon that "lever that will move the world."
"I wish...that I could teach...the world to sing...in perfect harmonee-ee."
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Why do you still care? Honestly. Give them what they want. I don't stop people anymore. I just wave and smile. Let them have it all.
Has she met Wheezy, aka Lie-Tenant Fenner, ?
Their so stupid they couldn't even answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look some what legit even then it would still be fishy.
8/25/2016 04:50:00 PM
That's because they didn't trust the other cheaters to do the same!
The DOJ is a joke to wtf are they doing
Mayor must have bought them off to they sit
Back and do shit about the corruption going on right in front of them
In fucking real
Anonymous said...
Hey isnt the reason why we have so many terrible supervisors that are WAY over their head doing the job is because they were promoted because of what they LOOK LIKE....aka MERIT......Affirmative action
8/25/2016 11:14:00 AM
many of the worst merit promotions that I have seen since its inception have been white men and women. I have seen at least three attorneys who were made merit. The process was originally passed off by Ald. Beavers as a way to promote really good police officers who cannot write exams. How in the hell did lawyers get into that group? The entire process is flawed. I have seen sergeants who retired or who were on a leave of absence come back to the job to make merit lieutenant. Bad merit picks go across race.
I for one feel the city does need to make more SGT! If you have one Sgt, for every 10-12 people that is too many it should be 1 to 8 or 1 to 6. Not that cops are bad or unable to there jobs, however a good sgt is there to ensure the job is done correctly and when a issue does arise, it can be delt with immediately. Marco manager is not the answer either, it should be more of a working partnership where the officer can feel confident that his supervisor has his back and will throw him or her under the bus.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Their so stupid they couldn't even answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look some what legit even then it would still be fishy.
8/25/2016 04:50:00 PM
Could have given them the merit bump and we wouldn't be having a conversation about it.
"Just wait till Obama's third term. Total nationalization of all police forces and every penny from out pension and defered comp will be confiscated to fund the welfare state. If you think this won't happen you are just a naive bumpkin.
8/25/2016 05:23:00 PM"
Yeah I read that on Breitbart too
It really boils down to what previous experience you've had with Miss Lightfoot to be able to judge her honestly. When she was a federal prosecutor she supported the police more than most in her profession but unfortunately over time politics and city hall corruption has entered her career path. If she runs for any office she certainly will have my vote despite what rhetoric she spews to the media.
Looks like IPRA is looking to fire any cop that fired at a car even if nobody was hit. In the meantime the police board is firing officers on the thinnest of evidence. Keep working boys and girls. Keep working.
Anonymous said...
Their so stupid they couldn't even answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look some what legit even then it would still be fishy.
8/25/2016 04:50:00 PM
That's because they didn't trust the other cheaters to do the same!
8/26/2016 04:48:00 AM
NYAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Didn't spit our coffee but good Gawd you
made it taste so much better with this funny!
What does Lightfoot know about anything related to police work? When is the last time anyone on that board risked their lives for others? What training did anyone on that Police board have? Besides Clot.
A police board should be made up of present and former Officers of the law. Someone who has been trained, have put their lives on the line and knows about police work and how difficult it is.
A Criminal has a jury of his peers, why can't police officers.
you shouldnt be promoted on your text scores or merit only. sick of all these non working police officers being promoted.
half the merit sarges are afraid to leave the station , don't want to approve reports
internal legitimacy and external legitimacy, Is exactly what? Instead of throwing out a bunch of words , where is your idea on how to test for this exactly? I passed the test, I use common sense and came to this job with more management experience than most gold stars but never kissed enough ass to be double, triple or even one time merit promoted so thats what I think of your words. This department is bs from the top on down with promoting.
But Lightfool is calling for revision to the FOP contract provisions, making it easier for her civil rights lawyer friends to cash in by suing the police.
While the SHs on the street are afforded every conceivable due process right, her and those in the media like Carol Marin, do not feel that the Constitution of the United States should apply to police officers.
Many of the protections in the contract are inclusions of other statutes. Like the Illinois Police Officers Bill of Rights. Which are derived from the Constitution, Federal and State labor law and SCOTUS decisions.
Any effort to diminish these rights one iota must be resisted totally.
First, the public will NOT like us more (or hate us less) if we give up some rights. They will see that as a retreat and they will be emboldened and will come back for more concessions.
Second, it could impact the working conditions of every LEO in the entire State. A Chicago retreat on officers' rights would be seen as an example and excuse to reduce the rights of every police officer in the State.
Third, they are RIGHTS. They are not negotiable commodities.
Anonymous said...
It really boils down to what previous experience you've had with Miss Lightfoot to be able to judge her honestly. When she was a federal prosecutor she supported the police more than most in her profession but unfortunately over time politics and city hall corruption has entered her career path. If she runs for any office she certainly will have my vote despite what rhetoric she spews to the media.
8/26/2016 09:40:00 AM
So,let me get this straight.
She wants to revise OUR labor contract to eliminate OUR due process protections.
And you still want to vote for her?
You are truly an idiot.
Anonymous said...
It really boils down to what previous experience you've had with Miss Lightfoot to be able to judge her honestly. When she was a federal prosecutor she supported the police more than most in her profession but unfortunately over time politics and city hall corruption has entered her career path. If she runs for any office she certainly will have my vote despite what rhetoric she spews to the media.
8/26/2016 09:40:00 AM
Ask Miss Lightfoot her opinion on marijuana.
Anonymous said...
you shouldnt be promoted on your text scores or merit only. sick of all these non working police officers being promoted.
8/26/2016 03:02:00 PM
as someone who has been around a long time and who had three promotions before retirement, I agree with you. But, the question is? How in the hell do you do this? Politics are supreme in this town, racial politics are even greater, interference in the department by every entity that is able to contribute to democratic coffers is and always has been great. They can't devise a personal rating system that is not corrupt . The courts want minority representation. I don't think anyone has the answers.There is one promotion and selection system that was devised for the Federal government and used during WWII to select secret agents and has been upheld by the federal courts as non-discriminatory but Chicago won't use it as it will not produce the racial numbers that it wants and it will not allow for political interference.
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